OMG~~Is this going to be a day or what~~~OMG ^red^^str^

I am not starting this one for sure dang straight I ain`t

James E. Frye,

During the previous 8 years, George Bush manipulated the price of gasoline to make billions for his "Oil Buddies".

No one (in the media) seems to be able to explain it this time.

ElectraGlide---what does ^red^^str^ mean?

Stephanie Schreiber,

I look forward to seeing your referendum question on the ballot so the people of Maine can decide.

Good luck with your signature gathering.

When the votes have been counted, we'll accept the will of the people!

That's what I do!

Stephanie Schreiber has a great letter. I tried to make the same point here in the comments pages several days back but of course, the Yes on 1ers all avoided explaining why they are not out to destroy the Maine lobster industry or why that aren't calling for the death sentence for people who go to work on the Sabbath day as the bible also demands. But no. Silence. Never an answer to that hypocrisy.

On 11/6/09 at 7:55 PM, captainandy wrote:

Stephanie Schreiber,

I look forward to seeing your referendum question on the ballot so the people of Maine can decide.

Good luck with your signature gathering.

When the votes have been counted, we'll accept the will of the people!

That's what I do!

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To bad everyone couldn't do the same capt.

captainandy, the point is, why aren't all the Yes on 1ers out to try to enforce all the other stuff that the bible presumes to outlaw. Why aren't the bible thumpers trying to destroy the lobstering industry since the bible clearly says that they should. Why aren't all the yes on 1ers out there demanding that those who work on the sabbath be put to death?

Why?

James E. Frye - As the government prints more and more money, our dollar continues to devaluate against world currencies. It's all part of their scheme to bankrupt America so we'll have to join the world union in order to survive. But, then, Maine voted for this mess when they voted for Obama, so y'all can't complain too much.

Stephanie Schreiber - You know not of what you speak. The Yes on One voters did not take one obscure verse out of the Bible. There are many throughout the Bible that were used. As for God's ban on shellfish, He knows that lobsters are just giant cockroaches anyway.

Timothy O’Brien - Casino's make a few people very rich and many, many people dirt poor. But, that's the way Satan works his magic.

HRH419 since the bible clearly says that eating shellfish is a sin, why aren't you out there leading the charge to destroy the lobstering industry?

JohnBuck~~It means I voted NO with the red part of the State

And I am a Straight Male ^red^^srt/m^ hey dang that is even better.

Hope You got your deer.

Does anyone that listens to CR music by Tim McCraw and the song Southern Voice.

What does "Jesus is my Friend and America is my Country" mean to you??<<<

What is the entire message of the song bottom line ???<<

Hoping to have a great day to be alive in the ole neighborhood.

((:~o) )) ^red^^str/m^

Why is HRH also not out there trying to destroy the scallop and claming and mussel industry? Why does HRH tolerate the sale of such abominations in supermarkets and restaurants? Could it be that bible thumpers simply pick and choose what they want to accept from the bible based on their own prejudices?

I don`t know about you *crasyfingers*~~~but i have no intention of eating another Maine Lobsta. 2 reasons the vote of most Lobstamen and the fact as someone that believes in the Spirit of God I have turned enough cheeks and I am not even gay.

Now that is just my personel boycott. As with the inferior Maine Spud that I have supported when I actually like alot of different State Spuds.

Now as far as other personel boycotts I will just have to see on a 1-1 basis of stores and my consumer needs.

As I know alot of business people supported the red side. And I do not that to be the case for lobsta and Spuds.

And I don`t believe (( CaptainAndy )) for a Second of what he will do if he lost.

And HRH419 I don`t believe you either. You both are hiding behind something then the bible and the word marriage.

((:~o) )) ^red^^str/m^

Hey all you No on 1 folks - you lost, get over it. Mainers recognize homosexuality for what it really is - gross, perverted, abomination, unnatural, and an absolutely dead end lifestyle.

"Why aren't the bible thumpers trying to destroy the lobstering industry since the bible clearly says that they should."

Because they have a secret pact with the dairy farmers to help them get rid of their milk waste product-------BUTTER!

It must be true because I heard it from a guy who has a sister who knew a man whose brother was a salesman and his car broke down near a farm up in the County. The farmer wispered it to him. Since they voted 75% "Yes", there's all the proof you need.

pssstt....pass it on.......

I am all for putting it to the people to vote on eating lobsters. I also am in favor of letting the people decide to eat steaks. Heck, I think the people should decide whether we should have surf and turf. Sorry if I don't quote the bible since I am not a bible reader but people voting on eating lobster has nothing to do with a bible, it does have something to do with the people using the democratic process to voice their opinion and have their say. Agree with an outcome or not, the people have spoken. Call them bigots or hateful, depends on which side of the issue one is on is usually what dictates who is what anyway. The vote is OVER. Now the side who lost can gear up for another run at it and maybe will have better luck in the future.

neocon wrote: "Hey all you No on 1 folks - you lost, get over it. Mainers recognize homosexuality for what it really is - gross, perverted, abomination, unnatural, and an absolutely dead end lifestyle."

Why are you also not out there trying to ban lobster, clam, scallop and mussel sales and consumption?

Timothy O`Brian~~~You are so much out of touch about gambling. I know I know heard it before 8 0r 9 dollors jobs are not your cup of tea.

Why don`t you go ask the people in Hollywood Slots that have them jobs what they thing. Bet you do not dare to. Or anyone else that is againts gambling in Maine. Half of you probably buy Lotto`s.

BTW if you haven`t noticed Maine lost it good reputation a couple of days ago.

I`m surprised the sign coming into Maine hasn`t been changed to

@ Welcome to Maine the Hatefull Bigot State of Your Dreams @ ^red^^str/m^

Dear Yes-on-1-in-Maine-2009:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have

learned a great deal from your followers, and try to share that knowledge

with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual

lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly

states it to be an abomination. End of debate....

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other

specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a

pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They

claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus

21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her

period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I

tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female,

provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine

claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2

clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him

myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an

abomination - Lev. 11:10, he insists it is a lesser abomination than

homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a

defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my

vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around

their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How

should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me

unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different

crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two

different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse

and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of

getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we

just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people

who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can

help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and

unchanging.

Your devoted fan

captainandy wrote: "Because they have a secret pact with the dairy farmers to help them get rid of their milk waste product-------BUTTER!

It must be true because I heard it from a guy who has a sister who knew a man whose brother was a salesman and his car broke down near a farm up in the County. The farmer wispered it to him. Since they voted 75% "Yes", there's all the proof you need.

pssstt....pass it on......."

See the non-answer. Bible thumpers are hypocrites who pick and choose what to use from the bible based on their own prejudices.

LilMikey wrote: " I am all for putting it to the people to vote on eating lobsters. I also am in favor of letting the people decide to eat steaks. Heck, I think the people should decide whether we should have surf and turf. Sorry if I don't quote the bible since I am not a bible reader but people voting on eating lobster has nothing to do with a bible, it does have something to do with the people using the democratic process to voice their opinion and have their say. Agree with an outcome or not, the people have spoken. Call them bigots or hateful, depends on which side of the issue one is on is usually what dictates who is what anyway. The vote is OVER. Now the side who lost can gear up for another run at it and maybe will have better luck in the future."

In other words, throw out the Bill of Rights.

LilMikey~~~That is what is going on as you say. Gearing up for the future. So the losers will naturally be going in opposite diredtions

If people that voted yes don`t like what is going on here they sure got the right not to be here.

And if they are here then the no voters have a right to try to show them why they were wrong from their view point.

And If you cannot see how nasty the yes side is compared to the no side then I do not know what to say.

Thanks for trying in your way to try to come to a common ground.

But there is no compromise on Equality and as far as I`m concerned you should know it.

If you are the military person you stated you were earliar in some post.

Later gator ^red^^str/m^

Crazyfingers~~What is that Bill of Rights thang~~I think I asked you once upon a time

No answer ^str/m^^Red^

ElectraGlide wrote: "Crazyfingers~~What is that Bill of Rights thang~~I think I asked you once upon a time"

Oh, you know. According to Bush it's just a piece of paper with some strange stuff in it like the Establishment Clause that bars government from implementing religious laws and policies, the Free Exercise clause that makes sure that individuals can freely practice their religion, the two together amounting to separation of church and state, and then that pesky 14th Amendment that requires states to practice Equal Protection of the law. Just silly old liberal stufff, of no concern to a true (TM) christian.

"No answer ^str/m^^Red^"

What does that mean?

Okay, let me put it in a different way. Instead of whining about how terrible the people who voted yes are and carrying on about it, begin your new campaign now. Evidently the no side did a lousy job trying to convince people to vote in their favor. You can cite the bill of rights, the constitution, the bible, or gunga din for all I care. You can blame religious groups, outside groups and howdy doody.The bottom line is it came down to a vote being taken and it was up to each side to wiin that vote. The no vote came up short. It's history, fini, over. This vote is past tense. The groundwork was started though now do something about it . This is begining to sound more like the dems and republicans playing who is more evil.

crazyfingers~~~I thought i heard of stuff like that, maybe in school in 62 to 66.

As I stated above ^red^ means the section of the state I voted with and ^str/m^ means a straight male.

I wish more people would indentify like was going on before saying yes or no.

((:~o) )) Thanks for the answer~~I guess we will have to just answer each others ??`s

OK LilMikey~~how about you role modeling what is suppose to happen, all ears.

Show us what you got. Please

You know Mikey, alot of people do not know i have some indian in me.

But I have heard so many bigoted statements made in my life that i feel like I can relate more than you

But again jump right in as I feel you want to do and have done.

It's very likely that the Yes on 1 vote will be struck down as a violation of the US Constitution. I'm not a full-time resident of Maine, only a summer person, so I don't have much of a say. But I have no doubt that by either the courts seeing the obvious violation of constitutional rights, or by popular vote, Maine will allow same sex civil marriage within 5 years. Consider that 15 years ago this vote would likely have been 90% yes. Today it was almost 50/50. In 5 years....

I have no doubt that good will prevail and that hate will lose this in the long run. In the meantime, there is no reason in the world to stop talking about the terrible wrong that was done when 1 was voted yes.

"there is no reason in the world to stop talking about the terrible wrong that was done"

Keep right on blathering there, crazyfingers, you'll be easy for the men in white coats to spot.

Hey Pokeytoo,

How many times are you going to repost that?

I appreciate the first effort. It wasn't anything special but it set boogeyman up to deliver his ten answers and make everybody bust out laughing.

captainandy "Keep right on blathering there, crazyfingers, you'll be easy for the men in white coats to spot."

Caprainandy, you really are an immoral slime bucket who cares not at all for the situation that others are in.

Care to give a rational reason for denying gays legal civil marriage? Note that civil marriage is a government contract that allows to people to be viewed as a single economic and legal unit for most situations. Also note that what the bible says is irrelevant and that your personal feeling of yuck is also irrelevant.

ElectraGlide: Sometimes it is those that have been persecuted and treated unfairly, who have the most empathy for others. Not always, but often that is the case. Sometimes it can work the other way. It is so many factors about our backgrounds and experiences that lead us to hold the opinons and views we have.

Electraglide...my point is a very simple one. The issue came down to it being decided by the voting process. Usually the voting process is won by the side that is most persuasive and that can put forth an argument that can be accepted and supported by the majority of the people. The vote took place, it is over. The process is done, the vote recorded and it won't be changed. So now, the gay marriage side feels that they may have a court appeal it seems, instead of moaning, go do something about it. If not, begin the fight to move it along once again.This stuff being written here is utterly ridiculous. I have seen people threatening to not vacation in Maine, whoop de doo! Now a letter wants to vote to stop eating lobster because it is in the bible. Ridiculous! You get knocked down in a fight, you got a couple of choices...stay down and mutter obscenities at the one who knocked you down or you can get your a** up and go right back at them. You think those who voted yes really care if you called them bigots or racists? Instead of winning them over, you alienate them. If people don't like the process in how this was done, change the process. Take away the ability of the poeple to change legislation decisions. The vote is OVER. That is my point. Now go begin the battle again and stop the whining. This time, win it instead of losing it.

Changing a law is done through 1) the Legislature, 2) the Referendum process.

As far as I know, harping on people with a different opinion, calling them names over and over (and over), insulting their education, upbringing, intelligence and geographic location is not a third way to pass laws.

It does appear to be an excellent strategy and productive use of your time, crazyfingers.

Who knows what kind of trouble you'd get yourself into without this fine, theraputic outlet!

Same goes for erectalguide, the one who 'talks through his behind".

crazyfingers

you friggin lost because you friggin are a friggin fool.

IMHO

i betcha you get a lot of people looking at you like you have LOBSTERS coming out of your ears!!!!!

LOL

Gasoline Life - what was the price of gasoline last year? There are many other items that are factored into the overall changes in the "cost of living".

Bible backs lobster ban - hey would you and your bible like to try swimming in a very big pot of boiling water? What a nut job.

Appalled at Call - I agree with you 100%. Maybe there's room in that big pot.

Reckless Spending -

And there may be a vote TODAY or TOMORROW on a 1 TRILLION-PLUS DOLLAR Health Care Bill.

One should FIRST ask the questions -

Is Government Health Care "Constitutional" ??

Does the Constitution even MATTER any more ??

REMEMBER THIS ?? -

Members of Congress TOOK AN OATH :

"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States..."

"We have heard a great deal about the costs and benefits of a “public option” and “single-payer system.”

We have heard about the financial costs—and the other costs—of allowing the government to interfere

with matters of life and death.

However, we haven’t heard whether the Constitution gives Congress the power to enact these plans.

What does this say about the status of the Constitution in the minds our policymakers today?

If a concerned citizen asks a proponent of nationalized healthcare to point to the constitutional authority

for such a law, they may hear that the “General Welfare” clause, the “Necessary and Proper” clause,

or the “Interstate Commerce” clause enables Congress to create national public health insurance to act.

None of these clauses—or any others found in the Constitution—gives Congress the POWER to create

a government healthcare system."

"Of course, most progressive advocates of national health insurance are UNconcerned whether the Constitution

authorizes such a law when a pseudo-constitutional reasoning to reach the desired result will suffice.

But constitutionalists should not allow such attempts to dismiss the Constitution go unanswered."

A majority of people voting for something doesn't make it right, it means a mojority of the people who voted are misguided religious bigots.

LilMikey~~What you are saying at 4:01am is true some. Yes there are certain bigots that probably will never be unbigoted.

But what you do not seem to realize is ( I was a Bigot before the Vote) when I first came on the comment section to sprew my opinion of what I thought the Gays should do.

I do not think I was as hateful a bigot as others.

All I wanted the Gay People to do was leave the word Marriage alone and go for a Civil Marriage.

So the process here of learning is a great teaching tool.

And is being used just like before the vote.

You know LilMikey~~If just one person changes there mind on how they voted that would be a great day.

If one person that didn`t even vote is convinced that the US Constitution is the only way to vote for, that is a good day.

So I still see nothing wrong as upi say ( we are whinning) NO that is continue the fight using the comment section to help educate the uninformed.

And if you do not think that a huge mass of people didn`t realize what Equality meant to the Gay People.

Just go check out the Red Deer issue in the paper today and see how bigoted the great Maine deer hunter is to the Red Deer Farmer.

Just a small example of if the shoe was on the foot how alot would of voted.

Thanks for the input thought LilMikey~~always liked your stuff~~^red^^str/m^ ((:~o) ))

(( THIS is Vote_Yes_1 )) quote from Red Deer Article of Today in the BDN actually the first post in the comment section.

What good ole Red Deer Farmer is doing wrong raising his form of Cattle.

(( On 11/6/09 at 11:53 PM, YES_ON_1 wrote: ))

(( Quote>>>>>(( this should be illegal. these guys can't control these deer ))

This is the thought process of alot of voters on the rights of us ALL in my humble opinion.

This thought process has been obvious to alot of posters on here for along time.

This thought process does not support ALL of us Citizens. It is a I, ME, I, ME, thought process.

Voting on a Human Rights for Equality for ALL. No the Yes`ers were not Voting for us ALL.

I`m pretty sure if (( Yes_on_1 )) had been around during the Black Equal Rights movement. I think it is pretty obvious what he would of thought dem Blacks were so crazy enough to actually think they were Human.

OMG oh my God this thought process is not The Spirit of My God.

There you go ((~Yes~on~1~)) Good Morning to Ya!! <<<<((:~o) )) ^red^^str/M^

Hey captainandy~~~Quote>>"As far as I know, harping on people with a different opinion, calling them names over and over (and over), insulting their education, upbringing, intelligence and geographic location is not a third way to pass laws.

It does appear to be an excellent strategy and productive use of your time, crazyfingers.

Who knows what kind of trouble you'd get yourself into without this fine, theraputic outlet!

Same goes for erectalguide, the one who 'talks through his behind".

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CaptainAndy>>>You have been doing this type of insulting for weeks on here.

There is a difference in calling a person a Bigot if they fit the Definition of a Bigot.

And yes I have done thinks like call you CapFart before.

This comment section has cleaned itself up immensly since 3 weeks ago.

Back then comment sections on the Vote on #1 were almost shut down daily.

So unlike you CapAndy I look at the glass 1/2 full and you look at most everything 1/2 empty.

As evidence by alot of commenst on other subjects in the BDN daily.

That be called your public voting record on line for All to See.

You ripped apart some patients for just being at the hospital when you were there the other day.

You should be really ashamed of yourself in just my humble opinion. I am married to a nurse ( of 30 yrs at EMMC ) that has probably taken care of you at one time. I`m sure she has seen your kind many x`s.

Suck it up Cap and Welcome to the Future. ((:~o) )))))))))

Does anyone that listens to CR music by Tim McCraw and the song Southern Voice.

What does "Jesus is my Friend and America is my Country" mean to you??<<<

What is the entire message of the song bottom line ???<<

Hoping to have a great day to be alive in the ole neighborhood.

((:~o) )) ^red^^str/m^

OK, so we are supposed to stop boiling and eating gay people? Was that your point?

YES_ON_1 wrote: " crazyfingers

you friggin lost because you friggin are a friggin fool. IMHO i betcha you get a lot of people looking at you like you have LOBSTERS coming out of your ears!!!!!

LOL"

Wrong Mr. Christian Taliban. Same sex marriage was voted down because 1: The yes people lied and cared people, 2: Too many people were immorally willing to impose their religion onto civil law and 3: too few people live their lives by the Golden Rule.

And by the way there MR YES_ON_1_Taliban, I see you also can't come up with a response to why you are not fighting against the biblical abomination of eating clams, scallops and lobsters. Hypocrites and liars

Stephanie Schreiber...maybe shellfish was banned back then due to lack of refrigeration...I cant wait to see this on next year's ballot! good luck with that....your argument has no merit...the majority has spoken this time.

crzyfingers....maybe this one issue mobilized the majority of the people here to action as it struck close to their hearts......ridiculous to nitpit everything in the Bible....you could probably find a backing for every conceivable sin there if you twisted the words enuf.

Why have all the yes on 1 supporters become close minded bible thumpers? I voted on the question based on my personal beliefs, not based on any verse in the bible. I understand the no on 1 supporters are disappointed by the result on the question, that doesn't mean they should resort to name calling and insults any more than the yes on 1 supporters should. We're supposedly all adults, act like one. Be upset that the politicians seemed to think they can vote something as controversial as this issue in without regard to their constituents. Be upset that your governor can go from not supporting same sex marriage to supporting same sex marriage...if he does that radical a change on this what else are we facing from him? Move forward from here, instead of trying to think of ways to undermine those who voted yes on 1 try to think of what it will take to gain equal rights without changing the definition of marriage. If the issue is truly about equal rights and not about the love for drama, work side by side with those of us who support equal rights for same sex couples.

On 11/6/09 at 9:07 PM, neocon wrote:

Hey all you No on 1 folks - you lost, get over it. Mainers recognize homosexuality for what it really is - gross, perverted, abomination, unnatural, and an absolutely dead end lifestyle.

Thanks for revealing the true motivation of the "Yes On 1" crowd, Neocon. Saw your spokesman Mr. Mutty (who was conveniently on loan from the Catholic church for the duration of this political campaign) on the news at your "victory" rally proclaiming that it wasn't about hating gay people at all, etc. Doesn't your precious bible mention something about "not bearing false witness?"

Your hypocritical smug self-righteousness is beneath contempt. Alas, contempt is all I have to offer you. It's not as if I can take away your rights or anything . . .

hottamale wrote: " crzyfingers....maybe this one issue mobilized the majority of the people here to action as it struck close to their hearts......ridiculous to nitpit everything in the Bible....you could probably find a backing for every conceivable sin there if you twisted the words enuf."

Not nitpicking the bible. Showing that the yes on 1 people are hypocrites. Also showing that using the bible to determine right and wrong is folly. The bible is an monumentally flawed and unreliable source of moral guidance.

Hey BangorInsider~~9:05am~~So a good ?

A ? that you need to answer for yourself~~

In my humble opinion~~

~~I already answered it for myself~~~

??? What do the words in the CW song Welcome to the Future Mean ???

Mr. O'Brien: You're right! We don't need casinos. So what will you do instead? Will you elect state officials that will make this state more friendly to other businesses? Will you leash the unions who are hell-bent on scaring jobs away, too?

I don't want Maine to become more like Las Vegas, but I don't want it to become more like the Rust Belt, either.

Country & Western Music

Has Been the Soul of this Country for Along Time in our History

For me; since I used to listen to my mom and dads CW since being a KID.

Country Music that now Seems to be a Melting Pot of almost All Music.

But if you just listen to the Twang and not the Words

You are not taking full advantage of what music does

Trying to try make us happy and think at the same Time

Ding a Ling~~~~~Twang dat Thang~~~~~Ding a Ling

The Spirit in Country Music is so Positive

Throttle Down

Hammer Down

Slam it Down; oh my it is a Good Day Just be careful as Moderation is the Way these Days.

Somehow I thought this applies to today and future days

Sent to me by a very good Friend with many Family Members from the Boston Area.

Remember that other State that Did the Right thing not the Evil thing that Maine Did

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Here it comes >>> AMEN SISTER, AMEN AND SINCE I CAN'T TELL RADICAL MUSLIMS FROM A NON-RADICAL MUSLIMS THEN I WILL FEAR ALL OF THEM AND

IF ONE COMES TO MY DOOR OR UP TO MY CAR....MY POWDER IS DRY AND READY......

READ BELOW PLEASE......

"POWERFUL"

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Thought you might like to read this letter to the editor ~ ever notice how some people just seem to know how to write a letter?..

This one sure does!

This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how it also applies to the

U.S., U.K. and Australia

THIS ONE PACKS A FIRM PUNCH

Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister!

Written by a housewife in New Brunswick , to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.

'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since?

Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan .

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques and behind women and children.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blows themselves up in search of

nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:

I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:

I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:

I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it,

I don't care!!

If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!

If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add:

'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.'

I have another quote that I would like to add, AND........I hope you forward all this.

One last thought for the day:

Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The British Soldier.

3. The Canadian Soldier.

4. The US Soldier, and

5. The Australian Soldier

One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET ALL OF THEM.

AMEN!

Oh yes, the casinos are eeeeeeeevilllll. Let's have all those people and all that money drive right on down to Foxwoods, and and the others in Rhode Island or Connecticut. We don't need any of that business here in Maine.

And think of all the crime and unsavory elements it will bring, like it did with Hollywood Slots. Why, bus after bus of Canadiens coming into town can't be a good thing, who knows what havok they might wreak? And don't forget the blue-hairs, with their walkers.... very unsavory characters.

Sheesh. Yup, the attitude is to "bring in more small businesses"; read as anything not a national chain store, heaven forbid a "big-box". Exactly where are all these "small businesses" going to come from, what will they sell, who will buy enough of it to support these businesses so that they can survive, and exactly what will a whole state full of small businesses do to attract any tourists to this area? Lastly, how will that do anything to keep our young people from moving away from this sleepy little state.... Oh yeah, we don't wanna stop that from happening. Those young folks might have less repressed attitudes and actually think progressively, and we certainly wouldn't want that here in Maine!

8:32 PM, HRH419, you think you would if the shoe were on the other foot?

Glide, all religions need to be wiped out. They promote irrational thinking and dangerous behaviors as evidenced by the recent incident at Fort Hood.

Was I surprised at the outcome of question 1? Yes and No. Protect Maine Equality people knew we had an uphill battle, We put a real face to gay and lesbian families, and were barraged with yes advertising that I couldn't even let my children watch. After the election I did felt that I had been shamed by 53 percent of the voters. I am not ashamed of who I am or of my family. But when so many do not see my family as valid or equal there is a real sense of being shamed that resulted.

No I wasn't surprised, but on another level, I was astonished. Astonished that 47 percent of the people of Maine were able to understand what this vote really represented, and stood with us. 267,000 people voted NO. There are whole towns now where I know we are accepted and wanted and valued. There are other places in Maine where I now know I will never feel as comfortable as I once did.

This has been a polarizing election for many of us. I no longer want anything to do with certain religious groups and won't set foot in their churches again for any reason. I can't see them as a force for good in the community as I once did.

In his victory speech Marc Mutty stated that now is the time for healing. What he doesn't understand is that the type of wound the gay and lesbian community received this week is a soul altering wound. It is a wound that is going to heal as he suggested. Many years ago I tragically lost two precious little girls. They lie side by side in the graveyard. When I think of them, as I often do, I can still easily cry and feel their loss intensely. Having my civil rights voted away is going to stay with me in the same way as loosing my children. It will always carry an edge of rawness because the effects of this loss are with me everyday. My family, which forms the core of who I am, has been voted lesser than, second class. This is not a time for healing, but a time for beating plowshares into swords and picking up the battle again.

Just to make sure for I know some understand the meaning of my 11;50 post

This easily applies to the Gay Struggle Today and in the Future.

All you gotta do is change some words. OK<<< ((:~O) ))))

cinnamon: You and your family are not the ones who should feel any shame! Quite the contrary. And yes, there are many people in Maine who support you and your rights . Not enough, but a lot. And to so many of us, you are no "less than" than we are. I am amazed at the ignorance and cruelty that still exists.

And Mutty is a hypocrite, speaking of "healing", etc. I would venture he is all onboard re the amendment they are proposing in Maine (you know which one I mean.) I don't think it will happen though, and if it does, the U.S. Constitution will override it.

I am glad I voted NO on 1.

THANK you Cher for your vote and kind words. I don't think they can get a consititutional amendment. It is not that easy in maine. But they certainly are threatening.

And you are right, the yes vote brings shame to those who were part of the Stand for Shame campaign.

LilMikey~~~ i re-read our post and somehow missed something you said. I must not had enough coffe and my reading glasses on.

Your words~~~" This time, win it instead of losing it."

I am very sorry that I missed that.

Thank You<<<<((:~O) )))

Hey Reaganite~~~Here is something you mite wanna check about President Reagan.

He is one of my heroes and role models.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/reagan_berlin_wall/2009/11/06/282960.html?s=al&promo_code=9058-1

((:~{o )))))) How about letting me know how you think President Reagan would of voted on the (Gay People Equality Vote) if he was still here.

captainandy: Neither bush nor Cheney manipulated the pump price of gasoline, nor does the current or any other administration.

ElectraGlide: Speaking as somone who voted No on 1, I would guess that Ronald Reagan would have probably believed marriage is between a man and a woman only. That is my guess. However, and this is a big however; he would never have spoken about same sex couples in the manner you hear from some of the ignoramuses on here.....nothing close. That is very clear.

I'll be gladly breaking "gods law" this evening. I'll be having lobster.

"And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination." Leviticus 11:10-11

Stephanie's letter is just another example of how ignorant people are of what the bible says. And how so often people will pluck verses out of the bible and try to apply them universally. People have a right to vote the way they want based on their beliefs. wherever those come from. People believe in traditional marriage because of what the WHOLE bible says about the subject, and also because of the obvious healthy affects a stable family structure has on society.

Folks there are other books in the bible that condemn homosexuality. not just leviticus. The whole subject of the mosaic law, christs fulfillment of the law, and how todays christians are free from the law, is woefully misunderstood.

JoeDoe, the Bible is a monumentally flawed and unreliable source of moral guidance.

This really is quite clear. "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination." Leviticus 11:10-11

It's very clear and it's also just plain stupid.

How about this one "Thou shalt kill anyone who works on Sunday. (Exodus 35:2))

Or how about this very clear piece of nonsense "Crippled people, dwarves, those with flat noses or damaged testicles must stay away from the altar.(Leviticus 21:18-20)

This talk about taking the whole thing in is just an attempt to whitewash the real crap that's in the bible.

On 11/7/09 at 12:21 PM, cinnamon wrote: "We put a real face to gay and lesbian families,"

I think the campaign failed to do this, cinnamon. The ad I saw and heard had everybody from Grandmom to professional deep Voiceovers speaking about protecting children and equality. Was there one ad that featured "Ken" and "Bob" or "Rosie" and "Melissa" speaking to Maine people about why they should enjoy the same marriage that heterosexuals do?

That strategy was avoided, to the campaign's disadvantage, in my opinion. Everyone has a friend, family member or aquaintance who is gay. I think that would have been a more direct, honest and effective approach.

5:04 PM, JoeDoe, are you under the impression we care what the Bible says? I could not care less what is in the Bible, it promotes irrational thinking and violence.

I love that this Country is in such a financial PUCKER and the No on 1 people only care about Gay Marriage... Take the fact you lost, sit on it and come back with it again later.... Concentrate on what you can do for your family and your country NOW....

Tikitorch wrote: "Concentrate on what you can do for your family and your country NOW...."

Funny how the Yes people just stood in the way of exactly that.

WilliamDS, do you ever come here:

http://www.secularcafe.org/index.php

or here?

http://www.freeratio.org/index.php

That's where I spend much of my time.

crazyfingers

if it makes it right for me to eat lobsters I guess it makes it right for you to do homosexual things.

that is your theory right?

just want to be clear here.

you are picking and choosing so why can't I?

problem is me eating a lobster doesn't quite make for immoral sexual activity. i think you know that's the difference.

if you don't then it's no wonder you lost the vote.

On 11/7/09 at 9:43 AM, crazyfingers wrote: "Showing that the yes on 1 people are hypocrites. Also showing that using the bible to determine right and wrong is folly.

Ummmmmn..... not so much on the "showing", crazyfingers. However, you're very successful at painting yourself out to be an obsessive, unhinged kook. And that's entertaining.

The boredom is exceptional....

According to many of those who lost on Question 1, the 53% who voted, "Yes" were easily identifiable in the voting booths. The "thumping" gave us away.

Hilarious. :o)

4:31pm chersully2000~~~ I have to disagree~~but I would have to do more research on him first. But you do have to remember that he was an actor also.

He was exposed to alot in his lifetime and I believe when as President it was thought by him or pointed out to him, that this involved the US Constituion.

And how this was a way for women to get there rights, (we know he loved his wife). I think while processing with a jar of jelly beans (one of my favorite snacks) and being that he was a progressive, conservative, hightly patroitic and full of human compassion. I think He would of voted for the Gay Peoples with having Equality. I do not think he was a bigot, hateful or Ignorate.

He believed in and had Great Pride in this Country and Everything that it stood.

He stood Proud and Tall in Berlin fighting for the oppressed peoples of the Soviet Bloc.

And I do not believe for a second with all the types of movies he choose to be in and the Role Model that he was.

Nope I would wager alot that Ronald and Nancy would of been first in line to VOTE NO on # 1.

((:~{o) ))) ^red^^str/m^

On 11/7/09 at 3:46 PM, Gopher wrote:

captainandy: Neither bush nor Cheney manipulated the pump price of gasoline, nor does the current or any other administration.

For 8 years, no Liberal could be persuaded that "W" wasn't rigging the price of oil for his "buddies".

There's a much better argument at present. Obama has cranked up the printing presses and created a Trillion "new" dollars. As a result, our currency has tanked. The dollar is the currency of oil. As our dollars lose value the price of oil rises. Oil has an inherent value, money doesn't. It's only a representation of value. As that representation diminishes, the price of goods goes up. Oil demand is weak. The price is only rising (for US consumers) to compensate for devalued currency. Countries with stronger currencies (everyone compared to us) see no increase in oil prices. The Obama Administration's monetary policy is driving up the price of oil for us.

YES_ON_1 wrote: " crazyfingers if it makes it right for me to eat lobsters I guess it makes it right for you to do homosexual things. that is your theory right?"

WRONG on two counts.

1: No. The POINT, which should be obvious to anyone capable of critical thinking is that the Bible is a terrible guide to moral behavior. It's rulings are nonsensical, arbitrary and have no basis in reason. It's rulings are pure appeal to a nonexistent authority. When the bible makes a screwed up and silly moral pronouncement like that it's a sin to eat shellfish, it's clear that lacking sensible arguments for other moral pronouncements, it's a completely unreliable guide to moral behavior. The Bible is utterly arbitrary and based on the idea of humans from 1700 to more than 3000 years ago.

2: I'm not gay you freaking twit. I'm heterosexual male and I have been in a monogamous relationship with my wife for 20 years.

Yo1> "just want to be clear here. you are picking and choosing so why can't I?"

That's a really dumb thing to say. I do not regard the Bible has having any authority at all. That should be crystal clear to anyone remotely capable of critical thinking. I reject your Bible as nonsense and when I evaluate the moral "lessons" that it tries to teach, I evaluate them individually regarding whether they make rational sense or not. That any moral teaching is in the bible is irrelevant to whether the teaching makes sense or not.

Yo1> "problem is me eating a lobster doesn't quite make for immoral sexual activity. i think you know that's the difference."

I've known for a long time that Bible-thumpers are utterly preoccupied with how other people have sex. Yes. I know that that's your issue. I also recognize it as twisted that you think and care so much about how others have sex.

Y01> "if you don't then it's no wonder you lost the vote."

The vote was lost because too many people like you will impose your religious nonsense onto civil law.

captainandy wrote: " Ummmmmn..... not so much on the "showing", crazyfingers. However, you're very successful at painting yourself out to be an obsessive, unhinged kook. And that's entertaining."

Labels don't make arguments. Try making an argument and try to make it rational.

Well, at least all of the God-fearing Fundamentalist Christians in this state won't be needing the H1N1 vaccine. That's a relief.

What's the point in wasting a rational argument on a bitter, irrational kook?!?

Thump, thump, thump

captainandy wrote: "What's the point in wasting a rational argument on a bitter, irrational kook?!?"

I see that you are unable to provide a good argument for your willful denial of equal protection of the law to a group of people who harm no one.

I also see that you are unable to back up your claims that homosexuality is immoral with anything rational. Claims do not make arguments.

captainandy~~~You have no Integratiy or Class.

You are like a gang member on a basketball team. (team Yes and team NO) OFcourse your on the Yes team.

Now you won.

So for a sports team it is just the norm for the winners to chest thump and whatever else they want to do that would be the norm in a competive sport. RIGHT or WRONG ???<<<

But there is just of couple of things to consider here.

1. You were on a gang team of hateful bigoted and ignorant of the norms of the game.

2. The other team was not a gang of thugs and knew the norms of the game.

3. The No team was an underdog and of course the Yes team have been the Champions for along time (champions of playing bigoted ignorant ball)

4. Your bigoted hateful ignorant style of play has been evidenced for a very long time in History of the game you play.

5. The Yes team has been intimated, been bashed and treated like dirt when not on / off the playing field for along time.

So now you won a League Championship and think the season is done.

And like the norms are in sports when you see or have a chance to, you ridicule the other team even after victory.

But here is the catch ole (captainandy) this is not a ballgame like football.

This is real life with real people.

You are a ignorant hateful bigot, for even after winning you come around here and treat real human beings like manure under your shoes. Not even that good by you and your kind that are posting today and since the Vote and your teams Victory.

You treat people that support the rights of All people that are not even Gay People the same way.

Your morals, dignaty, believes and thought process are no better than a mindless retarded Sheep with your mindless flock ,

And the way you treat other Humans on this planet is no different than the Roman Empire and there self-rightous people that made it a sporting game of slaughtering any people they deemed inferior during the Roman Colosium Games of destruction and death. Even watching while people were being eaten alive by Lions. All the while laughing eating and just being at what they thought was a sport of slaughtering innocent people.

Yes captain of bigotry and hate that is what you are and probably always will be.

It is laughable that you would think you and your kind believe in a God.

Because I know my Spirit of God never would treat any person like scum of the earth.

Have a nice day even knowing as I and many others do. You do not really in the blackness of your heart care what anyone that does not see things your way even matters in life. The classic definition of a Big Black Hearted Hateful Bigot and not just to Gay People Either.

That great thing though is ((( I DON`T CARE ))) and neither do 47% of the rest of the State of Maine would be my bet !!!!

For all throughout Mankinds History you Bigots have been around.

And All you have ever done for Mankind is Cause the World Shame and more Shame.

I guess that is it for the moment until you raise you fat stupid face again. ((:~O) ))))) DAng I thought that was pretty decent of my !!!!

crazyisright wrote: "you are unable to back up your claims that homosexuality is immoral .."

"My" claims?!?! Please point out where I made that claim, you bitter, confused, irrational kook!

You sure do a lot of projecting. Is that a choice or the way you are?

Wipe off the drool, you old fool!

I do not think many people felt that same sex couples should not have the same legal rights as a couple of the opposite sex. I believe the whole issue of question 1 was the use of the term marriage. Why is it so important for same sex couples to use a term that has historically been used to describe the union of man and women?

Because the churches they go to wanted to marry them ?

Freakin' duah.

Oh Gap and Friends~~~I know that was long reading at 10:07 /07 if you bothered,

but you know the norms of the game that I talked about, and the spirit of the games (oh I left that out ya say he he.)

Well the spirit of most games is just this.

Right after the games of sportsmanship.

The winner in one way or another acknowledges each others spirit of the game and it is all in fun and after all we are all humans and it was only a game.

Well again Tuesday was no game but there were humans involved.

And after stabbing a peoples spirit of men and women in the BACK.

You come on here and can`t even be bothered to say SORRY about THAT.

No, FROM Minute 1 after the Election you all were on here acting like you had just one a football game.

Chest thumping and stomping on the dignity of Men Women and Children.

That behavior is your SHAME as WELL as YOUR VOTE>

You have not stopped that behavior long enough to take a breath.

So stuff this NUT down your THROAT and I hope you choke on it.

It would be a very LARGE Decision indeed to decide what was GOOD or EVIL in deciding rather to SAFE your STINGING BUTT.

Have another great Bigot Day and UP YOURS<<<(:0 )

ANOTHER Fine example of Cap Andy and the YaHoo Packs respect for us ALL.

FROM the debate going on About Rep Michaud on Healtcare.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

QUOTE>>>On 11/7/09 at 10:17 PM, captainandy wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

The decision comes “after hundreds of meetings, hours of careful consideration and lots of soul searching,”

The arrogant dink held a "tele" meeting with the citizens who elected him! The rest of the statement is impossible as he has no soul and no brain.

This asshoal couldn't redeem himself if he drowned saving a busload of school children.

AND thats the FACTS of the LEADER of the YAHOO Pack.

Have a nice day of BEING on the ATTACK againts these YAaaahooooaaassssss!!!!!!!!!!!!

In Boston my Maine native husband and I are celebrating our second legal anniversary today, though we have been a monogamous couple for eighteen years. We plan to move to Maine within five years, and we will expect to still be treated as a married couple. We visit Maine several times a year, and we have already built a new home, employing many local tradesmen. We contribute to society and will keep doing so as long as we live. This issue will not go away for us until we are all truly equal.

Steve,

I don't believe anyone argues that komosexuals don't spend them money. So do unmarried heterosexual couples that live together.

electraglide- You win the award for the most comments, you must have calloused finger tips.

AionCA @ 1:42Am Churches are free to marry homosexuals now. The marriages are not state recognized. If they eliminated marriage from state records and had certificates of civil unions for everyone and left marriage to the churches, the ones that marry homosexuals now will not change a thing.

10:52 AM, Coronadrinker, well they are and they're not going anywhere. 2.5% of all births in the state will grow up to be HOMOSEXUAL. lololololololol

Couldn't you just feel the love in Corona's last post? Such a good person... :-)

CaptainLady its really sickning when you go in to a restaurantand a gay guy waits on you and cant smile at you because the law got rejected. And william you sure you dont wanna turn gay, your all on this.

&& The Message is in the Music &&

Was anyone in Portland on Friday night near the Civic Center? A large group of teens was attending the hockey game, and were having a teen rally afterwards. There was apparently quite a commotion as a bunch of gay marriage supporters decided to protest their presence, blocking the streets and causing bus drivers to turn around in the middle of the street. They also apprarently hurled numerous insults at kids as young as 12. Why?

Because the teen rally was a Christian teen rally, and the NO's just can't leave it alone. Perhaps bus drivers should start packing heat to protect our kids from such situations. Maybe next time the bus can be torched by the No supporters, and a few innocent kids can be killed. I'm beginning to think that's what they'd really prefer. The true colors of the radical agenda are showing through. As they call Yes supporters bigots and haters, they attack children and subject them to their ideology, regardless of whether it's an appropriate time or place. There is no tolerance on the No side, and as long as that is the case, there will be no tolerance on the Yes side either.

Did you ever stop and wonder why the gay guy is waiting on tables? There was a time, and it hasn't changed much, if you were a gay man you could only wait tables, be a hairdresser, or a doctor. Now...since being a doctor requires certain abilities, financial backing not being the least, guess why you see so many gay waiters... Of course this is a generalization but it is the basic truth. Working class gay men get jobs straight men do not want, and if they do, they are deeply secret about their sexuality, even lying and getting married to a woman to cover it. So the next time you see a gay waiter, have a little respect, he's had a hard life, and you just voted to keep it that way.

Electra - interestin question, and one I was glad to research for you. The top of the bell contains the following:

"PROCLAIM LIBERTY THROUGHOUT ALL THE LAND UNTO ALL THE INHABITANTS THEREOF LEV. XXV X." This is a quote from the Old Testamentent of the Bible, Leviticus chapter 25, verse 10.

Under this reads, "BY ORDER OF THE ASSEMBLY OF THE PROVINCE OF PENSYLVANIA [sic] FOR THE STATE HOUSE IN PHILADA." Lower on the bell are the inscriptions, "PASS AND STOW," the last names of the founders who cast the bell (John Pass and John Stow). Beneath this is "PHILADA," short for Philadelphia. The lowest inscription is the Roman numerals MDCCLIII (1753), the year the bell was re-cast.

Guess we should have hanged those bigots and haters before we allowed them to cast such a monstrous bell with such worthless drivel. Leviticus, indeed. (hehe).

12:25 PM, windfuture, I hadn't heard that but I've requested information from the Portland gay community. I suspect, if the schools were religious schools, the protest was because of the use of publicly funded facilities.

Fasten your seatbelt, it's not going away, backlash or no...

Wind, if you can't see how "proclaim liberty" is a positive action which benefits all, and "restrict,deny, and "exclude," are negative words that harm people, be so informed now.

William - it wasn't schools, it was a private religious organization that rented the civic center after the game. (Word of Life). But the event was held for children - regardless, and to target them with political protest is slightly extreme. I was glad to hear no one was injured and no physical attacks took place on either side.

Wind, I just got an email from a Portland reporter about the event Friday. This is what he said... CCCC = Cumberland County Civic Center. Styxx is a popular club near the CCCC.

"There was no protest at the CCCC and yes there was a hockey event. The rally was on Congress Street. Participants were encouraged to go to Styxx after for a drink so some of them may have paraded by the CCCC."

Wind, it was not an organized protest but individuals who were expressing discontent. The gay community can't control all of its members just like any other group.

Thanks, William - appreciate the details.

WilliamDS, ElectraGlide,etc.: I would not even reply to that drinker of corona if I were you. Do you really think he is worthy of anything....any response. I should think you would see he is below the low. Not worth it.

ElectraGlide: Good comment at 12:36 PM You said it.

windfuture, I don't know what the kids came away with but I see it as a positive experience for them. I assume the adults with them made it a negative experience. Like it or not, gay people are here, and you can't kill them or make them disappear. Were you there?

1:02 PM, chersully2000, oh yes, I know he's a knuckle dragger but I respond for others to see, not particularly to him.

Yeh chersully~~ I know that~~but everytime he opens his fat bigoted mouth no matter what the issue of the day. He steps right in it. Oh he is such a Great Example of White Cracker Trash.

ersTo good to pass up. He and No For on One were one of the first chest thumpd that stomped on Peoples Dreams.

Sorry I am to Militant to let him have a Free Ride on the back of Decent People.

Takin NO Prisoners of the YaHOOooo Kind. !!!!!!

Hey Chersully~~~ Since men in general are more militant.

And women in general are more compassionate.

What do you get when 2 men or 2 women raise kids up.

Now since Gay People in general are more militant because of there fight for Equality

And Gay People are more compassionate in general

I would say in general you would have raised some fine out spoken compassionate kids.

That do not take any Ya Hoo Chit.

What you think Chersully<

There is not one mention of anything happening on, near or around the Cumberland County Civic Center in the Portland Press Herald.

Below the low chersully look who i speaking. You are the one way below speaking average. But hey thank you for the comment.

1:41 PM, JD2008, after the Congress St rally, some continued over to Styxx which is a popular club not far from the civic center. I think the momentum of the rally may have carried over. I don't think there was an incident but you know the adults who were with the kids would make more of it than it was. At any rate Portland has a gay community and a gay rights ordinance, people using the civic center are going to see gay people.

1:49 PM, Coronadrinker, actually she was upgrading you from what most opinions of you are.

Glide, I know a lot of gay people who do not have a militant bone in their bodies.

I think Coronadrinker has lost a few more brain cells to alcohol based on his last post.

Copyright © 2008 American Psychological Association

"Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding."

....or you can read it for yourself...

http://www.apa.org/topics/sorientation.html

Nah william chersully is just jealous of me because im a hot guy who isnt gay and she is a grandma whos want to learn how to be gay

You don't really think you are attractive in any way, do you, Corona? Jeeeeeze

William~~~ Agreed, that is what makes up the most of society is the middle or the gray area.

Gray matter, oh Yeah thats what ((( Coronadrinker ))) doesn`t have.

Wonder why Coronadrinker doesn`t address me.

Maybe he knows he would be attracted to me.

I am pretty cute for an older stud muffin.

I can do it once just like I used to be able to do it many times.

Dang Pride sure can be a stupid thang

Oh Yeah I guess thats why they call it Stupid Pride.

Come On~~Coronadrinker~~Give it up and try learning something for once that doesn`t come out of a bottle or can.

It really won`t hurt.

Come ON~~~Just try it.

It goes lke this~~repeat after me

I guess i`m not as smart as I thought I was.

There, now you know, and alot of other people know that there not the smartiest on the block, but at least they don`t pretend they are.

You are only playing a game with yourself.

Now you know that can not be good for you. He He

WilliamDS,

Self pity is never pretty (re:12:24) and it doesn't suit you.

Homosexual men aren't limited to those (not convinced that they ever were) occupations.

Have you flown commercially in the last decade? My brother flew back from the Pacific, economy. The "flight attendant" from First Class couldn't bring him enough goodies from up front. He's handsome and does in fact like ice cream, especially on long flights.

Hey captainandy~~I`m noticing a much more cival tone.

It really does make me anyways feel warm and fuzzy !!!

Thanks for Dat.

Flight Attendants~~some of the nicest people in the World. (:~0 ) )))))

"Glide, I know a lot of gay people who do not have a militant bone in their bodies."

That doesn't matter WilliamDS. Electra is now their self proclaimed militant leader!

re: "I am to Militant to let him have a Free Ride on the back of Decent People.

Takin NO Prisoners of the YaHOOooo Kind. !!!!!! "

What a badass!

WilliamDS: re 2:26 Ha ha ha ha....

JD re: 1:58 You always nail it!!

ElectraGlide: Just got home and got a chance to read your comments at 1:19 PM What a riot....it is always great to laugh!!

WilliamDS: From what I have heard , some of those people on the YES side just wanted to keep up the inflammatory stuff. Whether they like it or not, Portland has a large population of homosexual people ; so what?!! They belong there just as much as the heterosexuals. Maybe some of those YES people need to crawl back into their caves as they seem to want to live way in the past. Hey good luck....it isn't going to work, and as more and more time goes by, it is going to work less. The demographics speak for themselves and not just in Maine. Someday, the history books will add another right that was finally attained by citizens in the U. S. No doubt.

Now that is funny chersully, get a clue grandma its over with No equal rights. Maybe you should lead t he supreme court campaign you make a great spokes person LOl

mAineAc wrote:

"AionCA @ 1:42Am Churches are free to marry homosexuals now. The marriages are not state recognized. If they eliminated marriage from state records and had certificates of civil unions for everyone and left marriage to the churches, the ones that marry homosexuals now will not change a thing."

Big freakin' if. Why should one group of churches marriages be state recognized and another's not be ?

And at least be honest, when you say civil unions for "everyone" you mean civil unions just for same-sex couples.

Have a little integrity.

Ah excuse me captainndy. You have only made 9 out of 10 claims that you have not backed up.

You call me a kook for caring about the rights of others.

You call me irrational for caring about equal protection of the law.

You call me an obsessive, unhinged kook for pointing out that yes on 1 barely won because of the hate and because of the lies and because the vast majority of the yes voters acted as the Taliban does for imposing their religion onto others and willfully harming people for no good reason.

And you have failed to even attempt to explain why you think that it’s justifiable to harm others and deny them equal protection of the law for no good reason.

Why should I accept a civil union instead of my marriage to my wife? I'm a him and she is a she. Heterosexual marriage with NO religion involved.

Religionists need to understand that religion does not have a monopoly on the human institution of marriage and that they have no right to take it for themselves.

The Pilgrims and Puritans who settled Massachusetts regarded marriage as a civil matter and not within the powers of their religion. Since then the religionists have been trying to steal the human institution of marriage and take it only for themselves.

Marriage is NOT just a religious thing. Religionists need to learn to share.

williams ds - you must be a waiter Huh..

On 11/8/09 at 8:49 PM, crazyfingers wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

Ah excuse me captainndy. You have only made 9 out of 10 claims that you have not backed up.

>>>> I guess that's as close to an apology as one can get from a raving, spitting nut. Accepted! <<<<

You call me a kook for caring about the rights of others.

>>>> No, I never have <<<<

You call me irrational for caring about equal protection of the law.

>>>> You're 0 for 2 so far but I've come to expect it from you <<<<

You call me an obsessive, unhinged kook for pointing out that yes on 1 barely won because of the hate and because of the lies and because the vast majority of the yes voters acted as the Taliban does for imposing their religion onto others and willfully harming people for no good reason.

>>>> There's the breathless ranting that's become your trademark! "Hate", "Taliban", "Lies"!!!! You're getting waaarrrrrrmer (and unhinged). And for the record, 6% is not really even "close" it's definately not "barely"<<<<

And you have failed to even attempt to explain why you think that it’s justifiable to harm others and deny them equal protection of the law for no good reason.

>>>> I have addressed that. See "11/7/09 at 10:33 PM, captainandy wrote:"<<<<

From your 11/06/09 at 10:12PM " I'm not a full-time resident of Maine, only a summer person, so I don't have much of a say."

>>>>It must be extremely difficult for you, a beautiful, summer person, to have to interact with the unwashed local Taliban, during the summer and now on the comment section of the BDN. I really feel for you. If the family trust were a tad bit smaller, you might have to provide for yourself and have less leisure time to devote to ranting, torturing yourself and getting worked into a frenzy. Drink plenty of water. Spitting will dehydrate you.<<<<

AionCA @ 4:41, no I mean for everyone. I said they should strike the word marriage from all documents for state and town. Civil unions for everyone straight or gay. Marriage should be strictly for churches. If you have a wedding in a church you can call it a marriage, whether your straight or gay. If you get married by the JOP just to have a civil union that is recognized by the state so be it, it is not a marriage. But in order to get a marriage, whether straight or gay, recognized by teh state you need a civil union certificate signed by the state. Now if you want to assume that everyone is against you go right for it.

captainandy wrote:

Captain>>>> No, I never have <<<<

Captain>>>> You're 0 for 2 so far but I've come to expect it from you <<<<

Captain>>>> There's the breathless ranting that's become your trademark! "Hate", "Taliban", "Lies"!!!! You're getting waaarrrrrrmer (and unhinged). And for the record, 6% is not really even "close" it's definately not "barely"<<<<

CF> What a liar you are. Do a "find" on the words in this comments topic and see that you are a liar.

Captyain>>>> I have addressed that. See "11/7/09 at 10:33 PM, captainandy wrote:"<<<<

This is what you wrote at that time

Captain> "What's the point in wasting a rational argument on a bitter, irrational kook?!? "

CF> that's not a justification for denying equal protection of that law. That's just more personal attack nonsense.

Captain >>>>It must be extremely difficult for you, a beautiful, summer person, to have to interact with the unwashed local Taliban, during the summer and now on the comment section of the BDN. I really feel for you. If the family trust were a tad bit smaller, you might have to provide for yourself and have less leisure time to devote to ranting, torturing yourself and getting worked into a frenzy. Drink plenty of water. Spitting will dehydrate you.<<<<

CF> More non-addressing of the issue.

mAineAc wrote: " AionCA @ 4:41, no I mean for everyone. I said they should strike the word marriage from all documents for state and town. Civil unions for everyone straight or gay. Marriage should be strictly for churches. If you have a wedding in a church you can call it a marriage, whether your straight or gay. If you get married by the JOP just to have a civil union that is recognized by the state so be it, it is not a marriage. But in order to get a marriage, whether straight or gay, recognized by teh state you need a civil union certificate signed by the state. Now if you want to assume that everyone is against you go right for it."

Marriage isn't just a religious institution. It's a human institution. Religion does not have sole use of the institution.

Man, I just love reading that I should be boiled with a lobster. Guess we forgot to read that whole "Love thy neighbor" part, too.

Let's be clear, I don't hate Christians. I am a Christian. I sing in a choir. I attend Bible study. I treat the people I see and work with with the utmost respect. I give to charity more often than I should based on my financial situation, and I ask for nothing in return.

My point is just this: treat everyone as you wish to be treated. AKA, the Golden Rule. God said the second most important commandment is "Love thy neighbor as thyself." It's the same thing. Sure, you might not agree with homosexuality or same-sex marriage, but should we deny it? By all means, think it's a sin. By all means, believe the gays are going to hell. But that is totally up to God. Why can't we let him do his own job and judge us accordingly? Like I said, we cast the first stone when in reality we are not sinless. If my friend goes to hell for being gay, then I'll be going to hell for at one point or another disrespecting my parents. Or for working on Sunday. Or for eating clam chowder. Sounds like hell will be awfully crowded.

But that's the beauty of the New Testament. God forgave us our sins. If God forgives us all, why can't we forgive each other?

I may be dripping with sarcasm, but I love people, all of them, regardless of size, shape, socioeconomic status, sexuality, color, or anything else that distinguishes them from me. I may not always agree with them (case in point, this election), but I still love them. I can even say that I honestly love the people who condemned me to a boiling pot of water. And I pray for you, too, just as I pray for myself, because at times I really need it. Do you pray in love for me, or do you pray to smite me?

Mr. Frye: the group from Texas that has pitifully enjoyed higher gas prices has got NOTHING on the Democrats people blindly reelect around here. That crowd has no problem with you paying $8.00/gal for gas, and more than that for heating oil.

Once again, William, you miss the mark. Proclaiming liberty is just what those of us opposed to the homosexual lifestyle have done - you just don't appreciate that the message is one of liberty from the tyranny and power of an unhealthy (check the stats on homosexual life expectancy), counterproductive and yes, sinful choice. Those of you who stood against marriage prefer to ignore reality and keep people in bondage...hardly a message of proclaiming liberty!

Furthermore, can we be done with the tired, old "shellfish" argument? It's not even worth consideration -

* Those that make the argument reject Biblical authority. Based on that alone, your argument has no weight

* The argument falls apart when anyone with a rational mind reads the Scriptures and understands that God dealt with the nation of Israel in very physical terms: land, offspring, wealth, crops, etc. He wanted Israel (and the nations around Israel) to understand that and evidenced it by giving specific commands to indicate that He had set them apart - hence, the Sabbath and dietary restrictions, among others. God's moral standard does not change. That's why, in the NT, Peter was told to "kill and eat" animals that had at one point been considered unclean by the Jews...see also Paul's teaching on the topic. BUT...the NT teaching (including the teaching of Jesus) regarding morality, including heterosexual sin (pre-marital sex of any kind and adultery) and homosexuality is consistent with that of the OT.

Disagree? I challenge those that use the "shellfish" argument to prove from the Scriptures otherwise!

umpisteph, you're a much better person than I am. I'm struggling with the whole kindness concept right now. I think I'd much rather be boiled with a lobster than have a lobster dinner with many of these people. It's amazing to me that a book of "love" is used to condem, what year is this, 1600?

Stephanie Schreibar: Nov 7/8/09:

By all means, sign me up for your referendum ban on eating lobster in Maine. How can I contact you to work more on this?