Piscataquis uniquely Republican

Yeah, Milo's claim to fame is having the Ku Klux Clan parading up Main St. in the 1920's, Ain't that special? Ignorance and fear is what rules there. I wonder if the high rate of drugs and domestic violence is any indicator of how backwards the whole area is? It's like a bucket of crabs, if one is trying to crawl out, the others do everything they can to bring the courageous one back down to their level. Long live stupidity, Piscatquis is the county to live in.

I think I am offended with your comment Mainer50. But let me check with the people in Piscataquis County since apparently I am ruled by ignorance and fear and can't make up my own mind. I don't consider the place backwards and it is no more screwed up than the rest of the country - there are drugs and domestic violence everywhere. While I am sure there are a number of racist folk in P County, there are a number of racist folk all over this country (and can you believe it - even in big "civilized" cities) and since the KKK parading up Main St in Milo was almost a century ago, I think that maybe it is time to not bust out that fact to "prove" that a certain town/county is somehow backwards.

I was born and raised in Dover Foxcroft. In my crab-like state, I somehow managed to crawl out of the bucket for a few years when I attended college out of state. I did this purely to see another part of the country and not for lack of pride in where I come from. I now live in Bangor for no other reason as I cannot afford to drive back and forth on a daily basis.

Piscataquis county is a great place to live. Maybe you live in P county, and if you hate it so much then maybe you should find the "courage" to pack up your stuff and move. If you don't live in P county then maybe you should get off your high horse and you'll realize that where you live has its fair share of problems too.

Ok so we have a high rate of drugs and domestic abuse, if we started putting these people in jail, and I mean a real jail pounding rocks and eating swill, instead of the nice cozy country clubs with good food and heat, we would see alot less of this, but with the bleeding hearts in control, disipline and punishment go right out the window. So who's to blame for this mess, the party that has been in control for over 50 years, the DEMOCRATS. Well as a scared, ignorant conservative, I'll keep hiding my children, guns, and money until people wake up.

Piscataquis County itself is the biggest argument in favor of the new liberalism and why it's needed.

Sorry if your offended, I know from what I speak, I was born and brought up there. I did get out. When going to school there, it was only the people that had conservative, religious and names spelled correctly that got tracked for college. When I did get the courage to go to college, I was told that I wasn't welcomed and would I treat everyone differently now I'm educated....I to live in Bangor, by choice, it's refreshing to be accepted for who I am and not what my "roots" were. The pictures of the Ku Klux Clan was hanging in the Public Library, don't know if they're still there but when growing up and having to stare at the pictures and suppose to feel proud of the hate that was symbolized in those pictures were enough to make anyone sick. By the way, there were alot of people praising war time Germany in WW II, yeah it may be ancient history but the hate runs deep and never goes away. At least you had the choice to leave, if I remember rightly, Dover was a little more progressive then Milo. You helped Milo play basketball when Milo didn't want to build a regualation gym. Thanks for that.

As far as the high rates of drugs and domestic violence, Piscataquis has the highest rate of both of all the counties. There isn't any valuing of life of those that have less power, ie children, women. The cycle of violence keeps perpetuating and I believe it's because of the isolation that people feel and be seen as being different. How about opening that closet and shining a big Spot light and see how many rats come flying out? Just need a big old flood to wash everything away.

Im not much concerned with the new "liberalism" movement. Conservatives tend to have guns and liberals don't. Keep on pushing your liberal crap on me and my fellow conservatives and we may have to take a step back... like 140 years.

Mainer50, I agree with you when you stated "it was only the people that had conservative, religious and names spelled correctly that got tracked for college". That statement is so true. Living in small communties everyone knows your business. You are judge by your last name. Even if you haven't done a damn thing to contribute to having a bad last name. I grew up with people judging me just because of my last name. Some of my relatives made bad choices and the rest of us got the same reputation just because of them. So I do see your point Mainer50. I use to live in Milo also, I don't take pride in the fact that the KKK marched threw those streets.

repmma, what is your reference to 1868?

yeah i meant 146...or 1862.... or a civil war

It isn't back to 1868, it is here and now. That is the sad story of Milo. That is what conservatism is all about. What is in the past is in the present and will always be that way. That is why people who "don't belong" either are murdered or committed "suicide". There are alot of skeletons in those skeletons in those closets. What a sad state of affairs of the young people that don't even realize that there is a world outside the town. The majority thinks that the rest of the state is in a different state. What is even worse, the court house in Dover is considered totally foreign brand of law compared to the rest of the counties. So, I can say a little balance in the scales will help alot if the goal is to have equal rights for all.

That's a relief! I thought you were referring to the 14th Amendment. But I guess you only meant a civil war between liberals and conservatives.

What a joke this website has become. I actually had a comment to make, that didn't attack anyone personally, but you know what? After reading the other comments posted here, forget it. The Bangor Daily would do us all a service by removing this feature from the website. This is not promoting a healthy discourse on the issues. It's just a forum for mean spiritedness and lack of manners.

I'm not going to get into the previous comments one way or another but would like to say that I know a lot of Republicans in Piscataquis County are voting that way because their families have always been Republican or their neighbors are or maybe their spouses are, rather than because of political stands a candidate makes. If you ask them how a candidate stands on specific issues, they don't know and don't seem to want to know because they know how they're voting. An example is the storekeeper in the article today. He said he didn't know much about Obama. After over 20 debates, all the articles in Time, Newsweek, and other similar reputable magazines, after all the information given on CNN or MSNBC during the last two years, after two books written by Obama that show exactly what kind of man he is and how he thinks, after all the reliable internet information (not the "forwards" that tried to paint Obama as some kind of bad choice by spreading falsehoods), and after all the newspaper articles, if anyone didn't know enough about Obama, whose fault was that? Such a person must have little interest in the election to not follow those things enough to thoroughly know all the candidates. The same is true with local politicians who serve their terms in Augusta. Do they know which ones opposed the raising of the Maine minimum wage to the paltry sum of $7.25? I bet the average citizen doesn't know. There was a reference to the low number of bachelor degrees in Piscataquis County. A person doesn't need a college degree to be informed in this day and age. It takes some effort and some interest to vote intelligently, not a college degree. I have two college degrees but neither of them helped me decide which candidates earned my vote. Democracy depends on an informed electorate and I'm afraid we don't always have that. It too is often a popularity vote such as voting for Kennedy because he was visually more attractive than Nixon in the debates, or voting for Palin because she was like the average woman but had learned to wink and kill a moose when she wasn't at a soccer game. Those are distractions that take us from studying the issues and how the candidates stand on matters that will make a real difference in our personal lives. We should put aside all of that and get to the heart of the matter, who would be best for the job.

repmma you gun toting fools would lose a civil war because of your uneducated stats in rural areas. take a look at them. plus you are also the same fools sending your kids over seas to get killed in political wars, not to mention conservatives also tend to be the old coots. so you are a dying breed. you betcha!

1868 is probably some obtuse reference to the KKK "principles" being documented during that year, although heshe did not specifically mention 1868. More indicative is hishers proclivity to "step back", in keeping with the sentiment expressed. Liberals = no guns? Falsehood and belly laugh of the day! (It's still early, though, I'm sure heshe can top that one)

"But I guess you only meant a civil war between liberals and conservatives."

No, I'm talking about the fear of letting people get educated and to be seen as a person and not what family history is all about. Traditions have different meaning in the area. That is the scary part of all. No one is free to think for themselves, the trap is all ready set if a person is born or moved there. The analogy of Venus Fly trap comes to mind. You don't know what is in store until it's to late. Milo is NOT a friendly town. They eat their own if they can't change them. So, even though they tout it, they don't live it. Be afraid, be very afraid. Whether your conservative or liberal, it all depends on which side of the tracks or how much money you make, On a thought, maybe Milo would be a good back drop for a Stephen King book...

Republicans stand for BIG government with big brother watching what everybody does. They aren't fiscally responsible either because they have looted our treasury and spent us into record defecit. I don't think there is that much cable tv in piscataquis county.

I'm a hateful democart :0)...My husband and I moved to this area from Hancock County 8 years ago and have been all but shunned..We have tried to join in the town we live in...I can honestly say I haven't made one friend....we work for the Piscataqis County Dems. and one Sunday afternoon, where putting out signs in Milo...I can honestly say I was afraid after getting told to get out of town or be killed...we didn't get out of town and continued to put the signs up..I've never been made to feel welcome up here... any want a house in this area I've got one for sale...I want to go home to Hancock County

Mainer50, sorry for the confusion, but my comment, "But I guess you only meant a civil war between liberals and conservatives," was intended for repmma.

Mainer50, I gotta say that at times I find you very offensive. If not totally incorrect on what you say. Do you realize that things like crime stats can be easily checked as opposed to brash statements about a whole county that aren't even true. Piscataquis county is on the low end of every crime catagory. Not that it is even reasionable to take the fact that somewhere between 1/2 or 2/3's of a county vote a particular way and blame that for all the problems. If that was the case then by extention you would have to say that Maine which is pretty left and blue voting and that is the reason Maine is near the bottom in a majority of ranking. I just love how you talk about being for "social justice means that everyone should be treated with respect and dignity, regardless of race, cultural background or sexual orientation. " That is your quote man as is this "judging them and condemning them over something that is none of their business" Then you can judge an entire county, one where half to 30 some percent voted the same as you. I think everything you say is more hollow then a chocolate Easter Bunny.

I live in Dover-Foxcroft and I can safely say that something NEW needs to be done to counties like Piscataquis. It's true, finding a job in this area is hard and people make so much more less than in other parts of the state. And those that make more work in the mills and factories and feel that they can't leave their hard labor job because there is nothing else around here that will pay them the dollar per hour that they get now. I think this county needs to wake up and see that ,no, we aren't "alot smarter than the rest" as Paul Davis was quick to point out in his glee of being a State Rep. for the poorest county in Maine. I left for college when I graduated and was astounded at such the diversity experienced outside this shell of a town. It may be a nice place to raise your kids, because it seems to be so peaceful. But where exactly are those kids going to go when they grow up and find out they can't afford to work and have a family of their own in the place they grew up in. Walking or driving down the street here one can see a multitude of houses for sale, and noone coming in to buy them. The place just does not afford you the choice of being well off and paying your house bills, unless you happen to be a doctor or something that pays VERY well. Which as we know, does not make up a large portion of the people living here. There needs to be a wake up call to all these voters who thought the last 8 years was a good thing, cause we all know you are kidding yourselves. Having Obama elected seriously relieved me. Not to mention the falling gas prices that probably are putting a smile on everyone's face. People who voted for McCain and didn't read up on Obama just because he is a Democrat, need to probably thank their britches that McCain was not voted in. And please, if you could, point out to me how "The people here have been well served by Republicans"? I haven't seen anyone "well-served" in quite some time.

Kate, would it help if there was an "economy" in the county?

Well, after working with domestic violence on the government level and on the county level, I have been very much aware of how the numbers add up to the percentages of domestic violence is higher in the Piscataquis county, never mind substance abuse and child abuse. Your right, stats can be manipulated but on the same token, victims don't lie when they say that they were at fault because the supper was late on the table and deserved to be beaten because of it. Or the fact that the teenager committed suicide because he couldn't live up to the expectations of his family had for him or the fact that he might have been closet gay. Either one is the stroke of death of anyone living in the area. I'm not hollow as the Easter Bunny, I'm pragmatic and live in reality. Conservatism is all right in healthy doses as with anything else, but in this particular area, any breath of any difference, strikes the threat button and the flight and fight response. I understand by the other poster that putting up democratic signs is dangerous. I have been told not to have bumper stickers on my car for any party affiliation or religion because I would be targeted for persecution and harrassment. Is that being a "free" country? Or just being dominated by the dominate group? I am not being a hypocrite, now that I know the difference, I do treat people with respect and open mindedness even those that have close minds. Can't say that about the folks that live and breed in Milo...and those that are afraid to leave, there is life after Milo, trust me there are more of us that can wear the T-shirt, "We survived MILO." and what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. I thank Milo for making me stronger and I don't need anymore basic training in the hate department, thank-you very much.

searoses and Mainer50, Absolutely everything you say is the truth! I know all about this town. I too lived there and there is not enough money in this world to ever get me to go back! There are no 'friends' there. If no one is being trashed ,someone will be before the day is over. The people there thrive on this stuff. They have nothing to do but cause trouble and they Love it!I was actually born and went to school there. I got out years ago, went back for a while and have been gone again for a long time! There is absolutely no reason for anyone to ever go to Milo. There is nothing there but a lot of malicious people. My kids used to say that going to Milo was like going to the end of the world! Tell you one thing, you have no friends there, you only think you do. Don't turn your back! And King really should look into this place.

freedomfighter Reps stand for BIG GOVT isn't it Pelosi and her gang that are bailing EVERYONE in BIG BUSINESS OUT? The Dems are putting their hands in BIG BUSINESS MAKING THE GOVT A PART OF BUSINESS... JUST TO SAVE THE POORLY OLD UNION WORKERS AT THE UAW'S JOBS WHERE THEY MAKE A MEASLEY 90 SOME DOLLARS AN HOUR ON AVERAGE. Give me a break!

Dear upeaster - You're getting on the case of the store owner stating, "After over 20 debates, all the articles in Time, Newsweek, and other similar reputable magazines, after all the information given on CNN or MSNBC during the last two years, after two books written by Obama that show exactly what kind of man he is and how he thinks, after all the reliable internet information", but the fact is that nothing is really known about what Obama is going to do and where he stands. Just about every time he was asked a direct question he sidestepped the answer. We do know that he approves of allowing babies to die. We do know he affiliates with homegrown terrorists and international ones and has many other shady associations. We do know that he does not support the rights of Israel as a nation. We do know he wants to grow government and take over as many areas of society as he can (i.e. healthcare, electricity, etc.). We do know he wants coal companies to go bankrupt. We do know he wants to take away our right to keep and bear arms. We do know he wants the government to take what we have, if he thinks we have too much, and give it to others. We do not know how he plans to implement all the programs he speaks of and still decrease taxes like he mentions. We do not know if he really is a naturalized citizen. I'm sure I could go on for a while more, but you should get the picture.

With most of these comments it is clearer to me why democrats such as Baldacci keep getting voted in, why taxes keep going up, and why businesses keep leaving Maine. And why Maine, along with the rest of the nation, is ripe for socialism. No pride in working hard for what you have. No pride for Country. Inflated, unfounded sense that you deserve something. No common sense. No fear of God. No hope in the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Mainer50 You said "after working with domestic violence on the government level and on the county level, I have been very much aware of how the numbers add up to the percentages of domestic violence is higher in the Piscataquis county, never mind substance abuse and child abuse." assuming that is true and that you would have no reason to lie about it, could you please show me some statistics to back up your claims about Piscataquis county. I have check dozens of sites from state to federal and can't find anything that comes close to backing up your claims. From what I see Kennabec seems to hold the title. Any help you could give me in finding the correct figures would be great. Thanks.

I'm not proud of the fact that Piscataquis county voted republican! ONE BIT!!!!!!

Chris M made several erroneous comments that I won't even take the time to correct. Chris, you really should go to the sources I mentioned for your information. Apparently you get your information from Rush LImbaugh or the like rather than objective journalism. None of the allegations you listed are true. Fortunately for America, most people saw through all that and made the right choice on election day. All I can say is for you to read up on reliable sources and find out the truth as the rest of America did. I didn't intend by my comments to get into a debate on politics, only to say that voters need to read up on the candidates and the issues and get the truth before they vote, and many don't. I forgot about the people who get the information from biased news media rather than mainstream media. Thank you for reminding me. Keep the faith. Things will change for the better.

Well I live in Piscataquis County, in Guilford actually, and I'm just about the only Republican in my family. I have been since my days at Guilford Middle School when I found that I liked the things that Republicans were associated with. Small government, low taxes, and a strong military. It seems to me that they also believe that people not government should be the ones to solve problems in society.That's how this country got to be the most powerful on the face of the earth, the people. Democrats want government to take care of all the ills of the people. And it's getting to the point where Dems want socialism. They want to nationalize business just like Hugo Chavez. Pelosi has talked about it with the auto makers. Maxine Waters has spoke of it when it comes to the oil companies. This is America. None of that should happen here.

I believe that people in Piscataquis County feel the same way. They think that we should help ourselves not have government bail us out everytime we make a bad descison. All of these other issues like domestic violence and drugs and the KKK in 1920 have nothing to do with the political beliefs of people that live here.

upeaster I hope that you don't think that CNN and MSNBC are bastions of objective journalism. They are clearly two of the most liberal members of the new media that exist. They don't call CNN the Clinton News Network for nothing. But I forget that only liberals would think that those two outlets are unbiased.

Depends on who you watch. Keith O. and Rachel Maddow are liberal, but Morning Joe and Glenn Beck are conservative so you do get both sides. Also, I don't agree with everything any candidate espouses. You have to decide who is most in line with your views. The only way to elect someone who thinks just like me is to run for office myself. :-)

Just for the record folks, because I have read this implication in 2 or more posts here, the fact that you voted one way or the other doesn't mean that you don't read , watch , and learn about canidates before voting. Some here seem to be implying that if someone voted different then they did then they can't be that smart or they just vote how their friends and neighbors tell them. That isn't true, it just means they don't look at things the same as you do and are in favor of different solutions. How arrogant to assume that. Most people who take the time to vote also take the time to decide why they are voting that way.

Mainer50, when ever you get a chance, I would still like some help with your stats. I still keep finding bad information on the internet that says your claims about this fine county are wrong. Please advise where I can find the good infromation to back up what you said. Thanks

upeaster, your gonna need to tune in fox for your daily dose on Beck. I think he moved.

Looks like the typical liberal posts here. If Piscataquis county voted republican, well they must be a bunch of inbread banjo playing hicks, desperately clinging to their guns and religion. Mainer50, I'd like to see the documentaion that duckwa requested as well. I'd hate to think you just presented information as fact without any support thinking no one would question it. Just because the BDN editors think they can get away with it, does not mean you can too.

Inbreeders! Have we found them?

$1.69/ga. gas at the pump somewhere in U.S. - oil barrels in free-fall - the Obama effect!

Okay, I think it's ridiculous to say that only republicans support the right to bear arms. My family is a "hunting family" and I even shoot once in awhile. That is how people live through the winter here, on deer meat most times. I don't think Obama is going to get anywhere with his view on gun policy.This is the second amendment people! Do you really think anyone in Congress would be in their right mind to slam such a thing, even if they are Democrats? There would be riots in the streets and definitly an upheavel. So it's safe to say that this right is pretty much going to stay intact, no matter what. How about the Patriot Act? Did anyone not see how much that violated our rights as U.S. Citizens? I voted for Obama, but it's like they said, this county is primarily made up of older people, who vote Republican because that's what they know, and they think anything else would hurt them. As a young person here, it's hard to change such views of those, and so yes, the county went to McCain, but don't think that we're a bunch of hicks! Just like any state can have it's rural inset of people's, Maine has those that choose not to be part of large cities and their upbeat tempo. And David889327, I agree yes, Obama is going to do great for our economy, but to call us inbreeders? That's a wee bit brash.

Did any of you ever stop to consider that maybe we here in Piscataquis county were the only ones SMART enough to realize that Bush was not alone after all both the house and the Senate are controlled by the DEMOCRATS They are as guilty as anyone for the mess we're in. Don't get me wrong I in no way an a Bush supporter but the facts are the facts. Maine 50 I also grew up in Milo as did my children we did not have the "right last name" but we have done very well for ourselves, if you want something bad enough you get it /earn it on your own you don't need anyone's permission to better yourself, for gosh sakes take the bull by the horns and get what you want and stop whining about the past. searoses, I'm sorry but I think you embellished the truth just a tad, I seriously doubt that you had a death threat. For better or worse Obama is our new President and we need to support him.

Oh man. Tell me that you really don't think that the falling price of gas is because Obama was elected. Then I guess that means the dow dropping lilke a rock is as well. Lets see now, you all thought that the terrorist would love him, and all would be well in the world. Well, if you did not hear, Al-queda's number two called him a house negro this week, that's real embracing. Funny thing is, it seems like that's got the Liberals more upset than the attacks on 9/11. Why, those terrorists are racists, there really in for it now. Someone call Jessie jackson, have him rally the troops.

, birdie: a car stop and yell 'you keep putting up those signs and i'll be back to kill you you f88king nig0er lover"....and Milo was the only town that it happened in get your head our of the sand and take a look around you this places is the most hateful place I've lived in my life

, boogyman the oil prices are falling because the banks can't afford to hedge their bets on oil right now...their haveing to sells for to meet the margins before the end of the year.....and they are selling low because they need the money

boogyman ACTUALLY i heard the right wing morons keep saying that the terrorists will love Obama,...i ALWAYS heard it from the right,...so don't try to turn it around now that the terrorists are using hateful language! it was ALWAYS the right smear campaigns that were saying "Hussein" and "he's a terrorist muslim!" over and over again llike abunch of twelve year olds,...so don't try to back pedal now. it makes you look stupid.

I agree with birdie about earning a better life on your own, no matter what the last name is. If your town puts you down, pull yourself up on your own. Enjoy showing them how you made a success of your life! Go for it! Don't use other peoples' opinions as an excuse. But I do want to point out one thing about politics and that is how the Democrats didn't get much done due to at least 9 vetoes that couldn't be overcome and 94 filibusters. They didn't have 60 votes to end those, which is why they're watching all the recounts now, hoping to make it to 60 Senate seats this time around. Duckwa, I know many people who vote Republican vote after learning the facts because they learn that party matches their own beliefs. It's a democracy after all and there's nothing wrong with that, but whether people vote Republican or Democrat, they should do so because they have the facts on the issues and I don't think everyone does. That was my point. I've heard a lot of people give reasons for a vote one way or another and the reasons had nothing to do with the issues or the facts, such as how their family had voted for years. My family was always Republican but I don't base my vote on that. If I vote Republican, it's for other reasons. And I never vote according to TV attack ads. Learn all you can about the candidates. That's how a democracy is supposed to work. Lastly, If anyone in Milo got a death threat, which seems unlikely to me too, that person should have called the police quickly. All threats in this day and age need to be addressed promptly.

check with University Extension serivces and women's studies on Orono Campus, check with Spruce Run and check their statistics. Rape response, they would have them, if they can give them out. Umbrella statistics will not give no.s on the micro side. You have to check with organizations that deal directly with victims. By the way, why are so intense on this no.? Is there an implication that you might have some friends that live in the violent infested area? or trying to protect perpetrators and women haters? Also, men can be become victims of domestic violence as well, my father was one of them but because the cultural mores were that men can't be abused, he never could speak up and turned to alcohol to help him cope, what a friendly town? So nurturing and caring for everyone and Conservative perspectives taken to extreme does contribute to the likes of KU KLUX Clan and the atrocities that happened in Germany. So, yes, it does matter. The whole area needs to be balanced but only if they so choose to see that something is wrong. Denial is more then just a river in Egypt!!

Diana22, on behalf of all us right wing morons, i must address your comment. The terrorist WILL love Obama, he is weak on national defense, and he and his cronies are not big fans of the US millitary. We never meant that they will embrace Obama, we believe that terrorists will take advantage of his weak foreign policy to further expand their radical Ideals. Your total misinterpretation of that makes me believe that you ain't the sharpest pencil in the box either toots.

Just called Spruce run of Bangor 207-945-5102, they said they keep no such stats. But I'll keep looking , knowing that you wouldn't just make up things to support a bogus argument.

Mainer50, If you think conservatism taken to extreme contributes to the likes of the KKK, you obviously do not understand conservatism at all. And to equate conservatism to Nazi Germany, that is just so over the top I would not waste a breath talking about it. One could just as easily argue that the causes were a result of extreme liberalism.

boogyman,..please go in the "way back machine" and try to put on your thinking cap,....the republican morons were insinuating that HE WAS ALSO A TERRORIST. That Obama was in bed with terrorists.,..and mentioning over and over his middle name like a bunch of buffoons,...."HUSSEIN HUSSEIN",....your party must be embarrasing "to pal around with". YOU BETCHA!

Mainer50, you ask why so intense? Because I get tired of people making of the wall statements that can't be supported by facts. Numerous State and federal agencies keep stats on crime and Piscataquis is on the low end. It was just laughable in the first place that you would try to blame crime in one county on the way the non-criminals in that county vote. There is no decernable connection and yet you tried to back it up with false statements about crime statistics in that county. Thats why.

Dianna22, exactly which republican morons were those. Don't go pulling a Mainer50. Give me names and dates. I only deal in facts. It is quite obvious that you're getting a little emotional.

Actually, I think it was the democratic Clinton supporters during the primaries that kept using the Hussein card. I know when Clinton was asked about Obama's faith, she plaed the old 'well I don't know i don't THINK he's Muslim, I don't really know". She knew he was not, but she also knew it would help her if it was. So I guess she was just trying to appeal to the liberal bigots amonst us.

Diana, please!! Nobody from the GOP said that Obama was a terrorist. The point is that Ayers was a terrorist and is still very much an extremist. The fact that Obama allowed him self to associate with him speaks to his judgement.

Oh BTW, there was an intellegence report that Al-queda is weakening, and not able to find enough new recruits. Not to many people interest in joining the losing team. Say want you want about GW, I think history will show that he made huge progress in the war on terror. Let's just hope Obama will concede that and keep the pressure on them. Looks like he might actually be keeping Bush's secretary of defense on for a while after january 20th, tells me that they think he's doing a good job. Interesting.

Hey, that's what they call "plausible deniability" folks! Wha-wha-wha?, who, me? I never implied Obama was a terrorist! I never tried to make that "guilt by association" connection to Bill Ayers! I never repeated Obama's middle name over and over again, trying to make it resonate so you would think he was linked to Saddam or al Quaeda or bin Laden! Well then I am proud of you all for recanting and for seeing the error of your ways. Peace, shalom, salaam.

No, boogyman, extreme conservatism is facism, nazism, the extreme of liberalism is anarchy. I don't know where you got your political history lesson. Socialism falls towards the left of middle of the spectrum. When Nazi's took control of Germany, the expounded the philosophy of patriotism would get the country out of the hole that they were in, so therefore using the scapegoat of crucifying jews as a rallying cry for the people to feel good about being patriotic, just like what happened here when Pearl Harbor was bombed, the only difference is we didn't have a dictatorship, we had a democracy that rallied around the common goal. The KKK has the same idea, one man in control and rallying others for one common cause, getting rid of those people that are ordained as different from the norm. How terrifying is that? To be judged as different because you have different colored skiin? That is the conservative side of Republican ideology. Extreme but the hands off of government. Anarchy no government chaos. Liberterian and ultra conservative is very close in ideology. Anarchy was the mainstay of Marxism, Russia. To make order out of chaos was his mainstay. So, you see, one needs balance if one wants a democracy and acceptance of all at one table. That is an idea that people in Piscataquis county don't like. They're one the whitest counties around. No wonder wouldn't win there.! Duckwa, why are you afraid that I'm making a bogus argument? Of course they're not going to talk to you. You could be perceived as the enemy. If you want to volunteer to help victims of domestic violence, then you will be privy to the information...how about doing something constructive and volunteer to help those less fortunate then yourself. Maybe then you will experience first hand what victims of domestic violence are faced with, personally, culturally and socially.

Diana22 I'd be more embarrassed to hang around a liberal who can't make a point without calling someone a moron. But that seems to be what most liberals who comment here do. You don't have any good ideas so you call people that disagree with what you say morons.

I lived in THE AWESOME TOWN OF BROWNVILLE JUNCTION back 30 years ago and I can say that Milo and B.J. are the most wonderful little towns in America! The KKK many years before that was just a Catholic vs. Protestant thing long since fixed. Now if they have "lemming democrats" up there , then the fish and game dept. needs to declare when, exactly , open season actually is on these rogue "lemming democrats" , I would guess it's from 7:00 am monday morning Janruary first until dusk Janruary first the next year. In other words, permanent open season. Cabbages grow real big over composted lemming democrats and the science is linked to them being so full of shi t.

That wasn't very well written was it? I may ask for a second chance.

, duckwa go to Maine.gov and you'll find what you are looking for Milo has the highest crime rate in Piscataquis County

searoses ,keep the hate going sister

Piscataquis County: I'm afraid it's clear that you are already in the crosshairs of the Obama re-education/de-population project!

Well mainer50, to me and most of my moron conservative freinds, conservatism means very limited government powers, a belief that people are in control of their own destiny and that individuals should only be limited the persuit of personal wealth by the limitations they put on themselves. Liberalism is pretty much just the opposite. I'm no intellectual, so I don't get into all that heavy stuff you dove into. I like to keep things simple. It's actually been a pretty good strategy for me, you know, focus on the big picture, don't get bogged down in the details.

Fascism = nazism = socialism. Conservatism, in America, is a totally dissimilar concept. A belief in democracy is one aspect of their difference. Our Bill of Rights contains other important differences.

yeah duckwa, I think Mainer50 may have a point there on Spruce run. No offense, I think for the most part, they provide a very good service, but let's just say they aren't big fans of men in general over there. I'll leave it at that.

, bthanson the truth is the truth if you don't like what you see do something about it.....you all seem to think this has something to do with hate....most of us so called liberals are lovers remember? 1 case of domestic violence is one to many...and boogyman I think you're right too much goverments not a good thing but neither is to little...the reason we need laws is because we can't be trusted to do the right thing...you give an inch someone will take a mile

Hey leumas, I'm happy for you that you could live in Brownville Junction for so long. When I lived there, I was shunned because I came from Milo. Neither should the twain meet sort of speak, I'm happy for you. Are still living there? By the way, never call it just Brownville, they frown on that don't they? Yeah, you can keep things silmple but then again, that is the problem with the area, they keep the hate too simple and others get persecuted for it. The ultra backlash from so much fear is unbelievable. Education is lost, it's like filling a hole with water and hoping it will turn into a well. Same idea with people.

Yes, Milo has a BIG reputation around these parts as being filled with druggies, welfare abusers, and violence hungry teenagers. And I know that alot of this crime comes from having no economy, nothing for young people to do, and people who decide to go on unemployment and have too much time on their hands and money handed to them by the state. But I'm not seeing how this is at all connected to this argument about the election. I have friends who went to school in Milo and pretty much grew up there and have their heads on straight. I believe the argument about Milo having a large crime rate in Piscataquis county, but I think that's based on their populace.(Because of their small pupulation, the ratio of crime seems to be staggering. If it were a big city, then it wouldn't seem so much) There is plenty of hate there, but there's also just regular folks struggling to have their families live there in such disparity. In fact one of my friends' grandfathers was part of the KKK, but she is not racist, voted for Obama, and believes in equality for all. So how does that do with your hate-breeding theory? Even her father is a bit racist and she defends her beliefs just as much as he does. Anyways, peace to you guys.

Searoses, I didn't know you live in this area. Stop by and see me at Foxbrook Variety, I would love to meet you. I am also sorry that happened to you. That is just wrong for some one to say that to you. You should of reported it.

Searoses, thank you for your point on Milo, Honestly never been there. I assume that like anywhere it is filled with good and bad people. My point though was not on the rate with in that county. My point is that opposite of what Mainer50 said in support of a bogus argument. Piscataquis county does not have the highest rate on any kind on crime in this state. It was a false statement, and Mainer50 can't provide one shred of proof to back up his false statement. As a matter of fact Maine.gov is a site I checked and they give stats they say the complete opposite of wwhat Mainer50 claims. I don't care what his opinin on that county is, just don't try to back it up with statements that are clearly false.

Also to you mainer50, before you make fun of other and their understanding of history with statements like-". How terrifying is that? To be judged as different because you have different colored skiin? That is the conservative side of Republican ideology." READ A HISTORY BOOK. Tell me which party freed the slaves? Tell me what party fought to the death to protect segragation. Wallace wasn't a GOP hero, he was a well respected Democrat. Wake u and realize that there are good and bad people on each side of the aisle. Happy Easter!!

kateindfcity-----Your right, all this talk of Milo has absolutely nothing to do with an election! But it has given some of us a chance to vent! It's because it is so small that we all know of such crimes. It surely is more then half of the inhabitants that live there. Most of the older people work but you can't find many younger ones that will even try. And that is not just in Milo. Anyway, I will always stand by what I posted earlier. I Lived there.

Kateindfcity - How do the young people in Milo get away without working? Can they just collect, no strings attached?

kateindfcity----- I have to add just one more thing. We all pretty much know that everyone in Milo knows who is responsible for trying to burn the place down! And still no arrest??And I have to say, you just can't "decide" to go on unemployment. You have to be working and get laid off or the job ends. I didn't realize that most of them worked anywhere to begin with!

duckwa: in the 1st place the Republican of that time where the Liberal party...The southern democarts...where slave owners...there was big difference between Northern and Southern Deomcrats...in the 50's and 60's when the Northern Democrats came South to help the blacks get rights..the blacks joined the Democratic party and the southern Dems. became Republican because they didn't to be in the same party as blacks....Lincoln would roll in his grave to see what the party he founded has been come

By a lot of the comments I'd say dozens of hate-filled people have moved away from Milo. Does anyone think that maybe there " just seems " to be more crime there because the police are pretty good at catching them. More arrests mean more statistics on the records.

eastmainer----I sure am not hate-filled, just so damn happy not to be living there anymore! I know the police officers in the town of Milo.And no, it dosen't "just seem" to be a case of anything except what it is. I think you should go and live there for about 6 months and lets see what your comment is at the end of that time. I have actual friends that don't stab you in the back and put you down since I very happily got the hell out of there!

Searoses, My point was not to say that you being a democrat are racist or anything. I am just correcting history. Mainer50 statement was factually wrong, as is most of what he says. You are intitled to your opinion about lincoln, but I don't see where you come to that conclusion. You all hate Bush for his tough talk and his use of force to protect the country. Lincoln order force against our own, the war was far more bloody and brutal. Bush is bad for listening to terrorist phone calls...Lincoln had telegraphs tapped on a regular basis, arrested members of the press, had detaines shot, many times with out a trial. Different times but he did what was necessary for our protection. Sound familier. Look you know what, I just get tired of the 'you disagree with me ?? you must be evil'We see the world in different ways, and we worry that the others point of view won't work, but that doesn't mean we need to attack the others intentions. I want the best for this country and assume you do too. Can you really name what stands the GOP has taken in the past 150 years that would get Lincoln spinning. As far as that goes, if your 100 % honest, do you really think that there is a President before say Truman that you could bring back and tell about the democrats stand on abortion and not have them spinning like a top. I know these are differnt times but their straight up reaction would be very telling.

So searoses would you be a Jeffersonian Republican, a Federalist, Jacksonian Democrat, or Whig since you are pulling out the complex evolution of our political party system.. lol... this post has gotten muddy... But I have enjoyed reading the kind words...

duckwa : In the frist place it is a point of history that Lincoln was more Liberal then the republicans of to day....and it's also a fact of history the Black hateing southerns changed parties when the Kennedy like Democrats went south to help the blacks What in gods name is hateful about telling the facts...The parties have changed over the years...that's is all I was trying to point out...and abortion is a civil right....you have no right to tell anybody what they can do with their body....I personally hate abortions and would have never had one...you see I never had I child of my own and it's one of the greatest sorrows of my life.....but I do believe firmly that I have no right to chose if someone else should have an abortions...you seem to think that if abortions is made illegal that it will go away it won't you know....it just won't be safe.....and I pray to god that one of your girls never needs an abortion to save her life...because if abortion was illegal she'd have to died along with her unborn child...did you ever think of that....here's another thing late term abortion is illegal unless the mothers life is at risk or the child is so unhealthy it can't live...no doctor in his right mind would kill a baby that can live on it own it's against the law and it would be murder....these baby are sick and they are allowed to died because it's the right thing to do...they are not thrown.out with the trash..as so many right to lifers will state. The intervention of man in these cases goes against the will of god...I don't believe in force feeding anyone that can't make it known that they want it. be they 90 or minutes old....I am not hateful or evil....I just seen alot of heart ache in my year of working in healthcare and life and death are hard things to deal with....I can't count the number of people I have had died in my arms or the number of new borns I have held...until you do those things you can't understand... that sometimes death is best..the most humane thing....this might make you understand why I feel the way I do about things...the world is full of wonder if you take the time to see it.....and by the way I don't hate Bush...I think he has done great things with AIDS...I just don't like his policies on the middle east....bin Laden did just what he wanted to do when he hit the towers He kill our economy and he never dreamed he would do such a good job..

Yes, I know that you have to be fired or laid off to get unemployment. I know of a few people who just decided to stop showing up for work on time and missing lots of time, and therefore leading to their workplace firing them for their lack of commitment to the job. With that you can get unemployment, all they told the state was that they didn't have a way to get to work. This allowed them to collect. And most of the young mothers there get state funding because they don't work as well. Not to say that some of them don't deserve it, but others are well capable of having jobs but choose not to.And I'm not really sure who started the fire in downtown Milo. I have heard several theories, and yes I find it ridiculous that there have not been any arrests as well. I am just stating the things that I see and hear, and I have lived in this area since I was 6 years old, and have even been privy to many people who grew up in Milo, so I was just letting a piece of what I know be heard. Sorry if anyone takes that to offense.

kateindfcity----- Absolutely no offense!This is all true. I just wondered how these people could get unemployment whe n I didn't think many of them had ever worked. And I do remember when Milo was a really great town. The first 17 years of my life were spent there. Had a movie theater, a lot of stores,a train station, a mill,and all us kids swam in the river which was Clean. I loved living there. I lived in many states for many years and went back to Milo when I was older and most of my kids were grown. Still had some family there at the time. I could not believe the change! And the people. It's like no-one cares about anything but what they can find out about their neighbors to make them as miserable as possible and how much trouble they can cause. They vie for bragging rights. And the same as any little town, you have to have the right last name. Or the big "towns'. Why is this so important? It's who you are and how you live your life that counts. It's like thefolks there just don't much care about anything. Thank God, I am no longer there. It has to be the most depressing place on earth! No jobs, no one to work them if there were,no money and now no-town. Can't be much worse then that!

Louise, can you make a guess as to when the movie theater closed? Just curious.

Wow searoses, I can sense you passion in what you believe about abortion, although your points do not sway my opinion at all. I really wasn't trying to open up that can of worms. I know I wouldn't change your mind and don't feel the need to put you through me trying. I was making a bigger point on the changes in parties and how people in the past would percievs them. Civil right or not, Presidents of the past wouldn't understand. I also wasn't meaning to call you evil. I just don't like the everything about my side is right and everything about yours is wrong attitude that is on here a lot. The facts are it is all mixed up with good and bad. The GOP is suppose to be the national defense party, but the president in the biggest war ever that got us through was a dem, on the other hand it was a GOP president and the judges he appointed for that reason that really got womans sufferage going. There are good and bad ideas in both parties. I was refering to mainer50 and his racist gop comments. To that fact, laws passed the same in the 1860's as they do now, and Lincoln had the support of his party to pass them.

upeaster----My mind is blank. Nothing new. Wow, my Aunt took me to see Gone With The Wind and I can't remember if we sit upstairs or down. You see, we couldn't sit in the balconey until we were 12 years old! But I do know that I made it to the balconey for a few times so it must have been around 1952 or a little after?? Then the drive-in was put in and thats where everyone went. Sorry, not much help and I have no one left to ask!

Thanks. Maybe someone will jump in with an approximate date. I never sat in the balcony and forgot that rule. I turned 12 three years after you so it must have been closed that year. What I remember most about the drive-in was the snack bar, the sound hanging on the window, and the movie "Psycho" which scared me about to death. :-)

upeaster-------- You must have lived there? Wonder if we know each other or are we simply too old to remember? haha I bet the ladies at the Milo library would know. I did love that drive-in. We thought we were something when that opened up! That was back when you had tons of friends and everyone was there. Lots of good fun and great friends. Good memories. So too bad that things have to change so badly.

upeaster,me again. I looked up the library and e-mailed them. Maybe we can get an answer on the closure date. Will post it for you if I do. Have a good nite.

Glad one county got it right - alas - I'm afraid that all of you are going to be sadly disappointed with Obama's 4 years -

Those librarians are wonderful ladies and will have an answer if anyone does. Great idea. Thanks. We may know each other or may have known each other once. Time has erased most names from my memory bank these days.

I am thinking Lousie that you may know my mom or dad. That sounds like the time they had..

whitnmeme, do your folks still live in that area? It would be so nice to get in touch with the ones I used to know. Back in the good old days!

Louise, my mother lives here in dover-foxcroft. My dad passed away 6 years ago. Mom's graduation year was 1961..( i think). Her family lived at the end of clinton street, near the river.

I'd like to Pave Monson into a giant parking lot for a log flume ride into lake hebron. be a lot of fun.

I think its great that there is a comment board like this in maine. There is nowhere else that anyone in this state that can really come together online and talk. The feature is great

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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! just like red dawn lol! get the entire county is fenced in by an electric/barbed wire fence and forced to watch Obama's speeches

One would think that all the people who posted a comment on this article live, or lived at one time , in Milo. Piscataquis County really does have other towns so the mainly Republican Vote for the county had many other towns who voted Republican. We're so fortunate to live in a COUNTRY where we can vote the way we want.

Listening to the news this morning , it seems Obama is already going back on some of the things he promised during his campaign.

Milo has changed, a lot of towns have since we were young. Brownville used to be a booming town when my grandparents were young and still was , more than it is today , when i was young.

Going to Milo on the train to see the Saturday movie at the Theater was one of my favorite childhood memories. A soda at Daggetts drugstore next door to the theater after the movie with so many other kids. Fun times !!

And yes Louise---I lived in Milo for many years. I agree it hasn't gotten any friendlier over the years. A lot of GOOD people there too though, so lets not make people think everyone is unfriendly.

The Movie closed around 1955. I remember the Drive-In and that closed in the early 70's. I remember Pappa Joes, diner. That was a haven in other maddening flurry of chaos. I saw Curly O'Brian at the old theater, I was around 5 yrs. old, does that ring any bells? I also lived in the neighborhood of Clinton St.

whitnmeme, eastmainer and Mainer50---- Guess all of us lived around the same neighborhood! When I was a little kid I lived on my grandparents farm, out across the green bridge,towards Medford. There's a little road across from the farm where they sell the veggies. Used to be Brockway's. Then my mother and step-father and me and my siblings lived on Maple St. When I returned to the area years later, I lived on Maple St. until I left. And of course there are still some good people in Milo, the one's that have lived there most of their lives. I do not go back there for any reason anymore. My family is in this area now.-----whitnmeme, I know exactly where you mean on Clinton, just can't think who. I graduated in '57. And I used to love those soda's! I'd forgotten we had 2 drugstores, Dagget's and Owen's. I certainly remember Curly O'Brian Thanks for the closing date on the theater. I do have an e-mail in to the libray. I didn't hear the news this morning and really sorry to hear things are changing already? I was really hopeing for that Not to happen. Just great to hear from old neighborhood people!

I only have the memory of Daggetts as just a drug store. I remember the way it smelled inside.. all medicineny (sp). I also remember the drive-in. I remember my parent's packing myself and my 3 brothers in the back of the car. Billy Jack is the movie I remember the best. Mainer50 you probably know my mother then. Her family lived at the end of clinton street until my grandmother's passing back in 1997. It is the animal shelter now. It is really nice to see people posting that use to live there. Louise I am not exactly sure of where you are speaking off. But I bet if I mention it to mOm she would remember. It is really nice to meet you both (so to speak). Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

I remember a casuality from Vietnam that lived at the end of Clinton St.? Was that your family? I felt so bad and angry that we had to lose our best young people in a useless war. Now, I have heard from other people from Milo that they support this one, goes to show how conservatism still is ingrained. I'm a survivor of Milo...how about you? Yes, it is good to catch up with good people that made it out and has been able to have a quality of life...I know that if I had stayed there I know that I would be dead or died being drunk...the culture has alot to do with how one thinks of oneself. Horatio Algiers is alive and well and thriving in Milo. Brotherly love is not in Milo...Have a good Thanksgiving.

i know who you are talking about Mainer. My mother lived at the other end of clinton street. By the river, it was a big light green house. Yes I am a survivor of Milo. I only go down that way to pick up my grand daughter at her babysitter's. Allot has changed and so have the people. I don't know most of them any more. I just have my memories to make me happy and that is all I need.

Go to : http://www.trcmaine.org/visitors/landmarks/?landmark=theatre and you'll see information on the closing of the theater. I would guess the theater closed in 1956 though because I'm pretty sure I went to a movie there the end of December 1955 but never went again, according to my diaries written at the time. But no one has an exact date that I know of.

Have spent 50 years of summers in your neck of the woods. Living here in Mohegan/Pequot Connecticut area I can tell you the new liberalism down here is pure hell. Gang/ drug crimes going through the roof. 27 arrests just Friday last. Halfway and sober houses everywhere to accommodate spill over from legal system. Average 1 bedroom rental in excess of $800. Not exaggerating when I say it is difficult to communicate with most neighbors. Few of them speak English. At last count, 32 languages had to be accommodated in our local school system. Property and municipal taxes skyrocketing.

We had crosses being burned by KKK on rural farms outside town limits as recently as 1986. Trust me, what you have in Milo is simply a slice of Heaven! I am "from away" but am damned proud of Piscataquis' Republican/Conservative makeup. It is a welcome change to visit your area annually for peace and quiet, fresh air, and the pleasure of enjoying the company of folks who have their heads screwed on right and tight. Now don't you go changing a damn thing!