Child porn stats shock lawmakers
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Child porn stats shock lawmakers


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By Mal Leary
Capitol News Service
AUGUSTA, Maine — Rep. Emily Cain, D-Orono, the co-chair of the Appropriations Committee, said she had trouble sleeping the night after hearing that the amount of child pornography being downloaded from the Internet in Maine has increased 208 percent in one year.

“The impact of that presentation was incredibly strong on our committee,” she said. “It is very scary, particularly because it affects the lives of children.” State police Sgt. Glenn Lang, supervisor of the State Police Computer Crimes Unit, told lawmakers the number of times a video or pornographic picture of children is downloaded to a computer in Maine went from 14,951 times in 2007 to 43,530 times in 2008.

“We are speculating it’s around 1,500 individuals,” he said. “This is just from the activity reported that traces IP addresses that we receive from law enforcement agencies around the world.”

Lang told lawmakers he is sure there are transfers of child pornographic images that are not being tracked by police. He said the numbers that are available come from tracing traffic over peer-to-peer networks more commonly used for sharing music.

Lang’s comment that most child pornographers use their own names on the Internet to share surprised Rep. Pat Flood, R-Winthrop.

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tag “Do you just catch the dumb ones with this process?” he asked Lang.

“I think we catch the sick ones,” Lang responded. “I think a lot of these people can’t help themselves.” He said the unit has stepped up its enforcement efforts, analyzing more computer hard drives than in 2007 and issuing 506 subpoenas for information in 2008, up from 165 in 2007. The unit also increased the number of search warrants it served from 28 to 41.

“Right now we have approximately 203 targets that we have identified in Maine in possession of prepubescent, hard-core child pornography,” Lang said. He said the cases the unit has dealt with are from 2-month-old to 10-year-old children, both girls and boys.

Committee members were clearly upset at the scope of the problem and its apparent growth in Maine. Rep. John Robinson, R- Raymond, said he is disturbed by the situation.

“Being a parent of two young children, a 2½-year-old and a 4½-year-old, I appreciate all you folks do,” he said. “I have to temper my thoughts on what we should do with these offenders.”

Sen. Bill Diamond, D-Windham, the committee co-chair, said what the panel can do is to provide additional resources to reduce the backlog of cases that need further investigation.

Lang said that about 300 cases with varying levels of complexity need investigation.

“There is going to be an effort made to deal with that backlog,” Diamond said. “We cannot leave this legislative session knowing that sitting in a closet 20 feet from someone’s desk is the evidence needed to take a child molester or child pornographer off the streets.”

He said that even though the state budget is short of resources, he believes the committee will make additional resources for the computer crimes unit a priority.

Rep. Sawin Millett, R-Waterford, the lead GOP member of the panel, agreed.

“If there is a way to find some money to address the backlog and get them the kind of resources they need to get more aggressive and stay current, I certainly am supportive of it,” he said. “I was very impressed with the presentation.”

Both suggested that one solution would be to use some of the 10 trooper positions being sought under federal stimulus funding. The program would cover the pay and benefits of a position for three years, with the state responsible for the fourth-year costs.

“We can hope after that time the backlog would have been addressed,” Diamond said.

Other lawmakers are working to provide the unit with additional tools to prosecute pornographers. Rep. Ann Haskell, D-Portland, has introduced a bill requiring Internet service providers in Maine to keep records of site visits by users for six months.

“I heard a presentation by Sgt. Lang where he said a problem they have is when they go to prove a case, the record at the ISP may have been erased,” she said. “Most already keep the records, but not all.’

That measure has just been printed and has not been scheduled for a hearing.

Additional funding for the computer crime unit will be considered in the budget meetings of the Appropriations Committee.

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Horrible.....and it seems that this is one of those things concerned citizens should be more outraged about than worrying about two gay people marrying! This is where the repulsion should be and efforts should be made to do something about this growing perversion that affects so many young people especially.

A New York City Councilor has a bill in to keep sex offenders out of public housing.

Do Bangor and Brewer Public Housing have the same law?

Mainelyme

I am in extreme agreement with all of you about this sick behavior. I see little children every day were I work. They are such a joy and make me smile or laugh all the time. I for one do what ever I can. I report any kind of behavior that might be suspicious of this type and any other crime. Lets not just complain of what we think of police officers. cm1113, you should know that police officers get a lot of there information by talking to people. Public places are sometimes well worth the time they spend there.Lets do what we can to help them. Complaining about what you think is going on won't fix the problem. So keep your eyes and ears alert and report any suspicious behavior.

I agree with the sickness of the whole thing. And to cm1113, less time at Dunkin Donuts isn't going to help the cops. As an IT Manager for the government, I can truly tell you that policing the internet is the most difficult thing legally and it takes serious computer forensic expertise to catch sick people like these. The reason for that is simply due to the legal matters of freedom of speach imposed in the courts, the fact the that internet has constantly been defined by defense lawyers as public domain, and all the technical loopholes that allow defense lawyers to tear apart almost all prosecution cases. The rights of the individual users are even highly protected when using network computers and assets don't even belong to them--look at the protection in the work places!!! I can't even look at where a user has been on the internet without a legal supporting document, even when I know they user is in the wrong. Nevermind any banner on login that says this computer is not intended for personal use. Scumbags will ALWAYS find away around the law--because we, as citizens, demand the right to privacy. Think about that the next time a you vote on a law or bill.

I see in the news all the time where they catch someone molesting a child or haveing child pornography they find them guilty of all counts the judge can give them 10 years but only gives them 2 years or less. I read a few months ago a second grade teacher (male) was found guilty of 5 counts of touching his students and he only got 60 days. that is a joke.

Overseasmainac.... freedom of speech is not "imposed by the courts". It is guaranteed by the constitution. It is the reason you can post your opinion on here. It is the reason you can critisize the government handling of these cases and not be jailed for it. So be careful what you wish for as far as any restrictions on freedom of speech. With that said... yes the police need more resources to go after child pornographers. But restrictions on your freedom and mine will not get that job done. I tend to look at statistics with a jaundiced eye... statistics can be manipulated to show whatever you want them to show. And what is at stake here? The police are looking for more funding to hunt down these perverts. So they are going to make their case in the most shocking manner possible. Almost 50,000 cases and they can only get warants for less than 50? I could do a better job in my sleep.... if I slept....

Its pretty simple...If your going to be a child molestor..Move to Maine..We have judges and a legal system here that offers little or no time if convicted. Our liberal judges and DA's are cowards and a disgrace to the legal system and small children all over the world. When they let these animals get off scot free for wrecking a childs life forever..they themselves might as well be molesting the children themselves. As it looks some of them probably are...

I'm with the rest of the writers here that Dunkin Donuts has no rolle in this problem. Maybe a group of computer geeks could volunteer to show the average police officer what to look for.

The Internet as a public domain shouldn't make any difference. If a person is in possession of child pornography, they should be charged. Period. It doesn't matter where they get it.

I would be the first to admit the Internet makes it easier for offenders to access pornographic materiels. But it is not an excuse. One or more of the trooper positions the state is seeking should have a requirement of computer expertise. And ongoing education should be a requirement.

Unfortunately, this kind of thing is always about money. It is political money too. Anyone having knowledge of sites or persons going to such sites should immediately give the information to the authorities. An anonymous tip from a pay phone to a child protection unit is all it would take to get the ball rolling. Because of the Internet, an increase in demand, will cause more children to be hurt, as a result of persons trying to profit frrom this sick market.

I think that WHATEVER IT TAKES to stop this sick abuse to these innocent children somewhere out there...GO FOR IT! Try to get some movie stars or athletes to donate money to help with this $$$ they can afford to help. I wish I had the money I would give it all.... even if it saved ONE baby. I just can't fathom hurting young innocent children like this it sickens me, children are precious gifts from God and are to be loved, not treated like dirt. There has to be a way to STOP this MADNESS!

You really have to have your wires crossed to get a thrill out of child porn. Arresting these pervs and locking them up is a lose lose situation since then I, as a tax payer, have to house, clothe and feed them. I say, when they are convicted, put them on a chain gang and get some work out of them instead of just giving them a room with cable tv and so on. As long as these miscreants feel that our legal system is toothless, they will keep on engaging in this despicable behavior. You know, a little therapy with a shrink and they are turned out loose again to repeat in a week or two. Give them a shovel or a pick axe and let them do some construction work for a while like we did years ago. 12 hour days of this kind of labor for 5 years or so would give them a whole new outlook on life, and save the state money on projects in the bargain. Just my take on it.

What I can't believe is that the legislators are "shocked"

The Maine State Police should be commended for their efforts in preventing child abuse of all kinds, and lawmakers should support them by providing the resources needed for them to do their job thoroughly and in a timely manner. Little children, particularly those who are not of school age, have no avenue of defense against predators within and without their homes, nor can they go before the Legislature arguing for rights and protection. They have no voice. Adults must see to the safety of children. That is a moral and legal obligation.

It is sad that even when indicators of sexual abuse of children are present and reported to authorities, they must disregard them until full "evidence" is obtained. That frequently means that the abuse continues until the abuser is actually caught on film in the act of raping the child.

It is also true that too many offenders fail to register in the communities they move to. They change their names and their appearances and go unnoticed once again as they find new ways to be close to children.

Let Amber Cummings take care of them... shes got one down so far. Sick #*&%@s

I can understand porn of kids under 16, I've come across a few "barely legal" teens who were probably 16 or 17, but in most of those cases the girls took pictures of themselves with a camera-phone or a regular camera and acted in a provocative way. These girls dress like they're 25 and act like they're 15... stupid

mainelyagony... THATS INHUMANE!

liberalism is a two-way street, you're supposed to accept people, but look who you're "accepting" perverts.

i agree wholeheartedly that something has to be done. they get away with it. they ruin peoples life. i was a victim and went through 10 years of counceling and i still have nightmares. i tried to get him to pay but couldn't cause of statue of limitations. they need to pay for ruining peoples lives and they never do. oh, some get a little time in jail but out of harms way. the cops should be working in the office on reports and investigating these people instead of harassing people for seat belts or whether you have a joint in your car. i reported my abuser after i got the courage and was told to forget about it, you have to forgive they told me, along with my such supportive family, even my family was conned by this =le, they are very conhiving.

theguywiththebeer

So, you do live in old Capehart.

Sorry, pal

I'm against dope dealers killing kids in public housing, too!

Mainelyme

Sgt. Lang better be careful when he makes a blanket statement concerning these people that "alot of these people can't help themselves." How does he know that? Is he a psychiatrist? Most of these perps CAN help themselves but they make choices about downloading this child smut on their computers.

Sgt. Lang better be careful when he makes a blanket statement concerning these people that "alot of these people can't help themselves." How does he know that? Is he a psychiatrist? Most of these perps CAN help themselves but they make choices about downloading this child smut on their computers.

no doubt anthoine. Our justice system needs to reorganize it's priorities on jail sentencing and what offenses justify the most severe sentences.

Hey Bangor Daily, here's a poll for you:

Which person would we rather keep in prison, or have longer prison sentences, or have more police priority: A pot head? Or a Child Molester?

Im sure there are people out there that if they had it there way, they would take the easy route and just say both, and build more prisons and jails.

But I bet there is a bigger population that would rather our jails and prisons be used to house our murders, violent assults, burgulars, child molesters, and rapists. Pot heads, Im sure probably would not be the radar of priority, if the people as a whole had their say.

But unfortunately, right now it's the opposite. I dont know the exact numbers, but i'd be willing to bet that there is 2-3 times as many people in jail right now for non-violent drug offenses compared to child mollesters and rapists etc. These are the people that are overcrowding our prisons, drug users, drug dealers. That is the reason why people like child molesters, rapists, domestic assaults, have light sentences. They need to make room for the next drug bust enrollees.

This should be the new job security focus of law enforcement. We should quit wasting money chasing potheads and druggies who are only hurting themselves and devote some resources to chasing these criminals that are actually hurting another person. It's time to redirect these resources and investigate all of these cases.

whats worse...people who view child abuse from tens, hundreds, thousands of miles from the crime.........or those who commit the crimes????

. So those who perpertrate the crime or those who view the crime...???

we have a culture, small as it is...., but those who enjoy watching crime...how do i know?....look at "Cops" "World's wildest criminals"..etc. etc. etc.

We have a culture of wanting to watch crime.....we need to engage those who view child pornography, that before we send you to jail, and then send you to sexual offenders therapy, and then put you on a sexual offender list for life.........you will help police find out where the porn comes from.

either creating child porn is a crime or not???? you cant tell me the federal gov't couldn't i(f they want to) find where these websites exist?...can you say "Patriot ACT" if federal gov't put this anywhere on their top 100 list of thier priorities, states could spend alot less on what they have to do....

Also, this "208%" number is not out of line with the amount of internet connections the state has pursued and increased thanks to the gov't giving it away (at our expense)

Its almost like the person who coined the phrase "Nothing is free" was like....right...

I don't know how they are going to stop it. I know that in Russia and a few other countries it's not even illegal

lyndenmi: I agree with you, Shocked is not the word, What else should they expect in this modern days world, that weak man has created of ' Sodom

& Gomorrah, where anything goes.

Trafficking of children world wide is big business.

My concern lies in how many people within government in Maine are being held up on charges for kiddie porn and yet being allowed to work with pay while they are both under investigation and in court process...Also the behavior perpetuated by law enforcement in many of the smaller communities within Maine who are involved with the drug trade and younger woman mostly women...

MRWALDO: One of the reasons the Patriot Act is an effective measure of looking into through moniroring the internet is too watch for illegal activity on the internet. Child porn inclusive. That is a federal crime and difficult to break into without monitoring. Looking at children being molested is a sick crime those are children who are being victimized. It is not a Cops show and to compare it is ludicrious!

Blueskiesabove: There is no such thing as non-violent drugs crimes ALL drug crimes are inter-related there are always drugs around in the vicinity where there are child porn crimes they seem to go hand in hand. drugs rape and firearms. Tools of intimidation and dependency which mask and keep the crimes hidden for longer periods of time.

Drug users are hurting more than themselves.

The sentencing in Maine is a disgrace and much in need of survalliance.

CookieCrumbles wrote: "Blueskiesabove: There is no such thing as non-violent drugs crimes ALL drug crimes are inter-related there are always drugs around in the vicinity where there are child porn crimes they seem to go hand in hand. drugs rape and firearms. Tools of intimidation and dependency which mask and keep the crimes hidden for longer periods of time. "

You are severely mistaken. Just because a person is on drugs DOES NOT mean they are a rapist, or a skinner, or a gun freak. So before you go saying there's no such thing as a NON-VIOLENT drug crime maybe you should think a little more.

My next question: How will this be funded? Are we going to be taxed for breathing? Register our shoes? what?

cookiecrumbles, sorry but i don't agree that the 2 are hand in hand. why would you think, and i'll stick to pot, that these 2 go hand in hand. do you think if someone lights one up he or she will be more inclined to do such a distasteful crime. i would be willing to bet one with a drink pr two would be more apt to do that so before youi go and put these two hand in hand, think twice. the sick pigs who do this don't need drugs to do thier ugly deed, that is their drug. that is how the get high. i know alot about yheir ways of thinking after being abused for years and had to turn to self medicate myself to try to forget. thanks to the counceling, i no longer need that and understand that they are sick and don't really want help, they just don't want to get caught. drugs and molestation are not one and one, they are very seperate. what we need are laws that will make them think twice before acting, like life in jail as they have ruined someones life also. get the potheads out and make room for the real criminals, the ones who devestate and basically ruin a kids life. you would know what i mean if you had walked in my shoes or any other victim who turns to drugs and alcohol ro escape.

I didnt say a pot user will do the crime but the drugs and the crimes ARE interrelated.

Where there are drug dealers and users there are dependencies and intimidation.

Pot heads witll go the extreme to score some dope just as a crack head will.

Pot heads will mask and keep secret crimes associated with the drug trade association as well as any other crimes in order to keep their supply safe.

Hpw many pot heads do you know that light up in front of children? Pot alters the thinking of the person smoking it. That is why they smoke to alter.

Although they dont commit the crime of kiddie porn they contribute to its population through illegal; drug activity...

A pedophiles drug is the kid not the dope.

The dopers drug is the dopers drug they dont care to report anything that will stand in the way of cutting off their supply.

anthoine

i am also a victim/survior of childhood rape. and also self medicated for a long time with pot and the words from cookiecrumbles are sage wisdom. There is associayion with people who want to use drugs and not reporting child crimes because they want to use.

I ahve wirnessed folks lighting up in front of children sending their very own children to "have relations" with dealers in order to score dope for the parents dealers taking childrens property for dope ect...

I have walked in your shoes and I have also reported crimes against children in the state of Maine only to have drug dealers and the like turn on me because I messed up the supply from their dealers and their livelyhood. I dont give a s--t what anyone is doing self medicating and I have walked in your shoes. As long as the substances are illegal and there are child crimes in the area the crimes will not be reported because drug users and dealers tend to stick together. and want to cover their supply.

sorry to hear rachel1962. maybe being a guy, i also reporting on 2 occasoions suspicious activities and was not bothered by any drug dealers. i no longer self medicate aqnd would report anyone i knew that abused a child in any way. i have seen what you are saying bout people lighting up in front of kids and i think that is totally wrong. there are times and places for that. i do know if i saw abuse or knew of it, i would report it and would not give a hoot who knew about it. cookiecrumbles, obviously, you have never been abused and i know when i did medicate myself with pot, there was no abusive people there or they would have had to deal with me or the law. those abusers are not usually in the drug world, they send people into the drug world. they use kids for thier hugh. i don't see how you think pot heads are the main culprits in abuse.

anthoine first thank you for reporting crimes against children. I am saddened to hear that you were victimized very isolating the pain of victimization certainly.

I don't think potheads are the main culprits is abuse. What I do think is that as long as any drugs are present that are illegal there is the dependency that keeps people from reporting crimes against children because no one even pot heads ( like I was ) want to be cut off from their supply.

I noticed when I was a smoker that there seemed to be many associations within those who dealt me my pot and those who were involved with some type of child crime. Also the areas where there are drugs being dealt seemed to have many more diddlers and freaks then the areas that were drug free. Goes hand and hand.

So many of the crimes I witnessed were the barely legal crimes where ones very own mothers would allow their daughters to party and drink and do dope and sit on the dealers laps. Among other sex...No one reported that....Didn't want to lose their drugs I guess..

Or the parents who wanted oxys and sent their kid out to score while the father was peering in on the daughters friends who were sleeping over and worse...

I justified my smoking as " oh well it is only pot" until I witnessed children under the age of seven with firearms and the police refusing to respond saying I was a liar because I had admitted to smoking pot and that took my credibilty and gave the parents of the child credibilty even though they were drug dealers. But then they were drug dealers who paid taxes and kept specific law enforcement in supply....and the band played on...

mann rahael 1962, i so sorry to hear your story. i must admit i saw alot of drinkers and some other things , nothing hard core like you say though. i guess in a way i was lucky. the people i knew would not have done all these things, especailly in front of me. i would not have stood and watched it. i do know what you mean though. i was in a couple of instances where things were not right and i spoke up. one couple lost their kids one time when i said something. tieing children up is not something i put up with. i feel bad for anyone who has been abused and they are the4 only ones that really know how it is demeaning and sets a person so back and never to be felt like others. cookiecrumbs, don't even try to compare a pothead with a crackhead, believe, there is a big difference. what do you do when you get home, hide behind a few drinks but that is just fine. i would rather trust a pothead than a drinker and yes, someone on hard drugs.

and really, wasn't this article suppose to be about rippers and what to do about them. that was the point of this article wasn't it? maybe we should try to find solutions instead of blaming this one and that one. i say the sentences should be so severe that they would be scared stiff to do it and if they do it, no hiding in a specail place in jail. put them in with the rest of the real men in there. that may save a few kids that way at least.

Thats what I dont understand is why are sentences so light?

Child porn and child rape destroys lives.

It isnt like someone stole their toys.

It is an invasion of the very soul of a person the very core,

One doesn't "just go recover and get over it."

At the age of 46 I am only begining to see in glimplses how my life was altered by repetitve sexual trauma. Not one of the people I identified as having harmed me has ever had to stand before a court! In both childhood or adult instances. As a matter of fact I had been raped last year and the court who handles it sent all the evidence back to the man who raped me and said "Rachael has to many rape allegations and she isn't factual."

Meanwhile they took pictures of the rape....

There is unfortunatly repeat trauma with sexual trauma survivors. I am not exempt but either are the countless others who have had the experience.

When a child is sexually exploited through porn the right to their boundries is diminished and many go through life thinking they dont have a right to boundries. If they make it to adult life that is.

Many are suicide statisitics.

If the courts would consider the damage done to victims maybe they would impose harsher sentences.

Let victim impact statements be heard.

Listen to the voice of those who have been destroyed in view of childhood sexual trauma.

Cookiecrumbles: Why stop at drug use as being an act of all things inter-connected and horrible? How about the gasoline that you put in your car, day after day? Your petro dollars are largely going to the middle east and eventually trickling down to funding islamic terroist organizations too. So your hands are not so clean either.

And believe it or not, some of the millions of pot users in this country, do use pot responsibly, do not peddle it to their children, and otherwise act like responsible adults, like adults that drink alcohol, in moderation, and during a time when children are not present.

you are 100% right racheleal. it sure isn't like someone stealing your toys. they are stealing your soul, body and your youth. it is to late to fix what has been broken for me but you are right. if they would take the time to listen to us instead of making new ways to tax us higher or make new laws, fix this one. a very harsh sentence would definetly help. i can tell for sure you are a victim. i really don't like hearing someone who has no clue tell us how to just get over it. people who have been abused often make walls so thick around them, but the abuser gets a slap on the wrist. fis the laws!!!!

Cookiecrumbles: And you know what else they probably find when cops bust these people that do this sick child porn? Alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and maby even a bible. But I doubt you would see any correlation there. Why? Because these products are taxed and regulated. Kept out of the hands of organized crime.

Its the abuser who gets the slap on the wrist from the court that shows by actions how little the goverment of the state of Maine cares about issues surrounding child rights. AND victim rights.

When Cameron a few weeks ago was indicted for uploading and downloading porn he was still a paid employee of the government. He slid through the process because of his government position.

He is not the only one. There are members of the Maine state governemnet who represent those who put leinet sentences to perpertrators based on their postion in government and the workforce.

As if the very jobs and posts they hold exonerate them from the crimes they commit against children.

Those same people giving sentences sit among offices as high as the Attorney General. Sickening.

My experience with the so called "advocacy" groups and supporters in the state has only furthered and cemented my conviction that the needs of children who are victimized in the state of Maine are not being addressed and the potential threat to further violence to these children is more imminent now than ever.

I dont know why lawmakers are shocked about the stats...Mainers need to lobby for change ...

Good point rachael1962

CookieCrumbles wrote: "Pot heads will mask and keep secret crimes associated with the drug trade association as well as any other crimes in order to keep their supply safe.

Hpw many pot heads do you know that light up in front of children? Pot alters the thinking of the person smoking it. That is why they smoke to alter. "

I must ask, are you from the city? Where I'm from theres Old men in their 60's and 70's that smoke... They ride around on their tractor and smoke their weed. They aren't hurting anyone, that's just how they are. Just like people that go home and drink a beer before they do anything else. There's really no difference... except weed grows naturally from the ground and doesn't need CHEMICALS to have an effect on a person. Its BETTER than beer!

And it's cheaper and TAX free.

Hey, the answer is simple. Just make sure those convicted are put in general population and make sure the other convicts know what the crime was.

EXACTLY MikeinFK!!!! Just because those other criminals are there.... they probably still have children of their own and they probably dispise these sick F**Ks just like everyone else!!!

Harry wrote 3/30 at 2:55 :

lyndenmi: I agree with you, Shocked is not the word, What else should they expect in this modern days world, that weak man has created of ' Sodom

& Gomorrah, where anything goes.

Sorry don't understand your reference to Sodom and Gomorrah........

Harry..............

You are right, the morals of today's society have been degraded much like the morals of Sodom and Gomorah had been.

The attitude of anything goes is now the norm, perpetuated by our lovely pornographers, gay rights groups, abortionists, and so on and so forth.

It's too bad our children have to grow up in a society like this!!

We're working to clean it up though............

Couldn't help yourself could you bigfoot...... you had to put the gay right groups and abortionists in ----

By the way, pedophiles are attracted to children ..... they generally are not attracted to adults. And a very small % are homosexuals (approx. 1%). Not sure where abortionists are placed in the factual statistics......

lyndenmi

they are all the same in my book, propogating free will and abominations.

porn is porn, child or adult, it's all morally wrong.

Bigfoot- They are all the same???

You should watch "My best friends girl" Theres a quote in there that i will never forget. A woman called a group of people sinners, the womans reply "Your people should have thought of that 19 years ago when they stopped my mother from entering that clinic"

Think about that. Maybe some of these pedophiles were supposed to be abortions but the bible thumpers wouldnt allow that. hmmmm

vchapes - he has a real problem with me and some others regarding who we associate with here -- he's just exercising his right to free speech..... it is what he believes

Why would he have any issue or care about who you associate with? He just is attention hungry by the sounds of things.

that's a hell of a logic you've got going there vchapes. abort them just in case they might turn out to be sinners................

hmmmmmmmmm, uh, no that won't work, there wouldn't be anybody left.

I just find it funny lyndenmi that you are here damning child pornographers while you yourself are contributing to the gay agenda, constantly lowering the morals of society. it all leads to this!!!! that's all.

nothing more, nothing less.

vchapes - it has to do with my standing up for someone he vilified through his comments.

Actually, it may work Bigfoot. I never said EVERYONE must have abortions, but think about it, we wouldn't be over populated, and maybe some of these creeps wouldn't have been born. Maybe you're just upset because you mother toyed with the idea?

What does pornographers have to do with homosexuality? NOTHING.

oh and that I happen to be a parent, Christian and a lesbian........

Every christian's worst nightmare right lyndenmi? They're hypocrites and thats all they'll ever be. They have to find something to pick apart like homosexuality, because they are just insecure in their own beliefs.

oh I forgot - I'm a teacher by profession - riles him too.....

vchapes

don't worry I get my attention where I need it. not here on the bdn

By the way bigfoot -child pornographers are criminals.......

HAH!!

you're another one of those "he's just insecure in his own beliefs" people I see.

you guys must all get together and get your stones from the same bag!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know you're not a criminal lyndenmi.

You didn't have to say that.

Say what? That child pornographers are criminals? I know you know that - I just don't understand where my saying that it and pedophiles are criminals made you laugh earlier..... any crime committed against children is vile .... remember we agree on many things regarding appropriate behaviors around children..

Why do these people not have trouble sleeping when a state judge gives a convicted child molester 30 days? How about when they get probation??/ Why are you all sleeping good then?

Our system is broken and needs to be fixed. We need to kick em all out and start over with Good men and women that have a care for our future, not for what they can shove in their pocket.

yes we do.

shall we call a truce??

our system is not broken, we never had one to begin with. the courts make sure not to put these punks, no matter how big they are in the population in prison. what is their rationing on that. not a real crime, no. don't wanna get sued. not that either. no, most of them can't see behind those doors they were elected to work in. or they have relatives in there for that. change the frickin laws, put them away for at least 25 years, no matter the charge, a ripper is a ripper.

What pisses me off the most is that the rippers aren't being triggered every time a new article about pedophile or child porn arrests are made...They don't have to live with the demons who live within the mind of victims of sexual trauma...

I am happy to see more arrests being made in Maine. Thank God now lets see harsher sentencing.

With federal authorities being called in more often I pray to God that is going to be a reality because state and county government is a disgrace in the protection of children in Maine as it has shown itself to be again and agin...Both through law enforcement and the courts...

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