Stop the senseless slaughter of black flies and mosquitos. Midges are misunderstood. If you say that free elections are good for the people Nancy Oden will say that we are discriminating against dictators. She didn't once condem the Palestinians for suicide bombers that kill innocent bystanders or the simple fact that Israel's military action was precipitated by Hamas's firing rockets into Israel. How about the fact that Hamas is locating its arm caches in residential areas. Israel notified the civilians in Gaza that their area was targeted and that they should leave. Hamas wants the civilian casualties so that people like Oden will rally to their cause. Hamas is a terrorist organization, how can Oden possibly support them. She probably feels that the terrorists that piloted the planes on 9/11 should have parachuted to safety and have been given a free ticket back to the Middle East. And no I am not Jewish or Republican.

"She probably feels that the terrorists that piloted the planes on 9/11 should have parachuted to safety and have been given a free ticket back to the Middle East." That is basically what happened! Bush stopped all airplanes in the US from flying except for the planes carrying his friends in the Bin Laden family from Saudi Arabia to go home. And please remember the terrorists on 911 consised of Saudia, Kuwatis, and an Egyptian. Instead of bombing Saudi Arabia; Bush bombed Iraq.

Pocaromo, you sound like you've swallowed the Zionist Koolaid, hook line and stinker!

Israel is a TERRORIST NATION, who invented modern terrorism back in 1948, and were probably behind the 9/11 attacks via the MOSSAD,

who are probably blackmailing our Neocon government over it!

They "OWN US" (Sharon's words, not mine) through their money and influence, mixed with a toxic brew of WWII guilt. That has been once agaain demonstrated this week, as the AIPAC-run Senate refused even to call a unilateral CEASE-FIRE, and the Isreali/American juggernaut in the UN rendered them Useless, while the Israelis bomb their schools and hospitals with impunity.

You may not be Republican, or Jewish, but you might as well be. Maybe you should educate yourself with some REAL history so you can stop sounding like another ignorant shill for these murderous policies.

While your at it, why not ask Obama how he'd feel if his kids lived in GAZA!?

Oaky..so know we all know Nancy is a not thinking clearly. Take pity on her for she knows not what she says!

"Israel brags that it runs our country, especially now that Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, has dual Israeli-U.S. citizenship. Where do his loyalties lie?" What is your source for this little piece of false enlightenment, Nancy?

Isreal is surrounded by countries that want to destroy her. Foir example, Mohammed was a warrior who led his armies to conquer a territory and once conquered offered the defeated the opportunity to join this religion that he was literally dreaming up. They had the choice of joining or being beheaded. When he lost a battle he came home and slaughtered a whole community of Jews for no reason except that he was upset that his army had lost. So this irrational hatred of Isreal is part of their culture and religion. It is sort of like the irrational hatred of GW Bush by the left. It makes no sense and arguing with nuts never works. So why argue with someone like a Nancy Oden. The Bangobama Daily News loves her angle on the news and will always print her stuff no matter how ridiculous. The BDN is steadily losing business like all newspapers and major media because they have become so slanted and biased, one never knows whether what they read is true. Why buy a paper that you can't trust? I have all my life but I can proudly say that I have not read an editorial written by the News staff for several years. I don't need to, every story is an editorial. But I will keep buying the paper because there is some stuff in it worth reading, just not their politics.

This explains most everything contained in Ms. Oden's remarkable thought process:

"While not a Jew, I’m on an e-mail list for Tikkun magazine, edited by Rabbi Michael Lerner."

It remains inexplicable what possible benefit the editors believed anyone in Bangor, let alone the rest of the world, might gain from being exposed to it.

Granny, you need to adjust the tinfoil in your helmet so that the inner voices can get through a little better. I'm curious as to how self-defense is now equal to terrorism. I'm sure that to you Hamas and Hezbollah are nothing but humanitarian organizations...that just so happen to strap explosives to brainwashed young people filled with hate.

It's unfortunate that anyone takes you or your kind seriously.

------BREAKING NEWS--------

Report: U.S. rejected Israeli plea to attack Iran

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush rejected several Israeli requests last year for weapons and permission for a potential airstrike inside Iran, the author of an investigative report told CNN.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insists Iran's nuclear program is only intended for peaceful purposes.

Israel approached the White House in early 2008 with three requests for an attack on Iran's main nuclear complex, said New York Times reporter David Sanger. His article appears in the newspaper on Sunday.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/11/iran.israel.nuclear/index.html

I guess you've said it all Nancy, but did you bother to ask yourself any of these questions?

1) Has Hamas done anything to start this conflict? Hint - Firing thousands of rockets into Israel, without any response from Israel

2) Has Israel intentionally gone after innocent civilians, or has Hamas purposely hidden amongst their supposed innocent citizens, so that Israel could take the blame and make Hamas look like the good guys.

3) Has Israel warned the innocent civilians to leave well before bombing, by dropping pamphlets?

4) Were any pamphlets dropped by Hamas before their over 3,000 rocket attacks? Yeah right

5) If rockets were fired for even one day on the U.S , Russia, China, England, France, Germany or many other countries, do you think they would have sat back and done nothing for over a year?

I could go on, but after reading your article, I've learned that brainwashed anti-semites are not going to change their mind anytime soon. You know if you go to Hamas, I'm sure they would be willing to strap you to a bomb and let you sacrifice yourself " for the cause". And what is the cause? Well in your case it appears to be narrowmindedness and stupidity.

Re; "Report: U.S. rejected Israeli plea to attack Iran"

It will be interesting how P.-E. Obama deals with this - got to be one of the trickiest issues of this generation.

P.S. Iranians, don't piss us off! We'll send the Israelis after you! Did you say you had some oil?

Well said 'DonLewis'

For over Sixty years the World has been "guilt tripped" and milked of "reparations" by the SAME people who invented the very crimes of which they complain. Now they piously proclaim their desire for "peace, peace", as they parade these rules around their places of worship, and KISS the scrolls on which these odious "rules" are codified.

It was the Israelites that introduced to the world, and codified in their religion, Bigotry, Genocide, everything CRIMINAL that they now condemn in the Nazis

The Nazis called themselves "superior" people. The CHOSEN People of GOD do not like the competition.

The Nazis stole property from their victims.

Aside from stealing ALL of Palestine, as well documented in the Torah(the 1st 5 books of the Bible) "for a place to live",

which they are repeating today, and the Nazis copied and called "growth room" how about ........

STEAL FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS:

Exodus c.3 v.22

Exodus c.11 v.2

Exodus c.12 v.35-36 (obviously "Thou SHALT NOT STEAL" does not apply to NON-Jews.)

The Nazis killed their own crippled and crazy.

KILL THE SICK and CRIPPLED

Numbers c.5 v.2-4 "putting them out of camp" means go die in the desert

The Nazis killed homosexuals and sexual "deviants" ..............

KILL HOMOSEXUALS AND SEXUAL DIVIANTS

Leviticus c.20 v.13 well, really the whole chapter

The Nazis killed those who dissented from the "party line" .................

KILL ALL DISSIDENTS:

Exodus c.32 v.27

Numbers c.11 v.1-2

Numbers c.16 all

Numbers c.21 v.5-6

Numbers v.26 v.10

The Nazis held themselves apart from other people...................

NO "diversity", NO "integration":

Numbers v25 v.4-8

Deuteronomy c.14 v.2

The jews complain that Nazis demonized those they did not like, calling them perverts, parasites, unclean .....

The Jews today call YOU "Gentile, GOYIM, Shiska" pejorative names equal to "the 'N'" word.

Demonizing, DEHUMANIZATION, is commonly used in order to justify killing people.

The entire Torah/Books of Moses is a dehumanization of all NON-israelites.

Accusing others of deviant sexuality, unclean practices, worshiping the "wrong" god, eating the "wrong" food.

HATE codified in the Bible.

FINALLY, the BIG evil ...........

The Nazis engaged in GENOCIDE, deliberately killing men, women and children... because of their difference:

After DEhumanizing the Native People of Palestine, the Israelites introduced GENOCIDE to the World:

Numbers c.21 v.03 Canaanites

Numbers c.21 v.24 Amorites

Numbers c.21 v.33 Bashan

Numbers c.31 all Midianites

Numbers c.32 v. more Amorites

Deuteronomy c.2 v.34 People of Heshbon

Deuteronomy c.3 v.6 really the whole chapter. threescore cities

Joshua c.12 A list of victims of Israeli GENOCIDE

Where are THEIR "holocaust" Memorials!

Genocide codified in their religion:

Numbers c.33 v.31-34

Deuteronomy c.7 v.2

Deuteronomy c.12 v.28-30

Deuteronomy c.20 v.11-16

Terrorism codified in their religion:

Deuteronomy c.2 v.2

Deuteronomy c.7 v.16

BURNING FLESH is "A sweet savor unto the Lord" - JUST A FEW of MANY MANY examples

Exodus c.29 v.18, 25, 41&42

Leviticus c.1 v.17

Leviticus c.2 v.2&&9&12

Leviticus c.3 v.5

Now some will say "Oh, the Bible is not FACT, it is allegory or whatever."

To which I answer, FINE, then so is the portion where God supposedly "gave" Israel the land of Palestine.

You cannot deny one verse, then use the next verse as justification to murder and steal land from People.

For millenia the Jews have WAILED about their abject slavery under "Torturous, Inhumane"

conditions in Egypt. As a matter of fact, their wailing is the same as their wailing

about the "Torturous, Inhumane" treatment by the Nazis.

How is it that "impoverished, abject slaves" have lambs to slaughter, flocks and herds?

Exodus c.12 v.21

Exodus c.12 v.32&38

Exodus c.35 v.22-23

How is it that "abject impoverished slaves" have neighbors with GOLD and SILVER and JEWELS to LOAN to these "slaves"

Exodus c.3 v.22

Exodus c.11 v.2

Exodus c.12 v.35-36

It is time that Israel is recognized as an IMMANENT THREAT to Humanity. Israel is armed with every WMD Weapon of Mass Destruction known to man including 2-400 secret Nuclear warheads built with material STOLEN from America. Israel is insane from 3,500 years of "biblically mandated" inbreeding, Israel Threatens LIFE on Earth. For thousands of years Israel has believed they are the "Chosen People of GOD". That belief alone should be a warning flag to any NON-Jew. For thousands of years the Jews have believed that to BE a Jew, The parents must BOTH be Jewish, the mother determines that one IS a Jew, the father determines which "tribe" one belongs to. This belief has led to mental illness from inbreeding. These people now are engaging in GENOCIDE and declaring it to be "justified" under THEIR religious beliefs. Today, Gaza, tomorrow they NUKE Europe !? Israel is engaging in War Crimes and Aggressive War against non-Jews, whom they denigrate and DEHUMANIZE as GENTILES, GOYIM, SISHKAS.

Israel allied with APARTHEID South Africa, trading weapons and torture techniques with those "supremists", when the CIVILIZED world shunned them. Now Israel has allied with the DEATH CULTISTS of the "Rapture". They call themselves "Christian/Zionists" which is an oxymoron, you CANNOT be Christian/ANTI-Christian at the same time. These "rapture" Prophets for PROFIT are ANTI-Christ DEATH CULTISTS. God/Jesus placed you in this LIFE to learn "soul lessons", to increase your consciousness to the point of Redemption. These JUDAS GOATS REJECT the LIFE God gave you, and dangle a False Path in front of people, just as SATAN dangled Temptation in front of Jesus. Do not follow the ANTI-Christ lies of FALSE prophets. Their "shortcut" of cheating God's lessons does NOT lead to Heaven, any more than cheating on school work teaches you the subject.

Rapture belief should also be considered a sign of if not an actual mental illness. The believer is not only rejecting reality, they are rejecting LIFE.

Recognize it as the DEATH CULT that it is, and keep the believer from any position of power or authority, as their "ANTI life outlook" is inimical to God Given Life..

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May 30, 2007 21:24

All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.

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April 10, 2008

"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts." This was the religious opinion issued one week ago by Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, a long-established religious institute attended by students and soldiers in the Israeli settlements of the West Bank. In an article published by numerous religious Israeli newspapers two weeks ago and run by the liberal Haaretz on 26 March, Rosen asserted that there is evidence in the Torah to justify this stand.

If the Bible is not the LITERAL WORD OF GOD, then the Jewish "right" to Palestine is just a MYTH also.

The President of the United States has just admitted that the Bible is NOT LITERAL.

09 Dec 2008 Mr Bush, who leaves office January 20, told ABC television, Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Mr Bush replied: "Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it."

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Anti-GENTILISM causes anti-semitism. There was no such thing as "anti-semitism" until the Old Testament of the Bible, especially the Torah created it. They codified hatred of all GENTILES in their religion, and now wonder why Gentiles are "anti" them. So-called anti-semitism is not "hate", it is the normal reaction of any SANE person to a Group, Society, Organization, System, that openly preaches IT's hatred of You. Judaism has been preaching it's Hatred of NON-jews for thousands of years, and THAT is why any NON-jew with enough intelligence to tie their shoes, opposes it.

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israel's fabled ‘right to exist’

For close to 60 years, the state of israel has struggled fruitlessly to gain legitimacy among its Arab neighbors.

'Arabs must recognize israel's right to exist,' they insist.

The only problem is - that 'right' doesn't exist - and no amount of idle 'recognizing' in the world can change that reality.

Only human beings have a 'right to exist' - not institutions, or states, and certainly not corporations.

These entities only have privileges - which are granted by human beings or conversely withheld or dissolved.

Rights are God-given and unique to human beings. With rights come obligations that can neither be curtailed nor denied.

Privileges, on the other hand, are assigned by people, ideally for the benefit of everyone they effect.

In other words, institutions have the privilege to exist among human beings, for the express benefit of those human beings.

Therefore, when institutions act, it must be in a representative capacity for the purpose of enhancing and protecting human rights - otherwise, they are in conflict with those rights. There is no in between.

If a state or an institution does not exist to enhance and protect human rights but instead requires their annihilation in order to exist - then it is defacto illegitimate and human beings who are adversely affected by its actions have not only a right but a duty to defend themselves against its assault.

israel, by definition, is an illegitimate state, for its very foundation demands one group of people forfeit their right to exist in order for israel to realize its so-called 'right to exist' as a 'Jewish' state.

It will never happen - at least not legitimately.

It can only happen through fraud, corruption and brute force.

israel can have no 'right to exist' that supersedes the rights of human beings to exist.

I hear what you're saying, aaaaaggggg, but can you imagine a world without Jews? Then the Chinese would have a monopoly on ingenuity.

It sounds like the author is uncritically repeating Hamas propaganda without attempting to investigate the facts in an unbiased way. I suggest examining websites such as aish.com for a lot of clear, concise and factual information. I am sure Nancy Oden would not be willing to live in a city which was frequently subject to rocket bombardments for many years. She would expect her government to put an end to the situation. By the way, the escalation in rocket fire happened after Israel left the Gaza strip - paying a tremendous financial and societal price in the obviously futile hope for peace. Instead of raising agricultural products for export, as the Israelis had, Hamas focused on digging tunnels for importing missiles, shooting those missiles at Israeli cities, and brutally murdering countless fellow Arabs who dared disagree with them. Yes, it is tragic when children are killed. But let us point a finger at those who shoot missiles from within schoolyards and store weapons in mosques and say, "It is wrong to use your children as human shields!"

ag who else do you hate

This aaaaaggggg is a pisser huh? SHISKAS? You better check your yiddish dictionary for spelling. Jews have "mental illness from inbreeding". I doubled over in hysterics. What does inbreeding lead to? I believe stupidity, mental retardation, etc. Let's see. 1.85 billion Muslims to 14 million Jews. What's that 130-1? Or 21% of world population to .1% or so. Patents, major medical discoveries, inventions, etc. you have .1% by the 1.85 billion Muslims and over 50% by the .1% Jews. Based on these figures I think the Muslims should practice a little inbreeding themselves.

I find it dismaying to read the amount of misinformation contained in many of the letters posted. This is not surprising due to the filtered news that we have in the United States. At this point it is not an issue of blame, it is an issue of humanitarianism and compassion. Israel has overstepped by far any legitimate or appropriate response to the rocket attacks and is not justified in committing the amount of harm, death and destruction -- primarily to a civilian population -- that is now taking place in Gaza. It would be reasonable to expect a nation as rich in resources as Israel and as powerful in military might to be more concerned about those who have so much less. However, regrettably, Israel has been on the path of insuring that those who have less suffer even more.

I was a very strong supporter of the creation of State of Israel since before its founding. For many years I, too, felt Israel could do no wrong. I was wrong. Israel must not receive special treatment by the United States or any other nation when it commits crimes against humanity. No nation including these United States should receive special treatment under such circumstances. Aggression can never bring about true peace.

Nancy, there are many Jewish people who do not support Israel's blatant disregard for international law and do speak out, do demonstrate and their activities are duly underreported, if reported at all. AIPAC does not represent American Jewry and does not speak for American Jews -- of which I am one.

Peace,

This is a bigoted, hate-filled op-ed piece, that smacks of anti-Semitism. Jews have a special responsibility to control the actions of Israel? Really? I think the writer has a special repsonsibility, in light of the Holocaust, to see to it that Jews are not persecuted. Thousands of rockets falling onto your homeland is more than adequate provocation for defending itself by attacking the attackers. The U.S. did it after 9/11 in Afganistan, and we had every right to do so; indeed, the Western world thought so, and supported the attack of Afganistan in defense of our country.

Look up the definition of Terrorizing in Maine. It is putting people in fear of imminent harm. Kids can go to jail for merely calling in bomb threats at schools, for God's sake. The writer doesn't think that dropping thousands of rockets on Irsrael, targeting towns, schools, civilian areas and the like was adequate provcation? Really. The BDN could have printed this letter, if it must, but to have given it op-ed status is to be complicit in the writier's anti-Semitism. Shame.

Farside, the SHAME is yours for slinging around these tired predictable cat calls of "Anti-semitism" every time someone comes up with a critical view of Israel!

Shame on YOU for your lame cheap-shot. People who are serious, as opposed to prejudiced, about Peace call it as it is, no matter WHO is in the wronge, and that includes one's OWN country, religion, ethnic group, WHATEVER!

Genocide is as Genocide DOES!

Are you people so ignorant of the facts on the ground over there ( or too lazy to read any REAL news on the internet) that you don't know that those people have been under BLOCKADE by Isreal for OVER TWO MONTHS? That's not bombs and rockets blockaded, that's food and medicine, electricity, WATER, and all lifestuff for the PEOPLE, an ACT OF WAR in itself! The Israelis even attacked their fishing boats in their OWN WATERS! ........ "Raising agricultural stuff" Concerned Mom? Don't you realize how densely populated that area is? (Or do you just parrot what the jewish-owned media tells you?)

THE ROCKETS WERE NOT FIRED UNTIL ISRAEL'S MURDEROUS INCURSION EARLY NOVEMBER BROKE THE TRUCE AND THE BLOCKADE BECAME UNBEARABLE FOR THESE PEOPLE...people that were not even allowed to LEAVE! Maybe the Israeli's "Left", but they then surrounded Gaza and made it their private penal colony. For that matter, look how they've treated all Palestinians since 1948...have any of you even LOOKED at a map of Israel lately?

Go do your own homework if you don't believe me....but stop with the cheap shots and willful ignorance!

"Human shields"?

The UN Office for the Coordinator of Humanitarian Affairs reported that 110 Palestinians, all in a single extended family, were "herded" into the house and told not to leave by Israeli soldiers. Less than 24 hours later, the house was attacked.

WHY again, should the Israelis be trusted?

Terrorism is as Terrorism DOES:

GrannyBgood: Isreal has its faults, just like the rest of society at large, but is willing to live in peace, with all. Your friends are not. If that part of your post relating to people being herded into a house is true, and they were killed as you report, hamas did it. Isreal warns people in advance, while your friends fire their rockets to kill any or all, even there own. As a person of knowledge said recently, their is only one thing more important to Hamas then killing an Isreali, and that is to kill a Palestinian, in order to get other Arabs to feel sorry for them. Fool, is just not a strong enough word to describe them, but they really do have a few spokes missing in their wheel.

GrannyBgood: Isreal has its faults, just like the rest of society at large, but is willing to live in peace, with all. Your friends are not. If that part of your post relating to people being herded into a house is true, and they were killed as you report, hamas did it. Isreal warns people in advance, while your friends fire their rockets to kill any or all, even there own. As a person of knowledge said recently, their is only one thing more important to Hamas then killing an Isreali, and that is to kill a Palestinian, in order to get other Arabs to feel sorry for them. Fool, is just not a strong enough word to describe them, but they really do have a few spokes missing in their wheel.

I echo and applaud beata3550's comments. Kudos to them! On the other hand, I am appauled at your blatant ignorance about what Israel MUST do to survive. Hamas is much better at spreading propaganda than the Israelis who just do what they have to do to survive and live in peace. Hamas doesn't care about their own people. They hide in schools and hospitals. Israel cares more about sparing Palestinian lives than does Hamas. Yet Israel gets blasted by people like you who think you are pitying the underdog. Do you know the size of Israel compared to their surrounding Arab countries? Take a look at who the real underdog is. It is heartbreaking and unfair that many Americans do not understand Israeli tactics. Many perceive the Palestinians as oppressed by Israel. It is rather their own leaders who oppress them. Israel is not in the attack business or the torture business. They just want to live in peace. What are they supposed to do, lie down & play dead & let Hamas, whose main objective is to destroy Israel, just drop bombs forever? Who is going to help Israel free their people from this daily bombing? Are you? Why can't you see the true facts and the reality? Do some research! People who hate that Israel is trying to exist are anti-semetic whether or not they are Jews themselves hiding under the coat of trying to be "liberals". Any intelligent person who studies the history of Israel and learns reliable facts, would not be against Israel trying to survive by destroying Hamas the best way they can.

Harry, you didn't read what I said: The report said ISREALI soldiers, not HAMAS, herded the people into a house they told them was "SAFE". Like the U.N. School.

What part of TREACHERY don't you understand? For that matter, what part of "Terrorism" don't you understand? Do you really believe that terrorism can't be committed by a STATE, just because it's your precious state of Israel? ...or America under Bush, for that matter? What do you call what Hitler did?

What do you call bottling up an entire population and starving them out, bombing them with WHITE PHOSPHOROUS (Israel denies it even as we've seen it with our own eyes a week ago on CNN!) and making every citizen pay the ultimate price for what their ELECTED LEADERS DO! ?

Would YOU like to be bombed for the WAR CRIMES GW Bush and Cheney have done? Those people have about as much control over their government as we do over ours! This is a moral issue and we have ALL been made complicit by our government's slavish alms-paying, -of OUR tax money, to these murderous Zionists.

Time for "No Taxation without Representation"!

And"Concerned inPa"....you can go pay YOUR dues to Israel if you want and think they are such poor defenseless" Victims", poor fool!

Whose planes do you think those are that they're doing their dirty work with? wHERE DO YOU THINK THEY GOT tHEIR NUKES FROM, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO THREATEN ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET WITH? Do you think the Israelis and their Zionist supporters give a damn about what's good for America? Where do you think their loyalties lie?

Have you even got a CLUE about how many times they have betrayed us? (Think: Attack on the Liberty in the 80's...I could go on)

Granny: You are really something. Those of us who care about the country of Israel do plenty of questioning of its actions-- much like those of us who love our own country question the actions of the United States at times. The difference between us and people like you is that we start with the presumption that Israel has the right to exist, and to exist in peace. Just what is it you presume? Because it sounds like you don't think that Israel should exist in the first place. Trecherous Zionists? I wonder how you can walk on this planet with those awful Jews.

Farside, you really DO need to do some honest research if you don't "Get" the treachery thing.

"By DECEPTION ye shall rule" is the motto of their Mossad, and their MANY false-flag opperations bear this out.

I personnally believe Israel has a "right to Exist" IF, and it's a BIG IF: they can do it peacefully (which they never have) and without victimizing

their neighbors and stealing their land, which is what they have done SINCE THE BEGINNING.

Guess with the propaganda YOU read, though, you haven't been able to educate yourself on this much, so I'll send you some linky-dinks if you want.

(Maybe I'll even send then if you DON'T want!~ people like you are often willfully ignorant and really do prefer their MYTHS over reality. )

You say "I wonder how you can walk on this planet with those awful Jews"

If YOU want to equate all Jews with Zionists, or with Israel for that matter that's YOUR problem, but I know many Jews who would be deeply offended to be

thrown in with those dirtbags .

To hold ALL American Jews who don't "speak out against the slaughter" as complicit with the acts is pure bigotry. SHAME on Nancy Oden. She needs to understand just what bigotry is. I will never condone blaming an entire ethnic group for something that others of the same ethnic group do far away. Oden is a vile person. Her self-righteousness is appalling.

Sieg heil, Frau Oden!

So, "Freedomlover" what kind of Freedom do you love if you don't respect the right to speak out?

In asking why American Jews don't speak up, she is not blaming "All Jews", she is blaming those who keep SILENT, for Whatever reason!!

These are the same kind of people, Jews or otherwise who have "ENABLED" all repressive regimes, including Hitler's , including Bush's, and CERTAINLY INCLUDING Israels'!

YES! ANYONE, Jew or otherwise who does NOT speak out against this atrocity -especially in a "Democracy' is COMPLICIT!

Sounds like YOU are the self-righteous one, making despicable excuses for your own silence by attacking those that DO exercise their First Ammendment Rights, not to mention Their CONSCIENCE....of which you seem to have very little.

Indeed, stop with the German-bashing (Unless your "Blaming an entire ethnic group" only applies to your precious Zionists!)

You would indeed have made a "Good, OBEDIANT German" !

I have a right to speak out and condemn bigotry. There are many people of Jewish descent in America who have NO interest in politics. Whether you like it or not, some people don't participate in political discussion. They lead simple lives and do the best they can in making their way through life. For Oden to categorize ALL American Jews who don't speak up AS SHE WANTS THEM TO as "complicit' is pure bigotry. Again. That's what Hitler and the Germans did to Jewry in Europe. That's what the American government did to Americans of Japanese descent in WW2.

GrannyBGood you wrote this: "YES! ANYONE, Jew or otherwise who does NOT speak out against this atrocity -especially in a "Democracy' is COMPLICIT! "

That's not what Oden wrote/said. Oden holds ONLY silent "American Jews" as being complicit. There's a big difference between your words and hers. In fact her whole column is about American Jews.

GrannyBGood wrote to ME: " Indeed, stop with the German-bashing (Unless your "Blaming an entire ethnic group" only applies to your precious Zionists!)

You would indeed have made a "Good, OBEDIANT German" ! "

What the Nazi and the civilized German public did to the Jews of Europe absolutely repulses me. I vowed that I will always speak out against bigotry. If you think the Germans were NOT supportive of the policies of Hitler, you are mistaken. You need to read history more. You need to hear interviews from Nazi era Germans who to this day consider Jews and Russians sub-human.

This obviously gives all of you uneducated, revisionist, anti-semetic, anti-zionist jew haters a forum. And I applaud you for standing up and voicing your opinions so the rest of humanity can see for themselves how much ingorance and hate exists in modern times. What happened, do you feel some injustice because a more educated "Jew" has a better job? Earns more money? Lives in a bigger house? It's important that you keep up your hateful rhetoric so those who are actually members of the human species can recognize your childish yet unmistakable hate for those of the Jewish faith. No doubt you hate the black man, the red man and the yellow man as well. Oh but today, by defending themselves, Israel has given you (And Nacy Oden is counted among you) a forum to let everyone know how uneducated you are and in how many ways you can accuse Israeli's and Jews in general of all the worlds evils. What would you do without them?

If by some miracle you decide to educate yourself to the facts, I suggest you read a history book or two on the subject. Maybe, just maybe you will learn a thing or two about the last 5000 years of middle eastern history. Probably not, so keep on writing and showing real humans how stupid and hateful you are. No doubt you will also respond in some hateful and mean spirited way to this. I look forward to it. Better you should be revealed to the light of day where people can see you.

"War is hell," as it is said Sherman mused, or, as was even more succinctly stated by Brando's Colonel Kurtz, "The horror... the horror." There is no morality in war, indeed, it is the absence of such which serves both its birth and sustenance. With such rare exemption as to make it almost a universal cultural constant, however, "self-defense" is accepted world-wide as a fundamental individual and cultural right, as it is also considered an obligation to protect one's children. With an apology to true pacifists, inherent within the concept of "self defense" is the premise that one must use whatever means will accomplish the goal, and, thus, self-defense cannot be limited with a "no brutality allowed" restraint. Having said this, and of recent hearing many Americans condemn the current actions of Israel, I ask the question, "What would you do after the second or third rocket landed in your child's schoolyard, or on your front porch," and, of your nation, "What policy would you apply towards a neighboring nation which over a long period of time demonstrated that terrorist attacks against the people your homeland were clearly the product of a moral and philosophical mindset which allowed that such attacks were considered by the citizens of the attacking nation a legitimate expression of their cultural and national sovereignty?"

Investigate the following statistics, then ask of yourself, "What if the same percentage of Americans ... Canadians ... Germans ... Saudi Arabians ... had been killed by indiscriminate rocket attacks? What would these nations do?" Did the United States (the nation which invented the concept of "collateral damage" and "incidental casualties") kill any innocent civilians in the bombings of Berlin, Tokyo, Benghazi, or, recently, Baghdad? Nancy, are you willing to our own nantion the same standard of judgment with which you condemn the actions of Israel?

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terror_rate.html

zzzapper,

maybe YOU should "Investigate the following statistics, then ask of yourself, "What if the same percentage of Americans ... Canadians ... Germans ... Saudi Arabians ... had been killed by indiscriminate rocket attacks?"

Do you even KNOW what the "Percentages" over there Are? How does 100 to one sound? Fair to YOU!?

Those rockets are all they HAVE to lob back after everything Israel has done to them, with OUR weaponry: Caged them in, starved them out, bombed them mercilessly-with OUR TWO-TON bombs, that don't just put a hole in the roof; they level entire city blocks! You want to talk "Indiscriminate"? The IDF has GPS, they knew EXACTLY where their bombs, including the White Phosphorous they have been using to BURN CHILDREN's FLESH OFF THEIR BONES, are dropping, including the U.N. compound and school, including the hospitals, and so you "non-political" dolts won't see the horror show (http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza-obama-speaks-out-about-white.html ) they just bombed the media compound. Do you have any idea how IDIOTIC you sound to even compare the two? And you people STILL don't get it, that the truce was broken by the Israelis, NOT the Gazans or Hamas.

And "Googie", I am as educated as most Jews; I like my own house and job just fine, thankyou, and your "envy" argument is pure BS and sounds just like "They hate us for our Freedom" Oh boo hoo!

" No doubt you hate the black man, the red man and the yellow man as well" Right! That's why I marched in the 60's for Equal Rights and voted for Obama!

It appears YOU are being hateful and mean-spirited, not to mention outrageously presumptuous! .

And "Freedomlover" keeps blabbering on about other peoples' ignorance when all he does is expose his own. "I have a right to speak out and condemn bigotry. "

You sure do,... and SO DO WE! ( "Not Political"? What kind of a lame excuse is THAT for excusing JEWISH BIGOTRY!? Oh no! now you're going to tell me there's no such thing!?)

FYI, ZZApper, Nancy and I BOTH have a long history of writing and activating against the injustices of the world, including our OWN government; the difference is, we don't stop at Israel like you do, because we don't feel, as you do, that they have "Special Rights" or should be allowed to play the "Eternal Victims" everytime they want to excuse their barbarism as "Defense".

You want History, Googie? This slow-motion genocide has been going on for over 60 years! In Germany the death camps were "Outsourced", much like Bush/Cheney's torture enterprises are today, so the people wouldn't see it. They owned the media, much like the Jews do today, and that was before people had the internet, so most Germans were truly shocked when the camps were exposed after the war. The Israelis, and their counterparts and sympathizers over here, have NO SUCH EXCUSE, as this horror is happening right in plain sight of everyone in the world! THEY were held accountable, WE are being held accountable for the crimes of Bush/Cheney around the world (even though THEY have yet to be!), and Israel and her sympathizers, enablers and excusers, should be too. The sad part is , the rest of us have ALL been made complicit too by our taxes financing this genocide!

If YOU people are so in love with Israel, go pack your bags, send them all YOUR money if you want , Just leave the rest of us with a conscience OUT of it!

Grannybegood wrote: "so most Germans were truly shocked when the camps were exposed after the war."

That's pure fabrication. Most Germans knew exactly what was happening to their Jewish neighbors.

GrannyBgood: I know this will fall upon a deaf ear, But if Israel is really as bad as you say, they could easly defeat all their enimies because they have nukes, and a stronger army, Funny but, they do not. However if your friend had either, guess what? Israel simply wants to live in peace, but must protect its people, just like any other country would. Finally, a question? Do you get your news directly from Iran?

No Harry.

I get it from CNN, mostly (watched them dropping White Phosphorous on LIVE TV a week before it was mentioned on the "Snooze" you watch; recognized it immediately from Fallujah!) and because I know perfectly well that the Israelis "OWN" our Media (Want links?) we watch FSTV (Free Speech TV, has Democracy NOW, channel 1495) and I get the rest of the story off Non-Zionist-Propaganda sites on the Internet, like Op Ed News(http://www.opednews.com/), Information Clearing House (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/), Alternet(http://www.alternet.org/), etc, where there are excellent REAL Journalists, Pulitzer-prize-winning ones, actually (and since you have internet too, there's no excuse for your ignorance, so go do your homework, like I said, and send ME some links if you find anything I said wasn't true! ). Also the BBC site: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7836869.stm) where you can see this morning the true extent of the damages in Gaza. There are now at least 1,234 dead Palestinian/Gazans, with more bodies being pulled from the rubble as we speak, 5,450 injured and counting, compared to THIRTEEN Israelis, ten of whom were soldiers, half of THOSE killed by their own friendly fire! That's MORE than a hundred eyes for ONE of theirs!

What's NOT to despise about this disproportional destruction, and the people who would defend it? What part of Grossly UNFAIR don't you understand?

As far as them using their nukes...nothing "funny about it.....wait and see, I guess.....that would also render their own land uninhabitable, wouldn't it?

If that "proves" to you that they "Only want Peace" I feel sorry for your gullibility...no wonder it's been so easy for them to con you with their propaganda!

And "Freedomlover" (if that's indeed what you are!? Your Moniker sounds a lot like the Bushisms of "Clear Skies", "No Child Left Behind" "Iraqui Freedom" and "Mission Accomplished"!) you are once again talking out of your you-know-where! (Viable LINKS, Please?)

Were YOU in Germany then? Have you ever had this conversation with a real German? Can you send me any proof that "Most Germans knew exactly what was happening to their Jewish neighbors."? or is that just more Zionist propaganda you're spewing? (Do YOU know all the atrocities YOUR government has committed?)

I was'nt quite born yet then, but my parents lived through this hell, and they WERE shocked, as were most citizens. My Grandfather was threatened for speaking out against Hitler's rants against the Jews, in his own hotel bar, by the officers quartered there. Both my mother's family and my father's in Eastern Germany were torn apart by Hitler's war, and they all paid dearly for their "Leader's" mistakes (as we will no-doubt pay the consequences of OUR criminal leader GW Bush, and his slavish fealty to Israel. ) I myself spent years feeling ashamed of what was done in the country of my birth, even though I and my family had no direct part in it. I always gave Israel the benefit of the doubt, for years, until I could no longer deny their hypocrisy in the reality of what was going on there. And now you would blame those who didn't speak out in Germany, where the Media was entirely state-owned, while excusing those who don't speak out against Israel's atrocities in this era of modern information?

The author, Nancy Oden seems extremely lacking in historical knowledge.Maybe she should look up some things like the Hebron Massacre in 1929 and other Arab atrocities against Jews BEFORE there ever was an Israel reborn.

All you ever hear is Israel kicked out Arabs and caused the refugee problem, that the land has always belongs to the Muslims, and a large assortment of propaganda from Arab papers and other media that would make Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda for Nazi Germany proud since he said:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Below rufutes all the unrefined bovine plant food that the world seems to accept since it is said over and over.

#1 The root of Arab hostility is not Israel, but rather anti-Jewish feeling for hundreds of years, past & present "peace" efforts that don't recognize this are doomed to failure.

#2 Mecca was probably founded by Jews, and Mohomed's hatred of Jews was partly based on financing his endevors by plundering Jewish wealth, just as Henry VIII & the Protestants plundered Catholic monastaries in

the 1600s to fund English operations.

#3 "Palestine" never existed as a country, language or people

#4 There were really very few Arabs in "Palestine" before the 1890s (less than 600,000 in Israel and Jordan for several hundred years). Jews did not displace Arab farmers.

#5 Arabs settlers flooded in *after* the Jews came in a ratio sometimes approaching 10 Arabs to 1 Jew. The massive Arab settlers caused the British to say that Palestine was "full", and in a sense displaced potential

Jewish refugees from Europe.

#6 The British were in violation of their mandate when they created Jordan, and the Mandate Commission, the U.S. and several others vigorously opposed this at the time. Four out of the seven overseers on the Mandate Commission were going to vote to reject the British "White Papers" but then WWII broke out.

#7 The British ignored Arab immigration and purposely assisted Arab to come into what would be Israel. They actually told the French to *stop* policing the Syrian-Lebanon border. The British foiled all efforts to enforce border control with Jordan.

#8 In spite of a vigorous British campaign to stop Jewish immigration into Palestine "because there was no room for more Jews", the British brought in thousands of Arab workers who settled in Palestine.

#9 The British carried out a campaign of Arab appeasment in violation of the Mandate, even firing on Jewish immigrant boats, before -during -and even after the holocaust.

#10 When war broke out in 1948, about 600,000 Arabs left Israel because they had only been there for a couple of years.

#11 The Arab states, especially the Mufti (Arafat's uncle) worked close with the Nazi's. The Mufti set up office in Berlin.

#12 The U.N. Changed their definition of a "refugee" for Palestinians to include anyone who had lived in Israel for *two years*

#13 After the war in 1948 about 600,000 Jewish refugees left Arab countries for Israel after being persecuted there.

And leaves the point that the Arabs, and especially the British (by dividing Palestine twice, and imposing strict quotas) were largely to blame for not providing an escape for Jews of the holocaust.

Quotes from Arab papers:

ON APRIL 23, 1948 Jamal Husseini, acting chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee (AHC), told the UN Security Council: "The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce ... They preferred to abandon their homes,,belongings and everything they possessed."

ON SEPTEMBER 6, 1948, the Beirut Daily Telegraph quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the AHC, as saying: "The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously..."

ON JUNE 8, 1951, Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily al-Hoda that in 1948, Azzam Pasha, then League secretary, had "assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade ... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighbouring fraternal states."

IN THE MARCH 1976 issue of Falastin a-Thaura, then the official journal ofthe Beirut-based PLO, Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen"), PLO spokesman, wrote: "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the

Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."

ON APRIL 9, 1953, the Jordanian daily al-Urdun quoted a refugee,Yunes Ahmed Assad, formerly of Deir Yassin, as saying: "For the flight and fall of the other villages, it is our leaders who are responsible,

because of the dissemination of rumours exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... they instilled fear and terror into the hearts of the Arabs of Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and property to the enemy."

ANOTHER refugee told the Jordanian daily a-Difaa on September 6, 1954: "The Arab governments told us, 'Get out so that we can get in.' So we got out, but they did not get in."

THE JORDANIAN daily Falastin wrote on February 19, 1949: "The Arab states... encouraged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."

ON OCTOBER 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs: "There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements

made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit ... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."

THE PRIME Minister of Syria in 1948, Khaled al-Azem, in his memoirs, published in 1973, listed what he thought were the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948: "... the fifth factor was the call by the Arab

governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and leave for the bordering Arab countries ... We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees bycalling on them and pleading with them to leave their land."

"FOLLOWING a visit to refugees in Gaza, a British diplomat reported the following: 'But while they express no bitterness against the Jews...they speak with the utmost bitterness of theEgyptians and other Arab states: 'We know who our enemies are,' they will say, and they are referring to their Arab brothers who, they declare, persuaded them unnecessarily to leave their homes."

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British Foreign Office Document #371/75342/XC/A/4991

[From "Revising or Devising Israel's History" by Prof. Shlomo

Slonim in Jewish Action, Summer 5760/2000, Vol. 60 #4]

Jerusalem as the third most Holy site in Islam?Jerusalem's role as "The Third Holiest Site in Islam" in mainstream Islamic writings does not precede the 1930s. It was created by the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al Husseini , Hitler's Mufti. The land was in Turkish (Muslim) hands, yet take a good look at the pictures of their so called Holy site,deserted and falling apart. http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/templemount.html

Isn't it ironic how Israelis are vulnerable now to being compared with Nazis.