Robbinston man jailed after ramming officer’s Jeep 3 times

poor guy was just to tired.

to bad he is really a nice man....him and his wife just broke up, some people when they drink just is not with it and Don just was not....it really is to bad glad he did not hurt anyone,,,,

thats a good reason for acting like an idiot....marriage breakup....

And the moral to this story: Buckle up and watch out for that black ice.

People just don't get it do they??? With thousands of fatalities every year by drunk drivers, you'd think it would dawn on them NOT TO DRINK AND DRIVE!!! There's just no excuse for what happened here and I don't care how sad he is... if he wants to drown his sorrows with alcohol, take it home and stay home. Not only does he not have a marriage... he now will have to pay fines, attorney fees, lose his license for a period of time, spend a little time in jail, pay higher insurance and find someone to drive him to and from work and every other place he needs to go for the next few months. I say up the fines, make it a mandatory 2 year license suspension and mandatory driving school.

Drunk drivers are selfish idiots!

He just wants to thank God he didn't kill anyone. He had to have been VERY drunk to not realize he impaled a vehicle 3 times and sent it to the top of a snow bank.

Why does it have to be BLACK ice??? LOL!!!!!

Only and idiot would drink and drive and only a complete fool would drink and drive in Calais. The summer I moved to Calais, my brother used to come to Calais to vist me from Lubec. He knew he could always crash at my apartment but he'd get wasted and insist on going back home to Lubec. The Sherrifs would nab him every time he attempted it and I didnt have an ounce of sympathy for him. Cabs are cheap. LMAO, I guess this guy really really wanted to get home. Hes lucky he isnt dead and thank god no one else was hurt.

But, I wonder if they'd put this much effort in had it been a civilians jeep. hmmmm

And this guy drives school buses. Nice.

say it aint so

JimmyB not after he goes to court..no more driveing....

Yeah if it was WHITE ICE it would be a different story Stevey.

You can't call it black ice. That's stereo typing. Call it ice.

Drinking and Driving kills....thankfully he didn't kill anyone...and depression can lead to someone acting in a way and doing things they never normally would such as drinking and driving but it does not minimize what the punishment should be. I feel bad for his life if he is in disarray but he could have been dead or killed an innocent life. Justice should be swift and fit the crime. Good luck to him and he should be thankful he wont spend years in Jail..just a few months...we all make mistakes....hopefully he learns from this and goes on with a productive life and considers this when behind him a second chance because he could have been dead or in prison for murder/manslaughter

If so Jezebel, he's lost his ever loving mind.

Scollins327

very nice said...

Here we go again. Another jealous insecure Maine redneck acting like an idiot because of a woman. Not only that, he put everyone's lives at risk because of what????? one woman.... Good excuse to almost kill someone. I guess she was the only woman in Maine. This is sad.

Truthseeker, It says in the article that the three hits were not intentional he had trouble getting past the jeep. What kind of motivation are you looking for?

way to go bobby..didnt know you were in calais now.

No motivation whatsoever. From my observation. the article states - quoting Officer Bob Fitzsimmons " "The three hits apparently were not intentional" Laviolet was just having trouble getting past the Jeep"

- Not that I am condoning the actions of LaViolet whatsoever - but has anyone asked about the actions, or words spoken prior to the man leaving the bar - If there was a police office there - Why was the man NOT STOPPED from driving? Where was the Jeep parked, was it obstructing traffic flow, was he ( Claroni ) trying to stop LaViolet? The article does not make this clear.

With all of the negativty surrounding Claroni and his alleged on-goings in the community - it truly makes me wonder about the way that justice and the safety of the people of Calais is being looked after.

Well atleast the guy is okay. Things could have came out a lot worst.

Mr. LaViolet was wrong, he chose to drink excessively and drive. I'm sorry he's had some personal troubles but stop making excuses for him.

Doesn't matter whose vehicle he hit - he's wrong. If someone has an issue with Mr. Claroni, use the chain of command and take it up with proper authroities.

I say "kudos" to Bob Fitzsimmons, Greg Sawyer and Jason Fowler for getting their man. He was wrong.

This has NOTHING to do with Claroni! Who cares what vehicle he hit??? It could have been anyone's! Ramming it over and over again, then driving 10 miles on 3 tires, then flipping his truck. A drunk driver who is lucky he didn't get killed or kill anyone else. THAT is what this is about.

On 3/3/09 at 10:27 AM, stcroixfan wrote:

"Doesn't matter whose vehicle he hit - he's wrong. If someone has an issue with Mr. Claroni, use the chain of command and take it up with proper authroities"

Agreed!!!!

- However is this the same chain of command that refuses and neglects to address ongoing issues of known aggravated behaivor of the local police force?

How does a double tragic murder and a drunk driver who could have killed someone turn into a Dave Claroni bashing session? It doesn't make sense and is very unfortunate.

stcroixfan wrote:I say "kudos" to Bob Fitzsimmons, Greg Sawyer and Jason Fowler for getting their man.

Of course they got their man he crashed. LOL

Barney Fife always got his man too.

Hmmmmmm.... Doesn't it seem like this guy is always at the center of the action, no matter what the situation???

It's just interesting how.. on any given night - with dozens of vehicles on little Main Street, Calais - that Claroni's vehicle is the one to be "BASHED"

Drunk Driving is deploreable - Murder is atrocious..albeit the point of the articles... THERE IS A DEEPER MESSAGE HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. I read this time and time again about the Calais police department.

WHY WAS THE DRUNK MAN(drunk man) NOT STOPPED BY obviously present sober people and multiple law officals in the area, and where does the liability of the alcohol serving bar fit in here?? Something isn't right with this situation. It's great that the media can capitolize on the situation - and print it in the paper - but the story makes me wonder. Jeep parked wrong place, wrong time - OR....... is there more to the story??

Thank God nobody was killed or seriously injured.

And, to back up a notch; he might be a bus driver, but he was on his own time, not school time.

Sounds like Effiee likes to ride on swerving school buses. Load Em Up. We can bus ova pick up Stevey and then off to the Calais PD to watch the lynching of that Claroni. HA

Eyewitnesses at the bar that evening say Claroni was in the bar - "AGAIN I ASK "- WHY WAS THIS MAN NOT STOPPED from leaving the bar in the condition the jeapordized the entire community?

Where was the S.W.A.T. team / Sheriff's Dept { getting doughnuts}/State police/ constables and border patrol !

How can a state with more cops per capita than any state in the union expect 1 upstanding officer of impeccable integrity to handle an instance of this magnitude ?

Public hanging and a parade for the cop.

Pick me up on your way

Not illegal to drink at a bar. Did he drive?

77 send me a check u idiot....

Wow. Sounds like the "you-know-what" is about to hit the fan.

Bumpinroad

Today is the 3th of the month..so have you cashed your state check yet????? because I know I work for my money and I do not get any state money I guess U are right I am a idiot because I do not lie back and get free state money I have to work to get what I want!!!!! 0-}

Bumpinraod where are you from????

Haha, Cop takes a rammin. Woulda paid money to see this. Too bad the chase wasnt video taped

"and only a complete fool would drink and drive in Calais"

Or a Calais cop or some member of his family.

Everyone else does get caught (oh except senior town officials too).

The above are facts and if you live in Washington County there is no one you can report these facts to who will do anything about them. The County cops drink with the City Cops and they all drink with the State cops when they are not at a Party with the DA.

EyeSeeYou, I think it would be in your best interest to not comment further about your case. Police read these comments and everyone knows how things "disappear". Just a word of caution on your behalf.

"Police read these comments and everyone knows how things "disappear"

Calais Police Tamper with evidence?

Say it aint so!

Showmn77; I understand that you're aggravated about people getting state checks, but truly, there are some people who genuinely need them and it's unfair to group people into one category. I pay taxes too... and yes, I know that some people abuse the system profusely, but let's be nice to those who don't.

Sorry amazed

It doesn't affect me, but there are people who are on a fixed income and depend on state help for medications, etc... We just need to be mindful of them.

Mr Claroni was in the bar the same time that Donny was... and he was drinking...and the Calais PD took Claroni home that night.. that was nice of them..

Really Amazed

I am sorry for saying that about the state...

Jen42073 he's a grown man for God's sakes and whether he's Jesus or scum of the earth doesn't excuse what he did.! The law has been the same since before he was born and there's absolutely NO EXCUSE in the world for driving drunk. We all go through difficult times but we don't go out and get into a vehicle after we've drunk ourselves into oblivion and expect our friends to tell us we can't drive. He should know that after 2 drinks... all bets for driving are off. It's not everyone else s job to take care of him. I'm glad he didn't get hurt, but I'm even happier he didn't injure or kill anyone else. As far as what he has to deal with now... he brought it all on himself.

I know Showm77 and thank you for apologizing you appear to be genuine.

I haven't had time to read all the comments out there but alot of bashing of claroni.He had nothing to do with this situation.

I talked with him yesterday and apologized.Yes, I caused this situation and now I have to deal with the consequenses.

But first I would to thank the girl who was there on the scene holding my hand while i was knocked out.I haven't met her yet but thank you.

Also thank you to the police officers and the ambulance service and all the first responders.I would also like to thank the Calais Hospital for treating me for the injuries i had.I have never been in a situation like this before and i hope to never again.Some of the things said was there was a chase. there was no chase, the police were chasing rubber marks all the way to robbinston.

But when i was told about what the truck looked like i couldn't believe it until i saw for myself.This whole thing is a mess and i am sorry for what has transpired and amd glad nobody got hurt and its amazing i am still alive.

people make mistakes in life,and yes the divorce has taken a toll on me that i could never imagined.But as i sit here i have to make this messy situation into a positive one and use it as a learning tool.Everything happens for a reason and people make mistakes but it is what we do with those mistakes that can either break us down or make us stand up.So all you bashers out there, i can understand where you are coming from to an extent,but name calling and picking on claroni will not change anything,it only hurts feelings.and i am very fortunate to be sitting here alive and breathing right now.

This was my fault and i will accept whatever happens out of this.. Donald p. LaViolet

Ok, I know that of course everyone has an opinion, but talking about this person's personal life and what he is going thru is not anyone's business. You dont' know what a person's state of mind is and what they go through because you are not them. Stop judging. Yes it was not the right thing to do by driving drunk, and leave it at that. So to all of you that have multiple comments on here or are bringing up personal infomation about this person...get a life of your own, stop focusing on someone else's and apparently you don't work because you cannot stay offline.

Donald - I left the previous comment before I read yours...good entry and keep your chin up..

Donald - I left the previous comment before I read yours...good entry and keep your chin up..

Donald.....very nice keep your chin up.

thank you,i will be fine.i have my 3 and 9 year old to live for.and thankfully they are not going to daddy's funeral today...

Donald, I hope you mean what you said, that you will use this as a learning experience. I hope you will take care of your children. That you will never drink and drive again. You say you have kids, well they need you, and as a parent you need to live for them, not yourself. Be a role model, don't put yourself or others in danger. Kids come first. You are lucky. Hopefully you will take this chance you have been given and start to live right. Live with all of the choices you have made for yourself from the past few months, and live your life in a manner that will keep your kids proud of you.

Donald. lets go drinking. I'LL DRIVE! Gotta pick up Stevey and Alley. Is Vinnys still open at the end of Rt9?

So seasons, I guess you work in front of computer or YOU are one of the unemployed that can't stay offline either huh? This is a PUBLIC website that reports news. You don't want to be publicly bashed you make better decisions that don't get broadcast over the internet.

I'm impressed Donald, because most people wouldn't have the guts to come on here and explain the facts and take responsibility for what they have done. So I certainly give you credit for that. If you black out when you drink and can't remember what happened, you've got an alcohol problem... so get a grip on it before it bites you again. You deserve to have a good life and so do your children and only you can make that happen. Good luck to you.

hey amazed/thank you.

when you stare death in the eyes and live to tell theres more i will accomplish.

it would be so easy to put a bullet in my head but thats too easy.

Bumpinraod

Have a nice day!!

For the longest time I have been wondering why most of the insults on these pages are about welfare and who is or isn't receiving government assistance.

I must say I have not found on the entire internet a similar news site that displays so much dumb mudslinging and poor grammar.

You should've gone ahead and at least tried to graduate high school, people!

ISeeYou, read what Donald LaViolet himself wrote at 12:59 p.m.

thats one thing/i will not hide and i signed my letter myself/unlike some of the other people doing the insults.

if i had of died there wouldnt have been 10 comments.

No need to utilize a bullet Donald... your problem is actually one that can be turned around and from your remarks, I know you're going to do just that. Just take the punishment like a man and put your best foot forward. Counseling is available to you and a good counselor can help out a great deal. We all have rough patches in life... but you just have to work through them. ^5 buddy and again... good luck to you and your family.

lol Donald... if you'd have died... trust me... they still would have commented.

11baxter, what on earth does "if i had of died there wouldnt have been 10 comments" mean?

Your English teacher is probably in jail by now.

I too respect you for your ability to come on here and take responsibility. To those who said Donald is a good man this proves it! My heart is out for you and your family and hope you recover from this in a very positive way!

To everyone else educate yourself for your own good and take it from this man take ownership!!

Eyeseeyou Will continue to watch out for the rights of the people!!

nascarfan01 "he doesn't help with his kids", you don't even have to like the guy, but that is a complete lie. Anyone that knows anything about this situation knows that he absolutely adores his kids and I am the first to say that I have seen people do even more stupid things and still turn their entire lives around, just by eliminating the dysfunctional relationship and moving ahead. Everyone makes mistakes, some are just more obvious then others lol. Clearly everyone was going to know about this one. I would suggest checking yourselves before you start judging. He is not a pill head, he has always been a very responsible bus driver, and since he has lived here, he has never had any problem with obeying the law. Divorce really does do crazy things to people, as do dysfunctional relationships.

oh come on 77...I got nothing better to do except go check my mailbox ....who knows there might be a check...notice I didn't call you idiot this time....

This thread is getting bigger and bigger.

On 3/3/09 at 01:44 PM, kylie00 wrote:

"And it is easy to be bashing a police officer on the internet and hide be hind a screen name. All you bashers why don`t you come forward and id your selves"

kylie00 - Wrap your mind around this.... Freedom of speech doesn't require one to ID themselves... and if one or many does ID themselves... what would the point of that mean in a community that hides unspoken truths from the community about the actions of its law enforcement?

OO...be careful who you call and idiot, some people are sensitive you know...

Kylie00 ~ Read the posts that Donald LaViolet write from 12:59 on down. I'm not happy the man did what he did either, but at least he's manning up and admitting everything he did.

kylie00 wrote "And it is easy to be bashing a police officer on the internet and hide be hind a screen name. All you bashers why don`t you come forward and id your selves."

Like you? You were born kylie00? Maybe not, but it does seem you were born a rock throwing busybody. :-D

lol Markko

People always apologize after the fact, when they are caught they are always sorry. Doesn't make up for anything.

I'd like to add... for those who cannot spell... after you type your message... all words that have incorrect spellings will be underlined in red, so just right click on them and select the correct spelling from the list. I still believe that even though you can't spell, your opinions are still a valued part of the BDN comments.

If not the grammar and spelling police will be here to arrest you, probe you and anything else they desire.

This drunk driver maybe sorry now but sorry wouldn`t be cutting it if he had take the life of one of my loved ones.

I would say some times there has been a friend or a family member that we know has gotten in a car and drove.it is not right but it has been done...maybe some day people will learn that it does KILL our love ones...but in this world there there is nothing perfect...

Donald, do you even remember leaving the bar?

No, if Donald was angry he would have been in jail for assault instead of OUI. Believe me.

I wonder how many more times Truthseeker will post on here before I black out?

This cdounty does have a reputation of drunk driving .

Ive been pulled over late at night (sober as I don`t drink) and the trooper has asked for my papers and

when asked why I was being pulled over he informed me one of 2 plate lights were out. but it was still illuminated enough not to get a ticket.

After he detemined I could walk to the back of my truck, he asked if he could search my truck for open containers of alcohol. I had no problem letting his look. He had informed be that he was only asking cause mainers are known to ride around with a beer between their legs. Also he hjas caught several just my defective light. At least they are out there looking for these people who have no reguards for other human life. Also they should bring back road blocks to check for drunks. 5 minute delay in my life may save some innocent presons life

kylie00 - 5 mins of spell check will save me from trying to figure out WTF you just said.

don`t have spell check

just looked up wtf and can`t find it

Usually I put the cap back on it and shove it in the center console.

IDK MY BFF KYLIE

You all need to go under the "News" tab up above and then click on "Greater Bangor" See the article about "Court Modifies Rules On Lawyer Conduct". I want to see what you all have to say about that.....

LOL Kylie00 you are kidding about not knowing what WTF stands for, right?

Nascarfan?

Does being "angry" make one eligible to be jailed for "assault" in Calais, ME - what an interesting and highly enlightening statement?

My understanding of the very definition of assault in the United States is that a crime of VIOLENCE is being committed against someone.

Surely being angry or upset doesn't qualify as justification to be jailed for assault

Stevey, make life easy. Take the windshield washer canister out replace it with another beverage holding canister. Hook a fresh line to the pump run it forward near the radio, (leave some slack so you don't have to bend to put the hose in your mouth) and presto, you got a thrist dispenser.

MESAVALLEY, we did that with a dodge dart back in the day.

I don't care to hide, I know my rights and also my civil liberties!! I have opened the door on with report numbers and been very open. If you decide to stay uneducated fine it is not my place to educate you anyway. I just know when I go to Maine all I see is a depressed people afraid to stand up for their rights and after educating myself! I can see why. If you ask what is your probable cause you could get beat up. I am also aware of a Maine law that states you can use none deadly force to stop an officer from becoming abusive. I also have to say this I am a straight “A” student and in government, you know the class that teaches you about how our government works. You know like the main bodies of government. As in the Justus system (its one of them lol) how that works or should work! That means I have an “A” in it too! That means I got it right in class so I can apply it right in life. Also for those who are not aware that was not in high school, but in college some of know there is a school after eight grade and few know the is another one after that, this is because we go there!! But not many of us are on what is called the President’s list! That is the list above the Dean’s list!! Some can’t even make it to that one. In other words when you are the top, not just in your class but your college you have that honor bestowed on you and get your name of the list!! So if you really want to know my real name, start looking on those list and then look for the one that is on it every semester!!!!!! That name is me!!! Now want to debate education? Please don’t I do not like to battle unarmed people!

This is also why I do not pick at typos or mistake on spellings I look past that to you point!

You are right EyeSeeYou... we should all be well versed in our rights. Those that are not will rely on attorneys to help them get through the messes they find themselves in.

kylie00

Your kidding you gave up your rights just like that? Can I search your car? yes of course and as soon as you are done there follow me to my house and I will even give you the right to search all the houses around me. The correct answer is Sorry officer I am late to where I am going maybe some other time!! then your rights are protected and so ARE MINE!!!!!!

I don't know but I can't wait to find out.

I knew WTF but the rest I didn't know. They had a road block on RT 9 by the old rest stop. You know the one with the out house. Luckily they were just doing safety checks, It was almost dark and snowing. I didn't even have an inspection sticker and he didn't notice.

Amazed - That is if "those" aren't railroaded into pleaing guilty or believe they have no other choice because of ill managed city officials!! This doesn't even begin to mention where the resources come from for "those" to be able to use an attorney.

.... and Kylie..LOL

IDK BFF

stands for I don't know, Best friend Forever!

If you don`t have anything to hide, why should you be afraid of an officer if the law looking inside your vehicle?

If you say no then he can hold you there under the assumption you have something and wait for a warrant.the correct answer, if you aren`t hiding anything, is Yes officer knock yourself out. And I`m out of there in 2 minutes and we are both happy

EyeSeeYou and TruthSeeker01... I am truly curious to find out what you think about the article about "Court Modifies Rules On Lawyer Conduct. Click on the "News tab" above... then click on "Greater Bangor" and read the article. This article and my response will blow your minds....I'm sure.

I didn't know, my best first friend and I think you can figure out what the F is

Hey icu, I know alot of so-called "educated" people that don't have the common sense that God gave a 3-toed sloth. Being book smart can be taught, but using basic comon sense come from within youself and only you can control. Oh and justice is spelled just like it sounds I guess, huh?

I was just kidding about the looking up those group of letter

You won't find those in the dictionary Kylie00.

EyeSeeYou.... BFF means Best Friend Forever not Best First Friend.

To: Amazed

I read it and to be honest with you if the court system allows it then what really needs to be over hauled here. John Romi (not sure if his last name is spelled right) is one of the most forgetfull judges in Maine After advising the plaintiff in Hopkins vs Webber of hear say and "how it can even trip up a lawyer" Allowed it (read the transcrips) even after the plaintiff objected to it. He was not using it to judge the case but to allow the officer to show his state of mined??????? Please! hear say is hear say? I thought anyway because it does not give the opposing party a chance to question the person who said" xxxx" but it is ok if it is hearsay from a police officer. OOOOOOOOKAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY there is your probelm. Judge Romai please step down until you can conform to the ethics of being a judge (yes John not Sleeping during the hearing counts) He also stated in a (not that one) hearing he is unaware of rule 50 (a) (2) funny in another hearing he know what rule 50 (8) is. Rule 50 is not a outback, lost town, city ordinance, it is a FEDERAL RULE!! And he knows it and when he sits in the court room and claims he is not aware of it he is lying in court point blank! get him out put a real judge in and then you can have real lawyers and a real justus system until them you might pretent i guess This is why I say get educated Mainers before you have no rights!!! These kind of judges and police officers are counting on you not knowing your rights you see it makes it easier to violate them and you not know!! Just like duh kylee00 aaaah go ahead search me! did you know the only place an officer has a right to search you is in school and at an airport unless they have proable cause point blank!

Donald, Spoken like a man! You made a serious mistake and you will have many consequences to face from it but you sound like you are willing to face up to them and I wish you well. We all make mistakes, some of them serious, but I am glad to see you own up to it. As for all of those that are bashing both you and the Calais officer, they need to get a life! Not to reduce the seriousness of your actions but things happen and the results can be tragic but Monday morning second guessing and personal vindictiveness won't solve or help a thing! I wish you luck with your issues! I hope you don't make the same mistakes again!

"Take Dave out of the equation and who is at fault?"

Not a matter with me of who was at fault. Obvious the guy who drove drunk is responsible for his own actions.

Would be nice though if the cops and the people who pay them all had to live by the same rules.

Someone responded earlier that Dave got a ride home becuase of what happened to his Jeep.

I wonder what the plan for getting home was if his Jeep hadn't been run into.

Maybe you still live in Calais and can answer this one.

Ever seen a cop there in a cab?

Kylie00

Park you car accross my drive and when I want to get out see what happens Oh I won't use my truck I like it too much I will come get it with a 1941 farmall! By by car in the way!!

Ya jimmyB and comon is common for common??

He was going to use the two hand method to get home. One hand over one eye and the other on the steering wheel.

Would be kind of neat though to actually check the Cab companies there and see the real numbers.

Do they still have Cabs in Calais or has that business dried up and died as well?

JimmyB that was for your understanding just us but really once past the typos jimmyB can you understand the point or are just setting with a spell check hopping to find some fault in spelling because you don't know much past that?? Sorry Justus was an Archbishop of Canterbury, but I would have thought in your correction you might have pointed that out!!

Kylie00 wrote:

"If this Jeep had been owned by anyone else, would half the people been finding fault with anyone but the drunk driver? Take Dave out of the equation and who is at fault?"

No one seems to be finding fault with anyone but the drunk driver for the incident of drunk driving.

BUT what you are not seeing is WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT THE SCENE OF THE INITIAL INCIDENT with Claroni, who is part of the "serve and protect team” of our community who witnessed the driver leaving this public establishment on this night.

Don't you understand that he, as a law officer could easily have stopped him as he was leaving the establishment - had there EVEN BEEN SUSPICION of intoxication? Officer Claroni just like any other officer or citizen for that matter - could have handled the matter in the most professional way by simply diffusing the situation. With all of the wit and charm the Calais PD possesses, one would think that his first and foremost duty is to be sure the community is safe at this hour with our most precious resources out on the road.

I thought Calais was short on cab companies. I was thinking I should open one. Sell beer out of the cab to make extra money.

If this police officer had detained a person while he was off duty and drinking himself, people would be accusing him of abuse.

Is he suppose to go outside every time a person leaves and make sure he isn`t driving. Why doesn`t the owner hire somebody to call the cops every time a patron leaves. If he did that, he would be out of business.

And why can`t a police officer go out and socialize with the public when he is off duty?

Kylie001 - Who stated that a police officer is not entitled to go out and socialize?

It's just awfully coincidental - that as a supposed "role model" in the community that there wasn't a simple act of random kindness, common sense, a keen awareness TO PROTECT while witnessing someone so intoxicated getting into a vehicle.

No, Not every establishment can control what one person does or how one person behaves - What this drunk driver did is not excusable - that isn't even a question, by his own admittance ... What is though....Standing up for someone on the local police force who could have diffused a potentially fatal act in the community.

How many times does any officer fail to act in a proper professional manner in dealing with similar scenarios in little Calais on or off duty - or do we just accept lackluster performances from our hard earned tax paying dollars by continuing to employ questionable law officials behavior.

Our tax dollars are being misappropriated and failure to see this clearly only adds to the injustice of the entire situation.

Leave Stevey Alone. Is there not enough HATE in this world?

Although in my book..Same thing..Just pointing that out..

And I guess after reading it I failed to see the "alcohol must have been a factor"....My apologies..

I think we have to wait for a jury to deside this case. I have no faith in cops, judges or the system at all. but I do have faith in 12 people who are his peers. sometimes we rail at them for a finding we don't like but they here the facts and we only here some of them. If he hit a bad cops jeep 3 times I only wish the cop was in it . if he was a good cop and was in it he should have shot back.

I am truely trying not to laugh but find it impossible not to... It is a serious matter. but... of all the vehicles to ram into 3 times yet! a vehicle that belongs to a Police Officer.

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Why people get behind the wheel drunk nowadays completely stupifies me... I am glad he didn't run anyone over or injure anyone.

Mesa and Stevey, Vinny isnt open anymore...aint that a crying shame. Good times...good times...

The article fails to mention that he drives a school bus for a living!!!

Just so you all know... Mr. LaViolet was in here at 12:59 p.m. and responded to this article. I think you should read what he had to say.

AlleyCat69, your comment to Kylie00 was in no way was justified.

Ok then we will go to Dick Stacys.

KUDOS to LaViolet for his post. There are not many that would stand up and admit it. This has to be an embarrassing situation that is going to prove to be very costly.

I didn't see anywhere in the article that Dave was in the bar. Dave is a really big sports fan, could he have been with the team? But he is over 21, so I suppose if he wanted to go into the bar, it would be his right. And I don't think it would be his responsibility to babysit everyone in there just because he is a cop. While I do not socialize with Dave, I do know him.. If Dave knew who was writing this, he would be the first to say we haven't always seen eye to eye. But despite my disagreements, I believe he is a fair cop. And I believe he is decent human being. Others can disagree, it isn't going to change my opinion.

As far as drinking and driving goes, we all know it is wrong. I made bad decisions on more than one occasion in my younger years. I thank God that I never hurt anyone or killed anyone. Having had made those bad decisions, I am not going to judge anyone else.

As far a the taxi situation in Calais at time of the morning, it is not always something you can count on. Just last week, I had my son in the ER. A friend had taken us there about 9:30PM and we were there until 1:30. The hospital called for a cab and after a half hour, they called the Calais PD and explained they had a sick kid with no way home. The officer showed up and he helped my son into the car and took us home and made sure we were safely in the house.

I've never tried it here in Maine, but I'd bet if someone could not get a cab and called the Calais PD, they would work something out. It might involve waiting in the station, which is what I had to do in Mass., but it would be better than driving drunk.

"Fitzsimmons said alcohol appeared to be a factor in the accident." HOW'D WE GET PILLS MIXED IN HERE?????

He took an advil a hour before.

ALLEYCAT69, Please have some respect for the rest of those in this forum. That kind of language is uncalled for IN ANY SITUATION``

SteveyDee, Advil doesn't count.

I was rather impressed with Mr. LaViolet's willingness to come here and admit his guilt on a public forum and take full responsibility for what he's done.

I stand firm on my belief that he needs to pay the consequences for his actions and he knows exactly how his peers here feel about the situation.

Huh? whos swearin, lol.

newportes...It makes it harder to defend ones civil rights when the police corruption carries up to the level of court Attorney General US Attorneys The Press ect...

In response to kylie00....Don't you have anything better to focus on than running your disgusting mouth on how you think other people's lives are and commenting about people that YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW?? To me and others it just proves how disrespectful and ignorant you are and you are totally bringing the situation that happened to another level that has nothing to do with what happened. I am quite sure you are not perfect and if you think you are, i can put you right in your place if you'd like. Take your ARROGANT AGRIEVATING BALL BUSTING attitude and disgusting comments somewhere else. For someone who is "older than the drunk" why don't you act your age you immature loser.

Ok so after reading all these comments I can only conclude that we did not have an ice pellet storm yesterday, they were little rocks of crack that all of you went out, collected, and smoked while conversing in this forum.

In response to "seasons", you might need to have a drink yourself and relax. Can you say "anger management"?

man gets seperated from family, gets drunk, does extensive property damage and drives like an idiot and wrecks.

Did I miss something. Oh ya he lost his meal ticket.

And yes I do know Donnie, and he is an arrogant ball buster and town gossip queen

Thought he was always better then everyone else

just glad he isn`t transporting kids anymore in the school bus

I personally know Donnie and David. I highly doubt that anything other than what was reported happened here. We are all free to express our opinions but cutting down people's character should be beneath you all. Its childish and very high school. To assume that what we all do in our personal lives proves the character of person we are is not always an accurate assumption. We have all made mistakes and we have all had experiences with people that were either good or bad ones. That is all how we learn by trial and error, no one is perfect. No police officer or any other person of authority is perfect, one thing I do know is David's work ethic is very good if not admirable. I am praying for Donnie and for his kids. Most times than not its the kids that get effected more than most.

Sounds like Kylie may need some anger management. Sounds like Donnie may of pissed in her Wheaties at one time.

I have witnessed loads of people leaving the bars wasted during the years when i used to frequent them, walk past the officers who gather outside when the bars close to watch..er i mean....try to prevent fights. From there they flip a coin to see who gets stuck driving, and off they go. Many of them never get caught, and return the following weekend to do it again.

This happens all the time.

Yes, lets applaud the officers who valiantly nailed this guy......in Robbinston....after he managed to drive from calais on a rim....and flip his vehicle.

lol yep, they were on the ball, no doubt about that.

I mean, its not like he left the bar when it closed and there were tons of people around right? lol

Oh yeah, and mainers don't often drive around with a beer between our legs....we have cupholders now thank you very much :)

i cant believe there are so many comments on a drunken idiot who rolled his vehicle and got busted.

Of course they will make an even bigger deal of this because he pwned the jeep (who belongs to a man with severe "little man" syndrome)

meh

GetItDone knows of a place where crack rocks fall from the sky. Pls Give Stevey your address. Can you get a bus in your driveway. That's How We Roll.

I like crack, not the kind you smoke though.

Oh That Crack Will Smoke Too Stevey, You Just Gotta Try harder:)~

I got to get a word in edge wise here...

My husband was a cop for 28 years, if someone came around the corner and hit his car, whether being his cruiser or home car, That man would have been pulled out of his vehicle, keys in my husbands pocket, and would have been in cuffs before the cops arrived to take his statement.. EVEN IF my husband wasn't a cop, he still would have grabbed his keys out of the truck and made a citizens arrest. I just want to know where the cop was and why was he not out protecting his vehicle, what was left of it???

because calais is so boring and people love a show. any scene outside the bar is usually a good one...even to the CPD

sad but true. I know ppl who used to park their cars across from the portside so they could watch ole dolly clean house at the end of the night,

lol...I meant why...not what. I type to fast

Wow what a shame it is to make an effort to help educate the people of the state of Maine and then to came back and see that most of the post I placed in here have been removed. It is as if I had made an effort to educate a Saudi Woman to make a living on her own. This is the censorship I warned you about. Please except my apologies for trying to get the message out about education and to know your rights. As you can see my 1st Amendment right has been taken away as if I were wrong. Lol Must have been the spelling error or something because I really would hate to think this paper or a police department had something to do with taking them down. All I would like to see is more education in Maine about their rights and I guess the ones in control do not want that or they would have left them up to see and read. I will continue to keep an Eye on Maine and the ethics of the leaders in power to remove post to educate!!

Eyeseeyou God Bless and educate your way out of Maine!!

Kylie00

Wrong !! The officer would then have to take his reasonableness to probable cause and articulate suspicion of A CRIME that has been committed in the process of being committed or it about to be committed. On top of that (read the law!) the officer would need FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE and have to convince a judge (a real judge who is willing to put his butt on the line for it) to issue one. I also think under the law unless you are charged with something they will have to see you on another day!! I would say you might want to go to your superior officer and ask them or ask nascarfan01 he is an officer!!

You've mentioned your government classes, have you ever taken an english class? When someone is trying to pass themself off as educated they should take care to use proper grammar and punctuation.

Has anyone mentioned that there are FOUR bars along Main Street in Calais? Who's to say that Officer Claroni was at the same bar as the man who hit his Jeep? And even if they had crossed paths that night, how do any of you know that Officer Claroni watched this obviously intoxicated man leave the bar? Both men could have been in any of those four bars, three of them are almost right next to each other.

Fearless - Several eyewitnesses on that night saw him there.

... and I also find it interesting that there were over 40 comments deleted from this post between 4pm and 8 pm last evening.

Wow, this is all very interesting. There's enough slander in here to keep a civil attorney busy for years.

them school bus drivers really need to be checked out.they all drive like idiots. there is no excuse for this, as a driver of a school bus he should have known better than to drive drunk. the state should pull his bus license, permanently.

I can't help but offer to buy the paper products for your "going away party." I remember your sarcastic comment in Walmart when I was having problems.

Geez guys cant you all give it a rest. Donnie admitted what he did and is paying the price for it. As far as making a mountain out of a mole with David Claroni I think you guys are way off base and probably have no clue as to what kind of person he is. I went to school with David and I know that being a police officer is what he wanted to do and I dont think after all the years even before he was an officer that he put into the community he would ever take that lightly. So get over it! and to Donnie's family you know in two weeks this will be old news and they will be like flies on Sh&t to someone else. this is my real name and the parties involved know who I am. I dont have a reason to hide behind fake screennames. I am past that type of drama.

I'm surprised no one finds it odd that Calais cops are partying in Calais bars. I am in no way saying that they dont deserve a social life, but isnt this like crapping where you eat? I'm not that old, but you would NEVER have seen a cop at the Portside, Crackerbarrel, Townhouse, 35 North, Schooner, or the old Robins Nest....damn sure not the RN, lol.

It just wasnt done because it doesnt make for a good mix. Back then the cops went to Canada, Bangor or partying with there buds at home or camp. Calais is far too small a town to have the cops partying in the same place with the families of those they've locked up or even some of individuals they've locked up. I doubt dave would have trouble as he doesnt seem to abuse his power like so many other do but R. Wise for example most likely would. Imagine having a drunk cop mouth off to anyone you're with, or hit on your woman? Guess who'd go to jail? Over the years I've noticed them hangin around more and more...and it damn sure wasnt to keep control because you'd never see em where the real trouble usually was. I dont want to label any particular group from outside of Calais, but the locals know who I"m referring to.

I dunno, maybe its to check out the youngins...who knows.

But right or wrong not partying in the bars in the same town you patrol should be part of the deal. God knows it is in other places.

Effie, huh? You been hitten granpas apple jack again?

What police officers do when they are off duty is their business. To say to police officers or anyone else who is an authority figure that is off duty by the way that they are limited to what bar they go to is crazy. If they are over the legal drinking limit it and are off the clock its up to them what they choose to do in their free time. Keep in mind it wasnt the police officer drinking and driving and ramming into people's jeeps. As a matter of fact it is possible that officer Claroni was there being a sober driver for someone else. that wouldnt be out of his character. oh and by the way just because I no longer live in that area doesnt mean I have no clue what goes on there.

I made a typo, I meant to say legal drinking age not limit.

You missed the point Heather. And I think if you check with other officers there are several things your limited to when you sign on. I never said it was fair...only that it makes for a bad mix....because it does.

Well maybe it does but dont you think that if maybe Donnie had a sober driver that night, like David Claroni was for someone that night and that was the only reason he was there anyway. Do you beleive this mess would have even happened? I mean we can go around and around all night and type out the lists that officers are allowed to do and not to do all night long but that wont change the facts. We can go along with all the should have would have could haves all night. If a frog had wings you wouldnt whomp his A$$ either.

Whether it matters or not, and as much as I hate to agree with alleycat, I do. Its a bad mix all the way around. I was a bartender for yrs, from here to CT before going back to school so I've seen my share of bar room brawls. This isnt some city night club were talking about here. This is the backwoods of Maine where everyone knows everyone. I'm not a criminal, but I wouldnt be comfortable in that kind of enviorment either...as a patron or staff.

It 'is' too bad that no one offered to drive Donnie home though and from the sounds of it, he should've been shut off. The bars in Calais are dead this time of year so I find it hard to believe no one noticed. This is one of the biggest things that they teach you to spot when training to be a bartender. Any decent one would've shut him down or at least called him a cab. I realize that ppl are saying it isnt the bars responsibility to babysit, but that really isnt so. This isnt to say that Donnie isnt responsible for his actions either, so I hope no one take that the wrong way. There just seems to be a whole lot of factors here that attributed to this mess. But in the end Donnie will need to sort through it and own up and hopefully learn from this. I believe his letter in this thread is probably the most genuine thing I've ever read in the BDN.

Keep your chin up Donnie.

I'm on a blackberry so please excuse the typos. Sometimes the auto-correct has a mind of its own.

a persons cdl endorsement for school bus is automatically taken upon conviction

man gets seperated from family, gets drunk, does extensive property damage and drives like an idiot and wrecks.

Did I miss something. Oh ya he lost his meal ticket.

And yes I do know Donnie, and he is an arrogant ball buster and town gossip queen

Thought he was always better then everyone else

just glad he isn`t transporting kids anymore in the school bus

First of all I would like to commend Mr. Laviolet for taking responsiblity for his actions and his first hand account of the incident and I hope things work out well for you.

Now my thoughts on cops in a bar.

Im not passing judgement on Officer Claroni specifically for as far as I know he is a good officer, but I would have to agree with AlleyCat that a cop going to the bar in his own patrol area is a very bad idea. It took me a while to understand why my boyfriend (now husband) who is an officer absolutely refuses to go to any local bar. He doesn't really drink much anyway but I couldn't even get him to go have dinner at one or sober drive for me. He has always maintained that it is not smart for cops to go to bars in their hometowns or to do any type of "partying" in the public eye and I now understand why. Whether or not the cop does anything illegal the public perception is the problem just like in this instance. If a cop is seen drinking at the bar one night then arresting someone drinking at the bar the next its just asking for further problems. Just like the MDEA agent on the video a while back, their were tons of comments about whether he did anything illegal or not, and no one really knows but the public perception has tainted his reputation forever.

There are many comments on here about why Officer Claroni didn't prevent this guy from leaving drunk. Certainly he may of had no idea that the guy was driving off drunk but what IF he had. What should an officer do in that situation, this is the other main reason my husband will not go to a local bar. He couldn't stand to let a drunk leave driving, but also doesn't want to be put in that position. What about people with conditions not to drink, underage drinkers, probationers ect. Sure I dont think an off duty officer is required to act on such things but overlooking them one day than not the next is probably not good. A cop at a bar "raining on someone's parade" probably would not be very welcome for long so that has to make you wonder what types of things they must have to overlook if they frequent the bar.

A couple years back at a basketball game my husband, off duty just watching the game, ended up dealing with a drunk at the game that kept swearing and yelling at the coaches, refs etc. Other similiar things have happened and as an officer he feels obliged to get involved but he doesn't want to invite more of these types of problems by going to a bar. Again I do not want to judge others, it is their choice and right I guess to go "off duty" and choose not to get involved but I think that the smart thing is to go out of town or to camp or friends.

When someone becomes a police officer they are held to a higher standard, as they should be. My husband has always prided himself in that no one he has to arrest or deal with could even call him hypocrital for something that he himself has done (ok so maybe speeding a little but even then he tries not to go any faster then he would let someone off with a warning for).

Plenty of people obviously know the man and his family... and also know what he did for a living, some on this very board even knew of some very intimate details of current events going on in his life. It's been written about on this board... without any respect or regard to the man or his family. His poor kids... that YOU help to teach, and befriend, and go to church with and help to protect..... Unbelievable...

For such a small community, the servers from the bar... the patrons who may have known him, laughed with him, cried with him while he was there... then to allow him to leave this establishment - witness him smashing into a police officers car... and NO ONE stopping him prior to these events is a crime in itself.

Never mind knowing a law officer was in the same place – to just let him go without stopping him... not to arrest him.. but to offer to help - or even talk to him to stop and think about what he was getting ready to do ... (get into a car and drive) takes no more effort - then words out of your mouth.

To diffuse a situation before it jeopardizes an entire 10 mile or more strip of road, with other drivers, homes, the man himself…At least two people; acquaintances were there that evening for a short time...a third who was not there called tell about it ...news travels FAR and FAST.

You know there is a saying "it takes a community to raise a child"? It also takes a community to keep its members safe - and ya know what??? That also includes "off duty" police officers.

Mr. LaViolet will have to live with his actions, and he also has to live in the community... What a shame it must be for him to look into the eyes of the people he relies upon to keep him and his family member’s safe in his hometown.

In case you don't know - Any United States Law Enforcement Officer/Official swears to an ethical oath, an oath of duty /oath of honor... upon accepting his public service. Much of the language in the oaths.... VERY Powerful, very beautifully written - if you haven't read them.

Using an excuse as sorry as being "off duty" in such a small community - doesn't sit right... I am sure the entire police department knew this man from his profession... The meaning of Esprit De Corps… from these oaths…. Where was THAT on this night??

This off duty officer knew that an entire busload of children were on the road the ON DUTY officers were working to protect them... the least that could have been done - was to diffuse the situation. If he wasn’t professionally capable of diffusing the situation by being an upstanding citizen in the community – then he could have called for assistance, whether it was another ON DUTY officer, or another concerned community member.

Hes sorry,your sorry.That doesnt change the fact that someone else could have been killed,Donnie seemed to keep saying people could have been going to my funeral,who cares about your funeral?you had a choice to drive hammered or to not drive hammered,the other law abiding citizens didnt be a dumda$$ and yet their lives were in as much danger as yours.You are no hero Donnie,and you can stick your sorrys up your butt,youll be sorry after court when you lose your bus liscense and your job.Ding....Ding....Ill take retard for $200 Alex,thanks for playing!!!

It is quite possible that the police officer didnt even know that Donnie was there. I am sure that if he did know Donnie was there he wouldnt let him drive drunk since the officer was there being a sober driver for someone else. Think about it who would sit there and watch their jeep be rammed over and over again by an obvious drunk driver? Not too many people. Unless you all were there you have no clue what happened that night. In hindsight the parties involved are trying to move foward in this , it would benefit you all if you did the same. Pointing fingers and talking about the should've could've would'ves will not change the facts. As far as your questions are concerned leave it to a judge to decide. I highly doubt you all are so perfect that you can make assumptions about ethical and moral choices.

HeatherJAugusta :

"Think about it who would sit there and watch their jeep be rammed over and over again by an obvious drunk driver? "

EXACTLY !!!

"Pointing fingers and talking about the should've could've would'ves will not change the facts."

No - it may not change the facts for the fate of this man and his future professional choices or the ramifications for his family by having an unemployed father - Because NO ONE would stop him... however IN THE FUTURE - the TALKING about it by authorites and tax payers and counsil of the community who can affect change can make DAMN sure that precautions and action is taken in the future to protect members of all ages and walks of life in your community!!!!!

"I highly doubt you all are so perfect that you can make assumptions about ethical and moral choices. "

This isn't a question about Moral or Ethical "CHOICES" - It's about the awareness and actions of one who takes OATH to uphold morality and ethics!!

I agree with Richard37. In Donnie LaViolet's statement above...he makes sure he points out there was no chase by police. Does he really think that one little detail makes any difference in what he did? According to eye witnesses, he was traveling at a high rate of speed in a disabled vehicle...DRUNK! Mr. LaViolet never mentions in his vie for sympathy that any of us could have been going to one of our loved ones funerals because of his stupidity. He is only remorseful now because he is in a lot of trouble....his half hearted statement is not going to earn him any points. And Mr. LaViolet's comment, "everything happens for a reason" is so ridiculous...this all happened because he chose to drive drunk...that is the only reason!

And what I am saying truth seeker without any disrespect to you. Is I was told by the horses mouth that 1. the officer didnt see Donnie that evening and 2. He was there being a SOBER DRIVER for someone else. before you condem anyone know the facts that you speak about. I highly doubt the officer lied because I have never known that to be his character. It is in his character to make sure people are safe and that is why he was there to be a sober driver for someone else. to assume that the officer didnt uphold the Oath he could is ludicris because you dont know if he seen him there or not, where you there? I am saying if the officer seen Donnie there and was obviously drunk believe me the out come to this would be different and there would be no story to tell.

and just as a footnote , Police officers are not sworn to uphold morality and ethics they are sworn to uphold the LAW!

if what you are saying that they are sworn to uphold morality and ethics then police need to intervene when a man cheats on his wife and leaves his family with 9 dollars in their bank account to live off of.

oh and no fuel in the fuel tank for heat.

HeatherJAugusta:

There is no condemnation in my thoughts; Quite the contrary - But I cannot possibly fathom that the questions / comments that wander though my mind and that I ask my self are not running through the minds of many people in the community.... and if they aren't... They really should be by decision makers, business owners, tax payers, educators.....

Accountability plays a factor here... for Mr. Laviolet and others.

ok so let me try to understand this for a minute. It is now the police officer's fault for not stopping this person from drunk driving. When the officer didnt even see him there? I believe Donnie is over the drinking age. but lets blame the officer for not stopping him. is that what you are saying? I blame one person and one person only and I think if you were to ask him he would say the fault is his own as well and that is the one who chose to drive drunk. the only person that will and is being held a ccountable is Donnie. He isnt some underaged kid that didnt know what he was doing and to assume that the officer knew he was drunk before he got his truck is a absurd idea totally. If this one particular officer knew he was drunk like I said before there would be no story to tell.

HeatherJAugusta: "if what you are saying that they are sworn to uphold morality and ethics then police need to intervene when a man cheats on his wife and leaves his family with 9 dollars in their bank account to live off of. "

No - that is not what the statement means .... it's a little deeper than that.

they are sworn to uphold the law not morality and ethics.

Well those things are examples of poor moral and ethical choices. How deep do you feel it needs to be. There is one person in this case that broke the law and that was the drunk driver. Seems to me like you are searching for something that isnt there. Grasp at straws if you will but your not really helping anyone when you do that.

and if you want ethical and morality police then move to Saudi where that is part of their law there.

"It is now the police officer's fault for not stopping this person from drunk driving. When the officer didn’t even see him there? "

Honestly - I ask ... How do any of us really know the officer didn't see him?

Take one for his word?

Definition of "to give one's word"

.... A promise, affirmation, or assurance to give a person one's word.

i.e. - TO THE COMMUNITY - AN OATH WAS GIVEN

- That’s what that means. Driving Drunk is ILLEGAL - WHO IS TO UPHOLD THAT LAW - when a LAW UPHOLDER/representative for the community was RIGHT THERE.

Someone or many did know that Mr. LaViolet was there - Someone knew he was going to get into a vehicle - Someone there knew that there was a police officer in the establishment on this evening. How many times have you let someone you KNEW, perhaps loved, or were just friendly with, or worked with - get into a vehicle and drive after drinking, or have just one more cocktail for the "road”??

Has any ever been in a situation where they heard someone YELL OUT - " IS THERE A ________ here... HELLO - HELP?? In the event of a circumstance which REQUIRED attention by a PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED person?

I still maintain that Mr. LaViolet could have - should have been stopped before this tragedy was news regardless of the who was or was not there - paying attention or choosing to not pay attention.

I also maintain that the article calling attention to the fact that the officer's vehicle "was rammed three times” is sensationalism at it's finest and without malice truly believe that there are ALOT more pressing issues about LOCAL events gone wrong which could be reported upon to enhance awareness and benefit it's fine and outstanding members who pay for the services of it's local governing community.

so you are grasping at straws. It has just became very obvious to me that you have no clue who these people are because if you did you would realize that one person alone carries this guilt. He is a grown man that can make his own decisions and he has and believe me this isnt the first time he has done this very thing. To assume even on a good day that a police officer WHO DIDNT KNOW HE WAS THERE!! can stop him is absurd. If what are you are ASSUMING is true then the officer would have sat there and watched his jeep get destroyed. I guess in your neck of the woods that is something you would do since it makes perfect sense to you. the officer has no reason to lie and he wouldnt lie about something like this. Neither Donnie or David have it out for each other for any reason. To make assumptions is wrong period. AGAIN YOU DO NOT KNOW HE WAS THERE!!! There are 4 other bars on that street! Just because his jeep was parked there doesnt mean he was at that establishment. and if Donnie was getting so fooked up then why didnt the bartender cut him off? It could be possible that Donnie can hold his alcohol and seem sober if he is sitting down. If you have all the knowlege of what happened that night then you should know if Donnie was cut off or not by the bartender or what his demeaner was too right? because it cannot possibly be Donnies fault for driving drunk. So again we are trying to assume that a police officer seen this happen seen him smash into his jeep over and over again and loved watching it too right? I would take this officer's word for it before I would fall for any of the absurd assumptions that you are making.

Also keep in mind the officer that was there was being a sober driver for someone else. If this officer seen him I know he would tell him he would give him a ride home since he was giving someone else a ride home too. That is what makes your assumptions about this wrong.

HeatherJAugusta, you can talk until you face turns blue. You might as well give up.

true i guess that is what happens when you try to reason with liberals. Its like feeding a monkey just to watch him poop.

I don't see where any of my comments are "assumptions" HeatherJAugusta

Thoughts- questions- definitions- are not assuming - whatsoever. Is one not permitted to freely think and question?

If I were assuming - I would be making decision, of which I am not - I am thinking and freely expressing my thoughts on an article that I have read about in a paper - I wonder why there is such defensive tone in your writing?

Good one heather, sorta like giving a transvestite a tube of anal ease and watching weather they eat it or stick it , well you know.

there are thoughts and questions yes and they have an assuming tone to them. Yes you are free to think how you feel. However going on facts instead of something you have pulled out of your a$$ is different. if you have all these questions why dont you ask David Claroni himself. I get defensive because I know these people and I know the character of people that these men are. That is why I am trying my best to answer the questions I know. I know that David Claroni is the very last person to sit there and watch a man get in a car or a truck drunk and not do anything about it. And your thoughts and questions are assumptions. Keep in mind though they are debatable and there is no merit to them. And I shouldnt have to copy and paste things you have said to prove you did make assumptions. you or anyone can scroll up and read what you are assuming. Just as much you have the right to think and feel how you do . Its a "defensive tone" used to be known as facts. I have every right to say what I want to too even if it diagrees with your ASSumptions.

lol thats a good one too Stevey.

I may have to give myself a thumbs down, it may of been too vulgar and a little over the edge.

could have been worse. I think are ok with that comment.

Keep in mind folks,cops are thick as thieves(excuse the expression)if Dave had seen him walk out hammered and get behind the wheel he would have called whoever was on duty,and tried to go delay Donnie until they came.For you people on here to assume things is wrong,and to assume that a cop should always be on duty like Superman ready to foil crime evey instant is absurd,how many fireman or doctors do you see driving aroung looking for fires or patients?I think you have cops confused with lawyers.All of you get a life,Dave does his job satisfactory to the chief,all this ball busting gets you no where,you got al unfabricated problem with Dave go to the chief or shut your pie hole!!!!

^5 Richard. My thoughts exactly!

Heather you speak as if YOU were there. Were you? Have you ever been inside this TINY bar? This is one of the smallest bars in Calais. Not to mention its usually dead during the winter.

I could see Dave saying he didnt see him if it had been during festival or even in the summer when every one and their brother has come out of the woodwork to party, or maybe had he been tipsy himself, but it really is nearly impossible NOT to see everyone in a bar this size. Of course it cant be proven one way or the other though...how convenient.

By the way richard, it is against a doctors Hypocritical Oath NOT to assist someone who is need of immediate medical care. They cant just drive by an accident for example, where people are hurt, and I highly doubt any firemen would ever ignore a fire if they could help in any way. As the cops wife stated above "they are held to a higher standard" and should be IMO. If not find another line of work.

I don't remember who the resident "I took law classes and stayed at a Holiday Inn last night guy" is but maybe he can further exude his knowledge of the law by explaining citizen arrests. This law allows for citizens to make arrests for certain acts by fellow citizens including operating under the influence. So next time, instead of standing by and doing nothing, a citizen can actually make a difference and possibly avoid an unhappy ending. I believe if people took the time to expand their knowledge of the law and quoted the whole law, (instead of just the parts they want), it would go a long way to ending these ignorant forum comments. JMHO

alleycat , by the way humorous name reminds me of a man who used to get drunk and pass out on the main road from eastport to perry corner. there are 4 other bars on that same side of the road , how do you know that David Claroni was in that same establishment? oh and by the way I dont feel I have to validate myself to someone with the name Alleycat that was adopted from an obvious drunk known to that region.

I dunno, maybe it was ALL the EYE WITNESSES who said Claroni was there. Go figure. And where in hell are the other 4 bars on the same side of the road. I only know of one and its usually closed by 9pm. Scooter is on North st and the Town House is way down the street on the opposite side of the road and that one usually closes up early too because its dead this time of year.

And what in gawds name are you talking about when you refer to my username? Not that its any of your business but I came up with it because of my sled and birth year. ArcticCat69 was taken, hence alleycat69 is what I decided to go with, so please dont affiliate me with your drunken family members. You dont have to validate yourself to me because of my username. haha, nice strawman attempt.

BTW, you dont have to validate yourself to anyone, but also dont have to have a meltdown because others dont agree with you.

Lmao, I believe its your liberal counter parts having a hard time with me to be honest. I am not on here using a made up screenname to hide who I truely am this is my name. As far as your conspiracy theroies go those are the straws you are trying to pull from. You must have found yourself a time or two on the wrong side more than once and probably have a beef with police officers in general. I cannot say I have been on that side of the law before so I dont know but you seem to. No one is having a meltdown and Alleycat was a drunk in pleasent point no relative of mine. Although it would make your comment even more hysterical. bravo to you

oh and by the way alleycat it said Davids jeep was there. No mention if David was or not. The only reason they knew it was Donnie was because his license plate fell off.

Now you're assuming I'm a liberal too. hahaha.

First you say Dave was there, but didnt see him and that you got that info straight from the horses mouth, and now you say he could've been at the other bars. Which is it? The only other bar that is even remotely close was closed down for the evening. If you really are in Augusta how can you make all these asumptions. You arent even familiar with the locations of these bars. How do you know I wasnt there...hmmm?

And nope, never been in any kind of trouble, not that it matter though, as I havent based Dave once in my comments...only to say that cops should not be partying or socializing in bars in the same areas they patrol. I have no problems with Dave whatsoever so dont twist my words.

As far as screen names go, big deal, you're using your first name as a screen name. So what, that makes your opinion more credible than anyone elses here? Sorry, dont think so....but whatever you've gotta tell yourself. lol

Ok first of all I was told he didnt see donnie there, I was told there were other bars in that area. I dont know for a fact because I am not a bar rat, I dont use bars or alcohol to entertain myself with. With that being said I am going on what someone told me and I trust this person's word because they have never lied about serious matters such as this. As far as what I know about character and the people involved its more likely that david didnt see him because if he had and knew he was drunk david would have stopped him after all david was being a sober driver for someone. I think that people who are trying to piece together more here than what has been provided is useless because it was what it was. and again i make mention that right here in this article it says no one knew it was donnie that did that to david's jeep until they spotted the license plate off of Donnies truck. that told me that they didnt know he was in the shape he was in. even if david seen him that night you dont know what his demeaner was. for all you know he was perfectly fuctioning. A person that is no stranger to bottle can seem sober to many people. What about the bartender serving Donnie the alcohol? if Donnie was being overly drunk and acting as such dont you think the bartender would have cut him off? I know people who drink like fish and think they can drive and their driving skills are much to be desired but they are still able to function sitting down or what have you. You are assuming by just what you say that David noticed him in the bar being drunk out of his mind and let him drive him anyway. If that was the case wouldnt it have been reported that David said who it was that smashed up his jeep instead of finding what they call their "calling card." your theory draws more questions than answers that is why I cannot find any facts to it at all. So I am going by what i was told from the horses mouth, and i am going by what i have known and lets thank God no one was hurt or worse. If you were in that same bar why didnt you do something to stop him ? obviously if you were you didnt stop him either so what exactly are you trying to say? that police officers now have to be governed because they shouldnt socialize with the general public when in fact these police officers at one time were part of the general public themselves and went to schools and was and still is friends with the general public now they are police officers all bets of a social life is off? Government owns most of us now and what you are saying the government is going to micro manage everything from here on out. donnie is 35 years old and still cannot be held accountable for what he does is what you are saying. Keep in mind it wasnt a police officer getting behind a wheel of a car smashing into other cars and trucks and jeeps because they were in his way.

There ARE four bars in that same area: Scooters, The Hightower, The Townhouse, and the Over and Under Beef and Brew. The Towhouse does frequently close at 9, but not every weekend. The Over and Under Beef and Brew does not frequent many customers, but it is still there. The Hightower and Scooters are the two most popular, but ALL four are in walking distance of each other. Patrons tend to walk back and forth between the bars, and the corner of North and Main is a popular place to park on a Friday/Saturday night.

I dont believe anyone said Donnie isnt responsible for this. And yes, I still firmly believe that Calais cops have no place in the Calais bars.

Why are you so angry abou this? Are you Daves new woman? You seem to be taking every opinion in here personally. Your comments are longer than the article for christ sake.

And just because some of the locals go out to have drinks with colleagues or coworkers does NOT make them bar rats, so whatever you're implying is insulting at best.

Furthermore, if you are close to Dave does he know your on a public message board speaking about the so-called facts of this case that you've gotten from the "horses mouth...a case that he may potentially have to testify in?

Every single person in here has the right to express their opinions...and thats just what they are...opinions. Opinions on how things "maybe" should've been. It doesnt change what happened, but it may in the future should this same scenario present itself.

AlleyCat69 - My thoughts exactly and nicely said!

lmao sounds like I ruffled your feathers. And its not any of your business but no I am not his woman, I am happily married. and second the one thing people cannot read are people's emotions so you have no idea what I am feeling. Second I am not putting anyone down when I say I am not a bar rat I am simply stating a fact. Facts my friend that your so called opinions lack. And not that its any of your business but I do not answer to anyone and that includes my friends. Too bad for you because if you were a friend of mine I would defend you to the end too, because that is what I do for my friends when I know they did nothing wrong. Also what I am posting here is no secret so I am legally able to say what I want to. Angry not in the least, you and those like you do not anger me, you simply make me laugh.

Right Fearless, and I listed each one and their location. They are NOT all on the same side of the road and close to each other Heather implied. Also, yes, they are all within walking distance, buts its quite rare given the below freezing temps this time. Even when plastered, freezing your butt is still no fun. People like their rides as close by as possible.

should have could have would haves is all you have to go on. and this situation has presented itself far more times than not. How many times do you read in the paper or on the news that someone had a car accident where alcohol was the reason. Pluuuuuuuuuuuuease spare me your drama filled opinions. if you want drama watch lifetime or better yet go to Oprah you would get more sympathy and more validation on your opinions. I am free to express my opinions too and that is what I am doing. Seems to me like your a bit angered since you are using colorful language in expressing yourself. Your so intelligent, you ought to be a professor for the UMaine system maybe teaching law enforcement perhaps? lol

Heather, you've hardly ruffled my feather:) When I start writing novels on a message board to prove my point you may then claim to have done so. lol

wow do your ears hang low too? and thank you for the compliment that my postings are like novels, it takes a lot of forsight to do that.

oh yeah and i dont have to use colorful language to express myself. I kinda grew out of that age .

Don't forget the Blue Oyster bar too.

fearless wrote

“You've mentioned your government classes, have you ever taken an english class? When someone is trying to pass themself off as educated they should take care to use proper grammar and punctuation.”

Fearless

President’s list would mean 1. You maintain an average of a 3.5 or higher

Mine 3.91 at this time, so no I am not perfect!

What is yours?

That would mean yes an” A” in English but in college it is call Composition and no my major is not to be an English teacher or professor!

If so I would have to pick on yours as well as many in here on any of their grammar! However as an educated person I seek out the point of the conversation ( Also an A in communications) and work with that if I was to spend all my valuable time correcting typo’s I might miss a point.

Sayswho wrote

Wow, this is all very interesting. There's enough slander in here to keep a civil attorney busy for years.

Bring it on I state factual evidence! When I quoted Claroni’s statement it was from public record! And in good APA format, gave reference to where I found the source!! I am sure fearless can tell those who don’t know what APA means.

HeatherJAugusta wrote:

“What police officers do when they are off duty is their business.”

I disagree they are held to a higher standard and if this was true then any off duty officer should mind his own business when off duty? Right?

“I highly doubt the officer (lied) because I have never known that to be his character. It is in his character to make sure people are safe and that is why he was there to be a sober driver for someone else.”

I question that statement. If he leaves things out and does not confess would that be a lie or not. When it is his responsibility to tell the truth the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth.

I will call you on this Heather and I will call Claroni on it ask him if he has ever made a statement with a four letter word about knowing the law. Then ask him if he left it out of a report? Ask the him!!

Now also I will call you on this. Officers are not sworn to ethics? Officers are not sworn to morals?

Oh dear we do have a problem here don’t we!!

To make a law that stops people from cheating ? Heather come on?

Truthseeker

Can you now see who and what you are dealing with! I say you are speaking to a group of very uneducated people for one. For another you are dealing with people who do not realize how much you do know about the town of Calais. They think because I do not live there (for this very reason) I don’t know. What they don’t know is that people out side there tiny little world, perhaps some with money enough to buy the information they need from public sources to study what truly goes on and not what rumors dictate, are in affect looking out for their own interest. Lets say members of ACLU or private groups who have told the officials several times, over several years to get their act together. I have been documenting the behavior of police offices, officials in Maine for over 15 years and not just in their little town but in other states as well. I have written many document that have been turn in evaluating the performances of these people. I placed these facts in the hands of far more important people then their local leaders.

I will tell you this and all the others as well because I have now documented the facts once again that the freedoms given to them from the United Stated in the form of Amendments are being violated daily and the citizens are allowing it to happen. That is because some, not all, are not upstanding officers they claim to be. By knowing your rights will only help these officers get it right. By doing so will place them in a position of professionalism they should and need to be held to.

Only by educating the locals can you do this and only if they are willing to learn!

Alleycat

Thanks for correcting him on a doctors oath it saved me some typing errors lol

Oh fearless please don’t grade this! And yes I know spelling counts if you do.

Heather,

that is, if the opinions are not removed. Mine were professional without foul words they just hit points that some officers on here don't like. I would love to teach you people, but it sounds like I would have to start at teaching a reading class. Maybe something more then just seeing, spelling errors, but a real reading comprehension class. Then we could work up to what I have been saying!

I would then have to find students who are willing to learn and not fight you on it or are jealous you are educated enough to teach then. I have overlooked most of the comments from people who had to go off line and ask someone what grammar meant.

I had someone here try and tell me common is spelled comon while mind you correcting me on Just us as a pun for justice. Good lord no wonder these officers can walk all over peoples rights. Then another comment was if I am trying to pass myself off as educated. Lol I am educated there is no passing anything off. I would love to show then my transcript with all those “A” on it. They would read it like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA that’s right. Don’t hate me because I spend my money on other things then drugs and alcohol and they choose the latter.

But people when it comes to your rights don’t nit pick the way someone is telling you to lean them go learn them!!!

Maybe David didn't see Donald leave the bar. David could have been in the men's room when Donald left.

Sayswho, sounds to me like you are talking about something else besides this one issue. Second I am finished with you hateful and vile people. Obviously you think you have made a point of throwing an officer of the laws that protect you I might add, under the bus. Ok that is your right to feel that way. I just dont believe that every single police officer from Eastport to New York City is dirty and I dont believe Claroni plays a dirty cop role. What you know or think you know about a case that has nothing to do with this one has nothing to do with the facts. And as far as eyeseeyou is concerned your life has to be perfect if you get your jollies on going into comments on the bangor daily website and correct people's grammar and spelling. I am so happy that you miss perfect never in your life ever had a typo. BRAVO to you , there is your gold star for the day.

LMAO, ACLU? dont you mean ambulance chasers? and coming from the ACLU I am positive there are no biases there are there? Its liberal agenda is to cry fire when there isnt even smoke.

Heather

Please, All I have said are facts and more so educate your self!! And yes my life is perfect isn’t yours?

I have not corrected anyone on their grammar, spelling, or anything related to it. However, only made the point, before correcting anyone else’s typing please get their own typing right. These people who spend their time on that are missing points that are being made or do not understand at a level they need to, to stay with the post. I of course, in a room full of people who cannot comprehend the topic much less spell, do not fell the need to put everything in APA or MLA or any other professional format. It was told to me that even in a room full of people that have PhDs one would have to lower their conversation to the lowest educated person in the room to get them involved with the conversation.

I would also like to say that of all the people in this post truthseeker has tried as much as I have to say look at some points here!! Before anyone spouts off read the facts and for god sakes not from the paper nothing says they get it right either. Most of all when they report about an arrest it is told to them by the police in the light most favorable to the police department.

I say this because there are several people in that area who are fighting for your rights and to preserve your rights and those people are being supported by people like my self and yes others. We find educated people in your area that have the knowledge but not the resources and privately fund them. We will continue with the funding of these people to ensure their rights are protected and yours too.

In doing so I become privileged to information that I buy from the court reporters and trust me some reports are up in a price range that most cannot afford. I paid a lot of money for them. I buy transcripts and study them and you can too if you so desire. I am keeping my eye on certain judges in the Washington County area who still believe in a good old boys style of ruling and who are not within the law or case law or any appeals law. I can tell you also I have flown to Maine and sat in the court room to see for myself!!! What is going on there is wrong! In the court system!! I know where to look and it is where the wall are put up. I find a wall and I climb it. I know on the other side of that wall is hiding of evidence all the way up to you states attorney generals office!! I have reported it to the United States Attorney Generals office and also to the FBI This information should scare you! It should also scare those in power who think nobody is watching. A police office who lies on the stand to a judge who admits hearsay after an objection from the opposition to it! I am saying educate your selves like I do.

I have posted here the last few days because I know there are police officers here and want them to know!

Heather now now ACLU stands for American Civil Liberties Union lol poor misinformed thing!

Oh dear dear dear, I have to laugh do you know Maine has a union called Maine Civil Liberties Union

We don’t chase ambulances we protect rights I am a member I pay for it too. What do you do to protect your rights?

Ok first of all I am basing my opinion on the facts as well. From what I have read and what I know about the individuals involved in this one article. To bring up other cases pending or thrown out is really not relevant for this newspaper article. If I thought for a minute that in this case there was wrong doing coming from the police officer I wouldnt be so diligent in defending him. He wasnt the one driving drunk. Maybe the questions you should be asking are , why didnt the bartender cut him off? If the bartender didnt cut him off why? what was donnies demenor in the bar in question? it very well could be that Donnie appeared to be holding his own and it didnt hit him until he got in his truck. The article states that their calling card was Donnies license plate left behind. That told me and should tell the rest of you that without that bit of information they wouldnt have known who rammed the officer's jeep. Trying to find a fire when there isnt even smoke is pointless, its like the woman who called 911 because mcdonald's ran out of nuggets that day. Its a waste of time and those precious tax dollars that most of you are concerned about.

HJA - You don't pay taxes?

I sure do

Im just not in here whining about like I have read in other's comments.

I am new to this conversation and, for the moment, I have time for only a quick comment. However, I'll be back shortly. The ACLU huh? Quick point Number Uno (uno is "one" for all you ACLU members out there): I do not need the ACLU to protect my rights. The Constitution does that just fine. If, perchance I need a lawyer, I'll hire one that ain't a Liberal Weenie that believes the cops/gubmint/Pope is out to deprive me of said rights simply because the ACLU disagrees with the cops/gubmint/Pope. The ACLU is no different, to me, than the NAACP, CAIR or any other "victims' group". They (ACLU) is "protecting your rights" by trying to get Rights enjoyed by American citizens afforded to detainees at Gitmo, i.e, people who have declared war on America, its citizens and all non-Muslims. To be fair, that's just one point of disagreement I have with the ACLU, but there are many more. As I stated, I'll be away from my computer for a bit. Upon my return, I'll "educate" you (sounds kinda Commie,i.e., EyeSeeYou, huh?) on other stuff (late term abortion, mercy killing, gay marriage, anyone?) about the ACLU and the way they view the USA. It's not a pretty sight, folks.

Eyeseeyou , you must be still drunk off the koolaid Obama left when he was here campaigning.

Heather I can see you are at the point of no longer having anything intelligent to say!

First of all you stated exactly what truthseeker said two days ago but you disagreed then but call on it now. Clap on clap off

As for the ACLU they protected their rights for your rights. I would have put up a guillotine in gitmo myself but because they have rights to a fair trial they should get one or maybe fishfearme, we should just get a rope and hang a person for not agreeing with what you think! Think about this and believe me I am in America because I agree with what its founding fathers or the framers (not a bunch of barn builders from Maine) stood for and guess what when they wrote that for us there was a fear of treason that each one of them faced to do so! But did it stop them no because they were right then and after 200 plus years they still are right. I think it was an amazing thing to see so far down the road as they did. I only wish people today could see that far and if they could they would see the leaders of this country try and tear down that document created so many years ago. Officers that are willing to violate the 4th amendment right. Don’t violate mine as I have taken an oath to protect my Amendment rights to the death! I will for yours too even if you don’t even know what they are my friend! But do me one favor read then uphold them. Guess what if I eyeseeyou or anyone else violate mine I am going to question you on this and if you are a police officer I am going to make sure you do! That is my right! An office of the law might know the law but do they know case law? Learn it! EDUCATE your self. I will ask any officer any time what their reason is and it had better be good! It had batter be by the book and it better be a law. If not guess what I will see you in court!!

One more question fishfearme

If a person is gay does that mean they give up their rights? I asked my girlfriend and she is not gay and is not sure but doesn't think so!! lol

I didnt disagree with her on that one issue of the bartender idea. You know its so easy for you splash around in your koolaid wave pool full of self appointed victims the ACLU imports. Seems like you have been drinking more than koolaid. And its amazing that you seem to know all things legal I mean my word just ask you and you will tell us. I have yet to see anything creditable from you. Where are your credentials anyway can we look them up or are they hidden with all the other bs files you like to resort to. and fyi brevity is the soul of wit.

EyeSeeYou...I am not a bigot, homophobe, etc. I have nary a problem with someone who is gay. What I do have a problem with is giving "special rights" to ANY group. White, black, gay, straight, Martian...I am against gay marriage. Legal rights, such as inheritance, insurance issues, seeing one's partner in the hospital and having knowledge of said partner's medical issues and making decisions as to the infirmed person's wishes are fine by me. Everyone is granted that particular right whether I agree with his/her lifestyle or not. However, marriage between same-sex couples re-defines marriage as we have known it for thousands of years. I ain't for that. I am aware that many people disagree with me on this subject, but that does not make me wrong nor them right. Everybody in the USA has the same rights, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference and all that. See: the Constitution, Bill of Rights, etal. With you as a member of the ACLU and me being from a Conservative upbringing, I am sure that we are miles apart on many issues. Having said that, I am pleased that we can have a rational discussion of these issues. And please don't take the Liberal Weenie thing as an insult. It's just that I mean it. :)

EyeSeeYou,Please take your educated butt somewhere else,Id rather be considered uneducated that put up with your boring,sleep provoking comments.We all know that someone worked hard to send you to college and I bet they are so proud that you have become,a Bangor Daily comment writter.you have nothing to prove to us,if your self esteem is so low you need to be a braggard maybe you should go back to your shrink.

Richard I think I just found a new friend lol ^5 amigo.

Heather

Once again I choose to spend my money on education and not on what ever "koolaid" is or you are code naming it to be?? I think at this point you might want to try to keep this on a more educated level and not in a slang that I care not to learn as it does not fit into my society. Let’s start with facts Heather!

I stated my GPA was 3.91 I could have done better but sometimes things come up life. I am not disappointed with 3.91 at all because after all I would have only had to get .09 to be 4.0 that is not that far off from a 4.0 in any ones book. May I ask what yours was?

Fact Most of the cases have reviewed related to Amendment violation or Police brutality!

Of those cases most of the officers were caught in lies on the stand. Example

Hopkins vs Webber

Webber testified four different ways he removed the flashlight from the victims hand. It is not up to us or the judge to decide which one was the truth as we on a statically level could pick any one. This leaves three other ways Webber himself stated to be lies! This is perjury by a police officer.

It that same case Webber also describes four different time that he left the scene and what he did each time. Then swears up and down he only left twice. So how can he describe other times? Who cares right because the other were lies or the times he left were lies but either way more perjury!

I did a background check on Hopkins and nothing. Not one conviction! I even called the company that runs my background checks to be sure. Still nothing.

I purchased the recording on the trial and also acquired the transcripts (about a thousand dollars) And what I read was absolutely mortifying at how this could be allowed.

Judge John Romai was appalling.

Ok so you described a case that has again nothing to do with this article. I guess though when you live in a tunnel vision world such as the ACLU does you only see that if one person is a police officer they are in the wrong simply by having a badge. Ok I get it that is the leg you stand on. Koolaid isnt coded and if you were the intelligent person you pretend to be on comment forums for bangor daily then you would get the connection. I feel its beneath my intelligence to spell it out for you . Hint Jonestown? ring any bells. ok anyway I wasnt asked my educational background and nor do I feel it necessary to the plot in this circumstance. So you can walk around all night long spouting off how uneducated you think I am but that doesnt make it true just because YOU say it. Peace out brother man

Richard I am shocked lol you are wrong. I paid my own way through college thank you. I started my own business with that education thank you and if I might add my education has paid for itself many times over. I don't require a shrink as I am a very stable person that does not require drink or drugs to live my life and I do not have a low self esteem and in fact quite proud of myself. That bothers you doesn’t it Richard.

If the information I provide you with bores you to sleep then remain there for those who would like to learn.

Richard what was your major and your GPA?

Fishfearme and the same questions to you.

It might surprise you gents that I am very familiar with Maine in fact I remember when Judge Romei was a oddly dressed lawyer in Machias. He has done quite well for himself and so have I!

I enjoy watching those of you who are intimidated by an educated person make fools of yourself it tell me who you are.

Go ahead Richard see if you can make him mad by calling him a name duh I don’t fishfearme you alwas come up with a better name then I can you try and make him.

It won’t work guys that is the beauty of have an education people on my level over look those simpletonville commends to get to more important details.

if you overlooked those simpletonville comments why are you the first one in line to make a comment?

3.91? Is that from the Russian judges? EyeSeeYou...I was just beginning to tolerate you and your Liberalism, but you disappointed me again by bringing up the fact that you have a college degree and implying that those of us who don't are somehow members of the "underclass". That's the thing about you and those who think like you. The 'uneducated" are inferior and somehow lack common sense and good judgement. YOU know what's better for us and our families than we do. While I applaud your achievements, I deplore your holier-than-thou attitude. Damned waste of my tax money paying for your gender-based/affirmative action/preference-related education.

Wow Heather I guess after that I don’t have to ask where you got your degree you don’t have one and yes Jamestown was a sad thing. I would not be persuaded by any one to do anything I don’t want to do.

I 'm sorry you feel being a member of an organization that fights for people's rights is below you education when it fact that is only a part of what I do privately to protect right and also Heather you may not have been here at the start and read how I felt about the article. Let me enlighten you some.

No one said Donnie was right he himself ,if that was really him, said it was his own fault. No one should drink and drive.

Also jessabell made a character statement about David Claroni. I only stated without factual knowledge one should not make such a statement! However I also noted in most cases the story that gets reported to the press is often time submitted by the police department and is reported most favorable in the light of the police. Maybe Donnie would like to make a statement if they would even report it.

He did and is the better man for doing so.

This brings me to me making a statement about David Claroni. I stated he did not truthfully file a report in a case on Nov 14 2008 I can say this because I purchased a copy of the report. I also purchased a copy of a report involving a Thomas Chamber who also filed a report on the same incident. I put them together and made light of the discrepancies in each mans report. I only quoted Mr. Claroni as stating ”I grabbed the passenger and punched him with a clenched fist” This is in his report ask him or buy a copy it is public record. It is also public record that the passenger filed charges of assault on Claroni also public records. I also said that WQDY would not broadcast it as eagerly as they did the arrest and that the drivers case was dismissed for lack of evidence also public record. He had no reasonableness to probable cause to stop the vehicle in the first place but did so because Mr. Chambers filed a false report!

Ask him! Go to public record and get a copy!

At this point I said before people assume what happened EDUCATE YOUR SELF!

From then on out it has been one show of ignorant post after another and the only one sthat made sense is truthseeker and allycat!

Fishfearme I stated I paid for my own education you had nothing to do with it and trust me on that!!!!!!! I also stated I look past the typo that people call each other on to see the point and you know what when that don't have one they babble like you just did. I was was not telling you what was best for your family you can keep them uneducated so that you can be the smart one. Right?

I guess if truthseeker is not in here any more there is a good chance there will be no logical conversation anymore.

I guess my last comment (and it was a good one) got lost in the intertubes. For the sake of brevity, I'll respond this way: EyeLiveOnMyKnees, I had a 3.95 GPA as a Pre-Law major. I did not, to my dismay, complete my education. However, along the way, I experienced life. And thank God, I did not end up like you. A holier-than-thou sphincter looking down my nose at those who didn't attend a top-notch University. Whatever your degree, you are still an elitist "culero" (it's Spanish, look it up, genius). I ended up a working man with 4 great kids, ages 2 to 30, a beautiful wife and all the happiness that no amount of money could buy. I may be "white trash", but, brother, at least I ain't low-class and I can look in the mirror each day and know that I have given my all to my family and friends. You, on the other hand, put yourself up on a pedestal. I think the guy who commented above is right. You have self-esteem issues and it empowers you to look down on common folks as inferior. Bottom line: you are a sad little person. And an a$$hole.

Ok first of all about this case I said I know all the people invovled. I mean that I was at Donnies wedding to his ex wife now. I graduated with David Claroni. You know the law or claim you do so why would this case have anything to do with another case. I do not know about that case. However like I said I personally know david and donnie. David is also a childhood friend of mine. I feel in this particular case it was Davids character being attacked and I know for a fact because of the history of having known him for such a long time that he wouldnt lie or even hide things when it comes to this. David and Donnie knew of each other and neither one have anything against the other. Donnie has had a problem with drinking for a while and has been known to be drinking and driving on a regular basis. I know this because I am close with some of the people that are indirectly affected by his drinking and has been for many years. Now not david or swat of officers could have prevented donnie from drinking and driving that night. also, if david did notice that donnie had too much to drink i know he would have offered him a ride or even stalled him until the po po showed up because one thing you dont know about officer claroni is the fact that he knows and has known how serious drinking and driving is. It was important to him when we were young kids having our senior grad. party from graduating from hs and it is still important to him to this day. to imply that other cases that doesnt put him in the most flattering light has anything to do with him in this case is ludacris. so I may not have a degree to back up my theories but I have history with these two individuals and if i didnt feel in my hear of hearts that david was innocent in this believe I would not be defending his character. regardless of other cases i cannot comment on them because i have no idea what happened and it would be very ignorant for me think I would.

just as its very ignorant for anyone to comment on these people who probably dont even know what they look like let alone anything about the type of person they are. You may have a degree but you have nothing when it comes to common sense and humility.

I am almost left speechless - To turn your back on fact and truth is very disheartening. Fact and Truth includes many aspects within this forum and certainly within the community we live in this includes business, legalities, and the way a city is organized and ran. A citizen of any community has a considerable amount of rights - and a considerable amount of information available to them.

What I don't get is this............READ THE COMMENTS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS!!! Yet you still defend - and sweep this dirt under the table.... All of these people making ALL of these comments - I have read OTHER threads - many more news articles , several police reports.... I have read quotes from victims who explain they have been shunned from fair hearing - or rights have been violated in one form or another.

In many of these articles; from not only this county - but others close by as well - citizens and victims are talking about derogatory, questionable behavior from local officials - yet continue to come on here and defend - without fact.

So, so oppressed. where some members believe that Wyatt Earps Wild Wild West reigns is what this seems like ... This is not a spaghetti western, where drama and "to be continued" are REAL Life. When will the members of the community pay arttention and speak up to what they are stating?

When will the comments like these be addressed?

On 3/3/09 at 11:30 AM, CeeBlue wrote: Where was the S.W.A.T. team / Sheriff's Dept { getting doughnuts}/State police/ constables and border patrol ! How can a state with more cops per capita than any state in the union expect 1 upstanding officer of impeccable integrity to handle an instance of this magnitude ?

On 3/3/09 at 12:30 PM, newportres wrote: ....... "and only a complete fool would drink and drive in Calais" ....or a Calais cop or some member of his family. Everyone else does get caught (oh except senior town officials too). The above are facts and if you live in Washington County there is no one you can report these facts to who will do anything about them. The County cops drink with the City Cops and they all drink with the State cops when they are not at a Party with the DA.

On 3/3/09 at 12:38 PM, newportres wrote: "Police read these comments and everyone knows how things "disappear"

Calais Police Tamper with evidence? Say it aint so!

On 3/4/09 at 9:33 PM, PaleShadows wrote: This is the backwoods of Maine where everyone knows everyone. It 'is' too bad that no one offered to drive Donnie home though and from the sounds of it, he should've been shut off. The bars in Calais are dead this time of year so I find it hard to believe no one noticed. Any decent one would've shut him down or at least called him a cab. I realize that ppl are saying it isnt the bars responsibility to babysit, but that really isnt so. There just seems to be a whole lot of factors here that attributed to this mess.

In other forums:

On 3/5/09 at 4:54 AM, politicallyincorrect wrote: When his attorney gets him off on a loophole it is because the state or the police have not done their jobs efficiently. It is the voters who put people like Paul Cavanaugh and Mike Povich at the helm. Perhaps when their term is up we should consider one of these successful defense attorneys for DA.

On 3/5/09 at 6:14 AM, Rachael1962 wrote: ....could possibly be that the lawyer is not the only one "delaying justice"

The corruption within both Washington County and Hancock County courts is thick. Had the Washington County DA not acted within their own agenda . As long as the court system allows for leniency in sentencing and the state does not investigate their justice centers for corruption .... I was denied access to justice in Maine...

One therapist I went to see this guy who is supposed to be this great trauma therapist in Bangor .says to me "They are gonna crucify you!" ( Not a good therapist ) I didn't at the time know who "They were" but after following the lack of legal procedure in cases being brought forward in good ol' boy court ( in the newspaper) I know now who "they" are. "They" are the leaders from Washington/Hancock County....."They" are the people who have the power and authority to corrupt the system from within...which I have witnessed...verily They are Maine.

On 3/5/09 at 1:39 PM, raysgurl wrote: ......... have always stuck up for the Calais PD, but they dropped the ball with this one.........If the police had dug a little deeper, they would have kids who would have testified against them.......

On 3/5/09 at 3:09 PM, PaleShadows wrote: .........I've also had some very negative experiences with Claridge that I wont go into.

On 3/5/09 at 3:17 PM, cookiecrumbles wrote:....................Someone mentioned if the Calias police had only come forward when he was driving around with these young girls...Did anyone go in aa nd write an incident report or share their suspicions with the police? ......Did any citizen say "oh wow in spite of my own issues i think I will protect some human beings today?"

Certainly if the Calais Police had heard of such a crime they would have brought forth an investigation. Rachel62 you made a statement about harsher sentencing something that is needed in the courts I agree and also quicker sentencing. By delaying the trail what happens is that witness forget and the magnitude of the crime becomes minimized.........Look at what happened to Rachel. That is a sad example of the system failing the victim.

On 2/28/09 at 8:54 PM, whoahmygod wrote: And having Dave Claroni speak out about fidelity. Pfft, yeah that'll really convince everyone........also knows he wouldnt know how to keep in his pants if his life depended on it.

On 3/1/09 at 2:24 AM, raysgurl wrote:......I have run into Dave on occasions in a professional capacity, and I have disagreed with him.....

On 3/1/09 at 10:00 AM, kasdyln wrote: Dave is a decent guy and a good cop, but god help you if you are a young pretty female in need of a ride home. Just ask the parents of the minor he was intimitely involved with. I will not write my experience with him as its over and done with, but Dave IS a horn dog. That is a fact. Tina Maholland, the thief caught ripping off the school sytem for nearly a quarter mil is also another one of his formers. Matter of fact, didnt she buy him his new motorcycle he later returned. Or maybe she co-signed with her upstanding credit with the bank. Please, dont make me laugh.

On 3/1/09 at 11:58 AM, raysgurl wrote:

kasdyln, I didn't say that everything Dave does is above reproach, only that this is not the forum to be discussing his sex life or lack thereof. I don't care what he does on his own time.

On 3/2/09 at 12:32 PM, newportres wrote: "Either way, you would never put your real names up and write what you wrote, would you? "

Anyone with anything bad to say about Calias PD is using a lot of caution and forsight to not use their real names and with good reason. Washington County police ar not known for their forgiveness to anyone other than the people they work with. If there was another way to enforce the law you gorrilas would have been gone long ago.

WAKE UP !!

ok its you that deserves a wake up call. For 1 anyone can copy and paste anything and type in what they want to. Second, it wasnt a police officer driving drunk and wrecking other people's vehicles. and third you cannot use one's personal life against them. Just because their personal life might less than desirable doesnt mean that their character needs to be attacked for it. its obvious to me that you and others live in glass houses. You can live in fear if you choose to that is your choice. I think in this particular case you are way off base. yes donnie said he was sorry for what he did but he is in no way innocent and deserving of a heros badge and welcome. Its obvious to me you like to fester in the rumors and live life through your kitchen windows and gossip about it to your neighbors but never confront the ones you vilify with your vile and hate and gossip. shame on you!!!

and may i just add some words of advice, brevity is the soul of wit. If you have no idea what it means ask your self appointed lawyer stuck up libtard you call a friend of common thoughts and interests because its only right if you and your friends believe it is such.

Well said truthseeker from the mouths of the people!!!!!!

lol the only way you would know people were even there is if they gave you all something to gossip about.

its ok because one day it will be one of you. that usually happens to the self righteous in society.

Mommy she just called us a libtard!!

I hope it is not breaking the law to be one I might get beaten up?

my point is some of those comments came from another article that again had nothing to do with this one. it was an article about the double murder in Machias. and one of the victims was David Claroni's best friend. if you are real professional people that you claim you are you would realize that maybe some of those comments were made from bitter women that david had relations with. Regardless anyone with a sense of know how would pass that off as too hostile to even try to use as an issue to debate.

its gossip at its best.

oh and just because I no longer live in Washington County doesnt mean I still do not have ties to the area. I have family members there that are active members of the community and friends too. I have deeper ties with Washington County than I do with Kennebec County. So I am far from out of touch when it comes to my home.

You just don't get the bigger picture .....

there is no bigger picture to get.

How sad.....

do i know there are dirty cops? of course. Do I think David Claroni is one of them ? No Do I think the police in general in washington county need a once over maybe even a twice over? sure , Do I believe that David or anyone else could have stopped donnie from driving drunk? No , his ex wife tried to stop him for years it was just a matter of time before something like this happened. all the other times he flew under the radar. Do I feel that the bartender should be questioned about this matter? yes I do. Do I think sometimes justice is not served? 100 percent yes. that is all the stuff I get regarding this event. I am trying to understand your warped sense of what is going on here and its just not so. Sometimes when things like this happen there are no conspiracy theories going on. My best friend that I have known my whole life was married to Donnie. Sure I have a bias right there but I know what she went through with him and believe me that man is far from innocent.

hey Claroni what goes around must come around for every bad deed u have done u get back , same goes for wise who is your backup when trying to hurt kids, i seen enough to make me puke, someday u both will lose that badge for be so crooked.. what we"re you doing in the bar??? lousy job in stopping someone 10 miles later, but then again u are no robo cop that u think u are!!!!!

HJA - Thank you for finally sharing your experience and opinion without attacking others and their opinions!!!! :)

you can honestly call someone who disagrees with you attacking you? Honey you have more of a life to live if you thought for one second I was or anyone else was attacking you. I may disagree with you but attacking you? oh that is rich.

I am sitting here with a local citizen - a well educated, professional individual - whose career would be drastically devastated by DUI.

He has personal knowledge of Washington County's aggressive and intimidating law enforcement members' mannerisms.

His experience includes this:

"Upon the local law officers approach" of said law abiding individual, "who was not afraid or intimidated or had anything to hide "- being well aware of his rights and responsibilities as a law abiding citizen; found himself a victim of police escalation in an incident which left him in a no win situation other than very costly for him to prove his innocence. Who shall compensate "wronged" falsely accused citizen?? Not just from a monetary point - but with public apology - after his name was smeared all over the news unjustly??

Who shall discipline these officers for such behavior? If we, as citizens don't censure this behavior - it will only lead to more aggression and violence for both officials and citizens Leaving neither having civil trust in each other.

That’s how war starts, terrorism breeds and revolts begin...........

Albeit this not directly related to the story - there is more than meets the eye to the many who have made comment about the actions of local officers, leaving many questions from those who have experienced seemingly of abuse of power, bullying and just wrongful enforcement of the law.

no one is saying that abuse of power doesnt exist because it does we see it every day from the larger scale way down the line to the smaller scale. I am not saying any man regardless if he is a police officer or not is perfect either. with that being said there is no reason to go around the coffe cup hunting the handle by trying to prove credibility with so called interviews at your home at 1 am in the morning either.

I'm not sure of the exact quote but to say that the person in the

article was probably functioning OK because the bartender didnt notice

and kept serving him, therefore the officer didnt notice him is

probably false. I dont know one way or the other. What I do know is

Washington county is poor and local business are struggling to stay

afloat. I've personally witnessed the bartenders in this bar overserve

persons who had obviously all ready had way too much.

Two particular evenings stick out in my mind.

While waiting at the bar with my wife for the bartender to bring us our

drinks, a man sitting next to us started heaving. He reached for a

partially full drink (that belonged to another lady sitting at the bar)

and proceeded to hurl into into the glass. The vomit overflowed onto

the the bar and started making its way towards us.

The bartender (a young man who looked to be barely over the legal age

to drink) handed him a napkin. After the man wiped the vomit from his

face, he ordered another Jack and coke. Now you'd think that the

bartender would have told him he'd had enough and asked him to leave,

but neither happened. He was served again and again until he passed out

in a back corner. My wife was concerned and questioned the bartender.

His response "dont worry, happens all the time"

A few months later my wife and I came home to visit again. We went out

to dinner at the Town House and later walked to the other bar. At the

time, the Black Bear, now Scooters, was closed down.

We went to the bar and found a table and had a great time shooting the

breeze with old friends we rarely get to see. A while later my wife and

her cousin went to use the restroom and came back with a strange look

on their face. There was a young girl passed out in one of the stalls,

covered in vomit, wrapped around the flush with her pants still

partially down. Her friends were trying to get her up but they were

tanked as well.My wifes cousin informed the bartender who just

shrugged his shoulders and told the other bartender to go look into it.

About 30minutes later, a man showed up (I'm assuming a relative or

boyfriend) and had to carry her out the back door. Neither bartender

seemed to notice.

The bar fights also seem to be a regular occurance due to the tension

between the Natives and locals. and before any claims thats a racist

remark, dont bother. My wife is half native from the southwest and we

have 2 children.

I really dislike talking bad about any of the local businesses where I

grew up, but I have to wonder if the owners are even aware of what goes

on.

Had a liquor inspector been in there either night they would have

certainly been fined a hefty amount, probably lost their liqour license

and could have possibly even been shut down.

Maybe the incident in the article or the comments that followed will

change they way the place is run. If it doesnt, maybe the owners need

hire some more mature responsible bartenders.

At least Phil will close down around 11pm if there isnt enough business

to stay open until closing. He doesnt seem to put up with the drunken

brawling either. If a fight breaks out its handled swiftly and those

involved are usually barred from returning. The Town House seems as

though its the only place left where you can go to have a good time

without the tension and drama. I admire Phil for trying to keep things

this way too.

I am not here to disparage your experience because that is all your own. I know the parties that were invovled in this article. Even though you yourself have never seen a person that had too many to drink handle their own there will be a first time for everything. This one particular person is no stranger to the bottle and has a history of driving drunk previous to this. This was the time it all caught up with him in a big way. I personally have seen people continue to drink and drink and drink and are able to cary on conversations and are able to walk with no stagger at all. The scary thing is when people act this way it shows their experience with the bottle and its only matter of time before the alcohol catches up with them. Now with that being said nowhere in the paper does it say what his behavior was before he left the bar. If his demeanor was no different than anyone having drank one drink it maybe the reason no one knew it was him that smashed the officers jeep until they found the license plate belonging to the drunk driver. The worst thing people can do is over think this and try to put things together that were honestly not there.

I want to know why the Hightower isn't being held responsible for serving someone that intoxicated, aside from that this man is going through a divorce and Super Dave just happened to be around sounds just like him, and don't worry about the 5000.00 worth of damage to the Jeep he got it as a freebie from his former girlfriend named Tina who was just convicted of stealing 195,000.00 from the Calais Childrens Project.

How can you state trying to put things together were "honestly not there?"

1. Drunk Man

2. Bartender/Server at the bar

3. Patrons in the bar

4. ..............Shall I go on?

ok you are right truthseeker but how about this for a theory. I bet it was that ignorant bartender that poured the alcohol down donnie's throat, and the big ol mean police officer holding him down to drink it all and then the big bad mean officers put poor donnie in his truck and turned it on and you know what that big bad mean old police officer did next? He put a brick on the gas of the truck. shame on the bartender and police officer and even the tooth fairy for that matter. and you know what I think i have an issue with the people that work at Marden's in Calais too because they live there too why didnt they stop Donnie?

“The worst thing people can do is over think this"

WOW - So I suppose............. that the next time you see an intoxicated member of your community ready to get into his vehicle - That you wouldn't be thinking....something…………Anger - A waste of your tax dollars cause the local police have to constantly "chase that one down” leaving little time to work on the really important stuff….. or how about OMG my kids on the way home from the movies preschool in my best friends new van and that drunken driver he could kill someone driving in that condition... ---- Something? Anything??

.......... and really to be fair to your local LEO's......... your thought might want to also include.....--- had one of my local law enforcement professionals been at or in the same vicinity and neglected to act and something more DID happen.... --- that would be an over thought?

oh and jeter I think you have point. I remember in 8th grade David broke my science project too I think that shows proof of the type of person Mr claroni is. Oh and I remember in 8th grade when I came down with chicken pox he called my house just to say hi spot. That police officer is as crooked as they come now that I think about it. His personal life should speak volumes about his work with the Calais police station. I think I am going to drive my happy selt all the way to Calais just to make a complaint on him for it. Would it be dumb of me to state my real name however?

OH MY WORD truthseeker i never thought of it that PRAISE THE LORD I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!! and you know what else truthseeker, I think that bar should be shut down for force feeding alcohol to their patrons HOW DARE THEY!!!! Quick get on the phone and call your laywer friend from the ACLU because we have an assumed police brutality case ready to build we better jump on it before Joe Bornstein does.

1 800 winwin 1

oh and you know its George W Bush's fault too. He was the one that called the Calais Police station to help this bartender force feed alcohol to Donnie. They Picked David simply because they felt out of all their officers he had the poorest dating history. Because we all know that if you have a hard time in personal relationships that is one the signs they look for to profile men who use police force and brutality.

Who drove drunk that night? Who made the decision to drive to the bar, and then get drunk, knowing they didn't have a sober driver? Who made the decision NOT to get a sober driver? Even if he hadn't planned on drinking when he went into town that night, he didn't get drunk instantly. From the moment he took that first sip until the end of the night he had plenty of time to either find a driver or stop drinking.. Donnie chose to continue drinking, to the point where he "blacked out". He is the one that smashed his truck into Dave Claroni's Jeep three times. Yes, that may not have been a consious decision, but the decision to DRINK, knowing he didn't have any other way to get home, was his, and his alone. Officer Claroni's past has NOTHING to do with that decision. And people quite freqently walk between Scooters and the Hightowers, and several eye witnesses that night saw Officer Claroni at both establishments.. So far no witnesses have come forward saying that Officer Claroni watched Donnie stumble out of the bar, obviously obliverated, and climb behind the wheel. Everyone is speculating, spouting off their "what ifs". Heres my "what if": What if Donnie HAD killed someone that night?? Would the people who commend him for coming on here and apologizing be as forgiving? Its awful easy to log on to the bdn comment section the next day and apologize.. The hard decision is being strong enough NOT to make idiotic decisions in the first place.

Finally someone talking some sense. ^5 fearless.

You are absolutly right in saying it was Donnie's fault... it sure was. But by Law the bars serving too much alcohol are as well at fault. I only know that because I took the TIPS Cert. that was held at the Hightower.( I was not an employee of theirs). Some people when they are drinking don't know when enough is enough that is why it is important for a bartender who is of sound mind to make that call for him.... Too many times i watched them worry about their cash rather than the health and well being of the patrons leaving at the end of the night. In fact I watched Eric kick a girl out that was asking for him to call a Taxi.

yeah i was wondering about that. When I worked in a reg. convience store we had to make some judgement calls as to who we wont sell alcohol to and sometimes you would have the random drunk guy in the store trying to buy a 12 pack and it was up to us to use our judgement because at the end of the night the money from a bad sale isnt worth the long term price everyone pays not just the company i worked for.

Nicely put, It could have been worse then just a couple of vehicles demolished!!!

100 percent jeter. someone was looking out for a foolish drunk driver that night.

OK HeatherJAugusta...you have way too much time on your hands...get over it and get a life...focus on your own instead of other people's lives and "because I know these people" ...so does that make you special??? apparently you think it does!

lol not nearly as special as you apparently think it does.

oh and one more thing, it doesnt really take up a lot of my time to type in public forums. I dont feel I am sticking my nose where it doesnt belong since its a public forum that anyone can say what they want. Obviously I mean they let you spout off.

as far as my life is concerned lol its called mutitasking my dear watson.

I am truly amazed at some of the comments in this thread. Donald's character has been attacked, Dave's character has been bashed, and many things that don't even pertain to this particular news story have been brought into this forum - and for what purpose? Seriously speaking, this thread has become quite a joke.

Each and every person is entitled to his/her own opinion, this I know and understand. However, look at the absolute mess that posters have made here. (No, I'm not talking about grammar and spelling mistakes either.) For once, I would like to log onto this site and see an article such as this not junked up with posts that do not lend to the spirit of the news report itself.

Bickering back and forth with each other doesn't change what happened. A man made a grave mistake in getting behind the wheel while intoxicated, and Donald LaViolet actually came to this thread, posted his thoughts, and accepted responsibility for what he did. Dave Claroni has nothing to apologize for, where this case is concerned, other than having parked his Jeep in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yet, the "argument culture" took over once again and made a disaster of this thread.

Fact is fact, opinion is opinion - but, slander and complete disregard for your fellow human is a totally and completely different story. Please try to be mindful of that when posting thoughts on news articles, and especially when posting directly to each other.

HeatherJAugusta, I have no idea how you ever came to the conclusion that I know no one but you has ever witnessed someone who could consume large amounts of alcohol and continued on without obvious impairment. Actually, that is quite a naïve assumption. Most people over the age of 30 have a pretty sufficient understanding of tolerance. I have a brother-in-law who starts drinking the moment he wakes and drinks straight through the day. The only noticeable indication he even been drinking is the stench.

This bar has shown a history of over serving their patrons. The drunk driver in question exited the bar at closing (according to the article) and immediately began ramming another vehicle and continued to recklessly drive another 10 miles on his rim until he ultimately crashed. Common sense tells us he was NOT in good form when he left and utlimately became a lethal weapon.

Stormwatch, I've read through most of the comments and I do agree that some are very obnoxious. People have the right to express their opinion but I don’t believe idol gossip has any place in a public forum. Those who claim to personally know those involved should NOT be discussing the personal lives of the officer or the drunken drive as it is inappropriate and irrelevant. Nevertheless, the incident has been reported, and the fact that an officer’s was vehicle was involved has made this bigger news. I consider this forum to be in place that others may express their thoughts on this, or their individual experiences that may somehow relate to various circumstances surrounding the article and the commentary that followed. The community should take a look at how some things could be changed to avoid something like this from happening again. Next time we may be reading about fatalities instead of minor injuries. It is very realistic to believe an establishment licensed to serve liquor take that accountability very seriously when others establishments take responsibility in doing so.

Donnie LaViolet is ultimately responsible for his own actions, there’s no question about that, but when a person goes into a public establishment, drinks to oblivion, walks out of a public establishment, gets in his vehicle and only moments later begins ramming a parked Jeep, its very reasonable to consider that he could’ve been over served. There have been more than a few bartenders post in this forum that have stated the laws with respect to serving drunken patrons. There are training requirements. There are insurance requirements and requirements from insurance companies. There is a civil responsibility to the public should you wish to hold a liquor license. This is not comparable to persons who drink at home or at camp for the weekend.

Look, I hate nanny laws as much as the next, because there IS a fine line between keeping peace and stepping too far into people's lives.

But, for people who think and care about self and others at least somewhat, laws and consequences have proven to work. They remind us of responsible, acceptable behaviors. For example, speeding laws remind us to slow down; stop/go lights help control driving patterns and remind us to watch out for others, drunk driving laws remind us to curtail how much we drink before driving. These laws "work" to prevent most people from slipping up and that's a good thing.

But for some people, addiction to alcohol, trying to up sales, and ignorance or denial about the harm of drinking and driving wins out over common sense. For these people laws and sanctions are a necessity and must be regularly enforced in order to be effective.

Even with our existing drink/drive laws too many people are addicted, ignorant or in denial about alcohol. These people really need a law that has some teeth in it and is enforced, and addicted people need access to affordable treatment. It will never completely take away the problem because some people will never learn or slip through the cracks, but it makes a measurable dent and that's worth a lot.