Wow! Governor Baldacci did that? Why am I not surprised? He could have taxed the hell out of this organization.

Can u believe tha Mainesurvivor, Gov Baldy did that. Shame on him

Christian Action Network: a peculiar name for a hate group don't you think?

Islam should NOT be given preferential treatment in PUBLIC schools. If Christians are allowed NOTHING on public property then Islamics should be allowed NOTHING as well. And, Larry, the hate group in this case is the STATE. So pay up. If I were on a jury I'd award them about 500 thousand in real damages and 500 million in punitive damages, for discrimination.

Here we go, the article made clear the fact that Maine schools DO NOT have these accommodations. They used the Governor's name without permission and solicited funds without a permit.

If a suit had been brought by an Islam group who were denied this same license and called the Maine Charitable Solicitation Act unconstitutional it would be a different story.

Jack B.

Charitable solicitation act?????? Can't use the Governors name without consent???? I guess that would make it illegal for me to say Obama and his administration SUCKS and so does Maine's... The state, in which I reside, which shall remain a double top secret, still has freedom of speech, (we can use our governor,'s name as a swear word if we choose). We even have guns in the house!!!

More destruction of the US Constitution. Disgusting!

It does not sound, from this article, as though Islamic students are being given any preferential treatment. If they are given a room for prayer (and the religion require a ritual prayer be done five times daily) that is fine. It's extending them their civil liberties. And the Christian Action Network is all for voluntary prayer in schools! Are they only for voluntary Christian prayer? Besides which there are no schools in Maine where this is happening--so why petition the governor? He's got nothing to do with public education in Minnesota.

"The Christian Action Network is asking the court to find the Maine Charitable Solicitation Act, which regulates how charities may ask for contributions and sets out reporting requirements, unconstitutional. It also is seeking an injunction to keep the state from enforcing the law and is asking for legal fees.'

It's unconstitutional to regulate HOW charities may ask for contributions and HOW they report them? Come on people, this is taxpayers money they were asking for and taxpayers money that is paying for the suit.

leumas, if it was an Islam group filing this would you be saying the same thing? Bet you would be screaming the opposite.

Jack B.

It's time to tax all the churches which today are not real churches but political conduits to refresh the coffers and fill the pews. It's so sad.

Sorry -taxpayers permission they were asking for and taxpayers money that is paying for the suit

Jack B.

They achieve their goal of getting out their anti-Muslim message by filing this suit. That is all. What is charitable about fomenting hate? Pretty soon you'll be seeing the same thing done against Unitarian Universalists. (OMG! But they're white people!) I've seen it done here many times on these comment boards.

This stinks of racism (in the name of God, of course).

Christion Action Networkl is hardly Christian. They should be ignored as the bankrupts that they are.

This is exactly the kind of deception these 'christian' organizations use. There has been NO accomodations in Maine, but the group misleads you to believe there are, then they cry foul and whine and pi$$ and moan about being mistreated.

queue rants about 'reverse discrimination' in 3, 2, ....

Excuse me, this is a hate group. While saying Muslims should have no preferential treatment they have been advocating since 1989 for preferential treatment of Christians - school prayer, discimination against gays, etc. What hypocrits. Doesn't tell us which colleges and universities are public and which private. How many have Christian chapels? Would we allow the KKK to solicit? Actually I think we should. While this group is obviously completely dishonest and beyond the pale they still should be able to function. We, the average workers, of Maine should get the names of everyone who contributes so that we can exercise our 1st Amendment rights by letting them know just how we feel about their presence in our communities.

Usually what happens is an organization or individual will give large amounts of money to a university and they want control over the donation. Sometimes they even have a say on who is hired, curriculum, and naming of buildings. I've seen cases where what is taught is controled by a doner. This has been done for years. Nothing new...

As Gen. Colin Powell responded to the shouter's bogus claim that Obama is a Muslim: "So what?!" And after that he gave the example of the gravestone in a U.S. military cemetery bearing the crescent symbol of Islam honoring the soldier who died in service of this, his country. It's time for us to grow up in a wonderfully rich pluralistic nation.

This is plainly a hate group, and I hope they have not been allowed tax-exempt status (as that would mean we would all pay more to compensate for the taxes lost to the donations made to it). Several writers above correctly point out that it is a specious claim made essentially to garner publicity, as no such accommodations have been made in Maine.

However, I do not know what would be preferential were we to accommodate such a request. There was a Christian chapel at the University of Maine when I was a student there...and on occasion I sought comfort there. My family fled Europe for this land in the mid-1600s, seeking religious tolerance as Protestants. Islam, along with Christianity and Judaism, is one of the so-called "faiths of Abraham." If we accommodate one faith in public institutions, it would seem a matter of basic fairness (Christian charity, if you will;) as well as law that we should include all.

This is comical. The idea that free speech requires a license as a charity? Basically this group wants to act politically and be tax exempt. But their subject is -- or appears to be -- religion and is therefore outside political actions. The Constitution requires full freedom of religion ... and that implies a freedom for everyone to NOT have it interjected into government practices or the selection of representatives.

They want to address -- collect money and act tax exempt -- to alert “citizens to the remarkable privileges afforded the religion of Islam in American public schools and universities, including the provision of a ‘prayer room,’ foot baths, instruction in the Five Pillars of Islam, discussion of key passages of the Koran, and even an exercise in which seventh grade students were told that they ‘will become Muslim.’” FINE! If they have the funds let them spend them for what ever they wish to say against Islam. If they want to close christian chapels on state grounds, or in state run schools -- fine. Let them identify those locations in their literature -- and having done so, mention the Islamic locations.

The State is not obligated -- it is in fact prohibited from -- favoring one faith over another ... this group wants favoritism and special treatment and is apparently attacking any group which receives appropriate treatment of the type afforded any individual religious need. Next thing they'll be doing is requiring pork be given Jews to the exclusion of any other meat.

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What happen to seperation of church and state, do we just mash them together now when they need some funding to spread propoganda. This is a load of crap, if you want to come somewhere and spread your info to the people u should be required to fund yourself not take potshots at ol baldy for some free income.

This is a good example of "separation of church and state" legislation in action. The group was prevented from doing the mailing for tax reasons, not religious or free speech reasons.

cmon folks you are missing the point here. States are becoming so politically correct and anti-christian that they are going out of their way to accommodate muslims. the CAN knows that and just wants fairness. Isn't that what you all preach.. fairness and equality? (oh but if its fairness for christians, we don't want it)

March on you christian soilders, just don't march to Maine we really don't want any part of your Jihad your trying to start.

Kudos to Jon Albrecht and Ralph Moore, you have both hit the nail right on the head. The arrogance of these wacky southerners who come up north and try to pull the same garbage they have gotten away with down there for years in the name of "christianity" is revolting. I am still hopeful that a majority of christians are neither hateful nor intolerant, particularly in my home state. I am quite frankly proud of our legislature for having the insight to set up this law to protect us from these nefarious groups of zealots. Solicite in Maine all you want, but do it in a proper way and under the guidance of proper law. We will not tolerate deception and hate mongering in our State, particularly under the guise of "christian values." I am confident that our law is in fact constitutional and we will send this bunch packing back to where they came from. Once again Maine leads where it counts and I couldn't be prouder.

Wow, Maine has become even more like Canada in its willingness to trample on free speech and basic human rights to "protect" favored classes than I thought!!

It is breathtakingly DISGUSTING that the bureaucrats in Augusta have declared war on the citizens of the US and Maine. If this had been a "Muslim charity" doing the solicitation, we all know it would have been a far different story................right, Augusta bureaucrats?? American Muslim charities have been at the heart of financing several terrorist groups for DECADES. You can call what I just wrote "hate speech"............I don't care. Call it whatever you want. The truth hurts some people, I guess.

Free2Be, what logic! So if something terrible is not specifically happening in a particular state, nobody can or should write to people in that state to say, "would you help us to stop this problem??" Fascinating. (By the way, I will bet you $500 that similar pro-Islamic activities are happening in Maine as we speak...............visit USM or UMO lately???)

As to the legality issues, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE LAWSUIT, Einstein!! You must be joking if you think that the Constitution supports the legal argument that the state gets to say what groups can reference the governor, and which ones can't!! OR that the state can issue PERMITS for who can write to me asking for money. BLATANTLY unconstituational (yet typical) power grabbing by leftist pols and bureaucrats!!

The article gives specific states where this is happening and it is not happening in this state yet. So why don't you go and campaign in those states were it is happening.

Hey we're going to cram our religion down your throat or we're going to sue you. Makes me want to be a christan, how about you? On the other hand I don't think there should be any islamic anything in any public schools. If you start letting religion seep nto our schools this is the kind of crap that starts happening.

I love how the left flies high the flag of "FREE SPEECH!!" and "KEEP THE GOVERNMENT FROM NOSING INTO MY BUSINESS!" and "CIVIL LIBERTIES NOW!!" etc. etc. etc. Whenever George W got within a million miles of even looking sideways at the above sacred things, the HOWLS could be heard on Mars!!

Oh, dear, sweet hypocrites. I guess your principles aren't held so dear, after all...............they're just hollow, little political chits, it turns out.......

Ok, I don't think teaching about Islam (or any other world religion) is even a tiny bit wrong. Special accomodations for students with other religions could be debated. As for Christianity, I remember being taught the THEORY of Creation when I was in high school Biology. The reason it was presented was so that the Christian students would not get offended by the teaching of SCIENTIFIC theories (i.e. Big Bang...). Islam has a place in our schools, in the Western Civ. or World History classroom, just like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Confucianism, and yes, even the dreaded PAGANISM... All these religions (and many more) are a part of our culture.

As far as learning about the culture and ways of Muslims, I would say that the biggest danger lies in NOT learning about other cultures... Ignorance breeds hate. At the very least, students with an expanded worldview will grow to be more tolerant of other cultures than preceding generations (i.e. whatever educational system produced the people in this Christian Action Network...). And even the most narrow-minded of us can agree that it cannot hurt for us to know our enemy...

On 10/6/09 at 4:40 AM, leumas wrote: If I were on a jury I'd award them about 500 thousand in real damages and 500 million in punitive damages, for discrimination.

So please allow me to ask where you stand on malpractice reform regarding healthcare. You seem to be pro litigation when it comes to religious applications.

I actually taught world religions (including Islam) to public school 9th graders, beginning in 1987, without any official "permission" or approval..............and ran the risk of getting into trouble for it, I suppose. But I felt it was important for kids to understand religions, and to understand other people. So I took a week out of a busy schedule to teach all major religions to kids who knew nothing about most of them (if not all of them).

In other words, I put my money where my mouth is, something few posters on here have ever done when it comes to relgions, teaching, tolerance, etc.etc. etc.

But let's not engage in pretense, and let's not pretend: many posters on here simply DESPISE Christianity (bad childhood experiences??) and mask that hatred in all kinds of ways (but it's still showing....)

And many leftists have developed a weird admiration and support for religion.....including mixing it with education, government, etc. Of course, I mean just ONE particular religion................Islam! In their bizarre "template", or world view, Christianity (and often Judaism) = "BAD", while Islam = "GOOD".

And any one who challenges Islam or Islamists in ANY way-- be it related to terrorism, mixing of church and state, its epidemic homophobia and intolerance, etc. etc. etc. is simply engaging in "hate speech".

Now, the reason they throw out the hate speech (or "hate groups") slur is because there is actually some weight of the State behind such charges now............one can actually get in trouble legally for engaging in "hate speech" these days (whatever the hell that is)! So, leftists have learned to throw "hate speech" out as a silencer................."IF YOU KEEP IT UP AND DON'T JUST SHUT UP, WE WILL NAIL YOU WITH THE WHOLE HATE SPEECH THING"..............

What does this mean? the left (and many posters on here) have no problem with spitting on free speech. That's what it comes down to. They'll never admit it---but they care little for freedom of speech and thought. AND they hate Christianity (or as MIchael Novak called it, "the only socially acceptable form of bigotry left in America today..... the bigotry towards religious people").

You folks prove that on here every day. And you don't even care.

In an ideal world yes it would be wonderful to learn about different cultures and religions in school and all the childern could learn with a big open mind, but this is reality. right wing nut jobs would take their kids out of school because there virgin ears could not be exposed to the evils of other religions. Left wing nut jobs would hall their kids simple because children were learning about religion in schools. Then come the angree school Board meetings, the protests, articles in the paper, and the whole time the parents are batteling it out, the kids are at home, not learning about religion or anything at all. This is why there is no religion in schools.

why is it that Christians can not have prayer in public schools yet foot baths are being built in public schools for Muslims to practice their religion? God bless America !

I've read the mailing and it does not list specifics pertaining to schools in Maine. Also, it uses the generic term "schools in...." to make their point. So, what are these schools? Any specifics, or are they just pulling "facts" out of the air? These assertions by the CN leave serious doubt to their claims. I will agree, however, no public school, college, etc should recognize or allow the practice thereof, any religion. That's what you places of worship is for. Or your home.

I mean just look at the drama and bitter adversity this BDN blog has stired up. now lets drop that right in the middle of Mrs. Hover's 4th grade class room. Nice!

The suit is entirely bogus. Fredom of Speech and soliciting gfunds are two entirely different issues, which this orginization seems to be trying to mix. The State of Maine is in no way stopping this group from parcticing free speech. The state of Maine is simply regulating the solicitation of money & protecting it's citizens from bogus orginizations & people who would solicit funds for themselves & not use them for legitimate charitable uses. This group could easily mail out their flyers without any request for funds, thus expressing their free speech. Instead they asre soliciting funds and trying to call it free speech. If that were the case, then any con man could claim his free speech rights were being violated & could never be arrested for illegal activity, which the public would scream about and call for laws. Oh wait, this is why we have these laws on the books.

Christians can have prayer in public, nobody is going to stop a kid from praying on their own. Religion is like like your 'anatomy.' Don't flash it around in public and don't put it down other people's throats.

And as for prejudice towards Christianity, I'll openly admit, the "Christians" i've had experiences with, have colored my view of the religion. EJ Parsons is a good example of a Christian that I *don't* dislike (live and let live.) 4HIM's representation of Christianity is an example of the opposite (you will be assimilated, resistance is futile)

Reaganite: Pure, plain, and simple. You are full of it!

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or freedom of religion. Freedom of speech is speech directed at your government. Its political speech. This is hate speech. Speech intended to incite hatred for a class of people. Nor is it about freedom of religion. Christians dominate American life. They have chapels at thousands of universities and colleges. We have universities and colleges that bar non-christians from attending. We have universities that aggressively teach christian dogma - Catholic and fundamentalist universities like Liberty, Bob Jones, and Notre Dame come to mind. They are not solisiting funds for a Charity. They are solisiting funds to promote their hate speech.

But as I said I think we should let them as long as the name and address of each donor is publicly available long with all officers and officials of the group.

Just because their organization has the word "Christian" in its name, does not make them automatically in the right; or even doing something that is legal.

You can't solicit on behalf of someone who has not consented to you using their name - come on !

Just because they've filed a suit doesn't make them in any way persecuted.

This is a PR strategy; and the dumber people have fallen for it.

Pretty pathetic.

LethbridgeStewart: I know loads of good Christians and loads of good Jews, etc. I think it is the person themselves sometimes. And yes, you are talking about 2 entirely different sorts there at 12:02 PM You've got it!

One of the posters here sounds angry . A lot (a lot) of people do not despise what you say they do. How are you some expert in knowing how they feel and make these broad categorizations about how people feel about their individual faiths.! You do not know what is in a lot of people's hearts and minds. Maybe that is where you are getting it wrong. I did not bother to vote you down (I rarely bother with that feature anyway) but I guess I can see why some did.

shreknangst: Thanks for your intelligent comments!

ralphmoore36: Just read your comment at 9:48 AM....your's is the best of all.....simply put, but it says so much.

With the way that the christian groups are stating lies and decieving on the informercials about same sex marriage ,I would rather go without a religion .

I don't believe a word they say. They have more hate than anybody of non faith. The woman who is supposed to be a teacher from Ellsworth maine is not a teacher ,she is an activist who was used in the informercial,,, Lies and deciet is all the christian faith is and they are fighting withing the political realm,and christian groups. Tax their churces and their land that there building is on. You can also go to hell for lieing and decieving ,,,did you fine christians know that? Eating crustations ,,you go to hell also,,,

realy, eating crustations? Is that just catholics or all christans?

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with JC and the gang. The problem is people, People take things way to far and people use Religion to serve there own needs. People think they are richious and better than the rest. Man, if JC was here today I think he'd lay the smack down on a few people.

I agree keenov. I think he'd be very disapointed in all the hate and bigotry used in His name.

reaganite, i applaud your effort to educate your students! i can't remember ever learning western civ till a college honors course in it. and at that time, it completely blew my mind that there was more to history than just the "american" history taught in public school

Pretending to be persecuted for your religion, when you are really just being called-out for fallacious reasoning, exaggerating, and outright lying about an issue, is not going to win anyone any converts.

Aion and Albrecht are two excellent case studies of what I mean. Closed minds, closed hearts. "What, me............discriminatory??? How could it be ME who's the bigot?? We ALL know the Christians are the bad people! I don't get the joke!"

The CAN thinks the law that regulates charitable solicitation is unconstitutional. They want it overturned. They cannot petition any court to declare it unconstitutional and overturn it unless they are an aggreived party---they must have a cause of action. Therefore, the CAN picked the State of Maine as their test case. They filed the forms, but didn't fill out much of the financial information (sounds a bit dishonest to me), was told their licence was pending and they could not solicit funds until it was granted and then solicited funds anyway in defiance of the law.

Quite often, if an entity wins a lawsuit, they receive monetary compensation. Looks like the CAN can't seem to solicit enough funds from fellow Christians to survive, so they resort to filing lawsuits against a state and its TAXPAYERS who never even heard of them.

reaganite,

just curious, you said you took a week out of a busy schedule teaching public school 9th graders to teach "world religions". So, about how much did you teach in, what, about an hour a day, for 5 days? How much of a religion can you teach in 15 minutes?

Oh Frankforter, come on.............we're not 12 years old here! You can't deal with the fact that a "closedminded, bigoted, stupid rightwinger" could have had such a pluralistic, student-focused approach to teaching, so it's "let's find a way to denigrate the effort............SOME how! Some way! Can't let him get away with THIS one!!" Do you know that people can see through you? Do you??

As to your previous post, even though I'm a taxpayer too, you BETCHA I hope the group takes the State of Maine to the cleaners, if it's found that our dear old leftist bureaucrats engaged in illegal discrimination and violation of basic free speech rights. I mean---YOU care about free speech and all too, RIGHT, Frankforter?? Deeply?? Enough to..............oh, let's just say...............HAMMER some unnamed ex-Prez who happened to have a distinct middle initial, whenever HE "trampled" on our basic civil liberties and rights??????...........Hmmmmmmm??? Did you ever do that, Frankforter?? Just curious!

(By the way, I did a GREAT job cramming 5,000 years of religious history into one week, if I do say so myself! lol. And no, sorry to disappoint you............it did NOT include any proselytizing to turn the mindless little robots into Falwell disciples...............Sorry to burst your bubble. You see, integrity is nothing to take lightly. As far as I"M concerned, at least......)

'reaganite', I appreciate your posting at 11:28am, on the 6th october. I have a post-graduate degree taken as a part-time course in world Religions. I found I had some time to spend on my hands and although I hate to play golf (complete waste of time and money here) and don't like to sit around, I signed up for this course which led to a Masters. Although I have two Doctorates in law, as an international attorney, I find this course assisted me greatly in some sensitive cases our law firm undertook. Now, we have mandated that all our attorneys in our law firm (me as a primary partner) undertake extra courses befitting that attorney's desires which will assist them in their legal processing. Our firm pays 75% of their education.

I see the overnight proof-reader at BDN did not appreciate my one-liner, and removed it. He should have taken a closer look at some of the other comments. Seems as though there is jealousy with this Christian group. Let's see how Maine handles this one. There will be a crossover of values somewhere along the line, i can already see it coming!

Nice deflection; the fact remains; you can't solicit funds in someone else's name without their consent.

Cre8: I don't think you got the main gist of that poster's comments at 11:28 AM

"Jealousy within this Christian group." Concerning the poster whose posting you appreciate, you do understand does not look at it that way; quite the opposite!

what people forget, is that if you look all over the world, its muslims that are actively trying

to kill, injure, mame, and intimidate people. who else does this with such wide spread

coverage? while christians are feeding and clothing the poor. does anyone remember 9/11? uss cole? oh yeah by the way, we have a new

stamp coming out that is praising islam. what a disgrace to this country.

JonAlbrecht "this is hate speech......that is hate speech" from reading your posts, its clear you have your own brand of hate

speeach and its against christians, and you like to stereotype people who have christian beliefs. turn it off for a while would ya?

um, reaganite,

your rant only wasted your time---I really WAS curious how you managed to teach world religions to your students in just one week---5 school days---about 40 minutes a day---a total of 200 minutes, which is 3 hours and 20 minutes. Which religions of the world did you actually teach, and just how much of each religion could you actually teach in a 40 minute class? Sheesh---can you answer a simple question? Your outburst was totally uncalled for.

JoeDoe,

You said "we have a new stamp coming out praising Islam"...really? how do you know these things? I thought it was supposed to be super top-secret!!!! Oh, d@mn, now I have to reprogram my Little Orphan Annie Super Decoder Ring!

Seriously though, do you have any proof or a link perhaps for your claim about the "stamp"?

Oh, reaganite, I almost forgot---

Your rant about the "leftist bureaucrats discriminating and violating free speech rights.....yada, yada, yada"...did it even enter your mind that the CAN has been in existance for almost 20 YEARS, and it's just NOW getting around to soliciting funds in Maine? It was only recently (MAY of 2009) that CAN filed the paperwork (uncompleted of course) to begin soliciting funds from Mainers. It was ONLY AFTER the Secretary of State's Office of Financial and Insurance Regulation, informed CAN that their licence was PENDING because they FAILED to include alot of vital information on the form, and they were not permitted to solicit funds YET, that the CAN decided they were above the law and solicited funds anyway. So, the Sec. of State didn't violate CAN's free speech rights. the Sec. of State just told CAN they couldn't solicit funds.

Additionally, this exact paragraph really just reiterates my statement:

The Christian Action Network is asking the court to find the Maine Charitable Solicitation Act, which regulates how charities may ask for contributions and sets out reporting requirements, unconstitutional. It also is seeking an injunction to keep the state from enforcing the law and is asking for legal fees.

Ok, Well,

First of all this country United States of America was founded upon the Bible and Christian values. Well now the Muslims have immigrated here, which there is nothing wrong with that, cause all of us immigrated here too. But they push their religion in our schools and make them have to have special rooms for them to pray in, but you cant even mention the word God in school or you will be punished or kicked out of school. What??? We were founded upon the Bible and the Muslims just came over here and said that they wanted prayer rooms and they got that with no problem. If they want to practice their religion every day then go back to your country dont force it in our schools and make special rooms for your religion. Or practice your religion in your home or church or (mosques); That is what they are for.

I could say more about this topic but im getting a headache.

Oh and whoever said something about the equality marriage thing come on give me a break there are hundreds of teachers who believe that their shouldnt be same sex marriage so im sure they found a teacher who would go their commercial.

And same sex marriage THINK ABOUT IT !!!! man and man how can you believe that is right you have to be perverted you dont see the same sex of animals having sex, so ANIMALS ARE SMARTER THAN YOU WOW that is very very sad that they can find the difference and some of you cant unbelievable it is going to be voted down again and again they already have signed a ballot that has enough signatures to vote it down.

ive said enough about it.

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fathead07,

you said the United States of America was founded upon the Bible and Christian values. Really? Perhaps you can show us all exactly what, in the U.S. Constitution, our FOUNDING DOCUMENT, indicates this. Exactly which "Christian values" are embedded within our Constitution? What makes them exclusively Christian? Thanks in advance

Ah...Christians....They always have to be hating someone...They really should read the New Testament especially 1John 4:16....

Thanks, Revv! It is ALWAYS good advice to suggest that people read the Bible! :)

Frankforter, I don't care what you think.

Cre8, thanks for the props and interesting story about your firm. You "get it"...........

I agree...............this whole law about solicitating sounds blatantly unconstitutional. It's just insane, the whole thing............and people on here just contribute to the insanity by saying things like "you can't solicit on behalf of someone without permission". Oh Lord, you people are nuts sometimes...........was the CAN group REALLY trying to solicit on behalf of Baldacci?? Really?? Are you really going to be SO nuts as to assert that?? Do I need to go any further......do I need' to try to "clarify" what they were using his name for?? NO, no I think not................some of you on here are expert at CRAZY-MAKING, and I learned a long time ago not to enable you in that ridiculous pursuit.............

WOW 12:55 AM - have a coherent thought much?

reaganite, I'd like to use your name to solicit funds for my charitable organization. You don't need to know what its about, where the money comes from or where its going but I'm sure using your name would help. Sure you won't mind as you seem to be saying no one needs permission.

Jack

Hey, reaganite,

Nobody really cares what YOU think either.....

...So, I guess this means you won't be explaining how much time you spent nor how many world religions you actually taught for that one week to your 9th graders??

reaganite was a teacher and is a social worker - WOW we really should stiffen up the qualifications for both.

Jack B.

Assuming he is ( a big assumption), standards and requirements have improved for both since the 50's.

I see the BDN is censoring any posts that speak negatively against the BDN and Eric Steele. I guess this is a one - sided blog

(like BDN)

Maybe the language was inappropriate.....personally insulting,etc......12:33 PM and quite a number of others here have spoken very negatively of Dr Steele....so your point is not well taken. Have no fear; those opinions are still very much on here.

Go pull your crap somewhere else, Aion, Jack, Freetbeanidiot,, etc. Where did you learn those stupid arguing tricks? They won't work here..............I know more about reality in my one pinkie than you'll ever hope to know. You know nothing. You're used to attacking idiots and getting them to shut up with your big man challenges and your petty nastiness...............big men, all. You probably sit at home watching your MSNBC all day long, looking for new unoriginal things to regurgitate on newspapers blogs. You have nothing. Nothing. You and your little race mongering, homphobia mongering, whining cheap arguments that don't weigh a thing. So you whine, "WHY won't you tell us how you taught world religions?? WHY won't you prove that you were a teacher or social worker? WHY do you get to do those things??"

Because some of us actually do more than run our moujths. That's why...go back to your caves.

dood Rev gerald,

What in the world are you talking about First John 4:16 what Bible do you have and what has anything to do with that we are talking about a lawsuit not about the Bible just to let you know.

Frankforter,

Are you aware that the congress began its sessions with prayer, which is still a practice in both houses of congress today? God was referred to in the constitutions of the colonies and later the thirteen states as: one God in South Carolina and Connecticut; Almighty in North Carolina, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Vermont; in Massachusetts, He was called, the Supreme Being, the Creator, Good and the Great Legislator of the Universe; He was called the Governor of the Universe in Pennsylvania and Vermont; and the inspirer of the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments in South Carolina and Pennsylvania. His Divine Providence was recognized in New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts. In Connecticut he was called Savior and Lord. Do you think the classroom in our country ever study these documents today? I think not! These references to God make clear that our founding fathers recognized and acknowledged God's nature and authority, as well as mankind's dependence upon the Lord. They believed that individual rights were God given and not manmade. Even though today's society tries to take away our rights by separating church and state and eliminating God from our schools, God remains the true forefather of this country. Even though He gave us the right to choose and think for ourselves, ultimately he's in control. And as Thomas Jefferson said, "The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart."

So all that to say this we have always been a Christian nation since the Pilgrims settled here so thank you for your comment.

fathead07,

I asked you about the United States COnstitution which is THE founding document of our country. I did not ask about each individual state, so your expounding on state constitutions is neither relevant nor useful. So, do you care to show exactly where in the United States Constitution it indicates this country was "founded on 'the bible' and Christian VALUES". Explain exactly which values, and how those values are exclusively Christian. Can you do that? Thanks in advance.

Anyone reading reaganite's post from 3:53pm, whew! Better keep your little dogs inside---he's goin' postal!

Most of the founding fathers were vehement opponents of organized religion, you could find this out for yourselves if you'd take the time to read anything they wrote....their beliefs were based upon a belief in humanism, to which modern Christianity is fundamentally opposed. Modern Christianity is based on judgement and conformity, not understanding and freedom of being. The type of people making the Christian values argument are exactly the type of people that the founding fathers hated most.

. . . . . . . WHAT WOULD JOHN BALDACCI AND OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF-AS-A NON REGISTER SEX OFFENDER TO ATTEND THE CHURCH TO WORSHIP IN THE HOUSE OF GOD {ALL CHURCHES} AS TO WHO WOULD BE VIOLATED WITH THIS IDEAS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AS SEX OFFENDER COULD NOT BE AROUND CHILDREN . . . . . . . OPINION OF THIS QUESTION IS OPTIONAL ALSO . . . . . . . DOES THE CHILDREN HAVE TO WEAR SEAT BELT ON THE SCHOOL BUS . . . . . . . AS REGISTER OR NOT TO WHO WORSHIP RIGHTS WOULD BE VIOLATE OF THIS CIRCUMSTANCE . . . . . . .

1 in 4 in the world are Muslum...

Jesus loves litigation

Joshua,

Are you kidding me Joshua, Have you heard about George Washington, the first Pres. of the U.S., im sure youve read about him of course. He was from England and they were all Catholics or Christians and when he came over here to the U.S. he read his Bible and pray for the troops before they went into battle and prayed for strenth and wisdom in Valley Forge, but im sure you read about that too. And you always see him kneeling down and praying beside a horse in paintings, so to say that hes not a christian or he HATED CHRISTIANS is just true. "YOU COULD FIND THIS OUT FOR YOURSELF IF YOU'D TAKE THE TIME TO READ ANYTHING THEY" DID and "WROTE". as you would say.

Frankforter,

It isn't in the U.S constitution, and it doesnt need to be, but it was founded by people who believed in God at cause most of them were from England who was a Catholic nation for hundreds of years. But anyway this country has founded another belief called evolution isnt that a joke you teach evolution but you cant teach Creation they are both religions. ahhhh wowww