Panel backs transgender woman in restroom case

The moral of the story is that all you have to do to hang out in the ladies room is dress like a woman. Maybe they will put in urinals in the ladies room until this person has reassignment surgery.

LMFAO

Another whacko decision by a bunch of whackos in Augusta!! Welcome to la la land.

Note: transgendered is not even a word; much less a person.

Trans mean across or beyond.

But somehow [ only in ME. or CA.] a collection of left coast [ it's all good ] 'gendered' individuals 'like' feel the need to enforce a drag queen's right to go into [any] restroom where a child [escorted or not] might have --- questions and everlasting ones.

You have some sick dudes in powerful places.

It clearly is a world 'gone mad' when a man with obvious psychological problems has more rights than normal people. Also, why is this man referrred to as a 'she'? Sorry, but if a human has a penis and testicles the gender is male. If this male wants to think of himself as 'a woman trapped in a man's body' than this person is crazy. Real women should not have to tolerate these guys. Pit-i-ful decision.

I beg difference in alot of people. Transgender is a word. And we are people just like you. We must live the role of Male to female or Female to Male for at least a year before ever even thinking about surgery. You call yourself a real woman, in your eyes, what is a real woman. A person is a person. We are all people, not out to hurt or offend anyone, but some of us have good intentions.

Transgender may be a word, but then again, so is deviant. This is a stupid decision by a commission obviously ill equipped mentally to make informed decisions on matters of this type. Whether Denny's appeals or not, my guess is that they have the support of 99.9% of their customers on this one. Only in Maine!

Just let everyone use the same restrooms. Teach little Mary that that ain't a cute little sink with a waiting bar of soap in it, and teach little johnny that dispenser doesn't have any goodies in it for him.

I've been a professional Female Impersonator in top New York City Nightclubs for years now.

I much prefer to use a locked stall men's room as I do consider myself to be very much male.

Plus, I really can't see myself standing at a urinal with a fabulous dress on.

When I use a restroom it's because I have to go-not to make a statement.

Newspeak: "gender-nonconforming."

Ha-Ha what a riot-just as I predicted afew months ago-first comes gay marrige then comes this!!

Just what I always wanted to hear, a woman peeing beside me in a public restroom. You know, that sound they make as opposed to the sound a man makes when he pee's. There's a discernable difference. I can't wait. signed - just-another-pervert (Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, {ROFLMMFAO} ha)

Maine Civil Liberties Union and Equality Maine.....bah humbug !! Maine is becoming a real cesspool .

Wow what a story... makes me proud to be a Mainer.... soon we'll have pedophiles as school teachers because they have rights too.... and all I have to do is put on a dress...ha!! These liberal pablem pukers will not be done until Maine is the destination point for all sexually screwed of "people" can't have a casino but........ this really is not funny!!! It's sick.... and again our elected officials are to blame....

freaks have rights also...

what exactly qualifies as dressing like a women... tight jeans and a t-shirt...?? sounds like an opening for all of the perverts to come out of the wood work. This world is just to frigged up!!

shipbuilder- define "NORMAL" to me.

I agree that until the sex change is completed they are the same person they were born as. Sorry thats how its done. And yes, they do make people wait a year before allowing a sex change- WHAT?! I want my damn baby factory yanked out but noooo im too young. WTF is that BS?! But i can go trade my innie for an outie!? Not fair, not fair at all!

As for the mens room, i can see how they might be at risk, god forbid he/she runs into one of you psycho rednecks in the dennys restroom! Hell... I'VE gone into a mens room because i didn't want to wait.... guess what it was empty. Women's rooms have locking stalls, no one will see her in there doing her thing. If people are worried about their children then they need to wake up!!! FIRST OFF- you let your child go into a restroom ALONE? SECOND, There are women sex offenders... and MANY of them. That is a BS excuse.

After the sex change, she can use it.

Let's jump overboard making sure a transgendered person has more rights than a "natural" woman or even a young girl who really does not need an education with the potential this issue has. Good grief. Find a bathroom with a single person setup so you don't offend.

This is wrong then what they are now saying is that a man can dress up like a lady and go use the ladies restroom when ever they want to and it is okay. very wrong!!!

Would you allow your children to go into a public restroom if you knew transgenders were allowed to go in there?

Maybe being transgendered isn't about genitals, but going to the bathroom is. If it's in a locked stall who cares? If somebody is uncomfortable with somebody else going to the bathroom too bad. Don't look you pervert.

There are signs on the doors of public bathrooms, many are in writing they say Women or Men, as far as I know these two words have not been redefined to mean something else. If you do not know which you are check in your underware before you leave your home. If you still don't know look it up in Websters. I have never seen anything on any door that says this restroom applies according to what you are wearing. Last I heard it was illegal to be a man using a ladies room and vice versa.

Thats what i think, AFTER he becomes a she, then SHE can used the WOMENS restroom. Same as if a woman became a male... she could use the mens after she becomes a he! haha.

Why wouldnt you elizabeth?!?!

What the hell.HE is a MAN.YOU use the MENS room.What the hell is this state comin too.

Sounds like our courts will be full of cases of such as this. Interesting road we'll be traveling down. The law hasn't been passed yet and we're already seeing the ramifications of such chosen behavior. I knew this would happen. Now public buildings will have restrooms male, female, male - female, female-male.

I cannot believe the comments that people are leaving here.. Just because you consider yourself “normal” does not mean that you have the right to put any other human being down for being different than you are… You need to know that not everyone is the same, people ARE different, and should not be treated like sacks of dirt because of it. Shame on all of you. A transgendered person has far more going on in their lives than any of you would even want to imagine, I’m sure, and doesn’t need the added stress of not even being able to go to the bathroom when they are in public without a public outcry! Some of you say “If you have a penis, use the men’s room, if not, use the women’s”. What if a transgender has fooled you all until she walks into the men’s room wearing a skirt…. Imagine the comments that posters would have then. Of course, that would be wrong, as well, even though its your solution

The only reason i say “If you have a penis, use the men’s room, if not, use the women’s” is because that is the line dividing male and female. That's the only way it could be a legal issue. Otherwise we'd all be using the same bathroom together. There are single person bathrooms, but not everywhere. So to tell a transgender male, who hasn't had the change yet that HE, cause hes still male, can use the women's restroom is no different than telling any male that its ok to use the womens restroom. or vice versa. Women take their young sons into the restroom with them all the time.

I can honestly say I would have a problem with a "law" that allows men to dress up as women and enter the ladies room. No offense to the transgenders (to each his/her own) but this WOULD definately create a loop holes for the crazy perverts that just want to enter and get their rocks off on some lady doing her business!!!

Down the slippery slope this sick, old, sinful world goes, further and faster!

WHOA are you F*ing kidding me?! How in the world is it the same as taking your 5 year old boy into the ladies bathroom with you? Don't be crazy here just to prove your point! What are you supposed to do with HIM? You're not gonna leave your kid at the lay-a-way desk at Kmart by himself for goodness sake!

vchapes: in fairness I think I misunderstood your post...sorry :)

I'm not saying it like that. I was saying that because of the “If you have a penis, use the men’s room, if not, use the women’s”. Obviously they can't just leave the kid whereever. But the people worried about children using the same restroom as transgenders should be in that restroom with their children.

haha its all gravy!

The poll is horrible. That makes it sound like they could use either one. No, it shouldn't be that way. But how would you KNOW if they had the operation? Restroom security making everyone lift their skirt? I can see this being a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG LONNNNNNNG battle.

I guess this must be the case of a small town where everyone knows that this person is transgendered. If I went into the ladies room and saw a person who I thought may be a man dressed as a woman, I don't think I would ever dare to report it, for fear that it was really a woman with excessive male hormones, and then I would be horribly embarrassed and feel terrible for making a scene!

I guess as women and mothers we will now have to be more vigilant. I am not a liberal and do not necessarily agree with this decision, however, being transgendered is not a crime. I just hope that this does not become an avenue for pedophiles to act on. But I'm sure as all mothers are, I constantly have my eyes open looking for danger. At the end of the day we are the only ones responsible for our children's safety, not the government. I do agree, however, that some laws may make it a more difficult task.

Denny's isn't the only organization that needs diversity training to know what genital non-conforming means. Great decision. Clearlywe need new expanded rules for appropriate social behavior. I'm referring to the comments here.

Europe has always had restrooms for the general public, not gender specific, and those countries have not fallen apart. It's just a restroom, get a grip. Further, my uncle who has advanced Parkinson's disease is unable to do most necessary things for himself. When they are out, his wife accompanies him to the restroom to assist him with what needs to be done. No big deal. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

JonAlbrecht,

Good decision my arse! What about the rights of the woman who complained? She had to share a "womans" rest room with a man. This is just a logical result of all the policies pushed by you liberals and gay arsekissers, who want to tear down the kind of traditional society that was a cornerstone of this great country.

Well, the hell with you liberal wussies! I can't wait to vote against so called "gay marriage" this fall either. You pinko sissy lovers are going down baby!

What about the rights of the customer who was so upset to find herself next to a man relieving himself in the bathroom?.. And why is it unsafe for a transgender to use the men's room until they make the final decision to have the surgery to remove the penis? This is assuming that bad things can happen in the bathroom....if that is the case then why are we opening the door to allow men who may or may not choose to dress like women in the ladies room?...Wouldn't that be unsafe? And what about public accomodations in schools...health clubs...locker rooms...is it ok to have sexually uncommitted persons in those facilities? What is the level of proof that must be presented that a person is male or female before they can make the choice of which room to choose...I believe that level of proof comes about when the final irreversible step of surgery has been completed.

I think kids would not be awfully alarmed by the presence of a masculine-looking woman (granted that he/she is using the stalls appropriately and not causing any trouble) in the women's room.

It really depends on how the parent would react, and it seems that most of you are pretty shabby parents, instilling your hate in small people like that. Shame!

But that's the way it goes.

Bigotry and hate is generational. The gift that keeps on giving.

That may be the level of proof, but how would one proove it?

To respond to fearless...I am listening to your point of view, and I agree that there is quite definately alot that someone going through such a process must have to deal with...stress, confusion, and even fear. But please do me the courtesy of listening another side of the issue...The so called "normal" people feal all those things as well...Stress, confusion, and fear are all emotions that a girl may feel when she finds herself unexpectedly next to a male in ladies room.

Understanding needs to come from both sides...

I used to get upset at comments like the above -- wondering what could breed such hate, stupidity and ignorace -- until I started watching Trailer Park Boys.

Now I get it.

Kathie, how do you suggest that we distinguish the pre-surgery and post-surgery transgenders?

omg i had to watch trailer park boys after you said that...... wow.

I guess the level of proof would be one of omission...the absence of the knowledge that there is someone with male genitalia in the room. This whole issue came up because someone knew that a biologic male was in the ladies room. I'm sure there have been and will be many transgenders using restrooms that we'll never know about...no big deal. But the fact that someone was so upset because they knew someone of the opposite sex was in the bathroom is very real...

And once the business owners know about this particular person, and that it is emotionally distressing to their customers, how can you expect them to tell girls and women to basically "get over it"?

Yeah, vchapes, finally watching that show really puts most of the posters (and a good chunk of the local news stories like the police blotter etc.) in total perspective.

Some people are just stupid, apparently. And you can't fix stupid, at least not in a fictional trailer park in Nova Scotia.

Right markko. Try watching GUMMO... thats in Ohio.

Chrissakes, I'd be alarmed and I'm a grown man.

Send out to the pee tree.

easy fix, make all the public places that have facilities add a 3rd restroom, then we can have a men's room, a ladies room, and a pre-op, still not sure room...........I'm sure it'll make sense in Augusta........

No they are NOT purgatory! It has NOTHING to do with perversion!!!

markko

If you don't mind it so much, why don't we make some transgender bathrooms, that way since you are so tolerant you can opt to use those bathrooms. That'll get your rocks off buddy!!

And don't forget to send your kids in too!!

What the Christ is wrong with you people??

I'd ban it from the resturaunt alltogether. What do these freaks think anyway, we have to put up with this weird crap??

bigfoot, now when I read your drivel, I have a mental image in my mind about who you are. Before Trailer Park Boys it was all a mystery.

I was under the idiotic impression that everyone who has a computer actually has a brain and was brought up by good parents.

This is clearly not the case.

Congratulations on your computer purchase, bigfoot. I'm sure we'll soon be reading your witty but astute column in Esquire soon.

honestly, i have used the mens room when the ladies room line is long. we all use the same bathroom at home, and some resturants acutally have only 1 bathroom. The problem here is people are making a big deal out of nothing. if the indivudual wasnt in the bathroom checking out people who cares.

When will they understand that some crap just is not ever going to be accepted, you know why?? Because I'm teaching my kids that those people are weird and that they should stay away from them, period. And I know 95% of the parents in my community are teaching the same values.

The proof is in the pudding. These people have more than a busted spring upstairs.

Stop trying to make them look normal, they are NOT NORMAL!!!!

Well, bigfoot, we have to put up with you. What's fair is fair.

Hey Markko

Are you still posting here?? After you made such a fool of yourself a few weeks back??

Now that was some trailer park drivel if I've ever seen it. Should I find it and repost for you??? And all the rest to see??

Shut your yap wingnut. It'll suit you better.

Easy westie.

Don't get all huffed up.

I'm not 'normal' according to the 'how to be normal' handbook..... come on! This a ridiclous. Southtexaskate has a good point. If you are going into the bathroom to pee and get back to you meal then you shouldn't be paying any mind to whoever else is there.

Markko blew out a few blood vessels a coupla weeks ago.

Should someone be forced to show their genitals just to use a particular restroom? I was mistaken for a boy numerous times as a child and I would be mortified it someone forced me to use the mens room.

If someone has made the commitment to live as the opposite sex, then using a restroom is part of living. As long as it is a closed stall, and the person is not causing any trouble, I really dont care. Now if some trashy perv throws on a wig and hangs out in the ladies room hoping to catch a peek, that is different.

The only reason that it would not be safe for this person to use the mens room is because of closeminded homophobes who are full of hate for anyone that does not conform to the norms of society.

Bigfooot, Just who is getting huffy? Try taking a peak in a mirror.

Why should you be forced to keep it in the closet? Because you might offend someone?? Boo Hoo. Everyone is entitled to live their life as they see fit. It's not up to any one of us to tell them different.

Yes, bigfootinheels, that's what I basically said, not that you read anything I write. I said I did used to get upset by the idiots like you on here, but that was before I saw Trailer Park Boys. Now I understand this is your "park," and you don't care how it looks to the outside world. You live in your own filth and don't even know it.

On 5/20/09 at 10:42 AM, vchapes wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

I'm not 'normal' according to the 'how to be normal' handbook..... come on! This a ridiclous. Southtexaskate has a good point. If you are going into the bathroom to pee and get back to you meal then you shouldn't be paying any mind to whoever else is there.

vchapes

Only problem it when your little 5 year old girl goes into the ladies room and there's a 6'8 ex linebacker that''s dressed like a woman, now do you think that wouldn't scare the bejesus out of your little girl?

C'mon people lets use some common sense, if these freaks want to go out into public like this, let them have a little respect for the rest of the "normal" population. Can't they find a GD private bathroom to use?? Holy Christ it's not rocket science. The problem is when you get a guy like me who sees someone like that walk in after my little girl just went in, I'd go in and ask the fool to leave the restroom, an argument would ensue and I'd end up putting the freak in the hospital.

Now therein lies the problem, because of a freakshow, I now am charged with aggravated assault, a good upstanding father just trying to take his wife and kids to Sunday brunch and this is how it goes.

Some things will never be accepted. EVER!

vchapes:

Good point.....re 8:05

Yes,"Psycho rednecks", as you say.......maybe people should think about what they should really "fear".

I was in a woman's restroom recently and a man came in with a child. The child apparently is use to going into a restroom with his/her mother, and so did not want to use the men's room. I am not equating this with the transgender using the restroom. The point is, there are some that might say well, maybe that man wasn't really in there for that purpose . Some women may not have wanted to use the rest room while that man was in there. So, everything isn't always what it seems, and people "fear" different things, and often needlessly.

HOLY COW bigfoot... thats a lil overboard. First off if i had a 5year old little girl, she wouldn't be going anywhere by herself, even the bathroom. My children (if i ever have any) will be raised to be open to other peoples differences. now when you mention 6'8 ex linebacker i can't help but look at your name and laugh. sorry.

Exactly chersully- people would rather fear then think rationally about the situation. It's easier to look down at someone than it is to consider how they may feel, or that they could be a wonderful person.

markko

way to try and minimize me.

joke's on you buddy.

BTW, I can assure you my trailer is almost 6,000 square feet, 3 levels and on the water. Just wanted to let you know so you wouldn't be under any more wrong assumptions.

So did you get all your evidence to the BDN?? Did they ask you if you were crazy??

I'd like to have been a fly on the wall. But hey, if you take it all with a grain of salt now then I guess you're are considered normal, just like the rest of us.

Of course, we weren't enamored with this blog like you were in the first place. I gotta find that post, it was a classic!!

vchapes, I don't know if you care or not, but bigfoot is a sad, lonely, and (by his/her imaginative story about a bathroom visit that ends up with him "putting a freak in the hospital") delusional person.

he/she is also a troll with multiple usernames.

speaking of delusional... if i keep laughing alone in my office my boss is going to think im nuts.

purgatory_on_harlow: Reference you 10:44 post. "Same thing with discrimination against gays, blacks, fat people, brown people, slant-eyes, jews, gays, mental retardations, transgendered,etc." Your choice of words is, at best unfortunate, and at worse, odious.

westie, purgatory_on_harlow, if I am right, is also a troll and has multiple usernames. Probably the same ones as bigfoot, actually.

vchapes

you gotta admit it would be a little scary for a kid.

you start to think a little differently when you have them though. I'll tell you that for sure.

But what the hell would a Psycho redneck know about protecting his kids. Right Sully??

My young daughters attend both bathrooms depending on who gets the potty commission. However, out of respect to women I would never take them into a female multi-toilet restroom on the basis that a man has no reason to be in a women's restroom. I think this issue has gotten a little too intra-personal and has become fair game for perception. Not that I care if a man exists within a woman's body, or the opposite, but this may lead to a few more problems that positive solutions.

Markko

Don't go trying to figure stuff out again!!!

You know where that got you last time!!!

BWAAHAHAHAHAAHAAABWAHAHAHAAHAAA

I don't give a flying Fu#$ what kind of surgery you've had, you are what you were when you were born. What's next, when babies are born, doctors can no longer say "it's a boy!" or "it's a girl!"? Now they have to say "you'll know in 10 years or so when it decides!". If I see some fu#$ing cross dresser follow my young stepdaughter into the ladies room, if he has not had the sugery done already, I'll eliminate the need for it right there on the spot.

lovedoctor

well said. you mean like broken teeth and wedgies???

No bigfoot, i wouldn't think differently. It wouldn't be scary. I was raised by two lesbians, remember?

boogyman

NICE!!!

markko:

Re 10:59 AM

PERFECT! Right-on!!!

vchapes

OH, I didn't know that.

There are so many comments on this that I gave up reading them, so if this one's already been made I apologize. Forget about bathrooms for a minute and think about the further ramifications of this idiotic decision. Now these men/women " trapped" in bodies with the wrong plumbing can raise the issue in other contexts, like employment for instance. On the basis of this dumb precedent, I assume a transgender schoolteacher, say, can dress however he/she wants in a classroom - wearing a "woman's" dress on Monday and a "man's" suit with tie on Tuesday. And going back to bathrooms, I assume he/she can use either the men's or the women's room, whichever he/she wants.

But let's not stop there. Here's another hypothetical. Let's say that Brianna (formerly known as Bruce) Freeman was a YMCA member and wanted to use the women's locker room instead of the men's. What then?

Hey Sullyputty

Don't you have someplace to be??

Prescriptions remember?? Prescriptions.

Yes bigfoot. Still like my style? haha

bigfootinheels

You self reportedly have kids of so many sexes and ages you must be running a public orphanage

Does the city of Bangor know West Broadway is now zoned Commercial Usage Only?

What about your grown boy. who has Downes Syndrome, and his confessed daddy who is a complete drunken mentally disturbed idiot?

DEW get a modicum of intelligence.

While you are busy clicking out other people's postings from sheer jealousy some of us are reading yours just for the HELL of it!

Saint Mary's Church on outer Union Street, huh?

There aren't enough candles in the Catholic Church to be lit that would relieve you of your severe sexually repressed problems.

I just told God I want my dolllar back.

Now if this 6'8 ex linebacker was eyeballing my daughter before following her into the bathroom... ok. But to just be in the same bathroom isnt the endof the world.

Or to give it as a credit to the National Human Rights Campaign!

markko , chersully2000, minelime, and a host of others seem to 'pride' themslves with being self appointed cyber slueth gumshoe BDN comment nazis. Talk about PARANOID! lol, keep up the good wok kids!

vchapes:

You've got it right! 10:56 AM

markko:

You've got it. And he and Fleckman both love to go "waaahaa Waa".....who else in their right mind?! Well, you get the point!! They are not even smart enough to play their game without looking like fools!

Yeah, now that I think about it, which child HASN'T been in BOTH the Men's and Women's public restrooms THROUGHOUT their ENTIRE little lives??

By the logic of some of these people, if children see a woman in a men's room or a man in a women's room they will be "terrified, scared, freaaaked ouuuut maaan!" and I have never seen the damage caused by these brief visits to poo and pee.

I thought that was the primary function of restrooms, not to stand around, checking people's equipment.

Silly me!

I guess I wasn't brought up in the Park!

Excuse me, where can I meet this 6'8 ex linebacker?

I always wear White Jockey Briefs for support under my dresses.

I'd like to find out what he wears under his!

Right markko! I mean if thats the case... what about peeing on the side of the road?!?!

God forbid any of the "normal" people have to bend a little, or see any other point of view. Lets just continue to make the "abnormal" people feel as uncomfortable as possible. I mean, they deserve it, right? They aren't like us... We don't want to feel uncomfortable, but I'm sure they LOVE it.

markko:

The proof is in the pudding......11:13 AM Unreal.

He needs to get a new gig!!! Ha ha ha......

haha mainelyme; hes a friend of bigfoots.

Chersully. YOU are so obsessed your online at midnight posting!! talk about being lonley! When was the last time you engaged in face to face contact with someone? Shut in's like you are so sad.

Hey, wait a minute, markko

I volunteer for the police, gay guys and Raccoons in the park.

You know; the famous one.

shut ins??? where else should she be at midnight?!? hanging out in brewer? come on fleckman, really?

Not paranoid at all....just sick of your crap. 11:13 AM Look in the mirror and you will see who is delusional, paranoid and very disturbed.

Fleckman/4shame/BFIH:

You have major issues.....get some help.

vchapes: re 11:16 AM You have caught on!! markko and others did a long time ago....good for you!!

purgatory_on_harlow

Of course, I DEW.

I just told you I always wear men's tight white Jockey Briefs under all my dresses for added support.

Does that make you want to go back to bed out of sheer self gratification?

Thanks? What did i catch on to?

She brings it on herself vchapes. playing the perpetual on-line victim. waaaa, someone said something to me on-line I don't like, Im calling the BDN. waaaaaa. Its her common denominator.She cuts and pastes the same comment on multiple sections, I think thats called 'spamming'. A violation of the BDN T.O.S. . She's a double talking two faced unstable insecure wing nut whack job.

I've never had any issue with her, Fleckman. I've generally agreed with most of her posts. Because they make sense!

-Didn't you work there purgatory??

bring back the outhouse and see how many flammin freaks fight over that..

So wha is the proper name for the proceedure of changing a man to a woman? An addadictomy?

No I guess that would be vice versa

vchapes:

re 11:16 Am

"He's a friend of bigfoots." Someone posts under multiples here. I think you can see that. Good luck with addressing someone when it is really "the other". The smart ones on this site....like you, JD2008 and many others see right thru it!!

Sex reassignment surgery

Is this REALLY such a pressing issue in Maine? All the hype over gay marriage, this crap, seems to me there are far more important issues facing Maine on a daily basis than this.

vchapes:

re 11:27 AM

Good one...ha ha ha ha

You are smart!!

well i thought purgatory had another name, but i forget it.

nevermine... he said. well i have one and only one. i have no reason for another.

Well boogyman, if it were actually a word, an addadictomy would not be, as you called it, a "vice versa" (but that indeed sounds like something one of the dumber characters on the Simpsons might say!).. but in fact an oxymoron.

You, however, are just a moron.

sure thing chersully-2000 having multiple usernames is HORRIBLE! I think your human rights have been violated. You whining little people take yourselves way to seriously. I suppose you have to, what with a lifetime of being shunned and all. It's the leading indication you have 'professional victims disease'.

Where are all the Bible verses here....hmmmm.....

You need to get some help....seriously....."Fleckman"et al.......You should not be so interested in the times I (or others) are posting....late, early, it makes no difference..... that should be of little concern or interest to the likes of one such as yourself....you sound very obsessed and delusional. Get some help quick....or you may go over the edge. Oh what is that I am hearing...someone falling over........

Markko, I'll be looking for you trying to follow my kid into the girls room.

Maurice- what is your issue? Really? U say this and that, yet you are doing what you are complaining about!

A lifetime of being shunned? HAHA

P.S. Markko, glad your sister got off easy with just a $500 fine last week.

I wouldn't expect anything less, boogyman (11:34 AM).

You gonna be at your regular post outside the little girls' room?

Sicko.

"Being shunned"?? Look in the mirror...You are talking about yourself. So sad. You know me not at all...but you have gone on and on over the mos trying ot analyze me. You have deep deep issues. Get some help.

I have grown children.....etc.......I have a feeling you have no one at all. You sound truly pathetic and very lost.

Bye now.

chersully, your witty well thought out retorts should be the stuff of awe for 4th graders everywhere. Way to strive for perfection.

I must ask, fleckman, what is your obsession with chersully?

vchapes:

Bingo....re 11:35 AM.

Have a good day!!

"I have grown children.....etc......." And Im sure they had a nice stable well rounded upbringing as 'professional victims' themselves. More panty waist people whining about society in and endless rant.

oh, and RE: 11:35, boogyman...

Yeah, my sister got off with the fine, but she said there was this creepy guy hanging around outside the motel's public restrooms... You know who that could have been?

vchapes, you made a comment about your boss? A couple weeks ago, you owned your own business, are you talking about God? The simple answer is that you should use the bathroom that is appropriate for you current genitalia.

See markko, even chersully is happy for your sister.

No, i never said i OWNED it, i run it. i'm 3rd in charge of the whole operation. never once did i say own.

I don't know markko, probably her real father.

Maurice, honestly, I would call posting all day long on this site, pretending your are different variants of the same dumb-as-a-post hicks, as being a wee bit pathetic.

unfortuneately Sullyputty, you have not caught on, ever, to anything.

That my friend, is a fact.

Markko,

You lips keep moving but I can't hear what you're saying!!

Okay, DEW.

You win

Drop your panties and just lie there!

markko Another crack cyber sleuth!! Keep up the fine work!

Congrats markko!!! He answers you.

WOW. I don't want to get into name calling here but what a bunch of ignorant people. Transgender has nothing to do with SEX and is nowhere in the same league as pedophelia. There are far more dangerous people walking around in plain sight. Most likely use public restrooms at some point in their lives and no one knows the difference. Just walk around your local WalMart and you'll find some truly interesting characters. Gender Identity Disorder and cross dressing are not the same. How is a person in the process of changing sexual identity more unaccpetable than a gay man standing at the urinal next to another man and checking him out. I would think you redneck males would shudder to know the guy next you is checking you out. Perhaps gay men should use women's restroom a they surely are not looking to get any thrills there.

Is there an easy solution here? Probably not. Folks here need to get over themselves. Transgendered people are not looking to get their thrills in bathrooms and are not generally looking to engage in sexual activity either. When entering a restroom, they simply wish to relieve themselves as we all do.

I think the woman who complained at Denny's was angry because the Transgendered person forgot to out the toilet seat back down.

I read all these comments wih a sense of horror and fascination. It seems to me that we are looking at this entire problem as an either or.

Either one group wins or the other does. Either one group is right and the other is wrong. Isn't there a better way to look at it.

The goal, which is simple, is to have a safe space for ALL people (straight, gay, transgendered, disabled, elders, and youth) to

be able to use te restroom. Having a safe restroom for ALL does not take away from anyone elses rights or liberties in any way.

Why not just change the way restrooms are configured? Let them simply be bathrooms. Each having a seperate stall or door with a lock.

It wouldnt matter who was behind the locked door, just that they had safe access to a bathroom.

Then folks have privacy regardless of their parts.

This would take rethinking basic design and accomidations, some places might have to be refitted or redesigned. In the interim there are

simple ways to accomidate all.

Lastly, no one in the society is a waster, or freak or a anything else. The sooner we recognize the humanity of ALL people everywhere the better off the world will be.

Who said about taking a pee along side the road?

I love to take a leak along side the road

Do you know where there are any roads?

They are all called streets and avenues down here.

Chersully2000 claims she knows who I am, well sweetie, we're waiting. You failed to tell all your self absorbed online 'friends' what you call children with Downs Syndrome. I think it was along the lines of 'retard'. How nice.

I did mainelyme. They're all roads to me. I peed on the side of the road in my prom dress once, along side the interstate, In the back of a dumptruck... ill pee anywhere. lol

Mainelyme, sadly,thats one of lifes little pleasures you give up in a large metro area. I believe you'll recieve a ticket for that.

Good idea, let's just place some more burden on small business to go to all the cost to redesign their bathrooms to accomodate the occasional freak that comes in.

I think the people at Denny's did the right thing. If you were a women and belonged to a gym would you want a man with a sex change walking into the locker rooms and watching you change or shower. I'm guessing not. If they're allowed to use any restroom they choose whats not to say they can't use any locker room they choose at the gym?

This is a bit off topic but this post made me come up with an odd question. If a man has a sex change and becomes a women and then proceeds to try and marry another man is that considered a gay marriage and illegal?(I'm talking be about before Baldy passed the soon to be short lived gay marriage bill)

See, i tried to tell people! First it's gay marriage. Now it's transexuals!! If i'm a man and I get a transexual operation into a woman, and marry another woman, does that mean I'm in a gay marriage or a straight marriage??? Dude, it's not gonna stop. Gay and trannies don't want equal rights, they want more rights. It's only gonna be a matter of time until some perverted dude, who puts a dress on and says he's transgendered, walks into the womens bathroom, just to get an eyeful....It's not gonna stop. First gay marriage, next it's tranny rights, and last it will be farm animal rights....Look at the pandora's box Ol' Baldy has opened. Good for you John, this will be your legacy!!! hahaha.

Knowitall- what about lesbians in the locker room. what is the difference. Everyone is making this out to be a big preverted conspiracy.

Vchapes

You see. Sully, anneofmdi and Mainelyme are known as the 3 stooges on here. If there could be 4 of them, I'd put markko in there too.

It's not about perverts. Has NOTHING to do with perverts! It's all you 'normal' fukd in the head people making it perverted. You are the perverts.

vchapes, don't stroke out on us. But I sort of agree. If I have to piss, unless its a trough, only one person at a time can use a 'hole'. once I'm done, I don't care who uses it before of after me. Using a bathroom really can be instant gratification if you have to go bad enough.

Right avani112, but they won't have to put on a dress. All they have to say is that they "identify" themselves as either a man or a woman. It has already come to that with the kid in Old Town. Next it will be school locker rooms that are up for grabs.

markko:

You've got that right! 11:43 AM

vchapes: "They" answer each other. I see through it ........they don't like that. He also does not like it at all when people agree with me, like you have. It was not supposed to work out that way in his deluded mind.....he thought (operative word there is thought) that he would get a lot of folks here to agree with him and take him seriously. Sadly backfired, didn't it!!

Maurice_Fleckman

, vchapes

Long story made shorter

I volunteered for the Dance On The Pier after the huge Gay Pride Parade.

That black singer who self destructed was singing and her boyfriend named Brown was cutting her face up made all of us go out to the West Side highway to clear the back of the pier for security

Cut off from the porto sans I was forced to hike up my dress and take a p iss against a truck's huge tire while eight or nine great big good looking NYC Firemen stood watchin me and grinning.

The limo came out afterward and the back window rolled down and she was waving to everybody.

I gave her the finger!

What the hell was her name?

What purgatory??

chersully2000, more conspiracy theory. How often do you change the tinfoil helmet you wear while posting so people can't survey your thoughts through the monitor?

mainelyme, Whitney Houston.

OH i never change my helmet! too dangerous.

@vchapes-I personally think lesbians in a locker room are hot but not every women in the locker knows their lesbians unless their outspoken about it. Comparing a man with a sex change to lesbians is a huge difference and most people can usually pick out a man with a sex change therefor its more apparent and I think it would make women feel more uncomfortable knowing there's a former man in their locker room.

My eye balls are falling out

The other ones aren't far behind them, either.

Mainlyme, or Reannah, hard to tell with so much black on black violence in the hip-hop ndustry.

Maurice_Fleckman

Thank you.

Where ever she is today let it be known that she has my finger!

vchapes

if you want an unbiased opinion.

this is not the place to look for it. just ask Sully or Markko.

fact of the matter is, this crap won't be tolerated, nobody on here can change the fact that I'd kick any freaks rearend if I had to. we just want to let them know that they're taking their wellbeing into their own hands when they invade our space.

that's it bottom line, end of story. or as Sully would say Bye now!!! (but she's back in two minutes to post again!)

Very few here know about the phenomenon of gender dysphoria commonly referred to in the press by the 'catch-all' phrase as transgenderism. While repugnant to many, it is a condition that does exist in genetic males and females and is closely associated with homosexuality.

Mainely becasue of the moral evolution in this particular culture, the two states of being are marginalized on the basis of fear and ignorance that most often manifest as hate. as abundantly in evidence here.

Many of these individuals have struggled with their condition their whole lives, effectively being no more accepting or understanding of it then the judgemntal fools here. When you see an obviously transgendered person in public (many, you will never 'make'), you are witnessing an acknowledgement by that person of their state of being (not lightly or easily derived), a desire to peacefully be among their fellows (despite the risks of humilitation, prejudice, and violence), and a liberation that does not include the slightest hint of sexual perversion or victimization of anyone. And that's really the point in all this: there was no victim that did not make a conscious effort to become one on the basis of her distorted overly-moral character.

Studies show that the pyschological makeup of persons witht his condition (again: gender dysphoria) are never pediphiles or victimizers and as such pose no discernible threat to society that society does not taken on of its own accord needlessly. But you would not know that unless you overcame your visceral disregard of the "Golden Rule" to acquaint yourself with an understanding that comes from knowledge.

are you stalking me purgatory? and country music does not 'blow'

Only in your mind......the 3 stooges....only in your little deluded mind. You are one sick individual. Get some help.

Gee.....haven't heard from dave in a bit......

vchapes:

Hope you have a good afternoon. Hope you can get something out of it here. I agree with your thoughts about this issue though.....the article topic!!

I call children with Downs Syndrome someone with a challenge....a disability, I guess you might say, you idiot. You are really dumb.

I call someone like the individual trying to jerk people around on here ("try") an IDIOT (retard, in that sense.) As JD2008 said yesterday, it is very sad that some here come on and try and jerk people around. They think they are trying to run people off maybe......doesn't seem to work though.This very pathetic individual "tries" to put folks on the defensive. You can see it over and over in his posts. He must think people are really stupid if he thinks they can't see thru his sickness.

Barf

bigfootinheels

Oh, DEW

You're talking butch again

Careful or you'll get a headache!

Some people are just plain ignorant chersully! Oh well, i dont hate them just because they are different though! :) Have a good one

are you stalking me purgatory? and country music does not 'blow' , No, it sucks. But opinions are like........

It's the other end of us that you're affecting

Tracy? and what is this: lrn2rocknroll

chersully2000, more paraniod 'everyones out to get me' thoughs. when you go shopping, how many people 'follow' you?

I could personally careless either who's in the bathroom or locker room but I know several female friends who would be pretty freaked out having a former man in their locker room.

However, if I could get away with wearing a dress and walking into a women's locker room just to watch every once in awhile I'd probably probably try it at least once, hahaha.

yes BFIH.....your pal 4shame always says the same thing....about the

Bye now" You really have got to get more original and get another gig!!

vchapes:

If you notice earlier, you and I were commenting on the article topic (bathrooms,etc.) Very soon after, little BFIH (et al) popped right up and did not just comment on the topic at hand, but had to get personal....the obsession as you say. It happens over and over again. Yes, vchapes, you are absolutely correct! He has to butt in all the time when I am commenting with someone else (and I am sure he does it to others as well.) All the time....actually goes to other articles to find the person who he is obsessed with posting.....and then starts his nasty diatribes.......this is one very very sick individual.

Sullyputty

Did you ever notice the BDN hasn't deleted any of these numerous accounts I have??

HMMMMM, Strange..............that's right you old bitty, you still haven't caught on!!!

it seems he would do that chersully. I would say he's the paranoid one, unstable. He needs to intrude on you to feel better about himself.

PURGATORY- who is this tracy i went to college with???? i dont remember. And what is lrn2rocknroll ?

Another problem..you'll have pedophiles lurking in bathrooms waiting for innocent children to walk in. They'll use this to get into bathrooms and use sexual orientation as a free pass. Don't say it won't happen because they said this transgender issue with bathrooms would not happen. The gay-marriage law has not even passed yet and it's already having an effect on society. So... to avoid this what will we have to do to prevent this? Everyone will have to carry a card saying if they are gay, straight, or male-female, or female-male. They will have to post someone at the door to do the card checking. Someone will sue for invasion of privacy. Oh yah...someone will first sue all public establishments forcing them to build male, female, male-female, female-male bathrooms. Chaos....total chaos....Someone better invent a car with a built in toilet. But they had better not put an external pipe. Hey... we could use the methane gas to keep the car going. Our new geo-friendly car. Maybe good can come out of this after all. No external pipes please...makes for very slippery roads.

Dursully

BTW, Steveydee is on a fishing trip, he'll be back later this week, I talked to him last night!!

So you lied about the BDN??? You are sad.

"Another problem..you'll have pedophiles lurking in bathrooms waiting for innocent children to walk in." Sad argument, as that happens NOW. Y/Xgendered people have nothing to do with that. Being an alert pearent prevents this.

The BDN told me SD was kicked off ......let's see when he comes back.....it will not be exactly SteveyDee....it will be something a little different. You lie so much (pathological liar) that you accuse others of what you do....you idiot.

The person at the BDN very much told me that....I know someone there. Nope.....SteveyDee's username will be a bit changed when he reincarnates. We all know that.

Now, go crawl back into your hole.

On 5/20/09 at 11:08 AM, chersully2000 wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

markko:

Re 10:59 AM

PERFECT! Right-on!!!

You see Dursully!! You were the dumb as s that coasted over from another thread to "emphasize" markkos post to me. Now who'd the sick little troublemaker?? Oh no not you, you're such an idiot.

Dimwitted old battleaxe. If you don't want anything to do with me why don't you stay the hell off my threads then nummah??? HAH??? Oh, that's right you still haven't caught on, you just like to whine for everyone all the time.

Don't you get sick of yourself???

Your kids must be tortured.

chersully2000 , " I know someone there" OHHHHHHH BOYYYY...The paper boy dosen't count sweetie.

Again,

Tell me why all my "other" accounts haven't been blocked Dursully???

Did you ever think it's because I'm just one person on here??? You wouldn't want to admit that to yourself, because then you'd have nothing to fill your pathetic life with.

At least try to catch on!!!

Battleaxe- OMG that's funny... i've only ever heard my father say that.

vchapes:

There is absolutely nothing that individual could do to make him feel better about himself. Nothing. Probably not even counselling. He is one sicko. Let him post in different names.....what does he gain......nothing, but look Iike a very sad pathetic jerk.

bigfootinheels, Her kids likley moved far away if they were smart, or sucked on the buisness end of a firearm to embrace the peace and quite deaths icey fingers bring.

dursully

answer my question.......why hasn't the BDN deleted my supposed accounts?

Cmon smart mouth, let's hear it!!!

Don't joke about suicide. Are you really that ignorant? Glad you think someone killing themselves is funny....

bigfootinheels, she isn't gona 'catch on' thats for sure. just contine pushing her self absorbd view that she is superior to everyone and as BDN post nazi

Fleckman

They could only be so lucky. I bet they have to stop over every Sunday to take her grocery shopping. I'm sure the business end has been an option in the past though.

Dursullly

Why????

What's the matter, cat got your forked tongue??

"Glad you think someone killing themselves is funny" When the right person does it I think its a service they should have provided us with much sooner, and yes, I laugh. For instance, Bernie Made-off ought to have chosen that option. Hitler should have done it sooner.

BFIH, She's trying to sort out all the lies to form the apropriate reply. Thats what happens with people who are lifes victim.

I tried on my wifes heels once just to see if I could walk in 'em. I couldn't and I fail to see why anyone would want to dress like a women, including women.

Deschain, careful, you may get a lable you don't want.

This is beyond sane, any politican who allows men in the ladies room and ladies in the mens room under the false pretense of being of the sex gender on the door should be sued for considering it. I can't even go when someone of the same sex is in the bathroom it's a private thing.

But allowing this will help hate, murder and poverty along a lot quicker. Lets see how long a place will stay open when only 3 gays a day show up to buy or dine.

Hey Fleckman

If you wan't to see the list go to todays comments and scroll back a few pages.

There's a thread called "Who's posting as who today" or something like that.

Anne's list is compiled for the world to see right there!!

BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAABWAHAHAHAHAAHAAH

I can't even believe it. What a loonie!!!

Meljo... You can put crap on pancakes but that doesn't make it maple syrup. If claiming that you are a woman instantly can turn a male into a female then I am the richest man in the world..........nope nothing....wait I think I feel something....nope just gas. I guess it doesn't really work that way. If you have a penis, then you are male. In fact, if you were born with a penis but decided to have it lopped off; you are still male.(Although an extremely disturbed male)

I saw that BFIH, pretty sad statement.

Elizabethann:

Take a look at g2bn2n's post from 11:47 and mine from 12:12. While I don't imagine these posts will offer you much comfort, I do think they may give you some insight into the essential nature of this issue abstracting from all the hysteria that this one event has brought to the fore.

I'm hoping a reasoned review of your position will include questioning just what is your basis for holding these beliefs about transgendered people because, I hope to assure you, they are mis-informed.

Good luck and god Bless.

Lila

Cher, ha ha STD was kicked off!

Well Sasquatch, I'm sure if enough people complain you will get kicked off. How 'bout it folks?

Maurice_Fleckman, what made you choose that username?

If you want to see a group of diverse people living in harmony along side each other and GETTING ALONG, Visit Key West. Society as a whole could learn a lot from this example of how to coexist.

What made you choose yours, Anne?

anne_of_mdi

STD is running rampart as you know who!

His nasty alter ego David is, also.

As are CaptainAndy etc: etc: et als!

I am in absolutely NO way condoning homesexuality or allowing a transgendered male to female to use the ladies room until after their surgery is done, but in an earlier comment that was posted, it was stated that the ladies restroom has stalls that can be closed and locked. With that being said, how in the sam hell did this woman know that this person was a male, when he was behind a locked stall door? Just asking........

Don't forget 4Himt2day.

He was getting away from copy and paste to start to talk on his own but, it made him sound too much like you know who yet, he couldn't talk that dirty with that user nameestablished so, he's dropped along the wayside.

Of course, you know who is busy with many other names now, so he can't get back to all of them as there are only so many hours in a day.

Key West?! Where they are just as homophobic... and men wear miniskirts and bikini tops?

Hey Gumshoe

Another thing. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than obsess over the BDN blog???

What a sad _____ you really are. Poor little _____!!!!!

CAPEESH????

bigfootinheels

DEW

Strange;

I told the Bangor Daily News that they may be impressed with what you call your money but, I'm not.

I said, here in New York City money begins counting at a Billion Dollars, and you're not even in the low rent district..

On 5/20/09 at 12:23 PM, Elizabethann wrote: some crap.

Elizabethann, so you're saying that pedophiles will dress up as women to get into women's rooms to go to get little girls there (where apparently the little girls are all lined up, waiting for predators).

First, you guys who were so against gay marriage said that gays were responsible for most pedophiles, or that most pedophiles were gay, or something equally stupid. Why would pedophiles (who by your definition would be gay) want to stalk members of the opposite sex?? I THOUGHT THEY WERE GAY??

Second, if your theory about pedophiles being gay is true (let's say it is), WHY AREN'T THEY SPENDING THEIR TIME IN THE BOYS ROOM??

It's like they dropped the stupid bomb on Maine.

wow markko. thats intense lol

vchapes, You have homophobes everywhere. My example is that city has much, much less of it than say, Bangor. I visit there very often and see gay people, crossdressers,ect. ect. coexisting with bikers, tourists, all other types of people without the stigma. its a nice place, visit sometime.

whattayaknow, I suspect that a lot of what you feel is gas.

I have visited and i know people that live there 24/7. It is a wonderful place, and great that everyone gets along despite their differenced. People up here are too stubborn and ignorant to do that.

vchapes, You got that right.I rent a place there for a month each year. I'd move there but living on the key is so pricey. real estate further up is a little more reasonable. If you get off the beaten path of the touristy Duval st. and Whitehead st area there are some real treasures to discover.

What a jerk. First of all WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS! And I have the right not to have to explaine to my children why a man dressed like a woman is in the womens bathroom. That is my right. And as long as he is a man, with all the male parts, he needs to keep himself in the male bathroom. He has the right to do what he want with himself, not everyone around him.

Think about it this way, while he was growing up he was dealing with the difficulties of being the wrong sex. All the emotions that go along with it. Why does he have the right to put his communities children into the same emotional turmoil?

I believe that people can do what they want, but I also believe that it should be done in the privacy of their own home. I don't think two men or women should be aloud to marry, nor adopt children. The one that is going to suffer is the child. And that is not fair. Kids are cruel and we don't need to give them the ammo to be cruel.

I don't are if he was in a stall that was closed and locked. HE has absolutely NO business being in the ladies room. His choices should not effect me. HE DOES NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.

I loved it there. It was the most relaxing trip ive ever been on... minus the animal shelter(?) across the way where animals were always screaming and there was constant black smoke billowing out of the stacks. We stayed just as you cross the bridge on the right. i cant remember the name.

AKAlala you wrote " The one that is going to suffer is the child" How? I never suffered...

On 5/20/09 at 12:37 PM, bigfootinheels wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

dursully

answer my question.......why hasn't the BDN deleted my supposed accounts?

Cmon smart mouth, let's hear it!!! "

DEW You suppose it's because they are busy working to put out a newspaper?

We like to get a place either on Sunset Key or The South St. area near the 'little bahama' neighborhood. Some amazing authentic bahamian food in little hole in the wall places you would never think of having such good food. very unassuming places always seem to have the best eats.

"used a locked stall in the ladies room while “dressed clearly” as a woman,"

What does that mean?

Women are all dressed like men today.

If this person had worn a dress then he clearly would have been labeled a drag queen.

Last time i was there everything was flooded and homeless people were bathing in the golf course puddles.

Mainelyme- i'm DYING to go to a REAL drag show.

vchapes

Keep your money in your pants

They can be a drag!

lol

vchapes

I'm trying to save my money for Botox Injections.

I'm getting those little Irish things just behind my chin on both sides

My friend in Bangor says they are called jowles!

Jowles! hahaha. Alrighty...Yeah and im saving up for a spare tire...

vchapes

Don't waste your money on a spare tire

I'll send you mine.

A woman friend in this building is married to a good looking Irishman my age, and he dresses, looks and acts like a young jock just like I do.

She told me that men get the pounds on the front while women add them onto the rear.

Next time I dress up to go out I'll have to wear an umpire style dress to hide the fact that I'm a man.

That works the other way too, as northern European men just don't have buns!

On 5/20/09 at 1:38 PM, vchapes wrote:

"Last time i was there everything was flooded and homeless people were bathing in the golf course puddles. "

Just for a moment I thought you were writing about the Denny's restroom.

Honest to God I did.

"Denny’s is a family restaurant chain,” he said. “I am going to do what’s in the best interest of my customers.”..LMFAO @ family! Google 'Dennys discrimination suit' and there are 15,700 hits. Family my a$$.

i dont know where mine goes... i really dont. i know its there but....

Hahaha yes markko! Haven't you seen the new green they have in the waiting area? lol

I doubt I would notice if someone dressed as a woman, in a locked stall, was actually a man. Nor would I care unless he/she was waving it around or being obnoxious in some other way. If I saw a man dressed as a woman I would first consider it a manly looking, perhaps homely woman. I would not automatically think it was a transgendered person. Again, if the stall is locked, who cares? I would never send my child of either sex, into a rest room alone.

AKAlala:

You short change your own children by assuming that they can't overcome your biases regarding gender roles. Your stated reasons unwittingly (on your part) reveal the true nature of your complaint: "I have the right not to explain...." It would therefore seem that it is all about YOU and not your children who are likely more resilient in their ability to assimilate non-threatening differences among people.

I suppose that you are more comfortable with explaining gratuitous acts of violence on TV and in real life, death, divorce, and other changes that characterize the human conditon and experience but you arbitrarially stop at sexuality and gender? What do you honestly think you are protecting them from? I can only assume that it is perversion of some sort that you implicitly and erroneously associated with this phenomenon.

Unfortunately, people like you, hold themselves above those who society has yet to embrace until it comes home to them in the guise of a gay son or daughter (which I do not wish for you)....but that's common, making you someone that is 'ordinary'...apparently "WITH RIGHTS"...

, kmainer

On the other hand;

Don't send your child to a Catholic School, either.

You bet your a*s that if "something" like "that" came into a bathroom while I was in there... yeh... Id have a bad spell! Thats just wrong.. stupid sickos need a bullet!!!

WAIT! I just thought of something. What about Halloween? What if someone is all dressed up and you have no idea if they are male or female... they could use whichever they like and no one would have a clue.

NOONE1- you need the bullet dear.

noone1

Oh, Danforth it's gays like you that prove to be your own worse enemy

Who cares. Go pee and mind your own buisness.

Denny's is in the right here after all they are trying to protect themselves....remember last year or year before the little boy assaulted in the mens room! in Ellsworth!.....why the parents let him go in alone is another story but still come on if you have testicles your a male! use the male bathroom....you give gays and transgenders a bad name!

vchapes...um so you are saying that transgendered people can freely use the toilet on Halloween only? ha ha :) I don't think I should be laughing but I am.

ummmm im not sure i think i mean i could go into every male restroom and pop a squat on halloween and vice versa, no one would know. Some men sit when they pee too.

Purgatory.... welcome back... now who the F is tracy?

Dont know her. I wasn't married when i was in school so... huh.

vchapes

do you have black hair?? i think I know you too.

Pierres School of Beauty??

My old, old lady went there.

My hair has been every color. lol. Yes thats the place bigfoot.

How about three restrooms in public buildings. Men, Women and Weirdo's. By the sound of most of the comments on here a lot of you would use the last one.

short, cute, 120lbs???

hahaha i wish. short cute not 120lbs

yep, I think I know you.

Anyway, let's get back to business.

I see you posted above that you heard your old man use the term "battleaxe"

I thought you had lesbian parents?? You weren't adopted by them??

no my grandmother was the lesbian, my mother had me at 17. so my grandmother raised me, my mother worked.

I never would have made it through this long, boring day of work, with nothing to do, if it wasn't for all of you!! Thank you for helping me pass the time!!

"short, cute, 120lbs???" sasquachinstiltttos description?...lol

This is absolutely ridiculous. If a woman dresses in a tee shirt, jeans and sneakers should she be able to use the Mens room ? Any man ,who is still anotomically a man , shouldn't be wearing dresses anyway and if he is wearing women's clothes he still should use the men's room.

I don't really know you, I just saw your picture on that topix forum a while back.

sasquachinstiltttos?? huh. even still, picking me out of about 2-300 other girls is pretty hard.

Youre welcome berquis! ahaha

LilaCapri:

re 2:19 PM

Bravo! Wow, you sound like a great person.....and if you have children, they have a good role model it seems . You are teaching them the right things. I am sure they will do really well in life and treat people with respect.

Mainelyme:

re 1:11 PM.....What a riot!!!

Anne: re 1:00 PM

Yes, I am well aware of that. Had a nice long chat with a couple of BDN people. Very informative!! And some more changes may be coming before long!

fleckman

what gives?? you're not a hater are you???

the three stooges don't need any help!!

Haha i just noticed the toilet ad....

BFIH...nah..lol. Struck me as funny is all. I'll stop listening to the sick voices in my head now ( cue chersully2000 post)

fleckman don't you sweat you balls off in atlanta during th summer???

how do you stand it?

vchapes

my ex old lady went to Pierres about 10 years ago, I used to be forced to go in there and let all the students butcher me for free. When they started asking if I wanted a wax, I got scared and ran.

Two words, central air. Heat dosen't bother me at all. I love it when its 90 actually. Plus there are several large lakes within an hour that are great to put the boat on.

Imagine, Bigfoot getting a brazilian.

Chrissakes I'd freeze to death!! Not to mention itch all over!!

So if I choose to wear a kilt which is the traditional dress of Scotland or Ireland, would I use the mens room or the womens room?

I'd have to buy a few cases of "Anti Monkey Butt Powder"

And that stuff ain't cheap!!

bigfootinheels, I dont even want to find out what it feels like..lol

Hey JD

Use whatever you want. Nobody cares. Get over it.

Just be sure to not let the toiletpaper stick to your rearend after you sit down to pee.

LOL

I'll admit I have some of that, lol. I was born and raised in the Bangor area, but you would be amazed how quick your blood thins out. I'm freezing if it's below 70. I bring winter clothes when I go up to the folk fest.

fleckman

why did you move out? how old are you?

Why? Cold winters,bad roads,high taxes, not many services,everyone in Augusta,Did I mention cold winters? More opprotunity in the job market, And I went to school in the ATL area. I like the city life here, I can be watching the red sox dismantle the braves in the afternoon and be in the moutians of western NC that evening or in Savannah eating oysters.And i'm 40ish...

yeah

sounds not so bad. I'm not much for the heat.

I was in savannah a couple years ago, we've got a couple of machining contractors that run out of there. Pretty decent little town, rich in history.

anyway, another sixer is waiting.

later.

l8tr

vchapes:

re 12:16 PM

You've got that right!!!

If I were the manager of Denny's I would put a disclaimer on the door..."If you have a penis, you may use the men's room. If you have a vagina, you may enter the ladies room.....simple as that. Children do not need to wonder why that kind lady has a purse and a penis. Kids do walk in on other people and not every stall has a working lock. I suppose this he-woman sits to pee, too, right? What has this world come to?! No short, no shoes, no service. No penis, no usage of mens room. There's a sign to hang on the door!

I don't think SD got kicked off the BDN site. He was mild compared to mainleyme , chersully, and anne.

re 5:27 pm, oh yes "Cole," he was much "milder" even than you! Just keep on shoveling your alarmist propaganda. Lord knows Rush needs the help!

wow.i waited to coment on this one till later just to read the replys.again.WHAT...so if school kids go to micky ds and they have to use the bathroom .they may run into either gender using the facilaties,and this is ok ???? not in my world ,just sick.peace

What really suprises me is that I haven't seen anyone mention the "diversity training" statement in the article. In my opinion we are not far from employers being required to teach its employee's that this is normal behavior and if you don't agree with the gay-transgender lifestyle you will be in danger of losing your job or not being hired based on that alone. This isn't going to be pretty.

If a man has a child, then he should take that child, male or female, into the mens room and the same applies to a woman and her child. The adult should be in the restroom that applies to them regardless of whether the child is used to going into the other bathroom.

Anne , perhaps you have not heard....today Rush passed the baton of spokesperson for the Republican Party to Colin Powell . Sad day in America. SD where are you ? is there any truth to the nasty rumors?

While I am a firm believer of a born man using the mens room and a born woman using the women's room, I wonder how the heck the manager knew this "clearly dressed as woman" individual was really a man?

Lord, please help this country! We are in trouble here. Please forgive us Lord for disobeying your Word.

Three Cheers for the 3 Enlightened Commission Members who understand what it means for a Transsexual to have to live in a Cisgender World. Genitalia iks NOT an immutable characteristic; "Gender Identity" is the immutable characteristic which determines one's gender. A person's gender identity is fixed by age 2 or 3, or even "in utero." It's a shame that those who are bigots (and just plain ignorant) cannot acknowledge the truth. Isn't it obvious that no one "chooses" to be left-handed, blue-eyed, gay, or transgender! Open your mind to truth and justice; transgenders just want to live their lives in peace as cisgenders are allowed to do. We only ask to be accorded the same dignity and respect cisgender people take fro granted.

Ok stooges, I'm baaaaack.

BFIH - Some say you need a good waxing

Stevey will be back!!!

I need to go over to that thread of Anna's and see who she has me posting as. Looks like I missed a bunch while I was trying to get the wording correct for the special rights movement by the gay crowd. That will be stopped in its tracks.

adams apple dead give away .peace

re 6:51 pm, most of the problem is that for the most part the mens' rooms are totally disgusting and filthy. If they weren't then no one would have a problem using them. Why is that, guys?

This is a case that needs to be resolved not by a 5-member panel, but by the national congress. There needs to be a legal definition of what makes a person a specific gender. Otherwise, cases like this will keep popping up. Everyone mentioned in this article was 100% right.

The Denny's owner was right to act in the best interests of the customers. Because you need to draw the line somewhere. If this person has the right to choose whichever restroom (s)he wants, where is that line drawn? When do we see lawsuits when someone walks into a restaurant, screaming and yelling obnoxiously in protest of whatever the hot topic of the month is? Don't they have the freedom of speech and expression? It's a difficult subject that reaches far beyond "what restroom does a transvestite use"

Also, the complainant was right, because in today's society you can always get the right people to see things your way, and raise a civil rights issue. I'm sure no malice was intended, and so the decision has been made (at least initially) and we move on to the next case.

The MCLU was of course in the right, because they were merely doing their jobs. Their legal team one-upped Denny's. That's what most of these hearings are, and some criminal trials - just a real-life version of the Phoenix Wright games. Or, it at least seems like one giant game of 1-upsmanship.

Betsy Smith I'm sorry to say was either being extremely stupid, closed-minded or both, if she missed the obvious concern of (whatever the official, PC term is) people using a particular restroom. In the women's restroom, with an anatomic male claiming to be female, you run the risk of some seriously perverted people taking advantage of this ruling. But in the men's restroom, the person in question is in danger because of possible emotional, verbal, physical assault.

But ultimately, again this needs to be decided by congress. I have absolutely no problem one way or the other. It's the same feeling I have about gays - let them do their thing as long as they leave me alone. Same way I feel about anybody really. But for the sake of business, and people like Mr(s.) Freeman, there needs to be a clearly drawn line in the sand.

Sean Stackhouse

I feel like Maine is becoming the new San Francisco. The more warped you are the better your chances are of getting what you want. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. The Civil Liberties Union is contaminating our whole society with their perverted cries for justice. I'd like to know where the justice is for the rest of us.

WHAT A BUNCH OF FREAKIN' WEIRDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4Him2Day...already happened in 2005

THE MAINE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT

GUARANTEES…Equal Employment Rights

EQUAL EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS

1. The RIGHT to freedom from discrimination in employment.

2. The opportunity for an individual to secure employment without discrimination… is declared to be a CIVIL RIGHT.

The Maine Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination because of race, color, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, genetic pre-disposition, religion, ancestry or national origin.

The Maine Human Rights Act also prohibits discrimination because of filing a claim or asserting a right under the Worker’s Comp Act or retaliation under the Whistleblower’s Act.

UNLAWFUL EMPLOYMENT DISCRIMINATION

1. For any employer to fail or refuse to hire an applicant

2. For any employer to discharge an employee

3. For any employer to discriminate against an employee with respect to recruitment, tenure, promotion, transfer, or compensation

4. For any employment agency to fail or refuse to classify properly or refer for employment an applicant

5. For any labor organization to exclude from apprenticeship or membership an applicant

6. For any employer, employment agency, or labor organization prior to employment or admission to membership of an individual to ask questions, keep as record, use application form, issue any notice, employ a quota system

7. For any employer, employment agency, or labor organization to retaliate against a person who has opposed a violation of the Maine Human Rights Act

Because of race, color, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, genetic predisposition, religion, ancestry or national origin or because of asserting a claim under the Worker’s Comp Act or Whistleblower’s Act.

JD2008:

Got to give you credit. You show respect.

Anne:

It takes one to know one , you know what I mean. (you know..... what he, who says she is a she, said above.) I have no idea how that person got kicked off, but apparently the BDN deemed it necessary. Gee, wonder why?!!! Of course he isn't really gone, as we know.

I know they are looking into some changes on this site.

As for the multiple users, of course anyone knows that goes on, unless they went to credit cards. Multiple users would be meaningless if the people who did it were sane ,etc. But then, why would anyone need to use multiples here if they were on the up and up? Pretty easy to figure out. Anyway, it isn't the multiples per se that are the issue.

So, let's see...if BRUCE were to get on all fours and bark like a dog, is a vet required to treat HIS medical needs? Would failure to do so be considered a violation of HIS civil rights because HE is trans-specied (even though HE hasn't had the surgery yet)?

Oh, you say...that's crazy...there's no such thing. Just wait.

And if HE's so concerned about possible emotional, verbal and physical assault...maybe HE shouldn't play dress ups in public.

TSgirl--you're the one who is ignorant. You CHOOSE to think the way you do. Do you have the same hormone level as a real woman? Of course not. If you did, you would have a vagina and ovaries. You need psychological help, not surgery. Also, if you so-called transgender people truly did 'want to live your life in peace', the majority of us wouldn't know you existed, because none of you would go out in public playing dress-up.

JD2008, ummm great copy and post, still didn't address what I stated. I think your personal cheerleader has been stroking your ego too much.

LOL! I know this guy......Funny this article was not in the Lewiston Sun Journal.....Her stomping grounds....The local comments would not be about what this person was wearing so much as her psycopathic lifestyle. Very scary person indeed!!!

All this nonsense, and thats what it is is nonsense has its roots in the radical feminist movement from long ago. Remove all forms of sexuality. Pastor John Mccarthy says it well:

Feminism with all its assorted features is an old, old heresy meant to destroy God's design on every front. It is an ancient form of paganism. In fact, the very same one that Paul faced in the first century A.D. When Paul's talking about in 2 Corinthians 10 the ideologies of his time, they wouldn't be any different than what we face even in this. In fact, the best way to understand it is that it is a repackaging of what we know, if we study church history and the history of religion, ethnology, the history of peoples, this is what could be called ancient Gnosticism. Gnosticism is from the Greek word gnosis, to know.

In ancient times there were always people who said they had the higher knowledge, they were in the know. They had ascended beyond the mundane, the frivolous, trivial, low-level thinking of most people, particularly Christians. In fact, today you even have books being written such as The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind which attempts to debunk...it's written by a man who claims to be an evangelical Christian and he is upset about the mindless stupidity of those who hold to traditional fundamentalism. We're getting assaulted always by those who have the higher knowledge, the secret knowledge, the elevated knowledge.

But Gnosticism was more than just a sort of generic idea that you could have superior knowledge to Christianity, to make Christianity look base and simplistic and foolish. Gnosticism became a somewhat technical term, a broad term...best way to understand it, is a broad term to describe false anti-God religion...false anti-God religion.

To TSgirl : Please could you tell me where you got the information you posted at 10:11 pm. You see, I still believe trans gender is a choice. I also believe that a male should be treated as a male and a women should be treated as a women no matter what traits they practice. PROVE what you posted.

4Him, you are up bright and early, supposed to hit 75 degrees here today. Great day to rehab my deck. Hope you have more planned than cut and paste. Will have to get back to you on the above pastor. People can google him if they wish. Shame on you for placing the blame of the decline of the "moral society" on females again. But we know you place much blame on Eve, as you've said before. Damn women, they need to be put back in their place, bare-foot and pregnant, to be seen and not heard, especially in the church. You amuse me.

re 6:52 AM, ha ha that's funny 4Blasphemy2Day sneers at JD for copying and pasting when here he is copying and pasting himself. Typical.

Hey 4ShameYes2Day2Day&2Morrow, why does Christianity trivialize the fact that Mary Magdalene was the first person to see and speak with the risen Christ? Why did Jesus choose to appear first to the one who he loved most?

WOW Hot topic.I have two girls in thier 20's.Back in the 80's when they were little I would walk them to the womens room and stand outside the door and wait for them (Im a man).IF a man dressed as a woman would have walked up and tried to walk in,TRUST me he would not have made it.If your a man USE THE MENS ROOM.

free2bee, you drive the pastors point home better than I could have: But Gnosticism was more than just a sort of generic idea that you could have superior knowledge to Christianity, to make Christianity look base and simplistic and foolish. Twist and distort is what you do best to further your homosexual agenda. But then again, why not. Its all based on lies anyway.

Where's the civil liberty rights of women in this case? You are always going to have one party being discriminated against and it shouldn't be the majority.

To Floridan who posted 1:58 this morning. A BIG AMEN to that!!!!!! I have thought the same way about homosexuals as well. It is true, the only reason we know they are different than us is because of being so flamboyant in public. You don't see straight couples all over each other or marching in parades saying "Look at us we are straight". Wow I could just see that now. The homosexuals would have a field day with that. In closing, I just do not see what is so difficult about using the correct bathroom in public and stop all the nonsense. I would think you would want to make it easier on yourselves, not harder, by having all this attention brought to yourselves. I mean, think about it, all of this turmoil over where to go to the bathroom!! For the love of God just do the right thing, use the correct bathroom, then, if you choose to change your plumbing, then use the ladies room, no one will be the wiser and most importantly NO ONE will care.

4him, you are doing a far better job of making christianity look base and foolish and simplistic than any supposed movement could ever do.

1 Cor 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Cor 1:19 For it is written,

"I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,

AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."

1 Cor 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Cor 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

1 Cor 1:22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;

1 Cor 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

1 Cor 1:24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

1 Cor 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Cor 1:26 For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;

1 Cor 1:27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,

1 Cor 1:28 and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,

1 Cor 1:29 so that no man may boast before God.

1 Cor 1:30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

1 Cor 1:31 so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."

This is soooo wrong...what is this world coming to. Women put on a flannel shirt, and go use the mens urinals.LOL

take the signs off the damn doors and replace them with "enter at your own risk" and the human rights commission needs to be disbanded they wouldn't know discrimination if it smacked them in the face.

A sad commentary on today's world! It use to be that our "cause" in life was to minister to the spritual and physical needs of others. Now it seems as though our over-fed, over sexually stimulated society has nothing to better whine about than where they are going to be allowed to pee!

In response to Politicallyincorrect, a big "AMEN!"

4Him2day

DEW

Why aren't you out collecting signatures for your church's hate petition?

It's a beautiful day to skewer your trusting neighbors in actuallity instead of just here on the computer.

I mean, just what kind of a Christian are you, DEW?

Hey 4Him---Jesus was a Gnostic...so was Paul.

Strange things in this article with regards to how this case came about. Transgendered person who is for all intents and purposes a woman---all you religious pervs should stop demanding people drop their underwear to satisfy your own perverse idiosyncracies---goes into the women's bathroom to pee. Women's room has more than one locked stall that has four sides---you can't SEE INSIDE it unless you climb over the top---and what self-respecting person would climb over the top of a stall to see the person inside?!?!? So, another woman is in the women's bathroom and freaks out because another person who appears to be a woman is in the locked, four-sided stall using the stall for it's intended purpose---peeing.?!?!? How did the complaining woman KNOW the person in the next stall was still equipped with a penis? Did she climb over the top of the stall to check it out? Well, further on in the article, it states that the transgendered person is a "regular customer" of the establishment. The article doesn't mention it, BUT, it would seem that the complaining woman most likely KNEW the transgendered person. It ALSO seems that perhaps this complaining woman either FOLLOWED the transgendered person into the bathroom OR arranged somehow to be in the bathroom when the transgendered person was in there IN ORDER TO be in a position to be "harmed" emotionally. My dears, after working in some form or another for the past 26 years in the legal field, I have come to the conclusion that this incident is a total SET-UP. I smell a lawsuit against the establishment filed by the complaining woman for intentional infliction of emotional distress.

I always thank God I'm equipped to stand up rather than have to sit down on one of those public seats.

frankforter,you got it! Bruce?Brianna has a habit to feed.

Given the amount of ignorance and hysteria in evidence here, I offer another view to increment understanding courtesy of re-posting that I made yesterday (w/ necessary spelling, content, and grammartical corrections):

"Very few here know about the phenomenon of gender dysphoria commonly referred to in the press by the 'catch-all' phrase as "transgenderism". While repugnant to many, it is a condition that does exist in genetic males and females and is closely associated with homosexuality, although that is not exclusively always the case.

Mainly because of the moral evolution in this particular culture, the two states of being are marginalized on the basis of fear and ignorance that most often manifest as hate (as abundantly in evidence here).

Many of these individuals have struggled with their condition their whole lives, effectively being no more accepting or understanding of it then the judgmental fools here. When you see an obviously transgendered person in public (many, however, you will never 'make'), you are witnessing an acknowledgement by that person of their state of being (not lightly or easily derived), a desire to peaceably be among their fellows (despite the risks of humiliation, prejudice, and violence), and a liberation that does not include the slightest hint of sexual perversion and/or victimization of anyone.

And that's really the point in all this: there was no victim that did not make a conscious effort to become one on the basis of their (her, actually) distorted overly-moral character, augmented by asymmetrical information that no one else had or even cared to have.

Studies show that the psychological makeup of persons with this condition (again: gender dysphoria) are seldom if ever, pedophiles or victimizers and as such pose no discernible threat to society that society does not take on needlessly of its own accord.

But many here would not know that unless they overcame their reactionary visceral disregard of the "Golden Rule" to acquaint themselves with an understanding that comes from knowledge."

Lila Capri

How many women on here have used the mens room at some point in time because the line for the ladies room was too long? It happens, and that never makes the paper. What about transgendered women who live as men? I have not seen one mention of not wanting women in the mens room. Why the double standard??

MainerInTN

Could it be that men fantasize about having sex with Lesbians but, women only want productive men?

420Revarie, I think you did not read my post thoroughly. I said the woman who complained about the transgendered person would perhaps file a lawsuit against the establishment. The transgendered person brought a charge to the Commission (not a civil court), therefore said transgendered person cannot file suit against the establishment.

JBaird123

My OpInion is that you are just another new user name for DEW

BFD

Does anybody really think that someone who is trying to become a woman is going to be in the bathroom checking out women?

Unfortunately, JBaird123, your 12:10 PM post is typical of ignorance that is a function of very marginal familiarity with the topic of "gender dyshoria". Unless you are a doctor, social research scientist, politician, and/or someone 'afflicted' with the 'condition' yourself, there is really no need but you should be made aware that your "opinion" diminishes in the face of empirical research that generates understanding and strives for asymptotic truth.

As such, your attempt to 'sound reasonable' fails for lack of relevant information, faulty logic, the liberal use of counterfactuals, and an apparently ingrained chauvanism. Unwittingly (or maybe not), despite your 'accommodating facade', you are decrementing the dialogue and fanning the volitale mix of stupidity and sanctimony............all predicated on the initial curious 'argument' that that you are a "penis"....have I got that right?

Lila Capri

Go Maine!

Okay transgender is a term and people going through an identiy crisis have rights too, so why not nonspecific gender restrooms? There are wheel chair accessible and mother friendly restrooms.

Please understand: until you've completed the surgery, I don't want you in the ladies room with my young daughter. Okay? I don't care what you call yourself, and you don't care what I call myself. It's just that simple.

And if it doesn't matter, then we should have unisex bathrooms. Are you for that?

Joshua: no, you're absolutely right. But under this rule, anyone can go into a woman's bathroom, regardless of intent.

First of all calling me ignorant is like calling a cat, a dog it just dosen't fit. Im glad that you all had your turn in commenting on my post. I am 100 percent an advocate for human rights. But this is just obserd, this tranny is a man and will be a man until he has a sex change operation. While deep down inside he may feel like a woman sadly he is not. You people do nothing but complicate things with your convoluted ideaology. There are rules designed to protect people. This penis toting wanna be woman is not an exception. Atleast not until he has become a woman via surgical procedure. You people are the reason Child Molesters are repeat offenders and baby killers get off with manslaughter. YOU CAN NOT LEGISLATE MORALITY! THIS TRANSGENDER MAN ACTED IN A MORALLY IRESPONIBLE MANOR BOTTOM LINE! I ADVOCATE FOR GAY RIGHTS I BELIEVE IN PRO CHOICE I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE TREATED WITH FAIRNESS AND EQUALITY! BUT I DONT BELIEVE A MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO ENTER A WOMANS BATHROOM BECAUSE HE IS WEARING A DRESS AND MAKE UP!

Why is it OK for a woman to use the men's bathroom but it is not OK the other way around? I know I have waited more then once at __________ (fill in the blank) while the husband stands "guard" outside the bathroom. Make "unisex" bathrooms like I have at work. One bathroom is labeled "Staff Only" and the other "Visitors"...and they both have urinals!

Try reading my post this time instead of focusing on how politically incorrect it is!!!!!!! Meat heads!

Joshua , JD2008 and LilaCapri:

Good intelligent reasoning.

Maybe having a unisex one, in addition to men's and women's restrooms, might address this. Then, people should not be so outraged as some sound here and everyone's privacy would be protected.

1:58 PM, fmrmti : Perhaps it is your turn to "understand".

This poses no risk to your "young daughter" if you are doing 'your job' to protect her in a world where true victimizing "intent" and perversion can circumvent any legislation, pro or con your position. Implicit in your post is the latent belief that transgenderism and perversion are closely associated: empirical research does not bear that out making your 'emphatic concern' baseless and empty.

You don't like the 'idea' of transgenders in the toilet with your daughter but can you say that it has not already happened? How would you know? How did this woman who complained know?

I suggest that it was her intrusive behavior that caused awareness and controvesy, not the actions of the transgendered woman trying to relieve herself. If the "T" had walked into the 'Men's Room', that would have been a provocation for speculation, explanations, and possibly, confrontational action, including the violence that is in evidence here from these phobic macho nuts who boast what they would 'do' if they 'knew'. So in my mind if they "knew" becomes a salient part of the debate that supports this decision since I tend toward speculating that someone dressed in womans clothes walking into the "men's room" would be more likely to promote awareness among cretins than a person dressed as a woman walking into the "woman's room".

The only adequate response I can logically use to support your view is that the transgendered woman should not have been out in public since the toilet that most closely aligns with her psyche is not available to her, courtesy of irrational fears that have no means to be elicited by the act of urination alone and the one that aligns with her biology that is also not available, basis the readily apparent social impropriety that just walking through the door of the rest room would provoke. That's called a "no win" situation and by definiton, is discriminatory. You can't make the same case for your "daughter's" welfare unless you resort to lunacy and/or hate.

Lila Capri

In my opinion, this is a case about human rights. I agree fmrmti, that allowing anyone claiming or wishing to be of a different gender wanting to enter into the restroom of their choice, in fact, is hazardous to say the least. Denny's really could consider adding an extra (unisex) restroom ! This way customers have a choice.

Hey Lila Im glad you figured out how to use a dictionary. However your remedial attempt at regurjitating your last psych class is no more effective than your attempt at trying to immasculate me for the words I chose to use. There is no faulty logic or counterfactuals here it is all pretty cut and dry. A man went into the ladies room. Furthermore I was not trying to sound reasonable because there is no reasonable logic behind this claim and as far as empirical research is concerned. PLEASE!!!!!!!!! But thank you LILA for your well artiqulated response and your wonderful grasp of the english language. I hope a man in a dress finds you in a bathroom all alone someday and shows you why this is a safety issue.

LILa I made no connection between transgenderism and perversion I simply stated it opens a window for that line to be crossed. I have no problem with transgenderism. "PHOBIC MACHO NUT" Your really reaching now.

oh perley must have called bdn my comment got removed about him having a sex change. You wanna a little cheese with that wine