Battle heats up as same-sex marriage bill printed

Let the people vote on it! Oh, we have already done that ..........TWICE. Now they will just try and sneak it through legislation when no one is paying attention.

It's a shame to waste the people of Maine's time and money fighting over all this nonsense that is only keeping people at each other's throats and not accomplishing a useful thing.

If the churches can't keep their own people in line why should they be able to rule and ruin other people's lives?

The Catholic Church has fallen a great distance since I was a child who made my First Communion and Confirmation with pride

The Catholic Church has become a bad joke that, like annoying relatives, fewer and fewer people will want to even be bothered with

I never condemned other religions in the past even when I was told to do so by the Catholic Church but, I'm finding it easier and easier to do so as this mind control fights goes on and on.

The sad part of it is, I'm also losing any respect that remains in my mind for the Roman Catholic Church along with all the other religions in general.

Perley J. Thibodeau

New York, New York

Mainelyme

Here's the direct link to LD#1020: (can't _BDN_ folks *embed* a simple contextual deep link within an article)?

http://tinyurl.com/bpdtoc

Mutty's homophobia is showing again...heterosexual couples in ME do NOT ever need to marry in a church.

Pffffffffffffffft.

Domestic partnerships in ME are for both heteros and GLBTQ folks "as is" (and they don't compare in the least to legal & fiscal rights afforded by marriage).

...nor will they need clergy if LD#1020 passes...it's called "choice," Mutty (I realize that's a foreign concept to misogynist, Bishop Richard Malone).

See "I'll take Equal Protection Clause for $500.00, Alex."

Read the damned LD#1020 legislation, folks (esp. homophobic & misogynistic Heath, Mutty, & Malone).

http://tinyurl.com/bpdtoc

Their ongoing ignorance is simply astounding.

Hey Damon: What have you done to create jobs for the 100 people recently layed off in your home town? Nothing? Too busy wasting time on BS like this? I thought so! You are a PUBLIC servant, stop serving your own interests!

I'm only gonna let myself say three things...

#1 - NO GAYS IN MAINE

#2 - "Codify - - make the definition marriage between two people." What if a guy thinks a dog is a "person". Will he be able to marry the dog.

#3 - Does anyone else not see the GAY AGENDA as being morally and undeniably wrong? Dick-Butt

cpatian_obvious: Obviously you don't understand that gays and lesbians live in Maine already and some of us were born and raised here. Just because someone 'thinks' a dog it human does not make it so. Where did you find a copy of the Gay Agenda -I'd like to read it. And you're last little comment is out of order.

Mainefem - because I have said that I will address comments from both sides - we are not helping anyone by using the word homophobia.

captainobvious/kingofmaine/whateveryournameis: You are a small child with a small mind. Go back to the sandbox and stop biting Jimmy.

This scum of the earth is just like the wild turkeys in my back yard. No matter what you try, they just won't go away. Marriage has already been defined, and it is the only definition.

My opinion is, no one else should receive any special privileges in law until Father's Rights are reviewed and either established, or reestablished with respect to equal time with their children after separation from their children’s mothers, be it ex-wives or significant others. GLBTQ’s should support this effort to receive support in return from fathers, for their goals. I’ve been pestering religious leaders to support this type of legislation for over five years only to be accused of being controlling, abusive, self-centered and on and on. I’m not any of these things as people who truly know me would tell you. What I am is a father who feels like a distant Uncle to his own flesh and blood since he was four. An awkward feeling not unlike what a gay man might feel like as a gatecrasher at an all-heterosexual male function. I’m not sure of any heterosexual men who will support their cause if Father’s Rights were established into law, but it certainly couldn’t hurt if an outpouring from the GLBTQ community were to help implement it. That is all I’ve been asking religious leaders do. I’m neither homophobic nor a misogynist, but with the lack of support out there, I’m considering. I have a problem only with white male Dads being the last group to be recognized as ‘needing’ before other special interest groups prevail.

A quote from a well-known minister: “Often it is the single voice of a lone man or woman, sticking out in a crowd. It takes courage to speak out when it’s easier to keep still. It takes guts to stand up when you’re standing alone.”

People we can't let this happen, we need to make our voices heard by calling our representatives and legislators. This is not only bad for maine but bad for our country. The people have voted this down, We do not want this. It will affect you personally contrary to what the homosexuals tell you. Don't believe the lie that you are hateful for not condoning this.

Opinion : Mike Heath

The End of Gender

Those involved in the battle against same-sex marriage often hear gay rights activists ridicule traditional marriage as "Ozzie and Harriet" marriages, or the traditional family as "Father Knows Best" families.

In a column I wrote last summer, I predicted that the loss of the traditional definition of marriage would lead to families headed by two fathers or two mothers, which I called an unspeakable absurdity. I did not go far enough in my prediction. Senator Damon's bill to legalize same-sex marriage will lead to even more bizarre consequences. When I read the bill for the first time, my reaction was one of disbelief. I immediately sent a copy of the bill to an attorney to verify that what I was reading was true.

One clue to solving a mystery is to look for the information that is deliberately omitted. What has been left out of the debate over Senator Damon's bill is that the bill will not only change the definition of marriage, it will also change the meaning of the words "mother" and "father" and all similar words in all Maine laws.

Mar 11, 2009 - 10:50:16 AM

Charges dropped

against jailed dad

Massachusetts man arrested for protest

of homosexual kindergarten curriculum

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Posted: October 20, 2005

6:23 pm Eastern

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David Parker, parent of kindergartner, stands before Judge Robert McKenna in Concord District Court April 28 after spending the night in jail (Photo: Article 8 Alliance)

A Massachusetts district attorney dropped its case today against a father arrested while attempting to secure a promise from school officials to notify parents before teaching about homosexuality in his son's kindergarten class.

David

4Him - I've read the bill thanks to some posting a link to it - I am sure you have read it also - maybe I am missing something - what is Mr. Heath citing when he talks about "the bill will not only change the definition of marriage, it will also change the meaning of the words "mother" and "father" and all similar words in all Maine laws."

NEWS OUTRAGE!

Tough-guy firefighters forced into 'Gay Pride' parade

File lawsuit against city after enduring 3 hours of lewd remarks, gestures

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Posted: August 07, 2007

1:00 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com

Editor's Note: WARNING – Some content in this article is graphic.

Participant in 2006 San Diego Pride Festival

Four firefighters are suing the city of San Diego for being forced by their superiors to attend the annual "Gay Pride" parade where they endured a barrage of sexual taunts and lewd gestures.

San Diego's fire chief, Tracy Jarman, is an open lesbian who called the July 21 parade a "fun event" in which "all employees are encouraged to participate."

But the firefighters said, unlike previous years, they were ordered into uniform to participate in the parade in their fire truck, despite their repeated protests.

and more.....

"This was a clear case of sexual harassment in violation of state and federal law as well as the City's own code of conduct," he said.

LiMandri said the firefighters also were targets of sexual gestures, including exposure of genitals, blowing kisses, grabbing of the crotch, rubbing of nipples, tongue gestures and men hugging and kissing one another passionately – many wearing make-up and dressed like women.

we have voted on the twice before and it was defeated. if it passed i wouldn't bithc and complain because THE VOTER would have had the say.

what is wrong with the people in and around ellsworth do keep voting this tax cheat into office.

4Him - regarding the father of the kindergartner - do you think his religious beliefs excuse his behavior in front of students? I agree that the school is at fault for not notifying parents by the way.

regarding the firefighters - As I've said before they should not have been forced to be in the parade - the sexual harassment cited in the article - do you believe that it goes both ways - as in homosexuals receiving the same sort of abuse from heterosexuals?

Where do we find a list of these 64 bozo's that are gong against the will of Maine voters?

I would like to offer a suggestion... lets just keep the ban on gay marriage BUT lets institute a BAN ON ALL RELIGION. Lets close down churches, mosques, temples etc. Lets make make printing or possessing copies of the bible, koran, torah etc illegal. After all religion is a choice. You are not born religious. It is the cause of wars and terrorism. The catholic church harbors pediophiles. This is fair...dont you think?

lyndenmi, whether you agree with what happened doesn't change the fact that it did happen and it will happen here. Imagine a mainer being forced to take part in a gay pride parade against his will. We should have heterosexual parades and force you to march in them, jeer and taunt you. We heterals would be arrested, but somehow a gay person can get away with it. Nothing fair about that, but this really isn't about fairness after all.

Pastor's Update

Equal, Not Special Rights

Below is a little insight into the mind of gay rights advocates:

- “The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome…”

- “Seek desensitization and nothing more, if you can get them (straights) to think homosexuality is just another thing meriting no more than a shrug of the shoulders your battle is virtually won”

- “Our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof”

Another tactic they use, affiliated with the lack of proof is to claim that historical figures may have been gay. They choose the iconic-positive symbols of America and associate them with homosexuality. In turn they give sincere followers of Christ, names like religious fanatic and homophobe.

4Him - you did not answer to whether or not the sexual harassment goes both ways - is it right for either? I think lewd and abusive language by either side should be punished.

LEAVE MAINE ALONE !!! WE DON'T WANT SAME SEX MARRIAGES !! THERE WAS ADAM & EVE..NOT JUST 2 ADAMS. NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE TODAY.TAKE A BREAK & KEEP TO YOURSELFS..OH I FORGET THEY HAVE MORE RIGHTS THEN THE STRIGHT MAN OR WOMAN. SAD !!!

Good Lord 4him2day.... I find your comments about “The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome…” amusing. I am SICK AND TIRED of constantly having to listen to preachers on TV and radio spouting off about JESUS JESUS JESUS. I have had Jehovahs Witnesses come to my house. There is far more religion being crammed down our throats then those folks seeking the right of marriage. You should really think about what you are saying... you are so OBVIOUSLY hypoctrical.

Here we go again... cold in maine... we don't want YOUR religion running things in Maine. More rights... you are too funny. RELIGION has a stanglehold on this nation that needs to be broken. Are willing to give up your rights to worship as you choose? If not, STOP trying to prohibit things that make other people happy

downeast, jehovah witnesses bother me as much as they do you, as do many of the tele-evangelists. You are free to change the channel or radio station at any time. If this homosexual marriage goes thru, there will be no turrning back. It will affect everyone, including the traditional family. We can't grow weary and give in, you will be sorry you did.

When the Catholic Church can keep it's priests hands out of little boy's pants, I'll listen to what they have to say about moral issues. In the meantime, let gay people do what they do. They are going to do it anyway. Who cares? Only the uptight closet homosexuals. Don't worry, they won't lure you into a life of shame.

freedomfighter I want to see that list if 64 also... Someone find and post please....

Marc Mutty, Spokesman Roman Catholic Diocese of Maine

You really look like a rough looking old drunk.

Tired of beating your wife and kids and now you want to run the Catholic Church?Y

You certainly look like a good candidate.

Have another drink and grab another innocent altar boy.

God's in His heaven and all's not well with the earth.

Mainlyme

lyn...I'll answer. Sexual harrassment goes both ways and it's wrong. It shouldn't happen to anyone. Legalizing same sex marriage makes a mockery of a marriage. It's redfining something.

The subject of bad peiests keeps coming up. Those of you who want gay marriage are doing the same thing as the priestswho committed grievious sin. The priest is bound to a sacrament. The sacrament of celibacy. They know the definition of the sacrament of the "priesthood" when they enter that sacrament. "Marriage" is a sacrament and those of you who want to allow same sex marriage are doing the same thing. You want live a lifestyle outside of what the sacrament and definition of what the institution of marriage allows.

Go ahead and start ranting ........

Elizabethann - thank you for answering that question. I have no issue in not using the word 'marriage' - as there are many who disagree with it being used. If civil unions are expanded to include equal benefits under the government, I would hope that people would not have a problem with it.

I agree with equal rights...absolutely...but not under the institution of marriage. It is a sacrament.

Elizabethann: as far as the priests go - most of the issues have involved sexual abuse of children. i don't see where that abuse is similar to what you are saying about what we are asking for. Priests enter into priesthood voluntarily and are bound by the sacrament of celibacy by the nature of their faith.

Then let's write to our legislators asking that they expand the benefits of civil unions.

Have to go to work I'll respond later...

4him2day: Your cut and pastes have no bearing on gay marriage, they are just a few cases where intolerance flairs up and completely gets out of hand.

David Parker freaked out because his son came home with a book that mentioned a child who had two parents of the same gender. It was a book that promoted diversity in the real world.

Saying that the school was educating its students about homosexuality is like saying that "Grand Theft Auto" the popular yet violent video game teaches about how to kill cops because players can shoot animated police men and kill them in the game. (if you ask me, this is the type of stuff you should keep your kids away from...not the gays)

The firemen in question were on duty and paid to attend the parade as a saftey issue. I have a cut and paste below about a town trying to cancel their St. Patrick's Day parade for all the drunkenness and disorderly conduct happening by parade goers...certainly because it was a St. Patrick's Day party, most of those revelers were law abiding Roman Catholics

"At an emergency Quality of Life meeting held tonight, Hoboken's elected officials, police officers and bar owners discussed ways to reduce public disorder and drunken rowdiness during the annual St. Patrick's Day parade.

The city is seriously considering changing the parade to a Sunday or a weekday.

"Having it during the week would give people a chance to calm it down," said Public Safety Director Bill Bergin, who originally called for the parade to be canceled altogether. "A weekday parade would still honor the Irish tradition, but the biggest concern is the public's safety."

About 30,000 people descended on the city of Hoboken and its many bars this past Saturday for the parade. That's the biggest turnout yet, said Acting Hoboken Police Chief Robert Lisa. The city issued 402 $1,000 fines for things like drinking in public and public urination (that's more fines than preliminary numbers indicated). At the busiest time -- 4 p.m. Saturday afternoon -- there were 92 Hoboken cops on the street on Saturday, as well as additional law enforcement officers from NJ Transit, the Hudson County Sheriff's Office and the Port Authority."

And I took this from the Hoboken paper, not Wing Nut Daily, the paper of Christian Supremisists like yourself.

You go and live your life and I will live mine, but do not attenpt to quell my quest to achieve the same special rights you receive as a taxpayer in this country. I demand the same rights as you. I pay my taxes and am an American citizen and as such I should enjoy the same rights and freedoms that all other Americans enjoy.

Elizabethann: Allowing marriage equality is not redefining anything, what it actaully does is expand the institution of marriage to be all-inclusive....Everyone should be allowed to love and commit to that love...don't you agree?

seth, we know what you're about, now go try to rent those rooms nd make that almighty buck.

4Him, we know what you're about, now go read your fairy tales and remind yourself how vile everyone is but those just like you...

Anybody got any Stridex pads?

The Maine Defense of Marriage Act is weak and should be repealed anyway. If you truly cared about defending marriage this act would end all forms of divorce and or separation. Marriage is a life time commitment and should be enforced by law. Once married the state of Maine will defend this union until one partner dies. If either party violates the sanctity of this union as defined by the state that person should be arrested and possibly sent to jail. Let’s show the rest of this country how it should be done! Let’s show them how Mainers do it. We believe in the sanctity of marriage!

Seth - I understand that you are angry, as I am - the cut and pastes that are being used in my opinion are based on fears. When we try to show them stories through cut and paste - they seem to have the same reactions we do about theirs. If we continue to show our anger by calling the m names we re no better than they are. Earlier today - someone used an assumption about me to try to defend themselves and their belief without knowing or asking the facts. Although he admitted he didn't know the facts - he did not apologize but continued to judge my life and character. He basically is calling me a liar. Some people here will not and do not intend to treat to treat others with respect - but if we want to rise above their behavior we need to be respectful by example.

Mainelyme..........Call the nurse and have her bring you your medicine. It's way past time.

Gays are outnumbered, you'll never get the support needed in Maine. Move out and leave the rest of us to our "normal" lives please. You'll never see anyone with decent morals just shrug their shoulders. Gay marriage will be fought against with ferocious tenacity until it is no longer visible. We're tired of exposing our good families to the garbage you promote.

STAY IN THE CLOSET AND LEAVE US ALONE. KEEP YOUR AGENDA TO YOURSELVES. YOU ARE THE DIFFERENT ONES, NOT US. HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR OUR VALUES.

These legislatures will not be supported. Where are the names from the list. Can anyone get get ahold of this??

tedlick.............make sure mainleyme gets his meds this morning.

PLEASE LET'S PUT AN END TO THE NAME-CALLING.

whose calling names?

I treat everyone with respect. 4him2day has made it quite clear that Christianists are the superior beings in the USA and deserve special rights over all others. To me, he is a Christian Supremisist, much like the white supremisists we had during the 50s and 60s and into today. They are a dangerous bunch and should be called to task for what they are.

and to 4him2day: Whatever works baby, whatever works!

I did a little research last night and found out that TEDLICK and MAINELEYME are holed up at AMHI. Or at least that's what their comments would suggest.

sethayer......Christians are superior on many levels. We might not berate the Bible and the Church as well as you all but I'll give those to you.

Point taken Seth. I personally agree with you but then they take it as ammunition against us. Bigfoot - both sides are.

bigfoot - I think it has been proven here that not all Christians feel the same way as you and they have been berated because of it.

bigfootinheels

And where are you holed up?

The county jail?

Mainelyme

The people of Maine should get another Vote on it. Instead a select few want to shove it down the throats of others. But one thing to remeber that if you legally get to amrry then you also have to legally get a divorce. Child support, split of assets etc. More time and money tied up in Maines court systems.

bigfootinheels

How original but wrong.

Mainelyme takes his meds at night.

All that Cardio Vascular medication proves that he still has a heart!

As the drill instructors used to say in the Marine Corps, "Are you queer for my gear, boy?"

Mainelyme

SETHAYER..........you don't deserve to have your marriage recognized as such. gays don't deserve that recognition. it's reserved for the moral and rightous, because it's upheld by the moral and rightous. you don't understand the very basic meaning of Holy Matrimony. It's not to be made a mockery of by a bunch of people who can't control their urges.

pcme - don't forget that the people denied protections under the Maine Human Rights Act - more than once before it finally passed. Hopefully this will be signed by the governor and the fear that is being shoved down the throats of what your imaginations are forecasting will prove to be as false as they are.

However, I do believe you should have certain civil rights.

bigfootinheels

You'd better get some bigger heels, dearie, the ones you are wearing are so tight they're cutting off the blood circulation to what should be your brain!Mainelyme

lyndenmi......get that book yet?

Biigfootinheels, So the gays are outnumbered in Maine, perhaps just as the Jews were outnumbered in Germany and it is therefore ok to deny them rights and further to treat them as we wish? You folks must learn what the word "rights" mean. Mine should not be greater than yours or anyone elses. The consequences of gays marrying number one: gays will marry.

bigfoot - not yet, haven't had time to look it up online and live a couple of hours from a bookstore.

mainelyme...........your time in New York has been detrimental to your good Maine brain.

You're almost as funny as the dice man but not quite.

westie............the problem is gay marriage will never be accepted by Christians, it's against the rules. So they will always have trouble getting equal rights. Black civl rights movement was a just cause, everyone could see like Abe Lincoln that is was wrong to deny a certain color skin civil rights, having a different skin color is not morally wrong.

Women voting is also not morally wrong.

However, homosexuality is morally wrong. It's like comparing apples to oranges, these issues are not even in the same realm. Why do you think it's been so difficult to be accepted. It will never happen as long as there are Godfearing people on the face of this earth. It goes against every religion, unless there is a gay religion I don't yet know about.

bigfoot - I think that there have been some Christians posting here in the past who are heterosexual that feel this is right, but have been blasted by other Christians.

I would like a gay person to answer these questions for me.

Why can't a gay person accept his or her affliction and live out their life with humility and dignity without exposing us and our children to their affliction?

Can a gay person really truly not be happy unless he has a marriage certificate in his hands? I don't understand.

What specific rights do you not have because you're not married?

If you can't get into the hospital to see your injured loved one because you are not married, take it up with the hospital not the state?? Has that attempt been made?

yeah but, if you are truly a Christian you can't waffle on this subject. The definition of Marriage is considered sacred as a Christian, there cannot be any wiggle room or you would be denying that definition and the oath you take when you marry.

bigfootinheels .... not according to to the prevailing opinions at the time. The overwhelming number of southern (as well as some northerrn) reverends preached that interracial marriage was against the Bible and backed that up with scripture, as you are now. The same for the holocaust. What you wish to believe in the Bible can be supported by whatever page flops open. I know you've seen the comments regarding selling your children and enslaving your neighbor. Take the high road by what is right, not by what is quoted. And what is right is that "rights" are afforded to everyone, not just those we pick and choose.

Just like you can't be a follower of Christ in the true sense and support abortion. It goes against the whole dogma of conception.

I will only answer the first question: I do not have a affliction. I do not have a genetic disorder nor do I have a mental illness. I am trying to live my life with humility and dignity everyday. I do not tell everyone I meet that I am lesbian. I do not expose anyone - not even my family to shows of affection.

Westie..........those reverends were radicals and corrupt, like Jeremiah Wright, and are taken lightly.

Let's get back to mainstream and stop grabbing at straws.

bigfootinheels.... shall I also submit?

And I do not believe you can be a Christian in the true sense if you treat those who are different that you as less than.

lyndenmi...........is it hard to do that? or are you unhappy and feeling like you're cheated out of certain emotions?

No offense in those questions to you.

1. It's not an "affliction".

2. I am happy... but our financial commitments to one another are not protected and we do not receive the same guarantees under the government. It is disconcerting to know that our time together means nothing in the end due to the intolerance of others.

3. There are over 1000 guarantees under the Federal government alone that are extended to married couples. It's available online, but I don't have the link handy. It's a PDF... look for it.

4. The hospital is currently defended by the state, who trumps the hospital's desires. That's where it must start.

Now, you answer some questions for me:

1. Why aren't you challenging the Federal government for allowing someone to choose (yes, it's a choice after all) a god other than yours, if yours is the only one that's right?

2. Why are you so convinced that our civil law is based on your religion?

3. Who is victimized if two consenting adults live out their lives together in love and commitment?

4. Why do you stand so strong against gays and not jews, scientologists, muslims, hindus or harri krishnas?

It is hard to do that, live with humility and dignity, when ones character and personal beliefs are attacked everyday and one is treated as less than and without respect.

lyndenmi It is no fear that I have. It is just the truth if you want they want equal rights then ALL the same rights will have to be taken. Not just the ones that they want. Child support will have to be paid if a child is brought into the relationship etc. Higher cost for medical etc. Not given special rights just because someone is gay.

lyndenmi do you actually think that people are going to think diffrent of same sex couples because a law is passed? If so you are not living in this time period.

Peoples personal character and personal beliefs are attacked everyday, will still happen after if this bill is passed.

pcme - do you not think we know the financial and legal undertakings and all that goes into it? I don't know what 'special rights' you are talking about? I am not asking for anything to be 'given' to me - except the same rights and privileges that I enjoyed when I was married to a man.

No pcme I don't think that people are going to think differently - it is quite obvious from the addition to the Maine Human Rights Act. It is also still evident by the way people of other races, religions, etc are treated. I'm not naive - I'm pushing 50. As far as character and personal beliefs being attacked is concerned you are correct - but that doesn't make it right from any perspective.

If anyone runs into 4Him - ask him to read from Revelations Ch 7 and 14 and tell me again that the 144,000 is not in scripture. Thank you

Westie..........just be sensible

Hey Folks, contrary to popular belief, Maine voters have never voted on marriage equality, though Michael Heath would have you think so. Check it out, google it, do whatever you need to verify this. Maine voters have never voted on marriage equality.

Seriously. Everyone who has ever stated that because of the union of two men or two women, that marriage will become a non-sacred union have got to be joking. Since when has marriage ever saved a child's life? Men an women get divorced every day, hell, every hour. Marriage is just another way for the religious fanatics to try to control things. Give me a break. A child will be just as well nurtured and a marriage's "duties" just as well carried out, between two people of the same sex. Get over it already. No one is going to die. No one is going to be harmed. Hell, in some cases people getting divorced is better for the child. Sometimes people get married for the wrong reasons. Staying married because of children, and not having a partnership that works, is a wrong reason as well. No children are going to be destroyed when Brad and Tim walk down the aisle. What has destroyed children is brainwashing them into thinking that everything is a sin and they're all going to hell in a hand basket if they don't stop touching themselves. Good grief. This bill has not "snuck up". Hmmm..wonder why there are no Republicans who are for the bill? Maybe because Republicans are snotty-too good for anyone else-let's run the state from the bible-close minded people. Ok, well not ALL of them, but the majority. Get off your high horses. Stop judging people. I hope when you get to your so called heaven, god looks at you and says "Umm, sorry, you can't come in, you judged people, and that was my job. Good luck down in the fires." Ha.

As for the guy who thinks that someone is going to claim a dog for a human: stupid. A person is a person. Just because you think that two people of the same sex marrying will lead to some guy wanting to marry his dog, or the ending of the world as we know it, I give you the idiot award. People have been doing sick things like having intercourse and relationships with animals for centuries. No one is going to say "A dog is a person." Stop wasting air and go volunteer at an animal shelter. Pfft.

People who want same sex marriage do not want special treatment. They want the SAME treatment. Do you think that when two same sex people have/adopt children, that they don't have the same love and feelings for that child as two people of the opposite sex? Do you really think that if those two same sex people divorced, that just because they are gay, they won't love and support that child afterwards? Hell, people who are divorced and are of opposite sex have made ruckus about the children and paying child support. To say that some gay people will, well, they'd only be following suit.

Your "marriage" is not sacred. Hell, if I can go get married right now in Vegas to some guy who is trashed and won't remember my name the next day, how the hell do you have anything to say? Marriage has just become a routine, something to celebrate the forming of two into one, and to give each person benefits in life for having done so. People who are in this community show love just the same as same sex people. The way that they have physical relationships and intimacy is no ones business, as is it's no one's business what a same sex couple do in the confines of their own homes.

lyndenmi, your acting juvenile. I never stated it wasn't in the bible, I said it's the johovah witnesses that claim there's only 144,000 that are going to heaven. thank-you

lyndenmi: Tell it to bigfoot..I think bigfoot and 4him2me inhabit the same body if not the same mind

and I never said gay's are of any less worth than anyone else.

It is not I, sir, who is not being sensible. It is a question of reality and honesty. You are supporting your arguments with tenets found in a book while at the same time ignoring a multiple of laws stated in the same book. Is that sense?

This reminds me of telling a child that he/she is stupid or worthless for long enough and they start to believe it - some of you have been telling us that we are sick, perverted and worthless for hundreds and thousands of years. Some children come to realize that they were lied to and abused and come to know that they are not what they were told. Guess what - I've realized that I am not sick, perverted or worthless and I'm not going to take the abuse any longer.

Guess I'll have to go back and re-read it. I'm sorry if I read it wrong.

4him do you remember where you posted it?

4Him2day: PLEASE NOTE - and Elizabethann should too;

your = personal pronoun ie. your house your car.

you're = abbreviation ie you're acting juvenile.

yore = days of olde. In days of yore it was ok to discriminate against anyone with whom we disagreed.

Kate maybe thats what marriage means to you, thats not the way it was intended. And for the record kids are affected by divorce.

Lets take a look at this bill by Senator Damon. Lets peal a couple of layers off this bill and see what the true meaning of this bill is well well look at this Senator Damon term as Senator is up and so is Govenor Baldacci could it be he is trying to get some publicty for a run for Governor. Politicians like you to think they pass bill to help people that got them there in fact it is just a big show look what I did vote for me. If he wanted this bill why did he wait for his term to be up

westie, yore wright!

hey... bigfoot...

I answered your questions. Why haven't you answered mine?

Any substitute fundie would also be appropriate.

tedlick............I don't know how you'll take this in your straightjacket but I'll give it a shot.

1. I don't mind if the feds allow this, people that are ignorant to the teachings of Christ are not at fault, remember, you environment molds you, what you are taught is what you believe. God will have mercy on these people I'm sure. It's not up to the feds to regulate religion. It is up to the feds however to regulate morality and censor innapropriate behaviour.

2. Moot point, you've asked this many times, fact is, it is based on morals, not religion. One besets the other, morals are taught by religion as well, the connection you make is a stretch at best. If gay marriage weren't a moral issue we wouldn't be having this conversation for long, just like the civil rights movement. Not a moral issue, your different skin color does not constitute a degredation of morals. People could see through that smokescreen and blacks got what they deserved, their freedom.

3. The victims are all around you, our innocent children, our traditional families. If more people would act like lyndenmi and quietly go about their business I would have no qualms at all. It's when it gets sensationalized and paraded in front of innocent eyes that disgusts us. It's deemed acceptable by you and has been promoted to the point where there are no boundaries. It leaves us with little else to do but take a stand. Once we all get on board, the voice will be heard loud and clear, you may just be hindering your efforts drawing all this attention to yourselves.

4. I stand strong in my beliefs, whether that's against gays, jews, scientologists, muslims, hindus or harri krishnas doesn't matter to me.

4Him -earlier today you used an assumption to judge my character (leaving my husband for a woman) without knowing the facts - while you did admit that you didn't know the facts, you continued to question my character to my character and values. You never did apologize for your assumption. I have apologized to you on several occasions for my misunderstanding of your words. I have been accused of not speaking up when others have criticized your faith (ex. Christian supremacists) and have asked that we all stop the name-calling. I don't believe I am acting in a juvenile manner for expecting an apology from you on the attempted assassination of my character.

westie..........have I ever quoted the bible in here?

Lyndenmi, I'm sorry for making that wrong assumption on you leaving your husband.

lyndenmi.............you are exactly right about telling a child he/she is stupid.

The fault lies with the persecutor not the child. Same can be said for your situation. I'm glad you could finally understand that and "free" yourself if that's the right word.

I can say from your posts that you seem like and extremely respectable person. I'm sure you have many people around you that enjoy your company.

4him...........do you have kids?

bigfoot, tedlick's method never changes. He gets to make his point, you refute it, he calls you names. Then repeat.

"And for the record kids are affected by divorce. " Well duh, 4Him, we all know they are. That's not what I said. I said they aren't destroyed or die. Most of the time kids are affected because they think that they caused the divorce. If a marriage is not happy, the children are not going to be happy. When the people resolve to divorce or separate and become happy, children tend to become better emotionally as well. It also helps when they are assured that they are not the reason for the divorce. To use children as a reason for same sex couples to not get married is unreasonable. In fact, how does anyone know how children will be affected when there is not significant evidence on the divorce rate of same sex couples and the impact it will have on children?

"and I never said gay's are of any less worth than anyone else." Yes you do say this, 4Him, when you say that they cannot be married because they are gay. When you post on numerous accounts about how your values and morals trump those who do not believe the same thing as you do.

yeah, it's insanity, that's why I tease him about the straightjacket.

bigfoot yes I do

I'd have to agree...it's been voted on TWICE

its been defeated TWICE

it will not succeed

only gay women should marry... gay men is just nasty.... poop-dick

4him....do you feel the same way I do about exposing them to anything that corrupts their morals?

kate, they are the values and morals of the bible, that's where you argument rests. And no I do not think any less of them as a person, that is your take on it.

4him.................Not only does the use of the wrong word indicate an appalling lack of basic grammar, it also confuses the thoughts one is attempting to communicate. Language is what facilitates exchange of thought. Therefore, the obvious conclusion is . . .

bigfootinheels.............".if you are truly a Christian you can't waffle on this subject. The definition of Marriage is considered sacred as a Christian" Are you taking your laws from a source other than the Bible? I'd like to know what it could be.

Thanks bigfoot.

Just so you know, I do live my life "quietly go about my business". I've never been in a gay rights parade. I'd never been to a gay bar til I moved to Maine... and I didn't go back a second time.

I do not dress in drag. I do not talk to children about homosexuality. I do not kiss in public.

If you ever met me on the streets, you'd have no idea that I'm gay.

As for morality, it isn't the simple basis for law. It's immoral these days to smoke: ain't against the law. It's not against the law to drink yourself unconscious 5 nights a week, but to some it's immoral. It's not against the law to gamble, but many consider it immoral. Morality is far from regulated by the feds.

I consider it immoral to keep one class of citizens down based on the writings found in a 2000 year old book of fairy tales. But that's just me.

As for the moot point, it seems to me that if I were christian, I'd be chasing after people who know of Christ but choose another god. They're everywhere, all around you every day. But I'm thinking that's a bigger battle than you're willing to undertake. So, you go after who you perceive as easier and more repugnant in your own diminished sight.

And you come across sounding like an overweight Southern gent, sipping a mint julep and raging against the negro infestations.

It sounds in all honesty like the ravings of a schizophrenic off his meds.

Captain poop dick..........How lopsided were the votes do you know?

If gays marry, how do they figure out whose surname to take? Or do they form a hyphenated name?

Nice try Tedlick, your arguments have become pretty lackluster. I'm pretty sure I'm through with you. Take a stab at me some other day when you're feeling froggy again. Until then I'll keep my point sharpened.

As has been stated this issue has NEVER been voted on before ....... It was the Maine Human Rights Act.

4Him - thank you. But I urge you not to try an assassinate my character in regards to my beliefs again either.

4Him you run screaming through here plopping down scripture...vomiting about how gays are abominations. That's name calling to every gay person who's been trough here.

I've only called you names. I've made comparisons to the lunacy behind the concepts of others, yes, as they have to me. But you're the only one I've very called a name (well, except for raving about fundie lunatics).

Have a wonderful day my favorite little blackhead.

Bigfoot, I'm not sure how you stand on everything. Thats such a broad statement. My kids are pretty well rounded and quite knowledgeable about what goes on. They love and show respect to their gay uncle, its genuine on their part, he knows that. We sure need to keep our kids in prayer, they are living in tough times.

Westie............don't think you're more intelligent than anyone else here just because you have a thesaurus and a dictionary on hot standby. just keep the posts to the topic, not someone's shortcomings on spelling. i'd like to see your posts without your spellchecker turned on.

Let me ask you this, what is YOUR grand definition of marriage? And try to keep Vegas out if your reply.

Per the article, a same-sex marriage bill has rolled off the printing press. Who appears on the bill's face and what denomination is it? Is it legal tender for all debts, public and private?

I have no desire to stab you bigfoot.

But when this comes to pass as my faith demonstrates it will, I will have the last laugh. Not when Maine passes it, but when the Federal court system makes it so nation wide.

I'm thrilled that you find my arguments lackluster... even though you can't argue against it with anything but opinion and faith. As downeastdave pointed out so well earlier, there are oodles of folks here who have thought that about spewing christian morality for a long, long time.

I still take faith that history is in my corner.

lyndenmi, I apologized, accept it gracefully please. No need to threaten.

Tedlick, apart from Jesus you will never have peace in your life. Try as you might, it won't happen. You have a big chip on your shoulder.

and for the record I don't use spell check, so pardon my misteaks

bigfootinheels.... tsk, tsk have I hit a nerve? No, no thesaurus, just education. I like my marriage pretty well. Thirty-five years, two children, two grandchildren, lots of love - all of us are straight. Our differences lie in that I would not preclude others from enjoying the same. Vegas? Tsk, again - try Aroostook.

I wasn't threatening you 4Him - I was urging you to think about what you say when you are trying to assassinate a person's character. Which is what I believe you have been subtly doing. You have damned me for raising my children within a committed relationship, damned me for being homosexual (I will not go to heaven unless I repent my sinful ways) attacked my faith, and accused me of lying. That is what I consider attacking my character. You have judged me and made the decision that I am damned to hell - at least that is how I am reading what you have been saying to me.

westie - again we see judgments here based on perception and assumption. Thank you for your comments here and regarding this issue.

westie..............you don't have to educate the rest of us, thank you very much.

tedlick.........come back to me when you get some federal recognition, in the meantime i'll be watching and waiting.

bigfoot - I am a little confused by you - you say you love your niece but do not want your children exposed to her private life - and now I'm wondering if you want them exposed to her at all. I understand your beliefs about marriage and we agree on public shows of affection (at least I think we do) I understand that you think we should have equal rights under the law. We have had respectful conversations however you painted a brush on westie assuming because he/she supports the issue he/she is gay. When he/she states that that they are heterosexual with a spouse, children and grandchildren - you tell him/her that he/she doesn't need to educate the rest. Is that not what you have been trying to do - educate the rest of us?

lyndenmi, have it your way, I don't know how I can possibly explain it to you without you being offended. We are all sinners in need of a savior. That savior is Jesus Christ. Thats why God came to earth, to pay for our sins Himself, in person, That person was Jesus Christ. He died for me and you. I am no better than you. I realize I'm a sinner and have freely accepted His gift of salvation. It doesn't make me better than anyone else, just a whole lot more fortunate then those who die without accepting that free gift. The gift is available to anyone if they are sincere in accepting it and repenting of their sins. There is no other name under heaven by which you can be saved other than through Jesus Christ. It's a harsh reality for so many, but it's the message of the bible. It's a very loving thing to share that message with others in the face of all the ridicule. It would be so easy for me to never say anything, but I have a heart to share the truth with others regardless.

Here's the problem. Sin is sin no matter what it is. Homosexuality is a sin that's in the spotlight, and being touted as anything but sin. I am not going to change my opinion because gay's view it as not being sin. Hope this helps

sharon, are you here?

lyndenmi........I was referring to his posts on the spelling of 'fore'

I don't think I stated that I thought he was gay, I just asked him what his definition of marriage was.

Unfortuneatly, my children don't have much time to spend with my niece, (she lives across the country) but when they do get to see her, of course we treat her like any other family member. She is always alone without her girlfriend. If she were to bring her girlfriend into my home and act like a "couple" in front of my children, I would not permit that. She understands and respects that fact. Of course when my children are old enough to think for themselves (21 according to some on this site) they will have their own view on this. At this young age, I don't think it's appropriate to expose them to same sex couples, nor to I think it's o.k. to expose them to foul language for instance.

4him2day......Can you please tell us what church you attend so we can form a protest outside your doors towards YOUR undeniable ignorance you bogot! You have got to be the most ignorant, uneducated fool I have ever come across. I pitty your children, I pitty your grandchildren, I pitty your co workers..OOPS..You are definitly an evangelistic pentecost and if female YOU DO NOT WORK..Therefore you DO NOT pay taxes so don't come on here talking about others WASTED TAX DOLLARS...You are a disgrace to the religious community...

Go home school your children, raise them with NO SOCIAL SKILLS, raise them to be IGNORANT BIGOTS and RACIIST FOOLS such as yourself because we all know that CHILDREN ARE A PRODUCT OF THY PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!

I am as straight as it comes..Have 2 children and you ignorant people disgust me! My children are raised to LOVE everyone, gay/straight, black/white, rich/poor, religious or not, educated/uneducated......They are raised with the belief that we are responsible for OUR OWN ACTIONS...They are raised with the belief that THY SHALL NOT JUDGE anyone DIFFERENT THAN THY SELF!!!!!!!!!

It is not your place to bash people, their choices or their lifestyle so...IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MIND YOUR OWN DANG BUSINESS!!!!!!!

Everytime I read a comment you FORHIM2DAY post....you make yourself out to be this holier than though Christian who follows and teaches the word...You should ask the Lord above for forgivness for yourself because your behavior is above and beyond JUDGMENTAL!!!!!!!!!

My son read some of this CRAP and relayed to me how he thinks it is DISGUSTING and VILE and how WRONG it all is...BUT.....We sat him down and talked with him about OTHERS CHOICES IN THEIR LIFESTYLES and how it is NOT our concern...His concern should remain on his own lifestyle choices for in the end he is responsible for himself!!

My closest friend is a lesbian, has lived with another lady for 15 years, they have had a commitment ceremony and they live crime free, drug free, abuse free lives, they have raised 4 children, they are kind, gentle and outgoing individuals who DESERVE the same rights as the rest of us in this country...They deserve to be able to file taxes together, to buy a home together, to be on eachothers health insurance, to live a BIGOT free life!

My children love them both, they would do anything for my family, for anyone for that matter...MAYBE YOU WILL NEED A KIDNEY SOMEDAY...MAYBE YOUR DYING CHILD NEEDS BONE MARROW....MAYBE JUST MAYBE IT WOULD BE A GAY MAN/WOMAN TO SAVE YOUR LIFE OR THE LIFE OF YOUR CHILD!!!!!!!!

I have gay friends, gay co workers, and even a gay neighbor...They are ALL WONDERFUL people who I'd choose to sit next to before I'd sit next to any of you ignorant bigots.....

Have a great day...AND TO YOU FORHIM2DAY....I SUGGEST TOM AT CHURCH YOU ASK FOR PRAYER FOR YOU IN THE END YOUR BIGOTING RACIAL IGNORANCE WILL DOOM YOU!

Some of you evangelist pentecostals preech to the poor that if thy give the church their last dollar the Lord above will spray food down from the clouds to feel their children, ohhhh give us all your money and please don't worry about heating your home for if you give us your last pennies the Lord will re pay yo by dangling a hose down fro the clouds and guieit into your oil tank!!!!!!

You talk about the gay community FORCING their lifestyle choices on you?????? GVE ME A BREAK!!! You emerse YOURSELF in their lifestyle every single time you POST your IGNORANCE! Then you FORCE your lifestyle onto every reader as if your lifestyle is the ONLY way of life or they are DOOMED TO HELL!!

You seriously are a fool, you are a disgrace to all whom read your crap and you seriously need to get up in front of your congregation tomorrow and tell them all what a JUDGMENTAL HATRED FILLED BIGOT you are!!

So tom at church..make sure you send that basket around 4 or 5 times, steal the money of the poor people who can't feed their children,o buy yourself a nice dress with it, and promise them your prayers will put food in their hungry childrens mouths!

For some reason FORHIM2DAY I feel like I know you personally and if I do...I'm HUMILIATED!

SOLOTHOUGHTS.............THAT WAS REALLY RIDICULOUS.............YOU ARE ON THE CUSP OF THE LUNATIC FRINGE.

WOW. WHAT A SPOUT.

Long live the homo revolution!

HAHAHAHA OK BIGFOOT IN HEELS..WHATEVER YOU SAY! So bigfoot in heels....Whatcha gonna do if your child comes to you and says he/she is gay???? Place your hand on their forehead and pray for them? Dm them to hell? Brainwash them in thinking they have a chemical imbalance or the devil's in their head??

Lady YOU CORRUPT YOUR CHILDRENS MORALS...Not the community or the gay community..YOU ad your wrp minded thought process..BIGOT!! I pitty our children....Actully I pitty you as your children grow older and come into their own mindset...You will surely regret your attempts to PROTECT THEM FROM EVIL GAYS!!

There is something wrong with my keyboard for those of you hoping to bash the errors...

makes you wonder about his parenting skills/

bigfootinheels

It' too bad that your children are being exposed to you.

Mainelyme

Solothoughts, I don't agree with 4Him2Day, but I certainly don't agree with you either. I feel sorry for your children because you are teaching them in the wrong direction. Under this proposed law, gays would not only be given rights, but equal rights for which they do not deserve as outlined by the Constitution of the United States. This is a morality issue, not a legal one. Common sense will prevail in Augusta and, if not there, with the people of the State of Maine.

So in church tom I will pray for your children for the abuse you inflict on them through your racial bigoting is sad indeed! You people are sad indiiduals, you live in a fantasy world that the "People not like us" are bad sinful evil people who are doomed to hell for OUR evangelical pastor tells us so..

Sorry to inform you but I was exposed to gays growing up and I am NORMAL...My children are exposed to homosexuals..THEY DON'T CARE!! and they are not CONFUSED..They are far from CORRUPTED becaue of our gay neighbor!

YOU ARE A TOTAL IDIOT...Gays will not corrupt your children....YOU MAKE M LAUGH!! Your poor children, what they must endure!

Atleast I do not ABUSE my children by teaching them such HATRED!

HEY SOLOHOMO.......................I'M GOING TO GET HIM A FRONTAL LOBOTAMY. WHAT IN HOLY HELL DO YOU THINK I'M GOING TO DO A##HOLE??

LAY OFF THE CRACKPIPE BUDDY, YOU'RE LOSING YOUR COMPOSURE.

Mainesurvior, Please point out to me where in states in the Constitution that I do not deserve equal rights??

Do your own homework sethsayer. You can google it under "United States Constitution."

SOLOHOMO.........YOUR CHILDREN SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM YOU FOR CORUPTING THEIR YOUNG MINDS. IT IS YOU BUDDY WHO IS ENABLING THE LIKES OF TEDLICK AND MAINELYME

4HIM SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR UPHOLDING HER BELIEFS AND TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR THE SHORTCOMINGS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

........and furthermore sethsayer, don't address me any more. I don't have the highest of respect for people who commit sodomy.

"Think of the children."

If Maine passes this bill, the state has the potential of drawing more same sex couples here to settle down and buy property. Like me and my husband, there are a lot of same sex couples who choose not to have children. That's right, we can procreate, but we choose not to. These new residents, who will help prop up the real estate market here, will have to pay property taxes. In my town, 75% of my property taxes go to the public school system without the undo burden of me having children in the system. Couples without children who pay property taxes in our state are helping to educate public school children all over the state. So this bill is good for the public school system because it will draw DINKS here (that's double income no kids) to help pay for your children to go to school.

See how this bill benefits everyone??

Cool, huh?

And, sethsayer, I gave your comments a "thumbs up." It's the nicest thing I've ever done for a homsexual.

Mainesurvivor: Why? Why do you have to think of sex...does it turn you on for some reason? I don't have the highest regard for men who like dominatrix, but I don't really think about it much and I certainly don't think they should be singled out as not fit to receive the same rights as other Americans. You might be into auto-erotic asphyxiation, which I don't find erotic at all, but I think you and I deserve the same rights anyway.

I am a normal, every day human being and as a human being, I deserve the special rights that you enjoy as a human being.

Now:

I REAAAALLLLY want you to point out where in the constitution it states that as a homosexual, I don't deserve the same rights as a heterosexual... I want you to point it out to me, because you cannot...The Declaration of Independance states that all men are created equal and the 14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America guarantees citizens equal protection under the law. Tell me where you find the part that says "gays don't deserve these rights." Please. T hank you

hey Mainesurvivor...think of me as a human being, not as a homosexual. I am a human being first and foremost. Whom I love and whom I prefer to spend the rest of my life with and how I live my life is no concern of yours. We are all humans.

Mainesurvivor

Would you prefer to commit Gomorrah?

Mainelyme

You Mainer's need to get with the times and stop living in the 60's. I'm not gay but I could care less what or who people do in their bedrooms or who they marry. Why are you ignorant Jesus Freaks making such a big deal over two men or two women getting married? At least they're not out raping kids like your priests are. Some of you people are so stupid! I hope this passes and I did vote for it. I guess if you people had to vote on everything women would still not be able to vote. Get with it if you can't then get out!

Adam and Eve and the Marriage Institution

"The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." The Lord God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone, I will make helper suitable for him." "Now the Lord had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name." So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh."

How can a woman think she is an equal when she is a part of someone else? It does not even make sense. If you come from someone's rib you are a part of that person, you are not equal.

"Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man and he brought her to the man." Then the man said, "this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man." ''For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh." The man and his wife were both naked and they felt no shame."

This is the way the Lord God intended it from the beginning. It is how I believe in my heart he wanted it. Any deviation from this is outside of God's written word. It does not please him. I intend, if it be the Lord's will to be married someday, in the way the Lord intended it, and I will submit to his authority, because I am not equal to him, according to the scripture. I love God's law and I will embrace only this way of living. I will not live my life according to how someone else feels I should, and I certainly will not allow society to dictate what I believe in. When Eve was tempted in the garden, I think she should have talked to her husband because he was the one who knew what the Lord had told him, that is probably why the devil went to her.

"And the Lord God commanded the man, you are free to eat from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for when you eat of it you will surely die."

God told Adam what to do, but not Eve. Eve should have gone to her husband and Adam should have listened to God. Both sinned. In the beginning Adam and Eve were easily persuaded by Satan; they did not obey the Lord God and look at the consequences. Have we not learned our lesson? What does it take for us to learn?

Janylee McGlinchy

If the writer is counting California as one of the states that sanctions same sex marriages, the writer should check the facts. California voters by voting on Proposition 8, affirmed that marriage is between a man and a woman. Prior to that, some liberal judges tried to legislate from the bench, sanctioning same sex marriages. That's when the voters of California had to go to the ballot to correct it.

Thats a lovely tale Janylee, but it has no bearing on civil marriage, which is a marriage recognized by the state of Maine and eventually the Federal Government. Your god is not a state senator from Maine, nor does your god make the legal laws by which we all abide. Your god speaks to you and guides your way, which is fantastic and I wish you well.

Your god and its ways does not speak for nor does it represent me nor a majority of people around the world, who may worship a different god.

This bill protects your rights and your church's right to define marriage the way you want to. This bill also allows us to move forward amd bring marriage into the 21st century by being an all-inclusive institution. This bill does not redefine marriage, this bill expands marriage.

This bill does not destroy so-called traditional marriage...divorce does a fine job of that on its own and needs no help from the gays.

Big foot in heels calls herself a Christian....haha! I'm straight yo fool...maried, have children...I TREAT PEOPLE EQUALLY!!! That is the difference between you and ...Thatis the diference between myself and FORHIM2DAY!! We in our home promote EQUALITY, RESPECT HONESTY AND HUMANE TREEATMENT of ANYONE DIFFERENT THAN OURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are a crude disgusting individual whom should never have bared children!

You are the mother of the bigot racist child in school that pokes fun and humiliates those children that are different than yours!

You are the mother of the bullying name calling child with no manners or respect for anyone different than your teachings!

I lady teach my children to treat EVERYONE the same a they deserve!

I teach my children EQUALITY.....

Just because I am straight and not homosexual does not give me the right to decie what another human being chooses to do in their life!

What part of that do you not understand?

I am straight....Does that mean I should show HATRED towards another individual that chooses a different lifestyle????? NO it does not!

Just because you and the Evangelical FORHIM2DAY are SUPPOSED Christians does that give you the rigt to choose how another ives their life? NO it does NOT!

If you do not like they gay lifestyle...That is your CHOICE....You do not have to CHOOSE to be in the lives of a gay individual....You do not have to CHOOSE to read the articles, to vote on te issue or to be any part of the issue at hand..It is your CHOICE to sit home, mind your business, raise your family, live your life the way you CHOOSE.........Life is all about CHOICES now is it not?????

Go back to raising your children in a life full of HATRED! I guarantee you...In the end.......You will be the one who sits at hells door!

To sit on here and say you would Force your child to have a rontal lobotomy because he/she is gay........YOU ARE ABSURD! Only a judgmental racit bigot would say such a thing!

Your hatred is abuse in every aspect of the word towards your children!

bigfootinheels writes: "you don't deserve to have your marriage recognized as such. gays don't deserve that recognition. it's reserved for the moral and rightous, because it's upheld by the moral and rightous. you don't understand the very basic meaning of Holy Matrimony. It's not to be made a mockery of by a bunch of people who can't control their urges"

So when these moral and righteous married people get divorced, does that mean that they understand the basic meanings of holy matrimony? Are not they the ones who mare making a mockery of marriage? Your precious Rush Limbaugh has been thrice married. John McCain dropped his loser first wife for one with the dough to get him into politics....is he a rightous man for divorcing his first wife? Newt Gingrich...three times is the charm for him I guess...Is he a rightous man? Weren't his second and third marriages mocking marriage? Was Sarah Palin being righteous when she decreed that her knocked-up teenage daughter would marry her one-night-stand? But...ho...there is not marriage now that the Governor is not on the central stage anymore....Is she still righteous and moral...was her teen daughter practicing her morals when she went down on Levi before marriage?

Gimme a break!

YO..........SOLO........IT WAS SARCASM PUNK, IF YOU COULD STOP FUMING LONG ENOUGH TO BLINK YOUR EYES YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PICK UP ON THAT.

LOBOTOMY, WE SAVE THOSE FOR ZEALOTS LIKE YOU.

I don't think I have ever ben so fired up on an issue....Do I agree with homosexuals legally getting married? I guess I have to say that I don't care either way....I was raised in a Christian home, I raise my kids in a Christian home, we attend Church regularly, my kids attend youth groups, we volunteer, we are INVOLVED totally in the church....Do I believe the words of the Bible..OF COURSE I DO....Do I beleive that it is wrong? Well the bible tell us it is wrong and I believe the word....BUT.........I also beleieve we are ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN DOINGS! I believe it is NOT my concern...It is NOT my worry...For each and everyone of us are responsible or OUR OWN behavior and CHOICES!!!!!

BIGFOOT and FORHIM you bring out so much anger and rustration in people...You CAUSE and CREATE DISCONTENT...Is this CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR??

Go back to your hatred filled livingrooms, sit your children down and tell them your words on here...I WILL FORCE YOU TO HAVE A FRONTAL LOBOTOMY IF YOU ARE GAY!!!!!!!

A FRONTAL LOBOTOMY is used to treat severe Mental Illness so what are you saying that if an individual is different than you they are mentally ill? You are a sick individual indeed!

There is so much hate and ignorance spewing from some people on here that I'm ashamed tp admit that I'm a Homosexual and a Christian.

BOGFOOT IS MENTALLY DISTURBED I THINK WE SHOULD SET HER UP...HER POOR CHILDREN....HATRED FILLED BIT@#$%

Careful SOLO, there's a thin line between conversing and threatening.

Do you really think anyone has any respect for what you are saying?? You say you believe in the word, but you don't mind having a looksie at the gay porn channel. HMMMM.........let me see where's the bigotry in that???

PUNK

I feel bad for any gay individual to have to live in such a hatred filled world! How horrible, how disturbing, how just plane ignorant! I would rather be with my gay friends than any of you hated filled people anyday!

I may be straight but I'll stand up for the gay community as long as humanly posible to RID the world of hateful people like you all.

I'm proud to raise my children in a HATE FREE home....They will turn to be wonderful people accepting all as HUMAN!

So you know what BIG MOUTH IN HEELS.....You live your hatred illed life....The world doesn't need people like you..

HOTTUBHERBIE.......Don't ever be ashamed of who you are, ignorant hate filled people are not worth lowering the thoughts of ones self....They are the ones who should be ashamed........

Yes Bigfoot has issues. He is always in the BDN columns spewing hatred. I feel for him. I think he's unemployed in Millinocket. Nothing much in his life except for this. I'll pray for you "Foot.

You are absurd...Fool...Threatening..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Too funny........Punk? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA I'm an Old fart.. ........Proud to be hate free............

Threatening.....HMMMMM.....How so you fool?

HOT TUB............that was a good one, a homosexual and a Christian.

The thing is you can't be both at once. You know kind of like you can't be a murderer and make it through the pearly gates.

As long as your practicing, your practicing against Christianity. You can however become a reformed murderer these days, you know the ones who find God all of a sudden on death row.

If you repent and stop practicing homosexual activity you will be forgiven and received back into Christianity. Otherwise you're excommunicated.

BIGFOOT likes conversing with 4him2day in hopes she can help her through her mentally challenged times....Through Evangelical Prayer that is...

Maybe bogfoot you can set up a prayer vigil for all homosexuals to come to you for advice on how to be gay free....Get to heaven through the prayer of bigmouth and 4myself......You are a disgrace.

I Have a life.... I Need to get back to it....You have a hatred filled evening....bigmouthinheels..or was that bigbuttinheels...

I think it's pretty obvious who solothoughts really is......

and good evening to you

SOLO MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET BACK TO YOUR PARENTING, OR DO YOU HAVE GAY PORN TO WATCH. I SUPPOSE YOU FUND THE MBLA AS WELL?

YOU CAN'T BE A BIBLE THUMPER AND A CLOSET PORN KING, YOU'LL GET CAUGHT LOOKING AT THAT STUFF BY YOUR KIDS SOMEDAY AND BE FOUND OUT.

DISGRACE, BUDDY BOY IS TO KIND A WORD FOR YOU.

HOW ABOUT HYPOCRITE? YOU BETTER BE GOING TO CONFESSION AND TELLING JESUS YOU BEEN LYING TO HIM ALL THIS TIME (YOU KNOW BELIEVING IN HIS WORD AND ALL) LAST TIME I CHECKED YOU COULDN'T APPROVE OF GAY MARRIAGE AND BEILEVE IN HIS WORD. OR MAYBE THE REST OF US HAVE IT ALL WRONG. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT ONE FOR A MINUTE, IT'S NOT EASY TO GET ONE UP ON A PUNK LIKE YOU. OR MAYBE WE CAN CHALK IT UP TO YOU BEING TOO "FIRED UP" TO MAKE ENDS MEET IN YOUR HEAD.

Oh yeah, i'm positive I know who solothoughts is, any guesses?

Poor bigfoot. Now he's God excommunicating people from church. He must b on the upward swing of his bi-polar cycle and thinks he's God, instead of just hiding behind him.. God will forgive you 'Foot. As for the more stable, intelligent people on here I respect your thoughts and suggest we ignore 'Foot and let this poor creature work on his pathetic, ignorant filled rants in other columns.

Who am I Forhim2day??? Come on..Telll me who you think I am???? I can't knock myself down to respond to another of BIGBUTT'S comments...I can't lower myself to her level again...

BUT...FORHIM2DAY...I'll still converse with you....For I think you at the least try to live as a Christian...I don't think you are on here pretending...So again...WHO AM I?

FORHIM2DAY...You really should be a bit more selective of whom you converse..I thought you Evangelical Christians steered clear of people like bigfoot??

HOT TUB,

Just informing you of God's laws. Since you're not too familiar with them. See I'm not the one making this stuff up, it's been communicated already by Mr. J.C. himself. You reap what you sow buddy, and your time on earth should not be spent fornicating. You ought to be raising a good wholesome family. It's a little something called procreation. Oops, I forgot gays can't do that.

Too late.

I outgrew invisible friends decades ago.

HEY SOLO..............YOU STILL KICKING?? I FIGURED THE PARAMEDICS WOULD HAVE TAKEN YOU AWAY BY NOW. HOW'S THAT CONSCIENCE OF YOURS? DOWN ON YOUR KNEES YET?

SHARONPOST

THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT SPEAKS VOLUMES.

INDIVIDUALLY....Sharonfaith.....One wrd says it all....INDIVIDUAL.....So worry about your own doings.....What people do with he warnings of the word is a CHOICE they make on their OWN and the end result will be INDIVIDUAL....So let us worry about ourselves....And those who spread hatred....Should worry what their end result will be...

SOLO...............YOU'RE NOT ALONE IN THIS WORLD, YOUR ACTIONS AFFECT OTHERS NUMBNUTS

My conscience is clean for I live without judgment and hatred...

I think by the tone, the nastiness, the capital letters...I'm thinking BIGBUTT is SCOLLINS...Re surfaced... Must be horrible to live with such hate and such a nasty tongue...Cannot imagine what this person is like off the internet...Disgrace in any regard...

SHUCKS....I lowered myself to BIGBUTTS level again..I had better get on my knees for prayer or I'll surely be hell bound....Disgusting woman you are...

solothoughts:

You call bigfootinheels a "her"......not sure, but that does not sound like a woman/lady talking ....not at all. I think that person may be a man.

Only saying.....I do not follow it closely enough to really know. Oh well...

Some will accuse me of stereotyping there....I am not saying all men speak like that either. I just have never heard any woman talk anything like that. It comes across as a man talking much more than a woman, in his posts.

Good post sharon, Hope you're feeling better. I had a question for you earlier but found the answer.

Tedlick, you still have an invisible friend that you've been listening to for years and he's just as real as God.

Wow, some people actually think it is up to the government to regulate "morality". I think gambling is immoral, but we have state lotteries and Las Vegas. Even the Fire Halls run gambling operations. All immoral to my thinking.

In Maryland they had a convicted perv who was soliciting for the Jehovah's Witnesses. It allowed him access to homes and he found several victims that way. That is immoral. What some of the Roman Catholic priests did was immoral. Maybe the government should regulate religion because I think what some did was immoral.

So far as marriage rooted in the Bible, what form of marriage are we discussing? Some of those people in the Old Testament has many many wives. That was o.k. with God. Somebody above quoted Genesis. Keep reading for the other rules. No eating creatures from the sea without scales it says. That means no shrimp, clams, crabs or lobsters. How are you doing with those rules? Also, no wearing animal skins. That means no leather. The Amish wear suspenders for that reason.

Oh, I hear some say that this is the O.T. and that Jesus made a new contract and these rules are not in force. The old way involved ritual circumcision and a woman going away when her "little friend" (menses) came to visit. How about those rules. A lot of Christians have fallen away from those rules. The O.T. also prohibits harvesting the corners of the fields, mixing wool and linen in the same cloth and trimming your beard. (Leviticus Chapter 19, verse 27).

Only a few mentions of homosexuality are in the whole Bible, but some people seem to focus and hold tightly to every one of them. Why, I don't know. I would like an answer to why Old Testament people could marry lots of women, but now we can only have one at a time. Something changed, sometime. Christ says not a single syllable about gays.

So far as Christians (I am one) holding marriage more sacred than any other beliefs, give me a break. The most religious part of the USA is the South, and they also have the highest rates of divorce. As a matter of fact, if you plot the most Southern Baptist part of the country, you will find that the counties with the highest divorce rates have the largest proportion of S. Baptist Convention adherants.

Vermont and Mass. have given marriage rights to gays and the sky hasn't fallen in. For those who ask gays what difference it makes, here's one. When a married man dies and leaves a widow, she gets the property tax free. When a gay man dies, his partner has to pay tax on anything he gets. Many others rights denied those Americans. Marriage is a civil institution. If you want it blessed by God, fine. But in this country, that is an option, not a necessity.

Snuffleupagus?

Yeah, and I forgot about Percy too...

Sorry little guy.

I feel like I should apologize for some of my posts for they were based upon frustration fueled by BIGMOUTH but when I thought about it I felt like no, i don't have anything to be sorry or. Standing up against hatred and bigotry is not wrong in any aspect.

I can't comprehend how a Christian or a peson who calls themseles a Chritian can go to the public with such hatred towards another human being. Christians don't behave that way...Atleast not the Christians I associate.

Him/her..Who really knows when an individual can mask their identity through a screen...I could be talking to my neighbor..One would never know.

In anyevent 4HIM2DAY should still show estraint in whom she converses...

4HIM2DAY...You cannot find accepance in your heart for a gay man but you find tolerance and acceptance in BIGFOOT?

Please 4HIM2DAY please explain to me how your judgment and bigotry is acceptable in a Christian lifestyle?? Please, I'd realy like to hear what you hve to sa on that.

Acoutian, where in the old testament did God ever endorse multiple wives? Jesus had plenty to say about homosexuality, read sharons post above. You talk about massachusetts and the sky hasn't fallen? We are becoming a spiritually bankrupt nation, that is obvious. God has been more than patient with the united states. God will not be mocked. This country will cease to exist as we know it if we as a country don't turn from evil ways.

solo, 4him is gonna spout some bible stuff cuz he/she/it is totally incapable of free thought.

Just thought you should know that before the little pustule replies.

ACOUNTIAN....My thoughts and feeings just spewed from your fingertips....

TED.....I knew that, I just want to read more hypocracy...It makes the rest of us look better...;)

My keyboard is pretty screwed up so please look past the missing letters in my posts..

solo reread my post at 02:29. I have absolutely no hate towards homosexuals, I don't understand how you came away with that.

and tedlick is going to try and turn you towards more hate, just watch.

Man... that's rich.

I've never said anything about hating anybody.

I just find fundies incredibly silly and foolish.

Excuse me folks, I've gotta go apply some Proactiv.

I have no hate in my life. I have disgust for those who preach the bible as a holy christian and at the same time are going against the word themselves...It in itself is morally wrong but you have no problems doing so....And you do av hatred in your heart...

4him2day....What would you do if your christian raised child came to you and told you they were gay? What would you do? Dis own them? Damn them to hell? Or..Would you love them unconditionally?

solo think about what you just said, your very own words. "I have disgust for those who preach the bible as a holy christian and at the same time are going against the word themselves...It in itself is morally wrong " So if you claim to be a Christian and practice a homosexual lifestyle, aren't you going against the "word"?

Tedlick, make no mistake you live in a dark world and hate scripture and God himself.

ephesians 6 says

12 For ourstruggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

I would love my child unconditionally with no regrets...I hold freedom of choice just as you and every human being on this earth. You PUSH and PUSH your beliefs so forcefully that you don't realize you are not pulling a sinner to the word..You are pushing them away.

I do not view you as I view bigmouth...I view you as a person who truly beieves the word BUT you are so judgmental and it makes you look bad!

solo, I would without a doubt love them unconditionally. Love doesn't mean accepting everything they do, don't confuse the two.

God? No... impossible to hate something that has never shown itself to me.

Scripture? No... that's an inanimate object full of fairy tales. It would be foolish to hate something like that.

I don't even hate you. Schizophrenia is a pitiful state, so yes I pity you, but I do not hate you. Entertaining, but pitiful.

No you are missing the point!! It may be wrong but it is not your place to judge another,In it all it is NOT my business what another person chooses to do..Nor is it yours!

What I say to you is that yes Scripture goes against homosexuality BUT its not your business...You MAKE it you Business when YOU get INVOLVED. You make it your business when you post against it!

You should Love and respect all human beings and you should raise your children to do the same. We are all created equal remember???

solo, yes I do push and push forcefully, this is so important an issue to our country and our families. God does need to be your everything, without reservation. Deny Jesus and he will deny you before the Father. As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord at all costs. I am not ashamed of my Lord and Savior.

You are confused between the 2 4him...You cannot love something you hate...It is not possible...

sorry solo, the bible makes it clear that as a Christian it is your business and your responsibilty to correct a "brother that is in sin". Homosexuals are free to practice their lifestlye if they choose to. But we are talking about the sacred God ordained covenant of marrigage.

I'm confused about what you mean 9:22 ??

No one said you were to be ashamed...Just more cautious for you are obsessed with an issue that does not change your end..Your hatred against the gay lifestyle is yours..Own it.

I told you before that your energy should be put to good use...Put the word where it is needed...You are NEVER going to change a Gay man Straight with the word.......Not possible...Lost cause...Wasted Energy....Not your business....Does not affect you or your family.....

You CAN make a difference in the life of a lost child....You CAN change the life of a teen on the wrong path....You CAN change the outcome for a pregnant unwed teenager..You CAN change the life of a drug addict on the brink of death...

You still didn't answer my ?...What would you do if your Christian raised child came to you and said, "Mom, I am gay and you cannot change whoI am"

What would you do?

Simple...Your hatred towards the gay lifestyle would make it IMPOSSIBLE for you to love your gay child unconditionally.

chersully2000

bigfootinheels got pretty rough in one posting and if she's a woman he's one tough broad!

Mainelyme

Solo I did answer you, I would love them unconditionally, but not give approval to that lifestyle. Maybe you can't understand that I can see past the homosexual part of a person, and see the person. I can and do love the homosexuals I know in my life. Maybe that's where your confused. I hate to use the cliche' but it applies, love the sinner, hate the sin. I have sin in my life, I hate it, but I don't hate myself.

This is not the only issue I'm involved in. I like to think God has used me in other people's lives. It is God and God alone that changes a persons heart. He does use people to accomplish His will.

4Him2day, look at 1Kings, Chapter 20 verse 7. Also 1Chronicles, Chapter 14 verse 3 "Then David took more wives in Jerusalem, and begat more sons and daughters." How about in 1Kings, Chapter 11 verse 3, where it says "And he (Solomon) had 700 wives, princesses and 300 concubines..." Also, in 1Chronicles, Ch. 2 v. 26. "Jerahmeel had another wife whose name was Atarah; she was the mother of Onam." Many other places. Now what say you?

Sharon's post, is this the one who quotes Romans (Paul). This isn't Christ. Neither are the quotes from the O.T. Try finding quotes from the N.T.

You just don't unerstand how you portray yourself as you do. Your posts and your stance say to me that if your Christian raised child came to you with those words you would shove the word down his/her throat, call them a sinner, tell them to repent and then..You'd shun them...

That's what you give off to others in your posts......

I am curious...Do you work 4him? I feel as though I have heard your words before in person...Not to myself for I would never argue in public but I feel as though I have personally heard your words...Just wondering what your occupation is.

acoutian It was in the bible but God never approved of it. Also as for Sharon's post, all scripture is given by inspiration of God..... Not some, but all! 2 TIM 3:16. Also read John chapter 1 vs 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.... God inspired every word that is written in the bible.

Solo, you are making assumptions about me, I've explained myself. I don't know what else to tell you. I'm sure you probably have heard the words before, they're in the bible...

This will always be a topic of discussion...I am just thankful I am the person that I am and that I raise my children to accept and love everyone...Even when their lifestyle is different, even if their beliefs are different, for we are all created equal and should all be treated as so...

My son came to me one time, he said to my wife and I that our friends were soooo nice...He then said.."All gay people are sooo nice." "why are gay people so much nicer than straight people?"

I didn't know how to respond at first because I had never really thought about it before he mentioned it...

I then said to him it was my "thought" that they spend their entire lives trying to be accepted by society, peers, familly, friends, co workers...Pretty much the whole world....The end result is that they become the most loving and accepting of human beings...

So when my son was reading all this crap, listening to it in school, watching it on television...It made me so angry that what I had raised him to believe was being blind sided by a bunch of judgmental bogots who have no regard for equality.

Makes me wonder what you think of those of a different race than yourself....I wouldn't want to know.

It's really sad that human beings have to fight for equal treatment, equal rights.

Solo, your entitled to your thoughts, nothing I'm going to say is going to make you understand. With that I'll say goodnight, try it again tommorrow.

And I never made assumption towards you 4him...Your posts show the path you would take if it were to ever happen. Plain and simple...You would shun your child...Just as other Evangelists have shun their children for not living the life they raised them to live...

This will be one of those agree to disagree topics....You are too clouded to see what anyone is trying to say to you.

I just hope that you someday see that your energy is needed elsewhere and could be put to good use.......

Well, I know two people who feel it is the right of any American to be who we want as long as we are not hurting anyone!!!

Right Richard!

Quoth the pimple: "all scripture is given by inspiration of God..... Not some, but all!"

Genesis 1:11-12

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Wow! God saw it was good! Now we can legalize marijuana and end that madness!

Maybe there is some good in this book after all!

solothoughts:

Some real good thoughts there. 10:08 PM

And, touching what your son observed and said. ("Out of the mouth of babes.") You have obviously brought up your children in a loving way.

And what a wonderful response you had for him!

"It's really sad that human beings have to fight for equal treatment, equal rights."

I do not see how any decent human being would disagree with that sentiment.

Have a good evening.

tedlick

Do you suppose the Bible was written with extra verbiage as a filler to make it thicker so it would sell at a higher retail price?

Just a thought.

Mainelyme

One would never know Mainely..But would we dare question it?

Thanks Cheers...

Im feeling rather ill so I'm off for the night...

Have a great evening everyone...

Other than bigbutt, I really hope I didn't offend anyone...

Makes sense I suppose, Mainelyme... but I still wouldn't give you 10 cents for a copy (the one copy I have belonged to my great-grandfather: it was his seminary bible, full of notes and scribblings).

Personally, I think that the bible is responsible for global warming.

Spouting all that hot air is not good for the environment. Not good at all...

4Him2day, how do you know it wasn't approved by God? King David was approved, and he had many wives. Where do you find that it was unapproved? Where? Or do you not approve and therefore God doesn't approve? You say every single word is inspired by God but He might not approve them all? Sort of twisted logic, isn't it.

And do tell how the approved rules about not shaving, not eating crabs and not mixing wool and linen are interpreted these days. How many Christians keep kosher like the rules in Leviticus? Are some rules ok to break but some are not? Who decides which ones can be broken without risk of damnation?

Obviously nobody's mind will be changed, but why do you base your whole argument on the Bible and then ignore parts, tell me some parts are inspired but not approved and split hairs? Why do you say it is up to the government to enforce your moral code? Are you for the government licensing religion? That would be a disaster if our politicians made us act according to their moral code. Senator Vitter (R. LA) would have us visit cat houses and say it was o.k. Well, maybe he would inspire us but not approve if we, like him, were caught.

4Him - I feel I must apologize for my tirade yesterday, I was angry and frustrated and taking it out on you. I know you belief in what you are saying - I know that you feel compelled to spread the word as you believe it to be. We do not agree on what the words intent are. The words call homosexual acts and abomination - and I will contend that those that are pointed out are not within full context. Leviticus is not followed by most Christians - it was a code for Jewish priests but I believe the Jehovah Witness's follow it. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is still debated among theologians - some contending that it is homosexual acts, some that it is the rape of the angels by heterosexual men, some that it reflects the unwillingness of the people to share what they had with the needy (ie angels/strangers). The fact that God told Abraham earlier that he intended to destroy the cities doesn't specify homosexual acts but the context suggests that they do not welcome strangers or share their wealth (ie. food) with them. I have read and reread Ezekiel - this is what I understand from my reading - the people of Sodom showed pride, an abundance of food and idleness (laziness) and didn't give to the needy, they were proud (blatantly and disdainfully proud) and committed abominations (which are not specified here). Romans: in context refers to the gentiles going back to their idol worship of false gods and rituals that were part of that - it is my belief that they were heterosexuals who were acting against their heterosexuality and punished for that and for worshiping false gods. While there are references to homosexual acts - there is no reference to homosexual love. There is a vast difference (and I think you will agree here) between lust and love. We have come to understand that rape is about power and control and dehumanization. It is an violent act that some describe as 'animalistic' - I believe that those inhabitants intended this act upon the angels - and that to a male or female- being a victim of this act is the ultimate violation of a human being. Because I don't have passages marked, I don't know the exact place to look for the passage where Jesus speaks about the marriage of a man and woman regarding divorce, but I don know that at one time (OT) men thought they could 'divorce' their wives for any reason they chose - not just adultery - and it is my belief that Jesus was making it clear that this was not the case. He was making it clear that a man could not dispose of his wife for selfish reasons or at his whim.

bigfoot - sorry for my misunderstanding your conversation with westie. I don't want to make assumptions so will ask you this question: is it okay to expose your children to opposite sex couples - specifically unmarried - and their displays of affection - kissing and holding hands?

Lyndenmi...........

Not when they are 5 and 6 years old. I would like to try and preserve their innocence until they are at least 10. In this world today with MTV and all it is very hard to do. I think you can agree with me on that. That's not to say I would not explain something to them should they ask of if I see it's the right time before that.

We do teach tolerance in my household. But we also teach respect and self control. Our children to not run around like banshees and are very well behaved, all without so much a harsh word and some "sassy juice" (apple cider vinegar)

Thank you bigfoot - we agree there also. It is difficult to insulate children in today's world from many things - TV, video games etc. It's a shame we can't keep them children for longer.

bigfoot - could I ask you too read the posts I make to razor regarding his/her posts and tell me if I have misinterpreted what he/she is actually saying...

Live and let live people, we are all Gods children, as mine and Richards will be! Yes we'll have to adopt, yes we will be same sex parents, but we will love our children and bring them up the way God wants us to!

ahh, another day of this!!

How can this get voted down twice and then still be revived? I don't understand how the people of Maine can say NO twice and this can still be revived. We already have a shortfall in our budget and apparently Sen. Dennis S. Damon, D-Trenton does not care about that and he does not care about what the people of Maine want. What kind of a leader sees this voted down twice and then revives it to push it through legislation. Sen Denis S. Damon D-Trenton, obviously isn't fit to for leadership.

razor?

SOLO, patting yourself on the back until 11 p.m. doesn't make you a good person. It seems to me that you have to continually state how much of a great parent you are and how well rounded your kids are.

The notion it's giving me is that you are pretty insecure about your family and you have to continually praise yourself so others don't have a chance to point out your shortcomings. That's all find and dandy I guess, if you want to live with the blinders on it's especially find and dandy.

It's good to see you finally calmed down after your rant yesterday.

2 Timothy 3:16 (New American Standard Bible)

16 "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness"

Gods Holy Word was meant to teach us, to reproof us, to correct wrong behavior, to train us in righteousness. Thats what scripture is for. Throughout the ages we have taken His word and tried to twist it to fit our sinful lives. That's coming at it from the wrong angle from what it was intended to do. Gods word was meant to convict us of our sinful nature which we all have. The bible is the history of mankind. Because something is mentioned does not mean it was endorsed by God. Gods word does not contradict itself. The old testament is about the laws given to man, and man's failed attempt to live by them. Jesus was there in the beginning walking with adam and eve in the garden, and is there at the very end in revelation. The Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. The whole book is leading up to his coming in the new testament. Showing us how we can't possibly live by the rules, and how desperately we need a Savior. None of us are "good enough", or "nice enough" or able to do enough "good works" to earn our way into heaven. We NEED HIM to save us from our sins, and HE did that on the cross at calvary. He paid the ultimate price. Trying to twist scripture to fit our lives is nothing new. It's been going on since time began and will continue. Our churches for the most part have become so watered down trying to explain away sin that you can can find a church in america that will endorse just about anything. Instead of coming at the bible as Gods word, meant to convict us of our sins, meant to pierce our hearts to the very core, we come at it trying to justify our behavior. It just won't work that way. Find a church this morning that teaches and holds God's word in the highest esteem, they are still out there. Today is the day of salvation!

I think all of you christian bashers here should try church with an open mind for a while, just as you are asking others to do about gay rights. My wife and I have a son who is gay and he understands how we feel. If he decides to marry in a civil ceremony, we will not be attending unless it is to protest!

poormaniac,

the church with the open mind brought about by mr. luther is what put is in this mess in the first place.

bigfoot, explain please?

When we live in sin we are not in God's graces. When we are not in God's graces, we can not see and discern what is sin and what isn't. We can not see the state of our souls. There is actual grace which is given to us freely without price through the death of Jesus on the cross. But we have to partake in grace by a daily denouncing of sin and amending our ways. We all fall short but that is what is asked of us.

We cannot assume God will forgive us because we believe He is a loving God. When we die God is not going to ask us to pull our list of excuses out of our pockets and read it off. One look at The Face of God and we will no longer be able to hide our sin. We will know. That look of love on His face will drop us to our knees and we will know the fate of our souls and what is due us according to the way we have lived our lives and the decisions we have made.

It was the beginning of self prophecy, and "free thinking", first it was divorce and 400 years later it's come to this. There's a church for everybody, and there's a version of the bible for everybody.

Pretty soon the same sex couples will delete their chapter and we'll have a so called sanctioned Christian church that promotes gay marriage. It's deteriorated so far that the protestants are for the most part main stream unlike 400 years ago when it was just a blip on the radar screen. We have to look into the future 400 years and ask ourselves where we'll be, every step we take in the direction of free thinking is a step in the direction of derelict if you're moving away from the teachings of Christ, there's no denying the fact that the Catholic Church is the one true church of God and the Pope is a succsessor of Peter, the first pope. The deterioration of the one true Church started when mr. luther was put on the King of England's payroll. He needed a divorce, the Church wouldn't grant him one so he in turn developed his own version of the bible. I know there' s much more to the reformation than this, I'm using this as an example.

I guess if you look at it that way, anything that is morally unacceptable in one's "individual" mind can be minimized at any time, and if you have the power, money and charisma, you can get a bible version made up to coincide with this view. Thus the beginning of the end of true teachings of Christ.

Now don't get me wrong, I'll never say that a protestant Christian will not see heaven, remember you are a product of your environment and if you were brought up protestant that is what you were taught. It's the people that knew better that started the whole thing who are at fault. In this day and age there of thousands of different denominations of Christians. A child without direction would be completely confused and flabbergasted if he had to make a choice.

Good morning all...

Guess what? It don't matter!

Preach... Condemn... Recite...

It simply has no bearing and will not stop what's coming.

So rant! Rave! Spout! Spew!!!

It will make no difference.

That's why I stick to the teachings of the Catholic Church. She has never let me down...I enjoy the whole enchelada....I want the full banquet....

That' s right Tedlick...God has the last word...There are three mside to an arguement, mine, someone elses, and Gods....I prefer to seek Gods..

that's sides.......screen is jumping again this morning....

The liberals should stop trying to ruin our country with crap like allowing gay marriage. How soon before they take the next step and want to legalize marriage with farm critters? Don't laugh, they will try it! God help us all, as this country has gone into a massive downward skid toward hell.

Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear of "God" fear of something unknown. If god gave people free will why does organized religion do all it can to take that away. Or is free will just an explanation when god lets bad things happen and doesn't stop it??? How can pedophiles be called to the priesthood by god??? He knows all but doesn't know they'll molest children put directly under his care??? God has a plan for everyone and he works in mysterious ways but don't ever hold god accountable for allowing his creations(us) when we do awful things. He knows all and sees all and controls all our destinies, but i sometimes wonder if he really even gives a sh1t????? Let people pursue happiness where they find it. It's 2 consenting adults, If they are wrong then let god Judge them... But then what would religious people do then??? feed the hungary, take care of the sick, love unloved children. The Things we worry about???

It's Sunday Morning

The day of the new Sabbath

Why aren't all of you Christians in Mass condemning your neighbors instead of doing it on the internet?

Don't tell me you attended church services Saturday afternoon so you'd have the weekend free to stumble around drunk to ease your minds for what you've done wrong to others during the previous week.

The Sabbath that the Bible speaks of to keep holy starts at sundown Friday night and goes to sundown Saturday night.

HAPPY PURIM!

Mainelyme

Elizabethann

You wouldn't make a good pimple on a Catholic's a ss!

Mainelyme

Mainelyme attends black masses.

bigfootinheels

I'm tempted to burn a black candle over you.

But, you've already been condemned in the world's court so, why waste the wax and wick?

Mainelyme

Goinpostal...I couldn't pass up on your comments. They are worth commenting on. I will have a list of questions when I meet God....why did this happen? Why did he or she do that...say that? We all have questions. There is nothing wrong with that and that's okay with God. Maybe just looking into His face will be enough. Maybe with that alone will come infusied knowlege and there won't be any questions...no answers needed. We don't understand free will. It's a gift to us from God to do with as we wish. My free will, your free will effects everyone around us. What I say and do either lifts someone or hurts someone. With free will comes personal responsibility. That is one of the greatest mysteries of God. With free will comes suffering. What do we do with our suffering? With that comes free will also. Do we allow suffering to turn to anger, hate, retaliation....which brings more anger, hate and violence to fruitation. There is enough of that in the world.

This discussion has strayed from the Issue. It has become a religeous debate. Unfortunately this bill is being combatted by christian opposers. This subject has nothing to do with your church, or your family, but while we are on the subject.

Technically all of the scriptures used to prohibit homosexuality in the bible are in the old testament. Which also states that it is OK for you to sleep with your sister to procreate. Does that make it something that is ok to do today? Then, why do the Churches Condemnation of Homosexuality still apply? The one scripture that is in the New testament also lists many other things in the SAME verse that the church allows as members in their churches. Fornicators, Adulterers, Drunkards etc. So why is this different?? It is about allowing two consenting adults to express their love for each other in a monogamous relationship and take responsibility for their actions toward each other. Shouldn't people using religeon to oppose this topic be in support of that? People taking responsibility for the people that they love. Making sure that they are taken care of should anything happen to one of them. Let me pose a situation to you.

You have spent your entire life with someone. Built a farm with your own hands. Raised children. Acquired the things in your life to make you comfortable. You are in the Twilight of your years and your partner dies suddenly. your partner has left you all of the things in both of your names completely, but because your partners family does not support his wishes the family disputes the will. They technically have more rite to his belongings than you do. You are made to vacate the Property, the home you have built together and all of your belongings which will now go to his cousins that you have never met. Think it doesn't happen? This is a true story.

These are the things that need to be examined when you oppose this. The only thing that Gay/Lesbian people are asking for is equal rights to Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While their path may be a different one than yours, how does it really affect you other than maybe seeing a homosexual couple in public? If you don't approve look elsewhere.

As far as the statement No gays in Maine. I don't know what town you're from or how often you leave the woods, but there are a great deal of homosexuals in your community. They are next door, down the street, cutting your hair, serving your food, greeting you at the bank, putting themselves in harms way to protect you. So before you Condemn this and vote the way a "priest" or "minister" tells you. Open your bible for yourself look at things in context and then make a decision for yourself. Thats all I ask. That you know why you are opposing things. We as humans have a great gift to be able to think for ourselves and take in vast amounts of knowledge. Don't be a "because he told me to Christian". Do it because you have the knowledge yourself.

Instyle.............the bible does not encapsulate all of the teachings of Christ or the Church. What the heck do you think everyone did for 200 years after Christ died? The Bible wasn't even written yet!

Get your facts straight buddy.

How many times does this have to be voted on ? The voters of Maine have turned this down and now here it comes again.

This should not be a try and try again til you get what you want. Well, if it did wear out the ballots and go thru are they going to piss and moan when it is on the ballot to repeal it.

Even California repeal it.

kylie00,

It wasn't a vote of the people that ended slavery. Or Jim Crow laws. Or gave the vote to blacks, women, native Americans...

It won't be a vote of the people that brings marriage equality.

Oh, and it wasn't a vote of the people that ended laws against interracial marriage either.

Can't leave that out.

mainelyme...but then again I am not your typical Catholic....

So where do they come from bigheels? Who makes the rules?

Elizabethann

I should say not!

Mainelyme

God has always made the rules. Not The Book. Honestly I want you to tell me what you think they did before the Bible was written.

Can you give me an explanation?

Do you think Adam and Eve had a book to refer to?

kylie00

"Piss and moan?"

Tisch, tisch.

Such language for a Christian.

You should wash your mouth out with lye soap and stop using KY Jel instead!

Mainelyme

bigfootinheels

The men hid in caves and wore high heels?

Mainelyme

On 3/15/09 at 10:51 AM, Elizabethann

You have the temerity to think that you'll look God in the face?

You really do have a set of brass ones, don't you?

Mainelyme

Once we die.....we all come face to face with God....

When will people educate themselves on what was voted down twice ------- it was the Human Rights Act.

bigfoot - Are there Bibles that are not based on the King James version - how are they different?

Let's take the book of mormon for example. Transcribed from special gold tablets by a man wearing special reading glasses calling himself a prophet.

Sorry bigfoot - I meant based on ones before King James.

lydnenmi, I know it's copy pasted but there would be much lost in transcription.

"Bible translations developed for Catholic use are complete Bibles. This means that they contain the entire canonical text identified by Pope Damasus and the Synod of Rome (382) and the local Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397), contained in St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate translation (420), and decreed infallibly by the Ecumenical Council of Trent (1570). This canonical text contains the same 27 NT Testament books which Protestant versions contain, but 46 Old Testament books, instead of 39. These 7 books, and parts of 2 others, are called Deuterocanonical by Catholics (2nd canon) and Apocrypha (false writings) by Protestants, who dropped them at the time of the Reformation. The Deuterocanonical texts are Tobias (Tobit), Judith, Baruch, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Wisdom, First and Second Maccabees and parts of Esther and Daniel. Some Protestant Bibles include the "Apocrypha" as pious reading."

The Protestants of the sixteenth century objected to the additional books because of the doctrinal teachings of these books. The Second Book of Machabees, for example, contains the doctrine of purgatory, of prayers and sacrifices for the dead (12:39-46). The book of Tobias teaches the importance in the eyes of God of good works. The Protestants could not reject some without excluding all of the additional books. Hence, in drawing up their list of Old Testament books they went back to the first collection of Biblical books of the Palestinian Jews. They removed the additional books, which had been in the Bible up till 1517 and placed them at the end of the Bible in a special appendix. In addition, they labelled them as "apocryphal" (spurious, uninspired), a designation which helped to lower them in the estimation of Protestant readers

Does this answer your question?

Thank you bigfoot - That is interesting - some here have mentioned that books were 'dropped' from the Bible and it has been vehemently denied by some. I guess that's because they are not Catholic.

Most of the protestant bibles don't even include these seven books today. Gradually over time they were dropped completely. If you pick up a protestant version today it's likely you won't even see them mentioned.

The Church always stated that these books were inspired from the beginning, only during the reformation were they brought into question by the protestants. Up until then it was universally accepted that they were part of the King James version of the Bible.

The Bibles (the earliest given to my grandmother in 1928) I have are Protestant so they are not included.

You Jesus Freaks are freaken stupid!!! You know that religion has been the cause for most of the major wars in the world? At least the gays are screwing each other and not kids like your priests and ministers are. By the way if God really didn't want gays in the world wouldn't he prevent it from happening? You people need to get off your high horse and let people live, I thought this was the land of the free? Besides marrage not religious and can be performed by any Judge or Clerk for a small paper work fee. No need for churches or 2 hour long cerimonies. It's because of you ignorant people that believe that there is a "higher power" that there is so much drama in the world.

By the way the bible is just a fictional story, written by some guy. Cause every burning bush can talk. Morons

BOGFOOT you are an unfit mother who does not deserve to parent innocent children. Your foul nasty disgusting mouth yesterday proved your charachter....SCOLLINS in the flesh....Have a wasteful day......I hope the fools in here realize you are SCOLLINS as well as LYNDENMI talking to yourself again...SCHITZOPHRENIA IS TREATABLE HONEY!

You make the mentally ill world look bad...Seriously..Get yourself some help before you hurt someone...

My advice to you morons in here..Stop conversing with BOGFOOT who is SCOLLINS SCOLLINS327 LYNDENMI REALCHERRY and all the other fictional names she created using 14 different e mail accounts....She is a very disturbed individual who stalks using the internet, who sits for 12 hrs a day causing discontent in those who truly have a cause...

Seriiously 4HIM2DAY you should be very carreful when conversing with this person...Just ask the other posters...

"commonsence" CAN'T even spell his name right so why should we bother to read any of his crap!!!

GO BACK TO SCHOOL "commonsense" before you make such a fool of yourself any further!!!!!!! LOL

Oh, Sweetheart, you scared me, I read your post again, you are not saying bad things about gays!

Why did you change your name, are you ashamed of me?

SOLOHOMO................JUST WAKE UP FROM YOUR NIGHT OUT TURNING TRICKS?

Oh wait, I bet you just got back from church, did you confess to the almighty that you've been calling names and losing your temper?

PUNK

BIGFOOT: YOU'RE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYY....................GOOD MORNING WESTIE, you're another late riser or should I say "late bloomer" just like SOLOHOMO

Nope, early riser; but I do have things to do. So, I guess you're wrong again. Can we assume the name is really bigfootinmouth?

No we can assume she is this big fat nasty mama on welfare livin in capehart..Right now she's sittin at her puter bought with my tax dollars..In her bath robe she got from the salvation army, she is smokin her ciggy butts, her kids are un attended runnin round her 3 bedroom capehart flat, they haven't been fed breakfast or lunch yet cause she can't get away from the computer to do it...She's getting pissed off because we rile her up and she is smokin more than ever and crap the prices just jacked up so she's got to make them last till the 1st of the month...

Sweetheart you have no idea who you are talking to on here...I'm your neighbor...Remember me??

Your meds must be running low again, I feel so bad for you when this happens, all them darn personalities come crawlin out one by one, you start talking to yourself again, you start signing in and out of all your screen names, commenting your own comments from a different name...OHHHH you have the life we all dream of!!!!!!

Me on the other hand, well I feel sorry for you, Bipolar and Schitzophrenia combined with depression well, just makes you one messed up Bia@#. If I could help you in any way...Well...I'd try awfull hard to get you to the bus stop to get you to your Psych appointment.....When is that again?? Monday?? Ohhhh honey, you only got few more hours to go before you can pick up those re fills....

BIGFOOTINMOUTH....NAHHHHHH She can't get her foot up over the fat rolls to get it in her mouth...

Don't worry honey, we all understand your issues...

Heyyyyyyyy..................You have a nice afternoon neglecting your unfed, unattended dirty children.....POOR BABIES......

Come visit honey...Anytime....I'm right next door!

For me..Well..It's gorgeous outside, been in and out, taking the dog for a walk and headed to Olive Garden for a Late lunch....BIGBUTTS...Sorry Not enough room at the table for ya this time....Ohhh wait...We could do what we did at Twin Super...We'll just slide 2 chairs together and hope the legs don't give out, remember that? You were so worried..... YOU HAVE YOURSELF A WONDERFUL AFTERNOON!!!!

bigfoot, one of the problems with the internet is there exists a myriad of misinformation out there. I don't know your sources, but much of what you've posted is inaccurate regarding the catholic church, origin of the bible and the pope. Be very careful of your sources. I am an ex-catholic and have done much research and reading into these subjects. While I don't care to get into a catholic vs protestant debate here, lets at least agree it's the same Jesus that died on that cross for all. The doctrines that separate us are valid points of dicussion, but probably best left for another time. A debate I would love to have with you by the way.

solothoughts

You make it sound like she's a good candidate for the Bangor City Council!

Mainelyme

I am astonished that anyone on any side of the issue can believe they can identify who is posting. And I mean offense to no one. So far I have been "identified" as posting under another name (not true, I am westie only), a homosexual (not true, I am straight), a man (not true, I am a wife, mother, grandmother), and as having some tenuous link to "Vegas" (that one I can't even figure out). Maine is a big place. There are a lot of people even in the smallest towns. How can one possibly hope to pinpoint a single individual?

Elizabethann

I come face to face with God everyday when I look around at this beautiful universe that he created.

Mainelyme

Oh believe me...If you were posting long enough you'd know who BIGFOOTINHEELS was...She is most likely the one accsuing you of being all the wrong things in life..Like I said be careful whom you converse...She is Evil in every aspect of the word.

Mainely...maybe so..maybe a canditate for D. Dicks as well...

I'm done on here...Pleasure talking to some of you...Some of you are wonderful intelligent people as others are just plain psychotic.

4him2day..I really hope you continue to spread the word...Just be more careful how forceful you are because it truly does change the outcome of your drive....

The word of God in our lives is so important to our futures as well as to our childrens future. Just be careful not to mistake your own interpretation of the word as the word itself..If that makes any sense...

Like so many of us have said..The bible says the same thing, the words are no different for each whom read along...It is the one perceiving whom changes the wholehearted meaning....

I can't continue to post here anymore for BIGFOOT and all her personalities and screen names makes it impossible to have an intelligent conversation with anyone on any issue..

4HIM2DAY..You ask Bigmouth where she gets her WRONG info....She sits and googles words and phrases..Copies and pastes to word pad and changes as she goes along to fit her thought process....Warped is it not?

solo, maybe you need to take a long look in the mirror.....

4him......

I do believe that my source is quite reliable. but maybe you can prove otherwise? not sure. i too have done much research, I had to somehow convince my wife (daughter of a baptist minister and devout protestant herself) to convert. When I did I found out a lot of things I had been ignorant to. She asked questions that I could not answer that were valid, and in doing so forced me to move from the realm of being taught to the realm of self education. Theology is extremely complex and can not be discussed in depth in an online forum we do agree on that and the fact that Jesus died on the cross for us.

Agree bigfoot, theology can be and should be a lifelong study. The message of the cross and salvation fortunately is quite simple, God bless.

good riddance punk

Mainelyme"

re 3:32 PM

Amen!

Me too. I was just thinking that today when I was outside.

chersully2000

I made stuffed cabbage with sweet and sour raisin sauce and wrote another two thousand words on my 9th screenplay.

I did shave shower and brush my teeth but, I still haven't cleaned the apartment yet.

They only had one fish at the supermarket yesterday so, I'm goling to look tomorrow and hopefully feed the Raccoons in the park tomorrow night.

We're three weeks ahead of you and three weeks behind with the changing seasons but, at 51 degrees it still isn't spring yet!

Mainelyme

Solo,

I have just been following this thread and have had no input. I do need to say from my observances someone has struck a nerve with you and now you are the one that is very angry and acting just the opposite you say you do. You seem to have to let everyone know you have a life, how great it is and you do not just post all day long. Is there a reason you feel you need to tell people this? I am sure most of the others on here are in the same boat. Also, you claim you can figure out who someone on here is, or what they are about, but I think you are wrong. If you re-read Bigfootinhighheels posts again, I think you will find this is not a woman. I know another poster pointed this out to you also. I think bigfootinhighheels has successfully gotten your panties in a bunch, I think just what he set out to do.

Bigfoot is not immune to bunched panties.

Mainelyme:

It is actually beautiful here today.....a lot of people are consequently out and about.

I bought salmon and haddock earlier at the store. Think it will be haddock tonight. Oh yeah, I also bought some talipa.

Also got canned crab meat (on sale) for sandwiches. Need to get some more sardines tomorrow.

If the fish doesn't do it.........(good brain food, among other health benefits.)

The stuffed cabbage with sweet and sour raisin sauce sounds scrumptious.

Say "hi" to the Raccoons for me tomorrow. Why do you always do that at night....any reason??

And bigfootinheels and lyndemn are definitely not the same person! That much is evident.

They are nocturnal.......................

I love me some haddock.

What is this becoming, The Martha stewart show :)

I'm actually a sasquatch.

Venison is good, but bartering it in the state of maine is illegal.

My moose meat packages all say "not for sale"

go figure.........

bigfoot, can you clarify, did your wife convert to catholic or you to protestant? just curious.

getting ready to cook scallops. geez I can't believe I'm getting dragged into this!!

figure 4 mins max before mainely makes his shellfish comment