To have and have not
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To have and have not


The terrorist violence in Mumbai, India on Thursday is a grim reminder of the challenges democratic countries will face in this century. Americans were shocked into awareness of the new face of hostility and conflict in the world on Sept. 11. Other nations have been well aware of this reality for years. More such violence is bound to follow.

Vigilance, intelligence and swift military response to groups that would sacrifice themselves to their cause will not be enough to repel such actions. Understanding what motivates such groups must inform a response.

The nuclear standoff between the United States and the Soviet Union — the Cold War, which was the biggest threat to peace during much of the latter 20th century — was, at its core, a misunderstanding. The U.S. believed the Soviet Union was poised to launch nuclear attacks on the U.S. or its allies. The Soviet Union believed the same about the U.S. Unresolved issues over spheres of influence and human rights certainly also were part of the equation, but a commitment to diplomacy might have ended the Cold War well before the Soviet Union collapsed.

Today, the U.S. is the lone military superpower, but India and China are the rising stars on the world’s economic stage. As is the case in the Middle East, where oil wealth is visible to many but not necessarily shared by everyone, the friction between “haves” and “have nots” provides the spark that lights the powder keg of violence.

Speaking on MSNBC on Friday morning, CNBC host Erin Burnett said she had recently stayed at the Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai where the shootings occurred, and told an MSNBC host that it was one of the most beautiful hotels she’d ever seen. Yet just around the corner could be found some of the poorest people on the planet, she added.

“The proximity of extreme poverty and prosperity is stunning,” Ms. Burnett said.

That tension between poor and rich, especially aggravated by the country’s growing wealth, mixed with a dose of religious passion, creates desperation. That desperation is what leads people to form their own sect or cell, and take actions such as suicide missions that defy the will to live that guides most of us. This is the recipe for terrorism.

India has had more terrorist attacks in the last five years than any country other than Iraq. Its proximity to Pakistan, with which India has its own Cold War, suggests more terrorism is on the horizon. Though motives for the attacks were still unclear Friday afternoon, the rift between “haves” and “have nots” is likely a factor. Emerging democratic economic powers such as India would do well to reach out to disaffected groups and address economic inequities.

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While I agree with the conclusion of this editorial (in fact, I believe China will undergo poverty-related domestic unrest before India), the third paragraph, by means of explanation, is frustrating . Stating that the Cold War was a mere "misunderstanding" is gross simplification and opining that "diplomacy might have ended the Cold War well before the Soviet Union collapsed" is not only naive but also ignores some of the intense negotiations that actually took place. In the end, it was a combination of America's military and moral resolve with the the Soviet Union's failed economic model that ended the Cold War.

Mainecommenter has commented correctly. Weak oversimplifications, while making for easy reading and plenty of head nodding affirmations, do little to mine the true history behind the Cold War or even our current "terrorist threat." It would seem that the Fourth Estate has become adept at this form of reporting and editorializing. Regarding "terrorism", it is worth pointing out that marginalized groups are ripe for "development" as a tool of a global elite with an agenda of world dominance. If the news media truly likes "in depth reporting", they should take on the Federal Reserve System, the I.R.S., the C.I.A., Blackwater, and numerous other dubious agencies; especially those we perceive as being Constitutional. Drawing from the resources of the Supreme Law Library (www.supremelaw.org) one can find some interesting arguments supporting the fraudulent nature of many commonly accepted notions that will unnerve the uninitiated. Keep an open mind. -- "No man is more enslaved that he who thinks he is free, but is not." - Goethe

A few points.. The disparity in wealth in the neighborhoods of Mumbai had absolutely nothing to do with the terrorist attack there. More often than not the leadership of terrorist organisations are sons of wealth.... two most recent newsworthy examples are Osama bin Laden and dare I say Bill Ayers whose parents were millionaires. Second point. The concept of setting down and talking with "disaffected groups" presumes they desire to talk. Most have no such wish. Sometimes, as with this group in India, the world is better off just to find 'em and finish it. Thirdly, you should find another source rather than MSNBC to get your news from. The results of a survey a couple months back compared viewers of different networks and their accurate knowledge of world events. MSNBC viewers finished dead last. CNN viewers finished first. I think this probably accounts for your historical misunderstanding of the cold war.

Vichet is right. Sometimes word snobs are totaly blind to reality. In this case, the first two writers are assuming that these cowardly ,filthy,butcherers are in the same class as representatives of sovereign nations as China or the old USSR during the cold war. These countries backed their demands with armies that were trained to defend national interests on a soldier to soldier basis...not un-manly bullies who massacred unarmed men,woman ,and children whose only intent is to carry on their daily lives at a hotel or hospital in Mumbai. Remove the blindfolds, please, and realize that you can never negotiate with mad dogs and there-by giving them any respect at all...they must be destroyed.

vichet, kjpkjp, if I understand you correctly, a kill-everybody, take-no-prisoners policy is what's required to solve the terrorism crisis. A fine strategy if you can do so without creating more terrorism. I think it would be hard to make an alternative case EXCEPT that our strategy (kill them all) in Iraq and Afghanistan has actually created more terrorists. Yes, the surge has quelled most of the violence (for the time being) in Iraq, but Afghanistan is steadily spinning out of control. The U.S. will be out of Iraq at the latest by December 2011. Iraq is now run by a pro-Iranian government. Wasn't Iran part of the axis of evil not so long ago? Do you honestly believe that everything in Iraq will be hunky-dory after the U.S. leaves? Conversely, do you believe we should stay there indefinitely at the cost of $10 billion plus a month? As far as India and Pakistan are concerned, until they negotiate a solution to the problems in Kashmir and develop a level of trust (through negotiations) we'll see this kind of terrorism. Addressing the needs of the poor and downtrodden will also go a long way towards quelling political violence on a world wide level. Remember Osama bin Laden isn't the guy blowing himself up for Allah, it's his followers. I'm not sure that Bill Ayers fits the bill either, except as a rallying cry for the newly disenfranchised neo-cons, whose policies have only exacerbated terrorism on a worldwide scale. Remember, you'll be less inclined kill yourself if you have something to live for.

Bob, I do not follow the kill em all in every situation point of view. You misunderstand. i dont believe that at all. However these 30+ men who attacked India according to news reports, came on a ship from Pakistan, captured a fishing vessel and slit the throat of its Captain. With this boat they towed their speedboats close to shore loaded up with weapons and ammunition (enough to easily kill 5,000 innocent people) killed some people unloading their fishing boats split up and then targeted Caucasians. Most of the people they killed however were Indians. I dont even want to talk to the people who planned this. Bob, If you want to go talk to them, knock yourself out. Just put me in your will. As for Bill Ayers, I have been following him since 1968. He is not a new name to me I've known it for 40 years. I read stories about him in the BDN in the sixties. I read his manifesto & writings in the Boston underground press as well. I even lived in Chicago in the early seventies and hung out in the same bars on Lincoln Avenue he had frequented, I was so enamored by the Weather Underground. (did you know the only reason he was freed after his arrest was because of an illegal wiretap made his confession for planting bombs inadmissable?) As for where he fit, his organisation killed people. I only mentioned his name above because he was a son of wealth. He grew up on the north side of Chicago the son of a wealthy family whose father was chairman of Commonwealth Edison. This pattern fits over and over again for terrorist leaders. The terrorists always throw away the lives of the ignorant , the true believers, the pschiatrically and mentally challenged. The fact is we live in a world of extreme wealth and extreme poverty. I have seen it. I walked through the slums of Phnom Penh a decade ago. I watched as children picked through mounds of garbage for food and anything they could sell. I walked away from children whose family had cut off appendages to make them more sympathetic as beggars knowing that if I had given money other children might have suffered the same fate because of me. (my guide told me) The fact is the poor are too damn busy trying to survive to find the time to travel 1,000 miles to slit someones throat. I try to be a realist about such things, I know what I can do and what I cant do and I do what I can. I dont need a report from MSNBC to make me aware like this editorial writer does. Her simply saying that the rift between "haves and have nots" is a cause of the attacks is naive and foolish. Her characterising the Cold War as a "simple misunderstanding" is just plain ignorant.

BlueCollarBob, I'd be interested to hear your views about the U.S./Israel relationship. Do you have any?

Honestly ,this is a debate between :people who would enable terrorist by cow-towing to them every time these terrorist feel like they must butcher (NOT SOLDIERS but) unarmed men women and children of all ages, and people who will not enable terrorism. Should we do as the cowardly Spainish Government and back out of conflict because one of their subways was bombed a few years back. That is the way to temporary peace at the expence of future loss of security ala Neville Chamberlain's diseased decision not to confront Adolf Hitler in Chech. in the 30's ,laying pavement for the road to hell leaving millions dead and all societies grieviosly affected. Tell me,someone, how many more of our trade buildings or vital government buildings have been attacked and knocked down since George Bush confronted these demented cowards in Afganistan and Iraq, HUH! I will condone "talk " to people with a legitimate gripe or even someone who is wrong and wants to reason things out ...I will never talk to a person or group who tells me I had better back down or else they will murder hundreds of innocent people. Spain also as at peace (the "peace in our time" variety) in capitulation to the threat of more terrorism . With their well-meaning head in the sand they will get along fine untill the day when that vermin ,that they enabled to succeed, pulls that silly head out of that sand and cuts it off. Never say that you have not been warned to not repeat the mistakes of past history.

By the way , my father was a mainer who won the silver and bronze stars in combat in WW2 fighting Adolf's best ;maybe bravery is genetic...maybe cowardice is to.

Vichet, I've also witnessed third world poverty abroad and even here, but while I agree that it's an oversimplification to say that the disparity between rich and poor is the cause of terrorism, it's certainly ONE of the root causes. If the perpetrators of the attacks in India last week could have been stopped militarily of course I'd be all for it. That being said, the problem with our approach has been that when we drop bombs on terrorists we usually kill a number of innocent civilians. Their families and friends then see us as the terrorists and join the fight. We must address the conflicting needs of disparate tribes and religions to stop this madness. Certainly one of their most important needs is raising their standard of living. Negotiating with terrorists already on a mission isn't what I'm talking about. Solving the problems that drive them to terrorism is. Bombing them won't change their minds and we'll never be able to kill them all, and while the poor might be too busy just trying to eke out an existence, the beneficiaries of our mindless energy policies are only too happy to finance their weapons, training and travel expenses.

David889327, I'm a die-hard supporter of the State of Israel. That being said,Israel must dismantle the settlements and return to the 1967 borders in exchange for real peace. My views are consistent with the majority of Israelis. According to the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies, 59% of respondents in 2003 supported the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza in the framework of a peace agreement, up from 49% in 2002. Those who agreed to abandon all but the large settlement blocs increased from 50% in 2002 to 59% in 2003. The number of those supporting the idea of separation from the Palestinians by withdrawing unilaterally even if that meant abandoning settlements increased from 48% in 2002 to 56% in 2003. Unfortunately there is too much money to be made fanning the flames of hatred on both sides for the majority opinion to become reality on the ground. The anemic response to this conflict by the Bush administration is a reflection of the grasp the military industrial complex has on our leaders in Washington. Why broker a settlement when there are billions of dollars to be pocketed.

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kjpkjp, solving the problems that are at the roots of terror isn't capitulation. A sensible energy policy that quickly and responsibly weans us off Mideast oil would be far more successful than the indiscriminate bombing of Afghan and Pakistani villages. Every tank of gas we buy puts more cash in the pockets of our enemies. Don't forget that 9/11 could have been prevented if our commander and chief had chosen to pay attention to his intelligence briefings.

Blue collar Bob, couldn't agree more with you ...wind ,solar,renewable..right on! You missed my point completely...The taliban and bin laden sought to gain international recognition not by running legit. and reasonable coutries but through murder and acts of cowardice. As far as intelligence briefings go, why would George bush ,even before 9/11, want to negotiate with usama or any of the others who wish to anialate the "Great Satan and The wicked Israel" Even Obama wants to kill usama (poetic coincidence?) other than to tell them "You better not trrryy" And if GB had known he reaction would have been the same..that is..get them before they murder our children. I'm just asking you to concider not giving these human abominations respect that they do not deserve. Usama money may have come from oil rich nations but His idea was only to destroy, and subsequently picking his own method of demise..destruction. Bob ,are you saying we should begin talks with bin laden..you know to sympathize with his dep rooted problems?

sorry for the abominable spelling

BlueCollarBob, thank you for responding to my question. Do you think that American support for Israel is or is not a factor in causing Islamic terrorist activity against America and American citizens?

Bob, While you set down for a chat with these guys to try and figure out what their issue is please remember these guys intentionally selected innocent civilians to make their political statement. The people that planned this are somewhere far away hiding among their families figuring that the tragedy will not touch them, They do not deserve that luxury. I hadn't considered that they might be mecenaries financed by some government, good thought. If they are, that country is real trouble. Do you think Pakistan or Saudi Arabia? As for addressing the needs of disparate tribes. Do you have any idea of what you are advocating? It wasnt so long ago these guys would attack the village up stream because someone pissed in it. How exactly are you going to address this poverty issue. Is your criteria that once a group commits some horrific act you open up some government program in its village? Is the size of the program determined if they grab international attention by invading another country and killing hundreds or smaller if they just stone a woman to death because she was raped? How do you address the disparity of wealth even if it was the "root" cause.

kjpkjp, Please don't ask me again if I'd negotiate with Bin Laden. That's not what I've been talking about. Bush could have taken action prior to 9/11 to prevent the attacks from taking place, i.e. beefing up airport security. He would have had a mandate to do whatever he wanted had he prevented that disaster. A good way to use that mandate would have been to bring both sides together in the Arab-Israeli conflict and insist on negotiations until a fair agreement was worked out. Taking the same tack on the India-Pakistan problems undoubtedly would have taken the wind out of Bin Laden's sails. Imagine if we were spending ten billion dollars a month on economic development in the Palestinian territories and the tribal regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan rather than on a war with no end in Iraq. Imagine if we'd spent twenty percent of our military budget on developing alternative energy. Madmen are born everyday, but their destructiveness is limited by the number of followers they can muster. As far as I can tell, we haven't caught or killed Bin Laden or decreased the number of his followers. Our disastrous policies in the Mideast and elsewhere have actually helped Bin Laden gain a larger following. One of his stated goals was to bankrupt the west. Have you been following the news lately? Our government policies have been dictated by the twin serpents of arrogance and greed.

David889327, of course American support for Israel is a huge factor driving terrorist activity. All the more reason to work tirelessly for a solution to the crisis. Every day we wait creates more misery and more hatred.

Vichet, EDUCATION!!! It does amazing things. I don't believe for a moment that these people prefer starving and freezing to death in mud huts is preferable to an education. Food, clothing, shelter and hope for a better future for themselves and their children. It wasn't that long ago Americans were killing each other because of slavery. Look what education 100 plus years and has done here. Now we have a black President-elect. It's amazing how education stops people from pissing in rivers and slaughtering each other. As far as terrorist financing is concerned, Bushes buddies in Saudi Arabia are the main problem. Read up on the Wahabis. Stop buying their oil, and the terror money dries up. ALTERNATIVE ENERGY!! GREEN POWER!!!!!!!! Peace, shalom, salaam.

BlueCollarBob, I'm afraid you're hopelessly optimistic if you believe working tirelessly will solve this issue!

David889327, bombing tirelessly has only made it worse. What other choice do we have?

BlueCollarBob, I think one of the first things would be to broaden the international financial support for Israel, to take the heat off America. If that doesn't work over a reasonable period of time, expand the bombing. It's probably too late to relocate Israel.

Thanks for the lively discussion Bob.. Hopefully this India incident wont be repeated... but I fear ... if history is any teacher ... much worse things will be visiting us. There is one last thing I'd like to suggest. Besides ratching down your oil consumption, good advice there. There is one thing YOU can do. Find an organzation you trust on the internet that builds schools in some 3rd world country and set up a donation plan within your means. I did that for a school in Cambodia 10 years ago. If that is not your thing find a local group to support that maybe provides fuel assistance. We all want the same thing but its only a question of how we get there.

Vichet, oddly enough, I couldn't agree with you more. Christmas presents this year to all in my extended family will be charitable donations in their names. It's a discussion we've all had and feel very strongly about. Times are tough for all of us from here to Timbuktu. Now more than ever is a time to help those in need. It doesn't matter where you stand ideologically, we all know what the right thing to do is. Spread the word.

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