The Century C-15 is classified as an assault rifle and it is available at Buyers’ Guns in Holden. Store owner Ralph McLeod said interest in this type of weapon is up, as people fear new political efforts are on the horizon to ban assault weapons.Buy Photo
In the short term, this week’s election of Barack Obama to be the next president of the United States and Democratic gains in Congress have been good for Ralph McLeod’s gun business.
But the owner of Buyers’ Guns in Holden is worried about the long term.
That’s because McLeod, along with gun shop owners across Maine and the nation, are fearful of what they see as the coming liberal majority’s agenda in Washington as it pertains to gun control legislation.
“The Democrats in Congress have an assault rifle ban ready to go,” McLeod said. “They held on to it because they knew [President] Bush would pocket veto it, [but] most likely Obama will sign it.”
Concerns over different gun control legislation scenarios were publicized strongly by the National Rifle Association in the weeks leading up to the election and helped fuel a nationwide boom in the sale of assault rifles such as the AK-47 and AR-15.
During the campaign, the NRA warned that Obama would be the “most anti-gun president in American history.” And while Vice President-elect Joe Biden owns shotguns, he has supported a ban on assault weapons and has said private sellers at gun shows should be required to perform background checks.
In Maine, where trucks equipped with rifle racks are a common sight, there is concern among gun dealers over any changes in gun control legislation.
“The Democrats have a history of ramming gun control down our throats,” said Rick Lozier, manager at Van Raymond Outfitters in Brewer. “Legal gun owners are going to get screwed.”
Lozier points to the voting records of Obama, Biden and Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi, who he said all have supported gun legislation in the past.
During the 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Obama stopped short of saying he supported state licensing and registering of gun owners, but indicated he did support efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers.
“We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country,” Obama said during the debate. “You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, and teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.”
That’s the kind of statement that has McLeod, Lozier and Orrington gun dealer Don Barrett worried.
“Since the election, people are more or less scared and buying guns,” Barrett said. “The country has a more liberal government now and when it comes to firearms, they will disarm the entire country.”
As far as Lozier is concerned, steps to increase gun control, especially when it comes to assault rifles, have little meaning in a state like Maine where, he points out, most honest gun owners use their firearms for hunting.
“How many assault rifles do you see on the streets in Maine?” he said.
The problem, he said, is the criminal element bringing those weapons into the state for illegal purposes and that, he adds, has law-abiding Mainers worried given the increases in home break-ins and armed assaults.
“I haven’t seen a spike in gun sales but more of a shift to personal protection weapons like handguns and shotguns,” Lozier said. “I would probably see a spike in sales if not for the economy.”
Clayton Kelley, owner of Kelley’s Gun Shop in Limestone, also has seen an increase in the sale of weapons for personal protection.
“Most people are buying handguns,” Kelley said. “I’ve sold about 30 in the last month or two [and] lately everyone’s been worried about the election and afraid the government will take their guns away.”
At the Old Town Trading Post, sales are up but owner David Hanson said that’s normal given the start of deer hunting season in Maine.
However, Hanson did say that he, too, has seen an increased interest in handguns and people looking for handgun safety courses.
But it’s not just the handguns. The market for high-powered assault weapons in the state also has recently been fueled by fears of a possible ban.
“I’ve sold 100 [assault rifles] in the last three months,” McLeod said. “Last year over that same time I sold maybe 10 or 20.”
For the 10 years between 1994 and 2004, McLeod was unable to sell any assault rifles because of a ban on the weapons signed into law by President Clinton.
That law, McLeod said, was largely “cosmetic” as gun enthusiasts had only to remove the rifle’s flash hider and bayonet lugs to have the weapon classified as a “sporting weapon.”
This time around, McLeod fears, the proposed law will be much more stringent.
“They are modeling it after the Connecticut law,” he said. “That law has been taken to court and tested.”
Under the Connecticut law, the AR-15 and AK-47 assault rifles and their clones would be banned along with so-called high-capacity clips capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
“This will be much wider-ranging,” McLeod said, adding that in the short range he stands to “make a pile of money,” but if a ban is passed, that business will dry up not only for gun dealers but also for the dozens of assault rifle manufacturers in this country.
Not everyone shares the gun dealers’ concerns.
“We don’t have a platform for gun control,” said Rebecca Pollard, communications director for the Maine Democratic Party. “This is nothing more than typical Republican fear-mongering.”
In fact, Pollard said members of her party tend to steer clear of gun control issues as many are themselves gun owners and avid recreational hunters.
Just how many of those gun owners are out there in Maine can only be estimated, as there are no federal laws requiring gun registrations.
Instead, according to Dale Armstrong, regional agent in charge at the Portland office of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, anyone purchasing a gun through a reputable dealer at a store must fill out a form listing name, address and any criminal convictions.
That information is submitted to the ATF, which confirms the purchaser’s answers.
“The records of that check are destroyed after two weeks,” Armstrong said. “The original application form never leaves the gun dealer’s files.”
However, Armstrong pointed out, no such forms are required for sales between private individuals or at gun shows.
“The ATF can trace guns that are sold through dealers,” he said. “But there’s no saying what happens to a gun if a private individual sells it.”
As for any increases in actual gun sales in recent months, Armstrong said since there is no national registration documenting ownership, such information is largely anecdotal.
But the media are documenting a lot of information about gun sales.
Fort Worth's Cheaper Than Dirt! gun store reported about $480,000 in sales in October 2007 but $890,000 last month, jumping to $1 million including the first four days of November.
Gun retailers in Kansas reported sales rose as much as 15 percent in the months before the election as most polls showed Obama leading Republican John McCain.
In the end, any talk of gun control or bans on certain weapons, McLeod said, will do nothing to increase the safety of the general public.
“The bad guys don’t care about assault rifles; they want handguns,” he said. “Do you think a criminal is going to take the time to fill out the proper documentation to legally buy a gun? In the end, the people you are trying to affect will not be affected by the law — there’s a reason they are criminals.”
On 11/8/08 at 5:48 AM,
Millinocket wrote:
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GO TO (WWW CHANGE.GOV/AGENDA/URBANPOLICY) CHECK IT OUT HE WILL AND IS GOING TO TAKE OUT RIGHTS AND FLUSH THEM AWAY!!! OH AND THIS SITE IS OBAMA ANDS BIDEN'S PLAN FOR AMERICA. READ AND WEAP.
On 11/8/08 at 6:46 AM,
Michigal wrote:
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Oh for heaven's sake. I'm a Democrat, and am sick of hearing from the NRA about how the Democrats will take away your guns. Your RIGHTS have been taken away by eight long years of Bush, and I don't see the crying about that.
Let's hope President Elect Obama will dump that garbage known as the Patriot Act and restore our rights. That's what all you "gun nuts" should have been worried about all along.
Oh, and by the way, I own guns myself. Yep, and I'm a big bad Democrat. AND female.
On 11/8/08 at 7:08 AM,
MrNixxon wrote:
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Well, Michigal, I'm a big bad conservative and DON'T own a gun. Yet. Funny how people will stereotyp anyone. You don't have to be a certain race (the race simply depends on your geography at the time).I don't understand the need for an asault rifle. It's used for assaults not hunting. Some ( not all or even a lot though) of the folks that own them makie me nervous enough without the rifles. Can someone seriously explain why you would own one other than the fact that you're allowed to. What good are they unless the commies come over the wall? That's a serious question.
On 11/8/08 at 7:18 AM,
chieflaw01 wrote:
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I am a Democrat, have been in law enforcement for 35 years, and have, still do, owned numerous guns. We have the right to bear arms in this country, however, assault weapons are exactly that. Their distribution SHOULD be controlled.
On 11/8/08 at 7:39 AM,
Millinocket wrote:
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READ ALL HE HAS TO SAY FOLKS, IF I WANTED TO LIVE IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY I WOULD HAVE STAYED IN EUROPE, THE PRESIDENT TAKES AN OATH TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION NOT CHANGE IT FOR POLITCAL GAIN OR IDEAOLOGY. THE BILL OF RIGHTS WAS MADE FOR A REASON TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL FROM A GOVERNMENT THAT DISREGARDS THE PEOPLES RIGHTS OR THE STATES RIGHTS. MAY THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS REMEMBER THEIR OATH AS I DO TO DEFEND THIS COUNTRY HER PEOPLE AND CONSTITUTION.
On 11/8/08 at 8:01 AM,
Joshua wrote:
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Neither handguns or assault rifles should be legal. Even the great Redneck band Lynyrd Skynyrd, who said "gimme back my bullets", was against handguns. What purpose does a handgun or assault rifle serve? You can't hunt with them...the only people that buy them are wannabe thugs and men who aren't comfortable with their masculinity. If you want to hunt, get a hunting rifle, I have no problem with that in any way, but handguns and assault rifles should (and probably will) be banned. The protection agrument is stupid, too, because if someone breaks into your house you're not going to be able to run and get your AK before they steal your stuff, and even if you do you're probably going to get shot if you go around trying to poke your prized handgun in some robber's face.
On 11/8/08 at 8:27 AM,
Tikitorch wrote:
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KUDOS Millinocket…….BUT Michigal you cry about hearing about this and liberals can't accept Civil Unions instead of marriage (remember this is something yu want not something being taken away from you)..... most of us don’t want to hear about that anymore ... You all feel that is your right and we feel the RIGHT TO OWN ARMS IS OURS!!! JUST BECAUSE THIS ISN'T IMPORTANT TO YOU DOES NOT MEAN IT ISNT IMPORTANT. My family hunts and always has; we depend on bear, deer, ducks, and partridge to fill our freezer every winter. This helps our food costs and if this right is TAKEN AWAY many families who are working class NOT ON WELFARE will suffer not to mention it is just wrong. We have the right to protect ourselves and our families. I don't feel the Patriot act took anything away from my family. We don't do anything wrong so we don’t fear it! We feel protected by it... We don't need another 9/11 ( I am sure you are sick of hearing of that too) If you don't want to hear or read about this, don't you have the choice that is what is great about this country! Joshua who are you to say handguns are to be banned? Have you ever had an intruder in your home? I had a very close relative who had their home invaded 4 years ago, if she had a hand gun ready she may not have been tied to a chair, duct taped and had a man attempt to rape & rob her. This in serene DE Maine in a town that would never ever think this would happen and our drug problem only makes these types of crimes more likely to happen in the future, I know all too well my husband is a law enforcement officer. If someone breaks in my home and I get shot defending it… well that is a chance I am going to take rather than just lay back and let someone rape me or kill me or my child in the process. What are you going to do with an intruder, try to hug him and talk him out of it? These people don’t listen to reason, but they respect looking down a barrel of a Glock.
On 11/8/08 at 8:30 AM,
Tikitorch wrote:
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ps Joshua many hunters also carry handguns in addition to rifles and shotguns as a back up, especially in bear infested areas....
On 11/8/08 at 10:35 AM,
JJHampden wrote:
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I Still have the Right to protect myself, my family and my property to the Death.
I Will Defend that Right to do so to the death.
I will Not be a victim, despite what some seem to think is a "preferred status."
I will not live in fear, I will remain in control.
On The Sword Excalibur I Swear It !
As far as "high capacity" magazines go, Some need only One shot, for One kill.
Plan to use at least Three on a lethal assailant threatening you in your home to stop him Cold.
A handy sidearm is the preferred weapon in this circumstance.
Assess the situation correctly, don't attempt negotiation, you are not a criminal psychologist.
Don't hesitate, don't flinch, don't be a victim.
You have the Right to end it now. Two to the chest, one to the head.
The gun grabbers would rather tax you to pay for more state sponsored lawyers, psychologists and prisons.
Part of the reason the crime rate has been relatively low in Maine is due to it's citizens being armed and able to
defend themselves. This is generally known and heeded by criminals.
Google: "Australian gun ban result" and read this: Since Australia's gun ban, armed robberies increase 45% !
On 11/8/08 at 11:02 AM,
CeeBlue wrote:
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Read - 'Chieflaw'- :
---: who's side are we to believe they are on !
-----: and guess who will be sent to our door to 'check on our rights'
- Defend your Right to Keep and Bear Aerms
On 11/8/08 at 12:15 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Joshua, Handguns serve the purpose of personnal protection, they are re quite fun to target practice with, and excellent as a side arm for hunting.
The fact that you find them pointless leads me to believe you don't read much about about some of the folks that have had to use this form of weapon as self defense. Wake up Joshua.
On 11/8/08 at 12:17 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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JJHampden. You are a person I would love to have in my neighborhood.. Most of us believe just that. Kudos brother.
On 11/8/08 at 12:27 PM,
BlueCollarBob wrote:
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You know folks, I'm such a fool. I should have bought stock in Smith & Wesson long ago. They are marketing geniuses! Stock up now before it's revealed that Obama is not going to take your guns away! Woo hoo!
On 11/8/08 at 12:41 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Guns are a sound investment either way Bob. It is highly unlikely they will ever decrease in value, they hold value, and resell easily. Soo Woo Hoo to You.
On 11/8/08 at 12:42 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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All this talk of guns is giving me the itch to go target practice in my backyard. Wonder which ones I'll use...........
On 11/8/08 at 1:41 PM,
searoses wrote:
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
that's 2nd amendment...and you can see the citizen militia is the only reason that we were given the right bear arms...and now that's not needed so maybe we shouldn't have the right..
I grew up with guns and believe that guns. don't kill people , people kill people....I think we have more responsible with our guns and our laws....all of you that feel more manly going out and shooting the shit out of a paper target....hoo rah big man....what a waste of money....no I don't hate guns...
On 11/8/08 at 1:48 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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To all those fools who think "assault" rifles should be made illegal:
Assault rifles are already illegal.
Next time, know what you're talking about instead of falling for gun-grabbing spin.
On 11/8/08 at 1:57 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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Disarm a country's citizens, and tyranny eventually results.
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The founding fathers were students of history, and knew that well.
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The birth of individual freedom started with the English longbow in the hands of ordinary people, the threat of which greatly helped to end the tyranny of feudalism.
On 11/8/08 at 2:10 PM,
searoses wrote:
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Concerns over different gun control legislation scenarios were publicized strongly by the National Rifle Association in the weeks leading up to the election and helped fuel a nationwide boom in the sale of assault rifles such as the AK-47 and AR-15 bangor daily nov 8 2008
On 11/8/08 at 2:20 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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searoses (and author of this news story): please define, "assault rifle."
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Then tell us what's so special about the so-called "assault" rifles currently being legally sold, that they should be banned.
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Is it because they look mean?
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What is it, exactly?
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On 11/8/08 at 2:59 PM,
dustin wrote:
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It's funny how scared of everything you gun worshiping tards are. You are the most chickenshit people around.
What can you possibly need an assault rifle for?
You'd be better off spending your money on education.
And yes, I own a gun.
On 11/8/08 at 3:00 PM,
dustin wrote:
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Millinocket,
You're stupid.
On 11/8/08 at 3:01 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Who said anything about paper targets?
On 11/8/08 at 3:10 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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dustin wrote: "What can you possibly need an assault rifle for? "
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So tell us, dustin--what makes legal "assault" rifles, more dangerous than other guns?
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Just so we'll all know that you know what you're talking about.
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To assure us you're not just parroting liberal spin without realizing it.
On 11/8/08 at 3:47 PM,
dustin wrote:
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I didn't say anything about more dangerous!
You failed to answer the question.
I simply asked, what can you possibly need an assault rifle for?
On 11/8/08 at 3:51 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Dustin, from what I can gather, a chap like yourself spending money on an education is a bigger waste than buying a gun just to have. Get a clue my boy. Rights are rights until they are taken away. I have many guns/pistols, no "assault rifles" .
To an earlier comment about fumbling around for the pistol to protect your home. Don't break in to my house, cause I don't fumble. I know exactly where my guns are. We keep them safe from the children, and in addition, my children have been taught to be aware to guns at and away from home. They know that if they see a gun, run and tell an adult.
On 11/8/08 at 3:57 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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dustin wrote: "what can you possibly need an assault rifle for? "
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So tell me, dustin, what you mean by an assault rifle, and I'll let you know why it might be needed.
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You must know what you mean by an "assault" rifle--because you seem so opinionated about them.
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On 11/8/08 at 4:01 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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And for the record dustin, chances are in my favor that I could take care of you without a gun. However, you come into my house as an intruder...we will not have the chance to find out. You will either quickly submit and wait for the police(preferred option by all), or I will exercise my right to protect my family and self.
On 11/8/08 at 4:03 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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dustin wrote: "I didn't say anything about [assault rifles being] more dangerous!"
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Well then, why exactly do you think "assault" rifles should be outlawed?
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If you don't see a difference between "assault" rifles and other rifles--we might be inclined to think you're just a gun-hater who really wants to outlaw all rifles.
On 11/8/08 at 4:03 PM,
dustin wrote:
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jake04743,
Wow! You're pretty tough!
Someone earlier mentioned an AR-15, why would you need that?
On 11/8/08 at 4:04 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Tough enough.
On 11/8/08 at 4:05 PM,
dustin wrote:
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jake04743,
Your a tool.
On 11/8/08 at 4:08 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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And a pretty handy one at that. Punk
On 11/8/08 at 4:12 PM,
dustin wrote:
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jake04743,
haha! good one.
Seriously though, it's good your kids know to find an adult when they see a gun.
Take care
On 11/8/08 at 4:12 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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dustin wrote: "Someone earlier mentioned an AR-15, why would you need that?"
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You don't even seem know what a legally sold civilian model AR-15 is, so you're not even qualified to ask the question.
On 11/8/08 at 4:15 PM,
dustin wrote:
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Dude,
Why don't you tell me why you want the gun in the picture on this article.
On 11/8/08 at 4:17 PM,
dustin wrote:
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what can you possibly need a C-15 like the one pictured above for?
On 11/8/08 at 4:21 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Good day Dustin. Just remember rights are rights. The more they take away, the less you and I have. Responsible ownership of any firearm is a must.
An assault rifle in my hands is a lot safer to the public than an attacker with a sling shot.
On 11/8/08 at 4:53 PM,
JMill85 wrote:
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Each law abiding citizen must be considered his own militia and therefore allowed the same right to bear arms. We do not need guns to protect us from commies or our neighbors, but to keep our own government from seizing all of our remaining rights away from us while we stand empty handed with our thumbs in our @$$es. There will come a time when americans will have had enough of the fear mongering, the rights denial, the outrageous spending and profiteering, the global domination and the depressing monetary system and economic caste system that this country thrives on and when that time comes they will want to stand up and fight. We must have that right.
On 11/8/08 at 6:19 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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dustin wrote: "what can you possibly need a C-15 like the one pictured above for?"
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Because real assault rifles are already illegal for civilian ownership, so we civilians have to buy make believe ones--that the one in the picture--instead.
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On 11/8/08 at 6:27 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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Now, dustin, your turn to tell me why you want to ban guns.
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On 11/8/08 at 6:56 PM,
gw2kpro wrote:
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People like dustin are so afraid of everything they don't like and don't understand.......... He'd be in favor of taking my Glock 20 if he had his way.... why?
What's it to him if I own a handgun?
He'll never see it if he doesn't break into my home.
Sorry if I have less than zero confidence a police officer would make it's way to my home in less than 10 minutes if I ever needed one. However, I will never apoogize for being ready to protect my kids, my wife, and myself if (God forbid) I'd ever have to.
On 11/8/08 at 7:04 PM,
gw2kpro wrote:
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PS, the article above is in error. It states that people are afraid that "new political efforts are on the way to ban assault weapons". That's not true. Assault weapons have already been banned.
What people are actually afraid of is new political efforts on the way to ban the other (non-assault) weapons we are still allowed to have.
It would be asinine for me to claim that because I don't like what someone has to say, their first amendment rights should be taken away. It's equally asinine to claim that because you don't like guns, people shouldn't be allowed to own them.
Of course, no right exists unfettered. There are reasonable controls in place on free speech (you can't yell fire in a crowded room) and there are reasonable controls in place on gun ownership (you can't buy an assault rifle).
On 11/8/08 at 8:12 PM,
Lobstarok wrote:
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JOIN THE NRA NOW! THEY ARE SOME OF THE FEW WHO WILL TAKE THIS CRAP ON
On 11/8/08 at 8:42 PM,
leumas wrote:
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chiefflwa01 ; assault weapons are as affective as a handgun. You never hit what your aiming at and usually don't kill it. Too inefective to be banned.
On 11/8/08 at 9:02 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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gw2kpro: I see through their gun-grabbing plan:
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First they get the public to ban make-believe assault rifles, because they are somehow more deadly (when of course they are as safe as any semi-automatic sporting rifle).
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Then they'll turn around and say, "how can we allow semi-automatic rifles to be sold, when they are as dangerous as banned make-believe assault rifles, which are also semi-automatic!"
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On 11/8/08 at 9:06 PM,
leumas wrote:
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joshua: you little moron, move to Jacksonville florida and mumble those words out on the street if some thug hears you, your wife will be raped and you and your kids will be shot dead for 3 dollars. The police will, however, try to find out who did it. It's not the police's job to protect you , only to solve the crime. I used to think like you. I was raised in Maine and moved to Carolina and Florida. You ain't seen criminals until you live here. A gun in the house down here usually means you live another day and the thug doesn't. log on to : WJXT or NEWSFORJAX.COM, and tell me you see no need for guns especially in the home. We have 200+ murders just in this town with cops killing 20 that were trying to kill them. You live up there in Maine with an all white population and ,yes you are quite secure. Move to New Orleans and you won't last a year. Illegal drugs are illegal.....Have you ever heard of anyone smoking pot???? Around here convicted felons can't have firearms....guess how many didn't listen to the law.....all of them. They all cary loaded guns.
On 11/8/08 at 9:18 PM,
leumas wrote:
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And the crapped upon "assault" weapon is usually a short barreled .223 caliber rifle semi-automatic, more appropriate for shooting rats and small deer at close range. I have no use for them just because they don't do the job.
On 11/8/08 at 9:27 PM,
ParkAvenueJoe wrote:
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dustin wrote: "what can you possibly need a C-15 like the one pictured above for? "
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Since when must I show a "need" before I can enjoy my constitutional rights?
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What are you, a socialist or something?
On 11/8/08 at 10:23 PM,
Jennifer wrote:
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leumas I lived in FL for 4 years and LOVED the fact that if someone broke in my home I could shoot first and ask questions later...Democratic Maine isn't going to be as forgiving as FL in those situations I am sure! Well, unless you are a druggie shooting your wife for cheating on you then you only get 12 years!
On 11/9/08 at 1:09 AM,
JJHampden wrote:
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OK, So I have a $3,000 Korean vahze (vase), a $10,000 hand knotted Persian rug, a $40,000 car . . . etc, etc.
Why do I “Want” or “Need that?" Short answer is I don't "need" Any of it. But I am happy with it, it pleases me and makes me happy, you do remember
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." ? Are you going to dictate what makes me happy now?
Also, as per the Constitution of the State of Maine, ". . . The Right of the People to bear arms shall Not be QUESTIONED."
If you judge and condemn a weapon on how it LOOKS in a picture, how can you be impartial and non-prejudicial with regard to other things And People?
What are you saying, If it has wood and brown it's OK, but if it's fiberglass and black it's Bad ? ? WTF !
Personally I think Black is Bee-u-ty-ful ! Whut, you gaht sumpin ahgin thet?
OK, So if it were made of all Stainless steel and Chrome that would make it all better?
And whether I place a nice tight shot group in a paper target, a tin can, game animal or criminal intruder, just be glad I can and do, I am.
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On 11/9/08 at 1:10 AM,
JJHampden wrote:
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P.S. Keep em in the X ring.
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On 11/9/08 at 4:21 AM,
MDIROB wrote:
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Quite a few folks use the AR family of rifles for long range target practice. Banning them won' t do a thing for crime, that's already been proven. As to owning them I say go for it. You're 35 times more likely in this country to be stabbed or beaten to death than shot. Let's make everyone carry a spork and wear boxing gloves just to be safe.
R
On 11/9/08 at 7:15 AM,
SteveyDee wrote:
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I already have 3 bushmaster Ar's, love them. Easly to modify also. I lucked out about 4 yrs ago when you could buy 1000 rds of 223 for $94.00 to your door step. Thats why I bought 10,000 rds. Now you cant get 223 ammo without giving up your arm or a leg.
On 11/9/08 at 7:18 AM,
SteveyDee wrote:
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AR-15 is very accurate. 223 will reach out and touch you.
On 11/9/08 at 8:23 AM,
Rogue_Wave wrote:
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Doesnt matter if you need it or not. I have baseball cards from when I was a kid....do I need them, no, but do Ilike them, yes. Owning guns is a right protected by the constitution. Why did you vote for this Socialist again?
On 11/9/08 at 8:52 AM,
Bangorian wrote:
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Boy this article really brought the gun loonies out. didn't it? All we're missing now is some scripture references and a few negative letters about people who receive Mainecare. I say buy those guns now, because if people with brains occupy the White House, assault weapons will be illegal. The only reason you'd need a gun, is beucase people are allowed to have guns.
On 11/9/08 at 9:04 AM,
jake04743 wrote:
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As opposed to the liberal freaks. I'll stick with the responsible gun owners. Much safer neighborhood.
On 11/9/08 at 9:09 AM,
jake04743 wrote:
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And Bangorian, the only reason you eat tasty food is because it's available. Cause if all you had available to eat was rice.......... so if we choose to own guns that is our right. I also choose to use soft toilet paper instead of newspaper. I guess life is just full of choices that we take for granted. Car over bike, gun over rock.
On 11/9/08 at 9:09 AM,
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"The only reason you'd need a gun, is because people are allowed to have guns"
False. My wife probably isn't tough enough to physically overpower a common thug.
However, I would pity the one that did, he would enter our residence in one piece, but she would ensure he leaves with several extremely large holes in his torso.
If you want to leave yourself to the mercy of the responsiveness of local and state law enforcement, that's your choice. We choose differently.
On 11/9/08 at 9:11 AM,
cfournNH wrote:
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speaking of P.O.S democrates.... did you know that Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my AR-15 has? how about that one huh?
On 11/9/08 at 9:22 AM,
gw2kpro wrote:
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You know what? I saw a painting last week at the University of Maine that really offended me, I didn't like what the artist was trying to convey.
Why in the heck was he allowed to paint that abomination anyway?
If you really think about it, the only reason we need paintings, is because people are allowed to view paintings.
Hopefully we'll get someone in the white house that realizes that all this "free speech" is a bunch of hooey and in the end causes people to think for themselves and realize that the US government is given rights by the people, not the other way around.
Dangerous thinking like that can't be tolerated. Hopefully we get some people in power that realize that.
BAN ALL DANGEROUS ART NOW!!!!!!!!!
On 11/9/08 at 9:24 AM,
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Regardless of what party democrats say they all are for gun control and making it illegal to own firearms by civilians.They will of course deny this fact because they know that if they were honest with you they would never be elected to office.In the past 50 years all gun control laws, [aka people control laws ],have come from democratic administrations, not republican ones.
On 11/9/08 at 9:54 AM,
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It's really not even about guns as much as it's about individual rights vs. government control.
There are many people in this country who believe that the country was founded imperfectly and believe that all good things come from a benevolent government, not from free people exercising individual liberties. You can see some of them in this thread -- just place yourself at the mercy of the state rather than take action to protect yourself and your family.
This last election is a perfect example. Increasing taxes on some is "partiotic", people shouting that they are glad they don't have to worry about paying their mortgage anymore, people pining for state run health care.
Nowhere can you prove this more than with the gun control argument. Advocating MORE gun laws and further restrictions is completely illogical -- there are a thousand times as many gun control laws on the books today as there were 60 years ago. Would it then not follow, that if these laws were effective, we have seen massive drops in gun related violence over this time?
If the answer is no, (and it is) then the real issue in front of us is in determining why people feel the need so often to kill each other nowadays vs. 60 years ago. History proves that more gun control is only going to increase gun violence, so continuing to argue for more gun control detracts from the real issue at hand, and is simply one more tool for the big government advocates to continue to eat away at individual liberties.
On 11/9/08 at 10:39 AM,
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HEY Joshua! Your wrong pal. A "thug" as was mentioned in some if these articals, attemted to force entry into my wife's car while she was sitting in the Bangor Mall parking lot. She displayed her HANDGUN and the slime ran away. Thank god she had it with her or she may have become a victim due to scared little people's decision to ban hand guns.AND "thugs" who feel they will gain entry into our home will face five dogs first then 2 yes 2 hand guns.
I believe in the constitution I fought to protect and will defend it . People who are afraid of guns are mearly simple people who someday may become a victim of some low life. And just to mention good luck getting mine despite any new laws buddy!!!!!
On 11/9/08 at 12:10 PM,
David889327 wrote:
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E911 probably works quite well in the city for defending one's home, but is not always a reliable replacement for a firearm in a mostly rural state like Maine. Why? Because it can take law enforcement longer to respond to a call here than in the city, for obvious reasons, and that time difference can spell the difference between life and death. I personally sleep better knowing that at least some of my neighbors are armed, and that those folks inclined toward burglary are deterred knowing that.
On 11/9/08 at 12:31 PM,
safedman wrote:
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Joshua
well spoken from a ignorant of firearms anti. Go back to Knitting and leave the gun handling to the informed and capable.
On 11/9/08 at 12:51 PM,
David889327 wrote:
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To buttress my previous post, there were 6,676 burglaries in Maine in 2007, according to "FBI, Uniform Crime Reports" found on " Maine Crime Rates 1960 - 2007" on
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/mecrime.htm
By the way, I'm not suggesting that an assault rifle is necessarily the answer, but I do think that a potential burglar or other person with criminal intent will be caused to pause to consider whether or not his (or her) target is armed, regardless of the caliber or rounds per second capability of the weapon. My preference would be, for example, a double barrel 12 gauge shotgun.
On 11/9/08 at 1:04 PM,
thekingofmaine wrote:
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i have 15 guns....I need to buy 3-4 more to protect my family from the democratic socialist party FTW!!!
On 11/9/08 at 1:06 PM,
thekingofmaine wrote:
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i can tell you a reason why obama wants to ban guns...
you
On 11/9/08 at 2:35 PM,
David889327 wrote:
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Me, kingofmaine? Why do you say that? Lay it on me.
On 11/9/08 at 2:43 PM,
wesland wrote:
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As I remember the democrat's placed Clinton in office for a second term. Despite the fact that he is a role model for the children of our country. So I guess his efforts to ban guns and his " not having sex with another woman" hhhmmm guess oral is ok???? Oh and we must remember the mysterios untimely deaths of the Clintons business assotiates. What a good role model and message to send to the young people. Im noy death on democrats ,I vote for whoever makes the most sense and seems capable. BUT anyone who wants to take away from my constitutional rights is a NO VOTE from me.
And It seems Obama is afraid of guns why???? Maybe he doesnt watch enough police shows? Seems most of the crimanals being chased arresed etc are Black? Yep! Now thats a clear message .
On 11/9/08 at 2:49 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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THINK YOU'RE PREPARED. COPY, PASTE, AND TAKE THE QUIZ.................www.AttackSurvivalRating.com
On 11/9/08 at 4:29 PM,
JMill85 wrote:
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hey bangorian...not all people who support gun rights support the republican party, spew filth from the bible, or condemn the mainecare system (healthy citizens is always good). Although many do, gun rights are about more than just guns. You apparently feel better thinking that the system protects you. look at everything the government does, it is crappy inefficient. except of course for devastating foreign countries with our policies and wars.
On 11/9/08 at 5:38 PM,
averagejoe wrote:
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The Bill of Rights is exactly what it is, a list of provisions to protect the people from our government. Within that scope lies the promise to not infringe upon somebody's right to bear arms, no where does it state common sense gun control. All of us should be expecting the government to adhere to the bill of rights and hold all of those dearly. Not to sound alarmist, but I'd rather be on the side of all the gun owners rather than government. This article has brought out much anger, but please remember that once government starts pushing on freedoms then what will be next? Will the 8th amendment be out the door, or the 4th? I'd like to see strict adherence to those freedom and protections, and yes as a republican the patriot act does push on the 1st amendment.
I will be buying several more firearms and ammunition for this basis, the costs of these will go up... So to protect my freedoms, home, and family, I will support the second amendment and hope that government allows me to protect myself...
Thanks for the time and I apologize for any errors in spelling and grammar...
On 11/9/08 at 6:07 PM,
Saltoria wrote:
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If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
I'm stocking up on ammo while I can still get it. I need to protect myself from the government. Now that Obama is in, it might be tough to get him out!
On 11/9/08 at 6:51 PM,
rojogrande wrote:
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"For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration; our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the World will follow our lead into the future ! "
- Adolph Hitler, 1939
I read that the other day, could someone tell me what it means?
On 11/9/08 at 8:56 PM,
JJHampden wrote:
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911 = Dial a Prayer.
On 11/9/08 at 11:18 PM,
anna_of_mdi wrote:
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Obama was right when he called you people bitter and clinging to your guns. You republican trolls make me sick. I hope he does take all the guns away, but not till i buy one and shoot as many of you fat slobs as I can.
On 11/10/08 at 2:28 AM,
Democrat1 wrote:
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Two of my ancestors were fortunate enough to leave Deutchland before the full doctrine of the Third Reich was known to the world, but shortly after the gun ban was initiated. They were my only surviving ancestors, the others were never able to escape. They denied the intentions of the Reich. "Our government wouldn't do that to it's own people". I know what happens to the sheep when the wolf is in charge. Not this Jew, not this time.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
On 11/10/08 at 6:23 AM,
SteveyDee wrote:
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Calm down Anne.
On 11/10/08 at 6:24 AM,
MDIROB wrote:
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On 11/9/08 at 11:18 PM, anna_of_mdi wrote:
Obama was right when he called you people bitter and clinging to your guns. You republican trolls make me sick. I hope he does take all the guns away, but not till i buy one and shoot as many of you fat slobs as I can.
Bring it Fruitcup. Guarantee my aim is better.
R
On 11/10/08 at 6:42 AM,
BlueCollarBob wrote:
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Wow! That was an eye-opener. I didn't write that. In fact I don't even think it. I've been trying to convince people that Obama is NOT going to take away your guns. I guess johninphilippines is so desperate he's posting as anna_of_mdi now. I wondered how he managed to eff up the spelling, but now I realize it must be that when he tried to register my username was already taken.
On 11/10/08 at 6:44 AM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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Oops! I just posted logged in as my hubby.
On 11/10/08 at 10:47 AM,
anna_of_mdi wrote:
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Cut the crap! You cant just start posting as someone else. I do agree with Bluecollarbob alot, but I hate to break it to you hacks that I am not married to him.
On 11/10/08 at 11:38 AM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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Posting inflammatory comments under my username is really mature, John. My apologies, I didn't realize that you are a patient in a psych ward.
On 11/10/08 at 11:53 AM,
SteveyDee wrote:
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Is that really you? LOL!!!!!!!!! We don't know who is who anymore. I'm confused and it doesn't take much. Maybe John is actually on vacation or on travel? And someone is screwing with both you?
On 11/10/08 at 12:00 PM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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I don't think so! John has been screwing with all of us for some time. Please note he is posting as annA not anne.
On 11/10/08 at 1:15 PM,
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Give me a effn break, you all know I don't apoligze to anybody. Anyone can look back and see that it has always been anna_of_mdi forever.
On 11/10/08 at 4:02 PM,
kateindfcity wrote:
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Yes, I don't see why everyone is getting all scared about this. Who needs assault weapons anyways? I think that to assume that just because Obama is elected that all your gun rights will be taken away is absurd. The 2nd amendment is an always will be part of the Constitution, if Obama were to try to take that away there would be riots in the streets for sure. He wants to bar weapons like AK-47's which aren't really necessary to civilians, unless some of you are planning an attack or something. The guns used for hunting and for protecting your house would not be included in this (unless you are wicked overly prepared and have a machine gun under your mattress.) People need to calm down and realize this is not the biggest issue being faced. And have you ever thought of the fact that our economy sucks so bad, that this may shut down the gun shops before anything else does?
On 11/10/08 at 5:31 PM,
duckwa wrote:
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Wow anne, anna whatever. This is way too funny. Don't worry though people.... if I can just have both annas send me a picture of themselves in a nice wool sweater then I can tell you which is which.
On 11/10/08 at 5:32 PM,
duckwa wrote:
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Wait a minute you and blue bob are married... that explains a lot.
On 11/10/08 at 5:44 PM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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Believe me I'd look better in that sweater than John. Remember, I'm a dead ringer for Bay (Babe) Buchanan. S-s-s-team heat!
On 11/10/08 at 5:54 PM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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Yes, Bay Buchanan as in http://spd.fotologs.net/photo/61/56/28/muyvillanas/1173635152_f.jpg
On 11/10/08 at 6:10 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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I just bought a used semi auto 30-06 today for $300. My collection is now complete.
On 11/10/08 at 6:20 PM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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BTW, Democrats have better sex, much better-r-r-r-r-r. They don't need big GUNS to prove their masculinity.
On 11/10/08 at 6:27 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Is that what Democrats are selling know?? Good luck with that one. I tell you ann honey, I'm secure. Hung like a horse and I can shoot from one too.
On 11/10/08 at 6:28 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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now?
On 11/10/08 at 6:35 PM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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It's probably too late now, Jake, but I'm glad you're feeling better now.
On 11/10/08 at 6:37 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Actually my wife's feeling better. ;)
On 11/10/08 at 7:35 PM,
searoses wrote:
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I have found that men that brag about what they have...... don't have as much as they think....I'll take a man with a slow hand...and that is quiet about what he has...I've most alway been pleased with what i find...bragging is a big turn off !
On 11/10/08 at 8:08 PM,
jake04743 wrote:
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Wasn't trying to turn anyone on. Merely finding humor in a previous statement. Just my odd way of stating that my wife prefers a man with good values, financially supports the family, pleases her, and has the ability to proect her. And I happen to be republican.
On 11/12/08 at 7:00 PM,
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That is a key point. Who needs assualt weapons? How many here even know what that means? There are some of us that compete in compatitions with those scary assualt weapons. Some of us hunt and put food on our family tables annually with those scary assualt weapons.
Handuns are the same thing we shoot competitions and hunt with our them. It is a blind fear spawned from scary stories on TV and lack of knowlegde that makes most say BAN those evil weapons of destruction.
Do a little research and find out how crime has risen in the countries that have banned ownership of firearms, it is very interesting to say the least.
Is the second ammendmant any less valuable than the frist? No, it is through the second that all the others are possible.
If you have no expierence with firearms and are curious, find a local range and a competant instructor to give you a run through. Most will find them a very fun and competative past time. If you don't wnat anything to do with them that is your Given right. But do not force your fears on me and mine. My family shoots as a family and some of our best times are at the range. Do not fear what you don't know, it is much like the scary dark all you have to do is turn the light on and learn a=only thing to fear is fear itself.
To all the gun owners hating assualt weapons, we either all stand together or we hang seperatly.
On 11/13/08 at 6:11 AM,
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what_little_girls_do.wm
Great Video watch as a young lady and her dad take a moment with one of those scary assualt weapons. HOOORAAHH
On 11/14/08 at 2:07 AM,
Millinocket wrote:
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DUSTIN I HAVE A REAL ASSULT WEAPON A M-16 RIFLE WITH WHICH I DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO SAY MEAN THINGS. I HAVE JUST THREE MORE YEARS TO RETIRE FROM THE SERVICE (GOD BLESS THIS COUNTRY) STEP UP YOUNG MAN AND SERVE, GO OVER TO COUNTRIES THAT HAVE STRICT CONTROLL AND SEE FOR YOURSELF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN FREEDOMS CAN NOT BE PROTECTED BY THE FOLKS THAT NEED IT MOST. HISTORY IS FULL OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE COMMON PERSON GIVES UP HIS OR HER RIGHTS. AND AS FOR YOUR QUESTIONS THE AR-15,M-1A ( M-14) IS USED FOR LONG RANGE SHOOTING COMPETITIONS SUCH AS THE CAMP PERRY NATIONAL MATCH AND OTHERS ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY. THEY ALSO ARE GREAT FOR RANCHERS AND OUTDOORS MAN TO HELP GET RID OF UNWANTED VARMINTS (COYOTE, PRAIRIE DOGS, FERAL PIGS) AND YES DEER OR PUMPKINS AT THE GUN RANGE. THE MOST DEADLY WEAPON EVER GIVEN TO ANY PERSON IS NOT A GUN, IT IS A SET OF CAR KEYS, DON'T BELEAVE ME? WATCH TV EVERY DAY AND NIGHT CRIMINALS AND DRUNKS KILL IN THIS COUNTRY AND INJURE MORE. SHOULD WE TAKE YOUR KEYS BECAUSE A DUMB FLATLANDER GETS DRUNK GETS IN HIS CAR AND KILLS A FAMILY. NO? HE COMMINTED A CRIME, HE WENT TO A BAR NOT TO DRINK WATER, HE WENT THERE TO GET DRUNK THEN GET BEHIND THE WHEEL TO GO HOME, WHEN HE COULD HAVE CALLED A FRIEND,CAB, POLICE TO GET HOME SAFE AND SAVE A FEW LIVES. BUT HE DIDN'T. I TOOK AND OATH NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE SEN OBAMA WILL TAKE IN JANUARY. TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, NOT CHANGE IT. (TAKE ONE TAKE IT ALL.) THE FIRST 14 AMENDMENTS WERE MEANT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE FROM THE GOVERNMENT HAVING TOO MUCH CONTROL. WE HAVE LAWS, WE NEED TO HAVE THE LAW MAKERS ENFORCE THE ONES ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
IN CLOSING MAY GOD BLESS YOU, AND OUR COUNTRY AND HER SOLDIERS AND AIRMEN SERVING.
On 11/21/08 at 10:34 PM,
JJHampden wrote:
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WHUT THAH . . . CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS ! ! !
On 11/9/08 at 11:18 PM, anna_of_mdi wrote:
"Obama was right when he called you people bitter and clinging to your guns. You republican trolls make me sick. I hope he does take all the guns away, but not till i buy one and shoot as many of you fat slobs as I can."
.
This is One reason "They" want to take our guns and destroy the Constitution!
Because They have no self control, because They think laws do not apply to them, because They act out with emotion, and not Logic.
Because THIS is the way They would react, They ASSUME other people would do the same !
No Right Thinking Person Thinks This Way ! Only the Leftist MoonBats and Criminally Insane !
I Think they are barred by law from gun possession, and Rightly so as you can see !
.
On 11/22/08 at 8:57 AM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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JJHampden, I didn't write that. That was johninphilippines pretending to be me because he was angry with me. Note that it was written by ANNA of MDI and I am ANNE.
On 11/22/08 at 9:00 AM,
anne_of_mdi wrote:
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JJHampden, you might go back and read the comments starting 11/10/08 at 6:42 am.
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