Group fighting same-sex marriage

Why do we even care who sleeps with whom, unless it is a child? This just seems like a no win situation. Live and let live.

So, now the Baptist' want the Catholic and Mormon money, too.

If these people don't have anything better to do with their lives then they can always go........"

But, then again I'm sure they already do!

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Mainelyme

Me again. This is just a waste of time and energy. Our lives are brief; let us try to find the everyday joy.

Another hate group forms in Orrington, wonderful! Jesus loves you unless you're different, what a message.

It might not seem it from time to time, but we are evolving into the good. As a species we are smarter, kinder, taller, healthier, increasing in longevity, and more committed to equal Justice.

Saint Paul said, "It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." As a society we are all evolving into God, and God is love. The scales will drop from our eyes and we shall see a child of God where we once saw a stranger, a child of God where we once saw an enemy, a child of God where we once saw ourselves. Love one another.

God doesn't hate the sinner, He hates the sin. Marraige is between a man and a woman, it's God's law,plain and simple.

Interesting when the old testament is used when it's serving a purpose. And when the New Testament is ignored. After watching the History channel of how Nazi's are alive and well in the United States, this has a familiar ring to it. When the head one is claiming that all people that aren't white or heterosexual is evil, and that THEY will extinguish those that are different. Who will be left to pontificate the good of god? Who will be the flock that will be gullable enough to follow? Give me your dirty filthy rotten money, and I will raise you up to the man...Anything to stir hate and discontent among the masses. Anyone ever look into Ken's background?

Hey Christians, Jesus Christ loves each and every one of us. Stop raining Old Testament on us.

Anyone with questions regarding the issue of same-sex marriage need only to consult the Authority on it, and you will find that only in the Word of God, AKA The Bible. The answers are in many places throughtout the entire Book, in both the Old and New Testaments. Sexual immorality of any kind is absolutely abhorrant to God, and He says as much in His Book of instructions to us, as to how we are to live our lives. He also gave us Free Will to do as we please but in doing so, we may be giving up our rights and privileges to Divine Eternal Peace in Heaven. If you want to spend eternity in hell, that is your privilege, but do not expect the rest of the world to bow to your desire to live a sinful life. The Bible also says, Rev. Mark Doty, that "God is the same, yesterday, today and forever". Therefore He has not changed His mind about the constitution of marriage belonging solely to heterosexuals. God does want us to be happy, but He wants us to find our happiness in Him and the Covenant He entered into with us, "to obey His Commandments" and "His Commandments are not burdensome". I would suggest, Rev. Doty, that you spend a considerable amount of time in the Word, and refresh yourself as to what God, not only wants of us, but demands of us, if we want anything from Him.

If anyone wants to worship the devil, that too comes under the heading of free will, but don't thrust it down the throats of God-fearing Christians, who truly want to live according to the Word of God. And we should not have to have it shoved in our faces everywhere we go. It is not even safe to take young children to Disney World for a family vacation any more, because they, not only, condone this rampant disregard for human decency but they actually celebrate it in a weekend long tribute to the "red shirts" of America and the entire world.

As science and education becomes more universal and people become more atuned with the true realities that govern their lives, these fraudulent religous cults will become a distant relic of the past. The sooner the better.

Reading the Old Testament I found that it was okay to commit incest, adultery, rape, sodomy, and everything else, so....................God loves all no matter what their sins are or have been. If we want to abolish something how about getting rid of a world of hate and hypocrites, and all live together as a united world, AND FOR THOSE ASKING OR EVEN WONDERING, NO I AM NOT GAY, LESBIAN, BISEXUAL OR TRANSGENDERED, I HAVE JUST DONE ALOT OF READING ON THE SUBJECT, I have gotten facts on things and know why they are like they are. MABYE MORE PEOPLE SHOULD READ THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE.

In all the years I read the bible and was taught in Catholic schools I was told that God loves all of us and judge not least ye be judged. This guy at Calvary Chapel was at Bangor Christian but he had to share the lime light there so he started his own church. Half of his congregation live near me and they are married to their own cousins. So its bad enough we have a guy preaching the Old Testament but it is being followed by a bunch of inbreds.

We are told we hate people when we believe God. We are compared to Nazis when we stand up for what the bible says. Just because a Christian calls something wrong it doesn't mean we hate people. We just believe God is the one who has given us marriage and the one who defines it. I don't think you hate me just because you disagree with me. And even if you do, I still have the responsibility to love you and to give you the respect you diverse. Calling people names is not only childish, but it's reflective of your inability to support your anti biblical position. Supporting gay marriage is the equivalent to giving your blessing to homosexuality. Its really that simple. Its never a wise thing to engage in and support behavior that God has so clearly condemned. Love the sinner, but hate the sin.

Keep your religious beliefs to yourself is the best bet. When we die we will be judged then by the only one who matters. Not you, your congregation or anyone else. If I want to hear what you have to say I'll come to your church

Kate,

Marriage is a religious institution.

Should you be told to keep your comments to yourself?

When I'm sticking my nose into someone elses business maybe I should keep my comments to myself. And this country is based on equal rights. Key word EQUAL

Rev. Doty what BIBLE are you reading from???????

Warning!

These three scripture verses will add much context to our responsibility as Christians to use judgment on spiritual matter like marriage. If you are looking to get away with selfish behavior or falsely accuse Christians of being judgmental for speaking the truth in love, quickly look away.

1 Corinthians 5:12 (NIV)

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

1 Corinthians 6:2 (NIV)

2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?

Matthew 7:5 (NIV)

5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Exactly who's business is it if gays/lesbians want to get married??? Exactly who are they hurting by doing this? I personally don't care who wants to marry who. It is absolutely nobody's business except the 2 PEOPLE involved.

Got to run. See ya on the other side.

real quick, if you didn't care why would you bother to post a comment?

hurry

Kate123 - "Keep your religious beliefs to yourself is the best bet" ? As Christians, we are COMMANDED to GO and PREACH the gospel!!!

Mainer50 - What does Ken's background have to do with anything?

I am very glad to see this group of pastors come together to take this very important stand for the WORD OF GOD!!!!

Lalizz - get your head out of the sand.

Mainelyme - Got something against Baptists? The 'People Of The Book'? Maybe you should read the book and learn something.

LarrySG - God loves everyone, even gays and lesbians. He detests what they do.

Hardworkingmom - Please enlighten us as to where in the Old Testament does it say it was okay to commit incest, adultery, rape, etc. You are correct in that God loves all regardless of their sin. Agina, he destests what they do (the sin).

I remember when Ken Graves was playing Rock Christian Music in the John Bapst Chapel wearing torn jeans and a T shirt. He was Pastor Graves then. Come as you are we accept everyone was his motto. Godsword is still on , albeit early in the morning sunday...(2 am I believe). I am now very glad that I followed my instincts and ran like a scared rabbit from his "church". He proclaims to "speak biblical truth" when all he is really doing is taking excerpts and interpreting them to his belief for others to follow...oh but wait....Isn't that pretty much what everyone does when it comes time to start the old "The Bible Says" routine? For every single idect in the bible there is another one that can be used to refute it. There is only ONE GOD...that is the only thing I've seen that was never switched around in terminology. Let GOD be the judge. It is not up to us....as to claiming to be saints....isn't that also up to GOD. When you finally do become a "saint" then by all means pass judgement. Until then..."Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone". I seem to recall this being a direct quote from JESUS who is GOD'S ONLY SON...if you truly are a christian. I also seem to recall that he said this to the people and church leaders in regards to their stoning Mary Magdelene for being an adultress and whore. Oh...I also recall her as being one of his disciples. And it was she who cared for Mother Mary, and it was she to whom he first appeared upon his ressurection.

There are way too many religious fanatics in this state. I think they must have too much time on their hands. They're kind of like the back-stabbing co-workers who try to get you fired because they've got nothing better to do, or the nosy neighbors who either complain to the police if you park your car in the street or call animal control every time your dog barks. Philosophically they're a mess, because they preach "love thy neighbor" and the golden rule, yet they just can't seem to keep their noses out of everyone else's business or to stop telling other people what to do. What is that expression about removing the plank from your own eye before you can remove the splinter from your brother's? Maybe we could turn a negative into a positive by harnessing all that hot air as an alternative energy source.

CandyofBrewer - "Let GOD be the judge" HE has already judged. HE calls is DETESTABLE, an ABOMINATION!!!!!!

Hey musician he also says love me and find your way into heaven and judge not least ye be judged. You bible thumpers are the adomination. So in the Old Testament when it says you can committ sodomy, incest and all that you have no problem with that. BUt two consenting adults want to spend the rest of their life with someone they love and have equal rights that is detestable? You are right though, Candy, let God be the judge. When we all get there he will and I think you misguided fools ought to worry about your own salvation and leave other people alone.

CandyofBrewer: You have done very well with your history of Mary Magdelene, Until you recalled her as being a disciple. Fret not my dear......We all make mistakes. All and All you did very well......

musician - He also stated through Jesus that everyone has free will, and that in time his judgement would come forth. Soddom and Gamorrah were in the OLD Testament. and Jesus said he came to fulfill the promise of the old testament and create a NEW COVENANT. In this new covenant he clearly states that no man is without sin therefore no man can truly be a judge in GOD'S court. Manmade laws are governed and judged by man. That is why they are all so flawed and controversial. "Give to God what is God's, Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's". This wasn't just about that gold coin, it was also about the laws that ruled the land. Again...laws created by man, not by GOD.

Candy, doesn't everyone interpurt the bible to their beliefs? The bible wasn't written as things happened it was written years later. You don't suppose some of it got misquoted do you? Like when you hear a story and repeat it and by the time ten other people get done it is all out of the realm. I have read the bible and gone to church and even the church taught us that.

His background has alot to do where he is today, an affair, a group of men that are for manly things. I think that he doth protest to much? Rabble rousing has been along and pot stirring gimmick that gets people where they live, emotionally. I agree with those that say, what is the harm of those that are different from the heteros to want to have a marriage? Did people think it was strange when Jesus didn't marry? After all, the culture of the day was that a man got married or was in a religious order...was he gay? Yes, by all means let God judge not us human beings. Sex for procreation is one thing, it helps fill the church pews. Sex for an expression is something beautiful that two people share an expression of their love for each other...what is more difficult to understand? Whether gay or straight, sex is sex....and as far as family is concerned, he who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...be careful and look at your own closets....sorry for the pun. As far as equating with Nazi, same idea, occult is a bunch of small minded people who feel threatened with anything different, just like with Nazis...Look at Jimmy or John Jones...believers, they believed that he was going to save them, yeah, right into mass suicide....BAAAAAAH there are sheep everywhere ready to be sheared....are you one of them? No, I don't hate anyone but ignorance gets me right where I sit down. That is one of big pet peeves, ignorance and stupdidity....or enlightenment...the choice is yours.

If you don't want to take GOD at His WORD now, there is coming a day when you will as you stand before Him. Time WILL tell!!!

Thank you skipperskitchen, I have read the bible extensively. I learned to read from the bible. My grandmother and her sister taught me to read and write when I was 2 and taught me math at 3. I realize that it is not in the bible that Mary Magdelene was a disciple, yet she was with them everywhere, and when I realize that many of the books of the bible have been corrupted through misguided language intrepretation, and some have even been lost, I know that somewhere in there, she has her voice. That is of course just my belief. that is why I called her a disciple, and that is of course wrong of me to do, because it is enforcing my belief on others. I guess when we go forth to face the One True Judge, we will know the truth.

Again, thank you.

Everyone has an opinion on gay marriage. If this does make it to the forefront, I would hope that the legislature lets the people of Maine decide in a referendum, and not make the decision for us. Otherwise, expect a petition and a referendum soon after. Money that could certainly be better spent.

Don't be too hard on yourself about forcing your belief's on other people. You make sense and I think you are well educated. Everyone has that right to speak his or her beliefs. Your postings make so much more sense then most of the other postings on this article. I for one respect your belief.

It's not just the Baptist.It is people who clearly understand the Scriptures and natural selection. Biologically it doesn't fit and evidence clearly shows that homosexuality causes early death and spreads it.Smokers have a longer lifespan than gays.We ban smoking??? It's funny how they preach tolerance but that is only for people that agree with them.My uncle died of AIDS after he left his wife and 4 children and began his homosexuality. I will support the marriage alliance because it is right.Money?Haha,a feeble attempt and typical answer from the TOLERANT?

“Marriage is God’s idea,” Graves said. “It is his institution. It belongs to him.” Pastor Graves apparently believes that he has the capacity to understand the mind of God. My my, such an inflated ego in a humble man of God.

"Maine Marriage Alliance.. . . a coalition of pastors and laypeople who support traditional marriage." Would someone please help Mr. Emrich understand that one may support an institution such as marriage between men and women without denying a similar relationship to others.

"the bishop reminded Catholics that the principal reason for marriage was procreation . . ." Maybe the good bishop never learned that the institution of marriage began many thousands of years ago, long before Abrahamic religions surfaced, to control or organize the inheritance of property and power. Nature does a fair job of providing for procreation without the need for a "legitimizing" structure like marriage.

"If you are looking to get away with selfish behavior or falsely accuse Christians of being judgmental for speaking the truth in love, quickly look away." Pastorsteve, the gays who want to get married want to do so out of love for each other. Those who want to prevent that appear to be selfish in wanting to deny them that relationship. If that love offends you, "quickly look away" yourself.

"it's God's law,plain and simple"

And that's fine. We live under laws of humans, for better or for worse.

I think that there is a lot more going on in this world today that needs to be addressed by CLERGY, instead of them worried about a man sleeping with a man. Really, who's business is it if a man and man want a relationship. There are so many IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED people in this world, and if two men in a commited relationship are happy, it's nobody's business at all. Am from Boston originally, HOW QUICKLY WE FORGET THE MESS WITH THE PRIEST'S DOWN THERE, MOLESTING AND ABUSING ALL THOSE CHILDREN....saying gay relationships is wrong coming from "men of the cloth" , _ucking hipocrites......

Oh great - another article that's likely to elicit a bunch of intolerant messages sprinkled with references to the bible. Enough already.

"The answers are in many places throughtout the entire Book"

So by this absurd, almost childish, argument, does that mean that Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims, i.e. those not subject to the new Testament, and not bound by its rules?

Living life according to the misrepresented and mistranslated Old Testament is like living your life according to the Iliad or Ovid's Metamorphosis. The New Testament is another matter entirely and it is based on love. Gays and lesbians are not hurting anyone. If a particular demonimation doesn't want to marry them, so be it. It is wrongheaded to insist that marriage is legally defined as between a man or a woman and that no authority has the right to marry same sex couples. If there is such a thing as evil then it resides in these closed minds.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters not adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." I Corinthians 6: 9-11 (NIV)

Again, it appears the past few elections have brought back bigotry, racism, homo-phobia, sexism, etc., back out of the closets.

Remember in Ellsworth some good meaning Christians tarred and feathered a Catholic Priest for fear of Catholic/Irish immigration and so we had to build a Catholic schools, and Catholic medical facilities for example to survive in those dark days. Most all clubs like local country clubs would not admit Catholics into their membership. And closer to home Bangor’s primarily poor, Catholic, and uneducated, found only labor-intensive jobs and harsh discrimination. The No Nothing party maybe will be reinvented?

It is ok, of course, today, if you are taken to an emergency room in Bangor that the doc, nurse, or other staff may be gay, if they can save your life ?

Or the same folks that may have delivered your babies or now pay your salary from one of their businesses a gay person owns, that’s ok too?

Oh, I see yes, hypocrisy will be practiced in the dark in the name the self-preservation by the self-righteous.

Got it.

Gee what happened to all the forgiving God?

Hey pound that hershey tunnel somewhere else.

you want to join in a ceremony then move to a state that believes in that crap

And please don`t corrupt our kids

We will never stop throwing punches at each other,we will never be totally at peace or in agreement,that just the way it is and always will be.

I feel that for the Gays to ask the Church to bless thier union is wrong.The true Biblical church must go by the tennents of the Bible.I just feel it is very basic.

We certainly have become a more tolerant people but we fall into an emotional upheaval when we look at good people being scrutinized to the point that brings us to this.As Christians we are supposed to believe and love everyone regardless of their misgivings.Most of us know and love people that are gay and want all the best for them but their are just some things that shouldn't be compromised.If you believe in the bible and the Christian values you know that there is no compromise.If you don't,why are you asking the church at all?

My failings as a Christian would be that I am not going to try and save them,I will support them in a way that is fair and loving as only I know how.They need recognition of their commitments to each other and I am not sure how that will be done I just feel that the Church must not be expected to bless the union.

This "issue" will never end. Even if legislation is passed to allow gay, lesbian, transgendered unions of some kind there will be those who speak against it. To call a union between to people of the same sex a "marriage" is wrong in some people's minds. To allow a legal union between two people of the same sex is wrong in some people's eyes. And yet, either is okay in other people's eyes. So, all the comments here really don't matter in the end. No matter how the issue is resolved, one side will claim it is still wrong and struggle on to change it.

The only thing that can never change is that the relationship between two people of the same sex can not be considered heterosexual. Maybe that's the answer? Couple A is in a heterosexual marriage. Couple B is in a homosexual marriage. Couple C is in a lesbian marriage. And, finally, couple D is in a transgendered marriage.

My personal view, we don't need to continue to enact special legislation for any given "group". We have human rights legislation in place that should be all any individual needs for protection. We're all human - heterosexual, homosexual, lesbian and transgendered. Let's start looking at everyone as a human being with the same rights we enjoy. Including the right to believe what we believe is right for ourselves.

Here we go again with the religious nuts....

Here is a solution.. Leave "Marriage," the religious ritual to the church and their bigotry and let "Civil Unions," be a union recognized by the state to be between two consenting adults who want to journey through life together and share the benefits of that commitment. That way, the church can have its hate filled exclusive thing calle marriage, and those who which to have a same-sex union can have that to.

I see no reason this can't be accomplished. This way the church people can be pleased that god is not approving "marriage" and they can go back to their sheltered, idiotic hatemongering ways, while same-sex couples can be treated equally by the state as they should with a civil union.

Kylie with your mouth and views just being around you is enough corruption for any kid.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If God is so against homosexuals why did he make them that way? Its not a choice, its the way they are. If it doesn't affect you personally then let it alone

What is it about separation of church and state that is so hard to understand. In this country you are required to purchase a license to marry. That makes it a civil, or state institution. What happens after that, whether you choose a religeous ceremony or a civil ceremony is a matter of choice. If your church is opposed to same sex marriage, then don't perform them. Until such time that the government stops requiring a paid for piece of legal paper to marry, then the matter will continue to fall under "equal protection". Until then, please keep your God out of other people's private lives.

Right on linger47. I agree as all Christians would and anyone who does not agree has no business calling themselves a Christian.

I have no opinion of this marriage as compaired to any other marriage. Lets be honest, its a piece of paper acknowledged as a legal document. Ok so what? You need that to be happy? Im sure there are financial reasons to be married but honestly as long as you are together with the person of your choise...isnt that enough. In the eyes of God when you sleep with someone you are married...who needs a Notary Public for that?

Musician, do you really believe that a God that so many people believe in, is so cold, so unforgiven, so hateful by getting vengence, on people who are so mis-lead by mortals, that he doesn't have the heart to forgive these things. How about this, what if there is no God then all this arguing and fighting is for nothing. If there is a Satan, then he just won. I do believe there is a higher power but not the unforgiving damning one that seems to be tossed out at people. You catch more flies with honey then you do vinegar so I have decided he's there but not as cold as some religous sects would have you think.

Kylie is one I choose to ignore.

If Christians are to keep their religious beliefs to themselves and not speak out about what they hold dear then the gay and lesbian group should keep their life style out of of news so it's not in our faces. I can see by the comments here that most of you have no idea what Christianity is all about. It's alright for some to voice their oppinions but it seems when the Christians speak out we are accused of hate crimes. So let me get this straight, it's o.k. for everyone to speak out on what they believe in but Christians are suppose to stand back and let things happen that is totally against the Bible and everything they believe in and take insults while your pushing for the evil things of this world.

Kylie - thanks for your brilliant comments - you add so much to these postings - NOT.

Kylie - thanks for your brilliant comments - you add so much to these postings - NOT.

Lorrie,

God CAN and DOES forgive. In the passage I quoted above from I Corinthians it names several sins, and then it says, "And that is what some of you were." We ALL are sinners. God will forgive if we come to Him on His terms. The Bible says that those who refuse to do so "are condemned already."

As a lesbian who grew up in a Baptist church, it doesn't surprise me the intolerance that these "Christians" have. What they don't say is that God views all sins equally, and if they are convinced that homosexuality is a sin, then they are sinning just as much as anyone else. They are sinning by lying, cheating, talking about people, and spreading hate, so before tellling others that their future won't look that bright, then maybe they should look at their own sins first. Why don't the "Christians" call a meeting to discuss the divorce rate which is at about 60% right now? Marriage isn't all that sacred when you look at those statistics.

Hey musician- Daniel 12:9 -13 He replied, " Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand. 11 From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. 13 As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance."

This must mean that you can preach, (as said Jesus) but many will ignore you...Mark 6:8 -11 These were his instructions: "Take nothing for the journey except a staff - no bread, no bag, no money in your belts. " 9 "Wear sandals but not an extra tunic." 10" Whenever you enter a house, stay there until you leave that town." 11"And if any place will not welcome you or liste to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them."

The Old Testament and New tTestament agree....GO YOUR WAY....it doesn't say that you have the right to force your way on others.

I read the article and then I read the comments afterwards and the comments broke my heart! They speak of things that they do not know! They do not know that Ken is a man saddened by the heart break that many face from making wrong choices. And that Ken speaks what he knows from the Bible NOT from hatred!!! I was floored that people were saying that this was a ploy for money whoever says this has not been to Calvary where they NEVER beg for money they no that God will provide whatever is needed!!! Pepople are not reading that Ken spoke from his own church he was not out spreading hatred, he was not picketing or waving bibles in everyone's face he was speaking from his church aboutr a subject that he feels greatly about!!!! He is not saying hate the gays, EXACTLY the opposite I have heard him say LOVE them and pray for them!!! I wish that people would speak from what they know and I wish that CHristians had the same rights as everyone else! It is ok if you publically ridicule my lifestyle if I am a Christian to say that I live in a fantasy world because I want to be married before sex and I want to be the wife of one man. People feel it is ok to make fun of the fact that I allow my love for children dictate how many children I have not finaces or society!!! People say that I am crazy and depriving my children of a terrific education because I am a whacky CHristian stay at home homeschooler.......well I say that is fine you have the right to your opinion and as a Christian I have the right to mine and I choose to love you and pray for you throughall of your hatred towards me!!!! God Bless You!!!!

Kate123... WELL EQUAL RIGHTS WOULD BE A CIVIL UNION.. WHY DO THEY HAVE TO CALL IT MARRIAGE.... MARRIAGE IS A UNION BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN... I don't care if the gays/lesbians have equal rights and opportunities..... but I just don't feel it should be called Marriage.... But this is just my belief AND this was put to vote by the citizens of Maine once and voted down. I believe that it will be again the case again.... I just don't understand why if we voted this down once is it coming about again? Haven't we spoken? Does our voice as a majority not count? Will we be afforded the same right to bring the vote back if they get their way? I assume not...

I don't think that God really cares whether marriage is hetero or gay. He knows that there will be enough heteros to perpetuate the species, which is probably His main concern. I think He just wants everyone to have a good time.

(On 12/3/08 at 07:21 AM, pastorsteve wrote:

Got to run. See ya on the other side.)

"In Jesus' name, I hope to Hell you don't"

musician :

"You still didn't tell us if you play the skin flute."

UpNorthMan

"Mainelyme - Got something against Baptists?"

"Yes, I wish they would convert to believing in God!

Mainelyme - Got something against Baptists?

skipperskitchen:

If your kitchen is as messed up as your mind is then I wouldn't want to eat there!

rodgudroe.

Homosexuality leads to an early death?

Look to your pulpit and I'm sure you see an "Old Queen!"

God can and does forgive. I pray that same sex marriage will never be legalized. God is not in agreement with same sex relationships and to say He does is to not know God. You can not say you believe there is a God and and believe He is in agreement with same sex relationships. You can not pro-create in a same sex relationship so therefore that is against God and who He is.

God is the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end. He is the same as He was in the beginning of time and the end of time as we know it.

Just because our society has become morally corrupt does not mean God has changed His way of thinking. Our society is saturated with pornography. Pornography sickens the mind and spirit. We have to do what we can to stop any further degredation of morality to our socities. Keeping the marriage as a sacred institution is one of the ways to do that.

I will never dare to say to God, "You are wrong" in saying that we are saying I will not obey.

If a religious order doesn't believe in same sex marraiges then by all means refuse to perform them....But to marry anyone, anywhere in this country you must first purchase a marraige license...this puts it in the jursidiction of MAN. If you don't want to perform a marraige then by all means don't.....Catholics aren't supposed to have church weddings to non-Catholics, or to divorced people ....but they do...My father is and always was a devout Catholic, as were his parents and their parents etc...yet he has been divorced twice....married three times and ALL THREE WERE CHURCH WEDDINGS. The last two as a matter of fact were sisters. And no, neither of them is dead yet. Be that as it may...It's not my place to judge him..he will be Judged by God in due time.

We as human beings have no right to restrict the free will that GOD gave us...if that means that homosexuals and lesbians are among us...then so be it...they have always been there anyways....and yes THAT is in the Bible. It is their choice...and free will...to Go Their Way or to accept the preaching of any number of newly formed and sanctioned religious groups. IT IS NOT THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO BE BOTH CHURCH AND STATE. That being said...Equal Rights For ALL is the very basis on which this Country was formed....and NO ONE has the right to say that equal rights is wrong except GOD...and He will let us all know the truth in his own time.

Coolfusion, how about adding a religious studies program at MMA?

volvo26, you take our beliefs as intolerance. I say you are wrong.... You are trying to take something away from us.... You are intolerable... Most of us do not care if how you live and yes WE ARE ALL SINNERS EVERY LAST PERSON ON EARTH! Why can't you have a Civil Union that gives you all the same rights and benefits as a Marriage? Why can't you meet us in the middle, why do you feel it necessary to force a change in our rights? What does divorce rate have to do with what you are trying to gain? Most of the hate and misunderstanding is coming from the people on your side of the argument, as you are NOT WILLING to entertain anything we say or believe, but expect us to roll over for you! I believe we are all equal and that you should have all the rights we have, and should be able to have such a legally recognized union and similar to Divorce should be able to legally dissolve the union. Why do you think this makes me intolerable?

Candy, there is a big difference between PREACHING and FORCING...

Mommyof 7 keep homeschooling your children. You will never regret it. Homeschooled one of my kids ....wish I had homeschooled all of them. God bless you . Homeschooling is an incredible experience. Our children are our greatest gifts. You realize that when you homeschool. How differently and wonderfully they are made. To watch the blossoming of a child is an awesome experience in a homeschooling situatuon. It's almost as you see them through the eyes of God. Their weaknesses and strengths. And God helps you to help them become the best they can be so that they can be an instrument in making this a better world.

Anyone who thinks that gays and lesbians are born that way are very wrong! This is a learned trait, by choice. As far as marriage goes it says in the Bible that a marriage is between a man and a woman, not between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. God doesn't hate a gay or lesbian, He hates their life style. It's wrong!

rodgudroe.

How do you know when your uncle got AIDS?

Were you with him when he caught it?

kylie00.

If you're their parent I'm sure your kids are already corrupted!

crosshaul :

So who's asking the church to bless their marriage.

Last time I looked there wasn't a cross on the roof of city hall!

By the way Kate 123 God is still an all forgiving God! if you are a Christian, you would know that God is still an all forgiving God!

The late Jerry Falwell laughingly admitted on a late night television talk show that, "Every time the donations dropped off and the money got lower he'd threaten everyone with the dangerous menace of Homosexuallity, and the money would come pouring right in.

It's a comforting image to imagine the late manipulator of God's created people now walking through Hell with his ass hanging out!

Our Lord Jesus Christ commanded that we love God with all our being and that we love each other as we love ourselves. If these "christians" can't understand that they should mind their own business.

The Calvary Chapel is a cult. I can't believe there are still "followers" who give tidings. What a rip off. These people need to get a brain of their own. STOP THE HATE. move on and live your life,....stop worrying how to hurt others. GET A LIFE LOSERS.

I want a couple of extra husbands to help around the house!~ Oh but that is illegal... and I am sure the non religous people would still oppose that! Or what if I wanted to marry my dog or son... where does it stop? Marriage is 1 man 1 woman.... Take the legal Civil Union and be done with it and happy you are able to have ti!

The bible is NOT the basis for law in the United States of America. It is NOT against the law to have god other than the christian god, but that is against that particular religion's law. That's all the evidence you need to keep your bible to yourself and allow people of all stripes equal treatment under the government. Keep your hideous and hateful god out of my government and I promise not to try and change your religious views, however moronic.

Gays are taxed at the exact same rate as straight people and should be treated the same by the government that is taxing them. It's painfully simple, folks.

Our government doesn't recognize civil unions, so they don't work. Adjust all law to recognize civil unions exactly as marriages or give gays marriage. It's that simple. I repeat: either we rewrite law to treat civil unions the same as marriage or we offer marriage: the laws governing guarantees to married individuals are NOT worded to accept civil unions. What part of that don't people see?

If you feel differently on moral ground remember this: so did most of the country in 1967 before Loving vs. Virginia. We evolved past that hatred and we will evolve past this one as well.

As Pastor Graves said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I

try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries

to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that

Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of

God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female,

provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine

claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus

21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her

period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is

how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a

pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They

claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.

clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him

myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish including lobster is an

abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than

homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there

'degrees' of abomination? What about a lobsterman who works on the Sabbath?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may ! not approach the altar of God if I have a

defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading

glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some

wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around

their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How

should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me

unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different

crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing

garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He

also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really

necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together

to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a

private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws?

(Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable

expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can

help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and

unchanging.

Diana22,

Time will tell who are winners and losers.

This whole argument is ridiculous...there IS NO GOD!!! He doesn't exist and those who believe are part of the biggest hoax in human history!! Who cares what a bunch of bigot and racist Christians say an invisible man wants? Just ignore these idiots! The real reason they don't like gays or anybody else who doesn't believe in their hoax is because we don't give MONEY to the church. Isn't God supposed to be all powerful? Why does he always need money? This state is in a budget crunch...the first thing we should do is start taxing all these rich churches and put a fee on their spreading of hate.

Tikitorch...I'm okay with having a civil union. Marriage is something that is tied into religion and quite frankly I would not want to be part of that anyways, but your side has not even brought up the issue of a civil union as being a perfect alternative. You just keep preaching about gay marriage, and since you do that, of course we're going to defend it. I brought up divorce because the talk of gay people actually getting married is apparently such a threat to what God wanted marriage to be and yet you guys are getting divorced at alarming rates. I'm pretty sure that this is not what God wanted, so that's why I'm saying you should focus on this aspect of the desecration of marriage, instead of going after people who genuinely care about one another and have no legal way to express it.

sldunton...I was definitely born gay just as you were born straight.

goingnorth,

There is coming a judgement day when you will KNOW there is a God.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because something is in the BIBILE doesnt mean its WRONG! What about the Black president. (im not against it so dont jump down my throat) But in the bible it says something to the effect of when the foregin leader comes, its the beginning of the end. Take a good LOOK at history! there is NOTHING WRONG WITH SAME SEX MARRIAGE. Think of all the orphans that dont have homes, obviously same sex couples are not reproducing like opposite sex, so theres homes for those poor children.... GET UR HEADS OUT OF UR ASSES. GO DRINK SOME KOOL-AID ON A MTN TOP SOMEWHERE

Let me get one thing straight--the Bible is the word of God--no ifs, ands, or buts. And yes, we all sin every day. Many of you are correct, we are supposed to lvoe one another, but that doesn't mean that we're supposed to condone the sin that God speaks out about. We're supposed to recognize it and stand up for right. I am a born again Christian and although I have had friends who are gay, that doesn't mean that I believe what they are doing is right. All I can do is pray for them and I can stand up and speak out. These men and women who are forming this group, are simply defending the word of God, not putting themselves on any kind of pedestal. Ken doesn't need me to defend him, but I am proud to call him my pastor--I was proud to see him standing up for what the Bible says is right--it's amazing that Christians are accoused of being hateful and intolerant, and if you believe the Bible is the literal word of God, we're accused of bing a cult. Do any of you remember what God did to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah--do you think that sounds like a God who is okay with homosexuality?

Someone mentioned they remember when Ken was playing Christian rock music at the John Bapst auditorium. Well, so do I, and that Ken Graves hasn't changed. Anybody can feel comfortable coming to Calvary Chapel as they are--no need to dress up in your church clothes. But, be prepared to hear the word of God preached. There is no pretense with Ken--he's going to give it to you straight. If it offends you, it's God's word that is offending you. If you read the comments that have been posted, I think you'll see that we are not the intolerant hateful ones at all.

EXACTLY goingnorth!!!!!!!! Well said!! The last thing i belive in is "GOD" as someone once said "belief in a big boogey man in the sky defended only by a book written by the hand of man is hatred" There is a "being" but whos to say who or what it is? i dont see people coming back from the dead going "MAN, this place rocks! God is the man" NOPE, not happening. to each their own. but this is extreme OVERKILL!!

OH NO!!!! The invisible man is going to strike me down!!! I better join this cult in Orriginton and start giving 10% of my earnings to support the spread of fear and hate.

musician:

Do you play the same tune nights as you do days?

Here's a funny musical video that kind of sums it up, as least from my point of view: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c0cf508ff8/prop-8-the-musical-starring-jack-black-john-c-reilly-and-many-more-from-fod-team-jack-black-craig-robinson-john-c-reilly-and-rashida-jones

Anne- I'm glad neil patrick harris is in that skit. Hiprocracy- thats all im reading. im sure the "biblical cult members" have laughed at his comedy, I wonder what they thought when they found out he was gay. Doesnt make him a different person. Just as any other actor or singer.

Everyone is so worried about everyone else. I wonder why! Let them marry! What's it to do with us and our beliefs?

Isn't it curious that the Christian view of marriage is wrong, and hateful, and bigoted, and radical, and dangerous! Meanwhile the "enlightened" scholars and humanitarians who don't believe in Absolute Truth, are so able to identify the lies and deceptions of christianity. This is not a new issue, sin has always pushed for mainstream cultural acceptance. And in EVERY occasion, when sin is culturally acceptable, the culture crumbles down on the very ones who screamed for acceptance.

Are gays responsible for high divorce rates, spousal/child abuse, alcoholism, family financial distress, etc?

Why don't churches put their time and money into worthwhile causes to REALLY help families!

I am interested in hearing a response from some of the Bible literalists to RevGerald's old testament examples of absurd "crimes and punishment."

to all those who believe there is no God.....just because you believe there is no God does not mean He is not there. Wouldn't it be better to believe in God then not to believe? What purpose would there be to life if there was no God? If there is no God, there is no good..if there is no good then there is no evil...

The problem is most people don't want to believe in God because they don't want to change their lives. They don't want to walk away from sin. John the Baptist....repent...repent..for the Kingdom of God is at hand...In denying God, we deny evil. We are all capable of walkning away from sin. Through the gift of faith and God's grace we can. All we have to do is at least try. But screaming at the roof tops that God does not exist is not going to make HIm go away. And wishing Him away or denying Him will not make Him go away.

If Leviticus already said it then why do you have to keep repeating what he said?

For God's sake, send them a cash contribution and shut them the Hell up!

For God's sake, send them a cash contribution and shut them the Hell up!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

Elizabethann:

Honey, it's according to how you define sin!

REALLY TIKITORCH?? you go from marrying another human to marrying your dog. take it easy there with your lame rhetoric. you sound like a moron.

WHY DO PEOPLE TAKE THE BIBLE AS A LITERAL GUIDE TO WHICH LIFE WILL BECOME?? the bible was written so that people would have guidelines to stop acting like buffoons. PLEASE STOP ACTING AS THOUGH BIBLE TELLS THE FUTURE. LAME. It is a storybook for people to read so they don't kill, steal, cheat, etc. EVERYONE CALM DOWN.

Well it is about time the clergy stood up for their BIBLE they preach and the One God we all pray to. It is time to put the radicals in any religion on the back burner. It seems they took their vows half heartedly to allow the destruction of human morals and values and the family unit to be destroyed in the name of NEW WORLD? Same old world just different players!

If you are correct that the Bible is a fictional book to adjust behavior, and that religion or even the basic belief in a supreme being is all just syrup for the dim witted, then why is there such a drive to hijack a religious institution and bend it to better suit culture's moving target of moral accaptabillity. If you hate the church and what it stands for, then why in the world would you want to get labeled as "Married", a term established by religion?

Diana22 Calavry Chapel is not a cult....They must of hit a nerve with you and thats what it is all about, the hate is inside your heart. Time to examine it I guess.. By the way I don't belong to Calvary Chapel.

I am interested in hearing a response from some of the Bible literalists to RevGerald's old testament examples of absurd "crimes and punishments."

Anyone?

Maybe the Bible was written by a bunch of men like us who just wanted to see their names in print!

Until well into the middle ages, marriage was a civil ceremony. Because it dealt with property and inheritance, and because most people were illiterate, the exchange of vows took place in a public place - often on the steps outside the church. If you were important enough, you then went into the church and the priest blessed the union. Only later was the blessing incorporated into the exchange of vows. Marriage is a civil union that can be blessed, but that blessing is not the marriage itself.

If you believe that marriage is only valid for the production of offspring, then senior citizens cannot get married. Nor can those who are infertile.

If you believe that a marriage refers only to the church-blessed union of a man and a woman, then you should realize that only anointed priests can perform that blessing. Catholics hold that priesthood has passed in an unbroken line back to Jesus himself, when he called Peter the rock upon which his church would be built. Oh - you're a protestant? Sorry, that blessing is not valid.

Once upon a time, people married in my church were not considered wed under the law, because English law at that time required that weddings be performed only by officially-sanctioned ministers. The Church and the State were one. If you weren't Episcopal, you were a criminal. Luckily, in this country, that stranglehold was deliberately broken. We have separation of Church and State, and so marriages of other groups (Baptist, Evangelical, Jewish, etc) are recognized in law.

If you hold that the Bible should be your final guide, then better watch it. You like lobster? Oops. They are an abomination unto you. Leviticus 11:10-11. You didn't make a blood sacrifice after childbirth? Too bad. God cammanded you to do so. Leviticus chapter 12. You, of course, pay your employees every day, because the bible so commands. Leviticus 19:13. You have a beard. Leviticus 19:27. You do not have any tatoos. Leviticus 19:28. Why am I harping on Leviticus? Because that is where homosexuality is declared an abomination. Leviticus 19:22. To say that this is valid and the other injunctions are not is cherry-picking.

My faith and my church say that God is Love. God is neither male nor female; neither is love. I believe that God encourages the expression of love whenever it occurs, and it occurs far too rarely in this world. But I do not impose my beliefs on you. I do not demand that every church adopt this stance. I do not demand that any priest or minister bless a union that runs counter to their beliefs.

But I do demand the same courtesy. Marriage is a civil and legal arrangement. Bless it or not as your beliefs dictate, but do not force your beliefs on others.

Bravo ClaireC!

Ditto!!!! Way to go claire!!!!!

One of the greatest scriptures to reference is Romans 1, that's right, the New Testament! Paul talks about the degradation of culture (Roman for him personally) and the spiritual implications of acceptance of sinful practices in popular culture. The bottom line is that you either have faith in a God that is bigger than you, so He makes the rules. Or, you are the god of your religion and you can make up whatever rules you want to live under and who's to say your wrong.

Where in the Bible did **Jesus** condemn homosexuality?

Wow ! Didn't realize there were so many in the closet !

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME GOD?

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

TurkeyTalk-

What about the point posted by RevGerald and ClaireC that there were many outlandish laws in the old testament, that even the most faithful, fundamentalist Christians do not follow? Id it ok to ignore these, but not others?

Several of you keep admonishing us not FORCE our beliefs on others. It is IMPOSSIBLE to FORCE a belief on others! That won't stop us from preaching and proclaiming the WORD OF GOD which will stand forever! We are COMMANDED to do so by the LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Fellow believers, take heart! We know that things are going to get worse and worse in this world, and we are seeing it happen before our eyes. But, we also know the end of the story, don't we?!

Someone seemed to state above that the Bible doesn't tell the future. We know that is not true. No matter what happens in this sinful world, we have eternal life, and NOBODY can change that!

This sounds like the right church for the Reverends Anne_of_mdi and bluecollarbob!

Musician:

I'll repeat the same question directly to you that I have been asking:

I am interested in hearing a response to RevGerald's and ClaireC's old testament examples of absurd "crimes and punishments." Is it ok to ignore these, if the entire Bible is infallible?

Ha ha David. You know we're married, right?

ClaireC, you are definitely a wise person, and we need more like you.

I find it funny that the fundies in this discussion NEVER attempt to tackle our challenges, and can NEVER use rational logic in their discourse. Just superstition and recitations from a book that lost its meaning when it was translated from the Greek language.

Thanks, ClaireC. If they're going to be the nutjobs we know them to be, then let them. It's nice to see other logical people on our side.

Hi mainely me...(hope your doing better:) but how does God define sin... I guess that's the question. If we believe there is a God then how would He define sin? If I know someone, I can pretty much know what they would say and do. I know what I can expect to come out of certain people's mouth because I know them well and I know their personalities. I't's like Jesus said..."Who do you say that I am?" and Jesus also says.."If you see Me, you see the Father". I can't make God something He is not or believe something about Him that is not of His character.

I thought you had a civil union.

Musician- its impossible to FORCE belief on others. So preaching it to the point of people rebelling against it is any better? I DEMAND to know WHY homosexuality is so wrong and forbidden!! Homosexuals are not ruining the world... at least last time i checked they werent. Ive never red the bible. I will admit that. Why? because as a young child i was pretty much forced to go to church, forced to believe this and believe that, but whenever i questioned "why" i was shunned. and told "because the bible says so" or some bull like that. So obviously im not going to throw my faith in the unexplainable. I still dont understand Adam and Eve.... if they created population... is my husband my brother and my cousin? Maybe i think too much. Maybe im just wrong, or ignorant. Whatever it is. I'm not athiest. Im not Catholic. Im not christian. But does that make me a bad person for being a "non-believer" ? Im the same as anyone else. i work, i pay bills, i eat, i sleep. maybe i like chevy, and you like ford. What is the flippin difference. Until someone can give me a goddamn good reason as to WHY this is soooooo bad. does the bible say is so wrong about homosexuality? Please tell me. Id love to know. maybe all these years ive been living in total ignorance. I do live in the woods, town church hasnt been used i dont think in years. I'm only 21. if you can give me a REASON to believe, i might. not because the bible says so, not because is the only way, not because of some judgement day. i guess id need hard proof. but like i said. im sure im just an ignorant non-believer.

Jesus doesn't judge me. It's his followers that do!

With all that's going on in the world can't YOU find better things to focus your energy on. What about those who are going without this holiday season or those who are fighting over seas and can't be home with their loved ones. There is so much more to life then worrying about how others live their lives. God has blessed you with all you have. Others deserve the same in their lives whether you agree with it or not.

It cracks me up when I read about Rev. Bob Emrich. I was a student in his class when he taugh in school. Did he know I was a "sinner" then? No.

Or Rev. Ken Graves, I was at the Chalvary Chapel Church a few weeks ago for an event. Did he know I was a "sinner" then? No.

The real "Sinners" are those who claim to follow the Lord and his beliefs, but only end up hating others for their differences. Yes that may sound judgemental on my part. The world is not black and white, it's full of many colors. We are not living in Biblical Times. We are living in a world of change. Amen.

Elizabethann:

I'm doing fine, thank you.

I've shaved and now have to brush my teeth and shower so I can get grocery shopping in China Town this afternoon.

God is many things to many people and so is sin.

Let us all revel in our individual beliefs and when the day of atonement comes we'll all know who was right and who wasn't.

In the meantime, let other people have their beliefs.

It's really the civil thing to do!

David, It's usually civil.

I've re-read a lot of this, and again, there's a lot of push on Civil Unions. So, I'm going to try this one... more... time.

CIVIL UNIONS DO NOT CARRY THE SAME GUARANTEES UNDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT MARRIAGES DO!!!

let me restate that...

CIVIL UNIONS DO NOT CARRY THE SAME GUARANTEES UNDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT MARRIAGES DO!!!

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf

That document contains a list of 1049 guarantees under the federal government that are extended to MARRIED people. CIVIL UNIONS DO NOT APPLY!!!

Now... again... we must either rewrite federal law to include civil unions under those guarantees, or we must allow same sex couples to wed.

Those are the only choices to offer true equal treatment under the federal force that taxes us equally. So...

If you truly want same sex couples to have civil unions instead of marriages, then we need to raise the money necessary (more taxes, oh goody) to redefine every one of the 1049 legal protections listed in the document I noted above.

There are no other options.

Amazing Grace! It is sad when we know enough scripture to refute it but not enough to be embraced by it. No doubt or argument that scripture has been missused and misshandled throughout history and even today. But I still believe that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Point is, scripture should not be discarded because it has been used irresponsibly. As for the well prepared points posted regarding the Lev. law, I have no argument that they are in the Bible and that they WERE Jewish laws both accepted and practiced by the people of Israel. Not enough time to talk about the reason they were necessary and good here. If you don't believe in God (the God of the Bible), then that is your "God Given" right and any argument for following His laws will sound like insane rantings! If you do believe in "a god", then you will be prone to shape and mold scripture to your liking. If you believe in "God", then you find yourself facing Lev. and feeling unworthy and incapable to either approach Him or to find rest and acceptance from Him... and then came Jesus. Matt. 5:17 "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to FULFILL them." As a believer, I accept that God has a law that I am responsible to follow, and that the only way I can be accepted by a Holy God is by embracing His grace and mercy. Grace does not mean I can go out and sin freely, Grace means that God has made a way for me to overcome my limitations, and should compell me to live a Holy life dedicated to God. As for the specifics of Lev. law, Acts 10 teaches us the transformation from Justice to Grace.

Thanks Ted, I was hoping someone would post that information. So it's not just a matter of "searching and replacing" the word "marriage" with the term "marriage and civil union"?

You're right Mainelyme...freewill. In the end God does have the last word. I just talk out of love....Hope the medical tests went well. I pray that the diagnosis will be correct and the hands of the physicians will be guide by the God. I remembered about your medical tests last week. Hope you will feel better.

anne, sometimes it's more fun when it's uncivil.

Jesus condemned homosexuality after he watched broke back mountain.

Gay marriage sanctioned and administered by the state? God bless all the simple holy men amusing themselves in Orrington with condemnations of this looming threat. In fact, if there is anything worse it has to be the already well established business of the state presiding over heterosexual marriage.

I salute the good pastors in recognizing at least a portion of the problem of church and state pissing in each other's waters. May the grace of God soon inspire them to join me in condemning this abhorrent practice of state-sanctioned heterosexual marriage.

And always remember, boys (you are all boys, aren't you?), God is a comedian whose audience tends to be too damned terrified to laugh.

Stevey leave BBM out of it! My favorite movie....Hey, what was the name of that church were they smoke pot?

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." ROMANS 1:18-32 (NIV)

Elizabethann;

The doctors have done everything they can do for now.

Now it's up to God in the next three months to decide whether I'm going to be able to go swimming again.

Having an appointment in three months makes me feel the doctors think I'm at least going to live that long

Seriously:

Living in New York City gives us access to meeting and knowing an awful lot of people from all over the world.

All of my nurses during my recent stay at the hospital were exceptionally qualified and kind in taking care of me.

I especially enjoyed talking to the one who was from Napal and whose parents had lived in Tibet much higher up the mountain.

We discussed the size if Mount Everest vs the Rockies where she and her young son had also lived.

We discussed Buddhism, Reincarnation, Karma, Meditation through a personal word called a Mantra, Nirvana, the highest level of peaceful awareness, and eating Mountain Goat (Yak meat.)

My mind came out of the hospital in a healthier state for having met so many wonderful people all in one place.

By the way, it was Beth Israel Hospital, and the doctors ranged in all shades of color and religion, including Jewish, Catholic, Prostestant, Buddhist, and all faiths in between

There may have even been a few Atheist and Agnostics, who knows.

Those were the people that I believe were chosen by God to tend to me in my hours of illness, and who am I to argue with success?

I couldn't tell you because my eyes were watering so much and I couldn't see. I'm an emotional guy..

I think it's a genetic defect, such as Down's syndrome or anything else. We should be looking for a cure.

I think the point that everyone seems to be missing is that marriage is a religious ceremony. It is held in a church. The minister pronounces a couple man and wife in the eyes of God. Correct me if I am wrong, but what happened to separation of Church and State? I really believe this should be the real question; not whether or not a couple should be allowed to "marry". If there is a union that is not of God, it should be titled as so: civil union. Marriage is between a man and woman; of God; why is government involved with the Church?

boogyman- did you make it past the 7th grade? or were you born stupid???

They say that dinasours are extinct, but the lapalotapus still walk among us. Interesting

oh and this married in a church thing... crock. i was married in the front yard in a red dress and black leather boots in a snow storm. one year tomorrow. i didnt have a religious wedding.

Religious or civil ceremony? It doesn't matter. Two men or two women are wrong either way!!!

I was talking to my sweet elderly black neighbor in the elevator the other day and was surprised when I mentIoned the floods that are ravaging her native Brazil.

She started ranting about the wickedness of mankind bringing the wrath of God down onto the people of Brazil with oceans of destructive rain.

I've known her for twenty three years now and for some reason all this time I mistakenly thought that she was Catholic!

And one day we will all meet God...everyone of us...regardless of skin color, nationallity, rich or poor, crippled or not. I know that God has given me faith to know Him, love Him, and serve Him. That sometimes scares the dickens out of me because I know that comes with great responsibility. All He asks me to do is to love....but I can't be silent when I know something is not pleasing in the eyes of God. I want others to live in Gods will because I want them knowing true freedom, peace, and fullness in this life and the next.

Boogyman, I'm lost for words. But you could be on to something. That’s my nick name. Some say I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body.

No its not wrong. and still no one has produced a LOGICAL, or REALISTIC reason why its so WRONG, except because of religion.

Thanks vchapes!

You speak wisely.

Brokeback Mountain was an ordinary picture that could have been photographed back in the 50s by following any two guys around with a home movie camera.

It's only redeeming feature was the fact that it told of two young men having an experience that all young men and women have either had or wished they had had.

As I have already said, the director Ang Lee and one of his stars, Anne Hathaway were at a Human Rights Award Dinner at the Waldorf Astoria that I was also at right after I saw the picture in my neighborhood theater.

Mr. Lee got a Human Rights Award for his directing the film but, I got all the admiration from the black tie guests by wearing a white faux fur outfit with gold and rhinestone high heels.

Besides that, it enabled me to eat at the Waldorf Astoria for free.

Sufferrrrrrrrr!

Momma always said stupid is as stupid does. And thats all I got to say about that.

Elizabethann:

And we shall all know God eventually.

I only hope that all of us aren't totally embarrassed when we finally really do.

Well boogyman, i half expected something so intelligent from a person of your class.

proud2beme I follow the lord and his beliefs...I would never hate you..I hate your sin the same way I hate any sin. And you ask did Pastor Ken know you were a sinner when you went to the church event.....EVERYONE is a sinner, you think church is full of saints, we are all sinners. We do not judge you as we have not walked in your shoes. And I feel sad that your opinion of christians are so distorted. I'm sorry your so angry and I'm sorry if any church has made you feel judged. God bless you. In the end we have one person to answer to.

Which probably means when I get to heaven I'll have to wash the dishes but, I've done that before.

I'd be much more ashamed to have to tell God that I was so busy minding other people's business that I didn't take the time to enjoy his beautiful earth.

But, that's a personal belief on my part.

Everyone that believes in GOD maybe a sinner. That's one thing I hate about church, calling everyone a sinner. That's plain bull. Someone who steals, or kills they are the sinners but to call someone a sinner because they look at other women with dirty fantasies is not right. Also most of your religious freaks are closet drinkers too.

And please, don't pray for my sins, real or imagined.

They are doing nicely,you can be assured!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

Well, I'm off to China Town.

I hope no Christians get me along the way!

Vchaps, were those the black leather boots that go all the way up your thigh? Think I'm getting a chubby.

hahahaha no boogyman. they went to my knees.

Gracie,

I'm not angry and certainly didn't mean to give you that impression and no church has made me feel this way. It is humanity, people like the ones on here that are just plain ingnorant that make me feel judged. I do not judge others on their differences and don't want to be judged on mine. You are right when you say we shpuld not judge as we have not walked in others shoes, unfortunately you speak to general about that. Other do judge there for hatred and ingorance grow stronger. Please do not feel sorry for me. I feel blessed and loved in my life. I couldn't ask for anything more. We all have our opinions and like you said in the end we have but one being to answer to some day over that rainbow. God Bless you friend.

Situational ethics is a wonderfully confusing thing isn't it? Our Nation is bearing the fruit of a "what ever I want I will get no matter what" humanistic philosophy. What's right is wrong, and what wrong is right. Kill babies, choice is good. Teach abstinence, choice is bad. Here is my question, if this is a progressive secular society, then where is too far? If we are not supposed to be upset over the obliteration of the definition of marriage, what are we to be upset about? Abortion... "No that's our right!" Gambling..."No that's our business!" Hyper Sexually saturated culture aimed at our children..."No that's censorship!" Be careful of what you wish for... when you want the freedom to make up your own truth, then be prepared for a culture of "might makes right" because it's going to be the strongest who's truth wins out.

I love how some of you people posting above are all about live and let live, believe what ever you want, we should accept everybody no matter what. All of that applies, unless you are a conservative christian. Then what you believe has to be hateful, evil, or maybe according to some you are even a Nazi. If I choose to believe the Bible and try to live my life based on it then why don't I get that free pass to believe and feel whatever you want? Some of you believe having gay marriage is good for the country. Some people such as myself, believe that it would be harmful for the country. Why shouldn't people that believe as I or the pastors mentioned above be able to work and raise money to promote a stand that they believe will be good for the country. The people that feel different can do the same, and on some level it will end up coming to a vote, in the form of a referrendom or through the congress. The majority opinion of the country prevail. Isn't that the way? What is so evil about working for what you believe? And why is it the "believe what you want" crowd doesn't extend that to Christians.

Easy natural answer to the question of right or wrong of homosexuallity.

Take away the Spiritual/Religious considerations.

Take away the absolute truth discussion.

Consider us not much more than upright apes with hair cuts...

If we were 2 tribes,

One heterosexual, and the other homosexual,

Centuries passed,

which tribe would flourish and survive?

Now this has become way too addictive! God bless.

Yet again.... duckwa... WHY is gay marriage so BAD for the country!?! maybe i need to start drawing pictures in order to get a straight answer.... the bush is starting to get a worn trial around it...... maybe we should just pave it since everyone loves beating around the damn thing

In America today it is not illegal to be a fornicator, an idolater, an adulterer, a male pro--- (oops... wait a second... I think that one is still illegal in some states) OR a homosexual. After all, how would we ever enforce morality? But now... now we are going to allow the "unjust" to have "rights". Seems wrong some how.

1Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that unjust ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,

duckwa, can you say "fun da ment al ist"?

Strapless dress?

Mainelyme, if you didn't have access to the divine institution of Confession, don't you imagine you would have been struck down by lightning by now? Or at least drizzled upon?

See the addiction to this posting got me again!

Why would homosexual marriage be so harmful to our nation? We ban smoking in cars for our children's sakes, but we want to teach them that sex doesn't define them or place any responsibillities upon them. Make marriage open, and it opens for all. Ask NAMBLA if they feel that relationships between consenting adults and children are wrong. Who are you to judge their morallity? What about any and every other possible perverted definition of sexual relationship that ccan be thought up, who are any of us to judge? Well, thank God that there are still a few willing to stand up and say this is wrong, God is right, and we will promote His love and mercy to all who will freely receive.

nope. sleeveless

man it's getting hot in here

hahahah! pervert!

Wait a minute, I think we've established who the perverts are here, and it ain't me

Although my GF is a bit freaky if you know what I mean

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There are no longer any reasons--only sentimentality--for the state to marry anybody, no more so than the state should license people to go steady.

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So we should abolish state sponsored marriage and be done with all debate, and face fully the price of the changes to our society in the last 50 years.

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This is unfortunate and unnatural, and a society without marriage, and the good reasons for marriage, is weakened for it. This is one of the reasons our civilization is declining, as all civilizations have declined throughout history.

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Think not?

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Then ask yourself if any society--no matter it's invention and production of technical gadgetry . . .

If any society that produces people so perverse and demoralized they too incompetent to replace their own numbers through reproduction, let alone increase their number, is an advanced and strong society?

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A society that must import immigrants raised in traditional societies, in order to obtain people inclined to form families and have children, is a society that has filled the minds of its natural born citizens with trash until that's all they know and expect, and is a failed society.

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Mainelyme....you just gave a perfect example that nothing good can come out of the homo-sexual lifestyle. Brokeback Mountain. Here is an extremely talented, handsome young man. Heath Ledger was one of the most talented actors to come out of Hollywood in years. He was comparable to some of the greats. He makes this movie and dies from a drug overdose. Whether or not the drug overdose or intentional we'll never know. One of his close friends in an interview said Heath was never the same after making that movie. It turned his life upside down. That is so sad. He could have had a great career and this movie is what he will mostly be remembered by.

TurkeyTalker

We're not talking about two seperate cultures.

We're talking about to parts of one whole.

Are you really that far gone?

we have? who are they?

The only reason for gay marriage is so that they can have a partner and have the same rights as anyone else. If their life partner is in the hospital they are denied information, they can be denied access to visiting a loved one. Its bullshit. And it is time for people to stop sticking their noses into everyones business.

The trouble with "Christians" is most of you are hypocrits. They are up on their high horse passing judgment and morality. You basically worship false gods because you put people like Gerry Farwell, the Bakers, etc. on a pedistal like they God on earth. Well they aren't and either are you. There is one force, person, God, whatever you want to refer to that we will all answer to. We don't need to answer to anyone on earth unless we hurt someone else and then the courts will take care of it.

Um...the Butt burglars...remember....the whole point of the article. Or am I getting you so hot you forgot?

Kate123... you HAVE IT!

"The only reason for gay marriage is so that they can have a partner and have the same rights as anyone else."

BINGO... Give that gal a prize! This is about guarantees (rights) to all taxpayers EQUALLY. It is not about some individuals idea of morality, which is where the christians get stuck.

Oh, and vchapes, I was referring to hetro/homo groups for the sake of our simpleminded christian neighbors. I know, I know... oversimplification. But considering what TurkeyTalker (WTF is that anyway... sounds perverse) it's about his/her level.

I will never put any human being on a pedestal. There is no one who walked the earth who is equal to God.

As a parent, if my daughter were to become pregnant and wanted an abortion, I would not have to be notified. Where are my rights as a parent? All these things are webbed together. Imorality goes into every aspect of our lives. When does it stop?

thats mean boogyman. how do u know im not a man and now ur gettin all hot and botherd over me in knee high leather boots? hows that one throw ya?

Bow before the divine wisdom of the all mighty "tedlick"?!? After all, he knows what truth is...it is what ever he wants it to be. O wait, what if someone else has an opinion on that... they must be stoopid, ignorant, hate mongers! No stuck Christian here, my faith and feet are firmly placed on a Truth that is eternal. With out that, hope you are good at hitting a moving target of morallity, or if that word is too religious for you, hope your allmighty wisdom can lead a civilization through the fog of what is acceptable. Hey, I said all that without having to swear, or even demean my critic. I must really be a simple minded christian neighbor!

Sound interesting...now thow in a midget and I think we might have something interesting going.......

im not fond of midgets. i have a phobia.

Why, do you have to look up at a midget? Midgets do have a height advantage in some ways.

ive never looked "up" at a midget.

Hope the Southern Poverty Law Center takes note.

Obviously these folks don't know what they are taking about. The biblical form of marriage was one man and as many women as he could feed plus as many concubines as he could bother. Now the human haters, the self-destructive loonies simply have never accepted and can't accept the simple fact that all sex is always good between concenting adults, concenting teenagers, and now because of our obesity creating food industry among concenting pre-teens as the story on birth control implies.

To use the Bible which has been edited, re-written, and "correected" to purge it of any reality and to suit the religious politicians PR line as authority on anything other than the political machinations of the churches is absurd. You might as well use the collected speeches of William Jenings Bryan.

God for the lack of a better word is mans way of explaining the unexplainable....when bad oor good things happen it was because of the gods aka god

the book that so of you thump so handily...is nothing more than the writtings of men who claimed to have been inspired by god..If man wrote the book then the book is flawed....because we all know that man is flawed...the bible has and will be change as the leaders of christianty see fit..I am the way the truth and the light and WHO ever believes in me shall not die but have lasting life...anybody that thinks homosexuals are that way because they what to be is wrong! They can't help the way they are anymore then you can....God is love

Some of the extreme comments here regarding interpretations of morality remind me of the phrase "Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Victory."

Quite frankly, I don't trust the self restraint of religious fundamentalists. They always go too far.

"Price of Freedom"

- Yeah, it's been a long day.

Vchapes, in answer to your question. I just believe that the family unit of a mother and father is best for children and by extention for the country. I feel the influence of both a man and a woman in a family make for a more well rounded person. And yes I know about divorce. It is a bigger threat to the country then gay marriage. People go into marriage nowadays planning to get out when it suits their fancy, instead of working through the hard times. That lack of commitment is also damaging. My only point was to the people implying that to believe how I do is some how mean or evil. Its just how I believe.

Kate, let me see if I have this correctly. Christians are bad, because you feel they are too judgemental. Then you make sterotypical judgements about "most" Christians and what they believe and how they treat people. I think you really need to ask yourself who is being hypocritical.

Elizabethann:

The only curse on Heath Ledger was the fact that Brokeback Mountain brought him so much sudden fame that he was just too young and too inexperienced to handle it.

Anne Hathaway and Jake Gylenhal both had fathers who were well known in the movie industry as directors, and having grown up in show business they knew how to handle it.

Frankly my dear, I feel his biggest mistake was allowing that woman who played his wife in the picture to talk him into a marriage and supposed parentnhood that he also wasn't ready for.

I'm the person who gave up the movie industry when I was 23 years old because I wouldn't have sex with all the people that wanted sex with me in order for them to put me on the stage and in pictures.

The sex came first with them, my stage and movie career came second.

I went back to Bangor, Maine and I feel I did everything in my life that a movie star has done, and I didn't have to prostitute myself to anybody.

And by the way, I'm 68 years young now and I'm stiill turning down offers from young and old alike.

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

David889327:

I go to confession everytime I speak to God through prayer.

And that's just about every minute of the day and night.

I've been struck down by lighting several times in my long life, and with the help of God I got right up and walked away from it.

As for being drizzeled on, people just do that to me once and then they get the blast of a full torrential downpour!

We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and powers of evil. We see that the gay and lesbian political agenda is not from men and women but from the devil. It is a spiritual force--a force of evil--and can only be countered by a greater spiritual force, the Spirit of God.

The gay and lesbian political agenda is impolite. It enters by violence into our hearts and our minds. They force us to listen to them from morning to night. Everyday we hear, "Homosexuality is Good!, Homosexuality is Good! Homosexuality is Good!" and "Christians are hateful!, Christians are criminals!" and so on. It is like brain washing. They do it through their schools, radio, newspapers, posters, music, movies, every where we turn. We have to listen continuously to their godless propaganda whether we like it or not.

But Jesus Christ, he respects our freedom. He gently knocks at the door of our hearts. He does not barge through like an uninvited guest. Just as the first Christians organized their own Underground Churches, the coming of power of this gay and lesbian political agenda and the inevitable betrayal of many official church leaders will eventually compel us to likewise create an Underground Church: one faithful to evangelize, preach the gospel, and reach children for Christ. If this gay and lesbian political agenda gains enough momentum all of this will become forbidden or illegal.

Those who are orchestrating this gay and lesbian political movement skillfully use the means of seduction toward Christ's Church, his bride. The language of love and the language of seduction are the same. The one who wishes a girl for a wife and the one who wishes her for only one night both say the words, "I love you." Jesus has told us to discern between the voices of seducers and the voice of love, his voice. We are to know the wolves clad in sheepskin from the real sheep. Unfortunately, many priests, pastors, and ministers do not know how to discern between the two voices.

On 12/3/08 at 02:22 PM, johnhileman wrote:

1Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that unjust ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, )

nor male prostitues, nor Homosexuals what?

Finish the sentence.

You must have made that one up out of whole cloth.

I never heard that one in the eighth row back in Saint John's Cathoilc Church on York Street in Bangor, Maine before.

I doubt the priests would even be able to say that with a serious face.

I know if they did then they wouldn't have gotten my two quarters; one for each collection.

Mainelyme, does God talk back? What does he say?

>>>>>The Rev. Buddy Gough, pastor of the Newport Church of God, urged the group to reach out to the Catholic<<<<<<< Ahhhhh yes I can see Ken Graves reaching out to the Catholic's.........He preaches to his flock or rather to his cult AGAINST Catholicism!! He has made mention that all Catholic's will burn in hell because they all worship and pray to statues! He has preached about Catholics wearing a crucifix instead of a cross! How he refers to the Catholic mass as ritualistic !!!! I have even had the displeasure of working with people from his cult and they pass along the same garbage that he pukes out quite often...........and I am sure that he isn't the only one out of that group that preaches against Catholic's..............and they want to reach where for what?????.........Oh I see............for self serving purposes.............NICE!!!!!!!

Besides, innocent young children go to Catholic Mass and nobody would want them exposed to such filthy language.

While we're on the subject;

When are you Bible thumpers all going to come back to the true church that Jesus' deciples founded with the aid of Paul who was Saul who was a Jewish man who was a much hated tax collector for the Romans?

The Holy Roman Catholic Church in Rome with its Pious Leader The Sainted Pope Gregory is the only church that is officially recognized by Our Lord and Savior Jesus H. Christ and all the newly formed sects are just fallen away Holy Roman Catholics who chose to keep the collection money for themselves and to worship a God invented by a desident like that Kraught Martin Luther, and that wife killing whore master Henry The Eigth.

I'm sure you can well imagine what I really think about your lesser dim lights who have led all of you onto the path of self righteousness that will doom your black black souls forever to burn in the eternal raging fires of Hell!

Pack a heathens!

Amen!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainely

On 12/3/08 at 05:21 PM, David889327 wrote:

"Mainelyme, does God talk back? What does he say?"

He gives me things that make people so jealous of me that it's only from the goodness of my soul that I make sure I share with others of lesser trust and faith.

"And He walks with me

And He talks with me,

And He tells me I am His own.

And the joys we share,

As we tarry there.

None other has ever known!"

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

Mainelyme,....................................................................... never mind, not worth it. You have a good night and take your medicine when the nice man asks you to, ok?

kate123 you speak your opp but i shouldn't speak mine?

Men ask me, "How is it that a God of love permits triumph of evil?"

It likewise would not have been easy for the apostles to preach Christ on good Friday, as Jesus died on the cross crying, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

But the fact the work continued to bear fruit proves that it was from God and not from us. The Christian faith has an answer to such questions.

For instance, Jesus told us about Lazarus, a poor beggar, oppressed as we are oppressed--dying, hungry, his wounds being licked by dogs--but in the end, angels took him to Abraham's bosom.

Mainelyme, maybe it's best not to get into the topic of Catholic Mass and young children...

The Jews have a legend that, when their forefathers were saved from Egypt and the Egyptians drowned in the Red Sea, the angels joined the songs of triumph sung by the Israelites. And God said to the angels, "The Jews are men and can rejoice about their escape. But from you I expect more understanding. Are the Egyptians not also my creatures? Do I not love them, too? How do you fail to feel my sorrow about their tragic fate?"

Joshua 5:13 says, "And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with his sword drawn in His hand, And Joshua went to Him and said to Hi, 'Are You for us or for our adversaries?'"

If the one met by Joshua had been only a man, the answer could have been "I am for you" or "I am for your adversaries," or even "I am neutral." These are the only possible human responses to such a question. But the Being whom Joshua met was sent from the Lord and, therefore, when asked whether He was for or against Israel, gave an answer that is most unexpected and difficult to understand: "No." What does "no" mean?

He came from a place where beings are not for or against, but where everyone and everything are understood, looked upon with pity and compassion, and loved with fire.

There is the human level on which those of the gay and lesbian political movement must be fought against. On this level we fight against supporters of their ideals.

But Christians are more than mere men and women, they are children of God, partakers of the divine nature. Therefore, abuses and slanders toward me made by people of these groups have not made me hate them. They are God's creatures; how can I hate them? But neither can I be their friend. Friendship means one soul in tow breasts. I am not one soul with the gay and lesbian agenda and its supporters. They hate the notion of God. I love God.

Therefore, my goal is to spread the gospel to homosexuals, to give them the good news about Christ, who is my Lord and loves them.

He has said Himself that He loves every man and woman and that he would rather leave ninety-eight righteous sheep than allow the one that went astray to remain lost.

The bible is how people lived over 2000 years ago! ....This is 2008 folks, not the year 8 ....the ten commandments is a good way to live and they are good principles...organized religion is, for the most part, for folks who cannot think or form ideas for themselves...they need someone else to tell them how to live their lives...Just be a good person, doing something each day to make the world a better place even if small.....I was raised catholic, came from a loving/middle class family, have two brothers who are straight...they didn't chose to be straight and I didn't chose to be gay, I was born that way!....who would chose to be gay with all the BS you have to deal with in todays society?? My parents have been together 36 years, love me the way I am, and don't feel my being gay was in any way their fault. They are both so disheartened with the catholic church at this point and so am I...I am almost ashamed to call myself a christian sometimes....Once you open your heart, love will find its way in ! :-)

Thank you duckwa! Next question, if gays were allowed marriage, yet not the ability to adopt would that change your opinion? No matter what gays willl be gay, live together and love one another marriage or not. Wht not allow them this? What if. YOUR son or daughter announced they were gay??? Would you shun them? Turn your back to them? Look down upon them? NO! They are your flesh and blood no matter what they way they live their life! The same with your mother, father, brother OR sister! I was raised by two lesbians, my grandmother and her partner, as was my mother raised. That does not automatically make me nor my mother gay! I believe homosexuality can be born or acquired. ALSO, I'm far from religeous, but my father is a pastor, yet not a homphobic. Nor is he perfect. He was 18 when I was born, he's divorced.... Twice, and one was a lesbians dauhgter!! Oh no! I don't see gays pushing you to be gay! Oh one more thing, most men have a wild fantasy of being with 2 women but are against gays. Hmmmmmmmm!

geepah25 :

Like me you had good parents.

That was the best start that God can give anybody in this world.

Don't ever lose your faith in God as these are merely people talking!

Piotre:

How kind of you.

I've made friends with all sorts of people in Central Park including gays, straights, homeless derelicts, ex cons, drug pushers and alcohol and drug abusers of all races, and levels of life.

Admittedly, I've turned in the real hardened criminals who are out to hurt others, but that's in hopes they will become solid citizens, and stop threatening the well being of others who are otherwise defenseless.

I've also been responsible for having a few less than honorable policemen taken off the force while I made friends with the cops who were rightfully performing their legal duties.

I'd never want to have your attitude of picking and chosing who I befriended as that would make for a very dull narrow minded life, and that's not what I feel I was put here on earth for.

Also, all of the aforementioned people were created by the same God who created me, and to deny them would be to deny myself and the creator of all of us.

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

David889327:

It's a fact of life that there are bad people in this world.

I've never experienced anything wrong with catholic priests but, then again I had good parents who provided a good home for me, and so I didn't hang around the church much.

I also learned to say no in a clear loud voice very early in life to anyone who tried to invade my privacy,

It's up to parents to teach their children and that arms them from any harm that will try to befall them while they are away from home.

Now, would you like to have me tell you about the so called married ministers of all these cults who have had sexual affairs with the female church(no pun intended) organists?

Children can be forgiven for being innocent but, grown women should know better!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

And that includes grown men, too!

DUCKWA as usual you rock..... the majority will prevail..

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On 12/3/08 at 11:26 AM, Diana22 wrote:

REALLY TIKITORCH?? you go from marrying another human to marrying your dog. take it easy there with your lame rhetoric. you sound like a moron.

. My point is where does it end with special interests, I am not calling you a moron for your beliefs.. why do you have to be so mean? I guess someone pissed in your Cheerios his morning!

duckwaSweetiei

I will but, I won't have to have the arms of my jacket untied in the back in order to do it!

I just checked out the Calvary Chapel website, where their motto is "Where God's word is central"...really...how? I want to hear God's word...what does he sound like? I want to hear him speak!! I love all these nuts who say they prayed and then say "God was very clear that this is what I was supposed to do"....how so...did he send you a post card? Ken Graves preached about the evils of Obama getting elected and all his followers prayed for him to lose, but he won....why? BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOD....stop spreading hate and bigotry in the name of something that doesn't exist!

Sorry Mainelyme. Here is the rest of the scripture. Perhaps, being that you are Catholic, you have not read.

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that unjust ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,

1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous ones, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor plunderers shall inherit the kingdom of God.

All of us are guilty of one or more of these sins. At the very least covetousness. But thankfully, we can lay our sins at the foot of the cross. God has pardoned us through the sacrifice of his son. But to claim the pardon, we must turn from these things, and put our trust in Christ.

Were you born gay? Perhaps. I was born to be some of the things on this list too, but I turned from them to serve the only one who can bring the pardon for my sin. Without Christ, I will stand trial for sins I have committed (no matter how small they seem to me). And, no amount of good deeds can wash away the wrong deeds.

If a pedophile were to stand trial, it would not matter to me how much good he had done in the community. All that would matter is that he had done the one wrong for which he was on trial. Make no mistake. We will all go on trial before God. I pray that your sins are washed clean before your case comes to court.

duckwa:

How do you type with your arms encased in a straightjacket, with your nose?

Or do you have a voice activated feature that types as you talk?

Impossible, as even computers have to be able to understand what is being said!

johnhileman

Oh, my God.

According to you and the Corinthiians there won't be anyone in heaven.

If you would go to a recognized church of worship instead of reading a black book out in the backhouse you'd know that Letters of Paul to the Romans and the Corinthians are all that's ever read at Sunday Mass.

It's not too late for you to become baptised into The Faith.

The Catholic Church can use your money, too!

johnhileman:

My life is none of your business and that's just what this whole argument is all about.

As for you, get yourself a nice male partner and hope to hell that same sex marriage is legalized so you can inherit his social security benefits.

Then you won't have to worry that, "Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that cometh from the mouth of the Lord."

According to what I have been reading today God must have a very dirty mouth!

Thanks for illuminating this thread John. I guess we can definiely see the wisdom and truth of Mat 10:16. For those of you who don't know it or can't be bothered to look up scriptures you have questions about, I think it will suffice to assume you do not care so I will follow the wisdom of Mat 7:6.

CalyPso:

Care to elaborate?

My poor old eyes are tired from being out enjoying a beautiful God created sunny day and being nice to everyone along the way.

Does Mat 10:16 and 7:10 say to do your own thing and leave other people's thing alone?

I would like to respond to what CandyofBrewer wrote about Mary Magdalene. Yes, Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone" and the crowd departed. However, you failed to post what Jesus said after the crowd departed. He said, "Go forth and sin no more." Jesus came to the world to save the sinners from their sin. Where in the Bible is being gay okay? Jesus loves the sinner and hates the sin, as so many posters have put on here. It's plain and simple, no questions asked. Christians do not, I repeat, do not hate gays! We love them as we love the whore, the murderer, the adulterer, etc. We hate sin with a passion. Look at the state our world is in because of sin. However, our mission is to bring as many people to Christ as we can before we depart this world. A part of this mission is to speak out against sin! We cannot and will not condone any sin. We don't just speak out against gays, we speak out against pornography, adultery, and many, many more sins. Judge Christians as much as you like, my friends, but that does not change that we still love you. Please stop mistaking our purpose though. God bless, and may you all come to know the love of Christ our Lord and Savior who loves you more than you'll ever know. :-)

Mainelyme - no, not really and no, they don't. You only want to know so you can twist and contort it into something oh so clever and spiteful. If you can read these posts you can certainly read a bible.

bobby56m...not quite sure I'm buying the logic. So, Jesus loves us all, yet if we don't live by his rules he'll banish us to hell to burn for eternity...I'm not feeling the love. I guess the biggest difference between myself and the rest of you nuts in here is that I believe in science and you believe in boogey men. You were created by an invisible man and I was created by my parents having intercourse.

CalyPso:

Read the Bible?

I saw the movie!

goingnorth....Jesus loves you, but hates your sin. Just as much as he hates my sin, and everyone elses sin. When you ask forgivness for your sins, you are washed by the blood of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross 2000 years ago, his sacrifice was for our sins so that we wouldn't have to go to hell. You need only ask for His forgivness. You may not feel the love that Jesus has to offer, but what about the hate that satan has for you? He has been decieving man since the fall. Which do you prefer, the free gift and love that Jesus offers to you, or the hate that satan has for you. The only thing satan has on his mind is your eternal damnation. The only thing Jesus has on His mind is your salvation. He loves you and nothing will ever change that, no matter how much you may hate Him. Oh, and btw, what has science offered you in your life? Love, salvation? I think not.

People, please, no one wins an aguement when it comes to religion, sexual preferance or politics. Each has their own thoughts and believes. This thread is a no win discussion. Put it to rest. Drop it, please.

bobby65m...go back to your cult and preach your garbage to rest of the mindless hacks you associate with.

CalyPso:

I'm reading these posts with the shades drawn and the lights out, and a blanket over my head hoping that God won't see that I'm reading these posts.

And now you want me to read a book like the one all of you have been describing today?

Why, surely I'd burn in Hell.

And with all of you there I wouldn't be in very good company either.

Besides, I'm trying to keep my mind pure for the Holy Roman Catholic Resurrection.

I just read the front page of the New York Times and it said a conservative faction of the Episcopal Church has now become a splinter group because of a disagreement with the main church over their ordaining gay Episcopal Priests.

There's the chance for all of you holy rollers to join a recognized Christian Denomination that's close to the real church that Jesus sanctioned Peter to build.

But, don't trip over Anne Bolyn's severed head on your way to the altar!

Matthew 7:13-14 (NKJV)

13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

2 Timothy 4:1-5 (ASV)

1 I charge thee in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

2 preach the word; be urgent in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts;

4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables.

5 But be thou sober in all things, suffer hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil thy ministry.

Did you know that King James of Bible fame was a Flamingly Gay Queen?

Of course, you do.

It takes one to know one!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

Mainelyme...Was King James the author of the Bible? No. Great men of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote the Bible. We are very fortunate today to have the Word of God in our hands.

This is an extremely interesting article. Not that I found interest in the substance of the article.. yet I am perplexed to see that this local group has traded in their KKK robes for Clergy robes. I supposed hatred is validated when it is done in the name of God.

The problem with this group of "Christians" is that they are hypocrites. They bully their ideas to uneducated, programmed robots stating that their claim on gay marriage is against the word of god. They can quote both the old and the new testament with scripture that outlines that marriage is between a man and a woman. This has been singled out of the book and mistranslated and perverted by many Religious leaders... and therefore mimicked by their congregations of puppets.

Religion is a "cafeteria plan". It is a major incongruity for this group of bigots to use the bible to justify their hatred for our gay brothers and sisters. The bible cannot be taken literally. It is impossible. The book contradicts itself many many many times. Of course, it was written by man and we know man is not perfect. Therefore, pastors pick small pieces of the bible to create fear and uncertainty to keep their robots loyal.. therefore it is a cafeteria plan.. and they don't point out the rest of the bible cause I'm sure their uneducated crowds would be rather confused.

If pastors are going to join together to preach hated about gay marriage, then there are a few other areas of the bible I would like to see them stand strong on. For example, Exodus 21:7 states that a man can put his daughter into slavery at a cost and she cannot go free like the men can. These pastors should be pushing the market value on these girls. And on Sundays after church, they should stand outside the mall and stop people from working, as Exodus 35:2 states they will be put to death if they work on the sabbath. If we're going to stop gay people from marrying, the we need to stop people from working on Sunday too. And as Leviticus 11:6 states that touching the skin of a pig makes you unclean, then I would like to see these pastors putting up some signs in the crowd at football games. And don't forget, the pros are working on Sunday too! And lastly, Leviticus 15: 19-24 CLEARLY explains how a woman is states that a woman is allowed no contact with during her menstrual period. I would LOVE to see these pastors start preaching on the doorsteps of businesses preaching for these woman to go home in seclusion while they are having their period. I'm sure that will be welcomed!!

So if you are going to use your pulpits to teach hatred because of a very small piece you took from the bible.. then please use all of the book and give all scripture equal hatred. And to all you robots and puppets.. remember the Separation of Church and Faith does not taint you, and will put a little more money in your pockets.

PastorTom:

And the Bible says that " it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

With every poor snook's tithings weighing down your pockets do all of you holy men think that you'll be able to squeeze through?

bobby56m;

No, dear;

She only edited it!

you must still be layed up mainelyme...you have been on here all day...haha

I love reading all these views!! It amazes me! I've also learned a lot about the bible! Thanks! But its interfering with me watching stylista! Lol! Can't wait to read more later

Maybe BDN should open a chatroom!

onelove...Sorry to see you feel that way. To say we're all uneducated and following the teaching of our pastors is wrong. Many christians like myself study the Word of God on a daily basis. It is not the pastors who are making us loyal. It is the Lord Jesus Christ. I don't follow the teachings of a man, but the teachings of the Lord. You can say God is wrong all you want, but what does that change? Does it make you feel better at night? I certainly fall asleep at night with peace, knowing that I serve a real Lord and Savior who has washed my sins away.

Mainelyme, I see you have something against tithing. You forget the the Bible tells us to give 1/10 of our earnings to the church. I'm not giving because man is telling me to give, I'm obeying the Lord.

And as far as your comment about King James goes, the Bible was translated into english because of him. Disrespect him all you want, but that doesnt change the fact that he did us all a huge favor. God bless.

No matter how you wrap up the group, this religious frenzy against gay, lesbian, secular, Islamic, Hindu, etc, etc, etc, is nothing more than the American Taliban wrapping itself in the Bible and hiding behind a cross. Any group that takes a religious belief that stress love, peace and harmony and use it to hound, harrass and humiliate a single segment of society along with any other belief system that does not agree with them is a cancer on the soul of the human race. To call yourself Christian is laughable, pathetic and essentially a blasphemy of your own beliefs. Look inward and find peace, not outward and spread hate.

dandlmom:

It only seems that way.

I've been over to 34th Street to the 99 cent store shopping (didn't buy a thing as I've been told there's a recession on) I've cooked and eaten dinner, read the New York Times and posted several comments there, and now I'm waiting for the Bangor Daily News Obituaries to come out.

I've had a full day and have also found out which way the wind is(pardon the expression) blowing in Northern and Eastern Maine as regards to same sex civil unions/marriage.

Did I tell you that I'm writing ten related movie scripts about same sex civil union/marriage?

I've got 6 finished and copyrighted in the United States Library of Congress, and four more almost finished.

I have a management company sending the finished ones out to movie producers and production companies free of charge, and I'm praying like heck that I sell them soon because just as soon as same sex civil unions/marriages become the law of the land my scripts will have turned into historical movies.

I'm not afraid of that happening because even as historical films they'll still be quite intelligently entertaining.

Besides, I don't want all of these holier than thou semi literates who call themselves preachers to make all the money on this change in the United States Laws!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

bobby56m:

I guess it makes a difference whether or not you're a top or a bottom!

mickey04430...Christians don't target gays only. We fight against any sin. Look at what our country promotes. Adult video stores, bars, look at how many people get away with murder, look at how hollywood has become a god to so many people. Look at the kind of movies that come out today that promote sex, revenge, adultery, etc. Look at the sadistice movies that come out like SAW (is that series still going?), and look how these movies succeed. The list goes on. I hate sin in any form. I struggle with it daily, we all do. Our country is slowly trailing away from her christian roots.

Thankfully, God is a forgiving God--but He will only forgive those who seek it.

bobby56m - I'm in a bar now...I don't see any sin. I've been in an adult movie store and I didn't see any sin. Who are you to judge these people who go into bars and adult video stores? Is it not their right to watch whatever they choose? How is SAW sin? Are you not intelligent enough to distinguish from reality and fantasy and enjoy a story...oh wait, you're not becuas you believe in God.

I thnk you guys need to stop being so gay. like seriously you guys are being really really gay. Gay is not ok. Its adam and eve not adam and steve because if it was that would be really gay and no one would exist, not even the flaming homosexuals. well they arent flaming yet but when they die, oh you can count on it.

stephen - last time I looked we all evolved from apes, not sure why you need to bring adam and steve into this....

Mainelyme, I see you have something against tithing. You forget the the Bible tells us to give 1/10 of our earnings to the church. I'm not giving because man is telling me to give, I'm obeying the Lord."

That has to be the most brainwashed statement that I have ever read.

Of course the Bible tells you to give a tenth of your earnings to the church.

It was the church that wrote the Bible.

And don't forget it was the King's English that King James translated the Bible into.

If you'll send your banking information I know a company in Afganistan who is looking to send you billions of dollars that you have inherited.from a very distant relative.

They need several thousand dollars cash to prepare the papers to wire all this money to you upon receipt of your goodwill payment.

You can give these billions of dollars to your meeting house,too!

Is there any place in the Bible that says, "A fool and his money are soon parted?"

Of course not.

They don't want you to catch on to their scam!

goingnorth....What you see as entertainment, I see as sin. I don't have anything against people that go to bars, and I've already stated, I hate the sin not the sinner. How many times to people go to bars, spend most of their paycheck, then forget most of their night? Adult movie stores, it's okay to watch another woman and man have sex? Imagine what that girls mother or father would think if they saw that woman selling her body for sex. I am intelligent enough to distinguish reality from fantasy, however, how is some sadistic serial killers game entertainment? That's right I believe in God, and that's why I see this stuff as sin. I do no judge the people who do these things, as they are sinners who can be saved just as myself. However, I judge the things they do because it's sin, and I'll state it again, I hate the sin not the sinner. God bless.

StephenColbert:

I'm sure your burning ass will be keeping all of Hell warm!

Mainelyme...What you see as mans writing, I see as Gods writing. That's the difference here. I believe I'm obeying Gods word, you believe I'm obeying something the church wrote. This life is only temporary, we can't take what we earn here with us when we die, can we? Therefore, there's nothing wrong with me believing I'm giving my money back to God. It's not coming with me when I die! :-)

We are all sinners. I'm sure most people sin on a regular basis. But what I understand is its OK to sin because if you go to confession, or church then those sins are forgiven.... Correct? But isn't this issue about GAY MARRIAGE???

bobby56m, if you're not loyal to a pastor then why do you go to church? And to your comment to Mainelyme.. if you're allegedly obeying the lord by giving so much to the church, then why do so many pastors live above their means? I'd love to be able to post pictures of many pastors houses in this area who live in some of the nicest houses around. And I have been in congregations where members are on welfare because they feel their "calling" was to keep birthing children. But I'd like you to challenge my belief that religion is a cafeteria plan. I never called God wrong.. I call people wrong.. especially Religion (which is man's interpretation of God). If pastors are going to pick apart certain pieces of the bible, why are other areas excluded? why aren't people burning a slain bull at the alter to create a pleasing odor for god (Lev 1)? And why aren't women secluded from contact during their period? So if you're not following God's word on those as well, then who are you to judge what is ok and not ok to follow if every line of scripture is indeed God's word? Are you the person to check with to see what scriptures are more of an abomination than others if ignored?

Thank you preachers and pastors who stand up to this .You are a light in this dark world.This is sin to live this lifestyle.

mainelyme:

So you are saying you believe in Hell. So since you believe in Hell, you believe in God. If you believe in God then you believe in the ability to choose to be straight and not gay. Because you believe in God, you believe in the values of the Bush administration. Thank you for supporting our President.

vchapes....Just because we're forgiven of our sin doesn't mean it's okay to go around sinning. Christians have standards. We abide by what Gods word says. It gives us instructions on how to live. Of course no one can live a perfect life though. We only stive to live as best we can. This issue is about gay marriage, but what I've been trying to point out to everyone is that Christians hate the sin, not the sinner. Too many people think we're targeting gays just because. No, we as christians hate all sin. We're standing up for what we believe in. God bless.

Doesn't the Bible say something about if your right eye offends you then pluck out your right eye and cast it from you?

If you get a really good look at sin then you can pluck and chuck both eyes and you'll never have to see sin again.

That should make everyone happy!

Mainelyme,

I had a friend who was openly gay and had AIDS (a normal friendship, not gay - not as you suggested of me in your last statement). I was friends with him before I knew who the Lord was and even after I came to know the Lord personally. We often times would discuss a lot of the same scriptures mentioned in this post very openly and calmly. Please don't think I was preaching at him because he was gay - he had a number of other issues besides being gay. Drinking, drug usage, foul language, lust, and list could go on and on... a number of the same issues that plagued my life with the exception of being gay. All of which just left when I accepted the Lord. I had come to the understanding that sin was sin regardless to what name it has and I had become very concerned about his spiritual being and I told him that. In the days just before he died, he admitted knowing what he was doing was morally wrong but just couldn't overcome the feeling he had when he got his first kiss from a girl. With the broken homes and families, torn government, moral decay in America, lack of fear and reverence for the deity of the Christian faith on which this once great nation was founded, he didn't have a daddy to help explain his feelings. I had talked to him about it and he came to the conclusion it was simply nerves. The scripture that impacted him the most, yet not enough to repent, was Romans 1:24-32

Romans 1:24-32 (NKJV)

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

My friend died a horrible death - but what I remember the most was the horror that filled his face just before passing. Being a pastor - I have seen a number of people leave this earth, but never like his passing. And concerning King James - he had 100's of Biblical scholars work on the translation with the constant reminder that they would be put to death for misinterpreting the scripture. Hardly politically correct but certainly quality work. Being gay is not the only sin that sends people to hell (hell is a choice - our Father in heaven will protect your choice just as He does mine not to go there!). The Bible also says that to him who knows to do good and doesn't - to him that is sin. I just thank my Father in heaven who thought so much of me, and saw me in the traps of life I had gotten myself into, sent His Son to die for my sins. Please don't take this as an attack against you, reading the Bible clearly shows that before the destruction of Nations and even the world - sexual perversion was evident like it is in our day. Jesus is coming soon!

Can I open a church, become a hypocrite, brainwash my friends and demand 1/10 of their income? I'm pretty broke.....

StephenColbert

You really are a closet case aren't you?

bobby56m - I have many gay friends. They do not choose to be gay, they are born that way. If you God creates all men as you contend what does that mean? Didn't God create them gay? You, your god and your believes are total hogwash.

goingnorth:

Being gay is a choice. Prove me wrong, scientists cant do that even though they have spent tons of money trying to, but in the end all they have is theory. Human history has taught us that being gay is just another stupid decision that people make. Choices have consequences like AIDS, and Hell fire.

PastorTom

"Jesus is coming soon!"

And you won't allow ordinary men to do the same?

Apple Is Pro-Gay Marriage, So If You Own An Ipod Touch, You Better Be Thinking About What It's Been Touching. - Stephen Colbert

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

onelove...I go to church to learn more about the Lord and to have fellowship with fellow Christians. As for why other pastors live above their means, some mens ministries in areas where there are richer people who tithe more. Plain and simple. As for the ones with big houses, that's another topic. I'm not to judge who's doing God's work and who's doing it to make a pretty penny. Why are certain ares of the bible excluded in sermons? God gives sermons to pastors each week. One can't preach the entire Bible in their lifetime. Your belief that certain areas are left out is unfounded. Why aren't people burning bulls? Simple, the law is no longer required. Jesus death on the cross made the old practices from the Old Testament unnecessary. Same with women and their period. What people like you don't realize is that even though we are living in the NT age, the OT still is important to how we should live. The entire Bible is important to us, but the law is no longer the way to God, it's through Jesus. God bless.

bobby56m:

I don't know.

How much are you worth?

It makes me so sad to think that this ugliness is happening in my hometown, in the place where I used to go to elementary school. I remember well the first Charlie Howard parade where screaming homophobes held life preservers out the windows of cars as we marched by. When the Bangor Daily News would not print my editorials to the paper. I am heartened by the fact that there are so many more people supporting the cause. I think we all might use Christ's example and be more loving to one another. And get a sense of humor, for God's sake!

Albuquerque, New Mexico

goingnorth...To say that a little baby is born gay is totally hogwash. God does not create someone gay, it is a chosen way.

Stephen- your ignorance is overflowing... I think u see it splashing off my box! You must not believe in safe sex! You should! Some people shouldn't breed!

AIDS came from a monkey... Were talking homosexuality, not beastality! Are you out in the barn now???

Is cancer a consequence?? Are you a scientist??

Yeah gays if you cant laugh at yourself for making stupid decisions like the decision to be gay, then how are you going to get over everyone else laughing at you for making the stupid decision to be gay?

All of you Homosexuals reading this, have you hugged your sin today?

Well, for God's sake hurry up and do it before these religious queens decide to do it for you!

Now, you wouldn't want that to happen would you?

Yech!

AIDS came from a monkey that a gay man raped, then he had sex with another gay in Africa, then somehow AIDS got to a guy that swung both ways, and now straight people have it, and that is a sad story because straight people dont deserve to get AIDS.

bobby56m - and you know this how? You've gone out and done a survey of openly gay people that substantiates this? I think more than likely you just assume this because it needs to be this way for your beliefs to hold true. Obviously God doesn't create anybody because there is no God, but that's another point. The hypocrisy of the Christian fate is comical - no wonder George Carlin was able to make millions for years making fun of it.

Melanie!!!! A voice of reason!! Its sickening to think of how off topic this has become!

WE MISS YOU TWO DOWN THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOTS AND LOTS OF LOVE AND BEST WISHES

StephenColbert:

It's your gayness that we're all busy laughing at.

Gays and understanding straights alike.

In other words; "Honey, your slip is showing!"

Or as we used to say in the repressed 50s;

"IT'S SNOWING DOWN SOUTH!"

stephencolbert - the only reason the gay guy raped the monkey was because God told him to.

When I listen to those who loudly deny God, it seems that they really mean it. But life shows that many of them, although the curse God with their lips, in their hearts have a great longing. And you hear the groaning of the heart. They seek something and wish to cover their inner emptiness with their godlessness.

I am not ashamed to proclaim the Christ who died to defend His commandments and the power of His cross.

Those who have not experienced the wonderful peace of Christ cannot understand it. But how happy are those who have this peace. For us who are in Christ no sufferings and frustrations should stop us.

I am very glad that the Lord loves me so much and gives me the joy to endure for His name.

My heart praises and thanks Go, that He showed me the way to salvation. Now, being on this way, my life has a purpose and I know where to go and for whom I suffer. The sufferings that God sends us only strengthen us more and more in the faith in Him.

I feel the desire to tell and to witness to everybody about the great joy of salvation that I have in my heart.

Who can separate us from God? Nobody and nothing. My heart is so full that the grace of God overflows. I must tell everyone what the Lord has done for me. He has made me a new being, a new creation, of me who was on the way of perdition. Can I be silent after this?

No, never! As long as my lips can speak, I will witness to everyone about His great Love.

God Lives.

goingnorth...How do I know this? I've chosen to be a Christian, correct? I was not born a Christian, I made the choice at one point in my life. I chose to marry a woman at one point in my life as well. How about you? I'm assuming you're straight, therefore, you've made that decision, as well as anyone else who is straight. To say that someone is born gay makes no sense. We are all born to make decisions at one point in our life. We choose the path we will take. They choose to be gay at one point in their life, just as I choose to be straight. Plain and simple. God bless.

George Carlin was able to make millions because he had stage presence and rhythm in his act, not necessarily of what he said. Obviously you dont have an original opinion about anything, you just follow what everyone else says. I would like to hear your opinion not the opinion of your retarded middle school teachers, Im assuming you never made it to high school.

goingnorth:

Im glad you agree that a guy did rape a monkey. However God would never tell someone to sin, they do that on their own. Like how God never told you to be gay but you made that choice on your own. So thank you for supporting me in my argument and thank you for supporting our President.

Atheists are people who do not acknowledge the invisible sources in their life. They have no sense for what is mystery in the universe and in life. Christians can help them best by walking themselves not by sight, but by faith, leading a life of fellowship with the invisible God, and leading lives of consistent Christians, lives of sacrifice and prayer.

On 12/3/08 at 10:08 PM, StephenColbert wrote:

"AIDS came from a monkey that a gay man raped, then he had sex with another gay in Africa, then somehow AIDS got to a guy that swung both ways, and now straight people have it, and that is a sad story because straight people dont deserve to get AIDS."

And that was your last medical diagnoses?

Tell, me pagan boy.

Have you ever had a really good one?

Piotre:

Christians can help by keeping their noses the hell out of other people's sins.

Polish up your own transgressions.

Unless you're a reincarnationalist you're not going to pass this way twice.

God would never tell anybody to sin? That's interesting. In human history, more people have been killed in the name of God than any other reason.

Oh, my God.

I'm on a heart friendly diet and I just ate an apple.

Does that make me Adam or Steve?

wow i just realized that mainleyme has been on this since 1 am. Get a life, or a girlfriend, or is that why you are gay? because no one loved you? maybe you felt rejected by your parents, maybe your dad got drunk and hit you then one day left all of a sudden and you felt rejected so you got close to your mom and became a flaming homosexual. well whatever the reason, Jesus loves you, he could be that father figure that you never had. You just have to stop being gay.

bobby56m, Interesting point. So if Christ's dying on a cross was done to basically eliminated old practices of the old testament, then I suppose we can ignore the laws god created? Was that Gods way of apologizing for what he did to Sodom and Gomorrah? Does that explain that stories, like the one when God flooded the earth to kill off everything but a man and a bunch of animals, that after the floods left, the animals (two of each species on earth mind you) that then mated and then swam across the oceans to their prospective places on earth (cause we know evolution is not true and therefore the earth, minus some buildings and fountains, is exactly now how it was after Gods 6 days of work and a day of rest), and then that man lived to be 900 years old. I guess with the birth and death of Christ, we can now toss those untrue fireside stories away because you, a modern day profit who speaks for God claims we can discharge parts of the bible. If I'm wrong on that, then you're response holds NO substance. Certain parts of the bible ARE ignored by people who feel they are as holy as you portray yourself to be. The fact that you are justifying that it's ok to leave out parts of the bible seems typical for many self-proclaimed Christians who justify their hatred with scripture, blame their sins on satan and refuse to be accountable for their actions, judge others who believe differently, and pick and chose which scriptures in which to live their lives by and toss out any of those that contradict that. In all of my time learning the bible.. I have NEVER seen anything in the new testament where Christ publicly damns gay sex. So it'll be interesting what Ted Haggard says when he first peeks his head in hell.

More people have been killed in the name of God than any other reason? This is not true. Stalin's regime killed more people than all the religeous conflicts combined.

Satan said to eat the fruit not God you retard. Maybe you should do your research first.

Quite a diagnosis huh mainelyme? He must have a phd in monkey rape

This is a good one.

I'm going to put my name on it!

On 12/3/08 at 10:22 PM, Mainelyme wrote:

Oh, my God.

I'm on a heart friendly diet and I just ate an apple.

Does that make me Adam or Steve?

Perley J. Thibodeau

bobby56m - I am straight because I feel no physical attraction to men. I cannot choose to be gay, my mind is wired so that I don't feel attraction to men even if I try. I don't have a choice, just like gay people.

I think I'll call myself Steve because the name Adam sounds a little too butch for me!

oh your a lesbian? well that would explain why you are horrible at arguing, you're a chick.

Who would you be referring to now stephen?

that would be mainelyme

On 12/3/08 at 10:22 PM, StephenColbert wrote:

wow i just realized that mainleyme has been on this since 1 am. Get a life, or a girlfriend, or is that why you are gay? because no one loved you? maybe you felt rejected by your parents, maybe your dad got drunk and hit you then one day left all of a sudden and you felt rejected so you got close to your mom and became a flaming homosexual. well whatever the reason, Jesus loves you, he could be that father figure that you never had. You just have to stop being gay."

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

You're just going to have to stop putting your life's history here on the internet.

And you're just going to have to stop flirting with sick old men like me while you're at it.

Or are you a sick old man, too?

In that case I'm still a healthy good looking young guy but, I'm not interested in you!

Sorry Charlie.

Only the best Tunas can be called StarKissed!

onelove...I specifically wrote we don't ignore the Old Testament. You've taken out of context what I said. The OT laws were never meant to permanent, they were meant to provide a way to God until His Son Jesus Christ came to the earth. We still study them and apply the 10 commandments to our lives, but breaking one of the 10 commandments doesn't mean damnation. All sin is equal in Gods eyes. You can judge me all you want, but I won't judge you. I never said I was judging you or any other person, gay or straight. Need I repeat what I've said numerous times, I hate the sin, not the sinner. Where in the NT does Christ say that it's okay to be gay? Can you point to a spot in the Bible where it says anything about it being ok to be gay? God bless.

Mainlyme,

You really concern me. You seem to know the scriptures well enough to quote them (albeit not in context). What has hardened your heart toward God? I'll be praying for you!

StephenColbert:

Where do you normally cruise?

Tell us so we can avoid the place like the plague!

mainelyme you already came out of the closet you dont have to hide your childhood and though you are a sick old man who was raped by life and has slipped into sweet senility you dont have to be gay anymore, just make the choice. I have to go my show is on in less than an hour. 11:30 on comedy central, and buy my christmas album on itunes, only 7.99 its entitled the Colbert Christmas Special.

I've actually filled my fantasy of having two woman. An old GF broght a friend home with her for my Birthday once. Man, thats just too much work if you ask me. I'm still thinkin about the whole midget thing though. How bout it vchapes, they say the best way to get over your fear is to confront it.

PastorTom:

All of these quotes have been out of context, stoopid!

And please do your praying for me standing up?

I may technically be an old fellah but, I've got enough guys on their knees for me already.

Wow..... 302 comments now.. I came in at around 80. GOODNIGHT!!

boogyman:

Does that mean you want to have sex with vchapes?

Not in my computer room you don't!

Are u a midget boogyman?

StephenColbert:

I never watch television and I don't buy itunes.

Your saying you're on there should give you a good reason why

So, what time is it really in the Phillipines?

just below the belt

Lol no mainlyme!! This is the internet- can be anything he wants I suppose.... Even a monkey rape fanatic!

I never really could get turned on by Monkeys. Gotta admit, I do kind of have a thing for armadillos though.

StephenColbert::

Believe it or not I used to appear at the Comic Strip Nightclub over here on Second Avenue in Manhattan.

Until the manager Marty O'Brian told me that I was just too beautful in drag to be funny.

It was upper East Side and wasn't a gay nightclub.

The yuppie audience enjoyed looking at me and they laughed when ever I managed to remember a punchline.

The late Tiny Tim and his manager came in one night and Tiny got his eye on me in a white faux Fox Fur Coat and matching Russian Hussah Barrel Hat.

He opened his billfold so I could see him count his money, and I could see he had a small stack of one dollar bills.

I thought that was sweet of him.

Marty didn't fire me but, I did quit shortly after that.

His telling me that I was just too beautiful in drag really broke my heart!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

I suppose that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. As for myself,I oppose homosexuality.

, alces247

Well, then don't indulge in it!

Stop the Madness this lifestyle has to stop.Repent .Vote pro life.

Vchapes, thank you for your response, but you are arguing a point i didn't make. I never said my issue was that gay marriage would allow gay people to raise their kids gay. I'm glad that you had somebody there for you. I was raised by a single mother that woked 3 jobs to get it done. I said that I personally believe that the family unit of a mother and a father is the best case serino for raising a child. I think it provide more well rounded influences. I base that even on my life, where the lack of a male influence in my home wasn't as good for me. My mother was great, but a man brings different things to the table. I also said, just to point it out again, that the ease with which hetro couples give up and walk out on marriages is a bigger drag on society. My original point that I am sticking to is that I feel it is not a good idea to have gay marriage and the anything goes crowd that spent the day posting on here bashing christians are the hypocrits. Why am I less intitled to my opinion then a gay lady in New York? It doesn't make me evil or hateful.

"Why am I less intitled to my opinion then a gay lady in New York? It doesn't make me evil or hateful."

Maybe because she's a lady?

All He asks me to do is to love....but I can't be silent when I know something is not pleasing in the eyes of God. I want others to live in Gods will because I want them knowing true freedom, peace, and fullness in this life and the next.

Who says that anyone has the right to control and judge anyone else? I don't see where the Bible says that we have to control other people. It seems to me, that we have all we can do to mind our own business and do what is right for ourselve?! This brother's keeper crap is just that. There are so many people that have PTSD because of control from other people that it's abusive. Some say that being gay is cultural, others say that THEY are sick. How about that it is what it is? No choice, maybe the next rung of evolution? Or maybe god does have a sense of humor and created gay and lesbians so heteros wouldn't take themselves so seriously? We all can be pompous when we feel threatened in some way.

Good morning Mainelyme. I don't think StephenColbert is JIP. The tone is all wrong. Though you make a good point that StevieWonder and AmericanBandstandPA haven't posted in a while. Duckwa, didn't you once admit you are ParkAvenueJoe?

Duckwa- that wasnt directed towards you- it was a general question/statement. If gays were to not raise children im sure many people might have a different outlook- as for myself- i think its total bullshit that a man makes everything so much more wonderful. how about the guy on trial that shook his baby FOUR yrs ago. yes im sure hes a WONDERFUL father figure. *rolls eyes*. but i understand what you mean.

As for your evolution statement MAINER50- valid point. Take a look at the differences from generation to generation. --> The Pregnant Man<-- who was once a woman. You wouldnt have seen that happening 50 yrs ago. (granted i wasnt around that long ago) but, shit happens. its life.

I'm not bashing christians. .. i dont think.

I haven't gotten my day started yet so, here goes.

There was nobody as homophobic as I was when I was a teen ager, and I cringe at the thought of telling you a story of what I actually did behind the back of a person I thought was gay.

But, then I got out into the world and I met successful gays in show business and other life enriching fields of endeavor and realized that they were really no different than anybody else.

The 60s were turbulent times for all people involved whether they wanted to get caught up in the sexual and cultural revolution or not.

I learned to accept people for what they were. If there was something about them that went against my grain then I just turned my mind off, and didn't concentrate on that aspect of their personality.

Freedom came in my acquiring acceptance for others through my acceptance of the shortcomings in myself, and my life has become richer and far more rewarding than it ever was before.

Try it for 24 hours and see if I am right.

I have gotten through a lot of trouble and pain riding on the belief that I can put up with anything as long as I know that it won't last forever.

I promise it won't kill you as you don't have to get physically involved. Just spritually.

As the saying goes; 'Don't look for what's different in others, look for what is the same.

StephenColbert:

StephenColbert-StephenColbert.

Where for art thou, Stephen Colbert?

Sleeping it off?

You say: "You just have to stop being gay."

What, and leave the field entirely to you?

anne_of_mdi

And what about, "OldBangor?"

Sad to say but, bitchy homosexuals all sound alike!

No vchapes , you weren't one of the bashing comments that caught my eye. Kate123 was a good example of my point. She basically said all christians are bad because they judge people.... as she is making judgements on what christians do. I have no doubt that the world is full of people that claim to be christians and are jerks to people, but she cant anymore say most christians are ______, then I could say mosr gays are _____! There are a lot of jerks that aren't christians also. I also already gave you the point on the baby shaker. Marriage already has huge issues, gay marriage or not.

Mainer50, even though you are more civil about it, you make the same mistake. I'm not trying to be my brother keeper. I just have a opinion on what I personally feel is best for the family and the country. And I think I or the pastors above have a right to work toward what they think is best, and let the country (voters) decide.

Anne, Not sure what your talking about. I have never posted as anything but duckwa, even on the old boards. I'm not sure what happened to jip. I don't think he could go that long with out talking about himself. I don't ever even remember seeing a "AmericanBandstandPA" post. Steviewonder i kind of remember seeing before. Why?

Duckwa, I'm glad to hear that. There is an old post of yours which says "I am parkavejoe." See Oct. 30 Letters to the Editor.

I agree with an earlier writer, it will be very interesting how Ken Graves moves forward from here. Will we see him speaking and working with the very people he has called the anitchrist and a cult? Let the show begin!

anne_of_mdi :

If you believe anybody who uses a phony name then you are even more naive than I am!

A college professor of mine demonstrated in a lecture that Jesus was nothing but a magician. The professor had before him a pitcher of water. He put a powder in it and it became red. "This is the whole miracle, " he explained. "Jesus had hidden in his sleeves a powder like this, and then pretended to have changed water into wine in a wonderful manner. But I can do even better than Jesus; I can change the wine into water again." And he put another powder into the liquid. It became clear. Then another powder and t was red again.

I stood up and said, "You have amazed us, professor, by what you are able to do. We would only ask one more thing of you--drink a bottle of your wine!"

The professor said, "This I cannot do. The powder was a poison."

I replied, "This is the whole difference between you and Jesus. He. with His wine, has given us joy for two thousand years, whereas you poison us with your wine."

We are weak little Davids. But we are stronger than the Goliath of atheism, because God is on our side. The truth belongs to us.

Mainelyme, yes all of these comments must be taken with a grain of salt. I admire you for posting your real name. I unfortunately hesitate to do the same, but it's for a good reason which it would be imprudent for me to divulge. I think anonymity is fine because it allows people to say things they normally wouldn't say, but I do dislike when people post under several different aliases to give the illusion that other people share their views.

This thread is both amusing, and deeply troubling.

One thread has kept my attention through all this-- the concept that "Christians take what they want from the Bible and discard the rest". We are not mindless puppets as some have said. And we do not do the bidding of our nefarious leaders who live in expensive houses. The Bible is reasonable. And if you read it with faith, you will find answers.

Mainelyme: I cannot fathom someone can be as stupid as you, you do not know a blessed thing. And the few that patronize you can't know very much either.

If gay people want to be miserable like most married people, then why stop them?

Kate123: the morning wood you been sucking on must be making you smarter!

sorry to hear that youre miserable RealCherry- Allowing gay people to marry doesnt mean every gay couple in america is going ot run out and get hitched. thats not the point. if they WANT to marry, they will be able to do so.

What about someone that was ina heterosexual marriage, but determined they were gay.... they were once married correct? and they may have been gay while in that marriage. doesnt meant that they shouldnt be allowed to marry the one they love.

Not every married couple is miserable like you must be RealCherry.

Anne, I think I remember that post now, but I think if you read the context and other posts around then , I was being sarcastic. I jsut never bought in to your theory. Do you really think people would take the time. The only case I am convinced on is when there was the other annemdi posting. That was kind of funny. Aside from that what makes you think JIP would bother, and why not just use JIP?

Mainlyme, I feel that you miss the point of blogging if you want to insist people use real names. The lack of names gives the freedom to express your views. Some of you people are really very friggen scary, and it would be irresponsible to post my name and open my family up like that. We don't all feel the need to be in somebodies face with who we are.

Duckwa you're right, some of these people are really scary but Mainelyme isn't one of them. JIP started using multiple aliases when he got drummed out of here for posting pages and pages of posts at a time. I guess he figured he could continue in the same vein if he made it look like he was several people. Then he got angry with me and started posting inflammatory comments under my name in what I gather was an attempt to get me drummed out as well. Say, is anyone having problems bringing up the comments pages?

Who is JIP??

duckwa :

You're known by the company you keep!

skipperskitchen:

Sounds like it's getting too hot in the kitchen.

Try the outhouse!

Piotre:

Cute story.

Wine containers absorb wine into the pores of the insides and the residue remains there.

Just adding water would loosen that residue and mix with the water creating more wine.

All drunks know that batenders take advantage of drinkers who have inbibed too much and have killed their taste buds, and they substitute cheap liquor for the good stuff after the first two drinks, and the drinker doesn't even know he's still paying full price for an inferior product.

Now explain why Jesus was using his power of God by supplying free alcoholic drinks to people at so joyous a holy occasion as a heterosexual wedding ceremony?

Like the Rabbi who walked across the river on water was heard to say," I knew where the rocks were!

Mr. Thibodeau/Mainelyme

All sin is the same in the eyes of God, for he is perfect and just. Let me assure you, we are both criminals, we have both broken his law, AND we will BOTH stand before God. I will stand humbly confessing that I need God's grace and Pardon. Will you do the same?

Mainelyme, In the spirit of ecumenicalism, I suppose it's only fair to indicate curiosity of your knowledge of "the so called married ministers of all these cults who have had sexual affairs with female church(no pun intended) organists..." But one initial question comes to mind - were any of the participants children? If so, laws were broken. If not, though these acts are considered immoral by many if not most people, as far as I know, infidelity is not illegal. I suppose some would argue that child molestation should not be illegal, but that's more of a tangent from the present topic than I am prepared to bite off.

vchapes, JIP is johninphilippines who used to post here ad nauseum.

OH! Thanks

No answer Perley?

anne_of_mdi

StephenColbert is JIP as far as I',m concerned.

He started out on the usual friendly "I'm going to show this guy I know more about Bangor than he does and I'm better known there then he is," routine and progressed further and further into false bravado culiminating in his changing alias' several times within posting sessions.

All the while his posting got wilder and more frantic each time.

He even posted as a soldier overseas.

I'm no computer expert but, he claims to have a teen age son and he must have the son program the computer so it posts Eastern Standard Tmes, instead of the time where he supposedly is living now.

It's obvious the poor guy has many mental problems and they all originate from the childhood he has described on many past postings for himself as having had a hopelessly alcoholic father and a domineering mother.

The fact that he took all of this personal background and attributed it to my dear parents and happy childhood in his last post proves who he is JIP, and Iis talking about the mental anguish that he's still going through because of it.

Right down to telling me that I'm gay and the advice that I don't have to be gay.

He's really talking about, and trying to convince himself of these things.

There's no doubt that he probably isn't even aware of the fact that he may be a severely handicapped split personality who doesn't even know what he's doing.

Please, do JIP a favor and all of us put our petty differences aside for a minute while we pray for our fallen brother, JIP, and ask God to remind him that peace of mind comes from within!

"THROW OUT THE LIFELINE.

THROW OUT THE L;IFELINE

SOME POOR SOUL IS DRIFTING AWAY.

THROW OUT THE LIFE LINE.

THROW OUT THE LIFE LINE.

SOME POOR SOUL IS SINKING EVERYDAY!"

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

On 12/4/08 at 11:21 AM, johnhileman wrote:

No answer Perley? "

I have no idea in heaven what God has in mind for me.

Who knows, I may even be appointed as the council to defend all of you.

WHEN THE ROLL IS CALLED UP YONDER I'LL BE THERE!

Mainelyme, that is brilliant detective work to figure out that his son has fixed it so the times read as EST. Of course you must be right. I guess there's just no end to it with him. He was posting as StevieWonder just a couple of days ago. I am very upset that he's posting as my beloved Stephen Colbert, but that's better than posting as anna_of_mdi!

David889327:

i'm really praying that my movie scripts get produced as the last four take up the questions that you have winkingly asked.

Where did all these so called preachers get their mail order religious diplomas if not from some cult church in the Ozarks that advertize late at night on WWVA Wheeling West, Virginia?

We all know the hillbillies like to get 'em young" there.

How old was Priscilla Beauleau Presley when her military father sold her to Elvis, The King of Rock and Roll?

I believe she said in her autobiography that she was eleven or twelve.

If you live in Bangor you know the Baptist Preacher and the female organist I'm talking about as it was spread all over the BDN Headlines at the time.

He now has a much smaller church, school and school busses to ferry his charges about, and I'm sure he still has a faithful gay boy following who appear around town in full facial make up breathlessly saying they just came from appearing on television for the good reverend.

People in small towns aren't stupid or blind. They see everything that's going on, and they may even make a random comment about it but, for the most part they are decent respectable people who are just trying to survive the harsh climate, and live their lives as best they can.

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

You will be there Perley. There is no doubt. You will be there. But it is my prayer that you will no be standing there having missed your chance to receive the Pardon of Christ, because you did not understand.

:which are you Perley?

1 Corinthians 1:18 states that the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing.

:Do you understand that all sin is equal in the eyes of God? Do you understand that Christ had to die for you?

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Which are you Perley? Are you one of His (do you hear his voice?), or are you one of those who believes the cross is foolishness?

You will be there Perley. There is no doubt. You will be called up yonder.

Can' t believe some of the stuff written on this post. And I'm not even going to jump into from a spiritual point of view. Not yet anyway. No on out there will disagree with me on this point. We live in a very sick world. Some of the people on this post actually seem to be mentally ill.Either suffering from muliple personalities, bi-polar, or schizophrenia. In the past forty years, the onset of mental illness has increased trmendously. Some researchers are finally making a link to lifestyle.( I call it sin). The meds that are given daily for mental illness are the most profitable for the medical industry. People of all ages....children to adults are popping these pills without even questioning why they should be even taking them .There is a serious increase. Findings of a study on woman who have had abortions show a huge increase in depression. Some extreme cases diagnosed as schizophrenia. The same with those who are addicted to porn. Now this world as a whole is becoming a more free society, a more Godless society....with no rules...do what makes you feel good...live by your own conscience....then why are so many becoming mentally sick? It's not because we live lives that are uncomfortable. Most of us have very comfortable lives. Everything is at ourfinger tips.The only thing that has changed is our lack of faith in God. Many believe "I am my own God?" I am the great I am. I will not serve. You will not tell me how to live my life. We are seeing the fruits of our choices. I am expecting to see postings of don't judge....Bible thumper....whatever....you don't have to be spiritual, or intellectual to figure out what is going on in this world. Many can't see it because of lack of good old fashion common sense.

anne_of_mdi;

As Auntie Mame once sang;

"Open a New Window Everyday!"

Who is your beloved Stephen Colbert?

I'll look him up and maybe he'll become my beloved Stephen Colbert, also!

People on the street are now mistaking me for John Lithgow.

I saw a couple of his movies and we came face to face once 23 years ago but, I still prefer the nightclub disc jockey who introduced me one night as Britney Spears.

But, a fellah can't run around in a dress all the time, you know!

Elizabethann:

What about the good old 1960s Jesus Freaks?

johnhileman:

There's no doubt that I'll be there but, I hope to Helll you're not!

Mainelyme, you know, "the king of cable," the media darling who lampoons Bill O'Reilly. His website: http://www.colbertnation.com/home

Mainelyme said: There's no doubt that I'll be there but, I hope to Helll you're not!

::: Well then... that is the difference between you and I Perley. I hope to God you are.

The drugs the alcohol......they forgot one thing....those good old Jesus freaks....morality...living a moral life, one that is pleasing to God.

The drugs the alcohol......they forgot one thing....those good old Jesus freaks....morality...living a moral life, one that is pleasing to God.

The drugs the alcohol......they forgot one thing....those good old Jesus freaks....morality...living a moral life, one that is pleasing to God.

Elizabethann;

You really freaked out on that one.

Too close for comfort?

Get your tie dyed Afro Hairdo ready, honey the men in the white jackets with the butterfly nets are knocking at your door!

"LET THE SUNSHINE IN.

LET THE SUNSHINE IN!"

Hair is coming back to Broadway after boring me to death all summer in Central Park.

And don't forget to smoke a few reefers, and trip out on LSD,as they expand your mind and open it to the wonders of infinity.

"PUT YOU HAND IN THE HAND

OF THE MAN FROM GALILEE!"

johnhileman;

You'd better hope I'm there, mister.

I'll be the only person trying to say a good word for you!

Anne, I guess I would have to leave the detective work to you on that one. I use to actually get a kick out of JIP. He was always the first to post on anything. I just havn't seen anything that stands out as his style to me. I can't read that much of Mainely me so I can't follow her big revalation on the issue. You know, he may have just been hit by a bus or something.

Mainely me, on this same issue, becareful when you do what you did on your 11:35 post. That adds to a lot of peoples confusion. I understand it wasn't intentional. I have made the same mistake. It just confuses people.

"PUT "YOUR" HAND IN THE HAND

OF THE MAN FROM GALILEE!"

Hope your hand doesn't get burned in the holiness you'll be touching!

I am not a Jesus freak out of the 60's. Don't wear tie dye and don't smoke dope. You have grandiose ideas Mainelyme. Name suits you really well. It is all about you isn't it. A symtom of mental illness. Duckwa ...he is a very confused person. He seems to have a few personalities...

My computer is freaking out everytime I make a post. I'll take it as a sign.

duckwa:

Maybe you should take a course in remedial reading.

See Dick Jane and Spot.

See Spot run!"

You don't do too awfully well with writing, either!

JIP actually sounded pretty smart and knew what he was talking about. He didn't sound like he would attack someone verbally. I thought JIP and Mainelyme was buddy buddy. I must of missed something. I'm trying to figure out what Anne's beef is with JIP. I missed that one too. Must of been actually working that time frame.

Elizabethann

"My computer is freaking out everytime I make a post. I'll take it as a sign."

I would if I were you!

'TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF AND

YOU'LL SEE OTHERS DIFFERENTLY.

BY PUTTING YOUR HAND IN THE HAND

OF THE MAN FROM GALILEE! !"

I'm off to Spanish Harlem.

OLE!

It's obvious that we all like each other or we wouldn't even be bothered!

"THERE'S A ROSE THAT GROWS IN SPANISH HARLEM!"

Well, if there isn't then there soon will be!

Mainelyme, don't get defensive now dear. All I was saying is when you accidentily copy the header of a post with the time and then add to it as you did at 11:35, it can be confusing. As I said I have done it myself.

Elizabethann, back your statement about me up please. I am very consistent on what I write. I know this because it is all my opinion. I actually agree with most of what you have to say. You posted some good stuff above. You can't back up your statement on me though.

Elizabethann, Boy there is a comment I would like to have back. I read in a hurry and took it as you were saying I was not consistent. Now I have proven myself to be confused. Oh well I never claimed to be perfect. And I'm not!!

I think the fact that are so many different churches on both sides of the issue speaks volumes of the differing ways The Bible can be interpreted. Respected scholars from all walks of life have offered intelligent and insightful commentaries and many issues. It is the responsibility of the individual through their own relationship journey with God to deter