Group uses marijuana as sacrament

Sounds like the brick Church in Bangor sold out to you know who.And where that will take you is full of smoke .

I can relate to what Ms. Bailey stated. Everytime that I took "the sacrament" it also opened my mind to different possibilities. Unfortunately, those possibilities made it difficult to speak, drive, and made me eat mass quantities of cheese burgers. While a student at UMO I participated in similar religious events with fellow parish members. We would sit around the fondue bowl and thank whoever grew the "sacrament" for its magical powers. Come to think of it, aint religion great?

After reading this article I think the sacrament has affected their minds. Of course one can justify anything by saying it is God's will. I think some people need to read up and study the defination of "Sacrament"

Sounds exactly the way 'Reverend" Jim Jones and Charles Manson took their flock; through the streets of marijuana and into eternal everlasting euphoria! This is just a mockery of the traditional indigenous Indian worship rites and smacks right in the face of the United States government's federal laws on illegal substance abuse. I can most likely bet that this type of activity is for one; going on on the Indian reservation, two; where is the marijuana coming from, and by or through whom and where is it grown, three; did Loring officiate legal papers to institute his "church" as a legal worship entity with a tax-exempt number, and four; the authorities best shut these idiots down fast and furious. If Loring's apartment or whatever he is living in, is on federal property or not, Loring may have the attention of the Federal Bureau of Investigation very soon!

Truly one of the stranger BDN articles.

Judy Harrison nothing better to write about than a house full of stoners.Pass the refrigerator.

LOL cnabas

This story truely sucks!!!! This is just a copout for smoking all the pot they want with out getting busted... They have service 2 times a week... if the DEA approves this... Whatch there service go from 2 times to 7 times awk..... Myself i have nothing against it. if they don't bother anybody... But, if this gets approved? This gathering will grow in a big, big way....... But, hopefully the DEA will shut them down!!!!!!!

Proves one thing. There are a lot of whacko's out there.

"Cannabis is the Divine Inheritance given to all people by Mother Earth so that we may unlock the mystery of the many and varied messages of the Pure One,” AGAIN, WTF.......BEEN SMOKING TOO MUCH, THE BRAIN CELLS ARE DEAD.........................LAST COMMENT I PROMISE...........

Didn't mention how they all returned home after "The taking of the sacrament."

Shades of the 1960's & 70's... the Hippies are back. They seem to be going to a lot of trouble to get a few snorts of their happy weed. The native Inuit people tried a similar ceremony a couple hundred years ago but they had a problem growing the sacred plant on an iceberg. They tried smoking arctic flowers but it didn't have quite the same effect.

Imagine the ceremony they will have if they get their hands on that $60K gift from the Mary Jane Policy Project. Hope those pot heads have their senses about them when they make that "trip" back to Augusta.

I am pretty open minded on religion and generally give the benefit of the doubt, but after checking out their site I have to agree with most posters. The site is covered in anti DEA writing, a really hockey “creation” story and various other justifications for their drug use. There is a picture of one of their leaders standing in front of American type flag with the stripes black and white and pot leaves all over it. This is a just a better organized than usual pro Marijuana group, and it is time the authorities put an end to this before it becomes a real problem.

Brooks,

Wake up! If the BDN covers a story about a murder in our area are they condoning it? NO. Just as the printing of this article is not condoning what is happening with this group. Didn't a HUGE amount of Bangor area parents just complain that they aren't made more aware of what is going on in their child's lives so they can make decisions (i.e. Bangor High School threats)??? Well here you go - now you are in the know. Now you know your child(ren) shouldn't attend worship here. If your kids really believe an article simply condones the use of drugs or alcohol...maybe you should have a sit down - sounds like they are a little misguided.

huh...another way to condone drug use. does anyone else here see the irony in this? “Cannabis is the Divine Inheritance given to all people by Mother Earth so that we may unlock the mystery of the many and varied messages of the Pure One,”. WTF? So cocaine is also given to us by poppy seeds, does that mean we can praise God and/or Mother Earth by snorting? Funny thing is, I work in the same place the Rev Whitting does, and I've always thought that he was a little off, and now I know why. Also, being an EMMC employee, he sees the effects of drug use everyday. Hello?? Smoking pot will keep them from using other destructive drugs? What happens when someone forgets to bring the dimebag with them to church?

Who are these people hurting? Why should the gov't have to regulate every church service anyway? If there is no victim there should be no crime. These guys should use sweet American cannabis instead of that dirty South American marajuwana. I predict we will be reading about a church raid in the near future. The US gov't has already driven the Church of the Universe and the Rastafarian religion underground and I'm sure there are many more that we don't know about. This will be another underground religion once the gov't starts regulating them with fines and jail. Don't we have any real crime in this state to worry about?

I hope everyone understand the basic tenants of religious freedom. That your right to believe we are wrong is the very right we fight to protect. I'm astonished at the level of animosity and intolerance displayed here. But I respect your opinions and freedom of speech. We want to live together in peace. We know full well how hateful people can be. We are not stupid, we KNOW that those who stand against us will try to demonize us and capitalize on messages of hate.

People tend to think the United States is a christian republic, however, it is not. It is a secular republic, dedicated to religious freedom and equality for all. If the taste of our message leaves a bad taste in your mouth, you can always go to the bar and have a drink. Maybe you'll go home and pop a valium and rest easier knowing you helped squash someone else's dreams.

Drug abuse is a serious problem. Opiates have taken over our State. It's no suprise that addicts can never clean themselves up. Our community does nothing to support them. Look at these posts and it is clear why so many fall through the cracks. Indifference and Intolerance. Yet we have a methadone clinic, oh yeah, that's right, everyone looks down on those trying to get out of addiction and be the citizens you wanted them to be. Great Work!

Our Country was the home of the Native Americans. White settlers, looking for religious freedom came here and wiped us out. They forced christianity on our tribes, hoping to Tame and Pacify the Native Savages. Then, white, landowning slave owners who did not want to pay taxes, fought the Revolutionary War to gain freedom from Britain. Another Job well done, we pay more taxes now than ever before. We got a tax for everything. But again, it's ok. We will all be so busy arguing that we won't notice when the Chinese reposess our country becuase we can't pay off our outstanding debts. I hope you like rice.

FreedomFighter: There IS real crime for us to worry about. A good majority of it STEMS from drug use. I just recently had an "issue" with someone breaking into my vehicle and stealing things to sell to make money to buy drugs. So the victim is? me. Drug use is NOT a victimless crime. We all pay, in one form or another. Potheads have a natural tendency to sit on their lazy asses and collect welfare, or steal from their friends and family to buy their drugs. Don't even try to con us into believing your hippy b-s. Go to work and get a life. JD

This is just too bizarre. What's wrong with these people? Can't they engage in a normal, reasonable sacrament, like eating the body of a guy who died 2000 years ago and drinking his blood?

can you say Loser

ok, I like to limit myself to 3 posts in any particular article, so here is the past one, I promise.

TempleGreen: I am a native indian as well, and never have I seen or heard a bigger line of Anti-American B-S in my life. The "Invasion of the White Christians" ended over 400 years ago. Get over it. I agree with your comment about taxes. But, how does your belief in "no taxation" condone the use of marijuana? We native Cherokees (of the Leem tribe based in Oklahoma) do not subscribe to any sort of drug use, nor has any other native tribe that I've associated with. You comment about the addicts who fall through the cracks? What about the addicts that decide to leave your "church" and roam the streets looking for ways to score their next buzz? They are addicts now...you hooked them. Anyone who says that pot is not addictive is dead wrong. Anyone who says smoking a cigarette is worse than smoking pot hasn't read up on the latest medical findings. One joint contains 5 times the deadly carcinogens that one cigarette provides. Alcohol? Just as deadly in more ways than one. Valium? Are we still living in the 70's?

TempleGreen, grow up. Pot is for those who do not value life. Pot is for those who can't handle the realities of life. It's an escape, pure and simple. And your "religious sect" is just an excuse for you to get high.

Ok, I'm done now. I'm sure I've pissed off enough people for the day. Merry Christmas! JD

From this story, I'm assuming if you get a little religious group together, you can smoke your brains out and it's ok? Wonder how many tokes would have been taken if a reporter haden't been there watching? I also thought that EMMC was pretty strict about the use of drugs by their employees. So why is this guy special? He's simply talking the old hippie talk and getting away with it. I guess I've pretty much heard it all , with this story. And this is legal why? If one of them was caught outside "the apt. church"with the goods in a bag in their pocket, they would be facing 20 years. And last question, what in the name of God does this have to do with religion??

Inhale.....When they say high council......do they mean.....exhale.....oh it all makes sense now; Thank you Giant Green Giant God of the mother ship.....I mean Mother Earth!

Just when I thought I'd HEARD IT ALL. I've been praying that my grand kids will start going to church, now I have to Pray, PLEASE God don't let them find that little brick church. I know my BIBLE well enough to know where this one will lead them.

Jenna_T: what a nasty sacrament, eating the body and blood...ugh. Is that Christian? I'd rather smoke pot for sure. People need to relax, at least these people aren't hiding their use, I am a disabled, wheelchair bound, elderly man and pot is the only medicine that takes away my pain and quells the side effects of the other medication I take. I am always grateful when someone in the neighborhood treats me to some. There are far more people in my community who smoke than don't. I think some of those who are so against pot really smoke themselves or want to. chill out. peace and love.

the song remains the same, to leaglize marajuana first and foremost dont smoke it, this herb can be consumed without releasing its harmfull carcinogins, as a spice simmular to oragino or basil is the only possability of legalization, if it ever was legal it would loose its 'Gateway Drug' persona, people wouldn't be lurking in dark alleyways to buy and consume it, as a religous aid to the woodstock doccumentary church, good luck smokeing pot on main st. It doesnt take nostredamus to figure out that next week the collection plate will be a little light after court fees and fines are paid, JUST ANOTHER LEAGALIZE IT GROUP LIKE HEMPSTOCK OUT ON MAIN STREET GETTING BUSTED, F.Y.I. KEEP IT UNDERGROUND KEEP YOURE POT! LOL

“Cannabis is the Divine Inheritance given to all people by Mother Earth so that we may unlock the mystery of the many and varied messages of the Pure One,” the group’s Web site states.

Then why not eat a tomato?

Just a few other points, maybe people should think about.

- The Native American Church has had a spiritual use exemption for peyote for 35 years.

- The Supremem Court granted a permenant injunction against the DEA for interfering ith the religious worship of the UDV and their use of DMT.

- We just celebrated Thanksgiving, a holiday that gives thanks, especially to Native Americans who helped the settlers make it trhrough the winter.

- The Maine Civil Liberties Union just won a case in Portland that dealt with using a home for private religious worship.

- Re-Read the Constitution of the United States.

- Read the Maine State Constitution and it's equal protection of Churches both incorporate and unincorporate.

- Read the Maine Civil Rights Act.

- And lastly sacraments related to Jesus like bread and water. Those are essential in other faiths. Funny how people can use Jesus to promote intolerance and hate, but not as a way of celebrating life and diversity. There is something wrong with any religion that condones the intolerance of others based on belief. A true religion would accept everyone, period. Jesus had vastly contrasting opinions in his time and look where it got him. At least from the posts I've read, it would seem we are on the right track.

I wish people would understand how much courage it takes to stand up for what you believe. To work together for the good of our community. HIV, AIDS and many other terminal illnesses have torn apart families and communities. Cannabis shows great promise as a treatment. Maine Voters made this law, but left nowhere for our beloved families to turn to. Where is our compassion?

Why do our best and brightest leave our great state in droves? Becuase we are treat them like slaves. Minimal pay, no benefits and no health care. They leave becuase we have no opportunities. They leave becuase we don't change and grow together. Becuase we are not free. As long as States like California promote freedom and compassion, our State will never be able to compete. Places with real jobs and opportunities will always lure our citizens away in the hopes of something better.

The American government's own investigative commission on Marijuana concluded that it was a harmless drug and should be legalized. This did not sit well with those that wanted to appear tough on crime so the findings were buried and ignored. If you don't believe me, look it up yourself. I believe it was Nixon that finally quashed the study after the doctors, psychologists and criminalists could not be forced to change their findings.

And to Jenna_T, right on girl !

You know, if we tried to take guns away from people, we'd have to pry them off their dead bodies. Guns kill more Americans every day. Aspirin kills 500 people a year.

TempleGreen: Ive got no beef if people want to toke up and this reason is as good as any; just stay off the roads. Do you only smoke these two times of the week or do you have morning, afternoon and evening prayer daily? I know you have to practice your sermons so I assume you spark up for that too? Smoking must be a full time job now, I mean, if a little pot is good then a brick must be great. See you in heaven brother.

Today we pray for a quick recovery to Tom Brady's knee *cough* .

Cherry------ I know there are people out there who "smoke" for pain purposes and simply because they like it. And regardless of what they say , it is addictive. That is a personal choice. There are a lot of addictions out there, pot probably being the less of the evils. I raised 5 boys, so believe me , I know!! All I'm saying is, why drag religion in to it? It has absolutely nothing to do with this pot smoking bunch of people. They need to go back to their little corners where they used to smoke and leave God out of it. I bet you can't just go and get it, and I see why you would use it. It just pisses me off when people use religion to do anything illegal they want to and get away with it. They even get a BDN article. I bet You wouldn't. At least , not the good kind. Have a good day, take care, and maybe a good neighbor will drop by today and help you out a little.

Didn't the BDN have any other stories that they could publish? If they are putting this story into the BDN they must have been pretty hard up for stories.

President Bush talks about his "Faith" on national TV routinely. In a true seperation of Church and State we wouldn't even have to deal with these issues. They would be automatically protected. Even the IRS automatically exempts religious groups from generally applicable law. We shouldn'

t have to fight for an exemption or court ordered injunction. The right of the government to swing its fist, ends at our nose. I have the utmost faith in our country. I am not anti-government or anti-DEA. The DEA incorrectly scheduals cannabis as having no accepted medical use. And uses this designation to oppress not just our Temple, but many churches just like us nationwide. Hawaii has a State Licenced Cannabis Reverend.

Why is it every time there is a difference in people that they have to fight for freedom? Why do gays and lesbians have to fight for equality? Why did ex-slaves have to fight twice? First to be free and THEN again to be equal? Woman too, had to fight for equality and still do to this day.

The Underground Railroad is honored and cherished as a part of American History. Churches broke the law, to help slaves find freedom in the North.

During Alcohol Prohibition, there was the Volstead Act, a widespread exemption for the use of "intoxicating liquers" for all religious sects. It was just assumed everyone used alcohol in such a manner. They made no distinction about what type or kind of alcohol was used. And they certainly didn't make a denominational preference.

Lest we forget, until the drug companies can control the sale and distribution of reefer, it will remain illegal for casual use. Selling drugs with severe side effects is only legal if you're a drug, tobacco or alcohol company.

The Church of Jail, Has been established as a meeting place for people of all religions and beliefs not leagal.

Cannabis was created by God. God saw all that he had made and it was very good (Gen 1-31) God didn't forbid us from using any plants. Cannabis also cures many cancers. For a cancer cure go to www.phoenixtears.ca. Prohibition protects our drug companies and their expensive and profitable cancer treatments. I know pill heads that snort pills everyday and still go to work every day. It's none of my business how they run their life but not all drug users are unemployed gangsters. Prohibition does breed gangs though. We should repeal these restrictions on our freedom and introduce personal responsibility. People that support prohibition are supporting organized crime. The high black market prices are what causes the unemployed to steal. All plants should be grown freely and nobody would have to steal to aquire it. I hate seeing my tax dollars wasted in this black hole.

"...you can always go to the bar and have a drink. Maybe you'll go home and pop a valium and rest easier knowing you helped squash someone else's dreams"

You lose you religous leader credability here with this small minded petty attack against those that disagree with you. Any religous leader I have met of any faith would not lash out in any way against those that objected to their rituals. This has nothing to do with "hate".

"The Native American Church has had a spiritual use exemption for peyote for 35 years."

Your really comaring yout church to this? really? I think you have a few thousand years to go before you have the history and tradition to stand on to even begin to make this comparison.

I will agree with on lack of economic opportunity in the state and that the State is sucking the econoic life blood out of its residents. I would agree that this causes a sense of hoplessness in us all. I find it ironic though that it is often these exact feelings that lead to substance abuse and addiction and you are using them to defend to use of illegal substances in your worship.

The truth is I could care less if you, Cherry who probably has the best reason for it, or anybody else smokes weed in privately for no other reason than to get stoned, but dont try to justify with religion.

I can see how maybe this isn't a HUGE story to cover, but i think it deserved some recognition. I have read over and over again about people's views on religion and how they see it should be practiced and so forth. What is the difference here? Yeah so they're being not too smart using an illegal drug for their sacrament. But how, in any way, can someone say that is not a way to worship god? If that is how they want to worship, it seems pretty harmless to me. Or maybe, they can all go to Catholic mass and get molested. Saying that religion has any "sacred" peice left to it is pretty much grabbing at straws here people. For thousands of years people have worshipped in vastly different ways, and for someone of a religious background to judge someone else's opinion is against their own religion. Christianity says that the only judge is "god" and let those without sin cast the first stone. Here lines up a bunch of people who apparently are completely righteous.

I say that as long as they're not sacrificing small children and animals, let them go on in peace. If they get in trouble, so be it. That is their responsibility. I don't smoke, but I fully advocate the legalization of marijuana. The benefits that this plant can bring our economy is enormous. This plant can be used countless ways for medical and industrial purposes. People are just blinded on the "war on drugs" aspect that should be focusing on drugs much more harmful on today's youth. I don't agree with the view that marijuana is a gateway drug. I have known several people who have only smoked marijuana, never to have used any other drug. If alcohol can be legal, and monitored as to it's affect on driving, etc., then why can't this be legal as well?

Peace

God saw all that he had made and it was very good (Gen 1-31). God made terrorists and they are not good (Rogue Wave 1-2). Cannibus cures cancers as well as causes some. Coincidently chewing tobacco prevents cavities but your gums rot away...if you want to smoke then smoke just stop with the BS that your selling us, I had enough of it when Obama got elected.

This is a joke right. If not I think these people have smoked a little bit to much dope.

Everyone is preaching that the church and state are seperate.. Then arrest these law breakers!! SORRY BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.... They want to legalize Gay Marriage, but doesn't want religon to intefere, but they use religon when they want to smoke pot!

Im not going to work tomorrow due to religious beliefs....im staying home, smoking some pot and watching football. Maybe I can get a $50,000 grant to buy some tickets, jerseys and beer....oh and to educate people too almost forgot that one.

-hemp is used to make rope, --overturn the governing laws first before you hang youreself -----all the wonders of cannibis will be throughly explored once leagal

Im so out of it today, must have been too much prayer last night.

Why don't we all attend his next metting, which will be held Dec. 9, at 7 p.m. and don't forget your id's or you will not be allowed to recieve the sacrament, you must be at least the age of 18. and maybe the good "REV." will give up his share of the sacrament for the evening and offer to drive us all home. I wonder if they will be enough sacrament to go around.

I think it is pathetic..Again people try to use religion as a means to justify their wrongs...God created dirt..Should we eat it? How idiotic...To those who preach about Marijuana being used for pain...To let you in on a little medical info..They make marijuana in pill form for those who need it for pain, it is not only used for people with pain issues, it is used for cancer patients, under weight elderly patients as an appetite stimulant to put weight back onto those who are unable to regain their appetite.

How about the fact these people of this so called temple of andvanced enlightment are inflicting others in their apt building to the use of illegal substances for it is in the air, seeping through the ducts, under doorways and so forth...I seriously hope that there are no children above, below, or beside these idiots that are unwillingly, and unknowingly inhaling second hand marijuana....

I believe that people have the right to make their own choices but come one now..If you want to be an idiot..be an idiot..don't use religion as a way to justify stupidity...

Are you serious? This is absurd. I think these people need to find something more constructive to do besides trying to come up with a clever name for pot smoking...and what 4:20 is a religious time that the "Pure One" just happened to send weed down to earth? COME ON! All these people want to do is sit around their little camp fire and smoke some pot and make up some religious name for it so they can get away with it. I guess the rest of the people who smoke it and sell it in Maine should make up some religious name for their group of smoking buddies so they can do it too without getting into trouble from the law. THEN the state wouldn't have to legalize it cause we will all have cool religious names for it. Offer drug abuse intervention and mentoring--- how can you do that while your smoking a drug? Isn't the point of drug abuse intervention not doing drugs? Oh but wait.....weed is a sacrament so that doesn't count. This is crazy. GET A HAIR CUT AND A REAL JOB YOU BUMS!!

A religion that disallows people based on their age? This will never work!

Since marijuana can affect judgment and decision making, using it can lead to risky sexual behavior, resulting in exposure to sexually transmitted diseases, like HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Is this what you want big green?

Remember next tuesday is Maui Wowie day here at the ol brick church so extra sacrament for those that wear recycled cotton or bring some Dylan.

Let's also add the fact that we have enough under the influence of intoxicant idiots driving on the roads as we speak....Let's make this legal so we can get slammed into head on with our children in the car because all these pathetic excuses for human beings are behind the wheel of their car! Drugs are drugs and making stupid comments that it is sacred from the lord is just so pathetic to me I cannot comprehend it....It is so hard being a parent in this day and age..I am trying so hard on a daily basis to instill good choices into my teenager...Drugs are everywhere in this world and it's a tough task as a mother and a father to instill the dangers of drugs into our teens...having these type of idiots making their case based on religion in wich we all try to instill is just confusing to immature, uneducated teenage minds..

Next thing we all will read is they try to make cocaine legal for weight loss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Freaking pathetic idiots!

It is sad that everyone chooses to focus on the sacrament and not the actual message. We are not opening the floodgates for people who just want to smoke reefer. This is a sincere religious practice. We strive with purest intent to end our pesecution, to increase community involvement on every level and take care of the sick an dying that we promised that we as a society would be there for.

Is it really so wrong? Have we in some way attcked you, your families or communities? What is it about standing up for our unique beliefs that in some way offends you? We just want to be free, like all of you. We struggle for the rights you take for granted. Religion and spirituality are inherently personal relationships with a higher power. That guides us to become better people, that helps us through dark times.

We know we may stumble, but we will stand up again and again. It is not blasphemy to want to work together. It is not sacriledge to simply accept other cultures and treat them with respect and dignity.

It is our sincere hope that we can all find a way to live together, in peace. I am glad that everyone can elect to use their voice. The Pen is mightier than the Sword. Please, take some time, read our message before simply disregarding us. We are not drug dealers. We are not criminals. We are parents, children, teachers and students. We are your family and friends. And regardless of how you treat us, we love you and accept that many of you are simply not ready to take an educated and objective look at what we're doing. We don;'t ask that you believe as we do. We simply ask that we be left alone to worship as we see fit in accordence with our conscience.

This is so great. The documentation of a rise and fall of a religion: The initial story to get the message out and the arrests to follow. I am so glad its all right here for me to follow! I like the recliners as pues and the TV in the corner....very churchy if I do say so myself! They should be ashamed for bringing God into this and also for that sign on the door that a second grader made. Priceless! Thank you Temple of the High for making my day!

What you sinned? That'll be 2 bong hits and one Hail Mary for the hippy.

Dude , you're crazy...seriously you need help.

TEMPLEGREEN.....YOU ARE AN IDIOT...DO THE WORLD A FAVOR...STAY OFF THE ROADS AFTER YOU PERMORM YOU "RITUALS" I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOUR UNEDUCATED, IDIOTIC, PATHETIC MESASGE DOES NOT REACH THE EYES AND EARS OF MY TEENAGER! I HOPE THE DEA NAILS YOUR ASS TO THE WALL...

YOU WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE? YOU DON'T ASK SOCIETY TO BELIEVE AS YOU DO?? YOU WISH TO WORSHIP YOUR EDUCATED BELIEFS IN PRIVACY??? ARE YOU FOR REAL? IF ALL THAT WERE SO...YOU DEFINITLY WOULD NOT BE SEEKING FOR LEGALIZATION....AS WE ALL SAY....PATHETIC.....

You're going to be choking on your own B.S. shortly!!!

hahahaha, I betcha I wont be the only one laughing my pitutti off when we see you walking out of your apartment in cuffs....hahahaha....this world is so full of stupid people...Let's make cocaine legal for weight loss in the obese....Let's make extacy legal to make people more affectionate...

Let's make all drugs legal for God must have created it for some form of ritual or cure!

I know I will be sitting on the couch watching the nightly news laughing hysterically when I see these idgits arrested...

What a load of sh!t...ending our pesecution...not seeing the message. It sounds like the same message as most churches except you have a TV next to you! What the hell is that? I hope you are paying the correct taxes for a religious building buddy. You are not my family or friend and neither are the flowers and mosquitoes. You will stumble yes, probably in a field sobriety test. Cant you just go play some video games and order Papa John's?

Temple'o'green'bud: Dude...we've had enough of your hypocritical slander. It is not a right nor a privilege to break the law and smoke pot. Period. And no, it is not sacrilege to accept other cultures. We do it everyday. Reefer is not a culture. You are correct as well when you say that it is not blasphemy to want to work together. But remember, the keyword is "work". Not get high. "We are not criminals". What? You're not? I thought anyone breaking the law is considered criminal? You are my family and friends? Sorry chump, tell you're parents that the 1960's died 40 years ago, and for good reason. I don't consider anyone who smokes pot my friend. I've kicked many friends to the curb for doing it. And if I found out that MY sons teacher was smoking pot, I would be at the Board of Education in minutes, filing a complaint.

You mention California being so laid back in their laws....so what? Move to Cali with the rest of the blasphemous idiots, and enjoy your fate. We prefer to keep Maine clean. I'll take a cut in pay anyday to make sure my kids have a decent place to live. No, wait, I already did that. That's why I moved to Maine 21 years ago....to get away from uneducated criminals like you. All I ask is for the DEA to let me be the first in line when they bust down your front door to arrest the morons behind it. I know I speak for the majority of folks here when we say "Just leave. and take your beliefs with you".

I know I said that my 3rd post would be my last, but I couldn't help but chime in once more to let this lame joker know where we stand. I volunteered 4 years of my life to defend this great country, and I'm not about to let this guy ruin it for my kids. If you're that much of a religious martyr, Mr Temple of Green, then sign up for the military and do something right for a change. You may contact me directly at mainetaguy@hotmail.com

It took millions of years to build this religion and JayDanielz just broke it down in a matter of minutes. Sacrament will be fives times a day until they can figure out a way to bounce back.

TempleGreen---- You are so full of crap or whatever you are smoking that it is almost unbelievable! And what message might we all be missing?What the hell kind of persecution are you all going thru?? Did someone tell you you might have to go to work? You know, the hippie era went out a long time ago. If you people think you are going to get a lot of religious followers, your all nuts. Your pot smoking has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If you've got to be a pothead to believe in God, there really is more wrongdoing in this world then I thought! This is what you teach your children? There is no way this is a sincere, religious, practice. God told you all to smoke pot and worship? My ass! Do you really think most of us are that gullible? You may get a lot of followers, but not of the religious kind! Better get a big bunch of those joints rolled, because the next meeting will probably be a lot bigger, since this ignorant article was written. Just be honest, why don't you. You could care less about God, you just want the right to hole up somewhere and smoke your brains out!

hrdwrknmom..ur an idiot!

TempleGreen is in prayer right now and will respond after his nap.

dandlmom....I am an idiot??? Really??? Why is that??? Dandlmom I would love for you to say that to my face...Want to meet me after I get off work and you can look me in the face and call me that?

Dandlmom..Go sit with the idiots in this arcticle..You are probably one of those mom's who thinks it's ok their kids do drugs....

Seriously..E mail me..We'll get together when I get off work and you can tell me to my face what you think of me...Until then...Keep your fingers off the keyboard....matnicksmom@gmail.com.......Have at me honey!

Wow. It's pretty obvious with the amount of people posting negative comments on here that they are just looking for something to complain about. I'm sure that most of them will end up going out to the bar this weekend, get totally trashed and who knows, maybe kill some 17 year old kid on his bike, all the while laughing about the "idiot potheads." Tell me, what is your problem with marijuana? Why is it ok for kids to be alcoholics at 16 but as soon as they pick up the herb they are chastised? People don't realize that the only real reason that marijuana isn't legal is because the corporations don't want it to be, and when it comes down to it, that's who runs the country. YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF SHEEP!!! Why don't you go sit down in front of the tube, snort some socially acceptable Vicodin and suck in what society wants you to hear.

I got everyone to think, to speak up and be heard. Truth can only be found through social and civil debate. We have NEVER betrayed the trust given to us by Rev. Whitting. His church is his home, not ours, and we would never intentionally disrespect his home and place of worship. I think he is a great man. He allows a small group of us to come together and use our voice in an open discussion twice a month. He upholds the values of religious freedom, freedom of speech and freedom of peacable assembly. These freedoms are an affirmation of our pursuit of happiness. The Temple shares community concerns about diversion and work very hard to prevent such activity. We voluntarily report to city and state agencies in an effort to keep the community aware of what we are doing.

Baaa Baaaa. Ive got no issue with potheads or alchies. I have a problem with people hiding behind religion so they can toke up. Ive also got a problem with pot smoking cry-babies that live in their parents basement and hang Ricky Williams posters over their beds. Oh and where does it say it's ok for 16 year olds to be alchoholics? Are you serious with that trash? Are you stoned? If you want to smoke then smoke but leave God out of it.

And exactly which corporation wants it to be illegal? And who's kid is it that we're allright with being an alcoholic? Funny thing is, if pot WERE legal, and it was taxed like cigarettes, we could eliminate the national deficit in under 2 years....and I still wouldn't vote to legalize it.

Something to complain about....No...It's a mojarity of people in society who feel the legalization of substances that are proven to imapair your cognition should remail illegal...It was classified as an illegal substance for a reason...Simple as that.

Lies can found in social and civil debate as well. For a group that jumps through all the hoops to practice with in their rights I wonder why the use of illegal drugs is in place. What are you going to do when more people want to join? Right now its small but im sure you would hope to expand and spread the message? What are you going to do when you get sued because a member of your church failed a drug test and got fired?

That's the risk of persecution we face everyday Mr. Rouge. It's a fact of life and we do our best to be good students and hard workers. The stereotype of the stoner or pothead only perpetuates the mentalities that slow the growth of our Nation. The fact is that it's more likely that I'd get shot by some temple protester than to have one of our temple members place anyone else in danger, especially children. We are a peaceful people. And if we are given our due equel protection under the law, then a urine test with a positive result for cannabis, wouldn't get anyone fired. It is abundantly clear that you are hostile towards the very notion of our continued exsistence.

TempleGreen-----Of course you think Rev. Whitting is a great man!! He allows you and the other followers to come to his home and smoke your little hearts out! I guess that's what is called Real hospitality! And when he tells you to drink the kool-aid, make sure you drink it all. Wouldn't want to dis-please the Master! And the city and state agencies allow this? This state is the dregs of society if this is right! As I keep repeating, smoke yourselves to death, but quit being hypocrits and doing it in the name of God!

TempleGreen, of course "your a peaceful people". Your all stoned right out of your minds. How could you be anything but peaceful?

ok positive tests will get you fired but that will just lead to some sort of lawsuit saying your religious rights were violated. If a bunch of boozers started a group like this one and drank whiskey as sacramant I would have some issues too. And for the record i am not against pot smokers and the herb. I am not part of the industry. I have friends that have smoked everyday for a decade and they lead productive lives and I understand they have lives outside of smoking pot. I assume this is the way you are but unless youare in Jamaica and are Rastafarian this isnt going to float.

TempleGreen----- Are you telling me that a positive urine test won't get you fired? Do you all work at EMMC/ You can bet your ass that I will check into this one! If this is true, then bigger doors better be built at St. Joe's because a lot of people will never take a chance of having some stoner work on them! Do all of the followers of this so-called Reverand have the same mentality as yours?

I'll wager they're "Deadheads" as well.

Louise - let me tell you that this should NOT be a representation of ANYONE working at EMMC. I work at EMMC, so I do have a firsthand look at the consequences of pot. Those who say that pot is not deadly, come hang out with me for one weekend at work. Rev Lee Witting will be approached Monday, and I will be the first in line at our CEO's office to let her in on what is going on. Temple...you just f**cked with the wrong bull. Like I said, this is NOT an accurate representation of the hard working people at EMMC. This is also why I am so dead against pot, and anyone who uses God to play it off like it's the God given right.

Yeah, I hear you Rogue. It seems to me that this whole thing has been an attack on people who smoke because they are either deemed "losers" or breakers of the law. The way I look at it laws aren't always in our best interest. Many people blindly follow the rules simply because they are there. Maybe they are afraid of the repercussions involved with getting caught, I'm sure there aren't many who haven't broken one or two. What drives me nuts about the whole thing is how television has gotten to the point where it seems every third commercial is a prescription drug ad and here we are arguing about a drug whose side effects are nothing more than a slight loss of short term memory and the munchies. People need to wake up and realize that we are willingly medicating ourselves at the bidding of the government. Who is the real enemy here?

Hey Plastic...have you ever hung out at any hospital ER on any given weekend? let alone, work the ER? The side effects are far more deadly than you seem to think. Good luck gettin baked. Burn your brain cells in the name of Christ.

Wasting my energy...

TempleGreen, when the CLU won the case for home religious gatherings, did that include the use of drugs? If not, then that dosen't apply here. Young people leave this state as soon as they can because there is absolutely nothing here for them. No jobs and nothing else but to sit around and drink or smoke. And now a bunch of Believers are telling them that this is ok? You are making a mockery of religion by saying that you are promoting Cannibus for Jesus!! You can't just come out and admit that you smoke it because you like it? This is the worst hypocritical garbage I have ever heard in my life!

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

WOW- talk about hypocritical, judgemental, self-righteous "religious" people. Being brought up Christian, I would wager that most of the critics posting to this site are also "Christians" (if only in name) but the time will come when they shall meet their Lord and He will say "I do not know thee". Unfortunately most of today's so-called Christians are the Pharisees and Saducees of today. The vitriol that they have spewed over this group using cannabis as a sacrement has once again proven that it is walking the walk of a true religious life that truly counts.

Well, if nothing else this new "Religion"

ought to do wonders for the Pizza Industry!

OldBangor

i am what was I saying can,t hey man have you seen Dave

I would really be concerned about inhaling all of that negative energy in the second hand smoke.

And slandering one's neighbors and claiming that their religious way are wrong or not valid because they are not your religious ways is not only hypocritical, judgemental, anti-Christian, anti-American, and anti-Constitutional it is just downright repugnant. You should be ashamed of yourself for casting stones at these people and hoping for their incarceration simply because of a newspaper article about their desire to be protected from a ruined life for using canabis in their life in a way that they feel is spiritual. What gives you the right to judge? I wish this newspaper would do an article piece on each one of your personal lives so that everyone could write in and say how disgusting you are, and how you should have your life ruined because they don't agree with your choices. But enough of the general critique... lets get specific. Why are the members of this Church right and the opponents wrong? There are so many reasons it is hard to know where to start. Religious freedom, personal freedom, discrimination, medical rights, and economics all play into this topic so it is a bit cavalier and irresponsible to say that these people are just hippies and deserved to be locked up because they are breaking the law.

First of all, Maine is a medical marijuana state, so canabis is legal under specific state law while still illegal under federal law (although the federal law is actually unconstitutional due to the 10 ammendment- The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.The governmental powers not listed in the Constitution for the national government are powers that the states, or the people of those states, can have. Examples: The states determine the rules for marriages, divorces, driving licenses, voting, state taxes, job and school requirements, rules for police and fire departments, and many more). Therefore the defense that it is illegal comes into question.

It is true that alcohol causes problems in society, should we ban it? Should we give another try to prohibition? The way you answer this question essential sums up where you stand on the marijuana laws. If you feel that we should prohibit alcohol because people are too stupid or irresponsible to make decisions for themselves than you will probably agree the same holds true for marijuana (you may also be a communist or a fascist, but should not consider yourself to be democratic or a patriot). If you feel that prohibition only led to the black market, non-regulation, and infringed on personal freedom than you should agree the same holds true for canabis since it has been shown on every front to be safer than alcohol.

In any event, whether you agree or disagree with these individual's choices as Americans and as "religious" people you should at least be tolerant of their decisions as long as they do not cause you personal harm. The fact that they could get behind the wheel of a car does not withstand. Driving while under the influence is the crime but that could also be done under legal, prescribed and even over-the-counter medications. Should we outlaw them too? Maybe we should also ban steak knives, since they could be used to stab people, or swimming pools since children could drown in them.

biggest bunch of BULL CRAP i ever heard of. an excuse to smoke the weed. Calling it a religion, bull.

This cult pleads to the stupid and lost souls of the world only! It seems they are willing to get mariquana passed at any expense, even in the name of the Lord! What a perverse breed of people they must be. If they can't be honest and forthright in their push for leaner mariquana laws, and begin to come up with fanaticismal notions, let us pray they see the light !

where did templegreen ever mention G? i didnt see it in any of his posts. Or is his god the weed?

where did templegreen ever mention G? i didnt see it in any of his posts. Or is his god the weed?

Hello , Bangor Police ummm, the Bangor Daily is reporting a crime isnt it??? Maybe you should check into it ???SHOULDNT YOU?

most of you people are so freakin judgmental its ridiculous. i just don't even know where to begin. i must admit i had a kinda good laugh reading this article, asking myself "is this serious?". i realized it was, and what's the big deal? lots of people preach their religions and how is this any different? because they smoke pot? or because they call the herb a sacrament? how is that any different than eating and drinking of christ? maybe its because im so NOT religious that i think you are all making a big deal outta nothing. so what if they want to believe this? let them. like lovethyneighbor posted, i'd like to see an article about you and your lives so you can then be subjected to the harsh comments and snide remarks from those of us who don't agree with some choice you made or something you choose to hold true. its ludicrious. plasticmessiah, kudos for your posts, its just a flock of freakin sheep in here. i should start knitting myself a sweater from all the freakin wool flying around. marijuana, cannibas, pot, weed, whatever you wanna call it has been around forever. how many of you actually believe that in your faith, whatever that may be--christian, catholic, jewish, or whatever--that pot has never been used either medicinally or spiritually in the practice of that faith at any point in time since its inception? people way back when were smoking pot and giving thanks to the gods. the people getting upset about this church using gods name to smoke pot need to remember that ALL religions have gone WAY off track since they were concieved. i don't know. its funny to me how the word 'pot' can freak some people out so much. get em all roarin mad, ready to take a stand. and these people who keep commenting about them getting into a car and leaving the gatherings, you people do go out every night and stake out the local bars near you, right? i mean, bars are open seven days a week, all day long. to be that worried about a person taking a couple puffs off a bowl and driving home a few hours later, you must never get any sleep knowing that people that have been out drinking all day or night are gettin in their cars and going home. working in a bar in downeast maine for years, i know there are tons of people who drink and drive. i also know that taxis are not a common thing in most towns, and bars are usually far away from houses. lots of driving goin on. but whatever, nothing is going to ever change because the majority of the people will still believe what they have been brought up to believe, never feeling the need to seek any other reason or explanation. so have at me. i already know what to expect in response to this post, and quite honestly i can't wait to laugh.

I dont do drugs hardworkingmom! I think these people are stupid! Do you teach your kiddos to fist fight just because someone disagree's with you??

once again the "mass population" or as i call " sheeple" are attacking the what i call "god given rights". who is anyone to tell you or anyone else what beliefs you are allowed to believe in or follow. i am really sick of hearing all the other " churchgoing" religions. (to many to name ) going on about what "god" told them. i'm sorry....but NO ONE...on this earth today knows what "god" said or wrote quote unquote. nothing but interpretations strewn about and believed by many. the truths of the world are so diluted its sickening. yet all you folllowers or should i say sheeple again, are to damn afraid of any change in your own world. just sit back and whine about it and have someone else (cops,dea,fbi) do something about it. get off your asses lazy americans and stand up for what you believe in!

You do know what they say about women who smoke don't you?

I have no personal experience with smoking dope, howvever, I do work with people who openly admit that they do.....they come to work some mornings in a really DUH mentality. Drooney, sort of stunted, not really there. Spaced out would be the word that I would use.........simpley there in the presence but not really there at all..if you get what I mean. I wish my employer did random drug testing, they would cull the dead wood out and hopefullly reaplace them with clear headed employees. Employees who want to work and a decent days job...not DUH their way through the day. They are dead wood abd need to go....in my employement circle, they contribute nothing but yawyning and .........just wanting to go homr.

I have no personal experience with smoking dope, howvever, I do work with people who openly admit that they do.....they come to work some mornings in a really DUH mentality. Drooney, sort of stunted, not really there. Spaced out would be the word that I would use.........simpley there in the presence but not really there at all..if you get what I mean. I wish my employer did random drug testing, they would cull the dead wood out and hopefullly reaplace them with clear headed employees. Employees who want to work and a decent days job...not DUH their way through the day. They are dead wood abd need to go....in my employement circle, they contribute nothing but yawyning and .........just wanting to go homr.

i kinda laugh when i see people bitching about this religious group and there apparant opposition to marijuana and god in the same sentence. yet these are the people that follow some version or variation of the bible that makes numerous references to the use of marijuana in a spiritual way ( example: hemp oil) . then they follow to complain they are hiding behind religion to smoke pot......soooo....ok...from what i've read and seen...many a hundred churches have hidden money launderers, and pedophiles, but i'm not out bashing them. so what makes all these people so more superior?? nobody should have the power to control what you believe in. what the real problem in this world is now is....people have lost who they are and are only what they are told to be.

Perhaps a bit more sacrament and exhale more of that negative energy and they'll get that spiritual circle "even". Just my 2 cents.

Steveydee, what do they say??

Any one got some Dorito's?

High Priest. I get it. lol

Ahhhh, Katofbangor, you must work at Microdyne!

dandlmom.......Disagree with me...Last I read you and I were for once on the same thought process....That these people are idiots! You for no reason called me an idiot! Do you teach your children to jump the gun and call others names? Read my posts..Like I said..For the first time I thought you and I were on the same page!

What I said was...Next thing you know they will try to make cocaine legal for weight loss in the obese! People make excuses to make illegal substances legal...It's a bunch of crap!

You jump the gun and call me an idiot for believing the same as yourself...Kind of hard to grasp but ok...

Furthermore Dandlmom..Never challenged you to a fight hahahaha! I'm a 1/2 pint..No interests in fist fighting anyone..Too funny...90% of us on here have the same thought process and opinion..For some reason I am the only idiot..Ouch..I'm hurt...

I am a firm believer in the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes. It does have a positive impact for people who are chronically ill and that is a fact - cancer, AIDES, MS, FMS - so many illnesses the people do find help in feeling better with marijuana. It is a natural herb that has been used for thousands of years. American Indians have used it for medicinal purposes as well, but neither this group or any other can compare their spiritual beliefs to the beliefs of American Indian nations. We DO NOT smoke marijuana in our prayer pipes. We use tobacco, which is considered a Sacred herb. One other nation uses peyote for spiritual ceremonies and some are battling the government for exceptions for their religious use. So, please let's not give the impression that American Indians use marijuana in our sacred pipes.

However, if it is helpful to someone who is ill, what is wrong with using it? It is not changed in any way - the plant that is. It grows naturally all over the world. It's actually considered a weed, but so isn't a dandelion, but that too, has medicinal properties as well as can be used as an additive in foods, like salad for an example.

However, if this group is doing what they claim, providing community service, coming together to pray - even if it's not to our liking or what we consider as a religious group, what are they doing wrong? Marijuana should not be in the class it is anyhow. It's ridiculous and in Maine, if one can find a doctor who is willing to risk it, you can obtain a medical paper saying you are ill and that your doctor agrees that marijuana is beneficial to your health - but you can't blame doctors for not wanting to risk their license because of some bored DNA agent or cop.

If you are worried about your kids - worry about the serious dangerous drugs they are taking - the prescription drugs in your home for one thing - the booze in your refrigerator for another. Alcohol is a huge problem in main and the major cause of domestic violence in homes, as well as the major cause of serious auto accidents as well. How many times has someone been arrested for drunk driving - how many have killed someone and nearly walked? Your children are using your prescription drugs, drinking the booze they see all around them and in their homes, and are also using dangerous drugs that are made in labs using every day substances like meth - which is so dangerous! Your next door neighbor could have a meth lab in your house, that if it explodes would blow up the block. Those are the things parents, schools and law enforcement should really worry about, rather than marijuana and cigarettes.

Now, places like Vesta Housing are forcing residents into giving up their legal right to smoke in their own home. They've been living in the same place for years, and now they come along and are scaring old people into signing an amended lease they they cannot smoke in their own home, when they've been smoking for years. Cigarettes are not illegal. Now private industry is telling people how to live and threatening them with the loss of their home if they don't stop smoking. I've been smoking for over 45 years - I know it's not good for me - but I have the right and before someone says I'm endangering their health - that's all a smoke screen to hide the most dangerous threats to us - the ones we can't see that we breath in every day - the pollution in the air from factories, autos - and all sorts of things. They want people's attention on cigarettes to keep your minds off the most dangerous threats to your health. Anyone that believes what the government tells us is foolish. They use to hand out cigarettes to servicemen with their rations, now they are telling old soldiers they can't smoke at the VA anymore. Hypocrites - big time!

So, before you start making the same mistake too many people make - and paint someone who smoke marijuana as some half-crazed looney like that film from the 1930's did, it's not that way at all. In fact, people do become more relaxed, and happy - not drunk nasty and violent. NO ONE should drive any vehicle that is under the influence of any drug - including prescription drugs. Look at your medicine bottles and read what it says - nearly every one of them warns you against driving or using heavy dangerous equipment and we all know, that we take the medication and go to work - we drive, we use heavy equipment, etc. - so think of that first, before one is so quick to point fingers in another direction.

They are a little off the wall for me too - but if they are not hurting anyone, if they doing good things in the community and if they are praying to God - that is a lot better than what a lot of other people are doing. Open your minds and think of things in another way than just the fallacies we've all been fed. Try to find a study that proves any of the allegations about marijuana that have been done over the last 30-40 years and they cannot prove any of the allegations they have made about it. Like anything else, is it not good for all people to use. Some people should never use it, because it increases anxiety in some people. And again, I emphasize - no one should be driving under the influence of anything! If you get in an accident and they find out you're taking medication, you'll be charged with driving under the influence of prescription medications and your neighbors and church friends will never believe you were taking that medication for your health. The first thing they'll think is you are a druggie.

Eveningrain..You may very well be right as far as what everyone else could be doing, you are right there are worse things than marijuana, very correct with prescription drugs impairing your judgment..But...As a parent you cannot downsize drugs of any form! This is 1008..Kids are having "pharm" parties these days...Back in the day it was the worst thing ever for a teen to smoke marujuana, now it seems less trivial for there are more things to worry about..But like I said, a parent cannot downsize one drug because another is worse.

Maybe I prefer to teach my children that drugs of all forms are not ok. I can't prevent my children from wrong doing, I can only do my best to teach them what is wrong, why it is so and pray they listen to my words...

I personally do not feel the need to "open my mind" to see things in their way..It's ridiculous and pathetic.

And again I as an innocent driver with children in my vehicle prefer to not have dumb asses smoking weed all droned out behind the wheel of their car after leaving Mr Refer Pastor mans' house one evening...Thanks so much...

Patients recieve marijuana for their illness..Like I said a zillion comments above..They are given pill form of the drug in wich is a schedule III..It is used for not only pain managment but to treat patients with AIDS, Anorexia, and even the elderly who desperatly need an appetite stimulant...Therefore..It is legalized for those patients in PILL form by PRESCRIPTION!

Dammi

Geesh!! Who ate all the cupcakes?? And whoever pocketed my Bic lighter better give it back!

Can anyone say sociopath?? I'm pretty sure that his report has helped him / them achieve what they were looking for...and everyone here has fallen for it...

If these guys want to smoke a little grass and talk about God and principles of faith let them. I am quite sure that many of the people that have posted have done the very same thing.

Louise you really are getting all over this one. But I have to agree with everything that you wrote. It is just an excuse to smoke dope.

the water is for the cotton mouth, right? i guess i can't really blame them, i miss the fun times i had in college too. my experiences with "the sacrament," lked to a dry tongue and an odd craving for annie's mac and cheese. this cracks me up!

This is absolutely absurd!!! Cherry, I have a disabled friend in a wheel chair. He is in pain every day, but has a job and does not smoke pot! Get a life! Temple Green, if there are so many places that are better than Maine, why don't you pick up your sorry a** and all your loser friends and move to one of those places? I know many people who smoke pot, and though many have jobs, none are too ambitious.

I wonder what they say to the kid's when it's time for another prayer meeting? Kids, time to go to your rooms now, mommy and daddy will break you in on this one when you turn 18.

In reality, I think people are using this as an excuse to be intolerant. The Native American Church uses peyote, legally, in all 50 states. This is also a schedual 1 narcotic. The United States has a vested interest in preserving Native American cultures and philosophies. I understand that we seem like a threat. We are hoping people will come to the Open discussions at the Union Street Brick Church. It's an open forum for public opinions. This upcoming meeting will be our 9th public meeting. Anyone is invited to attend and voice their concerns.

In 35 years of a War on Drugs, we have seen little in the way of progress. Drugs are just as available now as they were then. Just check any local school or prison. This is an honest effort to reduce the amount of hard drugs used within our state. We can provide new tools and new perspectives in the War on Drugs. We won't change anything by simply ignoring it. Or by clinging to failed zero-tolerance idealogies. We are losing the war on drugs as a society becuase of the way we treat addicts in general. These people are sick. Addiction is a disease. We would never scream at a cancer patient to "Get off my grass", so why do we do it to addicts?

Harm reduction works. It is a measurable success in the war on drugs. Decreasing the consumption of harder drugs while at the same time instilling faith, responsibility and promoting community involvment on every level. This will lead to a decrease in crime and an return to good old fashioned family values. Increasing community involvment leads to a feeling of social acceptance and an increase in local services available to those less fornunate.

We understand that people are afraid of change. To some, this must feel as though the sky is falling. But a 35 year old religious use exemption for peyote has proven two things. One, that a religious use exemption CAN be made without the sky falling ror society crumbling into chaos. And two the spiritual restrictions on peyote, the teachings of the NAC and their members have worked hard for 35 years to actively spirituality, not drug use. Peyote isn't a widespread problem. Can this really be becuase people just don't like peyote, or becuase it's spiritual use is taken seriously, with efforts made to prevent diversion to non church members.

Now I don't find a single blip of spirituality in peyote. Would I deny them their rights? Absolutely not! Their right to religious freedom is taken very seriously by the federal government.

I also do not condone the use of the word "Cult". It has negative connotations attached to it, that hurt us. So does perpetuating the stereotypes of the "Stoner" or the "Pothead". These words are simply used as a religious discrimination by poeple too afraid to find out the truth for themselves. Intolerance kills people. Intolerance hurts our children. Intoleracne perpetuates the cycles of violence and abuse that plaque our great State.

These days, we need new tools before we lose our children to cocaine and crack or worst of all methadone (Also legal).

We have way bigger issues than the sacrament of a local Temple. The real war is not on Drug Use, but on Drug Abuse, we lost the War on Drugs a long time ago. 35 years of "Warfare" would be unacceptable in any other realm of the imagination. We don't shoot clerics and medics in the battlefield, they are there to reduce the amount of damage done by all sides of the war.

There is nothing wrong with being open and honest. We asked the Bangor Daily to come into our Temple, knowing full well the intolerance we face every day. But If I had to face giving up my beliefs or going to jail for eternity, I would choose jail willingly a hundred times. I've seen first hand the benefits that we contribute to our community and society. I've seen the ravaged faces of addicts who plead and beg to change their lives with nowhere to turn and no faith. I can never turn away now that I know the truth.

Most of the Temple members are Students with GPA above 3.4, they work everyday with children, animals and the elderly and they are highly respected and accomplished people. They break every stereotype you know about "Stoners". They are responsible, compassionate and well educated. They go out of their way, every day, to make our world just a little better for someone else.

So to all those who feel this is "Just an excuse" to smoke dope. Listen, seriosuly, I don't need an excuse to have my own beliefs. If this were about me or just smoking pot, then I would just sit at home and smoke pot. But this isn't about me, it's about creating positive change and creative solutions to very complicated problems in our society. I love my community and my State. I would die for my country. Freedom isn't free, we must work hard and make sacrifices. But that doesn't mean we all should fight and argue.

BDN shame on you for reporting drug use. And this is all it is, when you smoke pot, drink etc...of course you feel at peace cause it shuts your mind down. If your truly believer you don't need pot to find him.lol!!!! MDEA go get them please......don't let them hide behind religion...they are just POT HEAD, plan and simple...the things we do in the name of God or in there case MOTHER EARTH....And good question how long before they drive after these services...and templegreen this isn't change this has been going on for years your just using your religion for an excuse and you said you would go to jail willingly then to give up your beliefs...no you wouldn't...there's NO POT in jail. Who do you think your fooling? And who are these students who work with children etc...I wouldn't want them working with me let alone children. Your blowing smoke out your ass.....literally

At first I also thought "shame on you BDN", but after some reflection Ms. Harrison just presented what she saw - like a journalist should. If this was a case of the Temple covering something up then Ms. Harrison would, I suspect, become more of an investigative journalist. If it was an editorial piece she would have presented the different ethical, moral, social viewpoints. I think this church is bullcrap, but I very much appreciate it being presented factually and being let to decide on my own. Nice work Judy.

my gosh, do some of you people spend all day on these threads?!? I dont know how you people get anything done!!

Such a dead and nothing religion as the above is because the so called mother earth gives no one anything. Its the God who created the earth and all that is in it, is the who should be worshiped. All grass does is mess up ones mind even more as there is no such thing as enlightening one's mind concerning God unless they go to God's word only, not religion of any kind.

Romans 8:5-8 (KJV)

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Also its a shame the young man is referred to as Rev. Garrett Wozneak. When any man puts Reverend before his name or when a person refers to another person as Reverend they are using God's name in vain. The word reverend is only found once in the entire bible and the definition in Hebrew, means terrible and to be afraid of. I have noticed all ignorant and or false teachers of God use God's name before their own to steal's God's respect for themselves. The word holy means to set apart. And since God's name reverend is holy, God has set apart for His use only. God said so.

9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.

Psalms 111:9 (KJV)

to all u christians out there who are putting down these peoples beliefs have u read ur bible check out genisis for one every thing that reseeds itself is good also when christ was crusified and taken down from the cross they wrapped in hemp cloth so if it was good enough for our lord why not for man, to give him thanks for his creation.... and as for George Bush there is not a thing christian about the man. the lord said love thy neighbor as thy self not go blow the crap out of them,... the lord also said turn the other cheek when smited... here you have people trying to express there religious views., though not all may agree with them, it is their right given to them by god... it is not for I to condemn them so why dont you all just try to be tolerant i know it is something very lacking in this FREE country of ours..... seems like INTOLERANCE is all anyone knows anymore

I actually know waaaay more "Pot-Heads" with jobs than without. How do you expect them to pay for their pot. The people who are all droned out at work need to learn some responsibility. Smoking is something best done when you get home from work. Sit down, relax, smoke one, shower, eat dinner, maybe smoke another, go to bed. You people need to realize that smoking is more like drinking than you would like to believe. Some people have a beer or two after work. Some people become alcoholics and don't go back to work. Pot doesn't make people bad people. IRRESPONSIBILITY is what does. Now, since it is my DAY OFF I'm going to go smoke one with my friends, do some dishes, cook dinner probably smoke another and go to bed. No driving involved no bothering any of you intolerant asses, but I'm sure a bunch of you will be all pissed off anyway. LEGALIZE MARIJUANA, maybe then some of my hard-earned American money can stay in Maine instead of going to Canada. Peace out cranky non-smokers. Have fun looking for your next fight. I will be waiting in Hell laughing when I see you because your God has no tolerance for people who go through life wishing evil upon those not like them.

Maybe people should be given drug tests when they apply for drivers licenses. Between the drunks ( and the pot heads on their way to church ) on the roads the rest of us should stay home as much as possible. Aren't there any people out there that care what our children grow up to become ?Calling smoking pot a ' religious right ' is a mess of crock.

With any luck the Reverend Loring will celebrate his next communion at the "Temple of the Grey Bar Motel". That green collar should look nice with his orange jump suit. He will have to take bread with his water though.....and with this I have officially cancelled my subscription to the Bangor Daily News.

Bangor Police Dept. ---Can you say RAID and ARREST ? It is still illigal last I heard.

Advanced Enlightenment . Turning a group of young people into pot heads is more like it.

Good for them. All of the readers who posted negative comments about marijuana here should do a little self-reflecting. Keep in mind that Mainer's suck down more Allen's than any other people in the world. If pot is illegal, it seems to me that junk should be too.

What makers it insult as well as injury is the fact that more than likely these dirtbags are all on welfare, thus we (the taxpayers) are paying for this. Too bad it is illegal to snuff people. THESE CLOWNS DO NOT DESERVE TO BE ALIVE.

Bangorian, although you have a point, it is a legal issue. Those who choose to drink are not breaking the law, unless they drive after consuming or commit other illegal acts. We are a nation of laws not of men and women. As such we have a responsibility to adhere to that principle. Attempting to disguise illegal activity in the name of religion is a joke. What if someone started whacking all of these folks under the guise that killing people we do not like is a religious belief!

MoeBolduc, "too bad it is illegal to snuff people"? What the hell? Next time try posting sober.

If Uncle Sam could tax it then it would be legal.

Well duh! They should make it legal so it can be taxed! It's like Chris Rock says, "only white people are allowed to make a profit off of controlled substances."

Working for a living is for sissies. Real men lay about and smoke dope until the welfare runs out (that ain't happenin'). My EBT card, baby momma, public housing, and a couch is all I need. Thank you for your support! Ain't America great! Religous is what it is, and I deserve it from you working punks. thanx.

Samuel, nobody believes you have a job.

It's funny to hear people commenting that their "sacrament" is not legit. But eating the body and blood of Christ is cool? C'mon, folks, if the unusual sacraments of Christianity are acceptable, why get your skivvies in a bunch over someone smoking a little weed to get in the mood for enlightenment?

Terrible reporting, but what else should we expect from mainstream media. Judy left out the intelligent stuff.

"There must be a better alternative than Methadone for our people. It makes me cry when I see such bright people reduced to little more than zombies living only for the next dose. I have witnessed it's ravages upon our youth, Methadone does more harm than good." Rev. Loring

Our mission is to aid those who request our help in mentoring them in how to live a drug abuse free life. Through prayer and dedication we can help save lives that have been uprooted by the ravages of drug abuse. Most of these souls feel let down by society and tend to fall through the cracks, living in a hell of their own creation. Many of them simply need an open ear that won't judge or persecute them. Some simply lack direction or structure and most simply want to be recognized and encouraged as unique individuals.

Methadone cannot be the answer, it is wholly unacceptable. Who is going to treat all the methadone addicts and how for long? Is methadone any less harmful than the drugs it is meant to replace? We've heard some claims of methadone program participation lasting years, what kind of treatment is that? Is it replacing the drugs the addict was abusing or is it just adding to the problem? It is creating a market for methadone on our streets and elevating the level of crime. If narcotic replacement therapy is an approved form of medicinal use, would some or all of these patients be better served by a significantly less harmful drug? Cannabis can treat many of the symptoms associated with withdrawal, aid sleep and appetite, calm nausea and relax a patient. Different genetic strains may also prove to be more effective than others.

The problem exists mainly because drug abuse is a multifaceted problem that cannot be treated by counseling or prescriptions alone. Truly defeating drug abuse requires the addict to completely change their friends, habits, environment and to isolate themselves unintentionally. The most severe cravings for most hard drug users are usually outside the normal hours of operation for councilors and clinics. This leaves the poor soul, who is trying to fix their life, with nowhere to turn but the friends and environments where they are most comfortable and feel safe. Since many of the friends associated with the patient are also drug abusers, they can sometimes be disastrous towards abuse recovery.

How does mindset affect addiction? Often, motivational speakers talk of mindset and how powerful it can be in changing your life. By changing the way we perceive problems in the world, we also change the way we react to problems. We believe there are no problems, only opportunities for creative solutions and self improvement. It's one thing to tell someone to not abuse drugs, it's another thing altogether to teach them how to live again and walk on their own without the crutches of abuse to guide them when they stumble.

Often addicts are lacking in spiritual guidance. If they could be shown there is a better way, a spiritual way. But that way had responsibilities and discipline. What if we could change the criminal mindset, so dedicated and so crafty, into a positive force that could change the quality of life for all those around them. Dedicated volunteers, teachers and street leaders, working together to affect real change, where it matters. Communities reunited, families healed and the lost children are found.

We teach people to recognize the differences between responsible spiritual and medicinal use and the irresponsible misuse and abuse that will inevitably ruin lives, families and communities. Understanding and recognizing the limitations and expectations of drugs, society and life, are crucial to developing the sense of responsibility necessary to building the foundation of a drug abuse free lifestyle.

We want to help those who truly want to help themselves. We will walk with you every step of the way, carry you if we must. We are your friends, you are not alone. There are no problems, only chances for you to prove you can become better than you are. A person's strength of character is defined by the scars they have won. We do not drag responsibility like a heavy bag of burden, we wear it like a crown, for we are proud and strong and want to proclaim to all that we are responsible, positive members of our communities.

Once accepted into the program, this Temple will aid you in finding gainful employment if desired. We teach a variety of programs like how to write a resume, interview preparation skills and money management as part of our life coping skills program."

i know i'm pretty sick of the pillheads, crackheads, heroinheads, methheads, methadoneheads, sloppywasteddrunkheads. atleast these potheads are thinking positive about community and personal responsibility instead of ripping people and their "friends" off to buy/sell/trade/kill for their next fix like a good number of residents in bangor, maine at large. how many deaths from tobacco? booze? fast food? herb? GOOGLE: DEATHS FROM MARIJUANA

Article: Some Proof that Marijuana is a Powerful Medicine http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/proof-that-mari.html

"Marijuana contains an amazing chemical, beta-caryophyllene, and scientists have thoroughly proven that it could be used to treat pain, inflammation, atherosclerosis, and osteoporosis.

Jürg Gertsch, of ETH Zürich, and his collaborators from three other universities learned that the natural molecule can activate a protein called cannabinoid receptor type 2. When that biological button is pushed, it soothes the immune system, increases bone mass, and blocks pain signals -- without causing euphoria or interfering with the central nervous system.

Gertsch and his team published their findings on June 23 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.They focused on the anti-inflammatory properties of the impressive substance -- testing it on immune cells called monocytes and also in mice.

Since beta-caryophyllene seems to be powerful, occurs naturally in many foods, and does not get people high, it could turn out to be a nearly ideal medication. The organic compound is also phenomenally cheap. Sigma Aldrich sells it, in kosher form, for forty-two dollars per kilogram.

Unfortunately, big pharmaceutical companies tend not to seek FDA approval for natural chemicals, and most doctors are reluctant to prescribe drugs that have not received a green light from the regulatory agency. Thus, it would require a heroic effort by academic researchers to prove that beta-caryophyllene is safe and effective in humans.

Perhaps, before that happens, the natural substance will find its way into the herbal medicine aisle of health food stores."

OK... let me start by saying that I do not agree with what these "Temple" members do or stand for at all. That being said, I think its a bit of a stretch to say that they don't deserve to be alive. What is wrong with people? Yes they smoke pot, yes its illegal, yes its incredibly stupid... so is speeding on your way to work, so is getting drunk to cope with life and getting in your car, so are lots of other things that each one of us has probably done in the past week and not thought twice about. We all do stupid things on occasion, so why the viciousness and malice towards these guys? Maybe its easier to unlease your frustrations on online posts than it is to deal with your problems but COME ON PEOPLE. Is this really the way to behave and act towards other human beings? Is this really the way to change behavior in others that you don't agree with... by calling them stupid and telling them they deserve to die? Don't get me wrong... I'm a stone cold conservative (so technically I should be the hate-monger in the room) but it is not OK to treat/talk to other people this way, no matter how stupid they may be acting.

OK, enough of this crap -- Temple Green - keep religion out of my pot use, it's really messing it up. It's okay with me if you want to praise god or whatever, just stop mixing it with pot use, it's giving us genuine pot smokers a bad name. I am sure there are at least 10 ways that pot is better than religion and I'd like to keep it that way. Bringing religion into it is blaphsemy!

My grandfather always said that if I had faith in God that God would take care of me.Looks like he's taking care of someone...FINALLY!!!

And to think,all this time I thought religion was boring!

So long as alcohol and tobacco are legal, so should pot be.

It was made illegal for political reasons, nothing more. If it were banned for truely health based reasons, then so would alcohol and tobacco. Both are more harmful to your body then pot. Some of you people people who are so down on pot have no problem taking synthetic chemicals developed by large corporations, all of which have numerous long term effects on your health.

For you god fearing folk, I ask you this: If all living things on this planet are the creation of "God", then aren't you saying "God" made a mistake by creating cannabis? How is that possible, is he/she not infallable? ...Just wondering, thats all.

And then you come down hard on these people because they dont share your beliefs, well at least that IS in line with what is expected of religious zealots.

"They have different beliefs?!?!?! BURN THEM!!!! HERETIC!!!!!"

They smoke pot for their ceremony, you drink wine.... don't be a hypocrite.

Me, im not religious, but i would rather have a chuch in my neighbor hood who whorships by themselves, then one who constantly tries to shove their fairy tales down my throat.

And as for them not deserving to live, well, i'm not suprised...history shows that religious zealotry has caused more deaths then any other event in human history COMBINED.

The only reason it's illegal is the Government can't tax it. If they made it legal people would grow there own. I don't think people realize how many people actually smoke wacky weed.

They could figure out a way to tax it. Maybe like the internet tax, where they suggest an amount which you happily pay because you don't want the state treasury actually to audit your internet purchases.

Do you really think the tobacco lobby would allow pot to be legalized just so the gov't can collect the tax dollars?

I don't use marijuana as a sacrament. I use it as a release. INBGRNWS4 hooka

SWEEEEEEEEEET!

Calypso, no of course not! The tobacco and alcohol lobbies are ginormous, as in the recent lexicon, "too big to fail." Not to mention the entire industry that emerged from pot being illegal -- police, prisons, attorneys. I'm sure there has been a lot of cost/benefit analysis going on. I guess Stevey is right, if the state could make a buck off of it, it would.

I dunno anne.... this is Maine we're talking about

The State could definately make a buck off it. Commercial production of a good high grade product would be easy to sell & tax. People could grow their own tobacco, but nobody does.

So what's the hold up? Why doesn't Philip Morris just start selling pot? If you smoke it you can still get lung cancer. They should be all for that.

actually anne of mdi there is no scientific evidence that smoking "pot/dope/marijuana" whatever you all want to call it causes lung cancer. There is only evidence that smoking can attribute to it based on the fact that most people who smoke pot also smoke cigarettes. learn your facts.

also, furthermore, there IS evidence to suggest that it does help with anorexia (not the eating disorder but true to form name and meaning of "decreased appetite), chemotherapy side effects, epilepsy, ADD and many other thigns. And yes, there is a pill form called marinol which does provide some of the THC as in smoking but without the full effect. I say if someone wants to smoke for their reasons and they are leaving others alone than what is the difference if someone wants to drink a beer in their own home?

"Made made alcohol, God made pot....who do you trust? Thats to all the Bible thumpers out there. Have a good day!

type --Man made lol

mainah_mom, a quick googling reveals you are correct. That's the best news I've heard all day. Thank you! For anyone with an interest: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html

thank you anne!

God made Hemlock and Arsenic too...

Yes, if people actually READ their bible and studied it, then they would realize that it does reference hemp. That's why I no longer follow an organized religion or believe in "god", because I read the bible and found it to be a chauvanistic and fantastical view of some men from hundred to thousands of years ago. Also, very well known people in our past and society smoked cannabis, most notably George Washington who farmed it. Hemp was also used in our past wars for industrious purposes. Go here http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj005.htm and see a timeline and other resources about marijuana. This timeline was done by PBS. I think that it is very good that articles like this provide a grounds for debate and opinion, but I find it disgusting that all those on here are saying that they're christian, yet are vulgarly and meanly thrashing the people who are part of this church or who support it. They are being peaceful and you are being violent. AND if thousands of wars can be fought in your god's name, then why can't they smoke marijuana in his name as well? All I say is, yes you may believe in something, but you should RESEARCH a religion before becoming entangled in it's rules and restrictions so that you can actually LIVE your life and fully appreciate people for who they are, not by what religion or god they worship. And don't go around demeaning people who don't worship as you do, as if you OWN the religious rights to god.

O.k. Rev. Loring, this may help solve all the problems with you're next metting, just try passing around the marlboro's, for the sacrament, with a clearer frame of mind all of you may see the light."AMEN'.

sed1980 Because it is illegal!!! So we let them do this 1 illegal thing.. the next new wave of worship could be pedophila... where does it end if we don't set boundaries?

I was under the impression that this was America, even if it is ‘just’ Bangor, ME...

Is this what we have become? A nation of intolerant, pre-judgmental people that jump to conclusions and form opinions before they have all the facts or have done ANY investigating of their own? Is this why America has been so easily led, influenced, and controlled by government, media, and those with the power to influence merely by putting something in print? 'It's in the paper, it must be true.'??? To just read this article one might assume that if the Union Street Brick Church is allowing the Temple of Advanced Enlightenment to hold it's meetings under its roof, then it must be advocating its practices. Some may even be under the impression then that the USBC must be condoning or perhaps actually be allowing illegal activity on the premises...this could not be further from the truth. And if you think it is or actually believe it, not only have you obviously never been to the USBC, but you are allowing yourself to be manipulated by the very influences that this great nation has worked so hard to oppose for over 200 years. You are judging and casting stones, but how is the view from your glass house?

First off, let me assure everyone...the Union Street Brick Church has "sold out" to no one.

If anything, the USBC is continuing it's tradition of acceptance of ALL people and their ideas as long as they are not violent, hateful, or attempting to infringe on the rights or freedoms of others.

My name is Flash and the views and opinions expressed in this comment are mine. Pastor Lee Witting is not just a good friend of mine, he is one of the kindest, sincerest, most open, understanding, loving, accepting, and tolerant men I've ever met; and anyone who's ever had the pleasure of meeting him can attest to the same. There are not many people that have done as much for the community. Lee not only owns the USBC, he is also a Chaplain at EMMC and deals with medical, emotional, and traumatic family situations that no one should ever have to experience, but he does it with a kindness and compassion second to none. Lee has lived in this community since 1970 and has been a big part of it's growth, creativity, and expression of everyone's constitutional rights for over 40 years. He is a DJ on WERU fm community radio, and among other things, has been a newspaper editor in Castine, a Realtor, and is now a Pastor, having studied at the Bangor Seminary where he is presently studying for his masters degree.

10 years ago on the corner of Union and Main Street, a run down, but extremely beautiful brick church with a long running tradition here in Bangor was vacant, being sold, and needed care. Years ago, this brick church was an intricate and important corner stone of this community. It has seen the likes of such notable figures as Henry David Thoreau, Hannibal Hamlin, and Ralph Waldo Emerson. It boasts the tallest steeple in all of Maine and has been a non-denominational church and open to all people long before that concept was considered 'acceptable' to 'mainstream' society. In other words, it has been a beacon for human rights and freedoms for over 150 years and has continued to stand up for them no matter what the adversity, criticism, or pressure has been to 'conform'. Now isn't that what America is all about? 10 years ago Lee Witting saw something in this beautiful brick church, purchased it, has been restoring it since, and has continued the traditions of his predecessors by providing a place for all people to gather in spirituality, love, peace, creativity, cooperation, and ‘positivity’ no matter where you come from, or what you believe. Even if Lee doesn't necessarily agree with the content of whatever message is being presented, he believes you should have the right to express it and provides a venue for ALL to be able to do so in harmony. The USBC is available for rental and plays host to many diverse groups, events, and functions. This does not mean that the USBC necessarily promotes, condones, or advocates the views of those who organize or frequent these functions.

As always, the doors to the USBC are open to all. If you as a concerned, intelligent, informed citizen would like to know more about what the church is all about and the functions that take place within, then by all means come on in and check it out.

In closing, I'd also like to include a statement from Pastor Lee Witting:

"For nearly ten years the Union Street Brick Church has served as a community center for the downtown Bangor area, providing meeting and performance space for literally hundreds of events. Those diverse activities include Thursday Open Mic nights, where people of all ages get together to sing, read original poetry, or do standup comedy. Our annual Passion Plays are locally written, directed and acted, as are our performance of Bible tales, such as the story of King David, contemporary plays such as our homage to Corrie Ten Boom, the Christian whose family went to the concentration camps for sheltering Dutch Jews, and the Cabaret of two locally written one-acts, which is opening this weekend. We offer weddings and receptions for inter- or non-denominational couples in search of a church wedding. We offer a venue for dinners, dance and concert performances, fund-raisers for other churches (such as the annual All Souls yard sale), international PICA conferences, a temporary home for other denominations in need of space, and a meeting place for classes from Bangor Theological Seminary. We are also a location for Bangor’s New Year’s celebration, and that’s only scratching the surface of the part we play in the Bangor community – for which we were honored with a full page article in the Christian Science Monitor. And all of this takes place above and beyond this historic church’s primary function as a worship space for our small Congregational Society.

Now much of that work has been placed in jeopardy by a confusing and badly structured article in the Bangor Daily News. We were asked by a Native American group if they could meet twice a month in our church to discuss the pros and cons of using marijuana as part of their worship. The use of peyote is well established in Native American worship, and my point of view was not the issue. After all, as a member of the race who poisoned, slaughtered, and stole the land of the American Indian, who am I to preach to them about what is moral and immoral? Their pastor, Kevin Loring, has researched the matter and has a point of view that deserves discussion – and the attention of the Bangor Daily News. Loring seeks publicity for his cause, and the meetings are open to any and all points of view. The problem stems from the structure of the article, which weaves Loring’s group’s breaking the law with their use of our church as a drug-free, public meeting place to discuss the issues.

Some of the comments on the BDN’s website assumed that the Brick Church was condoning drug use. That is absolutely not true. We have many events involving teenagers, including Open Mic, and our policy has always been to protect both our youth and adults from anything illegal or immoral.

In quoting me, writer Judy Harrison combined several sentences in which I repeated the points Loring had just made at the meeting – that a spiritual understanding of the drug experience would keep smokers from progressing to other, more dangerous drugs. Personally, I’m not sure marijuana can provide much spiritual insight, but I do agree that approaching any experience with the spiritual in mind is better than the alternative.

My main objection to Harrison’s article, however, is the fact that she quoted me and then jumped back to an illegal event – the groups’ meeting at another location where they actually smoked marijuana. I was not there, and I do not condone their breaking the law – for whatever reasons, including spiritual ones.

My advice to anyone seeking to change the law is to meet about it, talk about it, but do nothing illegal. Wait until the intellectual and legal battle is won. I would say the same thing at a church meeting to oppose abortion: It’s your right to discuss these things and suggest legislation to change the law, but don’t break the law. Wait until your point of view prevails. It’s unfortunate that Harrison’s article did not differentiate these things more clearly."

Leland Witting, Pastor

The Union Street Brick Church

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Now wouldn't it be a shame and an insult to our forefathers and our freedoms and rights as citizens to expect anything less? This country was built by those hoping to ensure such freedoms and by men and women providing venues to express those very rights. Shame on those who believe censorship, violence, or intolerence is somehow 'acceptable' or an expression of their own rights. Do not your beliefs and the expression of such deserve the same 'understanding'? My suggestion to all which applies to life and the pursuit of knowledge and the truth in general, is to actually research 'information' BEFORE you accept anything as the 'truth' or form an opinion on such information.

If you’d like to arrange a meeting with Pastor Witting or perhaps take a tour of the church, or if you’d like more information about the functions and upcoming events at the Union Street Brick Church, please call 207-945-9798

Sincerely,

Flash

(Caretaker of the USBC, host of the ‘Brick’, and concerned, intelligent, and informed member of our community, like you?)

Flashoftruth, in reviewing your comments, I have some of my own to make. I will attempt to make them, without criticizing the history of the Loring family that I know goes back into the mid 1960's, or this "Reverend" Whitting, whom I absolutely never heard of. Bangor. Maine, is not "just" one city; and it IS situated in the USA. I also doubt your statement as "is this is what we have become...a nation of intolerant, pre-judgemental people..." and your diatribe goes on, and on, and on! Drug abuse, drug sales, drug trafficking, and drug-related rhetoric under any other name, title of person, place it is used, history of the center of the activity, the USBC, as you describe it to be, is still illegal drug use. Criticism of these good Maine people who make satisfactory and worthwhile statements concerning their opinions, and to criticze the media which you, yourself allowed into this drug-den to advertise this "church" as whatever your group ever expected it to be advertised under in the story, seems your cult is simply attempting to use college-level rhetoric against people who actually know better as to what and how you are attempting to convince the general public about. You advanced again, on the government and the media being the controlling efforts behind the people-opinions; however, this is exactly the purpose of your own attempts in persuasion. Yes, the USBC facilitators within this self-imposed drug culture, is advocating its own practices. This particular group actually is allowing illegal drug practices. Do not attempt, nor try to convince the Maine people that just because this sacrament of peyote is justified, as it is offered as a "sacrament" holds justification. Bull! You talk about other churches holding their sacrament of communions, but you fail to recognize that the "body" of Christ is offered as a "sacrament" in the form from ordinary bread pieces (by Mormons, through to the Roman Catholic) by ritual of a round piece of unleavened bread. The "wine" is sometimes just grape juice. No alcohol content. I'm not disadvocating not holding a sacramental communion service within, it is just the stupidness of how you try to justify illegal peyote into your service as legal and acceptable and all the while, you claim it is a church of God! Go ahead and continue to make quotes from Christ...He does not mind, but it is this cult who is dramatically using Christ as a crutch to base your pervasiveness on. Sure, USBC is open to everyone. I have no problem with that. But it is your manipulating these people, the ones you find vunerable, to associate further with this cult, within the walls of Loring's apartment and within the walls of the USBC. Lee Whitting may be a good friend of yours...okay. Leave it there. It seems his views are more in the pathways of cult leaders; the same as Loring's, and the ones of the past we have heard so much of, rather than to coincide with what is good, clean, wholesome, in the use of God and Christ in a valid church setting and meaning, and its practice for good. I could care less if USBC fell to the ground, and how much anyone put into the structure to preserve it. That is just another attempt herein to bring money into this place and keep it from collapsing into itself. If the City of Bangor was intent of its preservation, they should consider it a historical site. Instead of allowing drug-users to incorporate church-cult activities in it, they would smarten up and tear the place down or preserve it. Every church is a beacon for human rights, Flash. It is not USBC you want preserved, and what you desire people to know about, as much as it is the cult you happen to be involved in, and their gutter practices! That's what your intent on "preservation" seems to be. It did not surprise me one iota that Lee Whitting made his comments about this facility. Who really cares? As I said, it is not the facility, as much as the problems that surround the cult he is allowing and apparently, overtly, condoning and is a material part of. One thing does not amaze me, but concerns me; and that is how come you target Native North Americans to advocate the use of marijuana and peyote, just because of some older-generation Indians smoked ordinary tobacco, and probably Jensen Weed or some other form of tobacco and prairie grass in their pipes generations ago; and now your perception is they all smoked the Puff. Somehow, Flash...yours, and this Greatwhitebear, and others attending this cult, seem to have lost touch with reality and history. Then, this nutty rhetoric goes on with the verbosity about the poor Indians who were forced out of their native land, slaughtered, etc; and furthermore, the laws of the United States of America were not written as yet on the use of drugs or land use and eminent domain at the time in history you are speaking of. So, get a grip on reality, Flash! You mentioned that the BDN's problem stemmed from the article being poor because of its "structure". I guess your article herein is okay, huh, and does not make any "structural problems" in itself? I really doubt that many people would actually want to tour the USBC, and meet with any of you hypocrites. I think that what is best for Bangor, and the neighborhood surrounding USBC while your cult and cultish trade practices are being allowed to go on, would be for a very close look at the theological indifferences your cult are proposing and the legality of the undisciplined, unfortunate acts of doping to go on any longer without curtailment by a judge. No matter what you say, how you say it, where you hold your "services", what historics you bring up, or anything else, makes no differrence to the laws being broken and the potentials to serious accidents, medical problems, and cost to the community of Bangor, Maine, if you continue.

OK, ‘Stevie’…it is always helpful to get your ‘facts’ straight BEFORE you write or speak. If you would have bothered to read my comment correctly, you would have known what I was writing, and what I was “quoting”. Must I reiterate that the Union Street Brick Church DOES NOT ALLOW ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES on its premises? What people do in their own homes or outside of the church is their own business. If anyone is involved in illegal activities, the authorities should be notified and the individuals prosecuted, whether it be outside OR inside the church. This DOES NOT pertain to FREE SPEECH. Are you so righteous as to be the judge and decider of what is ‘just’ and ‘reasonable’, and what ‘free speech’ should not be ‘free’ or ‘tolerated’? As a wiser man than I once said, “I may not agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Pastor Witting believes in the rights of all people and provides a venue for all people to be able to express themselves within the law, nothing more, nothing less. Do you think he has not weighed the possibility that self-righteous people would pass judgment without having ever stepped foot in the church, attended any meeting or function, or gotten any more ‘facts’ than what is contained within this poorly written article? One would of course hope to not have to worry about this from logical, compassionate, accepting, and especially religious people, but…

You are a perfect example of the general mentality of society today, ‘shoot first and ask questions later’, or in this case, don’t even bother to ask any questions. Are you going to stand on your soap box and pretend you know what you are even talking about with nothing more than the ‘information’ contained in this article to ‘back up’ your ‘opinion’? We at the USBC, DO NOT and HAVE NEVER condoned the use of drugs on its premises. Alcohol is only permitted by those over 21 at private functions and is NOT provided by the church. But I should not have to defend what we do at the USBC, it’s standing in the community and what it has done for the city of Bangor speaks for itself. If you are not aware of what an important role the USBC plays in this city, it is because you don’t want to know. It is easy to sit back in the comfort of your armchair typing away on your computer, criticizing something you have only read about…but guess what? That is what ‘freedom of speech’ is all about isn’t it? No matter how absurd your views and opinions might be, how uninformed you are, or how persecuted by certain irrational people you may be, you still have a right to express yourself. For instance, “it is just the stupidness of how you try to justify illegal peyote into your service as legal and acceptable…” Tell me, where did anyone say that peyote is used at services or at the USBC at all? The subject of ‘peyote’ was in reference to Native American practices NOT the church’s, and I was quoting a passage of Lee’s. Did you actually READ my comment?

I am also interested in your definition of a ‘cult’. What would that be exactly, seeing as how you use it so much and actually have the audacity to somehow associate this term with ANY groups or activities at the USBC? But as with most of your statements, they are without any real merit, no substance, and have very little to do in the way of ‘fact’; all of which usually helps when you are attempting to make ‘points’.

I am not here to argue with anyone, I merely was giving ‘the other side of the story’ which was NOT presented in this article or even attempted to be obtained by this ‘reporter’. I felt, as I still do, that it is not only my right to defend the USBC, the functions, and the decisions as to who is ‘allowed’ to rent the church, but that it was necessary to present the truth from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. I mean seriously, the USBC has been owned and operated by Pastor Witting for 10 years with absolutely NO incidents of illegal activity concerning drug use or anything else in can think of. Don’t you think if the USBC was involved in illegal activity that SOMEBODY would have heard about it by now? Find me anyone who has something bad to say about the USBC that has actually been there, or something bad to say about Pastor Witting who has actually met him. You are doing a disservice to this community and insulting decent people in general by even suggesting Lee is involved in ANY illegal activities. Ask the families and the victims whose side he stands by at EMMC what kind of man Lee is ‘Stevie’. If you have proof, present it. If not, you are just assuming, and we all know what happens when we do that…

In reference to your statement to me regarding “reality”…the REALITY of the situation is that you are forming an opinion, making unjust statements and absolutely false accusations with nothing more than a badly written article from the BDN to support your (at times) slanderous words. By your own account, you have never been to the USBC and have never heard of Pastor Witting. Yet by the ‘testament’ of a news ‘story’, you have already passed judgment. Is this what your religion teaches you? Is this what your ‘America’ means to you?

Let me too give you the definition of ‘hypocrite’:

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Please explain to me how any one you accuse of this is ‘guilty’ of this? If anything, it seems to me that “a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue” could apply to MANY of the people commenting in this forum. I challenge you ‘Stevie’ and all of the ‘concerned’ citizens out there that feel the livelihood of this community is somehow being ‘threatened’ to come see for yourself what is actually going on down at the ‘Brick’, I guarantee you would think differently. And, there is always Open Mic on Thursday’s from 7-10pm that is open to ALL acts and ages. Everyone is welcome, from ‘old timers’ to the most incredible 10 year old singer you will ever hear! Open Mic has been going on at the USBC for over 9 years now and hosted by myself, my wife Shannon, and our 2 boys Taegre (7) and Treyn (22mons.) going on 4 years. We have the BEST live, local talent in all of Maine and the most appreciative audiences you can find. Thursday’s have been standing room only for the past few weeks, so if anyone would like to come and express their ‘opinion’ in front of a packed house and get their ‘5 mins of fame’, I invite you ALL to do so, because THAT is what the Union Street Brick Church is all about. Open your eyes to the truth and the reality Mr. ‘Wonder’.

Flash, it's best just to ignore StevieWonder. He is a person who posts here under several usernames in a bizarre attempt to spread his self-righteous, right-wing, racist, and intolerant opinions using inflammatory rhetoric in infuriatingly long posts. He doesn't even reside in the U.S. Why he chose to vent on this article is anyone's guess.

No wonder they see things "differently," their all smoking pot!!

None of this is a surprise to the One True God.

I hope all who wear a Christian label remembers what Paul spoke about in the books of 1& 2 Timothy.

The best thing we can do is to be praying not arguing.

We are ALL sinners. God has NO favorites. Yes, He even loves the "pot heads" and I am living proof as one who was delivered from that bondage even if you call if "freedom".

The real question for all to ask ourselves is where does your plan of Salvation (if you have one) take you?

One day we all will stand before the Almighty God and give an account to what or who we worshipped in our lifetime.

Whether it sits well with people or not, Jesus is it and if we arent worshipping Him then we are headed for destruction.

I myself (and I hope all other Christians will also)will continue to pray for this country as a whole which was built on Biblical principals from which this country has turned away from that more would

return to the One that created us and live His ways.

"But it is no shame to sufffer for being a Christian. Priase God for the privlege of being called by his wonderful name." 1Peter 4:16

Grace and Peace to ALL of you!

Anne, I guess I just want to make a comment like other out-of-staters do. There are many out there that post every day to the BDN. To Flashoftruth...in the "Goals of the Temple of Advanced Enlightenment", there are seven (7) "goals" that are shown at the end of the article by the Bangor Daily News report. Six (6) of these "goals" deal directly with marijuana and drugs in some respect. Only one (1) "goal" is shown to "partner with houses of worship, lawyers, colleges and universities". That "goal" in itself only tells me what method and means you are using to either prove your point or gain support. But, no matter, Flash, what your retorts may be, it all adds to one obvious conclusion, doesn't it? Just the photo atop the page and the caption underneath may tell your whole story without much more being said. Yes, Anne, there are many right-winger's out there. You are absolutely right about that...and I'm proud to be one of them.

Anne...I don't know what is happening here...honestly!! Now "AmericanBandstandPA" shows up on the above posting! I tried to eliminate all those user names on the BDN website, and also eliminate several email addresses I had, which corresponded to these particular email addresses. My son actually made two of the user names and email addresses himself. That "AmericanBandstandPA" is actually one of my son's user names and probably the server at the BDN is confused, too. I have a new computer coming Saturday, and the software guy will be at my home again to program it. I will try, for the fourth time, to eliminate all user names, and see what I can work out with the BDN on this today via email. Maybe they can adjust their server. I just made the comment on "StevieWonder", which I thought was eliminated, and then "AmericanBandstandPA" showed up, which, too, I thought was also eliminated. I'll take care of it, hopefully the Mr. Tuttle at the BDN can assist. I will email them now, I promise! Please put up with this until we straighten this mess out, and then, once I get it fixed, you can get back on my neck again and start chewing it. I don't mind at all, Anne. Take care, now.

Pot is good. God is bad.

AmericanBandstandPA: You need to log out then log back in. Sometimes it takes several tries, but it will eventually log you out then you can log in with another username that you have set up. It's fun, I sometimes will register a username that someone else is using. Most times, it won't allow duplicates, but I change one little thing about it, like adding an extra vowel or consanant and it works, then people get confused, then I can post differing opinions with all the different names I use. It doesn't take much to get a rise out of people. Sad, I know, but that's how I spend my day. I am a homebound person who doesn't have any friends or a life, so I just make people angry and watch the fallout, then I even argue with myself, using the different usernames.....it's fun!

We never once smoked pot or brought illegal drugs into the Union Street Brick Church. We only spoke openly and honestly about our feelings, the laws, court cases. I am truly sorry that Judy didn't make this abundantly clear. If it makes anyone feel better, we are no longer allowed at the Brick Church. Rev. Whitting, I am sorry for any damage your limited participation has had. You allowed us a safe place to speak freely. Nothing more, nothing less. We would never disrespect Rev. Whitting like that. We have too much respect for him and his house of worship.

John, looking forward to it. Thanks for the update.

I just want to help people. During Alcohol Prohibition, almost every single Church, Temple, or other place of worship in this country was given an exemption for the religious use of "Intoxicating Liquers". This was called the Volstead Act. It protected the spiritual use of any and every kind or type of alcohol known to man. They didn't even have to fight for it. It was simply assumed that every mode of worship included alcohol. Spiritual use rose 300% and helped lead to the end of prohibition. This is where the recreational use of alcohol begins and the downward spiral begins. Lack of spiritual guidance led to the widespread abuse of alcohol.

Peyote was only protected in a few States as a sacrament. The United States further protected this by extending this exemption through all 50 States. With over 300,000 members, the Native American Church has helped curve the abuse and misuse of peyote, protecting it as sacred. Peyote has never become a widespread problem. It's spiritual use is highly respected and protected.

Hoasca is a hallucenogenic tea used by a Brazilian group called the UDV. They have about 200 members in the United States. The tea contains DMT, also a schedualed narcotic. The DEA intercepted a shipment of the tea and brought charges against them. The UDV sued the DEA and won a permenant injunction in the Supreme Court. The United States has no compelling interest in stopping sincere worshippers from practicing their faith. So long as they are not hurting anyone.

By supporting us, you need not condone what we do. We do not sell drugs. We practice privately and teach responsibility, tolerance and moderation. We encourage young adults to participate in community based volunteering at every opportunity. We are proactive against drug abuse. We are not anti-government or anti-DEA, quite the opposite we want to work together with local agencies to ensure the safety of our communities.

We have heard rumors that Drug Dealers are scared that our little temple might take away their black market. GOOD! Responsible temple members denounce all other narcotics and don't cuase a problem with local authorities. If enough people started using spiritually, there would be a signifigant decrease in the amount of drug dealers. Without the money, they have no reason to sell cannabis. Those who choose to chase their carreer will have to sell harder drugs, to a sketchier crowd. This increases their visibility, flushing them out. They are much easier to spot than the more subdued cannabis dealers. This will lead to increased arrests of dealers who continue their dark path. This will lead to safer streets and an attitude of responsibility and tolerance will spread with it. We are not informants though we may communicate dangerous situations with authorities, as any responsible citizen should.

On the medical side of cannabis, I've put the plan out there. If the communities and State want to work together. I think this is the most responsible way to do it. Let volunteers make medicines and give them free to patients who qualify under Maine law. But not just cannabis, a fully functional HOSPICE style service. A real caregiving operation, free to the people who need it most. I want to help provide a federally protected source of free medicine, safely, to Maine citizens who need our help.

HERE THIS IS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DONT BELIEVE JESUS USED CANNABIS AS A SACRAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CANNABIS SACRAMENT SCRIPTURES found by g.f.m.

(from our 100 yr old king james version)

OLD TESTAMENT

Genesis] 1:11,29-30 / 2:9 / 9:2-3 / 24:63-64 / 35:13-14

Exodus] 3:2-5 / 13:21-22 / 14:19-20 / 30:23-26 / 37:25 / 38:1 / 40:5-6,27

Leviticus] 1:all / 3:all / 5:10 / 6:9 / 8:21 / 23:10

Numbers] 9:15 / 15:3 / 28:2-3 / 29:13,16

Deuteronomy] 12:6-7,13-14 / 26:1-4 / 27:5-7

Joshua] 8:30-31

Judges] 6:23-26 / 14:15-16

I Samuel] 13:9-10 / 16:13

I Kings] 8:64 / 9:25

II Kings] 16:13

I Chronicles] 16:1,2 / 21:23-26 / 22:1,2

II Chronicles] 1:6 / 7:1,7 / 29:24,31-35 / 31:2-5

Ezra] 3:3-6

Nehemiah] 9:12,19,20

The book Job] 1:5 / 14:5-9

Psalms] 23:all / 40:all / 50:8 / 104:14 / 119:all

Proverbs] 11:30 / 12:11-14 / 15:16

Ecclesiastes (the preacher)] 1:all / 2:5 / 3:all

Isaiah] 27:6 / 56:7 / 66:3,17

Jeremiah] 6:20 /7:21-22 /11:13 /17:26 /19:5 /29:5 /32:29 /33:18 /44:19 / 48:35

Ezekiel] 15:all / 17:22-24 / 19:10-14 / 20:47-49 / 43:24 / 46:12-13 / 47: 12

Daniel] 4:10-14,20-23

Amos] 4:4 / 5:22,25

Micah] 6:6

Habakkuk] 1:16

Malachi] 1:11 / 3:2-5

NEW TESTAMENT

Mathew] 5:22-25 / 23:17-21

Mark] 12:32-34

Luke] 1:8-12

Acts] 2:18-26

I Corinthians] 9:12-14 / 10:17-19

Philippians] 4:20

Hebrews] 10:5-9

Romans] 4:20

I John] 4:20

Revelations] 2:6-8 / 3:18 / 8:3-5 / 15:7-8 / 18:8-10,17-19 / 19:2-4 / 22:1-3,13-15

PRETTY CLOSED MINDED IN MAINE , glad i live in green ole colorado you all sound like your from wyoming, I AM SAD FOR ALL THE YOUTH GROWING UP IN SUCH A CLOSED MINDED AND ONE DIRECTIONAL AREA my prayers are with the pot smokers as you all should BE ASHAMED TO CALL UR SELFS AMERICANS AND THEN PERSECUTE PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN u all sound just like all the closed minded people against the gays as they came out the closet in the 80's and now its A REGULAR PART OF EVERYBODIES LIFE

GET READY FOR THE HEMP REVOLUTION !

IN RESPONSE TO:

On 12/1/08 at 07:24 PM, Tikitorch wrote:

I CAN HONESTLEY SAY MOST OF U RIGHT WINGER, CLOSED MINDED PEOPLES CHURCHES ARE FULL OF CHILD MOLESTATION, AND U LOOK THE OTHER WAY SO I WOULD RATHER WORSHIP AN ORGANIC BUSH THAN THE SICK AND DECIETFUL AND SEGREGATED GROUPS U ALL CALL"GODS HOUSE OF WORSHIP" U SHOULD ALL BE REPENTING NOT SPEWING HATRED ON THE INTERNET

You guys planing any pot luck dinners soon?

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Caesar says pot is illegal. Sinner.