AG rebuts gay marriage opponents

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU I CANT STRESS ENOUGH HOW MUCH THIS MEANS TO ME AND MY FAMILY

No it won't be mandatory for teachers to teach gay marriage, I doubt its mandatory for them to teach a fifth grader how to put a condom on a banana, but thats taught. The teachers have certain guidelines they HAVE to follow, then they can put whatever else into the class they want. I remember in high school an english teacher of mine had us all pick partners, go thru each article of clothing we were wearing to find out how much of it was made in China, and then have us an 80 min. lecture on how bad Chinese products were. I highly doubt that was in the curriculum for english class, but there it was.

5:46 PM, Mainer72, and you were so fearful. Did you really believe all those ads on TV?

Vote NO on ONE

I'm not sure who is more ignorant: the people who run ads designed to make simpletons believe that their children are going to be corrupted or the simpletons who are actually stupid enough to believe them. And we wonder why Maine's economy is chronically depressed? I suspect it has something to do with the number of idiots who live here.

Maybe it is time to remove all the false informaiton from the airwaves. Personnaly I am sick and tired of hearing the doom and gloom the "Yes" crowd. I would think that the "Yes" crowd start to realize that they are not going win.

VOTE NO!!!

I don't know which is worse Bangorian, those who are ignorant of what is really being taught in public school systems, or those who know whats going on and do nothing about it.

Attorney General Janet Mills is a liar. I don't believe her for one second.

Mainesurvivor, i talked to a principal today and they were warned not to teach it. Janet Mills condems it she doesnt think gay marraige should be allowed in maine. Figure this out my daughters school has five gay lets count 1 2 3 4 5 gay teachers. But we will see the outcome. And williamds, vote yes on #1 lets protect us mainers

still voting yes on I

I want a guarantee,in writing, from the illustrious AG that Gay marriage wont EVER be taught in Maine. Because I don't this this AG or any other public official can do that. Because,as the AG said :

"Instead, Mills wrote, local school boards make curriculum decisions based on the general guidelines established in Maine Learning Results. Additionally, state law does not dictate that schools use specific texts or materials, reads the letter."

So by their own admission, a teacher or district COULD decide to teach whatever they want to about gay marriage and if parents or others try to fight it, we WILL have the same result that they have in MA.A lawsuit by the ACLU or the ilk. It would have to be taught so as not to violate a law that would be on the books that allows gay marriage.

I will personally go into classrooms and teach how happy gay couples are. I will let kids know that it not a bad thing to be gay. i will tell them the bible is misquoted by religious bigots to support their point of view. I will also tell them them the yes on 1 will keep repeting a lie until they actually believe what they say.

Won't need to worry about gay marriage being taught in school kids will see it on the street, roller rink,mall, resturants, movies, bathroom, buses, MacDonalds, sidewalks, toy stores. Better save all the old story books cause those are about to change.

The law the Maine legislature passed is a good law, it protects religious freedom, and ensures equal protection under Maine's laws as our constitution intends.

Anyone who is concerned over what is taught in their local schools should participate in setting the school curriculum. Maine empowers its people to have a say in what gets taught, and that will not change one way or the other regardless of how the vote goes.

I am voting NO on 1, because I know it's right, moral and just to protect all children in Maine families equally.

Mainer72:

You people are just upset because when the yes side throws out crap in the media,the no people challange the information and prove that its wrong and misinformed. Once again the no supporters prove another point.. I hope all of you people are paying attention to the lies,misinformation and the scare tactics that the yes side are useing to sway the voters. We need to think of how our future generations will be treated,and if you want them to be treated any less than they should,,,then VOTE NO ON QUESTION # 1 for your future generations to come.. Equality for all

But wait a minute here. Isn't that descrimination against gays if it's not taught in schools? It's only a matter of time until the loonies force this subject be taught in schools regardless of what a prevaricating govt official says today.

Protect our children, protect marriage, vote yes on 1.

Scintillate....are you worried that gay couples are going to do the "dirty" deed on the "street, roller rink,mall, resturants, movies, bathroom, buses, MacDonalds, sidewalks, toy stores"? I don't see heterosexual couples doing the "dirty" deed on the "street, roller rink,mall, resturants, movies, bathroom, buses, MacDonalds, sidewalks, toy stores"? Why do you think a gay couple would be any different?

Sledman, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth there. You cannot be concerned with discrimination against gays and use THAT as a reason to vote away their rights. But you know that.

I'm voting NO on 1, because there truly is no moral reason to deny all families equal protection under the law.

anonon what misinformation have we thrown out that you havent already thrown out. Please tell me because i have several emails from the no side begging me let me repeat BEGGIN ME for my vote.

By the way spelling lesson time its Mcdonalds not Macdonals ty

The referendum supporters have focused exclusively on the issue of what is taught in schools in the message they have put out. Why did they not get signatures for a referendum that banned any teaching of same-sex marriage in schools?

The issue of what is taught in schools does not change one way or the other after this vote, no matter which way it goes. So if this is your primary concern, why are you spending so much money and effort to take protections away from Maine children while doing nothing toward guiding their curriculum in the schools?

I'm voting NO on 1, because the referendum doesn't even address the concerns of its supporters.

Mainer72:

The comments on here and the ads run on TV and the radio.

#1 About homosexual relationships being taught in schools.

#2 Trying to say that the poll taken was rigged.

#3 Saying the next thing will be people marrying their animals.

#4 Homosexuals showing public displays of affection.

#5 Saying that a woman can't teach a boy what a man can.

You didn't personally say these but the people who have and are for the against same sex marriage are throwing out some outrageous comments that have no basis at all about the subject at hand. It is about all people who are created as equals being treated as equals. To deny anybody of the same rights as others is not the American way .

All these are doing is really telling people how many lies and the misinformation and deceiving that is at hand and going to give us more support on Question # 1

I have yet to see any form of ads from the equality side that have been proven wrong or negative statements in ads but the against side has had some and it comes out after being investigated as false statements.

They might not be able to teach directly about gay lifestyles, but they will be able to teach about discrimination against gays and explain the lifestyle to the kids, so they don't discriminate against it. That's exactly what is happening in California.

Bangorian, You seem like a pretty lonely and miserable person. Smile once in a while, life isn't so bad!

Arwen10: You said: "I doubt its mandatory for them to teach a fifth grader how to put a condom on a banana, but thats taught."

Seriously, where do you get your drugs? They must be great. Dude, I assume you're a dude, even a woman wouldn't say something so assinine, do you even HAVE kids in school? If you did, you'd know that's just not true.

Vote "No" on Question #1

For those of you claiming homosexuality is a "lifestyle", that is a false and ignorant statement. Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don't choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.

http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html

Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html

http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html

http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172/

There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. "Nurture" may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.

And it should also be noted that:

"It is worth noting that many medical and scientific organisations do believe it is impossible to change a person's sexual orientation and this is displayed in a statement by American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association."

Here is why the slippery slope argument fails.

Let us take the 4 common arguments: beastiality, pedophilia, incest, and polygamy. First off, all 4 of these are fetishes, and irrelevant to homosexuality, which is a sexual orientation. Let me distinguish this for you using incest as an example. If a guy into incest is straight, he'll choose his sister, and if he's gay, he'll choose his brother. See the distinguishment? Now pedophilia and beastiality will never be legal, because both are non-consenting and harmful, whereas homosexuality is 2 loving consenting adults that is not wrong or harmful. Incest, also has been shown to lead to genetic defects, so that is also out of the question. Incest also is a fetish, not a sexual orientation. I have never seen a person exclusively attracted to their brothers/sisters etc. Which leaves polygamy. Now i'll prove why homosexuality also won't lead to polygamy.

Who the two people getting married are, is a completely different question in law than how many people can marry. The states have all agreed to prohibit polygamous marriage. They have given numerous public policy reasons and the prohibition stands.

Equal protect applies so long as a rational public policy reason exists to prohibit certain marriages.What is the rational public policy reason for prohibiting a gay couple from marrying? Six states and seven jurisdictions have said there isn't one.

No court or legislature has made a finding that letting two people of the same-sex marry will somehow permit more than two people of any gender to marry. Allowing prisoners to marry and allowing inter-racial couples to marry didn't make polygamy acceptable and it didn't make all married couples criminals or bi-racial. You have no point, you are relying on assumptions and "what ifs" that have been proven to be myths and false. There is no evidence showing gay marriage having a higher chance of leading to polygamy than heterosexual marriage.

All 50 states and the federal government have said there is a public policy reason to prohibit polygamous marriages. With 5 years of gay marriage in Massachusetts, no one has asked to marry more than one other person in Massachusetts, let alone say the 14th amendment of the US Constitution gives them that right.

The slippery slope is a myth meant as a scare tactic that's quickly becoming obsolete.

This was taken from another poster that shows why we need to legalize gay marriage. If you don't feel for this person after reading it, you simply aren't human.

"I am not sure what our President thinks of this dicission but coming from a poor family and knowing what discrimination is all about I would assume he would not care if "Gays" have equal rights. The whole reason why they are asking for rights to be considered married is from the same reason why I would be for it. My own life partner commited suicide in our home with a gun to his heart. After a 28 year union I was deprived to even go his funeral. We had two plots next to each other. But because we did not have a marriage cirtificate "(Legal Document)" of our union his mother had him cremated and his ashes taken back to Missouri where we came from. That is only one example how painful it is. His suicide tramatized me so much and her disregard for my feelings only added to my heartach. That happened on March 21 of 2007 and I still cannot type this without crying for the trauma I have to endure each day. Oh did I mention I am in an electric wheelchair for life? Yes I am and it is very diffacult to find another mate when you are 58 and in a wheelchair. "

The people who collected signatures in Maine to stop marriage equality did so by misleading people, lying, and using deception. These people who claim to be "right" or "moral" but then use evil, sinful, lying ways. Here's what one of my friends from Maine told me.

"Sadly "Stand for Marriage Maine" collected many signatures by misleading people to believe they would not be able to vote unless they "registered" with those who were collecting signatures. At the Old Port Festival a woman at the top of Exchange Street was collecting signatures for the vote to ban gay marriage, but she was promoting it as if you were registering to vote. She said "Are you registered votes in Maine would you like to register here?" It was one sentence, she didn’t pause. I asked what we were registering for and she said "To determine if marriage is between a man and a woman or a man and a man or whatever." Then came the best part, she said "Would you like to sign so you can vote?" As if I couldn’t vote if I didn’t sign. She wasn’t telling people that it was a petition to stop gay marriage by putting it to a vote, she was convincing people to sign thinking that they had to or they wouldn’t be allowed to vote. There was nothing that even indicated what or why people where to sign. It’s not about Gay Marriage, it’s about Hate and Control. The fact they collected signatures so quickly only proves they preyed on the elderly and ignorant. This only provides evidence that many Mainers still have much growing up to do."

Do you really want to support people who lied to you, deceived you, who are trying to force you to spread discrimination and bigotry? Don't let these anti-gay people control your lives and choices. Support marriage equality in Maine and vote NO on 1.

So, we're supposed to take the word of our Attorney General regarding a law that she testified in support of? Ummm...she doesn't seem to be the most objective person in the world! This sounds like a staged political stunt.

Today I mailed in my absentee ballot. I voted Yes on 1, No on 2, Yes on 3, Yes on 4, No on 5, No on 6 and Yes on 7.

There, that's simple enough!

Tanker99: You said: "They might not be able to teach directly about gay lifestyles, but they will be able to teach about discrimination against gays and explain the lifestyle to the kids, so they don't discriminate against it. That's exactly what is happening in California."

You say that like it's a BAD thing??? Wow...

Vote "No." on Question #1.

Anonon im not sure if it was you or aionca that said that you had this wrapped iwth your fingers tied that the no side would win. How do you know that or whoever said it lol its not even election time.

I wonder who lied in California?

Yeah, right. When the teachers in Massachusetts developed homosexual indoctrination "teaching lessons", and parents objected, the parents were told to "Get over it, it is legal." These are aimed at elementary school kids: "The two kings" and "Susie has two mommies."

Its a bad thing if you don't want your children ti talk about gay marriage. I don't see any discrimination classes for black people.

5:56 PM, Bangorian, one must be respectful of the rank-and-file. It's what we have.

Vote NO on ONE

Timb073: You said: "So, we're supposed to take the word of our Attorney General regarding a law that she testified in support of?"

Would you take the word of an Attorney General regarding a law she testified AGAINST? Do you expect her to testify in favor of an illegal law? What's your point?

Vote No on Question #1.

6:13 PM, Mainer72, and to hell with gay Mainers? I don't think so...

Vote NO on ONE

robroy, you just set yourself up to be called a liar. The No voters will argue that that's not true, even if you show them the proof right in front of their faces. They talk about the advertisements not telling the truth, but yet they are blind to see what is going on in the states that passed gay marriage.

Mainer72:

No it's not election time but as we get closer and by the false accusations and mis information and deceiving topics and tactics from the yes side we are bound to win this because there are too many educated Mainers that want equality for the future generations. We are all created as equals and should all be treated equally. No mater of gender,race,sexual preference or any of that. Kids are going to grow up and learn about homosexuals,we did and so will they and they have their own opinions and if they were raised the way the should have been they will be respectful and supportive productive people of our society.

7:31 PM, tanker99, you are being manipulated by the religious right. Fundamentalist clergy need to keep people fearful in order to keep them tithing .....etc. It's an industry but it's failing. There are real Christians out there like Bishop John Shelby Spong.

tanker99...here's your chance. Tell us how the ad featuring the couple from Massachusetts is accurate. Please provide the facts, not what you heard.

JD2008... I gave facts on past postings and I also gave websites for people to look at, about things that are taking place in California, but for some reason nobody argues those facts. Instead they ignore it, I haven't had one person argue with me about those facts I have posted. Instead the ones that are for Gay marriage would rather correct people on their spelling and let the facts slip by, hoping nobody sees it. WilliamDS.... Instead of saying it's a fearful tactic, why don't you argue against the post I presented to you in the past. I think it was you that said you didn't like the website that I showed you, but I also posted a far left site that would make you feel better about what I was saying. I will try to fin what I wrote before and the websites that I posted and I will put it on here again. Hopefully I can get some replies about it this time.

Step Right up and Buy This: Maine has Guaranteed the Policy of the School System for a Lifetime, Counter to the Law Passed if We Accept the Extreme Low Number Minority Upcoming Vote. Yes Indeed, The Good People Can Be Reassured That the Ethics and Family Beliefs of The Majority Nuclear Families Don't Need to Concern Themselves. The Future is Covered. Why Not, if We Teach Children All is Great and Good.... Homosexuality Can only Flourish and Be That Other Viable Option for the Impressionable Children to Intellectually Consider. Young Kids are Evolving Ya Know. Teach them and they might go...

before their is another correction I'll do it myself.....I will try to FIND

tanker99...well here is your opportunity to point out, with facts that the add featuring the Massachusetts couple is completely accurate and has not been manipulated to fit the Yes on1 cause. The ball, as they say is firmly in your court.

RHetzer...sorry to hear that you believe children are so easily swayed and will not learn from their parents.

I already voted as I'll be too busy to go on election day. In the interest of full disclosure, I voted no. And I expect a lot of people on or around the fence will vote that way simply because they're sick of hearing a bloated case about one incident in massachusetts, a state nobody in Maine cares about except for the sox b's c's and pats. Well, the Revs too.

Even if it is mentioned in school, so f***ing what? We teach kids that Christopher Columbus was a great man who enslaved "indians" and in some case especially in Maine, our ancestors and ACTUALLY have a federal holiday in his "honor."

Waiting for the outcry from these same people about the teaching of evolution. You know they just cringe every time they have to help their kid with science homework and come to that chapter in the textbook.

We teach kids about sex in general. Who cares at that point if it's two guys, two girls, a guy and a girl, six guys three girls and a dog, makes no difference.

With or without gay marriage being legalized, it WILL be brought up in history/social studies classes in the future. Your vote one way or the other will not do a damned thing except make you feel satisfied. And what will you do when you vote yes, but another state (or group of states) have gay marriage legalized? Your kid will still come home that fateful day and tell you they discussed this issue as part of a current events discussion. And somebody had the audacity to say it was acceptable in society. Oh no! *yawn* Gay sex is already legal and you damn sure won't stop that. A councilor will still tell a kid who confides in him/her that they feel curious, or afraid, that it's okay. That society will accept them, and that they aren't freaks or abnormal. That it's perfectly fine.

People voting yes or no on this issue, are largely voting for the wrong reasons. Especially those who feel it will have ANY effect on schools. ANY, ANY, ANY worthwhile teacher who teaches social studies and current events WILL bring this issue up, and there WILL be a discussion about it in your child's classroom. And if you want to stand in the way you are merely an active coward with only a slight backbone visible. Harry Potter books are still in the school library, as are Sherlock Holmes stories and other books I'm sure featuring smoking protagonists, and bloodshed, and murder. So too will be magazines that feature political viewpoints, or scantily-clad pop stars, or shirtless male singers/band members. And then there's the school newspaper, which may well have a gay student who has something worthwhile to say on the matter, along with the straight student who has something similarly worthwhile.

You see: YOU AREN'T PROTECTING ANYBODY FROM ANYTHING. It will still be there. It will still be discussed. It will be a topic of debate at school boards and will find its way into the classroom whether you vote yes or no. And yes, while the school board may not require it, they also cannot within reasonable terms, outlaw it. And no rebellion you lead towards the doorsteps of the school or any PTO or school board meeting you can find, will change that. In the end, even if the majority of this town votes Yes on 1, it will be a short-lived, meaningless "victory" and I hesitate to even use the V word. Their expectations will not be fulfilled.

As for the concerns that a majority vote of No on 1 would lead to this issue being forced into the classrooms via civil liberties complaints... gays and their civil rights, the ACLU, coalitions, protests, etc. They are all absolutely worthless. It is an issue of debate, it's current, it will be current for years to come, just as slavery was, just as evolution vs. creationism was and is, just as segregation and desegregation was, and just as much as war and peace was, is, and forever will be.

Vote however you want. But analyze the pros and cons of your choice. Don't go just on what's being said on TV. Both sides are deliberately pushing agenda, either by overstating or understating potential concerns. Neither side actually admitting what they ALREADY know, because they have smart people running their campaigns: That gay marriage and relationships will be discussed in the majority of schools for years to come, just as much as slavery, and Supreme Court cases involving abortion, freedom of expression, etc. etc. etc. I hope your expectations aren't more than what can reasonably be expected. For your sake, and the sake of your fellow Mainers.

Again, I voted no. Do not repeal the law. It was passed by a majority of people that the majority of Maine elected. The law does not affect me one bit. There are far worse things in society than the mere thought, or sight, of two men or women kissing in public, or showing some kind of public display of affection. I am not going to limit another person's liberties just because it inconveniences me, without actually having an effect on me.

Sean Stackhouse.

ANONON THE ONLY ONES GIVING MISINFORMATION IS THE NO SIDE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ A EMAIL I GOT FROM THEM WITH FACTS THEY STATED LEAVE YOUR EMAIL HERE AND ILL SEND IT TO YOU QUITE INTERESTING OR CAN WE SAY U SKEERED

Well I can't prove all the facts, to much work. Here is one for you to start with. I cut and paste it from another post I did that nobody replied to. So, it might not make sense right off. Ya, they always say that these laws will not be pushed on or taught to our kids in schools. Why was there a lawsuit filed sept. 3 2009 against school districts, by parents. The school districts had a mandatory class for children starting at the kindergarten level. The classes were about teaching all kids at the elementary level about gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender alternative families. The parents were refused the right to excuse their kids from the class. This class was protected under the law and is mandatory. The people that came up with this class argue that it's to prevent sexual discrimination. It's a great loophole. I don't care who you are, try to argue that this story is false. It is true. All you have to do is google it. It takes place at Alameda Unified School District, check it out. They also say that these classes are coming to mass. and maine soon. My child does not need to be taught that.

correction... I said town, I obviously meant state.

Mainer72...I have a better idea....prove all us No on 1 people wrong and post the email you "received" with all the "misinformation" from the No side.

william- http://www.insidebayarea.com/search/ci_13169362?IADID=Search-www.insidebayarea.com-www.insidebayarea.com Left wing site

Will not post on here jd, anyone that wants it send me a email or call my office with your email addy and ill forward it. Does the Name Darlene Huntress campaign manager sound familiar. Well tell her to quit spreading lies.

Vote Yes on #1

It took a while to find the website but have fun. Unless the local left paper is lying too.

tanker99....lets try to read each others posts....

On 10/15/09 at 8:08 PM, JD2008 wrote:

tanker99...well here is your opportunity to point out, with facts that the add featuring the Massachusetts couple is completely accurate and has not been manipulated to fit the Yes on1 cause. The ball, as they say is firmly in your court.

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I want someone to prove to me that the political ad with the "teacher from Ellsworth" and the "couple for Massachusetts" is accurate and has not been manipulated to fit the Yes on 1 cause.

On 10/15/09 at 8:23 PM, Mainer72 wrote:

Will not post on here jd, anyone that wants it send me a email or call my office with your email addy and ill forward it. Does the Name Darlene Huntress campaign manager sound familiar. Well tell her to quit spreading lies.

Vote Yes on #1

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"Will not post on here jd, anyone that wants it send me a email or call my office with your email addy and ill forward it." Hard to "call" your office Mainer72 if we do not know who you are.

"Does the Name Darlene Huntress campaign manager sound familiar.(?)". No, the name is not familiar to me at all.

"Well tell her to quit spreading lies." Why not post the email and be done with it? What are you afraid of?

JD2008...Prove my post is inaccurate, I was told that teaching in school won't happen and that's what the Californians were told also. I gave you something to look at, but now you want me to prove every commercial.

8:12 PM, Mainer72, lol are you kidding? You are, right? Leave an email address here? LO f'n L

If the referendum fails and the law stands, why wouldn't gay marriage be taught in schools? It's the law of the land.

Homosexuals see their lives as normal and want to be accepted as such. If it's the law, it's normal and expected that it would be addressed in school and everywhere else.

William.... you said I'm being manipulated by the religious right. Did you look at the web site? Still no reply to dispute it.

The slippery slope starts with gay marriage. Once that's law, it's all downhill from there.

I for one reject this idea vehemently. And will be voting YES ON 1. To show my support for traditional Maine families and their children.

Let's take a stand for Maine and our Families. VOTE YES ON 1, IN NOVEMBER

The teacher in that ad teaches in a Christian school. The couple from MA are members of an anti-gay hate group. Tedlick knows the name of that group and has posted it's website. The Southern Poverty Law Center exposed them. Do a search on Southern Poverty Law Center.

Our founding fathers built this nation on the solid bedrock of our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. Extension of rights and equal treatment under the law have strengthened that foundation over our nation's history.

People who live in fear of a slippery slope fail to move to the better society our founding fathers intended.

Vote NO on 1, our ideals are not so unstable as to slip away when we open our hearts to include more families into society's legal protections.

SinCity.... Maybe you know, why I can't get replies about the facts I present?

around a dozen or so comments so far and no scathing rebuttal to one point I made. I have an ego, surely somewhat wants to take a shot at reducing it in size.

...you can start by pointing out I can't type. someone* not somewhat -_-

It might not be in this years school agenda, but it will be in next year's agenda if the no voters win.

tanker99...I never asked you to prove anything about California. I have been very consistent and on point regarding the ad currently being run by the Yes on 1. How is that an accurate representation of what occurred in Massachusetts.

To be fair, I am looking at the article and also am attempting to looking at the Grade 4 Teacher Package from the caring School Community website - http://devstu.org/page/p-teachers-package

Now I have been polite and I have not called anyone any names but it is rather disturbing that while I am reviewing the info you put up here tanker99 you will not address my questions.

Who cares what they do in California and who knows how accurate that story is? If you have an issue with what's taught in school, take it up with the school. Find another reason to deny gay couples rights you have.

What really is happening in California is that proposition 8 is going to their supreme court in January, and will be ruled unconstitutional.

Vote NO on ONE

EJParsons, if you are concerned about this you should work in your community to set the educational curriculum. In Maine, we allow communities to set their own educational agendas, and parents can withdraw their children out of discussions of sexuality.

Vote NO on 1, because this referendum does not even prevent what you are saying you are concerned about.

EJParsons...they hysteria is amazing

tander99...You are putting up a good battle brother. I have to wonder though, what is our commitment to God, Country and its citizins. You have absolutely earned your right to express your opinion above and beyond that post here. No matter where in the world you find yourself. Now it seems you do not like gays, well lets not address that right now. Lets talk about what you fought for and the suffering you have observed with your brothers. I`m pretty sure you fought side by side with some gays. I wouldn`t know if you knew or not. You know that what will be will be no matter how hard you prayed for your fellow Troopers.

Well lets look at what will be will be as far as school goes. Unless gays just somehow suddenly disappear what are we to do. What will be will be in school. We are not going to be able to stop what are kids are doing, no more then when our parents said don`t have sex until you are more mature. Like right that stopped us didn`t it. The kids are going to do what they want to do even if you assign a 1-1 to stay with them all thru the school day. Again what will be will be. Dang the norms of society are changing. Do you remember how the country reacted to this new generation wearing hats in public places or even worse whatever statement they are making wearing them backwards. Took me awhile to get over that one. What will be will be.

Only you can decide how your going to treat the citizens that you gave so much for. I am still so proud of myself when my high school decided to take our legal smoking area away from me in my junior year. I was one of only four studenst that got expelled for a few days. Nothing to what I experience when I got home. Talk about a whoppin. Did it stop us from smoking at school, no, we just brought it into the bathrooms with a guard posted so they couldn`t prove nothing could they. Be cool brother and enjoy live, I hear the beautiful state of California is having some major issues. God Speed With That and you.

NEV 67-72

JD2008....To be fair, I'm sorry I didn't ask your permission about researching California, That's the fact I wanted to present, I didn't know I had to disprove every claim from every state. I don't even know what was said on the advertisement, so I am having a hard time to disprove your claim, but I posted my claim on 10/08/09 at 2:54 PM. People said there was no facts about it being taught in school and I'm going on the 8 days now since I posted a fact and still no replies.

What of course the Attorney General leaves out is that although the law would not mandate that schools teach such concepts as ‘Johnny has two daddies,’ when a school district chose to teach such, or a person or organization filed suit demanding that such be taught the presence or absence of a same sex marriage law would very much influence the outcome.

The Attorney General is at best being disingenuous.

Therefore in that sense I would agree with arwen10, ChaosTheory, Sledman and Tanker99.

The precedent of Parker v. Hurley, 514 F.3d 87 (1st Cir. 2008) should also be kept in mind as to children and schools deciding to teach "Two Kings" and similar "feel good" material.

ConvivialVisits - Schools can set their agendas, but the state and the NEA overrule anything the schools put in or decide to leave out. And everyone knows the NEA is super liberal. It will come, one piece at a time.

tanker

they deny the truth to not only themselves but others.

I will be teaching as many children as I can the truth about homosexuality.

I've also managed to secure 4 more votes for the YES side today at the grocery store.

The low moral standards of homosexuals in Maine will not permeate our traditional families and our good schools. We will make that clear in a few days. Then there won't be so much to talk about. We'll just continue on with our daily routine, without facing this ridiculous rhetoric constantly reported on in our news and media outlets.

I can't wait for that day to come.

Thanks Electra.... I don't hate gays, I actually have relatives and friends that are gay, but I do hate the double standard.

On 10/15/09 at 8:48 PM, WilliamDS wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

Who cares what they do in California and who knows how accurate that story is? If you have an issue with what's taught in school, take it up with the school. Find another reason to deny gay couples rights you have.

What really is happening in California is that proposition 8 is going to their supreme court in January, and will be ruled unconstitutional.

YOU MEAN JUST LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO WIN THE VOTE IN A FEW DAYS HERE?

PIPE DREAM MUCH?

WilliamDS says that he does not care what they do in Massachusetts or California. However there are a few problems with this: we are also part of the First Circuit, and it is naive not to believe that the first circuit takes notice of what happens in the ninth circuit.

EJParsons— my point is that whether it comes or not is unrelated to the referendum being voted on. Why not gather signatures to outlaw the teaching of gay marriage, if that is really the concern here?

Please, consider voting NO on 1 because it's the right thing to do for people living among you NOW, and you can fight the battle over what is taught in schools if that becomes an issue.

Discrimination against gays is already illegal in Maine, and tolerance is being taught in Maine schools. That's a good thing. I am straight, catholic, and monogamous. I see nothing wrong with people who are gay. The slippery slope argument is made by people who are uncomfortable with gay people. Allowing gay people to marry does not in any way affect straight couples. They are still allowed to marry, they are still granted all the legal rights of that marriage, and they are still allowed to teach their children whatever they want, whether I like it or not.

NO on 1

DavidReed I am a woman, I was personally in the classroom as the teacher was handing out the bananas and the condoms to the fifth graders. They then got to take a huge stack of condoms home with them, which there were plenty of very irate parents in the principals office the next day. Don't tell me I do not know what is being taught in the schools. I know very well.

Did anyone actually think this liberal woman was going to conclude anything different? what a joke.

arwen10

they will lie to you until their faces turn blue.

we know better, that's why we will be voting YES ON 1!

Sundaychild

"The district court Judge Mark L. Wolf, who was appointed to the bench by President Ronald Reagan, held that:

Parents do have a fundamental right to raise their children. They are not required to abandon that responsibility to the state. The Parkers and Wirthlins may send their children to a private school that does not seek to foster understandings of homosexuality or same-sex marriage that conflict with their religious beliefs. They may also educate their children at home. In addition, the plaintiffs may attempt to persuade others to join them in electing a Lexington School Committee that will implement a curriculum that is more compatible with their beliefs. However, the Parkers and Wirthlins have chosen to send their children to the Lexington public schools with its current curriculum. The Constitution does not permit them to prescribe what those children will be taught.

It should also be recognized that while the Constitution does not compel the defendants to revise the Lexington elementary school curriculum, onto permit the Parkers and Wirthlins to exempt their children from teaching about homosexuality or same-sex marriage, it also does not prohibit the defendants from voluntarily accommodating the parents' concerns if there is a reasonable way to do so. Finding a reasonable accommodation may be a challenging task. Allowing parents to exempt their children from classes primarily involving human sexual education may not injure the value of those classes for the students who remain. However, as Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote in his journal, "'I pay the school master, but 'tis the school boys that educate my son.'" James 0. Freedman, Idealism and Liberal Education 63 (1999). An exodus from class when issues of homosexuality or same-sex marriage are to be discussed could send the message that gays, lesbians, and the children of same-sex parents are inferior and, therefore, have a damaging effect on those students. Cf. Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483, 494, 74 S. Ct. 686, 98 L. Ed. 873 (1954).[1] It might also undermine the defendants' efforts to educate the remaining other students to understand and respect differences in sexual orientation."

The above quotation was taken from http://www.conservapedia.com/Parker_v._Hurley and sheds some light on the case in Massachusetts. It is not exactly as presented on the Yes on 1 commercial.

The parents were given the following options

1) The parents "may send their children to a private school that does not seek to foster understandings of homosexuality or same-sex marriage that conflict with their religious beliefs."

2) The parents "may also educate their children at home."

3) The parents "may attempt to persuade others to join them in electing a Lexington School Committee that will implement a curriculum that is more compatible with their beliefs."

So I answered my own question on the Yes on 1 commercial...it is not completely accurate in its depiction of the events in Massachusetts.

There is unquestionable indoctrination occurring. Read through the comments section and count aloud to yourself, readers, how many posts serve but one purpose: to claim the other side is lying and not even presenting anything with merit (some do, a rare few.)

Both sides sound like a north korean citizen would if told kim jong il is not god.

SinCity...if you are as aggressive in the grocery store and the state fair as you are on here, they may have told you what you wanted to hear so you would leave them alone. Besides, unless you are going to be in the voting booth with each person your have "secured" a Yes on 1 vote you will not know how they actually voted.

No public school curriculum will ever include any kind of marriage...be it heterosexual or homosexual. Even the lawsuits used by the Yes crowd are not even cases about schools teaching same sex marriage. Individual teachers occasionally read stories that have characters that would usually be one male and one female as two males or two females. Those books aren't even specific. The basic message of them are that sometimes a kingdom could have two kings instead of a king and a queen or two queens instead of a king and queen. Most kids won't even think much about it. Regardless of whether the law stands or is overturned it won't change the fact that once in awhile a teacher will read one of those books to their class. In fact, if the yes votes win this kind of thing will actually happen even more often than it already does. One teacher reading a book is NOT part of the curriculum. The curriculum would be "reading books in class". The teachers get to pick one. Some school libraries and probably all public libraries have these kinds of books because those kids being raised by same sex couples should have access to stories that represents what their family looks like.

If there were a lawsuit in Maine now like the one in MA., the parents would also lose...even if the Yes vote wins those parents would STILL lose one of those lawsuits. The ONLY recourse would be to go to the school board. That is how it is, period. Now, if the Yes crowd had just left well enough alone and not threw a fit over the law the chances of books like this being read to Maine school kids would be quite low. However, now that they opened up the can of worms and stirred up all the arguing they probably will end up causing a self-fulfilling prophecy. I can't help but smirk at the irony of that. I have already talked to my 9 year old about same sex marriage. All she knows about marriage is that it's when two parents live together in the family, have the same last name and they work together to take care of their family and that they all love each other. Maybe the real problem is that the adults aren't looking at this issue in the same way a little kid would. They are looking at it as adults and assuming that kids would be thinking about sex instead of being parents when thinking about an innocent children's book.

JD

tell yourself whatever you want.

you can't minimize me. we've already won.

the people i talked to today were on the fence. as soon as i brought up the chance that our children would be forced fed homosexual education eventually because of this law, these people (younger adults) changed their tune and their minds in a hurry.

just goes to show you how misinformed a lot of people are on this law.

I have not been taken to task on one remark I've made so far. Just gloating on my track record so far tonight. I like to gloat.

Tanker99...Right back at you Bro...I was out to California on a cross country motorcycle ride with my wife in 05. Thought we were going to die crossing the death valley in mid june between 9am and 3pm. I had always thought that the Park/info center was our life safer as my wife had a moderate case of dehydration. A park EMT that we had passed going west had turned around and caught up with us at the info station. He had radioed ahead to inform the staff that we might be int trouble. I will never forget what happened that day. Do people really respect bikers. Well we have come along way baby, to the point that it never stops amazing me how kind people are when we are traveling. We have had people like when we were in all the interchanges in Albany, NY and there was a sudden down pour that I had missed judged. The I couldn`t nothin not even enough to pull over as we were in the thru lanes. Well all you can do to try to stay with the traffic so you don`t get run over is put you flashers on and pray to God that you do not make any stupid mistakes and no one else does. Shortly after putting on the flasher all of a sudden this white blaser pulled safely in front of us, put his flasher on. Then another vehicle came up safely enough so no one could squeeze between us and put his flasher on. Freakin unbelieveable. It was one of those quick t-storms and by the time we all got to the other side of Albany I pulled up beside the white blazer and my wife dang near jumped off the bike. The other care pulled up along side and waved and just took off. The blazer took off and you know what I mean when I say that made our day. Just a couple of things I will never forget how good our citizens can be. I got your back on the East Coast Bro as I`m sure you got the West Coast Covered for me. Again God Bless America and all it stands for.

On 10/15/09 at 9:35 PM, Centaurmyst wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

No public school curriculum will ever include any kind of marriage...be it heterosexual or homosexual. Even the lawsuits used by the Yes crowd are not even cases about schools teaching same sex marriage

WE KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS THEY'LL BE FREE TO TEACH HOMOSEXUALITY AS A NORMAL ACTIVITY.

WE DON'T WANT THAT. MUCH LESS OUR KIDS BEING TOUGHT ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE.

SinCity...am I correct that you have stated here on these electronic pages multiple times that our children should be raised in a household with a mother and a father and that anything else is wrong?

Mainer72 wrote: " Anonon im not sure if it was you or aionca that said that you had this wrapped iwth your fingers tied that the no side would win. How do you know that or whoever said it lol its not even election time."

Nope, Wasn't me.

I feel so sorry for any children the poster at 9:02 will "teach." I doubt he/she will have much impact anyway; not if he/she sounds like he/she does on here.

JD2008: What are you saying at 8:53 PM....I 'm not sure.

JD

the old bait and switch again hah?

ok, i'll bite, yeah, i've said here many times that i believe only traditional families should raise children.

so?

SinCity...they are free to teach that now if they want to. This law won't change that. It doesn't matter what you want...you are completely powerless over what schools teach. As someone else mentioned...it's part of a historical political battle just like desegregation and women's rights. Again...same sex marriage, be it legal or not will have ZERO impact on that fact.

As for what is normal and what isn't...

Most people are right handed and that is considered to be normal because the majority of people are made right handed.

Some people are left handed and that is considered to be abnormal because only a small percentage of people are made left handed.

Do we ban our southpawed citizens of rights, protections and responsibilities just because they are left-handed?

When they are little their parents assume that they are right handed and usually push them to use their right hand. Those kids will try very hard to please their parents and other people around them by using their right hand but it feels really awkward and uncomfortable and they really aren't good at being right handed at all. Eventually they stop trying to be right handed because God made them a bit different, and they just use their left hand and be themselves.

Homosexuality is just like being left handed. They are just wired a bit differently and despite trying very hard to meet the expectations of everyone around them...it's awkward, uncomfortable, feels wrong and eventually they learn to accept themselves as they are and just be themselves. Sure, homosexual people don't fit YOUR image of what is "normal" but frankly, what is "normal" is all relative and open to perception. For example, I consider myself to be a very healthy, normal, wise and well-adjusted person. To me, much of what I read you and a few others in the Yes camp sound absolutely certifiable. I'm not trying to be rude or insulting...I'm simply being honest and real with you. I'm a very fair person who always does my very best to see both sides of any argument. I'm not a homosexual and have nothing at all to gain personally either way from this vote. I've listed some very specific, rational and logical reasons why same sex marriage would be a very positive thing for the state of Maine. No one has been able to effectively counter my arguments in support of same sex marriage. I'll list them again...

1. Allowing same sex marriage makes both same sex parents legally responsible for providing financial support and medical coverage for the children they parent. Without legalized same sex marriage there are children who CANNOT collect child support or get medical coverage when one of their same sex parent abandons them. That is NOT okay. The state often picks up the bill for that, which costs tax dollars. Why should you and I be paying to support the children adopted, born through artificial insemination or surrogacy to same sex couples when one walks away? Shouldn't that parent be held responsible? I think they should.

2. Legalizing same sex marriage is GOOD for a state's economy. Weddings are not very cheap. Many services are utilized in order to put on a wedding. Just think of how much money would be pumped into those local, family owned businesses in the state from allowing an entire group of couples the right to finally legally marry. Maine is a tourist state. It's beautiful here. Destination weddings are big right now. For those who don't know what that is...it's basically taking a vacation with a large group of family and friends to another location to have a wedding. Just think of all the same sex couples who will choose to come to Vacationland on a trip to get married and inject tons of money into our struggling economy! And the new business opportunity is incredible! A lot of churches won't marry same sex couples, so smart entrepreneurs can buy a big house, convert it to a bed and breakfast or lodge, put in facilities to hold marraiges, cater them and have receptions and rooms packages and make a bloody fortune.

3. Anytime society promotes monogamy in a legally bound committed relationship it is good for society because it reduces promiscuity. That means a reduction in the spread of STDS such as HIV/AIDS. Certainly everyone supports the idea of reducing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases...correct?

Vote NO on 1...it's in the BEST interest of Maine.

Sean Stackhouse: Always appreciate your comments. It appears that some that may have been on the fence about how they would vote, have gotten so turned off and digusted by the lies and distortions of the ads for the YES side, that the vote NO on 1 side has benefitted even more.

I, too, have already voted. I voted No on 1.

On 10/15/09 at 10:22 PM, Centaurmyst wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

SinCity...they are free to teach that now if they want to. This law won't change that. It doesn't matter what you want...you are completely powerless over what schools teach. As someone else mentioned...it's part of a historical political battle just like desegregation and women's rights. Again...same sex marriage, be it legal or not will have ZERO impact on that fact.

As for what is normal and what isn't...

Most people are right handed and that is considered to be normal because the majority of people are made right handed.

Some people are left handed and that is considered to be abnormal because only a small percentage of people are made left handed.

Do we ban our southpawed citizens of rights, protections and responsibilities just because they are left-handed?

When they are little their parents assume that they are right handed and usually push them to use their right hand. Those kids will try very hard to please their parents and other people around them by using their right hand but it feels really awkward and uncomfortable and they really aren't good at being right handed at all. Eventually they stop trying to be right handed because God made them a bit different, and they just use their left hand and be themselves.

Homosexuality is just like being left handed. They are just wired a bit differently and despite trying very hard to meet the expectations of everyone around them...it's awkward, uncomfortable, feels wrong and eventually they learn to accept themselves as they are and just be themselves. Sure, homosexual people don't fit YOUR image of what is "normal" but frankly, what is "normal" is all relative and open to perception. For example, I consider myself to be a very healthy, normal, wise and well-adjusted person. To me, much of what I read you and a few others in the Yes camp sound absolutely certifiable. I'm not trying to be rude or insulting...I'm simply being honest and real with you. I'm a very fair person who always does my very best to see both sides of any argument. I'm not a homosexual and have nothing at all to gain personally either way from this vote. I've listed some very specific, rational and logical reasons why same sex marriage would be a very positive thing for the state of Maine. No one has been able to effectively counter my arguments in support of same sex marriage. I'll list them again...

1. Allowing same sex marriage makes both same sex parents legally responsible for providing financial support and medical coverage for the children they parent. Without legalized same sex marriage there are children who CANNOT collect child support or get medical coverage when one of their same sex parent abandons them. That is NOT okay. The state often picks up the bill for that, which costs tax dollars. Why should you and I be paying to support the children adopted, born through artificial insemination or surrogacy to same sex couples when one walks away? Shouldn't that parent be held responsible? I think they should.

2. Legalizing same sex marriage is GOOD for a state's economy. Weddings are not very cheap. Many services are utilized in order to put on a wedding. Just think of how much money would be pumped into those local, family owned businesses in the state from allowing an entire group of couples the right to finally legally marry. Maine is a tourist state. It's beautiful here. Destination weddings are big right now. For those who don't know what that is...it's basically taking a vacation with a large group of family and friends to another location to have a wedding. Just think of all the same sex couples who will choose to come to Vacationland on a trip to get married and inject tons of money into our struggling economy! And the new business opportunity is incredible! A lot of churches won't marry same sex couples, so smart entrepreneurs can buy a big house, convert it to a bed and breakfast or lodge, put in facilities to hold marraiges, cater them and have receptions and rooms packages and make a bloody fortune.

3. Anytime society promotes monogamy in a legally bound committed relationship it is good for society because it reduces promiscuity. That means a reduction in the spread of STDS such as HIV/AIDS. Certainly everyone supports the idea of reducing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases...correct?

Vote NO on 1...it's in the BEST interest of Maine.

MORE PSYCHOBABBLE, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALS. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK MORALS ARE JUST RELATIVE AND OPEN TO PERCEPTION?

AND YOU THINK THIS IS THE TYPE OF THINKING WE WANT OUR CHILDREN INDOCTRINATED WITH?

THE LEFT HANDED COMPARISON IS A STRETCH AT BEST. HARDLY EVEN WORTH MENTIONING WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING A PHSYICAL TRAIT WITH IMMORAL BEHAVIOUR, ANY FOOL CAN SEE THAT.

PROMOTING ANY KIND OF IMMORAL BEHAVIOUR IN OUR SOCIETY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

REMEMBER, THIS VOTE COMES DOWN TO MORALS, THE HIGHEST OF WHICH ARE MAINTAINED BY THOSE WHO REJECT HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITY FOR THE UNNATURAL DEGRADING ACT TO HUMANITY THAT IT IS.

THAT'S WHY THE YES VOTE WILL WIN IN A FEW DAYS. PERIOD.

SinCity...no bait and switch...just confirming.

So, are a single man or a single woman capable of raising children or do they need a partner of the opposite sex to raise them properly?

Today we have more proof that there is no agenda for gay education in our schools, yet still the "Yes" folks continue to tilt at windmills.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.....

SinCity...there was a point in time where left handed people were forced to use there right hand to write with because it wasn't "normal". My grandmother was "left" handed and was forced to learn to write with her right hand when she was in school.

there's the "indoctrination" claims again. And again, my streak of gloating and singing self-praise continues.

PS: thanks cher - I get it right every couple of months ^__^

Homosexuality will be "taught" in schools the same way being black is "taught", the same way being European is "taught". "These types of people exist and deserve to be treated with the same respect as anybody else". If you believe voting Yes will stop this, you are wrong. Its already a part of any "diversity" course. "They" exist, and no amount of trying to deny them equality or rights are going to make them dissappear. Much to the dismay of many, homosexuals are not going to return to "their closets". They are a part of our society, deserving of recognition as much as anybody. Nobody says you have to like them, just tolorate them and accept the fact that they exist. And, to top it off, the children of Same Sex couples WILL be attending public schools (as is their right). These children deserve the same respect and protections as any child.

Centaurmyst: My oldest son is left-handed.....and I never tried to change that....nor did any of his teachers that I am aware of. He is very smart and very successful, as are/were tons of left handed people including Presidents and others. But, I got your point.

And if any of my children had happened to be gay , I sure would not have done anything different. They would still be my children as much if they were some other orientation. Maybe only a mother can understand that fully! (but I am sure most fathers can too.)

cher...some on the Yes side claim that if we allow gay people to marry they will raise their children to be gay also. If being gay is a "learned" behavior as some claim. How is it heterosexual couples raise children that are gay? Who did they "learn" it from?

JD

had you pegged before you asked it. you're too easy my friend.

let me lay this out crystal clear for you. when a man and a woman decide to get married they are supposed to stay married for the remainder of their lives. now obviously we know that in certain circumstances this does not occur.

the moral responsibilities of marriage are often taken lightly by the participants. well, I think you and I both know they should not be. it's extremely unfortunate that parents are forced in some circumstances to divorce, some for very good reasons some for not so good.

in the meantime what was supposed to be created as an ultimate act of love, (enter child) is often caught in the middle of an ill fated situation out of his or her control.

unfortunately that is part of marriage and divorce in this day and age. and the children usually suffer the most for the irresponsible or selfish actions of their supposedly loving and committed parents.

single parents are harnessed with a heavy burden raising a children by themselves. and if you ask a child would he or she rather have a mom and a dad complete I think you know what kind of answer you will get.

you are headed down the wrong road with me if you think you can prove a point with this approach.

the intentions of a mother and a father for marriage and children are usually noble. if divorces were made a little less accessible I think many families could work through their problems and in turn prevent their children from enduring the pain of a divorce.

some situations cannot be ended any other way, abusive relationships aren't good for anyone in them, especially the children exposed to them.

the intrinsic value here is marriage between a mother and a father, and an act of love that produces the greatest gift given to us.

if carried out from beginning to end with committment, love and fortitude this can be the ultimate reward for our time here on earth.

the intentions of gay lovers are never to be compared to that of a loving heterosexual married couple, they are not even considered to be in the same dimension. nothing good can come from gay sex or gay marriage, it's a self fullfilling, narcissistic way of life that does more harm than good to the people involved.

This bears repeating:

"Our ideals are not so unstable as to slip away when we open our hearts to include more families into society's legal protections." ConvivialVisits.

Also, Maine people for the most part are smart and independent thinkers. They can see through distortions, desperation and lies. They also believe in letting people live their lives in peace and privacy. They do not believe in butting into others' business. People here, for the most part, figure things out for themselves and make their own decisions. They respect others' to do the same.

Vote NO on 1.

A child is "the ultimate act of love" ?

What planet are YOU living on ?

Vote "NO on 1" ~ Because an "ultimate act of love" isn't defined by people who live on planet koo-koo !

David Reed that is true..they also used cocumbers. Kids were shown this years ago without parents knowledge. And it wasn't done by teachers it was taught by organizations such as Planned Parenthood. I wouldn't be surprised if schools are forced to participate to get federal grants or state grants. One time the kids had gone on a field trip to a university and had to sign up for different workshops. My child was placed in an alternative life style workshop when he hadn't wanted to attend and I had not signed the permission slip for it.

SinCity says : "The intentions of gay lovers are never to be compared to that of a loving heterosexual married couple, they are not even considered to be in the same dimension. nothing good can come from gay sex or gay marriage, it's a self fullfilling, narcissistic way of life that does more harm than good to the people involved."

Vote "NO on 1" ~ least you let mean-spirited, bigoted, and wicked people like the one above define your relationships FOR you !

Oh this one's like low-hanging fruit.

Who creates these moral standards, SinCity? I'm intrigued because unlike Moses I'm not privy to these VIP memos.

JD2008, not really sure how you think the case is being misrepresented.

The bottom line is that this is going to appear in our schools as it has in Massachusetts. Parents are going to be faced with the choice of withdrawing their children - while of course continuing to pay taxes to support the schools, or have their children taught that behaviour they consider imoral is acceptable. The presence or absence of this law will affect lawsuits regarding such issues.

still no reply?

Oh I am just so transparent SinCity....I got the exact answer I expected....but you forgot one segment of the single parent....those which were never married to begin with....I still think you are channeling forHIMtoday with some of your unique wording.

"you're too easy my friend."

"moral responsibilities of marriage are often taken lightly by the participants"

"intrinsic value"

"ultimate reward for our time here on earth."

"narcissistic way"

are all words I have heard forHIMtoday use before on these pages. So very strange.

SinCity Says : "single parents are harnessed with a heavy burden raising a children by themselves. and if you ask a child would he or she rather have a mom and a dad complete I think you know what kind of answer you will get."

Really ? You know as much about children of single parents as you do of same-sex couples. A child that has never know it's father doesn't necessarily miss his/her father; my niece doesn't want anything to DO with her biological father, since he was never there for her throughout her childhood and didn't want a relationship with her until he discovered his own pending mortality.

You have no clue as to what the real world is like, obviously you've led a very insular and sheltered life.

Vote "NO on 1" ~ because the real world is much mroe rich and varied than the people who would have you believe their simpleton answers apply to everybody.

JD2208: "dead wrong"...."nice try", etc etc etc.

I'm a single father with full custodyand the mother has not seen her in 2 years, I guess I must have all the answers too.

JD : Wow, good observation. And somehow not surprising at all.

tanker99...I searched the web for citations of the 9th lesson in California and having found none, I can neither prove nor disprove if what you posted is true. I would think that if the 9th lesson was a "bad" as the article you posted said it was, I could have found some reference to the objectionable mat

tanker99...I searched the web for citations of the 9th lesson in California and having found none, I can neither prove nor disprove if what you posted is true. I would think that if the 9th lesson was a "bad" as the article you posted said it was, I could have found some reference to the objectionable material on line. But no information could be found.

I forgot to add this.

A child would be much better off being raised by a single parent, than by two homosexual parents, under any circumstances.

imagine the ridicule he or she will have to suffer throughout his or her life.

I can't even fathom the idea of putting a child in that position.

All for the selfish satisfaction of two homosexuals.

They have no idea what they are doing. They have no idea what they are up against.

It's not hard to find, I put a link to it. I can't do it for you. Try a little bit.

SinCity you're an amazing dancer. That sidestep you've got going on is outstanding.

Does... Anybody actually have a counter to anything I've said? I mean, it's 11:15PM catch me while I'm tired it's your best chance.

11:02 PM That's a good one!

JD: re 10:45 It is illogical, irrational, unbelievable. Being homosexual is not a choice. Homosexual people know this. As if anyone would choose an identity or orientation that brings such comments as we hear on here?!! No, don't think so!

Can you even imagine thinking that homosexuals raise their children to be gay......to be anything other than what they are already? It is inconceivable.

aionca

i know divorce well.

you know nothing of me.

your name calling will only get you so far.

i will let the vote do my talking for me.

and then i will gloat, SEADOG!

pound sand.

Sundaychild...the commercial I heard state "liberal" courts (or may have been judges). The judge which heard the case and issued the decision was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

The court provide options for the parents. They chose not to avail themselves of them.

None of this was listed in the commercial. It was presented as; we don't want this taught, the court said we had no rights, end of story. That's a piece of the story and not the whole story. It was incomplete at best.

Also, the tax issue is really something that you should not hang your hat on. I paid my taxes while my daughter was in school, public and private and now that she is on her on, I continue to pay my taxes so other parents can send their children to school. If you want a break on your taxes because you decide to pull your child from school, then I want one too.

chersully2000

i can only imagine what kind of morals your children and grandchildren exhibit.

with an influence like you in their lives, i would be willing to bet they are on the lower end of the totem pole, if you know what I mean.

your little jabs here and there don't go unnoticed. so don't be surprised when they come back to you.

ta, ta, chersully.

JD

channeling? o.k. if you say so.

you're forgetting one little thing. the meaning of marriage and why it's perpetuated on a man and a woman.

there should be no single mothers.

their reasons for having a child are ill founded and corrupt.

a lot like the way you think.

very plain to see.

tanker99...I was on the actual site of the group that publishes the material...if you want to prove it put it up here for all to see...I will check back in the morning to see if you have...night all!

The slippery slope starts with gay marriage. Once that's law, it's all downhill from there.

I for one reject this idea vehemently. And will be voting YES ON 1. To show my support for traditional Maine families and their children.

Let's take a stand for Maine and our Families. VOTE YES ON 1, IN NOVEMBER

SinCity....name calling how forHIMtoday like.

You really need to try and stop channeling....it is not flattering.

The slippery slope starts with gay marriage. Once that's law, it's all downhill from there.

I for one reject this idea vehemently. And will be voting YES ON 1. To show my support for traditional Maine families and their children.

Let's take a stand for Maine and our Families. VOTE YES ON 1, IN NOVEMBER

This site is the lesson plan for California for safe school community lesson 9 its a gay site, it even has rainbows-http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/RG-lessonplans.html

P.S. I recommend everybody thats not sure if they will teach in schools to look at this-http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/RG-lessonplans.html

http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/RG-lessonplans.html

Oh, now we should not "threaten".

SeaDogsFan: What do you mean "a counter to what you said"? To which remark to you allude to? I voted NO on 1. so you sure do not have to convince me, but maybe you mean something else.

The rain is Spain: the leaves on West Broadway......

On 10/15/09 at 10:59 PM, AionCA wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

A child is "the ultimate act of love" ?

What planet are YOU living on ?

Vote "NO on 1" ~ Because an "ultimate act of love" isn't defined by people who live on planet koo-koo !

PROOF OF THE FACT THAT HOMOSEXUALS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS DEVALUE THE LIFE OF A CHILD AND IT'S MEANING.

VERY WELL PUT AIONCA. I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER MYSELF.

JD: How astute you are. re 11:25

And you have the link you requested from tanker99

and now the spamming out of desperation begins. Sounds like what I hear/see on radio & TV. The same thing... Over and over... Never listening to reason on either side... fear-mongering, pity-pandering... Is there a debate scheduled anywhere? I wanna see people squirm.

Re 11:19 And I would be careful with remarks like that .....very careful.......just keep it up and you may be out of here....as you were before...big____

Ta, ta.....

cher: Just looking for ANYONE on either side who takes issue with and can refute anything I've posted. I know damn well I'm not perfect as much as I'd like think I am. =\

But, nobody, even those voting yes, have actually taken me to task on anything. Was I... 100% right? Will they admit it? o_o Am I just damn awesome? I dunno. I know you think I'm right so you get a cookie :p

SeaDogsFan: There were some people on earlier stating their stance coherently and seriously....ConvivialVisits, WilliamDS, JD2008,etc.

As I said earlier, there are some on here (and you can see for yourself) that only do their side a disservice. Hysteria, scare tactics, insults bullying.....pathetic, isn't it, when that is the "ammunition" you've got. Who would want to stand with those kind of people?

I say proudly.....I voted No on 1.

SeaDogsFan.... I hate to burst your bubble, but did you read your own post? You forgot to ask a question. You just rambled on about Christopher Columbus.

SeaDogsFan: Thanks for the cookie. I think most on here have retired for the night. It will all start again here tomorrow, I am sure. But not too many more weeks, and the voting will be over. Hoping for the best.....

NO on 1.

Yep, there are some pointing out their beliefs in a mature way. Still, none have actually said I'm wrong especially on the Yes side, except sincity and we know how that's going for him. The ones you mentioned all seem to be voting the same way I did, for almost the same reason. *shrug*

chersully2000

your interpretation of my post is about as far off as your interpretation of what the meaning of marriage is..

but keep your little jabs coming, like I said they don't go unnoticed and will be returned in kind.

ta, ta.

tanker99

funny you said that, i couldn't find anything to respond to either.

I know, I can go on about strawberries, but it's hard for somebody to argue against it.

seadogsfan

let's see what the vote brings shall we?

i've been on here too long to hash this out again with another newcomer.

don't bother prodding me.

lol

In that whole big long post I made, you couldn't find anything I said that was wrong. So you admit then that voting yes on 1 to protect children from "being taught gay marriage" is a foolish and unreasonable expectation?

And SinCity, you never responded to the question I DID ask you.

seadogsfan

let's see what the vote brings shall we?

i've been on here too long to hash this out again with another newcomer.

don't bother prodding me.

you want it again?

All I asked was who created these morals you speak of. Didn't realize when I voted yesterday I was also voting on the answer to a question that surely already had an answer. Eh, learn something new every night reading these.

now run along young fella.

On 10/15/09 at 10:59 PM, AionCA wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

A child is "the ultimate act of love" ?

What planet are YOU living on ?

Vote "NO on 1" ~ Because an "ultimate act of love" isn't defined by people who live on planet koo-koo !

PROOF OF THE FACT THAT HOMOSEXUALS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS DEVALUE THE LIFE OF A CHILD AND IT'S MEANING.

VERY WELL PUT AIONCA. I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER MYSELF.

It is idiotic and delusional to refer to a child as "the ultimate act of love".

It just shows how detached from reality you are.

Children are a product of SEX, PERIOD. No love required AT ALL.

That you do not comprehend this comes as no great surprise, everything else you post here just shows how utterly clueless you are about everyting you post about.

Now run along and leave the discussion for the grown-ups, you ahve grown tiresome and everything you post just goes to support the argument that people really NEED to :

Vote "NO on 1"

Because people that lie to you are not to be trusted.

And as for "devaluing the life of a child"

Vote "NO on 1" and show that you value the lives of ALL children, and that it's not OK to drive children to suicide, like SinCity and her little ilk of malignant toadies that do nothing for the good of society at all but misquote scripture and discount reality in favor of their little judgmental dream-world filled with hate and lies and fraud.

AIONCA

my, my, a little testy aren't we? i understand that you're all aware that I speak the truth, hence the namecalling.

what's the matter hunny, can't think of any more reasons to devalue our children? really that's ok. you've done enough.

BTW, such a slanderous comment coming from a stand up individual like yourself?

oh, wait, i forgot. (smile)

AIONCA

just shaking my head and laughing, (or do you even live in maine? )

bwhahahabwahaha!!!!!!!!!

Slanderous ? So sue me !

Your stand has, and will continue to cause, children to suicide.

The blood is on YOUR hands; you are a murderer.

Have a nice time in hell.

tsk, tsk, such endearing comments from a humanitarian like yourself.

i can see why you think a child is worth nothing.

we, on the other hand, tend to value our children and the morals they will live by.

we keep a high standard of morals, unlike you and yours.

hell is a place for sinners, and homosexuals will be first in line. along with their supporters.

you'll have to take your medicine when the time comes. and i have a feeling it will be extremely bitter.

just a hunch. (smile)

Like everything else you've posted here, your hunch is wrong.

Thank you, Maine, for voting "NO on 1", and re-affirming my faith in my home state.

aionca,

just what i figured, you don't even live here.

that was just a hunch too.

looks like i'm good at it.

VOTE NO ON 1. Protect Maine Equality. Send the Mormons and their money packing back to Utah.

VOTE YES ON ! God loves them but He hates, detest their sin! We all sin but He specifically talks about this one so He knows best.

SinCity wrote:" aionca, just what i figured, you don't even live here. that was just a hunch too. looks like i'm good at it."

Unlike you, I never represented myself to be something, and someone, I am not.

AIONCA: Some day all those who smiled and don't know the Lord, will not be smiling! It will be too late, Make the morally right decision now. As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the coming of the Lord. Then there will be no turning back, no second chance.

Aionca

you mean your legal name is AIONCA.

if it's not, you must be misrepresenting something!

DUH?

SinCity, lets see, you were born in the 30s, married in the 50s, your husband served in the Korean War, you have children and grandchildren, you are a widow, you were born in Maine, lived at least part of your life in Nevada (hence SinCity), were employed as a waitress for part of your adult life, moved back to Maine (where a least one of your children lives as you see at least one grandchild), appear to have an active life (golf, fairs, shopping, apple picking etc) and have posted on BDN for a month. Is that correct?

Seeing as you are about the same age as my mother, who has encountered some issues of late with insomnia, I wonder if you also have sleep issues. Just noticing that on this article for instance, you post into the early morning hours (ie around 12AM, 2AM, 3:30AM, 4:30AM). I do hope you get some rest during the day, someone your age (no insult intended) should get some quality sleep for health reasons.

Jack B.

I am a Maine teacher and educator and the MEA has a total LIBERAL agenda and lie through their teeth! I won't even join their organization and would hire my own lawyer if I needed.Many Conservative teachers join their ripoff organization because they are afraid in case they will be sued if something went wrong in their classroom.The NEA and MEA both support the homosexual agenda with teacher's dollars.Of course the LIBERALLY Slanted Bangor Daily Snooze will listen to their lies too.Wake up America!

djmuzx, do you teach in a public school? What grade level? Can you site the "lies" they have perpetrated? Can you site the NEA and MEA statements regarding the support of the "homosexual agenda"? Don't blame you for not joining as they are expensive to join anyway. My sister taught for over 20 years and never joined because of the high cost.

Thanks

Jack B.

thanks jackB.

I actually, have my computer set on "auto-respond"

so I can sleep and post at the same time.

what i'm really wondering is, why do you care?

seems kinda strange to me. what if I've been up nursing a bad hip?

MYOB!

Getting back to the headline:

Children are already indoctrinated on the subjects of race, minorities & diversity.

Under the false guise of inequality, gays WILL demand the subject of homosexuality be 'taught' in school as well.

They will argue to be left out of the curriculum is 'discrimination'.

The AG cannot guarantee the gays won't launch another massive overly funded attack on the shool system.

Protect children, protect marriage, prevent the spread of the delerium disease.

Vote yes on 1.

Vote YES on 1.

SinCity, a little testy this morning? That hip must be really bothering you - probably should see your doctor - no sense losing sleep over it when you might be able to get some medical assistance.

Also, another thing you might want to have checked is your memory function - you repeat yourself (and others) quite a bit. There is medical assistance for that too. And the shouting you've been doing lately (that cap lock button) - you may be having difficulty with your hearing, might want to get that checked too.

P.S. I'll MYOB when you do.

Jack B.

No problem free2 be.Yes ,it is expensive too! Here is one of many articles that the NEA supports and the MEA supports them too. http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.aspx?id=603580

thankgod my kids are through school now, their kids are starting school, if i ever thought for one moment gay anything was taught, they.d be home schooled, vote yes on 1

The answer may be to ban Marrige altogrther, I mean all marrige, prohibit people from getting married and it will cut down on cases of adultry. Divorce rates will be lowered, and it should help the government collect taxes, because everyone will have to file single.

This is very fair. Now as far as the fornication thing, people are doing that all the time these days, and it is not prosecuted, so that wont have any adverse effect.

Then we can have Mr, So and So and Ms. Special friend, or Mr. Friend and Mr. Friend, or however the arraingement comes together.

They can live together till death or bordom parts them, own joint property, and share expenses, with little formality.

This sounds like a language law anyway, personaly, you can call it what you like, if it walks and quacks- its a duck.

Language should not be legislated, so call a marrige what you will, but dont force the rest of the world to define it .

This comes from an administration that promissed no new taxes . Lies , Vote yes on one.

I don't think schools are just going to start teaching about gay marriage...I don't remember being taught about correct marriage, when I think about it,. However, when we allow things that aren't normal to pop up in pictures in history books, or science books, or posters at school or what have you, kids see it and will start accepting it as the norm with no questions asked. They will be indoctrinated subltly and slowly. I don't want my kids growing up thinking that homosexuality is normal and good, period. I can't protect them from it forever, though. They're going to see it on liberal television, news stories and the like, and it will give me the chance to point out that it's wrong. Someday, the question of gay marriage will pass because the people with common sense will die out and the libs will overtake the voting populous. I can only hope tha by the time that becomes the case, my children will be old enough and schooled enough to know the right way to live. I'm voting yes on one.

6:43 am, way to vote your conscience, zatwoodz. You just proved Bangorian's theory.

JD 2008, Not interested in the wiggle room you need to tell American Families what we should vote for regarding our belief and ethic. Your so impressionable regarding the lack of guidance that is required to build a a society that has norms and values. We vote for a normal society tradition that doesn't confuse the children which don't have the opportunity and guidance. I'm sorry that you really don't get the issue that lacks direction and guidance for the impressionable. Vote to keep something special and sacred. This is an easy choice to cherish in for an American Family.

djmuzx, thank you for the link. But - this is not a statement from the NEA or the MEA, it is an article from another site. In looking at some other areas of the site, AIDS is called "a gay disease" - completely ignoring the facts from the CDC regarding women, blacks and Hispanics, who are the fastest growing populations new diagnoses. If one researched the statement made by Matt Foreman, they would find that his comment was expanded on - every group who is affected by HIV/AIDS should take responsibility for its spread among those groups. (very misleading in the article, IMO)

While I agree that the NEA collectively supports same-gender marriage and diversity(anti-discrimination) and safe school programs, I don't see where they are pushing the so-called "homosexual agenda" (which by the way is a Conservative, Right Wing ideology and IMO propaganda to stir fear and promote dsicrimination).

Thank again

Jack B. (1/2 of Straight Couple for Equal Marriage and Voted NO on 1)

Vote yes on no? or is it no on yes? Yes we want gay marrige, no if we dont? if I vote yes for gay marrige, do I have to get married? What if Im already married? Its so confusing, I did not get any lessons on gayness in school, nor did I get the gaydar phenominon- I mean, If they had taught about it when I went to school, well, I might be better prepared for all these issues. What are the kids being given all the condomes for anyway? Are they like study materials? In my youth, we had to brave a trip to the pharmacysts counter- and he would look at you through narrow glasse- cuz he knew you where up to something. The crazy thing about it all, and not having lessons in school, I never knew they where for protecting bannanas.

I liked the world before political correctness - it was way more fun, big gas guzzelers, cheap gas, lead paint, aspestos, taboos, dirty industrial jobs that paid lousy wages, moms that actually provided daycare for there kids, where dads went to work, when all the stores where closed on Sunday, and people where so bored they actually found church a thing to do, 3 channels and a knob, in black and white, There must not have been gay back then, I dont remember it as an issue. So I guess educating the poor children in how to be gay is the way of this generation. Oh and Drive ins, do you remember drive ins?...

Bangor Daily - there must be something else to report on - how many more articles can you write on this??????? Enough already!!!

no wonder fundamentalist teens get pregnant, they put their condoms on bananas!

whatever...this whole issue was nothing more than a smokescreen by the Yes on One people to terrify Mainers...typical lame attempt. Maybe they can dig up some more fake teachers and dim witted guidance counselors for another ad...Wow...that's the BEST they can come up with. Oh sure, they say 'people are afraid to speak their minds". That's funny...they seem to find lots of psychos who are willing to show up on tv and in the pages of the BDN...

yeah... arwen10...we should just teach abstinence (or whatever you want) and let them figure out the rest for themselves...worked well for the Palin's

Still Voting Yes on ONE!!

so its not going to be taught in the schools..WAKE UP people, REALITY..your kids are going to learn it on the playgrond, on the bus, on the streets..in tv shows.its a fact of life and its not going away with or without your vote..Unfortunately, the kids that use gay slurs..half dont even know of what they speak..maybe they should be taught the reality of it, so they are not as ignorant as some of their peers or parents. VOTE NO!!

We won't raise your taxes

Oh no, this is a tax cut, it is not simply rearranging taxes so that we are going to just take your money from someplace else.

Senator Snow is a republican.

Senator Collins is a republican.

Oh no, the tourists are going to pay this tax for us, people from Maine don't go out to dinner, or get their vehicle repaired.

Believe all this?

Then by all means, go ahead and believe Janet Mills.

Drinky, how about if we have some responsible parents and have the parents teach the kids what they want them to know. Why on earth is it the schools job to teach sex ed and about marriage.

Thanks Jack B. Whether the NEA directy or indirectly supports sodomy marriage or not.THEY DO! The biggest left wing liberal agenda trick(lie) is to sit on the fence push their agenda through crafty semantics. We obviously aren't going to change each other's stance.I do appreciate hearing the other side though.I will vote my conscience. YES ON 1 Thanks,

So I continue to see people saying VOTE YES OR ELSE YOUR CHILDREN WILL LEARN IT!

...And you clueless people actually think a yes vote will prevent that. That's what makes me smile. I'm not an emotionist. I don't play off someone's emotions and try to sway their opinion that way, as effective as it is. I also don't use the greatest work of science fiction as my evidence for making a claim. I would ask these same religious followers fighting for that cause in the question 1 debate, what do you say about discussions of the world wars? What do you say to the theory of evolution being taught? What about dinosaurs? What about the holocaust? Do you support a discussion of the Jewish faith when the holocaust topic comes up?

Your vote won't accomplish anything, except make it impossible for gays to marry. They will still be together, it will be obvious, and it will be discussed. Nice try guys. Nice try.

Of course discussion about gay marriage is going to end up in the schools under the guise of some civil rights issue or whatever. I can only imagine the same children asking the science teacher how attraction to the same sex fits in with natural selection.

SinCity,

Got any family in Louisiana?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/16/louisiana.interracial.marriage/index.html

Your mentality (and many like you) and this JP are identical.

Sick sick sick...

This site is the lesson plan for California for safe school community lesson 9 its a gay site, it even has rainbows-http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/RG-lessonplans.html also check this out http://www.insidebayarea.com/search/ci_13169362?IADID=Search-www.insidebayarea.com-www.insidebayarea.com

But tanker99,

There is no same-sex marriage in CA.

Saying that teaching this in schools hinges on extending marriage equality is a bald-faced lie. In fact, not ONE argument put forth yet demonstrates harmful consequences of marriage equality, as you just keep showing examples of things you don't like in places without marriage equality. Try again.

Vote NO on 1 to insure all families in Maine are treated fairly.

tedlick...nice name.....Some people wanted me to prove that homosexuality is being taught in school. There is more gays in Cali. then anywhere s, don't kill the messenger. These sights aren't beneficial for your side, but sorry about that.

The slippery slope starts with hate. It's all downhill from there.

I for one will be voting NO ON 1. To show my support for traditional Maine families and their children.

Let's take a stand for Maine and our Families. VOTE NO ON 1, IN NOVEMBER

Plus both sites aren't right wing. Ones a gay site and the other seems to lean left, judging by other articles.

tanker99,

Then get upset about teaching homosexuality in schools, but don't lie and claim it won't happen if marriage equality is snuffed out.

That's disingenuous at best, lying at worst.

Vote NO on 1 and insure that all Maine citizens are treated equally and fairly under the government we all share.

RHetzer...I must be sleep deprived as I do not follow your post at all!

so, your claiming if the law passes it won't give anymore legal rights to gays to teach it, isn't that lying?

Yes on 1 is losing credibility and steam FAST. All their main points of contention are garbage and are systematically being exposed as such. When voting day arrives, this race isn't going to end up being nearly as close as people think it will be.

NO on 1 is as good as done.

I lived in Maine for 58 years and retired down South. My four sisters and family still live in Maine.....I keep asking them why has Maine people turned so bitter and hateful towards their neighbors and society in it's self. I have never heard so much hate towards one another in these comments on whether to vote No or Yes on this referendum. I am not concerned about our children learning about people being straight, gay, or lesbian. I am concerned that they are learning how to bully and hate their sisters and brothers from you as parents, Aunts, Uncles, Nieces etc. No wonder we have so many young people being bullied, or becoming bullies who set on fire young kids and burned 80% of their body...I can't amagine what that Mother is going through with her son in a burn center fighting for his life....Our society is begaining to understand where it all comes from.....right at home....I don't care if you are gay or straight. As Adults, love each other, love your children, teach them to respect each others views and to act like young men and young ladies.....My Grandfather told me many years ago, it's a poor man who poops in his own nest.....in otherwards, if you don't have anything good to say about someone, than shut up.....

http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=448&department=CFI&categoryid=cfreport

California 2nd Graders Taught to Accept Homosexuality, Cross-Dressing 2/21/2002

California 2nd Graders Taught to Accept Homosexuality, Cross-Dressing

Boy says proudly, ‘Let them say I’m a girl. What’s wrong with being like a girl?’

By Allan Dobras

California’s school districts have introduced pro-homosexual material into the elementary school curriculum — starting with the second grade — following a state task force’s recommendation to create lesson plans that include positive images of homosexuality.

The new classroom material includes an assortment of plays, songs, poems and interactive performance pieces called “Cootie Shots,” which is advertised as promoting acceptance and celebrating diversity “by presenting role models from many different races, classes, genders, abilities, sexual orientations, religions, ages, shapes and sizes.”

Last October, Gov. Gray Davis of California signed into law several bills that add “hate crimes” to the list of school crimes listed in “safe school” programs. These laws require schools to develop a “comprehensive plan” for protecting students from harassment and discrimination based on “sexual orientation.” A state task force issued a controversial set of pro-homosexual recommendations based on its interpretation of the new laws. Pro-family groups said the guidelines crossed the line into advocacy. Now that they are being implemented in California public schools, parents are beginning to understand the new laws’ impact on their children.

DIVERSITY AS COVER

Despite the “Cootie Shots” program’s appeal to “diversity,” the play is little more than a cover to promote homosexuality. It was developed by the theatrical group “Fringe Benefits,” which calls itself a “coalition of theater activists dedicated to building bridges between gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) youth and their straight peers, teachers and parents.” The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), which also created a classroom activity guide, has endorsed the course.

In a February 18 interview on the Fox News Network, Brad Dacus, President of the Pacific Justice Institute, said, “[The] presentation was put on to elementary school children, down to the second-grade level, age of 7. And this was done, promoting homosexuality in a very positive fashion.”

FOX News’ William La Jeunesse reported: “Performed in hundreds of classes, ‘Cootie Shots’ include skits in which a transsexual boy says proudly, ‘Let them say I’m a girl. What’s wrong with being like a girl? Let them laugh, let them scream, they’ll all be beheaded when I’m queen.’ In another, a girl says, ‘The one I love she wears a dress.’ And in ‘What’s With the Dress, Jack?’ Jack says, ‘It shows off my legs.’ ”

“The problem is,” said Dacus, “under the guise of harassment, we see groups like this coming in, trying to promote a particular attitude and philosophy about a very controversial, morally and otherwise, lifestyle.”

EDUCATOR ATTACKS PARENTS’ MOTIVES

Rosa Futomuto, representing the UCLA Teacher Education Program, defended the play in an interview on the FOX News broadcast.

“The way that the plays are performed, they don’t — they’re not explicit in showing any kind of transgendered or gay or lesbian lifestyle, per se,” Futomuto said. “What they are focused on is name calling.”

Futomoto’s defense adheres to the usual “gay” strategy of using victimization rhetoric to justify homosexual-, bisexual—and transsexual-affirming programs in schools. GLSEN has used this tactic effectively for years, disarming critics who don’t want to be perceived as mean.

Futomuto continued: “If [parents] truly feel that way, then their children maybe should be home schooled, and that would be their choice. Or maybe they can afford a private school where they can practice racism and sexism, and whatever they want to practice.”

Most low-income families in California do not have the option of attending private schools, due in part to the defeat of a 2000 ballot initiative that would have provided school vouchers for low-income families. Leading opposition to the vouchers initiative was the California Teachers Association (CTA), a third of whose members reportedly send their children to private schools, according to The Heritage Foundation (citing a CTA study).

To make matters worse, many private schools also now promote the acceptance of homosexuality in the name of “diversity” and “tolerance.” GLSEN actively pushes its agenda in private institutions.

No, I'm saying that screaming "if we let gays marry they'll teach it in school so we must stop it" is lying because as folks keep pointing out over and over and over, in some places without marriage equality it's already being taught.

What is taught in schools is not tied to the issue of marriage equality in the least.

To say that it won't happen if marriage equality is stopped is disingenuous at best, lying at worst.

If it's already happening, then marriage equality isn't going to cause it.

Another thing I'm curious about if somebody wants to answer, since the slippery slope has been talked about often, first I never used that phrase. But one guy started to complain that they didn't believe that god should be mentioned in school. So it was taken out of the pledge, then there is no more Christmas carols, now it's holiday songs, the ten commandments can't be posted, although our laws are pretty much based on it. Now there is a fight for all crosses to be removed from federal lands, including military burial sites. That one guy that started this, can't you say it would be a slippery slope? Especially all that changed because of it.

For anyone who hasn't read this, here's another example of the Yes Klan's mentality, only this time it's not a homosexual couple catching the blunt end of bigotry.

Interracial couple in Louisiana denied marriage license

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/16/louisiana.interracial.marriage/index.html

After all, it's for the sake of the children.

nice post forHim

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54420

AW OF THE LAND

Judge orders 'gay' agenda

taught to Christian children

Rules kids need teachings to be

'engaged and productive citizens'

Posted: February 24, 2007

1:00 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com

David Parker and his team of lawyers approach the reporters and TV cameras after a recent motions hearing. Left to right: Robert Sinsheimer, Jeffrey Denner, David Parker, Neil Tassel

A federal judge in Massachusetts has ordered the "gay" agenda taught to Christians who attend a public school in Massachusetts, finding that they need the teachings to be "engaged and productive citizens."

U.S. District Judge Mark L. Wolf yesterday dismissed a civil rights lawsuit brought by David Parker, ordering that it is reasonable, indeed there is an obligation, for public schools to teach young children to accept and endorse homosexuality.

Wolf essentially adopted the reasoning in a brief submitted by a number of homosexual-advocacy groups, who said "the rights of religious freedom and parental control over the upbringing of children … would undermine teaching and learning…"

David and Tonia Parker and Joseph and Robin Wirthlin, who have children of school age in Lexington, Mass., brought the lawsuit. They alleged district officials and staff at Estabrook Elementary School violated state law and civil rights by indoctrinating their children about a lifestyle they, as Christians, teach is immoral.

"Wolf's ruling is every parent's nightmare. It goes to extraordinary lengths to legitimize and reinforce the 'right' (and even the duty) of schools to normalize homosexual behavior to even the youngest of children," said a statement from the pro-family group Mass Resistance.

It also is making available background information about the lengthy dispute.

David Parker in handcuffs

"In the ruling, Wolf makes the absurd claim that normalizing homosexuality to young children is 'reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy.' According to Wolf, this means teaching 'diversity' which includes 'differences in sexual orientation.'

"In addition, Wolf makes the odious statement that the Parkers' only options are (1) send their kids to a private school, (2) home-school their kids, or (3) elect a majority of people to the School Committee who agree with them. Can you imagine a federal judge in the Civil Rights era telling blacks the same thing – that if they can't be served at a lunch counter they should just start their own restaurant, or elect a city council to pass laws that reflect the U.S. Constitution?" the organization said.

Lawyers for the families said they already had planned an appeal of the judge's opinion.

But Wolf's claims followed very closely the reasoning submitted earlier in a brief by Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, Massachusetts Teachers Association, Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders and other advocates for the "gay" agenda.

Earlier, Mass Resistance President Brian Camenker had wondered why such national groups were "so interested in a parent's right to decide what moral issues are taught to his children by adults in elementary schools, especially regarding homosexuality."

"They must see David Parker's case as quite a threat to their ability to push their message on children," he had said. His organization has posted information about the judge's ruling on the Internet for readers to review.

But the judge concluded that even allowing Christians to withdraw their children from classes or portions of classes where the religious beliefs were being violated wasn't a reasonable expectation.

"An exodus from class when issues of homosexuality or same-sex marriage are to be discussed could send the message that gays, lesbians, and the children of same-sex parents are inferior and, therefore, have a damaging effect on those students," he opined.

"Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy," the judge wrote. "Diversity is a hallmark of our nation. It is increasingly evident that our diversity includes differences in sexual orientation."

And, he said, since history "includes instances of … official discrimination against gays and lesbians … it is reasonable for public educators to teach elementary school students … different sexual orientations."

If they disagree, "the Parkers and Wirthlins may send their children to a private school …[or] may also educate their children at home," the judge said.

Parker was arrested and jailed in Lexington in April 2005 over his request – and the school's refusal – to notify him when adults discuss homosexuality or transgenderism with his 6-year-old kindergartner. That despite a state law requiring such notification.

The incident made news around the nation and even Gov. Mitt Romney agreed with Parker.

However, in April 2006 the same school presented the book "King and King," about homosexual romances and marriage, to second-graders and again refused to provide notification.

Parker and other parents followed with the federal civil rights lawsuit, alleging school officials were refusing to follow state law.

David Parker's son brought home the book 'Who's in a Family?' in school's 'Diversity Book Bag' (Image: Article 8 Alliance)

Just days later, David Parker's son, Jacob, was beaten up at Estabrook Elementary, officials said. MassResistance said a group of 8-10 kids surrounded him and took him out of sight of "patrolling aides," then pummeled and beat him.

"The state must fight 'discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation' in ways that 'do not perpetuate stereotypes,'" the lawyers for the school district had argued at an earlier motions hearing. They also explained to the judge that, in their opinion, parents have no right to control what ideas the school presents to elementary schoolchildren.

"David Parker's dilemma … threatens the parental rights and religious freedom of every Massachusetts parent, and indirectly every parent in America," said John Haskins of the Parents' Rights Coalition.

"As the Lexington schools themselves are arguing, the state's right to force pro-homosexuality indoctrination on other people's children arises directly from former Gov. Mitt Romney's nakedly false and unconstitutional declaration that homosexual marriage is now legal."

Haskins said when the Massachusetts state Supreme Court demanded homosexual marriages in the state, it didn't have the constitutional or legal authority to order the governor to act or to order the Legislature to make any changes, and the creation of same-sex marriages in Massachusetts actually was accomplished by executive order from Romney.

You "gay agenda" folks are all nuts.

I remind myself that my own marriage would have been considered an offense in the eyes of God and Man in a great many societies in the past. My wife is Jewish. I'm not.

teddy boy, an interracial couple has nothing at all to do with the perversion of homosexuality, while your perversion is directly tied into what our children will have to endure being taught that its just another alternate acceptable way of life. Its not, its immoral. Lets not forget the overwhelming majority of blacks are against homosexuality, and so aren't all Americans.

Again 4him posts is opinion and announces that it is fact.

What an overbearing, pompous ass.

PROTECT THE CHILDREN OF MAINE.....VOTE YES....ON QUESTION ONE

PROTECT ALL OF THE CHILDREN OF MAINE AND THEIR FAMILIES.....VOTE NO.....ON QUESTION ONE

AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

Those against gay marriage like to believe God is against gay marriage for one reason and one reason only.

Their a bunch of homophobics.

This homosexual acceptance bill, placed on the voters by a foolish legislature, if not voted out in this referendum, is tacit endorcement of a life style. Should we also endorse those who would marry a mule or a sheep, or perhaps a child. Where is the line of collective morality for the majority. Will the electorate acquiesce by virtue of inaction. Do you want your son or daughter to marry one. This is an issue that is not hard to understand. Make your choice.

What a none issue. Once again the doomers and gloomers have taken a legitimate issue like equal marriage and driven a wedge into it as a means of dividing and conquering. They started this tactic (a successful one I might add) back when Reagan was expounding his social planning conservative drivel. (Remember the moral majority, the group that was neither?) They can't win the issue on the face of it so they have to throw something in like this to change the subject. Pure puppeteering and misinformation from the propagandist right. This is and has been an equal marriage issue, not an education issue. It is about time that responsible officals stood up and said so. The conservative tactic of wedging has worked elsewhere, why not in Maine? I'll tell you why not in Maine, because we are nobody's fools. Because in Maine we are better educated, fiercely independent, pragmatic, and are generally a live and let live sort of folk. Maine has traditionally been on the cutting edge of equality issues I am proud to say. (Remember as Maine goes, so goes the nation?) Please continue Maine's long and outstanding traditions of fairness and equality by voting no.

AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

I'm not going to lie, the thought of two guys making out freaks me out a little.

But I still say they shouldn't be discriminated against.

M32tron,

Shows us all how pathetic the Yes on 1 crowd is. They have no honesty and will do or say anything to continue their persecution of gays in our society. We must make male supremacy as socially unacceptable as we have made white supremacy over the last 40 years.

Vote H**l NO on 1 Novemebre 3rd

AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

I'm not so sure gays raising kids is good for the child, however.

On the other hand, I could think of worse situations for a child, such as some heterosexual parents doing a lousy job of parenting.

Can we please stop with the "what about the children" lying.

People who claim this are no different than this justice in Louisiana:

Louisiana justice of the peace denied marriage license to interracial couple, worried they might have children.

The AP reports that Louisiana justice of the peace Keith Bardwell has refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple because he believes that such marriages don’t usually last very long:

“I do ceremonies for black couples right here in my house,” Bardwell said. “My main concern is for the children.”

Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.

“I don’t do interracial marriages because I don’t want to put children in a situation they didn’t bring on themselves,” Bardwell said. “In my heart, I feel the children will later suffer.”

If he does an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same for all, he said.

“I try to treat everyone equally,” he said.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/15/interracial-couple/

Yeah... he was just "doing it for the children" too.

No, he's a racist, and he was refusing to marry interracial couples because he doesn't want whites marrying blacks.

And the people lying about Yes on One, claiming to be "doing it for the children," are also acting out of their own prejudices and ignorance.

JonAlbrecht,

You assume many things that are unfounded. While my personel beliefs are perhaps different that yours, why assume that I accept the "persecution of gays", or further, in any way link myself with "male supremacy" or "white supremacy". While I do believe that homosexuality is a pestilenial perversion of human nature, I do not subscribe to what you imply. Obviously, you have made your choice. Time will tell if I am to go the way of the dinosaur, and your kind carries on.

M32Tron

Here we go again about animals,,, ignorant thoughts and comments like these should be banned.

AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

It's wrong to hate or dislike a person for his or her color, but it's OK to discriminate against gays? That sounds a little messed up to me.

And anonon you want those comments banned but why some of the ignorant comments you and aiononca have said havent been banned. Hmm wonder why

On 10/16/09 at 9:44 AM, mikebrown wrote: "I'm not going to lie, the thought of two guys making out freaks me out a little. But I still say they shouldn't be discriminated against."

It's OK that the idea of two guys making out is uncomfortable to you. You're straight (I'm assuming), so that's natural. I do want to applaud your ability to rise above personal discomfort, see the bigger picture, and (guessing here) vote against discrimination.

Thank you.

People like M32Tron confuse gays with zoophiles and pedophiles because they are STUPID.

AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

I think there are other topics society should be more outraged about than the gay marriage issue, such as child molesters being released from jail, even though they usually can't be successfully treated, or the fact that drunk drivers get a slap on the wrist.

I WAS going to vote YES on this... but NOW I think I will vote NO. If you want to be gay or lesbian - go ahead! I'm sick of hearing about it - GO AWAY! God, children, families really don't give a s#!t what you do! Just don't come crying when they have "EXPERIMENTAL GAY AND LESBIAN DAY" in your community, so your son or daughter can determine if they're gay or straight. Yes, society will be so accepting and aware of this type of lifestyle that ALL kinds of young people will be confused about their own sexuality and wonder if THEY might be gay or lesbian, too. (You know how young people are, tell them about the Tooth Fairy, Santa, Easter Bunny and they BELIEVE it), so... tell them it's OK to be gay or lesbian and they'll wonder deep down whether or not THEY are, and... well, I guess there's only ONE way to know for sure, little Johnny or Sally! ;) Remember when it was "Hip" to be square? Oh, it's SO liberating to be accepting!

AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

I find it hard that God would want gays to have less rights.

AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

Being gay isn't a choice. I didn't choose to be straight!

tanker99...I went to the same link you posted last night and the ONLY Lesson Plan 9 is for Middle School. The article you posted specifically listed a Lesson Plan 9 for Elementary School

ELEMENTARY SCHOOL - There is not one Lesson Plan listed which goes beyond the number 6

MIDDLE SCHOOL - Yes, the lessons plans go beyond the number 6 and they do include sexual topics including:

*Appreciating the Men of Ballet from PBS, the Public Broadcasting System

Creating Safe Space for GLBTQ Youth: A Toolkit: from Advocates for Youth includes 12 lesson plans.

No Name-Calling Week lessons

HATE CRIME: "Should it be considered a crime?

etc...

HIGH SCHOOL

Teaching tolerance of those different from us is important as evidenced by some of the very hateful and ignorant comments (no yours tanker99, but others) made on these electronic pages.

Middle School children are sexually active. In the town I live in an 8th grader became pregnant at the end of the school year. If you think they are not people are seriously kidding themselves.

Maine is sick. Infected.

Brimming with an infection of liberals that are killing this state.

Killing its economy. Killing its morality. Killing its ideas of right and wrong.

A mass migration of this state's liberals would double our GDP instantly.

AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

Many gays are the nicest people in the world-why would I want to discriminate against them? Or hate them?

This is the product of a focus group "eureka" during the Prop 8 campaign. Schubert Fiint Public Affairs (who are now advising SFMM) found out last year that "gay marriage being taught in schools" made some people angry. Exactly what people are afraid of remains unknown. Gay is not a communicable disease. In point of fact, some of little Billy's schoolmates already have two daddies or two mommies.

BTW, the NY Times released the newest test results yesterday. Mass fourth graders have the best math test scores in the country; Mississippi the worst. What does that tell you? http://www.tips-q.com/1477421-education-massachusetts-mississippi

In the interest of truth and fairness, I have been to the website that displays the actual book in question. It can be seen here: http://www.protectmaineequality.org/book.cfm

If you are against this being taught, please check it out to see what the fuss is all about. Whatever your views, information is your best weapon.

Mainer72

What are my ignorant comments?

Im not saying that if this is passed that the next thing will be people wanting to marry their animals.

I'm also not going around saying that by yes will protect our children which it won't it will not protect our children.

I'm also not throwing subjects that have nothing to do with this issue which is all about equality not about the bible, not about homosexuality being taught in schools,not about turning children gay,not about morals,, It is about (Equality) Meaning everybody having the same rights,,everybody being treated equally. It is the yes side that is throwing in all these issuse that have nothing to do with the agenda and the issue at hand.

I did not raise my children to disrespect,or judge how another person chooses to live their life. I taught them to respect and accept people for who they are and not to judge people on their lifstyle or their race or sexual orientation.

All of you people by voteing yes are showing your children it is ok to judge,disrespect and not to accept other peoples choices in life. You want to be in control of them and everyone around them The last I knew this was a free country and all are supposed to be treated equally.

VOTED NO ON QUESTION # 1 For my childrens future and generations to come.

If you care about your childrens future and generations to come,,, you will VOTE NO Also.

IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CHILDRENS FUTURE YOU WILL VOTE YES ON #1

Gee Mike, your kinda funny. People are kinda turned off at a certain limit. The gay thing kinda disgusts people at certain levels. Lot's of reasons for the gay thing I guess experimentation, divorce and closet outcomings, preference, genetic inclined, for fun. Aren't these all presented. I just don't have the acceptance for the normal world that allows me to vote for what I see as a best interest. The sexual preference thing just can't have the "Marriage" status, Sorry , Let's vote. You can pound it a number of ways with the alternate lifestyle that seperates us at this level. Sorry , No Kapish. Can't have it. Deal with it.

tanker99...to specifically addressyour 8:55 AM points I will address them one at a time

"But one guy started to complain that they didn't believe that god should be mentioned in school." - I do not recall God ever being taught in the public schools. Yes, public prayer was removed and replaced with a moment of silence. Nothing keeps a child from praying and many do, before test, etc...

"So it was taken out of the pledge" - Really???? When was "under God" removed???? We recite the pledge before every Town Meeting and the words "under God" are still there. You do understand that the original Pledge did not have the words "under God" in it, don't you? It was added during the 1950's during the "Red Scare" and some historians feels it was added as a direct reference to the "Godless Communists".

"then there is no more Christmas carols" - Again, children are free to exchange Christmas/Holiday/etc...cards. Not sure if they are "allowed" during school hours or not. But they haven't been banned.

"now it's holiday songs" - In many schools you are correct. Religious songs are not permitted. But in many schools holiday songs (non religious) are still sung and played during holiday concerts.

"the ten commandments can't be posted, although our laws are pretty much based on it" - Yes and No...as a religious symbol you are correct. If they are part of a history of law, sociology class, etc...then I would hazard a guess that they are still brought up. As to your point "although our laws are pretty much based on it" - Again, yes and no. The basis of our Criminal Justice system is based on English common law which is based on laws, etc... that date back thousands of years to Rome, Greece, etc...

"Now there is a fight for all crosses to be removed from federal lands, including military burial sites." - You are correct about the court case pending about crosses on federal lands. Not so sure about the military burial sites though. Need to do a little bit of research on that one. At any rate, the case will land in the lap of the U.S. Supreme Court and that will be the final answer.

FireFly: You said: "David Reed that is true..they also used cocumbers. Kids were shown this years ago without parents knowledge. And it wasn't done by teachers it was taught by organizations such as Planned Parenthood. I wouldn't be surprised if schools are forced to participate to get federal grants or state grants. One time the kids had gone on a field trip to a university and had to sign up for different workshops. My child was placed in an alternative life style workshop when he hadn't wanted to attend and I had not signed the permission slip for it."

Well, if s/he was going to a University, they presumably are the age of consent (18), which I have absolutely no problem with. Why SHOULD a parent have to sign a permission slip for it? I can say in my time in school, I never experienced such an issue, nor have the kids of anyone I know. I don't really have a problem with sex education (though what this has to do with marriage I don't know). I do think schools should teach the biology of sex, since it is what it is.

SinCity: You said: "THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALS. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK MORALS ARE JUST RELATIVE AND OPEN TO PERCEPTION?"

Answer: Yes.

Voting "NO" on Question #1!

M32Tron

Homosexuality is legal in all 50 states.

Beastilality is illegal in all to states.

Next

Read Question 1, asks if you want to reject the new law that in part "allows individuals and and religious groups to refuse to perform these marriages?"

They don't want to be allowed to REFUSE to perform them?????? They don't want to be EXEMPT as the law states?

Some of you people are so frantic about not allowing same-gender couples to marry that you miss this part of the question - and then you go on to say that sooner or later churches will be forced? - talk about self-prophecy - voting "yes" gives away your freedom to refuse - it gives up your right to the exemption that is written into the law - in essence you give up your Religious Freedom.

Hmmmmmm - makes ya think, don't it?

Jack B.

IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CHILDRENS' FUTURE AS WELL AS THE FUTURE OF ALL CHILDREN YOU WILL VOTE NO ON #1 !

JD...Man you live in a fantasy world. For all that don't believe the material in the site I put up, this takes you directly to what I'm talking about. If it's to much typing, copy and paste. I wonder how long this comment will stay up before it gets hidden. For some reason, some people don't want others to see the truth. http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/whatisageappropriate.pdf

"The sexual preference thing just can't have the "Marriage" status"

Tell that to the following:

* Belgium

* Canada

* Netherlands

* Norway

* South Africa

* Spain

* Sweden

USA

* Connecticut

* Iowa

* Vermont

* Massachusetts

* New Hampshire (come January).

They'll tell you that you're wrong. In time, you'll be wrong for all 50 states.

Marriage is a civil ceremony that the state can grant to any persons they choose.

See... Already got it... have it... deal with it.

tanker99...I went to the site. There is NO LESSON PLAN 9 for Elementary School Children. NONE

If you think middle school children are not sexually active and are experimenting with sex, YOU are the one living in a fantasy world!

tanker99 do you wish to dispute anything in my 10:49 AM post?

JD2008,

The issue here is moral relativity. It seems you are very aware of homosexual laws, perhaps, you can also look up sodomy laws in the 50 states. Are these states going to or have they already removed these types of laws. Nice try on attempting to segway the issue to the contempory thought process of your side.

Bangorian, I have always thought that! You couldn't be more on the money. What's worse, those simpletons breed more simpletons.

JD: Unreal! The lies and distortions continue....is it desperation?

11:21 AM, M32Tron,

I know you were talking to JD2008, but I just wanted to let you know.

There are no sodomy laws left in the United States. In their ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, the Supreme Court of the United States determined that all sodomy laws are unconstitutional.

There are no laws against sodomy. Period.

Sorry... Try again.

tedlick,

I guess that is good news for your ilk. The vote will tell.

IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CHILDRENS' FUTURE AS WELL AS THE FUTURE OF ALL CHILDREN YOU WILL VOTE NO ON #1 !

Ya , keep it out of mine and your kids schools. Make it Law and you can be sure that it will get in the system . There will be lawsuits and you will have no say. Gays will push their views until it's a norm. Where you see practicality there will be the over toppers pushing.

M32Tron,

It has been good news for my ilk since 2003.

And yes, the vote will tell: for now. Eventually, the Courts will tell everybody: for good.

Have a wonderful day.

Tanker, the purpose of that group was to oppose gay marriage in CA. That was their sole purpose. You need to look at neutral sources if you want facts.

David reed...they were in middle school. And that was over 15 years ago. This country is on the fast lane to hell. Lord have mercy on us all....

JD... I don't wish to dispute your 10:49 posting. You made my case for me.

tedlick,

Likewise :)

forHIMtoday, SInCity, tanker99, Mainer72, etc....If you really want to protect Maine children maybe we should do the following as each leads to injury and death of young innocent children.

Raise the age for a drivers license to 21. We all know that children think they are "bullet proof" and by raising the age we will same thousands of dollars in medical cost, thousands of life changing injuries and many deaths each year.

Raise the smoking age to 21. After all we all know the dangers of smoking. Smoking has been linked to cancer, breathing disorders, etc...We could save countless lives each and every year, hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills. Oh and maybe the police could actually enforce the law currently on the books regarding smoking in cars with minors present and under age smoking.

Change the penalty for .00 tolerance blood alcohol level from a one year suspension for under age drinking to no license until the 21st birthday. After all they have already shown they are irresponsible by drinking alcohol beverages under age. Again we could save thousands of dollars of future medical costs and save some live too. And while we are at it, minimum of 1 year in jail for anyone furnishing a place for a minor to consume alcohol or for furnishing alcohol to a minor.

After all we want to protect our children and keep them safe. Can anyone else think of other ways we can keep our children safe for themselves?

By the way...saw many signs yesterday.... they all said vote "yes" on one.

tanker99...you wish. ;)

firefly I also so many...most on public property and grouped in groups of 10. I see very few on private property.

Nobody needs to worry about a repeal because the majority of our population is in Southern Maine where people are far more open minded, and educated. I would like to ask all the people opposed something....what is YOUR reason for opposition? Your personal opinion, I would bet my house on it that the answer is pure and simple, you think homosexuality is wrong, gross, whatever, because you get stuck on the sex act. I welcome the diversity myself, and the people that this law will bring to our state. I still have another question that was never answered. When was marriage ever taught in school? There is no way it could be right now because it would unfair to all the illegitimate kids and kids of divorced parents, and parents of these kids. Obviously at some point our society started to devalue the institution of marriage, since everyone can now get sex and have kids whether or not they are married and they aren't outcasts and there is no reason to marry other then pure love. I am sure half the population of opposition voters are divorced, single parents, or cohabitors, what I have to say to you.......who in the hell are you to judge anyone, or preach the definition of marriage? Half the people in this country that go under oath in court don't even have a clue why the bible was picked so how dare they preach God's views of marriage.

Just like the Christian Civic League of Maine. That have attempted to camouflageit by changing the name but all of their functions are focus on repealing gay rights and introducing legislation to that end. Just like the poster here, forHIM. That is his one purpose in life.

The "protect the children" tac is just another attempt to disguise the facts and appeal to people's emotion and it's effective. It is also deceit. If you have the well-being of children in mind you will vote NO on ONE.

And for those who listen to some "other-world" voice that tells you to vote yes, "the zealots who flew planes into the Trade Center listened to that voice too."

William you didn't read the article then, it wasn't about opposing gay marriage and as far as my sources, one of them is a group for LBGT, it's a nation wide organization that originally started in washington state and gets donations from pretty much all well known gay groups. So distort the facts all you want, plus the other site is from a local paper from the town that the lawsuit is taken place in. Just because there is articles that hurts your cause doesn't mean they are a far right organization. Also, I'm a democrat, it's not only the right thats against this.

forHIMtoday posted:

The new classroom material includes an assortment of plays, songs, poems and interactive performance pieces called “Cootie Shots,” which is advertised as promoting acceptance and celebrating diversity “by presenting role models from many different races, classes, genders, abilities, sexual orientations, religions, ages, shapes and sizes."

_______________________________________________________________-

HELLO??!! That's what school is for! Didn't you go?

Tanker, what in the hell did any of those 10:49 points have to do with question one?

I find it funny that most that are for equality are those that are for abortion. Pretty Ironic.

If anyone understands that post at 10:48 (RHetzer) , good luck

free2bee: That poster is bogus. re 4:49 AM There is more that could be said re that poster, but I will not here. Sooner or later, that poster will probably be "gone" again. He is desperately looking for attention and people are feeding into it, unfortunately. Bangorean or some poster had a good point about that. Have a good day, free2bee.

tomthompson: You are right about Maine being in the forefront .....hence what they always said, "As Maine goes, so goes the nation". Mainers think for themselves.....they believe in live and let live and not getting in peoples' faces about how they choose to live their lives !

Vote NO on 1.

william... It was an example of the slippery slope, sorry I didn't make it clear for you.

William...you used the word "hell". According to some of you people there is no such place. Since you used the word could you explain it to me? Is it a place a state of mind? Which is it? Is it a place where there is an absence of anything good? Without anything pure...never ending ...forever..forever torment.

Planning to have an abortion, tanker? Abortion is between a woman, her physician, and her belief system. It's her body and her life. There are many women who would never terminate a pregnancy, and they are probably the majority. At any rate, abortion is not an issue. The supreme court ruled on that 35 years ago.

Don't get any ideas by how many signs. The roads were lined with Palin/McCain signs last fall.......and , well......

You guys realize any mention ever mentioned in a school, if ever at all, would be about gay marriage and not gay sex. There isn't really anything to be afraid about. If a hetro couple is mentioned in a school classroom do you assume they describe their sex acts? Those types of things will never be taught, gay or straight.

I also mentioned this on the page about the poll numbers (http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/125146.html) but I see it applies here. I thank everybody voting NO on #1. You have know idea what it will mean to my family. I thank those of you that post with respect everyday to explain why we deserve this civil right, some that never comment. I would just ask some of the others that spend the day calling yes voters names like stupid and such to please stop. There are lots of people reading these. We need votes. This issue is more important then your petty arguements. If you don't like another poster then please take it else where. We need this.

opinionated. San Francisco is really open minded. Hows that working out for them?

11:49 AM, firefly, this isn't a religious issue. I swear like a trucker. I used "hell" because the BDN allows it.

William.....I find it's funny thats all, you preach equality for gays,but not for the unborn. Who knows, since you say people are born gay. why don't you defend the gay unborn? I find thats cruel. Im against gay marriage, but I'm not against killing them. Wow, you should check your morals.

chersully2000

LET'S TEACH THE KIDS GAY MARRIAGE WITHOUT THE SEX THING. THAT'S A HOOT. WHERE ARE YOU FROM. HASN'T ANYBODY EVER LIVED IN THE CITY. KEEP THE GAY THING OUT OF THE SCHOOLS. THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT THING DON'T WORK WITH ME . WASN'T BORN UNDER A ROCK.

Not to quick on the responses now, are we.

tanker99 let's post what you don't want to

http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/about_us.html#OurMission

Our Mission:

The Safe Schools Coalition is an international public-private partnership in support of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender youth, that is working to help schools

tanker99 let's post what you don't want to

http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/about_us.html#OurMission

Our Mission:

The Safe Schools Coalition is an international public-private partnership in support of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender youth, that is working to help schools - at home and all over the world - become safe places where every family can belong, where every educator can teach, and where every child can learn, regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation.

11:49 AM, firefly,

I'd say it's life under fundamentalists of any specific stripe, Christians included.

That would truly be "hell".

11:57 AM, RHetzer,

"HASN'T ANYBODY EVER LIVED IN THE CITY."

I grew up in Atlanta. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I think we should go back to the good old days when only landowners were allowed to vote. You know, back when it was legal for some people to be more equal than others.

Post the remainder of the site don't just pick a friendly paragraph JD

Our Role:

We used to be the 'Safe Schools Coalition of Washington,' but now we proudly serve a world-wide constituency -- with some services specifically for our Washington members. Our role is to reduce bias-based bullying and violence in schools and to help schools better meet the needs of sexual minority youth and children with sexual minority parents/guardians locally, nationally and internationally, by ...

1. providing resources to schools (posters, publications),

2. raising parent/guardian, student, educator and community awareness (list serve, website, public speaking, media),

3.providing skill-based training for educators (administrators and other professional and paraprofessional staff),

4. serving as a technical advisory resource (to researchers, policy-makers, educators and activists -- students, parents/guardians, community members), and

5. conducting and disseminating research (to educators, policy-makers and activists).

The Safe Schools Coalition also serves the community within Washington State by ...

6. intervening and advocating on behalf of individual students, educators and families experiencin