I grew up here in Bangor and moved away when I was a late teen. I’ve lived all over the country and I can’t think of a city that is run any better than this one. I follow politics very closely and kudos to Cary Weston for standing up and going against the fray as a freshman councilor.

I’ll gladly sign any petition to oust those who place personal politics against the good of our city!

Nail Blanchette, if someone from another city can help get the signatures in Bangor, put some contact info here, will be glad to try and help. Hey Bronson has the usual idiot statement. When forty people stand together they don't reflect the rest, but a few who show and support what he wants, reflects the city. What an antalitical leader.

Hey Larry T.....As a taxpayer in Brewer, I would like to know if our Fire Chief is conducting City of Bangor business while we are paying him to protect life and property in our city. If he has a city of brewer email, why don't you take a looksee at the content since he has been on the bangor council to see if he is more concerned about what is going on in bangor then protecting the citizens of brewer. I believe that this is all public information and you would be surprised at what you find. You owe it to the people who pay his salary.

So Bronson says the 40 people who spoke in favor of Barrett don't represent the views of our city's 32,000 residents. Yet he thinks a panel of only nine people does?

Sounds just like Van Buren.

I again applaud you Jim, and respectfully understand you response to my post on the earlier news article... But I still feel you did not go far enough. To let the one(s) that conveniently change their mind at a time when they now have to look at the fact of running for re-election, is in a sense to allow the fox to stay in the hen house because he believes he has fooled you into thinking he is also a hen.

Larry... I agree with Fred, although I do not know if he is breaking any rules on your side of the river. As much as you do write on the issues of Bangor, and I have agreed and disagreed with you. I respectfully say to you... His idea may be a good one and/or may open a bigger can of worms. Would you share what you find, or would you bury what you find and add more mystery "hidden agenda"?

Mr. Palmer - exactly what 'process' are we robbing? I did not cast my vote because I wanted to give blanket permission for council members to make decisions in private without accountability to the public. I also did not cast my vote because I wanted to empower you to develop a 'vision' in a similarly closed process. This recall vote should give us a pretty good picture about how is best representing the voting public.

Bury Blanchette, bury Blanchette, bury Blanchette, go team go, go team go, go team go. Hey, heres one Blanchette wants, no smoking in cars and to sum it up (I want, chough chough, to tell you, chough chough, that you should, cough cough, not smoke my brand) Pat quit, no not the smoking, the job, here, and in Augusta too.

could the councilors be trying to cover up something in the future as bangor has been overhaul now . . . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Recall process = Insane!

It does not rob the process, it is the process. These councilors need to understand that it is not all about them, it is about Bangor!

Let's do this!

not insane...lots more communities should do the same..too many enjoy throwing around their power....when they anger enough citizen's its time to kick the bums out....hooray for bangor, hooray for van buren and any other communities that use the people power to kick out the bums...

Neely needs to go first! He's useless.

Well, well, well. I see a few councilors didn't sleep well least night. Pity. The recall petition is a great response to the kangaroo council that STILL hasn't told me their vision! I'm not sure how the process works if the number of signatures needed is met, but if so, the five names should be listed separately with a yes/no option for each. I think one or two could be spared if they admit they were coerced because Gerry Palmer sat on them at Tim Horton's during a secret Sunday morning meeting while Pat Blanchette blew smoke in their faces to vote Ed Barrett out.

Bravo for someone finally doing something about what has happened, It is not fair to Ed Barrett and I think these people need to be shown that you cannot do something like this and then not expect to have any backlash. It irks me that they get so offended and disgusted when people show up to the meeting to express their concern and disdain, as if " How dare you peon question our decision. It is our right, after all, do you not serve your public and their best interest? We need to flex our democratic right and not just say, but actually do what we set out to do and unseat these people who think they are above everyone else in this city and take them down a peg or two, show them that the people of Bangor are not "Idiots" who will just sit by and let them do as they wish. We all after all is said and done know what is right and what is wrong. So people of Bangor, we need to stand behind this decision to do a recall and show these people that we will not be looked down on or made to feel as if our opinions do not matter because they do. These councilors are probably laughing at our efforts thinking we will not succeed and that they safe as houses in their council seat but think again, the worm has turned and you are about to be shown the door just like you showed Mr Barrett they door only this time, It will hit you harder and no one will loose sleep.

I do believe that I will be searching for a petition to sign...

This is a good thing, whether or not the recall vote happens. This should be a wake-up call to the Council that they cannot conduct MAJOR City business in private, without involving the residents of the process. In one way Palmer is correct in that if the Council had to go the resident to approve everything, nothing would indeed get done. But this "new vision" isn't just anything, this is a major issue, and to hide the process is deceptive, and dirty politics.

Wake up, the "Fire-Ed-Five". We see you.

I could see if they already had a vision and Ed did not agree with that vision but come on, they don't even have a vision yet so how can they say he doesn't fit?

Thank you and I appreciate these encouraging comments. We aren't quite at the stage yet of circulating petitions, but it's near. Anyone wishing to circulate a petition when the time comes, please email me at: LXVnow@gmail.com. Also, a Facebook "group" page is coming together called BANGOR RECALL. More on that later. Both the petitions and the hoped for recall election will be based on INDIVIDUAL councilors. (Five separate petitions, five separate entries on the ballot.) Thus a voter would have the choice to NOT sign against, or not vote against, removal of any particular councilor. (I'll be researching the question of whether a non-Bangor voter can be the circulator of a recall petition. Check here later.)

LOL to know_it_all

Thought for the day: DON'T GRUMBLE, CIRCULATE. Jim Elmore LXVnow@gmail.com

Somebody saw it coming- thus the recall measure

Mr. Elmore, I will sign your petition too! I, for one, have had enough of good ole boy politics in Bangor. It's been the way of life here for years, and it doesn't work!!! If Bangor wants to move forward economically and in every other way that counts, we as a community need to stand up and make the first change. We need fresh thinking here, we need to attract business here to offer all people interesting , well paying jobs...not just the good ole boys and their friends and families...and we need an active arts and cultural scene to attract even more progressive thinking citizens. We need to make a lifestyle change in our city politics. Thanks for having the courage to do what is right, Mr. Elmore. And you too, Hal Wheeler, and also Cary Weston. Bring that petition on!!!

Much of the controversy that looms around the firing of Ed Barrett stems from two things - First is " Bangor's New Vision " - Second is " no one has said specially why Ed Barrett is not part of this New Vision " - Personally I support the Removal of Ed Barrett - I have been a resident of Bangor for nearly 60 years - I have lived at the same location for 30 years - In the last 22 years (Ed Barrett's tenure) my property taxes have gone $700 a year to over $3000 a year - Never in the Bangor's history has there been such an egregious penalty on the resident's to pay for basic services in a 22 year span - Bangor's growth both industrial & commercial development has ballooned in the last 22 years - but taxes for these industry's has only created a hardship for the same stag net population - More of a tax burden should be placed on businesses to pay for the added services the city provides - Next comes Ed Barrett's complete disregard for department budgets - His last budget submitted had to be thrown back by the city council to do over again because the council recognized that in recession times - the citizens didn't want higher property taxes - It his job as a full time city manager to scrutinize each department's budget and always keeping in mind The Taxpayer - Under his tenure - The Department of Public Works is a runaway freight train with it's budget - The BIA has been poorly managed - The Auditorium, Civic Center & Race Track (before being taken over) has been poorly managed, the list goes on - Never in 22 years have I seen him make any drastic recommendations to the council for change - We need a manager that can manage - not just attend meetings and sit behind a desk - I applaud Hal Wheeler for saying leave the 1st time - then bringing to vote a second time & the majority of the council saying NO.. Hopefully this sends a signal to Ed Barrett - WE DON'T WANT YOU ..go away with grace before you leave town with your tail between your legs - The City Council needs to inform the public on this New Vision - So far as I see it - Downtown Bangor is nearly deserted - Absolutely nothing has been done at the Waterfront - Nothing has changed with how to run a Folk Festival - If you wanted our Vote - then give us something for it

If you happen to be at Tim Horton's when Mr. Palmer is having one of his secret society meetings and you have young children with you, I recommend you do not sit too close, I have experienced the language first hand from this pompous group with my grandchildren and was forced to move because it was expletive and abusive. This man knows no boundaries whether it be in public or private, he is bigger than any common decencies and apparently does not care who he offends or where.

Well stated, ScrappyKitKat70!

I'm ready to sign the petition.

Looks like an interesting road ahead.

Speaking of vision and direction - looks like someone has at least started the thought process...have you seen this?

http://caryweston.com/site/news.php?num=0&news_id=153

Bangor's long time City Councilor Pat Blanchette, really thumbed her nose at the citizens of Bangor, and elsewhere early this morning, on the local talk radio station of Ric and George.

Pat was the first caller at 6 o'clock, and really came across as gang-buster. She told listeners, that it was 'none of your business', when asked why she supported ridding Bangor of their City Manager Ed Barrett. As Ric and George pursued questioning Pat, she became more arrogant, and seemed to detest such questions.

Wouldn't you think that such a City councilor would want to fully explain their position on why they took such drastic measures to fire a city manager? She, as well, as other councilor's have every right to pursue their interest in doing what they did, however, why not show a little more courage, and do it in a nice way. Pat is in deep trouble on the City Council.

Bangor needs to go ahead and spend that $15,000 for the early election in April. The quicker the better for good government.

And, as I have often expressed my thoughts here, and Brewer citizens should want us to join in a committee with Bangor. Under what circumstance's?

Newly elected Councilor Weston, also called into the show, and wasn't happy over Pat's remarks.

Oh, it's going to be interesting, very much so. Larry T. Doughty, South Brewer, larrytdoughty@yahoo.com, www.ourstory.com/larrytdoughty/

I support Ed Barrett and the recall petition

akata207 - all councilors start out this way. There is something about that building on Harlow Street. Intelligent, articulated, community minded people walk into that chamber and sit at those desks. There vision of the future slowly dissolves into a tunnel view of the next election. Doesn't happen to all - but to most.

Mr. Weston has already entered the tunnel. He should have recused himself on the grounds that the initial vote was made prior to his swearing in. He could have voiced his support for Mr. Barrett and then not voted. This action would have elevated him above the fray.

Mr. Weston is already looking at a Senate seat in Augusta.

Having grew up in Bangor, I am now on the outside, looking in. So, I'm no longer privy to the political dynamics in Bangor.Yet, it seems so obvious that Ed Barrett is not the root of Bangor's problems. I stand with those who would recall certain members of the city council, for THEY are the root of Bangor's problems. If there is to be blood letting, let it begin with THEM. Good luck, Mr. Barrett!

2286 signatures in 60 days? No problem. Say goodnight councilors.

I think the councilors bought some swamp land and plan to drain it, kill the alligators and sell it to Walmart in the future! This must be the true vision (profits).

let him go. he is already interviewing for another job. Just let him go. Bangor needs to move forward.

Signatures needed on Tuesday, December 1st at 4:00 p.m. at the Bangor City Clerk's Office.

Step #1 is to sign the affidavits necessary to begin the recall procedure. There are five (5) separate

affidavits for 5 recalls (Palmer, Blanchette, Nealley, Bronson, and Hawes). Showing up at the same

time to sign makes it easier on the Clerk, so please be punctual. While only 9 more signatures are

required at this time, show up anyway and we'll have a chance to chat afterward. Jim Elmore LXVnow@gmail.com

And have a great Thanksgiving!

The council split strikes me as odd. Not a conservative-liberal split like we have seen or might expect. There is some other dynamic at work here and I dont buy into this new direction crap. I need a clearer idea of whats going on than has been offered here in the BDN before I vote one way or the other in a recall election.

I doubt he will ever get the signatures needed. Most people in Bangor have absolutely no clue who is on the city council. Ask your neighbors if they can name three members, I bet most won't be able to name one.

>>>> A scheduling conflict with the City Clerk means we will have the recall affidavit signing on MONDAY, NOVEMBER 31 AT 4 PM at the City Clerk's Office, City Hall instead of the time previously listed. All other information remains in effect. Jim Elmore LXVnow@gmail.com

I am new to writing on this site but have been a reader of the coments for a while. What a mess created by our council. I doubt enough people in Bangor share the same outrage that a few on this site do. If I am wrong, great. This recall process is available to the citizens when they have elected officials that do not uphold their end of the bargain. In this case it is the lack of an open and honest approach to their decisions. Regarding councilors that are rude, pig headed and full of themselves, what should we expect. It's not like there are a lot of choices for us voters. I mean if you are a talented business person in Bangor that thinks clearly and has run successful organizations, why would you subject yourself to being involved with this group of councilors. Maybe the guy that wanted to build the space needle was the most sane choice after all.

elmo67's comment mentions" MONDAY, NOVEMBER 31 AT 4 PM". Last time I checked, the month of November had only 30 days. Interesting !!!!

The Bangor city council has scheduled a press conference in council chambers @ 1:00 pm today Nov 25th.

Jim, there is no 31st of November,it would be the 30th.. I believe..Larry T. Doughty

Nice

I wonder why Larry T. has responded to my earlier post. Could it be that he is more concerned about what is happening on the other side of the river than on the Brewer side?

I will eat my hat live on the internet if these guys get 1000 signatures.

how about a webs site with the locations the petion will be at....lets go.....

How much will Blanchette cost the City of Bangor, before she is reeled in?

How much more did the Bangor Police Department cost to be built in its current location, after then Citizen/State Rep./Part-Time Cashier at Hannaford's Blanchette stood in front of its current location, getting people to sign a petition, telling the City that they were WRONG in selecting the UM Property by the Airport? Land Belonging to the City vs. Buying More Property. A building which, when it no longer is able to meet the needs, will require another since there is no room for expansion vs. ACRES of land available for expansion of an existing building.

Enough is Enough.

Geez, silly ole me! Yes, we're talking about Monday, November 30 at 4 PM at City Clerk's office. Sorry for the error.

I'm thinking maybe next Saturday, December 5 (DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER!!) might be a good time to have a central petition signing location.

Any good suggestions as to location? Jim Elmore LXVnow@gmail.com

P.S. I triple-checked the day and date.

I totally support the decision of the majority of the City Council to Request the Termination of City Manager Ed Barrett - It's time to move on -

Jim, how about parking lot at Bass Park, plenty of parking, and things would move smoothly.Fred, I don't want to open that huge can of worms frankly. There is much confidential information that is handled with emails, as you know. I appreciate your idea. .Larry T. Doughty

Thinkaboutit...move on to what?... someone who has no people skills and cannot work with City Hall...why would anyone think it is time for change when we have a perfect match for Bangor in Ed Barrett....I think it is time to move on alright....move on to new council members....

elmo - A

elmo67 - a petition drive during the Holiday Parade would be a good move - lots of voters.

Ok Sorry Bangor but we have the same thing going on in Presque Isle. I know Mr Stevens is not comming back, however the council is also talking about a new vision. I think we need to recall our council except the new one Mr Smith. they need to be talking to us about where they want to take this city and get us to buy in. I been told they will next get rid of about five department heads?????? They want to reduce the fire department to a volunteer force, WHAT WILL THAT DO TO YOUR INSURANCE??? Think ubout this and speakup and out.

You might also consider the Mall, if allowed. (Probably not, but worth a shot.) With the Holiday shopping season upon us, there will be mucho traffic out there.

Additionally, try the Airport Mall, near the DMV, during weekdays. The DMV is ALWAYS busy, and a majority of people going there will be local. And usually cranky, especially after a visit there!

Actually Larryt39, emails of public officials and elected officials are a matter of public record if they maintain a government email address. In other words, if you maintain a City of Brewer owned and controlled email account your emails sent and received are a matter of public record and are subject to a Freedom of Information Act request. So Chief Bronson's emails are a matter of public record for any citizen requesting them. I work for a private company and I was always told not to put anything which would be considered confidential in an electronic document. So if the City of Brewer is handling confidential matters via email, you may be in for a rude surprise one day.

Gee, wouldn't that be a horry show for Uncle Sam's emails? I own my own email account, not the taxpayers. I'm very much aware of the subject matter that you are discussing, we are always alert to emails. Not a lot of security, as you know. If somebody wants the fire chief's emails disclosed, they will have to go about it themselves, as I will not attemp to do that. I think it is a little over the top. Further more, Chief Bronson, is not an email type guy, hates it I believe. Larry T. Doughty, South Brewer...

There is a difference between "classified" information and routine, everyday communications between constituents and representatives, employers and employees, etc...you just might be surprised what one could be forced to turn over by a determined person.

Mr Doughty-

Now that Bangor and Brewer councils will have meetings together regarding budgets you should no longer be alarmed. You now have the best seat in the house to watch Bangor's council at work. Remember, no laughing.

its funny how some people say they wont get many votes on this petition. Well its gonna get at least one vote, MINE! and probably many others. We see it in washington and augusta and now in bangor, Outs all these BAS#$#$#ERDS and put in people who care about openness, the people they serve and not reelection, i agree with the ousting of barrett but we should know the reason behind it. I will sign the petition because im tired of the failure of bangor to be the place we know it can be as a regional hub of maine.

Bangor can begin to see Change - Bangor can begin see a New Vision = We can start with getting rid of Eddie Barrett - Lets start there -= then if you want - go after the council - I tried with everything I had for voters not to vote for Palmer or Blanchett - I sent the sent the same message about that idiot Joe Perry Probably the biggest liar and Fool out there - but as usual - you idiots will vote him back in..

Is it me or did Blanchette sport a mustache on tonight's news? Yeah, talk about a "News conference" or shall one say, a "not news conference" What a bunch of boneheads, and something tells me that Bronson wears make-up, he looks like he can pass for George Hamilton's brother with that orange hue. This city needs to finally stand up and show these smug people that *Yes we can and we will oust you* You are here to serve your constituents and I think that Ed Barrett is a fine individual who has obviously been doing something right because he has been in service for 22 + years and all of a sudden everyone is saying he isn't qualified to lead Bangor into the future, duh, what does that say about the people who kept renewing Ed's contract, that they we're just to stupid or lazy to not see that he wasn't qualified, or maybe when his contract was up in the past, just not renew it. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark and all of it will come to light I suspect. Keep talking down to us Pat on morning radio shows and keep thinking that you walk on water or that you are all knowing. All of you will soon find yourselves out on your keisters and hopefully Ed will remain in office because lord lnows what is in store for us with someone new. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

With Ed Barrett in office - Bangor is as close to Broke as Borke is - I say get rid of Ed Barrett before we all drown in debt -

Hey Elmo, we should have a petition drive right outside the Tim Horton's on Broadway, LOL, wouldn't that ruffle a few feathers, or save a few donuts from being inhaled by Gerry Palmer and his cast of characters.

Nice concept, SKK70, but it might not fly with the Tim Horton management. Why don't you check it out and get back to us?

Meanwhile, y'all, please check out this facebook "group" site and bookmark it for future information: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=188316467121&ref=nf Or, go to facebook and search for "Bangor Recall". Have a great Thanksgiving. Jim Elmore LXVnow@gmail.com

Granted I did not get to watch the 6pm news tonight, but I did catch the so called "news conference". Bronson... I think that was almost the longest way to say nothing that I have ever heard!!!! I would have thought that all of you (councilors) would have been willing to hold a true press conference so the citizens of Bangor could hear what you had to say without being disported by the media. IF the object of having this "news conference" televised on the government channel was to try and "save face" with the public... I am sorry to say that it had the opposite effect. You actually make me question if Brewer should think about removing you from your post as Chief of the Fire Department. I cannot really comment on the rest of the councilors until I see the news tonight.

Now as for the comments on Ed Barret... Ed's marching orders come from the council. Granted not all of them, but definitely the major ones. How many of you have been to or even watched the Finance Committee, and/or Council Meetings. Ed is not the one voting one way or another. He gives the information they ask for, he explains why things should go a certain way (weather it be because of laws, rules, or good 'ol mother nature). BUT in the end it is the council that makes the final decision.

Now about my next point is addressing the "Bangor is a Broke as Broke is" comment. A little while back someone mentioned the amount of money that was spent on the Howard Street mess, and blamed Ed Barret and Jim Ring among others. That mess started with the people of Howard Street, continued because they could not agree on what they wanted, and then because of that we the voters had to settle it. The money that was wasted on Howard Street, was wasted by the people more than it was the city. Government does have wasteful spending, but some of it is caused by us.

Great comments bangor101!!!

So I'm going to take some heat here, and will probably be chastised for 'hiding' behind a screen name, but I'm still going to put this out there. I feel that it is inappropriate for a Brewer city council member to be fanning the flames in Bangor (though I couldn't be happier to see Bangorians becoming active in this debate). Were I a Brewer resident I might be looking at my own recall initiative. Given that the two cities have taken steps toward greater collaboration, I see the involvement of a Brewer official to be quite counterproductive and a bit puzzling. I'm trying to make a rational argument, without insults. If you disagree with me, at least do me the favor of explaining how I'm wrong.

I agree - good comments Bangor101, though I do disagree with part of your point about Howard Street. We may have let them waste the money on the foolish project, but at least we had the good sense to correct the error and put them on the right path.

"If somebody wants the fire chief's emails disclosed, they will have to go about it themselves, as I will not attemp to do that. I think it is a little over the top. Further more, Chief Bronson, is not an email type guy, hates it I believe. Larry T. Doughty, South Brewer... "

Just as I figured. More concerned with slinging dung across the river than you are holding your own employees accountable. It is almost laughable that you, of all people, think that this is "a little over the top"! Just another loud-mouth, empty suit politician. Mr. Elmore, why don't you send the City of Brewer a FOI request for the information? It is bound to help you with your efforts. If not Mr. Elmore, how about the BDN. It might make a great headline and sell some papers.

Oh, the brave one is back, under another screen name. Always has an opinion, but never the courage to put his name behind the postings. You have no rational argument. What you really try to accomplish is strike out at this Brewer City Councilor. In fact, I'm not so sure that you are a citizen of Bangor.Probably a resident of Brewer. So, you want the folks posting on the News web page, to make this latest issue all about you. Explaining to you anything is beyond the pale. Not possible to get through. Again, to gain just a smidgen of creditibility, put your name out there, with your comments. Otherwise, you may as well climb back into your hole, wherever that may be, or sign on with your other fake screen name and answer your questions. And please stop picking on me, as you well know, I'm really a think skinned elected official. Have a good Turkey Day Turkey. Larry T. Doughty, South Brewer..larrytdoughty@yahoo.com, www.ourstory.com/larrytdoughty/

Fred, that is so hurtful. Please stop it now, my feelings are fragile.And a Brewer resident no less...oh wow! Another one wishing to make derogatory personal remarks, and yet wants to hide behind a fake screen name. Come on join with Bangorian, and put your words of wisdom with a true name. I wonder what would happen to this NEWS web page, which is a good one, what would happen if all of you brave souls out there, had to give a true identity. Meanwhile, you that want to make disparaging personal remarks can only hide behind fake names. Gee what a life. Now, by the way, why don't you go after the fire chief's emails, but you will have to give up your screen name for a real name. Larry T. Doughty, South Brewer

You better consult with your legal department if you think that someone has to disclose their identity to access public information. Bafoon! Why don't you do the job that we elected you to do? You and Ricky buds or something?

If you are a registered Bangor voter and would like to sign a recall petition, or circulate a petition, you can connect with the recall effort by going to a Facebook "group" page called BANGOR RECALL, or you can try this link to the same place:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=188316467121&ref=nf (copy and paste it to your browser.)

Or you can e-mail me at LXVnow@gmail.com with your details.

And/or you can stop by the Bangor Public Library between 4 and 6 p.m. on Monday, November30 (2nd floor large meeting room) where we will be meeting, organizing, and perhaps even have petitions in hand. In the weeks ahead we will definitely be "out and about". Keep checking the Facebook

Bangor Recall page.

Thanks for your interest. One way or the other, we'll connect. Jim Elmore LXVnow@gmail.com

Finally people are standing up...do not let what has been said or the support shown here slide, make the time, go, and sign the petitions to make a statement in support of Mr. Barrett.

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Bangorian wrote - I agree - good comments Bangor101, though I do disagree with part of your point about Howard Street. We may have let them waste the money on the foolish project, but at least we had the good sense to correct the error and put them on the right path.

Bangorian Look at the Howard Street mess closely... As I said it was the residents of Howard Street that started it... Guess what, it was because the resident of Howard street could not agree on what needed to be done (if anything at all) that kept the issue on the table. It was the residents of Howard street that kept it alive. From where I sat, it was the Council, Ed Barrett, and Jim Ring that were getting to the point that enough is enough. The "stale mate" vote only happened because Green was gone (jailed), so we will never know what the real council vote would have been, but something tells me it would not have ended there anyways. It took a petition started by a resident that put it in the hands of ALL the city voters. It was finally laid to rest after that (maybe). The money was waisted by the people and for the people. Therefore, I stand by my words.

Larry... I thought you would say that, and decline to look into Bronson's emails. I did not expect someone to already be "hurting your feelings" because of your ability to try and dodge. So I will leave that part alone, and allow the Brewer citizens to take care of their own backyard. However I will say this... To me this says that you just want to add to the "mystery".

I would also like to pose another question to you... Was Bronson on the clock with the City of Brewer when he was ON CAMERA in Bangor as Councilor Bronson during the so called "press conference"?

FredZiphel, your pretty clever, but not quite enough. I doubt very much if you ever voted for me for City Council. Thank you! bangor101..I'm sorry if you think I am dodging any questions here. That is not true. I made it perfectly clear, that I would not dig into the Fire Chief's emails. As much as I disagree with the Chief at times, he is entitled to his privicy, would you not agree? If there was some violations of the law, that would be another question, and one for the law enforcement folks. Bronson is entitled to handle issues at time, even on the job as our fire chief. There are times when we all may be called to duty, no matter where we may be. Now doesn't that just bite the hell out of some of the people that post here with their secret screen names? They will just have to get over themselves. And furthermore, I am not the center of the controversey here, as much as some are trying to do, by diverting the attention to thee. As for the question as to whether or not the Chief was on duty, give me a break. The fire chief here, as in any community, is always on duty, and ready to go, and many times in the middle of the night. Frankly bangor101, that is not a concern of mine, and I doubt of anybody on the Brewer, or Bangor City Council. Let's be half fair here at least. What next? Larry T. Doughty, South Brewer, larrytdoughty@yahoo.com, www.ourstory.com/larrytdoughty/

As expected - an insulting response but no explaination of why a Brewer city council member is throwing fuel on the political fire in another city.

Bangorian, you really need to get a life, take a break from your computer. You are apparently obsessed with Larry T. Doughty. You will just have to accept thee on these pages, or what the heck, just don't read this material. I don't know what you expect, other than your a Bangor Councilor, and just cannot cope with reality. So sad, but just get over it. For once, why don't you identify yourself, and don't be a coward. Larry T. Doughty, Of Course.

I agree that the fire chief is entitled to his privacy when he is in his shower, but when he is wearing a brewer fire department uniform (that we paid for) and conducting city of brewer business (that we pay for) he should NOT be conducting city of bangor business (that we DON'T PAY FOR). Your standard seems to be that he has not violated the law (and I'm sure that he hasn't), so why should you look into it.... You either you don't get it or you are scared that brewer (and you) may come under the same scrutiny that our friends across the stream are experiencing. By the way, I did vote for you and I probably will again because I believe that you truly do work in the best interest of brewer (most of the time). Happy Thanksgiving.

Love- Fred

Fred, well your comments are interesting. I trust that you are leveling when you say you voted for me, and may again. Obviously, you may have been on the receiving end of my constituent service's over the past 22 years. I must share a little story here, on what has transpired at times of elections. Voter's will come up and congratulate thee, for winning, and yes, how they voted for me. Well, low and behold, upon looking over the list of those that actually did vote, I note that this individual didn't vote after all. Just a little more fun in politics. Although, you have been critical on these pages of my not wanting to enter the email arena of the fire Chief, I hope you can appreciate, in retrospect, what this could entail, if in fact there is anything there to even look at. I'm not known for skirting any issues, however, controversial. And Happy Thanxgiving to you too..And Love? OK Fred..Larry T. Doughty, South Brewer, larrytdoughty@yahoo.com, www.ourstory.com/larrytdoughty/

Errrr - I'm a coward for suggesting that your involvement in Bangor's controversy is out of line?

Interesting Bangorian, how you have no compuctions about speaking your mind about everything in Bangor, Brewer, or anywhere else, however, you do seem to have a problem with my par-taking in matters across the river. Make up your mind, and again, be brave with your postings, and claim authorship of same. Get over your obsession's of thee, you will probably feel better. Now go take a nap, and yes, you too have a great Turkey Day. Larry T. Doughty, once again just for this Bangorian party.

LTD- I will hold out some hope that you will do the right thing then. Based upon what I have heard today from a city of bangor employee, you'll find what you are looking for.

So far, so good. Monday at 4 p.m. should be a fine time at the Bangor Library 2nd floor meeting room. And we're working to set up a store front location somewhere centrally located in downtown Bangor--to be open probably in the afternoons (1 pm-6 pm) during the month of December. A little "Shop & Sign" action. More on that soon. Jim Elmore LXVnow@gmail.com

The Recall Headquarters will be at 30 Central St., directly across the street from Bagel Central. First day opening is Tuesday, December 1 at 2 p.m.

Hope to see you first at the City Clerk's office for affidavit signing at 4 p.m. Monday, November 30, followed by a organization meeting at the Library.

Jim Elmore (visit FACEBOOK--Bangor Recall page)

elmo67: Will these meetings be well-publicized, besides on here and on Facebook??

There has been some local TV coverage (see the Facebook Bangor Recall site) and the BDN I believe will have a story in tomorrow's edition. Also, I've made phone calls as have other people. I can predict with fair assurance that the affidavit at the city clerk's office will be completed with its 10 signatures tomorrow. The rest of the story will be determined by the turnout at the library. i"m hoping for a good turnout, but won't know 'til it happens. but what i find most encouraging in the last few days is the establishment of a storefront headquarters at 30 Central St, across the street from Bagel Central, which will be open every day except Sunday from 1 to 6 pm. This makes us visible, easy to find, and a cohesive presence. stop by some afternoon!

Fred... Check with that city employee to see what he says about city email... I wonder if it is considerd pubic information... If so, then you should be able to request the information yourself, instead of waiting for Larry.