Well there you have it. Another group will come in and judge the actions of the Hancock Co. Jail. They will determine that there was insufficient security measures at the court house to keep this or any other prisoner from bolting from the court house facility. It will boil down to the lowest common denominator, easy, it must have been all the corrections officers fault. After all the CO's are all supposed to be proficiently trained in mind reading. Long list of mistakes by these highly paid people, from the person who booked him not being able to deduce that the individual they were booking was on medication for depression, not being able to know all the facts that led up to the individuals arrest, what their childhood was like, etc. etc. Why every one knows that the jail has long and extensive files on everyone that has or will come into the jail system. By golly, someone dropped the ball here and we will get to the bottom of it, if we have to fire every CO in the jails to prove it!!

NOT the fault of the design of the Court Complex, which should have a secure route built in from the jail to the Court Room. NOT the fault of the Superior Court Justices, who belive it will taint the accused chances of a fair trial if they enter the court room with security restraints. Can't have people being identified as being accused of a crime being identified, why that would be grounds for a mistrial. God forbid that the defendent be identified during their trial or arraignment.

Now we get to the jail facility itself. The taxpayers paid big bucks for that facility so it must have been designed to perfection. That can't be the problem. Must be that there was a personel problem. Yep, there you have it again. The CO's should have been in the shower with this individual to prevent them from harming themselves. Even though this indiviual was cleared by an indipendent Crisis worker as being stable enough to go into population. Of course that would open another can of worms, individuals must be able to shower without being under direct supervision (grounds for another lawsuit). etc. etc..

Let's just create a whole new set of guidlines that will be almost impossible to follow. Problem solved.

The Cover Up begins.

I don't think anyone can or should blame the corrections officers. They follow policies, so there is a problem with the policies as well as some other issues at play here. Just based on the information being reported some simple common sense would have prevented this. This man was SO desperate and psychologically unstable that he fled from the court room and committed a carjacking, kidnapping and tried to run away from the police. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what he was doing. He wanted the woman out of the car so she would not get hurt. His goal was suicide by cop or crashing the car at a high rate of speed. Whoever made the call NOT to keep him on suicide watch screwed up, that's the bottom line. It SHOULD be policy that anyone who behaves in such a wildly irrational way be put on constant watch and have any implements that can be utilized to harm themselves removed from their cells. Also...if he had only just gotten into jail a few days prior to going to court he should have been in administrative segregation anyway. I'm pretty sure they are supposed to be kept there until ALL necessary information is gathered about them to ensure that any medical, mental health and behavioral concerns can be sorted out and a plan implemented to deal with those things. It's not the correctional officers who are responsible for all that...they just implement the plan.

It's a shame for this man's family and friends.

'THANK YOU OF YOUR OPINION:' Video justice for either as Autopsy report information unknown, to slavery reports unknown, 'WE HAVE A DREAMS' as eye wears {prescription removal of no suicide threats w/inmate on S.S.DISABLE of same action perform 10 years prior @ a different state jail house n2 holding cell - {4-2-2007 ask mason of bangor know} strip of every thing as eye glass to be remove without looking up my S.S.N. [ neglect] [SUICIDE METHODS], is medical and/or mental illness acknowledge. as neglect to look up s.s.n. does play a role in the hospital and jail house only for identify ignorance to other than name, number, photo, criminal records, but where is your medicine fields civil protection medical rights acts at.

as how many judges look up the 'S.S.N.' to cover the jail house 'SUICIDE METHODS' of any type neglect reports and did bangor file the grievance without invoice number as to how many are filed ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

this is a world of imagination to us all as facts speak or fiction written.

Centaurmyst wrote "It SHOULD be policy that anyone who behaves in such a wildly irrational way be put on constant watch and have any implements that can be utilized to harm themselves removed from their cells. Also...if he had only just gotten into jail a few days prior to going to court he should have been in administrative segregation anyway. I'm pretty sure they are supposed to be kept there until ALL necessary information is gathered about them to ensure that any medical, mental health and behavioral concerns can be sorted out and a plan implemented to deal with those things."

And just how big do you think these county jails are? Where are they supposed to get the money that would take to support a seg unit for all new inmates? The staffing alone would be a huge problem. I would suggest that you get a job in anyone of the jails to see what the reality of their situations are. Perfection costs a lot more than the taxpayers are willing to pay.

Sheriff Clarks says____(Sheriff Clark also is conducting an internal investigation of the escape. Clark said he would use staff from the Penobscot County Jail who will serve as consultants. They are expected to be at the jail today.) Whatever you can't do your job so you have to get other people to come in and do the job. for you You know that doesn't surprise me. Wow congrats to 29 years why haven't you improved. Everyone knows there has been attempt suicides in that jail. Hello it is a jail everyone knows a criminal and everyone knows what goes on in that place. You put that jail down in papers and all over the news. Well i think it is all you and ofcoarse still not doing your job. Maybe you should work at that jail. Lets see how well you do. I dont blame the jail. I blame you. Back to that 29 years. Tell me this if you have been in Law enforcement for 29years why do these things happen???????? including outside the jail. hmmmmmmm. I have been to that jail visiting a few people and i find that jail very professional. They keep a good eye on everyone I will say they are more strict then most county jails. Tim went the route he wanted so we just need to leave it at that. Its nobodies fault except his selfish self. I think it is time for a new Sherriff because Sherriff Clark is pathetic and loves attention from the media. Again my condolence to Kellie and her 3 boys. Those boys will grow up with alot questions. Tim being selfish and wasn't thinking of them. That will be with them forever. By the way Tim was not taking depression medicine his family is looking for and excuse like always. I wouldnt be surprise if Tims father doesnt sue the county. Because they are those kinds people and you can't help what you grow up to be. Also my regards goes out to all the corrections officers who were involved. Just remember the inmates study you. So did Tim. They know when and when not to do things. Your in a box with nothing to do all day its obvious. Everyone knows a criminal.

the sheriff clarks doing his on investigation? lol yup an so starts the cover up!!! i hope mr. nichols, will not be blind sided, when he deals with clark or the jail guards, they take care of their own, and they lie. get to the bottom, and you,d better belive someones guilty up there on the hill.

Who cares? one less scum bag! I say hand out rope to every new prisoner.

Whats the sheriff doing still running the Jail? I thought the state took over the operations of running all the Jails in Maine.

Sawyers' original arrest was actually what? I thought I read violation of a protection order? One of those real rational moves from the wisdom of the state. Simply stated just about anybody can have anybody arrested, put in the worst jail known to man, possibly innocent, any movement or breath of air the wrong way can have you implanted, lost job, family, humiliated and then be judged by someone whom has been told what to do by someone who thinks he knows something. Give me liberty or give me death. The dead can speak.

I agree patom1. Been there, done that. Lot's of loop holes.

On 1/5/10 at 4:35 AM, dogood wrote: Repeated separate thumbs down will cause comment to be hidden

Who cares? one less scum bag! I say hand out rope to every new prisoner

couldn't agree more do-good.......remember, just make sure they pass out enough rope to hang themselves....

patom 1, I could not have said it any better. Good job.

Dead inmates tell no tales of prison corruption.

So did the body get a chance to cool off before they cremated it?

Corruption and cover up -- pick a badge number.

When I worked as a C.O. for one of the Maine counties (in the late 80's...), I can tell you this...overpaid? HA! I made $5/hr, and I was paid as a contract employee, so the County didn't even pay half of the taxes, I was responsible for paying the entire tax burden on my $5/hr. For that, I got the honor of having urine and feces thrown on me on a daily basis, being yelled at and called names I won't repeat here...oh yeah, did I mention I had to provide/purchase my own uniforms too?

Did I see any examples of abuse by the CO's on the population? I did. Can I understand how it happens? I can. Do I think the CO's earn(ed) enough to put up with that, even in "my day?" No way. Even in the late 1980's, it wasn't worth $5/hr.

Besides, anyone who wants to commit suicide is going to find a way. And I feel no sympathy for those that figure suicide is the easy way out.

But mostly, I'm pleased-as-punch that the young woman stood up to this man. "Most people" live in such fear these days that they let themselves been trod over on a regular basis. Congratulations to this brave young girl for standing up for herself. Nice to know there are still people out there with that kind of courage. Maybe our society isn't as badly off as I thought.

He committed suicide because he wanted to, who's to say he wouldn't have done it if he could have been bailed out somehow. Sad, leaving kids to deal with it, but he died by his own hands, which apparently was what he wanted. How many thousands of dollars will be used for this "investigation"?

He has his own shower in his cell? Are taxpayers paying for efficiency apartments for inmates?

This man was in a lot of pain. Depression is as much a killer as cancer or addiction to drugs and alcohol. My heart goes out to his children. Judge not for we know not how he was raised. Nor do we know the affect depression has on one until we have lived it! I can tell you..... It is HELL on earth.

"Inmate suicide probe ends"

Yep, he's still dead.

I guess this guy's motto was, "Give me liberty or give me death."

MiamiJohn17: *LOL* Man, whatever you're on, must be good stuff. :-)

Miamijohn17: stop drinking so much coffee.

John's wound up tighter than a 8 day clock.

Is this the same sheriff Clark who was HC Sheriff in the Seventies? Lousy, ineffective, and apparently immortal.

Sure, blame the sheriff for everything. He's done a pretty good job in my opinion with the limitations he has in funds and materials and manpower shortages, not to mention all the negative feedback and bad feelings from those who probably hate anyone in law enforcement for whatever their reason. Inmate dies, blame the sheriff. People speeding, blame the sheriff. Not enough operating funds to hire more deputies, blame the sheriff. People can't stay out of trouble, blame the sheriff. If you think you can do a better job, don't run your mouth, run for his position next time. Then see how easy it is.

UNTIL YOU HAVE BEEN THERE TO FEEL THE ACTION TAKEN UPON YOU, AS TO WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY NEW YEARS,

THANK YOU OF YOUR RESPONSE THAT HAS OPEN SOME EYES AS OTHER EYES STILL CLOSE,

FACTS IS NOT ANGER AS FICTION TO RELEASE . . . [have you been there before].

INMATE ONLY KNOW THE DANGER OF BE ADMITTED THERE.

Is medical and/or mental illness still being IGNORED.

NOTHIN STEVEY_DEE YOU NEED A 24 HOUR CLOCK 2 CATCH UP WITH TODAY LIFE.

DAVIDREED WANT YOU ASK HARRYHSNYDERIII IF HE KNOW WHERE THE GOOD STUFF AT.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW THE INMATE HAD HIS OWN PERSONAL SHOWER ALL TO HIS SELF.

wow, we need to think about the relatives especially the kids. stop the fighting and bickering. What happened is done and over with. Let the family move on and not keep hearing about the suicide!!!

TO eaterofketchup.. If he were to do the audit/review himself you would be crying cover-up...... He is having an independent review as to get true unadulterated answers.....

tikitorch.. you have no clue. eaterofketchup has very valid points and you ASSUME this person would cry coverup? I feel that you are wrong. No matter who does the audit/review someone will cry coverup. I think it is cutom to have another county to do the reviews, etc only because of people who would cry coverup. please get your facts straight before you assume something. convertiblegirl..... what Tim did was what he did. the jail personnel do not need to sit there 24/7 to watch inmates. i believe they have rounds every so many minutes to check on all of them. i do not know much about the jail, but i do know that what happened was noone's fault but the guy who died!!! if you think he will go to hell because suicide is considered a sin, so be it. believe what you must. maybe you are right that he couldn't deal with everything, but the only person that knows what was actually going on in his mind is gone

DavidReed12:44 PM~ HouseMD 12:49 PM~ Stevie Dee 12:56 PM~ Please be kind to MiamiJohn17... he does a great job trying to express himself. He has had a severe traumatic brain injury and I have to give the man credit for trying.

MiamiJohn17~ Keep trying my friend.... you're doing just fine.

Having worked at the Hancock County Jail as a CO for a few years I can tell you first hand quite a few things about this facility. This inmate knew the routine,he knew exactly when to commit suicide. This time of morning is extremely busy. Breakfast, med call, rec time, laundry exchange. I could go on and on. Pair this with incoming inmates, court appearances,lawyers in and out, other inmates causing trouble. These CO's are all over the place trying to make sure no person's rights are violated because believe me , they will scream that at you.

Also it's pretty difficult to hang yourself there,they have precautions in place ,structurally, to help with this. I was surprised he actually was successful. He waited for the perfect time to do this. Most people who really want to commit suicide are not going to let you know. They don't want you to stop them so therefore they "are fine". Sad he took this way out, mostly for the family he left behind.

Maybe I'm blind, but I still don't see the problem; Guy sees years of prison time ahead of him, and he elects to die instead. IMHO every potential prisoner should be offered this option. I know for me personally, I'd choose death over imprisonment.

kramergal, how many drugs found their way into the jail?

'IF SOME REMEMBER MR TRAINOR OF SEPT. 15 A.D.A. FOR 3X LEGAL LIMIT OF OUI, TO WHAT HAPPEN OF HIM IN BELFAST, AS TO WAS THAT FORGOTTEN ALSO ? ? ?

JW Booth: You would be surprised at how much "gets in". They are very clever when t comes to their drugs. Even cigarettes, what some will do.

Indeed, kramergal.

How much comes from the evidence locker?

What an awful thing to do to your family. Its bad enough to abuse them and get yourself in there but to kill yourself over your troubles and leave that feeling with your family thats even worse. Im sorry this man felt this was his only way out if he'd of sought help he may have been a great and lovable citizen. But we will never know. He must of been a great man to one special lady at one time becaue she loved him enough to give him a child or children which ever the case may be. Obvioulsy something mentally was wrong because no-one in their right mind would commit suicide.its just so sad.

JWBooth: Actually,none. Not to say that it doesn't happen but the staff I worked with was honest, trust worthy, and very hard working.