Here goes another story... more hype... when will it end?!!

The truth is, we should be more afraid of the ingredients put in these vaccines than of the flu itself. I can understand those who have serious medical issues wanting to get this vaccine, but please be sure to get the one without Thimerosal and Squalene!! Ask specifically for those WITHOUT those two ingredients.

How can Kathy Knight claim that the lots of Swine Flu vaccines have been tested and proven safe when our federal government, the FDA and WHO have said their was not enough time to test the vaccine for effectiveness therefore those who receive it will be the ones testing its effectiveness?

Line up and be a Guinea pig for big pharma profits.

If you are worried about getting the flu, the best thing you can do to boost your immune system so that you can fight it off with the least amount of inconvenience is take lots of vitamin C and Vitamin D3.

If the label claims the daily dose is based on the FDA recommended daily allowance, this is the absolute minimum amount you need daily to ward off a vitamin deficiency related disease. For example, in order to avoid developing the disease survey, you would need to eat the FDA requirements for vitamin C. To build your immune system you need to eat more of it. Vitamin D can be captured with exposing your skin to sunlight but only if you are not wearing sunblock. If you can not get sunlight, buy a vitamin D3 supplement and follow the daily dose.

Also wash your hands frequently and keep a hand sanitizer with you for when you can not.

I worked in the healthcare field for over 25 years and only got sick from the flu shot. Haven't had the shot since '97 and have not had the flu since the last shot I had even when I was repeatedly exposed to it. I take vitamins and eat lots of veggies. Dont buy into the hype. Our bodies have the ability to fight off disease and heal naturally with the right fuel. Educate yourselves.

'Restore'...you are absolutely correct. My government doctor told me, with many cases he represents and the information he is receiving from internal government sources, that this Swine Flu agent is nothing more than any other influenza's preceding or forthcoming; being the hyperbole of the Swine Flu, if people have "THE FLU", automatically, it is the dreaded "Swine Flu"! Lots of panic in the streets, it seems.

I know people got vaccinated recently, and the incubation period takes about 7 days to 13 days to take affect, but as myself, a vegetarian for nearly 30 years and also longtime fruit and yogurt person every day, the last time I had the flu of any "type" was earlier than 1987...and that is when my last flu shot was given. I'm not buying this for any reason, no matter what anyone says. To add, I never attempt to get into crowded places where air quality is compromised. Schools, however, as the article pointed out, is one source of transfer of diseases no matter if it is flu season or not.

I wonder what the next panic will bring after this Swine Flu 'epidemic' has passed? WHO knows?

I just got over the "H1N1" flu. It was no worse than any other flu I had in my life. People are scared cause it's a new strain of flu. It's still just the flu people!!! I am curious though why the media and government are trying to scare people so they will get this "vaccine". Personally I am not getting the vaccine, who know's what's in it!

I also chose not to get the h1n1 vaccine because I think it's too new. Like you all said, take care of yourself ans wash your hands and you'll be alright. I dont think the title of this article should be used. It's not accurate to say that the all these kids have the swine flu just because they're absent from school.

I will never again have a flu shot. The only time I ever had one & the only time I ever had "the flu"was back in the mid 60's.

I was so sick that I thought I would die.

here i sit so undecided on what to do. i have a healthy 2 year old but then i have a child thats 5 with severe lung issues. like many others i have opted out on the seasonal flu shot due to him becomming really sick from one when he was 2. so of course my 2 year old will not get it. h1n1- there are no vaccinations in the presque ilse area for anyone over the age of three. however then under 3 has just arrived and will start giving out on monday. where is the vaccination for over 3? i am being told that my youngest should be vacinatated due to the fact that my oldest is in school and could bring it home to him. If i give the boys this shot noone can tell me that they wont get sick from it. will they? what else can happen with the shot? HELPPPPPPP I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOO AGAINST IT BUT IS IT BETTER TO HAVE IT?

Here's a story that ISN'T getting much play in the news media. The Obama administration has deceived the American public about the availability of H1N1 vaccine. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/05/hhs-admits-overstating-flu-vaccine-availability/ Will this be Obama's Katrina? Will this be a bellwether for nationalized health care? I've read elsewhere that the insistence by the federal government for individual doses of the vaccine has slowed the production. The government doesn't want vials that physicians/health care workers could use to manually fill syringes on site. Will we see... " Obama Lies, people die" placards and bumper stickers?

sassykat...You are in such a dilemma. My heart goes out to you. One article I read said that those with respiratory problems that might be staph related seem to react the worst to H1N1. You can read anything on the internet... we all know that .,, good, bad to crazy info. If I had young children, I think I would self-quarantine. Keep them home. I wouldn't trust school officials or school nurses with the health/welfare of my children. Here's a link to the article about staph related lung problems and H1N1. It's from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm58e0929a1.htm You might ask your physician about this with your older child. Good luck to you.

I feel for the many parents who are still confused about H1N1 and how a vaccine may or may not provide some degree of protection. Personally, I feel the greatest fear is "fear itself." This aspect also feeds the absentee figures that communities like to proclaim as evidence of widespread H1N1 (usually untested). We may well see a more vigorous flu season, but influenza vaccines in general do not have the efficacy for healthy persons that are touted by most governmental agencies. This is confirmed by many studies from epidemiologists and virologists. Unfortunately, our government has mixed important public health issues with other agendas (both corporate and otherwise) which has done a disservice to the American people. There are vaccines considered "medically neccessary" such as during Smallpox pandemics, and then there are those of a "practical" nature (like hepatitis and influenza). This is an important distinction, and a line that has been crossed by recent pharmaceutical and government collaboration. There may be a time when we all will need a "medically neccessary" vaccine, but that time is not now. Hopefully, this "pandemic" will provide greater readiness in a time of real need, but due to the recent re-definition of "pandemic" by the W.H.O., this is another ambiguity which add to the confusion. When I hear that a vaccine is "manufactured in the same manner as all vaccines," it does nothing to address questions of safety and efficacy. Also, by directing these vaccines to target groups like young children specifically, it may tend to disrupt important immune system development that is crucial to keeping children protected through their adult lives. These are good questions to consider, and ones that do not receive the attention they deserve by health agencies that merely echo the W.H.O. proclamations. It has been reported that childhood vaccination schedules will double within the next 10 years to nearly 50 different vaccinations. We are an over-medicated, over-vaccinated, fearful society, driven by an out-of-balance Federal authority. Those who choose to expose themselves or their families to a vaccination program within such a setting take upon themselves extra risks well beyond H1N1 and that have yet to be fully evaluated.

Amazed...there is no hype. My pregnant daughter who could not get the vaccine actually has H1N1. Guess what happened? She went into premature labor at 7 months pregnant and had to be put on an IV to stop the contractions. Her cervix is soft and she is now at risk of having her son prematurely. She has been VERY sick since last Friday and has to go back today to be checked for viral pneumonia because she is NOT getting better. Her fever will NOT go down even with medication. I'm extremely frustrated with your comments about this.

ANYONE who is in a high risk group...GET VACCINATED if you can find the H1N1 vaccine.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/05/hhs-admits-overstating-flu-vaccine-availability/

Washington Times, November 5, 2009

HHS admits overstating flu-vaccine availability; Health officials refuse to offer new estimates

By Ann Geracimos

Two top officials at the Department of Health and Human Services acknowledged to a congressional panel Wednesday that the government had overpromised and made poor judgments on vaccination production against the current H1N1 flu pandemic.

The government's initial plan was to have 160 million doses available in October; the actual production at month's end was barely 15 percent of that -- 24.8 million doses.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/05/hhs-admits-overstating-flu-vaccine-availability/

This should be a major scandal.

What is even worse is that come PRIVATE practice clinics are getting like 12,000 vaccines they are charging for and are giving out to whoever can pay while the health department has less than half of that. I saw a report on CBS last night about this kind of thing happening. I'm furious with Bangor not offering the vaccine to pregnant women at the same time they were giving it to school children.

i work in a business where virus's spread quickly. before this year that did not bother me but now i live with my mother in law who nearly died this year from complications with her copd. i worry about bringing home the virus to her but i am not in an "at risk" catagory so i cannot get the vaccine.

i go agree to many americans are on the antibacterial kick. imho i think we are setting ourselves up for a true super bug that will kill a great many. probiotics are the big rage right now and its freaking bacteria ...... hellllloooooo

An excellent article on H1N1, by a lady with a PhD in Cell Biology, and published without corporate influence "Swine Flu Screw-up"

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/11/swine-flu-vaccine-screw

The degree of risk one assigns to becoming ill vs. being vaccinated is a matter of personal choice. For far too many, who have been sickened without access to the vaccine, the choice was made for them. This is unacceptable, and I am deeply sorry.

If it takes two weeks to take effect, the smaller kids need two doses, and we still have at least a two week wait, every kid will already have had it by the time the vaccination gets here. Ridiculous.

One thing needs to be cleared up....if you are getting the injectable vaccine, it's a DEAD virus. Total misnomer that you can get the flu from the flu shot. Only the nasal mist has "live" virus in it. Opinionated - I completely agree about the waiting. It's a joke.

All of the promises the government made about the availability of the vaccine have not materialized. Now they are rationing.

Exactly why we should not be pusing for a "public option" or a single payer health system. Just like everything else, they will never deliver what is promised. Yet people still think we will be better off.

wish BDN would have posted the "more than 20 schools" for parents & community members who may not know this info. My son started on tamiflu yesterday because he is high risk and cannot get the vaccine for at least another 2 weeks (if we decide to get it for him). We're doing everything we're supposed to eating healthy, extra vitamins, extra rest and taking extra precautions with our son but the sad fact is it still might not be enough for him. We just have to wait and see and hope our extra diligence will work.

I myself don't find this is hype. Its information and you can pay attention or disregard it. Your choice. This flu has the potential to be very dangerous & has been causing unusual problems for SOME that they don't see with the seasonal flu. A friends previously healthy child just spent a week in the hospital with this flu and it was very touch and go. He is home and recovering now. thank god.

You know no matter what they do they can't win. People would be ticked as hell if their loved one/friend came down with this and had severe complications or even died from this strain of flu and there hadn't been hardly any coverage in the media about it. We all know the regular seasonal flu can be dangerous but not for the groups that this strain has been hitting hard.

After reading the comments here, I have come to realize that the government is trying to kill us with flu shots. That would help balance the budget and decrease welfare payments, increase jobs, and increase the average IQ. What a stunningly treacherous approach. George Orwell must have left an outline for this maneuver.

lmao Native1710...I thoroughly enjoyed your sarcasm...your theory might be convincing if not for the fact that if the government kills us off with flu shots to save money they lose tax dollars too. It would just balance each other out and be a complete waste of time. While the government IS known for wasting time I think they are far too lazy to have ever planned it all out in the first place. :p

I for one have two children a divorced father, my kids are 4 and 6 i'm not big on the vaccine because it has not been tested on humans yet, if i was to give them a vaccine it would be the nasal spray, the reading i've done showed that the injection has squalene and thermosol, squalene has been linked to the gulf war syndrome and orally is the natural form of squalene, olive oil has squalene in it this is the good form, however by injection its not natural and makes your IGA immune system kick into high gear, they also have formaldehyde, phenol, and a small trace of mercury. I also read in many articles that its takes 12-18 months to create a vaccine to a virus and one company call Baxter lab received the seed culture in may of 2009 and would have the vaccine by july 2009. I'm no doctor but 95 percent of the soldiers that were given the vaccine that had squalene in it came back with gulf war syndrome, their symptoms were ulcers hair loss, seizures, night sweats, memory loss, rashes, hives, and many more. So i'm scared your damned if you do and your damned if you don't. Some doctors have said the best home remedy is vitamin D and omega 3 oils which lead to good circulation and your body working at 100 percent, the spray does not have the two key ingredients in it, it is a live strain but our body temperatures will not allow it to mutate. So i dont know what to do either but if my ex wife persists i will only do the nasal form on my children, i'm not taking a chance of long term side effects by an untested vaccine, i will not get the shot either, the more people that get the shot around you the less chance i will have of getting it!!

Anonymous blog submissions are hardly the place to get accurate information. Check: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/inoculation-misinformation/

On 11/5/09 at 1:48 AM, onemanarmy wrote:

I just got over the "H1N1" flu. people!!! Personally I am not getting the vaccine, who know's what's in it!

Of course you're not getting the vaccine, you already had the flu!! Duh

The reason for the scare is that the most affected population are children and young adults, rather than the elderly. This flu is more highly contagious than seasonal flu, although in many cases is not very severe.

As I suspected, a boat load of misinformation, some even non-factual, out there and "reported" here.

Onemanarmy, how did you know it was H1N1 you got? Agreed, it's probably too early for seasonal flu, so odds are it was. Are you in a high risk category? If not, that's probably the primary reason you came through it OK (and you have a good dose of antibodies for a few years to come).

Sassykat: see your Dr./pediatrician but I'll bet the recommendation weill for your kids to get the shots. Don't depend on these "experts".

Native1710: either beuuatifully sarcastic or totally paranoid.

Reality, and others. It has been tested. In humans. Other than the new strain covered, it's identical with previous vaccines. If you're paranoid about "the gorvernment" testing it, that's where the experts are. Are you prepared to test it? Any of your poorrly informed sources?

Huhinpi: granted there is danger of overuse of antibiotics for BACTERIAL conditions (especially non-bacterial conditions), but it's a different case with viruses like the flu. They mutate so rapdily that one vaccine will rapidly become resistant (and the vaccine will not be overused).

To everyone (especially the zealot critics), get more GOOD information on viral diseases and vaccinations in general and flu in partciluar. Remeber we're talking about relative risk and the risk of complications with any flu and especially H1N1 are significantly greater than any side affects that may or may not be attributed to the vaccines (as has been said, they take a while so you may get the fluy anyway and that could produce the symptoms). Sure, only a minority of flu patients have complications but the odds are significantly higher for suseptible poplulations, especially kids. Granted, a finite number of those vaccinated have complications but the numer is very small and not always attributable to the vaccine. Relative risk is way in favor or vaccination.

SSS, we all agree that personal hygeine and a good diet favor staying healthy (although Vitamin C isn't the panacea many think it is and there's even less data for D3) and we all should practice it. But, there's always the "other guy" (seen the stats on the number of people who don't wash their hands?) who we can't count on, so if you're susepatible, get the shot. If not, hat's off and congrats keep up the good work.

Bottom line: misinformation and paranoia does nobody any good, including you.

realty which shot had these chemicals in them I am a desert storm veteren and wondering which shots?

this is what this board is a pile of information, some people have good comments others whatever, i respect everyones findings, i'm not a doctor and neither are the other people commenting, my most useful source of info was webmd.com, and yes gopher there is alot of misleading information out there, but i'm not going to trust one person or doctors word i would ask many doctors like if i had a heart condition, so i enjoy reading these comments and some of the experiences people are having. For people that want to slam on others comments don't waste your time posting

Also everyone take solace that the detainees in guatanamo will be getting their vaccine before us susceptible americans. Thank you Obama and thank you for your change.

FYI the maine CDC has a chart on its website about school clinics, and my child's was indicated to be thimerisol free vaccine. Please check credible sources for these things. Anyway, she got the virus before she could get the vaccine. Yes, I'm sure it's H1N1. She is quite sick also.

On 11/5/09 at 10:13 AM, nobama2012 wrote:

Also everyone take solace that the detainees in guatanamo will be getting their vaccine before us susceptible americans. Thank you Obama and thank you for your change.

Source??? .....Credible Source??

Centaurmst - Get vaccinated? WHERE? I have called the Guilford, Dover and Dexter, no one has the shot available. I HAVE to work, I provide the insurance for my family. Therefore, I cannot take a whole day off to drive an hour to Bangor to stand in line, even though I would love to so I could get my kid vaccinated. He is 17 months and I can't get him vaccinated, they ordered them, but don't know when they will be in. I don't have the option to stay home with my kid and not send him to daycare! Is this the governments way of having population control? I am fearful for my son and me. And the schools in the area aren't allowing siblings to come and get the shots, THANKS SAD 4, much appreciated!

Reality - Think you need to do your research again! The shot DOES NOT have squalene or thermosol in them. Trust me, I have looked as my son does not have the option because he is under 2!

secretary of defence. Credible enough?

Yes, If that is the case, where can I find this info?

also obama gave news release last friday night. Any surprise not alot of people heard this. I just love a fully open and honest white house.

go to cnn or fox or any news channel and search for gitmo detainees to receive h1n1 vaccine. Its scary I wish I was making this crap up.

I hope they had the decency to at least vaccinate the troops guarding them as well. That would be criminal to let our troops get sick and protect the prisoners, at Gitmo or any prison..

nobama2012 not all the troops were given the vaccination but when they came back and developed the symptoms the troops that had the vaccination with squalene had been diagnosed with the gulf war syndrom. I'm no doctor i just read various articles and try to put some pieces together to get my own opinion, it didn't specify what the exact name for the shot was. You can google ingredients in the h1n1 vaccine, there is alot of garbage there but i think there is some truth behind it, and i believe the government and pharmaceutical companies are benefiting $$$$ from it, my opionion though

This administration is much like the last watch what they do not what they say.

(CBS)White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs denied today that terrorism suspects in the prison at Guantanamo Bay are receiving vaccinations for the H1N1 flu.

"There is no vaccine in Guantanamo, and there's no vaccine on the way to Guantanamo," Gibbs said during his daily press briefing.

Amid a shortage of the vaccine, the Miami Herald first reported last week that the Pentagon would offer the vaccine to the Guantanamo prisoners.

A military spokesman confirmed the report. Army Maj. James Crabtree said the vaccine would arrive at the prison this month and first go to guards. It would then be offered to inmates "entirely on a voluntary basis."

"I don't know what the Pentagon said," Gibbs said today. "I know, in asking yesterday, whether or not there was any vaccine there or whether there was any vaccine that was on its way, the answer to both those questions was no."

Gibbs added that the White House did not stop the Pentagon from shipping the vaccine to the prison -- "there wasn't any there, and there wasn't any on the way," he said.

Only 28 million doses of vaccine were available by the end of the October, rather than the expected 40 million doses, presidential adviser David Axelrod said on CBS Nrews' Face the Nation.

"We will have all the vaccine we need in very order," Axelrod said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/03/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5511876.shtml

Thanks reality i will research this information. I've had no symptoms of gulf war syndrome but would love to know if I was injected with this in case down the line my kids or grandkids come down with strange illnesses.

No matter what you think about Swine Flu (pandemic or hoax or "just" another flu) and no matter what your stance is on the vaccination: the most important issue for ALL flu's (and viruses) is to PREVENT it by good hygeine and distancing. Which in schools is kind of an oxymoron! We can repeatedly tell our kids to wash their hands, sneeze into their sleeve and keep away from others who are coughing and sneezing, but go into any school and see how much of that is actually occurring. Right. They're kids. Teachers & aides & adminstrators can only do so much policing of hygeine... it's unrealistic to expect very much. I find it kind of amusing these people who claim never to get sick and crediting their diets/lack of vaccinating. I'm not going to discount the importance of a healthy diet & lifestyle, but if you have children in school, I don't care how well you take care of yourself, you get viruses shared with you all the time. It sucks, but there it is. My big concern is that for those of us who WANT the vaccine, and beleive our at-risk children &/or pregnancies should be getting it FIRST, are NOT GETTING IT. I'm not panicking, but I'm hyper-aware of flu symptoms, and I think it is prudent for everyone to be. Even if this is not a pandemic, flu's of any type are still very serious to those in high-risk groups, and we deal with this every season, every year. Best case scenario for me is that H1N1 will not a pandemic but that more people will practice good hygeine for a change. Wow. What a concept.

P.S. I think everyone should consider doing their shopping on-line this Christmas season, sorry area merchants, maybe you should consider placing hand sanitizer at strategic places throughout your establishment, open super early and stay open super late to spread out the crowd situation...? Better yet, put up a website. We'll be staying home, thank you.

concernsme funnny they changed there story only after the outcry from public. Dont trust this administration they are as dirty as they get. They will say and do anything and the liberal media will continue to cover for them. They are no diffrent from the previous administration the only diffrence is they have the media in there back pocket who will run with whatever bs they give them.

Well, apparently the source was not the Sec of Defense as you stated. It was an army major. If I posted this story and it came from Fox would you believe it then? is CBS too liberal?

FYI for parents whose kids are getting the shots thru the schools and are getting their info from the maine cdc site about the flu clinics.. the link for that list is

http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/boh/maineflu/fluclinics/index.shtml

For my sons school Thimerosal free shots are listed as being provided on the Maine CDC website clinic list. We got the paperwork on Tuesday from the school. The choices given are the Nasal Spray and the Vaccine. The information listed says that the Nasal Spray does NOT contain thimerosal BUT the Injected Vaccine contains the preservative called Thimerosal. There is NO option for a thimerosal free shot in the paperwork. So make sure you double check with your childs school if the thimerosal is of concern to you. Proof right in my hand that whats stated on the Maine CDC website is not reliable.

no i'm sure the shot doesn't have squalene or thermosol in it, just google it every page online says it has it in it, we eat many things every day that have squalene in it, but by injection has different effects, lab testing on animals showed vast diseases showing up. Another site was Vactruth.com read that, and NOBAMA2012 the vaccine was for anthrax.......

so you believe cbs over a us military officer and the department of defense. well i guess I should'nt be suprised. Im just guessing you are a loyal obama follower and liberal with contempt for the military but Im not going to get pulled into partisan politics I think both parties are equally corrupted. im sorry am not a lemming who follows these jokers off a cliff.also i didn't think I seperated fox news from the rest of the news websites. The only good thing I can say about fox news is they dont cowher to the obama administrations bullying unlike the other news agencies.I am ex military and use to laugh at these news agencies of how totally misinformed they were on dod issues during my tenure.

SANDYL, good post,

thanks realty. Unfortunatly I had the first of two anthrax shots. Thanks for the info.

and yes they were vaccinating the troops in gitmo which I have no problem with, but as for the detainees screw them until everyone else is vaccinated.

NOBAMA2012, go to vactruth.com i think you will find that site interesting, has some pretty good info and some library sites attachments with it

Reality - go to http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-safe?page=3 It clearly states that their are three kinds of shots and the only shot that contains thermosol is the multi vial kind.

midnight23f, its squalene i'm more worried about, and the articles also stated that there is no proof that no harm will come from the vaccine because it hasn't been tested enough, all i know is if it has an effect on a lab rat then something will come out of it, i.m with the comment at the beginning from RESTORETHEREPUBLIC, i'm going to self medicate and pop the vitamin d and the omega 3 oils to me, i've read alot about it, i've had the flu twice in ten years.......i guess we need to get the real answers and you'll never find it the web md article is very good info has the pros and cons and the what if's well the what if's scare me, and yes MIDNIGHT i'd already read that article last week which is why these kids at school don't get much cholce other than the spray or the shot, one posted article showed that the shot did contain thermosol so you can only read and believe what you want, the school has also sent me a letter stating the same facts for my 6 yr old about thermosol

midnight23f...I feel your frustration...we went through the same thing. My pregnant daughter...on top of the list of at risk people couldn't get the vaccine and we live right in Bangor. The one they had was for school kids only. They did not do a clinic for pregnant women. Since my daughter's OB/GYN has their office inside a hospital there were different rules for getting vaccines in the office...so hard that they couldn't get them despite telling all patients to get vaccinated. My daughter is now sick because she couldn't get vaccinated. I find it SO disturbing that people are telling people not to get the vaccine. That's why I told what has happened to us so that those who CAN get the shot will at least think seriously about getting it instead of believing all the hysterical nonsense being posted discouraging people to get the vaccine.

I hope you are able to get your son vaccinated soon.

The Swine Flu Vaccine conspiracy theories is evolution in action. In this case, stupid is deadly.

midnight23f...did you call Rite Aid and other pharmacies in the area to see if they are doing any flu shot clinics? I would do that...they might be able to help you.

i'm not discouraging the vaccination, i'm just not having my kids get the shot if i do anything i will go with the nasal vac because its lacking some ingredients thats all,

Centaumyst - I haven't called Rite Aid, I will. I hope your daughter and baby get better soon and all ends well!

Reality - I understand, it is so stressful and confusing. My son does not have the option of the either or, he is under two, therefore he has to have the shot. I haven't heard the side effects it had on lab rats? Where do I go to find out about that? I also heard that the nasal had squalene in it? Who knows you read something somewhere and listen to something different somewhere else. I just want my son to be safe this winter. I know you want the same. I am going to have an ulcer before this winter is over!

We have four children still living at home. Two of them have Swine Flu right now. All children but the youngest have all their standard childhood vaccinations. We don't do flu vaccines for obvious reasons (see posts above). Our 8-year-old has been sick since Halloween night but he's much better. Started with "my head feels fuzzy, Mommy" to a sore throat and then a fever (that took 5 days to break, highest reading being 102.2 about 36 hours after first symptoms appeared), pretty heavy throat congestion, vomiting on morning of day 3 (from the congestion) and a few hours of diarrhea right after the fever finally broke on day 5 (yesterday). Congestion turned runny last night and post-nasal-drip had him coughing pretty badly. The youngest (3) got sick night before last. He has a very low-grade fever and heavy throat congestion but is otherwise active and doing very well. He has not been immunized for anything yet (we're waiting until he's older and he is not in daycare so it low-risk) and he has an incredible immune system. He almost never gets sick and, when he does, it usually lasts 24-36 hours. This is the longest he's been sick (about 48 hours) ever. Our treatment? We don't give Tylenol or any other fever reducer unless the fever hits 103. The body uses the fever to kill the invaders. Why mess with that? Our doctor (local) agrees with us. We've been giving them 1,000 mg / day of both Vitamins C and D in the morning as well as their multi-vitamin at night. LOTS of fluids to flush out the system (I've been giving them Sprite, which I normally don't do but it's a treat so they slurp it right down), a quiet room and comfy bed with their favorite TV shows, and tons of love and hugs. We also encourage big, deep coughs to keep their lungs clear. We make a game out of it with the toddler - see who can cough the loudest and deepest and longest. He thinks it's a hoot. They're going to pull through just fine. Quite honestly, we're very happy to get this out of the way now so we don't have to keep freaking out each time the media spouts the statistics. We're in our 40s and apparently immune. Doc says we either had Swine Flu in the 70s, or were vaccinated against it back then, or were exposed to it enough to gain partial or even full immunity. I hope this helps other parents who may be wondering about their children's current symptoms and what they can do to help them recover. Biggest thing to look for, according to our doc, is a sudden downhill slide after the child appeared to have previously been getting better, and also rapid breathing or difficulty breathing (which would indicate pneumonia). Also, others who have children with it has reported relapse if the child is allowed to return to school too early or if the child is otherwise allowed to resume normal activities before their immune system has had time to recover after the fight.

P.S. Please research the side effects of Tamiflu or other anti-virals before giving them to your children!

WHAT'S IN A FLU SHOT? Egg proteins and viruses linked to

autoimmune diseases and cancers; Gelatin and Polysorbate

80 (Tween80): known to cause allergic reactions

and anaphylaxis; Formaldehyde: known carcinogen, used

to preserve corpses; Triton X100: a strong detergent; Resins:

known to cause allergic reactions; Gentamycin: an antibiotic;

Thimerosal: Mercury linked to autism, Alzheimers’, MS, and

Parkinson’s Disease—far deadlier when injected into your

blood than when you eat tuna fish; Aluminum neurotoxin

See: fluscam.com; google: Dr. Blaylocks's site and "paralyzed by flu shot".

You're being lied to-what else is new?

midnight, i just went to various sites and read up on some dr's comments, what OTHERWISE just wrote is alot of the stuff i was reading, i look for consistency in what i read and repetitivness, i got some info from fluscam, but alot of other sources too, just found out a guy i work with his child got diagnosed and my girlfriends boy just had to leave his school today, there are 18 kids in the class with him gone now just in 2 days there are 6 left, but the schools don't want kids there if the kids are sick, could be just the flu who knows. so with that said if he has it my kids have been exposed now, but for anyone to just come on here and say its 100 percent safe is a joke, there isn't enough evidence to prove it, but for me i'm going to let mother nature work itself out, squalene is not something you want injected into your body everything you read will tell you that, thats what scares me i guess

Centaurmyst 6:A53 AM~ As I have very CLEARY stated in the past, I understand your daughters particular issue. I am against the INGREDIENTS of Thimerosal and Squalene in these vaccines and advise people who need to have flu vaccines to get them, but to make certain to opt for the vaccines without those two ingredients.

Our government chose to NOT vaccinate those who NEEDED this vaccine first... that was their choice, not mine. Our government also chose to purchase more of the vaccines which which included both Thimerosal and Squalene rather than those vaccines without those ingredients... again not my choice!

Please make sure you read my stance CLEARLY this time, and please don't twist my words. BTW, I do wish your daughter and grand-baby well and will certainly keep them in my thoughts and prayers.

huhiinpi 7:33 AM~ We have two ways of controlling germs/viruses/ etc... we either wash our hands with soap and water or we use antibacterials take your pick. The choice to utilize vaccines without those two deadly ingredients (Thimerosal and Squalene), can be accomplished if we DEMAND it be done!!

I would gladly take a vaccine without those two ingredients in them, if the vaccines have been adequately tested.

Gopher 10:00 AM~ 3rd paragraph "Don't depend on these "experts". I know that you are NOT an expert on this matter, so to be advising others to not go with their gut or common sense and vaccinate their children anyway without questioning the many reason why some who have been vaccinated have gotten very ill or have died from vaccines, is very irresponsible of you, just as it is of our government and pharmaceutical companies.

The comment in your 5th paragraph: "It has been tested in humans", is also irresponsible. How many vaccines have been "tested" and the results hidden by the pharmaceutical industry as well as our government? Take note of those in the military who are literally used as human guinea pigs and have suffered greatly due to some vaccines. The consequences they have suffered have been literally been ignored and toted as "unfounded" to avoid having to support and care for these individuals.

What about those who have IRAK4 ? The pharmaceutical industry needs to step up to the plate and be responsible and proactive in serving those individuals too, which by the way there are a HUGE number of. We have 1 out of every 5 children with IRAK4 and many adults who have suffered irreversible damage and consequences from these vaccines and I'm very certain that if your child was one of them Gopher, you would be the first in line to file a law suit and join the club of those who have already fallen victim to this atrocity.

For those of you who believe that all doctors have all the answers; your false sense of security is amusing at best. Many doctors get their information from JAMA, the government or pharmaceutical companies. Look how often patients are misdiagnosed due to inadequate quacks or inadequate information given to them by their proclaimed sources. Mind you, I am not saying that all doctors are quacks, but I am saying that their sources are not always reliable. Look at the history of medicine and vaccines, and their tragedies. How many folks have walked out of an emergency room and fallen dead after walking out of the ER, being told they were not having a heart attack? How many women took Thalidomide to prevent morning sickness and ended up having children born without arms, legs or who were severely deformed because of this drug? How many prescription medications have been "supposedly tested" and found to be "safe", only to have to take those drugs off the market because they were causing heart-attacks or even death in a number of patients.

We don't have a perfect system, but the things we do know about vaccines (ie: they can "trigger" neurological problems in a sector of our population, and even cause some to be paralyzed or die etc...), should be noted and for those individuals a variance in vaccines should be made available to them.

Midnight23F 10:18 AM~ Your sources are not completely correct. Some vaccines given do have Thimerosal and or Squalene in them, others do not. One must be very diligent about asking for the vaccine without either of those two ingredients.

Thank God we live in a free country where we can state our thoughts, vote and force changes without retribution. Personally, I will not take any vaccine with Thimerosal or Squalene in it or any vaccine that has not been adequately tested as I cannot risk those ingredients causing more irreversible damage to my already compromised body Anyone who wishes to be vaccinated with ingredients which contain Mercury, by all means knock yourself out and good luck down the road!

SandyL 10:33 AM~ I commend you for taking the time to make certain that what you had read on the CDC site about your son's school providing Thimerosal and Squalene free vaccines was actually incorrect when you read the paperwork. One must be very diligent in their observations.

Way to go CDC... we should trust your judgement... right. You've given a perfect example of the many reason's why we should not always trust you.

Amazed, well put, nailed it on the head, your info is consistent with some that i have gotten, i will not get the shot with those ingredients either, open forum with open comments well done, but some people give tylenol to their kids like there lolipops, if i have pain i get thru it, i dont take pain killers i take it easy and let my body go through the motions, but some people on here are taking it the wrong way, do some research get some opionons, one good insight that i got was that usually it takes 12-18 months to get a vaccine made, and baxter lab did it in 2 -3 months??? Some of the side effects from therosol and squalene are not immeditate but its the potential and the "There is no proof" that makes me lean to no injection for me, also there are many toxins in it, my word for it is the dirty needle,

Angela: Thanks for the info! We have a 10 month old and we're chosing not to vaccinate against H1N1, and your post makes me feel much better about that decision. I don't appreciate how an informative discussion ALWAYS turns into an Obama bash by you ridiculous right-winged nuts! Take it somewhere else, because it's certainly not doing any of us any good.

As a parent we are all very protective of our children, first instinct is get the vaccine because something really bad is happening, but if you google ingredients in the h1n1 vaccine read it all, your damned if you do and your damned if you don't, your kid gets sick because you chose not to get the vaccine, or you get the vaccine and your child could get sick anyway or the long term side affects from the vaccine, and by my reading me and my ex wife are deciding NO vaccine, we are going to team up and monitor our kids and pack them full of vitamins everyday, my children are big on cleaning their hands as well, vitamin D and C build up the immune system and make sure their getting lots of sleep, this is my choice and everyone is free to make their own. But myself i can't put this in my kids system when you can't get a staight answer from your government or your doctors, the pharmeceutical companies have no liability......... which means if your kid gets sick from the vaccine or paralyzed or whatever you can't go back on them, so my feeling is my kids are not going to be test dummies not worth taking the chance

AHHHHHHHHHH RUN PEOPLE. WHY ARE YOU SITTING ON YOUR SILLY MACHINES WHEN THERE IS NOTHING SHORT OF BIBLICAL DISEASE COMING. WERE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality 1:58 PM~ Thank you. It's very important to look at both sides of this issue and come up with common sense and strategic decisions that will work for everyone. The "one size fits all" mentality isn't working and we all need to let doctors, pharmaceutical companies and our government know that we are not stupid folks who are going to follow their every command without question.

In the 1960's the government had the big push on "their" shots" now the baby boomers are dying left and right from cancer.

Just heard a while ago the government is going to try again to force shots on people. What early deaths will that bring on? If they want to de populate why not pay people who don't have children the big tax break?

I have a sib who works in a Dr office,she refused the shot with great argueing from her bosses. She is the only one who didn't get sick.

Wash your hands a lot especially after using a bathroom. Make it illegal to spit all over the place.

I was my deck down with alcohol many times a day, because people use it when I'm away from it.

My child had the H1N1 shot and I’m not worried one bit. Seems I should fell privileged that my child was able to receive the shot as some want it for their child(ren) and are unable to get the vaccine.

Kevin_of_Bangor 4:45 PM~ I'm glad that your child appears to be well. Did you ask for a vaccine that didn't have Thimerosal or Squalene in it? Just curious.

being diabetic and asthmatic, I had the shot. About 2 weeks ago now and I haven't had any reactions.

Glad to hear that Donnelly.

We must look at the long term side affects of Thimerosal and Squalene causing neurological damage in later years too. All side affects are not immediate.

Attn: jaymelynn300 - One of the dangers of babies getting the flu is that they can't adequately (productively) cough to clear their throat and lungs. You can encourage them to do this by gently rubbing the front of their neck near their adam's apple. This creates enough of a "tickle" to get a good cough going. :) Our 3-year-old's fever is going up this evening (100.4) and he has a headache and a lot of throat congestion. He's too cranky to play the coughing game but the throat tickle is doing the trick. I'm also letting him "wash it down" (gross but true) with Sprite so he's happy about that. He no longer wants his chewable vitamin C tablets, probably because they hurt his sore throat. So, hubby went out for gummy vitamins for him.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/inoculation-misinformation/

The vaccine does NOT have squalene.

Thimerosal prevents contamination to make the vaccine safer.

PLEASE check the above link to read the actual FACTS about the vaccine.

Great advice Angela 6:49 PM... you've given some great tips for parents who's child may get a flu or cold.

Pretty much everyone who gets a fever has a higher fever at night than they do during the day. Body temperature rises naturally in the evening, so a fever that was slight during the day can easily spike during sleep.

Try a dose of acetaminophen, wait half an hour, and check the temperature again. If it hasn't begun to come down and your child is older than a year, give your child some ibuprofen, too. You can use these medications together, separated by half an hour. Just remember that acetaminophen can be given every four hours, and ibuprofen can be given every six to eight hours. Keep track of the times and doses by writing them down. You can also give your child a room-temperature bath to help cool him/her down. Definitely help him/her stay hydrated by offering some water, formula (or breast milk if they are babies), before they go back to sleep. If the fever does not go down, call your pediatrician, otherwise, call the doctor in the morning to check in.

Centaurmyst 6:59 PM~ Some of these vaccines do have squalene, some do not and perhaps it depends on what area of the country one lives in or the maker of the vaccine as to the ingredients put in them.

Please read Sandy L's comment at 10:33 AM.

NONE of these vaccines NEED to have Thimerosal in them if they are kept refrigerated. Thimerosal does prevent contamination, but one must weigh the consequences of contamination against the consequences of a child suffering from permanent brain damage, paralysis or even death due to the Thimerosal. Since we have 1 in 5 children who have been diagnosed with Autism, I personally would much rather have the vaccine without the Thimerosal.

Centaurmyst, how is your daughter and grand-baby doing?

Thanks, Gopher, for the post (((11/5/10:00AM))). My vitamin intake is not focused on "C" alone, or "D". I take in vitamins from many fruits, vegetables and other sources of nourishment daily. Actually, Gopher, I feel and look great! Yes...I DO wash my hands a lot. At home and in the office, we have our separate toilets and washbasins, etc and we always order hypoallergenic hospital hand-wash used for surgery rooms available at our business office and home too. I guess hand-washing and trying to stay away from others who may have potentials of the flu are important.

nobama said something here...that Gitmo Detainees to receive the H1N1 shot? Yes! Plus all prisoner's in state institutions and confinee's in state-operated mental institutions and hospitals get theirs, too. Before the general public received theirs! Crime and idiocy does pay, I guess. (And Gitmo soldiers and inmates ARE getting the shots).

http://remixxworld.blogspot.com/2009/08/what-ingredients-are-in-h1n1-swine-flu.html

Centuramyst, please see a list of ingredients from the various pharmaceutical companies. As I stated earlier, some do put Thimerosal and Squalene, some just Thimerosal, and some have neither Thimerosal or Squalene.

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/103009_vaccine_sterility_immunotoxicity_neurotoxicity.shtml

This is another list for you to look at:

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/103009_vaccine_sterility_immunotoxicity_neurotoxicity.shtml

On 11/5/09 at 10:49 AM, nobama2012 wrote:

so you believe cbs over a us military officer and the department of defense. well i guess I should'nt be suprised. Im just guessing you are a loyal obama follower and liberal with contempt for the military

You have no idea about me. Questioning your source only says I don't believe everything I hear without checking it out myself. Does that make me a liberal? Nope.

Im not going to get pulled into partisan politics I think both parties are equally corrupted.

I agree with you there.

I don't follow just one site, cbs is where I found that quote. I just asked it if was too liberal for you. I actually believe some things that come from fox, I just verify it elsewhere.

if you want to hear some really good news about these vaccines go to:

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/092909_h1n1_expert_immune_system_reactions.shtml

If you think it's not about money, think again!

On 11/5/09 at 1:34 PM, Amazed wrote: "Gopher 10:00 AM~ 3rd paragraph "Don't depend on these "experts". I know that you are NOT an expert on this matter, so to be advising others to not go with their gut or common sense and vaccinate their children anyway without questioning the many reason why some who have been vaccinated have gotten very ill or have died from vaccines, is very irresponsible of you, just as it is of our government and pharmaceutical companies."

Me irresponsible? I'm not an MD but I am a scientist. What are your credentials for handing out medical advice? Are you willing to assume responsibility for your recommendations? Note that I advised parents to consult their doctors (or don't you trust them either?). I also strongly recommend good hygeine and other wise health practices.

You and I have tussled over thimerosal and squalene before. Squalene especially is not "deadly". Good grief, it's in all livers including yours. Refrigeration may or may not slow the deterioration/bacterial infection of the vaccines, themerosal does. Show us the data (full citaions acceptable) that shows that the dose of thimerosal is hazardous. Links to autism? Not. Other conditions? Not established. Your source of ingredients (how valid is it?) also lists aluminum compounds as neurotoxins. Definitely disproven, 20 years ago, and now in the realm of urban myth. Seems as though you're "doctoring" without a licesnse. I'm not.

Cute ploy, bring up the red herring of prisoner shots. Getting desperate to bash the Obama administration? Several others don't seem to be willing to "trust" the "governement" even though the medical basis for the advice and policy is superior to the other sources they're using.

Reality, sorry for not reading your posts but I find them very difficult to read.

Gopher, you're not a scientist... you worked at Jackson Lab as a "gopher" for God's sakes. Stop lying... you are now unemployed due to the cutbacks. Obviously you don't know who I am, but I do know who you are!!

Yes, we have "tussled" over Thimerosal and Squalene on many occasions... If you choose to inject your body with Thimerosal (Mercury), you go right ahead and do just that. Have you ever heard of IRAK4 Gopher AKA MDIGuy? (Prior to me mentioning it on these posts?) No of course not.

Yes, Squalene is a natural organic compound and humans do produce it. It's used in vaccines to stimulate the immune system and increase the response to the vaccine and it has been related to Gulf War Syndrome, Lupus, Autoimmune Arthritis and other autoimmune disorders. Sometimes too much of a good thing, isn't really good for the human body. For example, if you gave the body too much Vitamin A it can cause many adverse effects such as; orange skin, blurred vision and nausea. Vitamin A toxicity can cause more severe symptoms such as growth retardation, hair loss, enlarged spleen or liver and even death. Excessive Vitamin A use during pregnancy can even cause birth defects.

I haven't bashed Obama or any other administration for that matter, so I don't know what you're talking about.

I put this information out there to help others make informed decisions and also because of the many coverups and lies that our pharmaceutical companies and government tell innocent and unsuspecting people who otherwise wouldn't know anything about the wrongs that have been committed. I understand that some people have no choice in the matter... but we can force these pharmaceutical companies to make changes and protect our families from atrocities.

As far as who I am and exactly what my capacity is, that will not be disclosed now or in the future. This is a comment section and I truly try to make comments that I hope will be beneficial to those who read them. Now sir, you can walk away, and don't let the door hit you in the A$$ on the way out. Thank you.

Angela: Thanks for the tip! Coughing is definitely something we're concerned about. Hope your babies are on the mend!

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/inoculation-misinformation/

Get FACTS about the H1N1 vaccine at the above url.

in regards to websites...the ONLY urls you can REALLY trust to have accurate information are the ones ending in .gov or .org because you have to be a legitimate entity to get those url addresses. You CANNOT rely on ANY .com url as providing accurate information because ANYONE can get a .com url and put up anything they want to.

GOPHER, squalene is in our bodies yes we also take it orally like olive oil has squalene, but squalene is not meant or is our body supposed to take it from a un-natural form which is by injection................sorry you couldnt read my posts i'm trying to work at the same time trying to keep a job but very interested in this topic the same...

Centaurmyst 1:48 PM~ So we should believe every website that ends in .gov or .org? I'm afraid you are living life through rose colored glasses.

This is what is written in the "ABOUT" section of factcheck.org. :

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.

I'll stick to my medical knowledge and various forms of information that I get from several sources. So far I've been served very well by all.