AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown

It's good to pray to God to help these people in Zimbabwe, but if God was the ultimate good, would this mess be going on in the first place?

Well said, Mike.

I also can feel for the people of Zimbabwe, but what about the people struggling in our own country?

All the bad that happens in the world is because of sin....we make choices/decisions, and not all of them are good. God gave us free will which means we are free to believe in Him and receive all that He has to offer; or we can choose that there is no God, and live with the consequences of that decision. This "mess" (as you put it) is going on because of that sin.....He is not doing it to us......we do it to ourselves because of the choices we make. Your right/wrong is different from my right/wrong.....so, who's right? God ultimately gets to make that decision.....He gives us guidelines and we can choose to live by those guidelines, or we can choose to make up our own guidelines based on what WE feel is right which doesn't mean it is. As long as we continue to choose to rebel against Him, and until His son Jesus returns, the world will continue to be a "mess."

hyperinflation is what has crushed Zimbabwe and it is what we are on the doorstep of in this country!!

Mike and Tedlick, Instead of being angry at God, why not do something about it. maybe help. God is good despite the evils of man.

And if one man puts his trust in god, he can feed and help thousands of africans.God can take something meant for evil and make it good. like Jim Robison, who was the product of a rape. He now runs Life Outreach that feeds thousands of africans each year. Its not gods will that any should

perish

A few details that the story fails to mention... Zimbabwe was once the envy of many other African nations and a model to show that it is possible for Africans to escape the poverty and disease that dominates their continent. Their current dire straights were caused by the takeover by the Marxist dictatorship of Robert Mugabe. Shortly after the takeover, the Mugabe government confiscated the most productive farms and ranches that were each producing the food to feed many thousands of Zimbabeans. They then broke up these lands into small plots and gave them away to poor people who had never owned property or produced anything before. The food production plummeted and now they're starving. The government's justification or motivation for this? The landowners were white and the government dependants that they gave the land to were supposedly victims who needed to be made whole in the name of "social justice".

Moral of the story? Marxism has failed again.

Hey Brown - bet you're all in favor of Obamacare, Obamataxes, and Obamaplans to redistribute wealth. This is where Zimb. was, this is where we are headed. YOU need to do something other than pounding your keyboard and waiting the check to arrive in your mailbox (it ain't gonna happen).

Sin is a man-made concept.

Mad at God? Not hardly. Mad at people who blame the human condition on being human? Sure.

If the Xian deity is "all knowing", "all powerful", and "all loving" he could stop the suffering of children and others who have done nothing to slight him.

He doesn't. The "all loving" crap dies right there. If it's not his will that any should perish, according to the "all powerful" principle, none would perish.

It's a moronic concept with NO practical demonstration in reality. It's a sham.

Let "God" take care of Zimbabwe, I'm having all I can do to take care of my family and myself.

By the way reverend, you don't have to leave Maine to find misery.

Let GOD sort that mess out in Zimbabwe. After all he made Africa. He made the United States and we are in a total disaster too.

Tedlick....You need to go back to Sunday School. God gave the human being FREE WILL. It's up to the individual to make his way in the world, and do the right thing. He gave us life, and free will to do with it what we will. Zimbabwe chose the path a least resistance, which is more often than not, the wrong path. Taking property from the Farm owners and giving it to war criminals was a bad idea, and yet Mugabe continues to do it. That is why they are dying, that is why they fail. God has nothing to do with it.

"God has nothing to do with it."

Well, that much we can surely agree on.

This is what happens when you kill the White Farmers and confiscate their farms in the name of the people. This country use to be the bread basket of Africa, plenty of food for the people plus surplus to sell on the foreign markets. Well its over now. STARVATION is your new crop. Enjoy the bounty.

Someone once said, any conversation taken to its extreme conclusion either ends with Jesus or Hitler. Both had reasonable if opposing, solutions for the problems of Zimbabwe.

Simple analogy, won't you digress Harry....Really, Zimbabwe is actually a microcosim(sp) of the Western World's White Guilt dilemia, is it not. When you take property away from the productive, motivated, hard working populace and give it to the dregs of society, what do you think will happen. Exactaly what happened in Zimbabwe. The really tragic thing that happened there, was that the African community was flourishing. Everyone had jobs, education, and the highest standard of living on the enitre contienent. And then a Marxist had a coupe..

Taken from Grace to you website

Gods Sovereignty

God made known the mystery of His will "according to His kind intention which He purposed in [Christ] with a view to an administration suitable to the fulness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth" (Eph. 1:9-10).

For centuries men of various philosophical schools have debated the cause, course, and climax of human history. Some deny God and therefore deny any divine involvement in history. Others believe that God set everything in motion, then withdrew to let it progress on its own. Still others believe that God is intimately involved in the flow of human history and is directing its course toward a specific, predetermined climax.

In Ephesians 1:9-10 Paul settles that debate by reminding us that Jesus Himself is the goal of human history. In Him all things will be summed up--all human history will be resolved and united to the Father through the work of the Son.

As Paul said elsewhere, "It was the Father's good pleasure for all the fulness [of deity] to dwell in [Christ], and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross" (Col. 1:19-20). The culmination of Christ's reconciling work will come during His millennial kingdom (Rev. 20). Following that, He will usher in the eternal state with a new heaven and earth (Rev. 21).

Despite the political uncertainty and military unrest in the world today, be assured that God is in control. He governs the world (Isa. 40:22-24), the nations (Isa. 40:15- 17), and individuals as well (Prov. 16:9). God's timetable is right on schedule. Nothing takes Him by surprise and nothing thwarts His purposes. Ultimately He will vanquish evil and make everything right in Christ.

forHIMtoday pardon me while I go to the bathroom and puke. Don't you know it is an abomination to praise god in public where all can see and hear?

forHIMtoday pardon me while I go to the bathroom and puke. Don't you know it is an abomination to praise god in public where all can see and hear?

Ah yes... God's grace...

Like the "grace" he just crapped all over Haitian children who are innocent of any wrongdoing.

What a lovely guy.

tedlick, haven't you heard? Pat Robertson says it's because the Haitians "made a pact with the devil." Remember he said HIV in Haiti was "God's retribution" also.

Oh, I heard William... I chocked on dinner when I heard it.

Robertson is batshiat crazy... I don't really think anyone takes him seriously.

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forHIMtoday pardon me while I go to the bathroom and puke. Don't you know it is an abomination to praise god in public where all can see and hear?

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Harry where on earth did you come up with that?

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Ah yes... God's grace...

Like the "grace" he just crapped all over Haitian children who are innocent of any wrongdoing.

What a lovely guy.

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I have no doubt that every child that died in Haiti is now in Gods presence where they will never suffer again. You on the other hand have absolutely no hope. You have by your own free will rejected Christ, there is no other name by which man can be saved. You have done all this to pursue a lustful perversion. These kinds of tragedy's should serve as a wake up call. None of us knows when our day will come. I'm ready....are you?

1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us

kind of ironic how teddy is so concerned for the children yet endorses abortion???

2:48 pm, ted don't you know that in 4Blasph's world, God only loves white children?

4Blasph, how many of those poor Haitian children have you helped today? Will you be helping the Haitian mothers so they won't have to choose between life and poverty?

anna, you need counseling, you really do. I'm sure you must go to bed every night feeling like the most lonely person on earth. You have this self hate and insecurity thats so apparent here, sad really. One has to wonder how long you've been dragging around this incredible weight that is eating you up so badly. Its tiresome to us, I can only imagine how tired those around you must be. God loves you, He really does.

forHIMtoday wrote:

"Harry where on earth did you come up with that?"

Matthew 6:5 - 7

Harry lets look at Matthew 6 and put in in its rightful text. As with any scripture it always best to look at the verses that proceed and precede the verse to best understand it.

Mat 6:1-7 "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

"So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees {what is done} in secret will reward you.

"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees {what is done} in secret will reward you.

"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.

Its clear to me that God word is talking about doing your giving and praying to be seen by people doing it rather than doing it from a sincere heart. Do you give to the poor and then announce it to people? Are you giving out of the heart or giving so your friends, family and co-workers will think highly of you. When you pray are you doing it out of a sincere heart or to be seen praying to appear “holy” in front of people. God knows your motives, you may fool those around you but you certainly aren't going to fool God. Giving, praying and fasting should be acts of worship, never displays of self righteousness.

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Yeap. Te quotes are correct. I guess we just interpret them differently. What it says to me is that those who shout their prayers on the street or trumpet their charity get their "rewards" through acknowledgment from men, but those who pray and give without fanfare get their reward form god.

Maybe a topic you should raise in your next bible study group?

Well harry it looks to me from your last post that we are in agreement on the interpretation of those verses. You have yet to explain to me how that has anything to do with my post on 1/15/10 @ 7:45 that you commented on.