Maine becomes fifth state to allow same-sex nuptials

Maine becomes fifth state to allow same-sex nuptials


By The Associated Press
AP PHOTO BY PAT WELLENBACH
Maine Gov. John Baldacci signs a gay rights marriage bill in his office at the State House in Augusta, Maine, on Wednesday, May 6, 2009.

AUGUSTA, Maine — In a banner day in New England for advocates of gay marriage, Maine legalized the practice Wednesday, and the New Hampshire Legislature voted to do the same.

Maine Gov. John Baldacci, a Democrat, signed LD 1020 shortly after the legislation passed the Senate with a 21-13 vote — a margin not large enough to override a veto.

“In the past, I opposed gay marriage while supporting the idea of civil unions,” Baldacci said in a statement read in his office. “I have come to believe that this is a question of fairness and of equal protection under the law, and that a civil union is not equal to civil marriage.”

If New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch signs his state’s bill or lets it become law without his signature, New Hampshire would become the sixth overall to allow gay marriage and the fifth in New England. Rhode Island would be the region’s only holdout.

The Maine bill authorizes marriage between any two people rather than between one man and one woman, as state law currently allows. The Maine House had passed the bill Tuesday.

Both states' bills specify that religious institutions are not compelled to recognize same-sex marriages.

The Maine law is to take effect in mid-September but could be sidetracked before then. Opponents promise to challenge it through a public veto process that could suspend the law while a statewide vote takes shape.

Sue Estler of Orono said she and her partner of 20 years, Paula Johnson, plan to get married. But she also thinks opponents might collect enough signatures to force the referendum.

A professor at the University of Maine, the 64-year-old Estler said she sent an e-mail to out-of-state friends and family members Wednesday saying, “Oh, my god. The governor just signed the bill.”

“But I said, ‘Don’t make your travel plans for the wedding yet. There’s still probably a referendum to go,”’ she said.

Legislative debate was brief. Senate President Elizabeth Mitchell, D-Vassalboro, turned the gavel over to an openly gay member, Sen. Lawrence Bliss, D-South Portland, to preside over the final vote.

Republican Sen. Debra Plowman of Hampden argued that the bill was being passed “at the expense of the people of faith.”

“You are making a decision that is not well-founded,” warned Plowman.

If the issue of gay marriage comes to a statewide vote in Maine, supporters are confident they will prevail.

David Weeda, 50, of Bucksport moved to Maine with his partner, Dominick Rizzo, in 2003. Weeda said the prospect of a referendum would not dampen his enthusiasm about the approval of gay marriage in Maine.

“We hope that Maine people will have the wisdom, courage and compassion to keep this law on the books,” he said.

The activist group Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders has targeted all six New England states for passage of a gay marriage law by 2012.

Maine is now the fourth state in the region to allow same-sex marriages. Connecticut enacted a bill after being ordered to allow gay marriages by the courts, and Vermont passed a bill over the governor’s veto.

Massachusetts’ high court has ordered the state to recognize gay marriages. In Rhode Island, a bill to legalize same-sex marriage has been introduced but is not expected to pass this year.

BDN writer Judy Harrison contributed to this report.

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Woo Hoooooooooooooooooo! :)

Yeaahhh baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh great, just one more stupid thing the dumb a** as done to us. Now at least we have a chance for this go for a vote to cancel out what a minority

says we need, the majority does not want this.

I am happy to see that Baldacci did something right for Maine.

People really need to begin to see that the world is changing and human rights and equality are things that are of high value.

Understand that just because you're stuck in the old school ways of thinking, there are people out there who were unable to marry the person they love because of some religious belief that marriage is just between a man and a women. Religious views should not be placed on marriage or any other form of government and I'm glad Baldacci finally saw that.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great news from Augusta.

What do you know! Baldacci actually got a clue! Thank you Governor, for actually for once listening! Welcome to the NEW MAINE!!!! MAINE OF EQUAL RIGHT FOR ALL>>>THE WAY LIFE SHOULD BE!

yes Finally lol if my daughter is reading this is in bangor call me so we can make wedding plans.

Baldacci makes history. The right way. Congratulations and thank you, Gov. Baldacci.

Baldy you are a big wuss bag. This is going to go to the voters. Ignoring the people like the Legilsature did is just plain wrong!

You gay supporters out there 30 other states have banned gay marriage via votes of their people. Do you think Maine voters are so different?

To the legislators who pushed this - almost exclusively liberal democrats: You think you know better than the people just like on other issues (e.g. the beer and wine tax which was vetoed by the people.) You are all a buch of big Nannies who think we are to stupid to think for ourselves.

As a country we voted for change in November and threw the GOP out of power after it had it beem there for a decade. For this state, it is time to do the opposite - throw out the liberal democrats, who have been in power for to long. What have they done for us - taxes are high, no private sector jobs have been created and we have an ever growing Nanny state!

Thank you, John.

I always knew you were a humanitarian at heart!

Pelrey J. Thibodeau

New York, New York

and it begins peace

IamRightYouAreWrong, You're an idiot.

YEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWW!!!

Way to go baldie!!!

Now, bring on that veto... let's waste some tax dollars!

Congrats to those who have worked for and desired for this decision to take place....

We can stop the waste of Tax Dollars! Start an opposing Veto! Peoples Veto on the Peoples Veto of LD1020! We can use their tactics against them! Remember what's good for one is good for the other! CONGRATULATIONS ON BECOMING EQUALS!

From a Straight Couple For Equal Rights

Iamrightandyourewrong, it looks like you need a new username.

You lose!

I am SO happy to be a part of this wonderful news...this is a great day for my community as well as the great state of Maine!

@berettastorm

When will it click for you? This is not a voter issue. It is a civil rights issue.

As far as the Nanny state concerns, I laugh at the hypocrisy. In the comment section of a news article that talks about expanding the freedoms of a minority population in this state, you whine - presumably because you want a full slate of government intervention and laws to restrict such freedoms.

The reality is, Republicans are only for less government when it suits them . The majority of time, they want MORE government to control and police the populace on an interpreted quasi moral basis.

You just don't get it, do you? In the future, think about the talking points before spewing them, lol.

Maine should be PROUD to be one of the leaders in the latest struggle for civil rights... the second only after VT to pass this through the legislature!

It will likely take a decade, BUT soon ALL states will join this fight!

In the the true spirit of Maine... As Maine goes, so goes the nation.

While I respect the disagreement of the religious minority who opposes granting these rights, I encourage you now express tolerance. You can continue to fight if you wish at the expense of your dignity. You may deny it, but you are only prolonging the battle in a war that you will eventually lose.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! CONGRATULATIONS State of Maine! My future spouse and I are moving BACK!

Rev. A. Clark Pittsburgh PA

Good for Maine! I guess Maine is emerging from the 19th century.

I wonder who threatened Governor Baldacci to make this vote possible? I am certain that this will be put to a people's vote where the good people of Maine will vote it down again!

fairpoint,

1. Maine has never voted it down.

2. The court system of Maine will overturn the veto. It won't matter and is bound to end up a massive waste of money.

Veto away my friend.

Yes! Way to go Maine!

The true solution would be to just quit issuing marriage licenses alltogether for EVERYONE. Then hetero and gay couples alike would all just equally be "civilly unioned" under the law for benefits, visitation rights and such. Sadly, many straight couples don't live the lifestyle that justifies them for a marriage under God's law any more than a gay couple. So the true battle should be Civil Unions for all - NOT marriages for gays. The term 'marriage" has religious roots and thus should remain traditional - one man and one woman living a lifestyle as God intended - with marriage ceremonies being in churches or some other religious setting. Churches will now be subject to hate crime prosecution if they refuse to "marry" gay couples, regardless of what "gay marriage" legislation says- THAT is the slippery slope. Just my 2 cents.

It is only fair that we vote.... again. Sad but true. It will feel like the lottery was won and then taken away for back taxes.... The government should have just let it be voted on in the first place.

this should cause a bit of confusion at woman care in a few years lol

OK Pedophiles....time to organize, the path is wide open..

Tedlick-The Maine system won't overturn the veto as they will see that the majority of Maine will want this "bill" vetoed. So yes, I will veto away...along with the rest of the State!

I am proud to say that my home state, Massachusetts, has been the leader on this, but am glad to see my adopted state, Maine, is now right alongside it. It was almost 4 years to this day that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled marriage rights cannot be withheld to same gender couples: May, 2005.

berquis,

Voting won't make a bit of difference in the end. The state courts will overturn the veto and it'll all be a massive waste of state dollars.

So, veto away.

SAD... SO VERY, VERY SAD. DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE WE GO.

@fairpoint

Sorry. Majority rule has nothing to do with civil rights. Nice thought, but it doesn't hold any water as we have already seen in Vermont.

If it was about those in voting power making the rules without regard to individual freedoms, we'd still have a segregated south and only men would be able to vote.

Hop a ride on the 21st century train as it seems to be leaving the station without you!

Unfortunately, I knew baldy would sign it. I mean look at him! I think he's living a lie and secretly isn't straight and now he can divorce his wife and become Maine's first gay governor while he's at it. Way to make history. Maine's turning into a sh!thole that seems to be getting packed pretty quick :-(

Berquis-I agree. Who do they think they are speaking for the people of Maine. From what I see most Mainers are not in favor of this at all. The people of the House and Senate are afraid that their jobs would be on the line if the didn't vote the politically correct way. The people will get a chance to vote...just wait and see.

we the people will over ride this with our veto.the hell with politician.

Outstanding news. Very proud of the Governor for making the obviously correct decision.

yousurp-majority vote will actually work and if it has to go to the Supreme Court then so be as I beleive it will be overturned...just like in california:)

fairpoint,

I'd review history if I were you... it doesn't support your hypothesis.

This is outstanding! This is a most amazing and wonderful day! I know that the fight is not over and the opponents are already working on a People's Veto, but this is a major step forward!

To those who say that the government hasn't carried out the will of the people, you only speak for yourselves. I am certain we will see this put to the ballot, and then you will see that the majority of Mainers favor marriage for same-sex couples.

Does this mean the Maine motto will change from, "The Way Life Should Be,'' to "The Gay Life Should Be"? Maine takes one more giant step to the left...

tedlick-please inform me of what you know that I don't know. Please enlighten me...good luck! As for history, take a good long look in the bible and tell me what it states.

Tedlick, if this is voted on and DOES pass, I don't care. IF it is voted on and DOESN'T pass, I don't care. I think that there should be a VOTE because that's the way our nation is SUPPOSED to be. If this is something that IS supposed to happen then it will and you all will have nothing to worry about.

Someone has said "welcome to the new Maine". That's exactly it. And you said "the way life should be"? If you like Maine so much, why do you want to change it? I fully support civil unions. but a marriage is between a man and a woman. (And the response will probably be "not any more it isn't")

Fairpoint,

in 1920, Mainers also vetoed women being allowed to vote.

Guess what? Didn't make a damn bit of difference.

The same will be true with this issue in the end.

History... it's a fascinating thing.

WHO ARE WE TO SAY ONLY MAN AND WOMAN CAN MARRY? That is like saying only Mainers can be Catholic's or drive Chevy's who are we to take a choice away from anyone ..... women choose abortion?........ many disagree...but who are we to say she has to have a baby?.......if you choose not to believe in god then who says you have to follow gods law on marrying a woman or man only..if your gay your gay and who says it is wrong? the bible..what if you don't believe in the bible? or does every Mainer have to believe in the bible and the "heterosexuals" version of the bible...I am straight but support equal rights of all of us....NOW one thing I would like to see is this..if a woman dies say my wife before me do you all understand that I can not draw her social security but if I die she can draw off mine cause im a man. how outdated is that! woman work now too and make as much money as a husband or more in cases and if she dies at 50 and im 51 i can not draw social security survivor.... benefits nor can my minor children BUT if a man dies and the wife is left with minor kids they can collect....we have all been given and equal right today whether we are gay or not....good luck to the gay community I support you all!

We'll apparently if you don't want your comments to be hidden you have to be gay or the gay-gang-bangin gang will give you a thumbs down. Damn queer sissy!!!!

Yousurp.. you speak of civil rights. Heterosexual couples did not any different treatment than homosexual couples did. I, being straight, had no more of a right to get married than a gay man did. Nobody every said gay people could not get married, they just couldn't marry somebody of the same sex. None of us could. Therefore, there is no violation of anyone's civil rights. I have nothing against gay people whatsoever. However, this bill diminishes my definition of what a marriage is. Also, the first time my son comes home from school with a book about Jenny and her two dads I'm pulling him out. I will teach my son the difference between tolerance and being morally responsible.

Wtg Baldy, you now will not see maine improve your gonna see it worse. You should have sent this to voters, where they would have rejected. Baldy just say it YOUR GAY. Being married doesnt mean anything baldy. Wtg you idiot. I cant wait till your out office. New Maine Motto in effect The gay life shold be

God Baldacci are you stupid. Did you think they were gonna run u out office for not saying yes. Well guess what you should be gone now. Its sick sick sick that man on man or woman on woman. Come on we need all your support to get baldy out office

mcbell- you are one of the endless many who will complain complain and complain and when it does come to vote, you will do nothing. You will sit on your lazy a** and blog away. We appreciate that, just so you know!

mrwaldo- You are the true definition of an idiot. Do research to find what majority of child molesters are gay. You might just find yourself listed there!

opinionatedinbangor- You too join the ranks of Maine's Most Idiotic. Congrats!

Maine has finally made the right step. A peoples veto will do nothing. So as said by others, veto away and waste the tax payers (your) dollars.

Thanks again Gov Baldacci.

tedlick-don't hold your breath.

what a great day for MAINE!! finally.

Scollins... if you do not believe in God then why bother getting married? I don't care what any of you say, a marriage is a religious ceremony.

I think a holiday is order now...

WATCH ALL OF THE F * G S COME OUT OF THE WOODS NOW!!!!

What a SAD day for my beloved State of Maine....so VERY SAD!!!

There are 2 kinds of gays - disgusting ones and non-disgusting ones. I don't mind the non-disgusting ones.

On 5/6/09 at 12:21 PM, heathaa88 wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

Yes! Way to go Maine!

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Sounds like a "downeastah" name. :-)

AIDS PREVENTION baked bean supper every Sat. night -- jus' part of our new tradition.

'The Gay Life Should Be' -- that has a certain ring to it -- kinda like 'tinkerbell'.

Barney Frank for Gov.--- Siegfried and Roy for senator - and change our traffic lights to Aqua/pink and sunset --- doesn't it all just make you SOooooo excited.

TWelch... the power is in the hands of the people. Baldacci approved this because he is too much of a coward to say no. He also knows that the people can and will veto the bill. Therefore, he can be the good guy and still get what he really wants. This bill will not stand.

I wonder what the "FREAKS will demand now? They are never satisfied and keep pushing their loathing lifestyle down our throats. I hope they will stay out of the news now. If it comes to a peoples veto you can count on my vote.

Not gonna hold my breath, mr. fairpoint, but history is still on my side.

And it's far more of a realistic guide than religion or intolerance.

We shall see... we shall see.

On 5/6/09 at 12:45 PM, opinionatedinbangor wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

twelch1980 - A majority of child molesters are gay.. most of them are MEN who touched little BOYS

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That's crap and you know it!!! Most of them are hetero with MAJOR power trips taking advantage of young troubled kids.

So now are schools going to be required to teach sexual education between male/female, male/male and female/female?

>However, this bill diminishes my definition of what a marriage is.

No one cares what your definition is. It is not up to you to restrict the rights of others by attempting to have your religious beliefs enacted as law. People should be free to marry who they want and that means a man, woman or someone from a different race. It is not the government's job to define marriage beyond a legal coupling that provides specific assurances such as visitation, mutual health coverage and unified tax filings.

In your place of worship, you can define marriage however you want - but don't force it down the rest of our throats and don't think it has any place in government. This nation was founded on the separation of church and state as well as having a constitution that was was ridden with a bill giving the citizens a set of unalienable rights. You can't pick and choose who qualifies for these rights, nor can you interpret them to fit your own moral beliefs.

Yah Doug my stepsister got married in Mass also her mom is from Maine.

Lord please forgive them for they know not what they do!

IamRightYouAreWrong, sewmama, etc...

Go join the rubbish pile with "Mainers for Sensible Immigration Policy" and other hate groups...

Great day for Maine. For those in doubt please read the first section of the 14th amendment to the constitution.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Think about it DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH how many teachers are gay and lesbians several in the state of maine.

opionated you sound kinda sick. U think there just starting sexual contact today??? It's life wake up. Look at this way usually they call it a fudgepacker are u one if so congratz

Check it out fellow Mainers! We're the first story on CNN's homepage! This is a monumental event. We should all be proud!

TAURUS, I'm actually from Kennebec County, recently relocated to Bangor. You must be a taurus? =)

Too funny. The poverty level is climbing as usual in Maine but the but the state house is worried about same sex marriages and actually signing bills. Sickening. Unbelievable but typical for Maine.

Feel free to block this one out too.... It seems to me that if all of the comments that don't shout "Yee ha!" are going to be hidden due to thumbs down then the supporters of this bill shouldn't worry if it is brought to vote. I think that all of you know what would happen.... To hide someone's comment because they are saying vulgar or inappropriate things is one thing. To hide someone's comments because they do not mirror your own is a silly, cry baby way out.

What gave it away? lol Just thought it was someone else. Sorry. :-)

It's too bad the Maine Legislature and Gov can't move this fast on meaningful reform in this State- say toward fixing the tax burden or welfare mess.

YEAHHHHHHHHHHH!! WE'RE GETTING MARRIED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feel free to block this one out too.... It seems to me that if all of the comments that don't shout "Yee ha!" are going to be hidden due to thumbs down then the supporters of this bill shouldn't worry if it is brought to vote. I think that all of you know what would happen.... To hide someone's comment because they are saying vulgar or inappropriate things is one thing. To hide someone's comments because they do not mirror your own is a silly, cry baby way out.

Yousurp... and it is your right to have your immoral practices forced down my throat and legitimized by law? If the founding fathers had even considered that such a thing as gay marriage would be considered in the future, they would have outlawed it back then. However, for a man to be with another was most likely inconceivable to them. Additionally, if you want to speak historically and go by what the constitution allowed; slavery would still be legal. Just becuase it will be legal does not make it right.

Another sleight of hand distraction from Augusta. I am glad this was done, finally...but was this the priority today?

You win. I'm bored with this. Enjoy it while it lasts

I wish the Governor would do the same (change his mind) for economic projects for Native Americans and for Washington County. Go ahead Gov., gambling isn't all that bad either if we use the same moral scale. What a joke (not the issue but on the Governor's behavior).

Great Job Baldacci... so when are we going to legalize poligamy and incest?????

Well we know he isn't against gambling as we call a skill lol. Cause I was captain for state of maine for 2 other people one was his nephew whom lives in bangor. Nice guy he was.

Finally my friends can have the same rights as me!!! I'm actually proud of Baldacci didn't think he had it in him! Good to know he thinks with an open mind and isn't bigoted and narrow minded like so many. Makes me proud to say I'm from a great state like Maine!!! :)

“This new law does not force any religion to recognize a marriage that falls outside of its beliefs," the governor said. "It does not require the church to perform any ceremony with which it disagrees. Instead, it reaffirms the separation of church and state."

And so our once great nation continues its slide into decrepitude.

Thank you, Governor Baldacci, for courageously signing this bill in support of marriage equality in The Pine Tree State. People across the country have been following this debate in Maine, including me, a citizen of Colorado who married in California during the brief period when it was legal. Thanks, Maine Legislature, for your affirmative votes to make this day possible. Best wishes to the fair-minded citizens of The Pine Tree State.

MAN THIS IS ONE SAD STATE & COUNTRY.MAINE IS SUPPOSED TO BE VACATIONLAND,BUT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO NAME IT WELCOME TO QUEERLAND.MAINE RAISES THE HUNTING ,FISHING ,& ALL RECREATIONAL VEHICLE REGISTRATIONS,THEN WONDERS WHY APPLICATIONS ARE GOING DOWN,BUT REST ASSURED THEY WILL MAKE IT UP ON THE GAY MARRIAGE LICENSES.THANKS TO LIBERAL STATE OF MAINE,WE OUGHT TO BE PROUD--HA!

I'll tell you what... the day they start "teaching" kids about "gay issues" .. is the day I raise hell at that school ! That would be totally wrong and I for one will not tolerate it ! A marriage should be and is meant to be between a man and woman.. anything else is just wrong ! All you gay friggers are asking for is a sh*tload of trouble.... remember the bridge incident... hmmm.... how many will we see floating in the river!!!!!

Divorce and custody lawyers in Maine will celebrate....job security....

IN CAPS SO IT ISN'T MISSED.

THIS IS ONE MINISTER TRUE TO THE BIBLE WHO WON'T BE PERFORMING THIS TYPE OF TRAVISTY.

Amazing. It was always about Civil Rights and nothing more. Great job to all who sponsored this and saw it through.

no one has the right to tell another person who they can and can not marry. IT IS NO ONES BUSINESS~~I am very PROUD to call MAINE home.

Had been planning a 2 week vacation in Maine. Going somewhere else now.

Great! So when will be legalizing poligamy and incest? You guys just opened the door to the options now!

whattayaknow,

The founding fathers did not outlaw it then was because they thought it was none of their business and because they had not been corrupted by Christianity. And contrary to your opinoin, our founding fathers were well aware of every form of sexual activity known to man. Sadism, homosexuality, incest, polygamy, fetishism, the list goes on and on. Ben Franklin stayed for 3 years in England with the creator of the English Hell Fire Club which reportedly engaged in the ritual slaughter of children and the rape and torture of young boys and girls among other delights.

This will be rejected by the voters in the fall. What a huge mistake, but that's what happens with liberals at the helm.

politicallyincorrect has a good point, too: If marriage is not limited to one man and one woman, what IS it limited to?

So very proud of Maine today! Congrats to those who will now be able to marry with the legal rights associated.

politicallyincorrect,

No we didn't. Gay marriage is in no way related to polygamy and incest. Incest is illegal because of the serious civil harm it does. Government has a compelling interest in stopping it. Polygamy on the other hand also has no know social harm associated with it. So if the Mormons push for it; it might happen.

SO MUCH FOR DIVERSITY! IF YOU DON"T AGREE WITH GAY MARRIAGE THEY HIT THUMBS DOWN TO HIDE YOUR COMMENTS.......THAT'S JUST THE IGNORANT LIBERAL WAY.....PREACH DIVERSITY AS LONG IT'S THE SAME OPINION AS THEM...........WHERE AND WHEN DO WE SIGN!

fmrmti,

any family relationship that does not harm society and in which the participants want to establish a legal relationship with specific rights and duties.

fmrmti...that's an easy answer...it's now limited to two consenting adults.

The Bible says a lot...I don't think I would use it as a secular legal authority.

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with homosexuality. Perversion just received a great big gold star in our liberal state. What a joke. Baldacci the spinning turn coat. He must have been on the "receiving" end.

Congratulations everyone! This is indeed an historic moment for our state. The sky isn't going to fall in, marriage is not cheapened, and the right thing was done today. We should all be so proud!

IamRightYouAreWrong,

It doesn't. Who cares. I don't get my policy questions answered by reading children's cartoon books.

On 5/6/09 at 1:24 PM, opinionatedinbangor wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

HELP FIND A CURE FOR QUEER!!!

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They to find a cure for ignorance first.

Let people love.

True, seacoast...but why is it limited, then? And some would say it does harm society, Jon. I don't believe it does, but I think polygamy could easily be legal then, too.

I am getting a kick out of the people complaining about their bigoted comments being VOTED down. Now you have an idea of what to expect should we waste tax payer dollars on a referendum!

Maine is already known as the "Welfare State". It is truly a shame that our morality is so skewed that we now need numerous programs for drug/alcohol addiction, more jails for all of the criminals in today's society etc. We need to go back to the good old days where the ten commandments were a pretty good guide to live by, people took personal responsibility for their actions and you did not get what you did not work for .....and the majority of people did not feel "entitled" to have everyone else support their laziness. I can only imagine the mess we will see in future generations..................

Way to go Baldacci, so glad you're almost done. God, don't let the people (the taxpayers) vote, then it wouldn't have passed. Thank God that I expect nothing more from you, given the way you've handled things so far!

fmrmti,

Well if they do they can make their argument; if its rational, logical, and based on compelling evidence that the community accepts then they may be right. But as the comments above show rational is rarely met.

I have been in favor of civil unions for everyone from the start. That way all of this "discrimination" talk wouldn't hold. It would be a good compromise and be fair to everyone.

So marraige has now been taken away from the churches and placed into the civil sector.

It doesn't matter if a church refuses to marry a gay couple anymore.

As a notary in Maine, can I refuse to perform a gay marraige without being sued?

If that's the case, perhaps I should give up my commission.

By the way, I'm a registered Maine Republican and and we are for smaller government always and lower taxes.

Sorry to dissappoint so many of you, but the Maine GOP isn't going away.

I hope that nobody gets a flat tire driving on our crappy raods on their way to their same-sex marraige.

True enough, Jon.

>Sorry to dissappoint so many of you, but the Maine GOP isn't going away.

I'll be more than happy to spring for the hotel room for your next convention....

now that this is done, how about the senate, legislature, and baldacci, doing something about jobs and making Maine more business friendly, the state's priorities are truely screwed up, i'm sure the people in Baileyville could care less about this at the moment, time to take care of Maine people, not the out of staters that will show up for a quickie marriage and go back home.

The CNN.com article on this says that 54% of American's oppose gay marriage. If you're one of those people, maybe it's time to stop being a closed-minded hick and mind your own business for once. I'm straight, but if gay people want to get married...why should I care?

A Judge is suppose to go by the Bible in court do They? Far from it.

Wow... fundie folk seem a little upset.

What's the matter my freakish fundie friends? State not paying enough attention to your dogma?

Awwwww... poor guys! I'm sure it sux.

But... I've said it from the beginning, so now I can say I told you so.

Civil law is NOT based on religious dogma.

Told you so.

NOT ONLY DO THEY CLICK THUMBS DOWN IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION BUT BDN ALSO EDITS SO YOUR OPINION DOESN'T GET POSTED......SO MUCH FOR DIVERSITY.....DIVERSITY TO LIBERALS IS......AGREE WITH ME OR ELSE WE'LL MAKE YOUR LIFE HELL............WHEN AND WHERE DO WE SIGN

Excellent news for the State of Maine!!!

It's the most amazing day in Maine!

Well I hope we have a hawaiian wedding outside with my daughter and her girlfriend. We got neighobors. Let's see the guy next to us don't associate with his son anymore made him move cause he was gay. Um christian people behind us. State Trooper also. Oh well your all invited lmao.

Thank you, Gov. Baldacci and the Maine Legislature. We out here in the Midwest envy the fair-thinking people of New England and wish we had as many like-minded people representing us out here.

While I may live in St. Louis, my father lives in Bangor and I've long considered Maine a place where my partner (soon to be husband) and I may one day settle. Today's actions make a decision like that a lot easier to make, especially when you consider that Missouri is a very long way away from having marriage equality.

Congratulations, Mainers, we're very happy for you!

fmrmti...each bill fails or succeeds on its own merits. This time, it was decided that same-sex couples should not be discriminated against with regards to marriage. So ends this case, unless it goes to referendum.

If any other group feels they should be included, they're welcome to try. The people here who suggest this will go down the road of marrying pets and children are just being stupid. And I don't use that word much, but "stupid" really applies to some of the idiocy I'm seeing on this topic. Some of these comments remind me of little kids not getting their way, so they have to throw a tantrum.

As for polygamy, again, another case. Personally, I don't think it would get far…but who knows? Sounds like legally complicated relationships.

YAHOO! Congratulations, tedlick,seth,etc.

Umm ... so if you haterz are getting outvoted and having your comments hidden on a tiny little comment section at the BDN ... how in heck do you expect to win your crazy hater vote in November?

sticks and stones

Hello Chersully, it is great is it no. CONGRADS tedlick, seth. My grandmother lived in a nursing home for the last 4 years of her life, she was 83 when she died. 2 of the men who took care of her were wonderful gay men (not together) she did not have any issue with it, and she brought up her children then same way. As I will be bringing up my 2 boys to understand that love has no boundries, that we are all created equal!! love to all of you!!

Maybe my little email , along with so many many others last night to Gov Baldacci, had some impact. I told him I was proud of Conn where I grew up and would be proud of Maine too, my home for many years now. Yes siree! I asked him to do the "right thing".....we are all God's children.

I am sure he heard from many many people, both pro and con....it could not have been an easy decision for him.

lol Doug did u lose your wife to a female lol. This is just a paper on line nobody needs to leave home. God a comment about poker was hidden duhhh.

yes Cher I actually got one also and sent it out my comment.

Hey Jody are we related? Was one of the gay men her son?

Hello Green, not that I am aware of. And no, she only had 2 daughters.

NICE ONE, now we will have a mass invasion of gays soming to the state, just what i want my daughter to learn about men with men and women

with women. I don't care how many times you say you were born this way, it's just not right or natural, and you don't have all of the DNA you should have.

Now we've got this Rev A Clark coming here to live and every other gay in the country.

And to you twelch1980 Believe me I won't be sitting on my lazy a** doing nothing, If I could vote the 50,000 times with just my name to veto this gay issue

I would do it over and over again. maybe if you're not happy with living in Maine you should all go to an island somewhere for gays and keep your sick

ideas between you and other of your kind.

noonel you hit the nail right on the head, about the time the school system teaches my child about it being acceptable to have relationships with the same sex

I'll raise HEL* also. Kids have enough to deal with and making these kinds of choices are not up to the school to make or the government.

I will never believe this is right, and won't ever accept that it should be legalized.

chersully -- last night i wrote an essay about Charlie Howard. it's here: http://www.turnmaineblue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2783

thanks for the encouragement.

I'm going to laugh in your face when your children come home from school when they are teens and say guess what mom and dad!!! or they may never return home again cause u dont' support them. Think about this people its here and its real and its life.

Look up and see where aids started YOURWRONG. Just because they can get married now we all are going to get aids wow go back to school.

The democratic party just voted today that if you say unkind words against someone who has committed pedophilia it is considered a hate crime. The same people who put our US veterans on the terrorist list. The same people who put pro-life people on the terrorist list. This country is about to implode from moral decay. North Korea, Iran and all the world terrorists just have to wait awhile. We're destroying this country ourselves. There is very little common sense left in this state let alone this country.

Why is it that straight people, especially (theoretically) straight men are so completely obsessed by anal sex? You don't hear us gay people talking on and on about straight sex, do you? I often wonder if those who protest so loudly aren't in some way a bit tittilated by the thought of a bit of buggery.

Think about it guys. Why DO you go on and on about gay sex?

check out this site......paintmainered.ning.com

Is that true? Seriously... will sex ed now contain info on same sex couples? Does anyone REALLY have the answer to that? I have a 5 years old and I am very very curious...

LOL haakon that is a very good one I like that.U don't see these men saying anything about females those do u? lmao

Thanks to everyone offering congrats!

After 18 years, this has been a long time coming.

though not those lol.

Time to put it to vote and have it taken away AGAIN !

They don't have all the DNA they should have? So it's not a choice then, right?

For people who are wondering if there teaching it in school no. But I bet they will now. But actually they are just telling kids to pratice safe sex so u dont' get aids........... straight or gay or lesbian.

Hello insurances will go up for couples the state is going to make more money it won't change.

In 1981, when my daughter was in kindergarten, she asked me if she could marry her bestest friend Tracy. I responded that in that point in time 'only in California', but today I am thrilled to relay to her that she can no longer marry Tracy in CA, but she can do so in Maine if she so chooses! GO MAINE, I am sooooooooooo proud!

Thanks Jody was just asking got family everywhere.

@berquis: I don't have any kids as of yet, well that I know of anyways but that was seriously the first thing I thought of when I heard this was passed by baldy. More than likely it will become a requirement to teach about gay sex in school because not doing so would be discrimination. Its sad really, really really sad.............

It's called the "Pedophile Protection Act". Someone does not want the truth coming out. Someone does not want to allow others to voice their opinions and concerns. The click button...

lol OomniME I got tears in my eyes laughing at the response

chersully go back to your proud conn. home. our state was fine until people like you moving here.....take you and your beautiful people with you......

Der do u know realize your gay yet??? Constantly about men your talking about lol.

It's interesting how so many anti-gay people get their fur up when the word "hate" gets applied to them for their opinions. All they need to do is read some of the vitriol pouring out over this to understand why we feel it's an appropriate application.

If they don't like being accused of being haters, they should reconsider the political company they keep.

Re: 2:22 PM

No I certainly will not. I have just as much right to live here as you do....after all, we don't want this beautiful state to be comprised of all intolerant folks such as yourself.

It's not a sad day in bangor go visit your neighbors u will see.

Somehow, I suspect that if you looked deeply enough, you'd find that the prime movers behind this situation are females. Maybe it's time to send most of them back to Venus, and try to re-start civilization over again.

so will one of you advocates for gay marriage tell me when we will be legalizing poligamy? It is a legit question as we just made a exception for homesexuals... what about the por SOB who wants more than one wife?? Don't be cowardly and delete this... just answer the damn question!

Thank you Governor Baldacci, You listened and were able to do what is right and fair for all citizens of Maine. We should be proud of ending one more facet of discrimination.

politically...I addressed that already. See 1:52.

What and send there good weed here for u IMRIGHT lmao.

@politicallyincorrect: I don't know of any homosexuals who are advocating for polygamy. I'd think it would be up to the polygamists to advocate for themselves.

And so it begins, i saw this coming years back,signs signs everywhere there's signs to the Elite this i say stand up and keep watch time is growing near to the others better start reading things are about to get rough

LET'S VETO THIS ASAP

David your a women hater like the lady who was forced to have sex with other women killed her husband she should of gone straight to jail right. Oh whoops cause that was two females sry lol.

@CaptainLB: ... and to think that all the while you could have been learning to write in proper English. Such a waste.

Spam now that should be reported lol.

haakon:

You have got it right.

And some idiot on this site thinks it it because of women that this was passed today? Talk about the height of stupidity!!

Chersully claims that she works but from what i can see if she does she stealing from her employer.......she spends most of her time on the computer with comments.............

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OK, I have to hand it to you, opinionatedinbangor, that was kind of funny. :)

Opinionatedin bangor don't tell me your the one who losts your wife to her friend cause u was so abusive.

re 2:35, plagiarized of course.

OK I see several guys on here from Bangor how many of u guys go to the gay bar to see females together???? Please tell me lmao.

This a wonderful day in the neighborhood. I'm so happy to hear the State of Maine feels as though marriage is a right that should be shared by all who wish to partake. I find it tragic however that some people still feel as though allowing gay marriage in this country somehow will lead to our demise. It saddens me to think that after so many years of progress that society is often closed off when it comes to the equality of others. Congradulations my friends....this is a proud day!

jodyc522, thats great you are teaching your two potentially gay boys that love has no boundries. They will be able to run wild in the fields of liberalism. We were all "created" equal, too bad sin has perverted and corrupted the thought process. Now, in fear of hurting peoples feelings, we have to please everyone especially the minorities. Gov Baldacci, your term is up, you could have at least stuck to your guns like a man. Who's hands are in your pockets.

Cher, it makes perfect sense. A woman hater! Domination and control.

OO your slow at getting back caughtcha didnt' I. Lol jking

lmao told u must of seen my daughter there lmao.

DouglasWatts: re 2:02 PM

What a wonderful tribute. I am going to go back and read it again this evening. Thank you so much!

Berquis-regarding your five year old...I heard that one of the schools in this area held a "gay day". As a mother myself, I found that highly inappropriate not to mention morally wrong. It's funny to me that schools can talk about "gays", homosexuality and whatever else they want but mention God, or even Christmas and there is an uproar. I find this totally ludacris. Mark my words, if this is truly passed in Maine, it will be taught to our innocent kids!

Okay, now that it's over can we move on to the next group of people who are who need legal protection...SINGLE PEOPLE!!! I'm so sick and tired of paying more in taxes then the rest of you just because I choose not to marry anyone! WHERE'S MY CIVIL PROTECTION????

Good message revelation! In my opinion Gov. Baldacci is a joke...not to mention a coward!

I wish i was going to be alive for a while so I could see all your children grow and i could be a fly on the wall when they said mommy , daddy willl u still love me if if if if if

opinionatedinbangor, do disagreements ever arise as to who is actually the parent of the Bottom?

@opinionatedinbangor: Yes they have glow sticks there. The state pays for them.

I'm very surprised that this has happened, the legislature doesn't seem to know or care how it's people feel about this issue. Personally I am against gay marriage but legalizing it means the term marriage must be redefined. if it is no longer ONE man ONE woman , this opens the door to other types of unions; such as polygamy.

MUST BE THE WATER OR CHEMICALS IN THE FOOD, I don't care what anybody says.................This ain't natures way!

tedlick:

If many of the con comments on this site are any indication, I say there is nothing to worry about concerning any reversal of what Gov Baldacci signed today.

Congratulations!!

LOL to late Bangor is proud of it look around seriously go to kmart or walmart or the video store up on union st. is it?

opinionatedinbangor, der_untergang, what are you, twelve years old? Do you have even the remotest ability to discuss an issue without acting like a spoiled juvenile who hacked his way into daddy's computer?

chersully-the Governor in no way even read your little email. He was a coward and I wonder who threatened him to make him change his mind as he has always opposed this issue. He wanted to stay politically correct and was afraid to step on anyone's toes...as this is the way most liberals think!

taurus197039:

Right-on. You are correct.

berquis:

Exactly, I noticed the same. It is one thing if a comment is vile , vulgar,etc., but just because someone disagrees with another's point of view is no reason to vote it down...unless one is small-minded, intolerant, controlling, bigoted,etc......those people tend to vote others' posts down. Very easy to see this.

If nothing else, I'm learning some great new jokes!

That joke is plain wrong..... LOL!!!!!!!

That reminds Dave of the big house, they issue condoms in there.

When is Baldmans term up again? Oh hey I think someone else lost their job.....but that doesn't matter right now does it?

Looky at that dave, 1 minute apart.......

Now how would u like it if someone came right out and said u can't tell anymore jokes or read them would u be upset. See isn't it nice to have such a free world xoxo

Now if they'd only put as much effort into attracting businesses as they have into attracting gays, we'd be getting somewhere. Now that gays can marry, they'll be as miserable as the rest of us.

@greens: Touche` (xoxo back atcha)

Maine,Gaycationland. The people in Ogunquit/Wells have probally already planned a parade. Obviously, they will serve hot dogs with no buns, or buns with no hot dogs. That is just not right.

@revelation: No you got it all wrong, they'll provide hot dogs and buns cause we all know they like putting the meet between the buns

For once this state is keeping up with the times! Great decision Augusta.

Maybe to Ualwayswrong but not to others. Sry this is life. You think i want my 10 year old sneaking on line to listen to your sick jokes??? He would call U gay anyways but thats besides the point.

O by the way there u go again about men lmao.

Why do we the people even bother to vote??? WE voted on this a couple of years ago and the majority said no.... this shouldn't even be an issue... Just as IF we had voted it in.. the politicians shouldn't be able to take it away!! I guess it is all about who "greases" his palm... pardon the pun!

fairpoint:

I am glad to be the person I am and not think like you. You sound bitter, among other things. No thanks.

@haakon, I was being diverse and giving the lesbians a chance to hold on to something they are lacking. Although to listen to them, they seem to do just fine without men. That should strike fear into all the gay men out there. Maybe your not their allies, just a stepping stone on the big lesbian beach.

Bigfoot i like your jokes but can u tell just one without a male in it. You sound like your very miserable and can't be open. Would your family support u?

Can you tell me why," a civil union is not equal to civil marriage."" Marriage , between a man and a woman is not the same as gay marriage. A Man is

not the same as a Woman, but they have equal civil rights...

@revelation: Why would it come as a surprise to anyone that lesbians do just fine without men? Anyway, from personal experience, I can say that we are pretty much allied when it comes to same-sex marriage rights, so you needn't worry.

When you normal Mainers vote please let your Maine gays and disfunctional governor know you don't want this once and for all. Passage on this will bring in gays from all over the country, you'll be over-run by both legal and illegal gays. You think your tax base is extremly high right now, just wait.

@julieslade54: There are about 1400 reasons why a civil union is not equal to marriage: http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/wedding/f/MarriageBenefit.htm

chersully2000: I bet you do like yourself..a bit too much. If anyone here sounds bitter it is you. Let the people be diverse, and stop hating. You need a humbling experience to knock you off your liberal horse. Not everything deserves equality or fair treatment. Just because you have an opinion thats controversial, doesn't give you the authority to be right. Equality is a state of mind, not everything deserves to be equal. I bet you choose to save the trees and kill unborn babies too.

so how many of you who are screaming for a veto are 'Christians'? More like hypocrits! You toss around your bible quotes as a way to justify being against 'gay' marriage....last I knew it also said not to judge others AND also something to the effect of let those without sin cast the first stone...I am guessing that you are all sinners in some way or another!

I, as a straight woman, have a hard time figuring out just how this will affect me...it won't! I am happy for all the people who will benefit from this law! I just think it is sad all the HATE coming from all these wonderful "Christians" out there....

Uhh, greens04952............I guess I could, give me a minute.

My family supports traditional family values and morals, not perverted deviant behaviour that corrupts society.

When it's time to shi t or get off the pot, everyone in here knows where I stand on this issue. Problem is you can't talk sense into these people, they don't understand the corruption of young minds. They don't understand the damage they are doing. You can't get one of them to admit that their lifestyle is morally wrong, they'll spit and sputter about civil rights, but when it comes to religious definition of marriage all of a sudden their intellectual brains go into hibernation.

It's like talking to a wall, literally.

Props to Redneck51 for managing to get in a crack against gays and illegal aliens in the same post.

I SAID I WOULD NEVER LEAVE MAINE , BUT WILL NOW CONSIDER. MAINE JUST FINISHED THE NEW HERSHEY HIGHWAY.

Don't forget to give your buddies a thumbs up........ LOL!!!!!

Hey Jennifer

You got kids??

SD

Always a thumbs up for you old boy......

chersully-believe me...I would rather be me any day than be you. I know the difference between right and wrong unlike you. Someday I will be in heaven and you will be left behind.

hey haakon u live in Bangor u know Hannah?

bigfootinheels, you have that right the RELIGIOUS definition of marriage...this is the LEGAL definition that they have changed NOT the religious one. It is not up to the state to force YOUR religious values/morals on anyone.

@Greens: No, I live in St. Louis, but my folks live near Bangor. I've been there and Bar Harbor a couple of times. Very nice towns, both of them.

Ok now who died and left u to be GOD and judge people fairpoint . From that i can tell you try to make a good life for yourself but u won't succeed. Doesn't god forgive sinners hmm last time i read the bible he did.

Thank you so much Gov. Baldacci, this is a triumph and history has been made today. All the haters....Move to the south, you'll all love it down there with all the haters. You can even talk about us and cast stones from afar.... believe me, they'll be many productive americans that want to move downeast and get our economy going that will take your place. If you don't like it MOVE.....

Actually umm they sell cake pieces with just women or just men. Like I said wake up its been going on for over 40 yrs. This is not new. But there u go again talking about men I hope some day u can come and be honest heck i'll be your witness.

@IamRight... no, of course not. That would be wasteful. You buy a GAY cake topper: http://www.alwaysproud.com/bridegroom.gif

Srsly, you need to get out more.

Yah gotdogs u go!!!!!!!!!!! I agree downeast is beautiful love Jonesport.

LMAO haakon so do u know my daughter Hannah.

UMmm think twice about that IMALWAYSWRONG get out a little more.

Yes. re 3:42 PM....You sure do sound like a redneck (good username for you.)

Anne: Yes, and..."IamRightYouAreWrong".......yeah, sure....

seacoast: Re: 2:25 PM....Yes, very noticeable.

downeastdave: re 12:12 PM

Once again, you get it right....and expressed eloquently. Thanks.

I have 3 kids bigfootinheels. Regardless of whether gay marriage is legal or not kids are going to be 'exposed' to alternative lifestyles. Gone to Bangor lately? Or Portland? Watched tv? Gays are every where now a days. My children are aware of what MY morals are and I have instilled good values in my children as well...especially about judging people!

I am pretty conservative in most of my views. For example I think abortion is wrong BUT I don't think that it should be illegal just because I disagree with it. The same goes for gay marriage.

@greens: No, I don't believe I've ever met Hannah. The only folks from the Bangor area that I know are my folks.

@IamRight: Two words: "Mail Order" (its all the rave these days)

@IamRight: By your logic, I'm guessing that God didn't intend for the penis to go in the mouth, or the tongue into the vagina either. And breasts are solely for feeding babies, right?

IMALWAYSWRONG u are really sick considering I know a child who was born with things backwards so yes hunny that is true also. Go to church tonight god is calling for you i can feel it.

I say spread love all around maine and not spread sick minded people like u IMALWAYSWRONG.

IamRightYouAreWrong....the people of Maine will turn this down? Just like women voting huh?

Oh Great, now all the Gays finally have their chance to show us "straights" how to have a perfect divorce -proof marriage.....isn't that what they have been claiming in their recent arguments.....Let's all just watch.....and remember, He who laughs last.......I had better not get any gay marriage invites that's for sure!

fairpoint:

You are so wrong.

Jennifer:

Good for you. re 3:44 PM Very well stated.

There is a real evil person on here, BGIH.......there are few in this world as terrible a person as that individual. Ugh.....where is his friend 4Him......yeah right.......

Folks in the south are not haters , but we do take a stance on being conservative and doing what is right. We comply with what the majority of the population wants not what the minority wants with their little special agenda. I do consider Maine my home but live in Alabama where our representatives listen to their people, if they go astray they are out of office period. True Mainers need to take our state back and make it the great state it was some years ago. MAINE, THE WAY LIFE SHOULD BE is not same sex marriages.

The other day my lesbian neighbors gave me a Rolex. It was really nice but I'm not sure they understood me when I said I wanna watch.

LOL I've gotten more laughs from this then I have for a few days. Thank You since i'm pratically bed ridden. But really you all wait. There is going to be relationships now with the other one saying ok now its legal time to tell your parents or else lol . I hope for all the hipicrits its your children come to you and u love them and cherrish them no matter what.

@Ladyslipper: gays are no better at relationships than our straight counterparts. Some relationships will work, some won't. Generally speaking those who emphasize communication, honesty, compromise, integrity and commitment will fare better than those that don't. Same as for straight marriages.

The difference -- up until now anyway, is that your relationships carry with them some 1400 federal, state and local benefits, rights, privileges, protections and responsibilities that were unavailable to same-sex couples. Legalizing secular same-sex marriage in Maine (and elsewhere) is an attempt to remedy the inequality. This isn't about proving a point. This is about protecting our relationships.

My partner and I have been together in a committed, monogamous, loving relationship for almost ten years. We haven't had the force of law compelling us to stay together or risk facing community property division. We have weathered economic and personal storms, and each one has brought us closer together. We are at once best friends, lovers, EQUAL partners, parents and teammates.

This isn't a contest, Ladyslipper. This is about fairness and equal participation in the American dream.

How will it make the aid virus spread more????? I guess i'm clueless we are talking about people who are already gay or lesbian but just want the right to marry. They've been making love for years????? Now if you mean on here go mess around with your wife's or your girlfriends best friends now u may catch it. People who screw the opposite sex get it. U can get it thru blood transfusion. God i see a friend of mine die that way. She wasn't a lesbian. She was giving birth to twins and hemoraged. Thats how she got it. So stop the aid chit and grow up.

Amen haakon!

gotdogs:

Hurray! Yes,thre are many places down south where some of these would be much happier. The Northeast is a liberal part of the country. The way it has been for quite some time now......this is not news after all.

revelation:

Wow you are not very bright. I have never been called bitter in my life....just the opposite. I am happy for the people who have "won" today. I have no gay people in my family, just some acquaintances who ae....but I am very happy for same sex couples today. You are the one who is unhappy.....don't get it mixed up. Smarten up.

Ok well that was the only way they can do it IMALWAYSWRONG first thing i've seen u say good so far. So they pushed for more.

I'm unclear as to how encouraging monogamous, committed relationships will cause the spread of HIV to increase. It might help for you to realize that there are already gay and lesbian people living in Maine (I _know_! *gasp!*) What this law does is further support the desire of gay and lesbian couples to form lasting, committed relationships. Another point that apparently needs to be repeated is that HIV/AIDS is not a gay disease. It can affect anyone. Here in St. Louis, the rate of HIV infection is fastest growing among young African-American heterosexual females.

Hey Sillyputty........did you ask ___ before you posted that comment??

Jennifer, you can't have your cake and eat it too, it's what the protestants tried back in the 1500's, look where it's gotten them. Their religions are the laughing stock of Christianity. You must be a protestant, promoting legal abortion is a moral wrong, but teach your kids what you want, after all you're the boss not God right??

Haakon, get a new dream this one is almost over for you and your gay lover.

Hey Revalation, I agree with you on Chesully.........Like I said before they want diversity but if it doesn't agree with THEIR AGENDER.....than forget it......this chesully claims she works but from what I can tell from today's post and others...........she's stealing from her employer.....she's on the computer all the time............

The wonderful God-given institution of marriage (one man/one woman) cannot be stolen. What our governor did today was to wag his finger in God's face and say "we here in Maine have a better way !" The wisest man to walk this planet (excepting Jesus) wrote "there is a way that seems right unto a man , but its end is the way of death." God will not be mocked !

This just in: the New Hampshire House and Senate have approved a bill to legalize same-sex marriage and have sent it to the Governor.

Maine is going down the tubes ecconomically, have the worst roads in the US, Its young people are leaving the state and this Gov's term is ending and wants to look like he has accomplished something for the State which he and his cronies have bankrupted. Go back to serving spagetti Gov. You will be remembered as the Gov who bankrupted Maine but allowed gays to marry which they think will solve all their problems, and put Maine on the map so to speak. Maine is dead folks, The rest of the world could care less what Maine does as long as they keep paying the highest taxes and fees in the land with not services. Would the last person leaving Maine turn the lights out, before Candian Hydro pulls the plug.

But if u was a male and your wife said ok i'm wiilling to get another women to join us what would all u men say about that.

Keep writing haakon love what your writing.

Jennifer

You need to look at your morals honey, you do have to accept every person, you don't have to accept their lifestyle.

Homosexual activity is a choice. Gay people who practice gay sex are living in sin, just like married people who practice sex outside the marriage, there is no difference in the eyes of God. Gay people can chose not to have homosexual relations, just like married people can choose not to have adulterous relationships.

It's pretty simple really, now if you could only get one Gay person to admit that you'd be doing good.

Like I said their brains go into hibernation mode when you talk about morals, they can't admit their shortcomings, Pride one of the greatest sins of all.

BFIH: That's where you're wrong. Whether Maine keeps same-sex marriage or not will not affect me and my partner at all. We've been together this long without marriage, and don't need it to keep our relationship going strong. Sure, we'd like it, but it isn't necessary. And if Maine decides to stay in the Dark Ages, there are other states where we can receive legal recognition and benefit for our union.

One thing is for certain. The subject of gay marriage brought a lot of response. Some people for it, some people against it. For myself, this month marks my 50th wedding anniversary to the woman I love. Live and let live. Everyone has the right to be happy. Just because YOU may be against it, it does not make it wrong for two people of same gender to get married. GET OVER IT.

Three sodomites, two lesbians and two Nubian (goats) desire to marry. A mutual pact is concluded such that they will share the duties and responsibilities of the household and adopt five children of various racial and ethnic backgrounds. Love, of course, should be in abundance for obvious reasons. There should be no issues about the homosexual lifestyle since it will soon be a fait accompli throughout the Nation. Canada is already introducing legislation to permit multiple participants to marry, and America will soon follow. The issue, it seems, is whether or not the Nubians should be permitted to enjoy the benefits equated with marriage. Or, should the Nubians be restricted to civil unions only based on their ancestry somewhere along the evolutionary chain? After all, animal rights activists will look at this differently; and as our views of society change and evolve and the courts become more empathic to social mores, should we not as a society be more accepting of relationships that clearly benefit children?

Oh, and BFIH, just a point of semantics: "gay lover" is redundant.

When I drive into the state of Maine, the sign now should read "FINALLY THE WAY LIFE SHOULD BE"

Talking about a male again der i mean duh

After 19 and a half years, I can marry my beloved in the state of Maine. Celebrate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I didn't get to vote on whether or not any Hetetro should be joined in matrimony. Peace to all. Lets Love one another. Let's smile upon each other, We all need each other. Come to my wedding, All are welcome in my life.

Thank you, George. Please accept my wishes to you and your wife for a very happy 50th Anniversary and many more anniversaries to come.

@BFIH: Invective is a sure sign of a losing argument. Shall I take this as your concession?

theothermaine:

oh, you sound so familiar....ha ha ha.....yeah, theothermaine!! you are on such close terms with someone else here....you are so transparent, it is pathetic.

Oh yes.....we went over this before......about working on the computer.....where I work should be of absolutely no concern to you....that I took time off for a yearly eye exam is none of your business either. anyway,"theothermaine" we have been over this before....you oh so familiar one on here you.....you must not work very much......

It is AGENDA... the correct spelling of the word you used, you control freak.....stupid!!

haakon:

Thanks for sharing that! 4:22 PM (time on this site....altho' we know they have the time wrong!)

der_untergang , your a sick pup....

So let me ask all you gays a question Male of Female. If any of you have any self respect you'll answer honestly.

Do you think Gay sex is morally wrong?

It's a yes or no answer, no elaboration required.

Haakon you answer, you haven't been around here too long, let me take you to the test.

YOU have A LIBERAL governor,,, all of the members of the Catholic Church should not put a dine in the collection basket for every time there is a same sex marriage in THE STATE OF MAINE THIS COMING SUNDAY NOBODY PUT ONE CENT IN THE BASKET, EVERY TIME THERE IS A SAME SEX MARRIAGE do not

give a dime to all of the PRIEST who had an affair with one of the women parish women, just do not give a pennie to the Church not one pennie.

I think that, as a whole is a slap in the Catholic Church and the BIBLE. When I go up to Maine and go to Chruch in a Catholic Church I will not put one pennie

in the collection basket, IS THE BISHOP OF MAINE GOING TO GET MARRIED TO THE GOVERNOR OF MAINE? You got some nerve Gov Baldacci for signing this bill, Your wife should be very proud of you , but wait, maybe she has a same sex in her mind. How about this THE STATE OF MAINE HAS THE FIRST GOVERNOR, AND THE FIRST LADY, GETTING A SAME SEX MARRIAGE ,,,,, WHAT HEADLINES THAT WOULD MAKE FOR THE BANGOR DAILY NEWS. THE MOST LIBERAL NEWSPAPER IN AMERICA,, MAINE IS GOING DOWN VERY FAST,,,, DOWN DOWN DOWN,,,,, GOD BLESS MAINE AND ALL OF THE SAME SEX

MARRIAGE AND THE POOR CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO PUT UP WITH THE TEASEING THAT THEY WILL GET IN SCHOOL,,, SAME SEX HIGH SCHOOL IN MAINE,,,,,,,,, Maine has lost a lot of people that wants to have a perfect family and two moms and two dads will not do it,,, BLESS YOU MAINE

here is the senate roll call

vote them out on election dayRollcall Details for Senate Roll-call #54

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Overview

Date: April 30, 2009

Motion: PASS TO BE ENGROSSED AS AMEND

Number of Yeas Required: 18 (simple majority)

Outcome: PREVAILS

Yeas (Y): 21

Nays (N): 14

Absent (X): 0

Excused (E): 0

Member Party Vote

ALFOND of Cumberland D Y

BARTLETT of Cumberland D Y

BLISS of Cumberland D Y

BOWMAN of York D Y

BRANNIGAN of Cumberland D Y

BRYANT of Oxford D Y

COURTNEY of York R N

CRAVEN of Androscoggin D Y

DAMON of Hancock D Y

DAVIS of Cumberland R N

DIAMOND of Cumberland D Y

GERZOFSKY of Cumberland D Y

GOODALL of Sagadahoc D Y

GOOLEY of Franklin R N

HASTINGS of Oxford R N

HOBBINS of York D Y

JACKSON of Aroostook D N

MARRACHÉ of Kennebec D Y

McCORMICK of Kennebec R N

MILLS of Somerset R Y

MITCHELL of Kennebec D Y

NASS of York R N

NUTTING of Androscoggin D Y

PERRY of Penobscot D Y

PLOWMAN of Penobscot R N

RAYE of Washington R N

RECTOR of Knox R Y

ROSEN of Hancock R N

SCHNEIDER of Penobscot D Y

SHERMAN of Aroostook R N

SIMPSON of Androscoggin D Y

SMITH of Piscataquis R N

SULLIVAN of York D Y

TRAHAN of Lincoln R N

WESTON of Waldo R N

@bfih: gay sex, in and of itself, is neither morally wrong, nor morally right. It is merely sexual activity between two persons of the same gender. What makes something morally right or wrong is the intention behind the act along with the act. I do not believe that the physical expression of love between two loving, consenting adults is morally wrong.

Feel free to mark that down as either a "yes" or a "no" as you see fit.

I guess you don't know me very well haakon...........let's go surferboy

Bigfoot @ 4:24...hey, guess what...heterosexual activity is a choice too. What's your point? If it's not just for the sake of reproduction, then it's for pleasure. Straights do it with opposite sex partners and gays with same sex, each as a result of who we’re naturally attracted to.

Jeez, get over this and have some fun in your life.

SATAN MUST BE LAUGHING IN GLEE. ANOTHER WIN FOR HIM.

To all you readers outside of Maine, I want to apologize for a once-great state that has lost its way. Sad day for most of us.

BFIH: I doubt that anyone here is the authority on morality, whether it involves gay sex or anything else.

good for you and your partner , haakon

What? People of the same sex can marry each other in Maine?

seacoast

my point was about adultery and gay sex being morally wrong.

But according to haakon, adultery is merely sexual activity between two persons of the opposite gender. What makes something morally right or wrong is the intention behind the act along with the act. I do not believe that the physical expression of love between two loving, consenting adults is morally wrong.

I guess two people involved in an adulterous relationship, as long as they are in love and consenting, are not doing anything morally wrong.

Jesus Christ, where the hell has this concept been all of my life?? I'll have to tell my wife about it "Hey Wife look!!! Finally haakon has revealed the true meaning of sin and morals!! Adultery is not immoral after all!!"

Statements like that haakon show the rest of us that you really are as stupid as you sound.

I am both surprised and VERY happy Maine did this, and from reading such incredibly insensitive comments from alot of you, deeply sad to realize how far people need to go to be tolerant and sensitive to other's needs. I am straight, married to a wonderful wife, and can't for the LIFE of me see how this could possibly affect me in any way. If two people love each other, who are we to try to stop them from marriage? I say live and let live.

I saw two ducks in the river outside my workplace. one was colorful (male) and the other was kind of plain (female). I said to a co-worker "there's an argument for traditional marriage right there." Homosexuality falls outside of what is natural. We should love all people, but here's the loving truth...what we have is a new law, however temporary. What we do not have is a true marriage.

No bigfoot, adultery is wrong. Why? Because there's a victim...the person who's being cheated on.

Interesting, BFIH. I don't recall mentioning adultery, yet you have no compunctions in attributing words to me that aren't my own. Isn't that known as bearing false witness?

As to your opinion of what constitutes morally acceptable behavior, I think it is clear by now that you and I are of differing opinions. And given that yours seems to be based on the religious beliefs to which you subscribe, let me remind you that they have no bearing on secular law. Your dogma is not the basis of law in Maine or elsewhere in the United States. We are not and never have been a theocracy.

You are free to live by the moral code to which you subscribe up to the point where your activities infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.

Baldacci what are you going to tell your maker now?

seacoast

FYI.........contrary to popular belief, sexual intercourse was developed by God for humans to procreate.

Not for our exclusive use in the pleasure dome.

Tiff: Had you looked beyond your immediate surroundings, you might have learned that same-gender relationships appear in nearly every species examined. Try broadening your horizons a bit.

In all seriousness, if this does pass and become the social norm, the future of the US and are children is doommed.

I can picture it now, the next war we'll probably loose because all our kids/troops we'll know for self-defense is how to b!tch slap.

whatever haakon

keep telling yourself you don't have to answer to a higher power.

keep believing you're not acting morally wrong when you surf the choclate highway.

There's a place for people like you, you'll see when you get there, and then let's see who was right or wrong here on earth.

Gay sex is perverted and immoral.........PERIOD.

People would be a lot more forgiving if you'd just admit that.

Seacoast

You are an idiot. Adultery is wrong because someone gets hurt?? Adultery is wrong because it's morally wrong God said so.

Great theory, none of your pals will agree with you when you tell them that abortion is wrong, after all you're hurting the baby arent you??

Morals are based on religion you fools, not your concept of morality seen through your own eyes.

@Knowitall: Is your masculinity so threatened by two gay men or lesbians having the ability to form a legally-recognized relationship? It may come as news to you, but gays and lesbians have been around throughout recorded history, and very likely since the dawn of mankind. Straight people seem to have coexisted with us without any danger of losing their masculinity or femininity, and recognizing same-sex relationships will not change this.

What is more likely to return to the norm is the desire for couples, both straight and gay, to enter into marriage.

Well, at least they prevented casino gambling because it would lead to moral decay....See you in November!!!

Ah yes, when all else fails, BFIH, threaten eternal damnation. Between that, your "whatever" and your use of invective earlier, I think it is pretty clear that you have nothing further to contribute. We'll count this as a loss for you and wish you better luck next time.

IS IT TRUE THAT ALL THE GAY COUPLES OF THE WORLD WILL BE COMING TO MAINE TO HAVE THEIR SAME SEX MARRIAGES BLESSED?

Only asking!

Butt Pirate.....

@Mainelyme: No, gay couples may now choose between Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Iowa and (barring a referendum) Maine if they wish to marry in the United States. There are several countries outside the US that allow same-sex marriage or civil unions, so I wouldn't worry overmuch about Maine getting flooded with foreigners just yet.

But, quite frankly, Maine could use the revenue that such weddings would generate.

What in God's name was Balacci thinking when he signed the gay right to marry law? I for one hope there is a petition to repeal the law, the peoples veto. I also will be one who will sign the peoples veto petition. This is totally disgusting. It's totally immoral and is goes against God's Word! An abomination to God. The Bible clearly states that a marriage is between a man and a woman, not two men or two women. What's coming next? Gays/lesbians right to adopt children? The children will be so confused. They wont know who mom is and wonder where dad is.

Make no mistake: this is not the people of Maine making this decision. It is a too-easily influenced Governor and legislature trying to force gay marriage on the voters. Every voter needs to speak out about this. This should be the people's choice, not one forced on them. We should all be ashamed of ourselves for having elected so-called representatives more interested in representing their own partisan politics and personal agendas than the people they supposedly represent. We all know this is not something the people of Maine would vote for. I can't wait until this can be voted on and rejected by the REAL people of Maine. And trust me, I will donate every penny I can to anyone running AGAINST Governor Baldacci should he have nerve enough to ever try to run for any public office again. I encourage you all to do the same.

*sigh* Once again for the terminally illiterate: "God's law" is not secular law. We are not a theocracy. Gays and lesbians already have the right to adopt children in many states, and have been doing so for quite a while now. All of the studies done on children living with same-sex parents have demonstrated that the children are no different in any measurable way, save for having more open minds. Children won't be confused if they are not lied to. They will know who mom and dad are if they are told the truth.

Seriously, is there some barrier to intellect in Maine? Can anyone there use Google?

haakon

admit it you are participationg in a morally wrong activity.

you are living in sin as long as you do.

Pretty simple, try to explain it to your maker, the one who allows you to even feel love, the one that gave you a spirit. you can't deny that buddy, you don't have to give me credence, but you do have to give HIM what HE deserves.

Other than that, keep your perverted and deviant lifestyle out of my childrens field of view. You are all sick and your activities are an abomination. A blow to humanity and the social structure.

klgrube: exactly who are the "real" people of Maine? Seriously. What you are saying is that homosexual citizens of Maine are not "real" people of Maine ... Who gets to decide who is a "real person of Maine" and who is not a "real person of Maine"?

You need to work harder on your argument.

SUP Scatman???

Get your windows washed today?

greens04952-I never claimed to be God nor perfect. We all sin everyday and none of us are better than anyone else. However, my opinion is that marriage should stay between one man and one woman and not the same sex. And God does forgive sinners but for him to forgive you, you need to repent and ask him for forgiveness.

The people of Maine haven't spoken yet.

Get the ballots out, let's put this to bed people.

ammo1971 The Maine Motto is Drigo Which means I lead...and to that as Maine goes so goes the Nation

haakon: don't fret, you are reading the incoherent spewage from the dregs of the hopeless deadenderz, most of whom have little confederate flag stickers on their trux, even though they are from Maine.

searoses

you'te quite and intellect, ever been out of maine? your statement is highly arguable.

BFIH: I admit no such thing. As God is a constant presence in my life, my partner's life and is the basis of our commitment together, I have nothing to hide from God or to be ashamed of regarding the nature of my relationship with my partner. We are God-led and God-blessed.

As you know nothing of me beyond what I have chosen to share here (which is precious little) your opinion as to the deviance of my "lifestyle" is meaningless. It would likely come as a surprise to you to learn that on the whole, we're rather boring. We live a middle-class life with a single-family home, two-car detached garage, a couple of cats, one dog and one son who is living at home while attending University. We both work hard and continually strive to better professional opportunities through education, certification, research and so on. We're very non-provocative, we look and sound pretty darned ordinary, and it is a very safe bet that being gay is the *least* interesting thing about us.

But if it makes you feel better about yourself and the moral high ground you have decided you are standing on, by all means think of us as you will. I can guarantee you that it will not affect us in the least.

@DouglasWatts: Not to worry. The times I've spent in Maine were very pleasant. I found the people there to be kind, friendly and generous on the whole.

I've lived in several states and traveled to many more, and I've lived several years outside the country. Believe me when I say that Maine has no monopoly on ignorance. Each place has its share. I also know that the ones sounding off are the vocal minority.

hey Dougie

don't fret, the real people of maine will vote this down.

i'd rather have a southern cross than a rainbow pasted all over my truck.

and that's saying a lot.

As far as the ballot question is concerned, I'm interested to hear what folks like BFIH would do if a voter referendum supported same-sex marriage rather than overturned it. Any comments on this, BFIH?

It took thousands of years for humans to develop and adopt civilized, moral, and honorable institutions. All is being destroyed in a generation by those who can only be relevent by being abnormal. We now live in a nation that advocates killing babies, has made the union of a man and a woman for the safe raising of children a mockery, rewards indecent behavior and failure, and refuses to allow teaching of morals.

It's a sad day when civilized, honorable, hard working people are forced to support and defend those who aren't and won't.

holy Christ haakon.

you are one whacked out individual if you think God is blessing your gay relationship.

i can't even believe you just said that.

what a wing nut. i'm done with you there in lala land.

Oh wait......

How the hell did you get a son??

haakon

no comment because it won"t happen, if it did, I'd seriously consider moving out of Maine to protect my children.

chersully-before you blast people for spelling incorrectly, you should learn how to spell yourself! Are is spelled ARE not ae...whose stupid now!

haakon: well said. thx.

this is probly the most effective economic development law the Maine Legislature and Baldacci have enacted in the past 8 years.

This is just another example of the governor not doing what the majority of the people in the state want. He must think that he isfar more progressive than the rest of us. You would have thought the governor would have learned something from the last vote. Unfortunately he did not learn a damn thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know plenty of gay people and have no problem with them being gay but all of them are incapable of carrying out a monogamous relationship. If this passes I think most would only get married just to have the benefits that come with being married.

Also, I think if gay marriage becomes acceptable that it would be taught in schools and I don't want any future child of mine know that being gay is now an option and all of a sudden think its super taking it in the pooper.

@haakon: for the most part masculinity and being gay don't go hand in hand. How many masculine gay guys do you know? I'd bet none. Most girls are more masculine than gay men so if this passes and being gay is now acceptable I fore see the downfall of the US because lets face more children would turn out gay due to the fact of it being more socially acceptable. If passing this law wasn't going to increase more PDA by gays it wouldn't be so bad but lets face it with marriage comes more PDA

bigfootinheels, I am not a protestant I actually grew up Catholic! A bigger bunch of hypocrites you'll never see! And yes in my house I am the boss....I don't believe homosexuality is a choice for anyone! WHY would anyone subject themselves to the hatefulness of others? bigfootinheels you ask if gays think that gay sex is morally wrong? Are you married? Ever had a relationship with that included oral sex? Is that wrong? I don't want to know what you are doing in your bedroom or what anyone else is! It is frankly none of my business or yours! Do you only have sex to reproduce? Is it wrong to have sex after a vasectomy? No procreation there! How many children do you have?

Tiff49 maybe 'marriage' should be something that happens just in a church and the state should only issue 'civil union' licenses. As long as the rights are equal for all those under civil unions! Separation of church and state is an important thing....once that line is crossed you have to figure out WHICH religion the state will represent! This has nothing to do with religion!

GeorgeCrossman your post at 4:27 says it all I wish more people had that attitude...that is exactly how I feel!

haakon I agree with your 4:55pm post totally LOVE IT! so true!

hahahakon

If believing that you and your "pardner" are morally correct, that is your opinion, although wrong. God never ordained or intended for two persons of the same sex to do more than work the land together. Animals have more common sense than you do. You have a very "wordly" view of the bible if you think otherwise.