Start taking benefits away from these severely mentally ill groups of people who can't stop minding other people's business.

They are not equipped to handle the rights that they have!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

Mainelyme, that's pretty harsh. I see your comments on BDN a lot on here and most of the time they are pretty intolerant. How do you expect people to listen if you don't? Both sides are talking....it's a start. Give credit where credit is due.

I'm guessing that if the legislature passes same sex marriage it will be crushed by a peoples' veto. If same sex marriage didn't survive in California, I doubt it will in Maine.

why not just bend the two "Bills" over and give them a shot at each other! haha

does anyone else find it insane that it is even a question if two gays should be allowed to marry? There was a time, in the good old days when they'd just be tossed off a bridge!

God made Eve for Adam!! He has always intended for a WOMAN to be a MANS helper~ NO TO GAY RIGHTS!!!

JoyJessun,

That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever seen. That man that was tossed over the bridge was someones child, brother, cousin, and friend. Your a discusting human being. What difference does it make to you or to anyone who is allowed to be married? If you have a gay or lesbian couple living down the street from you and they are married, how will it effect your daily life? It wont? So why should it matter? Why should they not be allowed to have the same rights that everyone else has?

The day they can consumate the marrage and bear children naturally then let them gat married.

Until then they should stay in their little closets

The purpose of marrage is for a loving ma and woman to get married and bear children (naturally) and raise

JoyJessun - you are an ignorant hick

Here's to the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman:

USA Divorce Rate Statistics of 1st, 2nd and 3rd Marriages

Various studies on US Divorce rate show significant differences when a comparison is made in 1st, 2nd and 3rd marriage, divorce rate in America.

* Divorce rate in America after first marriage is from 41% to 50%.

* US divorce rate after second marriage is from 60% to 67%

* After 3 marriages the US divorce rate is from 73% to 74%

wouldn't want the gays screwing this up now would we

I can't bear a child so I guess my husband and I should have our marriage annulled....we still love each other and will just have to live in sin....the I'll loose the right to visit him if he's sick or have any say over his care....I won't have a right to his SS if he dies...so I'd loose the home that we have built together...and if I were to sell said home his kids would get the money.....does any of this sound fair?....it's not.....this about civil rights...and fact no one that lives together with out marriage had any of the these rights...be they gay or straight...the time has come to stop trying run other peoples lives...

Twice Maine voters have voted AGAINST homosexual marriage! There is no such thing as homosexual marriage! Marriage is a holy union of a man and a woman before God!

All of you homosexuals need to DEAL WITH IT!

I think the time has come that there be a LACK of bearing children. (I'm not saying to prohibit, I'm just saying don't push the subject. If it happens, it happens.) Don't you think the earth has enough people on it right now? Let's not make this whole thing about who can create who, or what your god says. Just because you decide to be lead around like mindless sheep and believe everything a book tells you does NOT mean that other people have not WOKEN UP, and can think for themselves and act on their own accord as to what is right and wrong. A woman to be a MAN'S helper?? How incredibly ridiculous and narrow minded are you? Hello people! Wake up, it's 2009. The tables have turned. The world and our people EVOLVE. Roles in marriage have flip-flopped. Common households no longer have the "man goes to work, woman takes care of children" mentality. No wonder it's so cold here, people's minds are stuck in the ice age. And "there is no such thing as homosexual marriage"? Who are you? The almighty all knower of everything? Seriously, get your damn heads out of that 2000 year old fairytale that you have been reading and look around you. Everything changes. I think that YOU need to deal with that.

laking:

Intolerant?

Would you consider it discussing something if I cut and pasted whole pages of Webster's New and Unabridged Dictionary on these threads and told you, "Here are the words. Take your pick of the ones that apply and arrange them, accordingly.".

These Bible thumoers commandeer every thread with the same self righteous garbage everytime a person's human rights are going to be discussed.

There isn't even any reason to discuss anyone else's human rights. They should just be given.

A bunch of old ladies and old men acting just like them who can't get any attention any other way because they go to their meeting house, and they are joined by others just like them who are so strongly condemining each other that they don't even nod in recognition to each other for fear the others will start right in on the swill that they are spewing forth with just as equal a force.

If I want to listen to this ill informed Voodoo then I'll answer the door the many times the Jehovah Witnesses bother me by ringing my bell.

Believe me, if it weren't against the law I would hook up a strong pain killing electrical charge to the buzzer, then they could really suffer for what they think is their God, and the rest of us can sleep on Sunday Morning and all the other holidays.

Let these people and the so called preacher men who are living off their self righteousness go out in the world and work for a living.

Everybody else does!

Mainelyme

See what I mean?

Mainelyme

, SharonFaith:

At least you're reading me.

Now try to get some faith!

Mainelyme

SharonFaith;

And while you're at it try to get some tolerance of others besides yourself!

Mainelyme

Sharon Faith - Great you have faith! Wonderful you believe in the bible. But, can you please shut up now? Just a thought.

kylie00:

So using your logic, couples like my parents who were not able to bear children should not have been allowed to marry? What about couples who get married with no intention of having children, or because one or both of them have had surgery are not able to?

It's really too bad that otherwise friendly docile people are forced to be rude to these people but, that's the nature of the beast.

I'd gladly vote for same sex marriage before I'd vote to allow mentally disturbed people like this cast a ballot on any subject in any election!

Mainelyme

A "people's veto" has no authority over a religious or constitutional issue. If it's determined to be unconstitutional for gays to be prevented from marrying, then they'll be able to marry. Sorry haters, the Constitution trumps you.

(Cue "Twilight Zone" music as Sharon ascends heavenward: doo doo doo doo...)

Sharon you really make me wonder -- "Are you God"? Cause I mean you just know so much.

As I said. Leave your god out of it. And when I said " Lack of bearing children" I did not mean "Let's go and kill a bunch of kids, or kill kids that are born because of their sex or whatever. I meant, along with saying "the earth has enough people" that just because someone does not procreate does not mean it's a bad thing. What your bible fails to mention is that the earth has an resources that do not just POOF appear like so said in the creation of earth, as told in the bible. Our planet is being over-populaced by the second and cannot provide the adequate resources for everyone and everything living on it's surface. So be it if there are couples who do not reproduce. In fact, they do better by adopting children that have no families, and providing them with love and support that the original mother/father/family did not want to or could not provide. None of your jargin about the bible or references thereof quoted mean anything to me. I used to actually go to church, follow the religion, until I started reading the bible thoroughly, and asking questions of those older than me. They could not give me any. I don't care to be with those people anymore, or follow a religion that finds it disgusting to be who you really are. I found that most of the "religious" people that I was friends with, turned out to be the most hateful, narrow minded, and judgmental people of all. You can pray for my soul, chant incantations, do whatever you want. I still believe that people, who are happy and not harming anyone else, should be able to live their lives undisturbed by your god's connotations on what is right and what is wrong. Your god has born nothing but violence and wars and suffering for thousands of years, trying to abolish the free thinking of peoples. Let those who love each other prosper in their own right. Give them their rights. They are not harming anyone. You can still go to church and worship your god and do whatever you like. Now let them live their lives how they see fit in order to be happy. You need not conform to a religion or go to church to be happy. And yes, Mainlyme can say some ridiculous things. But since you can also be allowed to post your religious ramblings on here, as well as I am allowed to post my thoughts, so will he (or she??).

It says in the Bible, Matthew 19:4-6. And He answered and said to them, " Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female', and said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh"? " So then, they ar no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man seperate." Try reading Genesis 1:27 So God made man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, " be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." If they allow gay/ lesbian marriages, how can they fullfill God's commandment to be fruitfull and multiply? God intended to have one man and one woman for one life time. If He intended to bless same sex marriages, why would He create both male and female? Why not just create only male or only female? I'll tell you why. Because thats the way God intended it to be, one man and one female for one life time.

kateindfcity

HE.

Actually....... Anne... it can. Thats why you have been seeing me online here admoishing the lawmakers to write the new law correctly. "Proposition 8 is a statewide ballot proposition in California. On November 4, 2008, voters approved the measure and made same-sex marriage illegal in California. The campaign over Proposition 8 was fiercely contested. In the aftermath of the vote, an intense focus on Proposition 8 has continued, with those who support same-sex marriage coming together every day since the election in rallies and protests.

Proposition 8 adds a new amendment to the California Constitution which says, "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California". Before it passed, same-sex marriage was a constitutionally-protected right in California; a majority of the justices of the California Supreme Court affirmed this understanding of the constitution in May 2008.

Three lawsuits seeking to invalidate Proposition 8 were filed soon after the election; on November 19, the California Supreme Court announced that it will consider these lawsuits. Proposition 8 will remain in force during this period of judicial review. Oral arguments in the case are expected to be heard in March 2009.[1],[2],[3],[4]

Proposition 8 received 52.5% of the vote in the state's unofficial vote canvass; the Secretary of State's office will not officially call the results of Prop 8 until December 13 after they have been able to count all absentee and provisional ballots. " Source Ballotpedia.org

California Proposition 8

Votes Percentage

Yes 6,838,107 52.3%

No 6,246,463 47.7%

Total votes 13,084,570 100%

Every gay-marraige law that has ever gone to the voters in a statewide ballot has been repealed. I reiterate.. make sure the law can stand up to the voters and the constitution.

The Bible seems to say an awful lot of things but, does it also address the issue of people speaking for God?'

In twenty five words or less, please!

Mainelyme

sldunton51:

The State of Maine licenses two people to be married, not any house of worship. In fact, a member of the clergy is not required for a straight couple to be legally joined.

It has nothing to do with religion, except if the couple wants it to be so.

Let me ask you - where does one go to obtain a divorce? To a house of worship? Not, to a State court of law. If you were to follow the actual teaching that you cite, you would be working to outlaw divorce - do you want to do that? Because if you say, "No, I do not want to outlaw divorce," then you are picking and choosing what to follow out of the Bible - you are not being consistent.

If a male and female are the ideal combination and the only one that these experts on God's will want to be recognized as such, then why is it the first thing a woman has to do right after the marriage is start a fight with her mother in law in order to wrest the groom from his otherwise devoted and caring mother?

At least with same sex marriage a mother won't be losing a son or a daughter, she'll only be gaining an extra one.

Mainelyme

It used to irk me that the senior center next door would hold open mike programs and the younger center workers would get up and sing rendition after rendition of, "Yes, Jesus Loves Me."

Then it came to me that these younger people were born and raised in a carefully religion manipulated ghetto and, as part of the mind control process that was the only song that they were ever taught to sing.

The shame of it is that they are forced to believe that they are doing God's work by dragging the rest of the world into the ghetto with them.

Mainelyme

SharonFaith wrote:

Sorry haters of God...God's law trumps man's laws. Even if man's laws declare homosexual marriages "legal", it still won't be "legal" in God's eyes.

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No one is asking God to view same-sex marriages as legal. How is it that you don't understand that?

Thanks Rep Fossel for finally bring up a LOGICALl solution. This addresses the basic civil rights without calling it marriage thereby trampling on the tender toes of those feeble minded people who read the work of fiction that they call the bible. There will be some who will be disappointed that their union lacks the word "marriage"... big deal. And there will be some who will be disappointed and will unfortunately continue to spew the toxic trash that comes from the pews.

Sharon Faith: will you please stop quoting the bible already, I mean I must have heard the same verses quoted by you and others hundreds of times. They didn't make sense before... They DON'T MAKE SENSE NOW. Please step away from the keyboard

SharonFaith:

I don't hate God.

I love God.

I hate you!

Mainelyme

laking? Thank you. Mainelyme thinks she owns these columns, hates anything that is unknown to her, similar to her, or against what she writes. You are not the first person or last one to make the comment that you did: "Mainelyme, that's pretty harsh. I see your comments on BDN a lot on here and most of the time they are pretty intolerant". I came up with this user name since all the other ones I wanted to use were in use and I've been slammed, put down, and whatever by Mainelyme and her side kick Ann_of_MDI. I'm sure writing this will also bring out the best of those two. But as you wrote--others have to. Most of the time the comments she makes are intolerant. My name IS similar to hers but IT IS MY NAME and I am not one of the many they accuse me to be, think I am, or want others to say I am. Just wanted to add my own comment. I also agree that it is a start that both sides are talking about how to deal with the same sex marriage. Angela W. Germantown, WI (formerly of Maine)

Mainelyme is a man.

MainelyMe2, I realize now that you're not the same as those other idiots, or the one idiot who is posing as all of the idiots, and I'm sorry for accusing you of that. For the record, though, I think your username is stupid.

Just out of curiosity...............Everyone that is on the bandwagon for same sex marriage. How come mankind is the only species that engages in homoexual behavior?? No other animals do this, maybe because this is not natural. Not shoving my Bible down your throat, just a scientific fact...

who are you ilovebama_37129? are you the same person as ilovebama?

whitnmeme:

Ain't that the truth!

Mainelyme

Actually, ilovebama, other species of animals have been found to conduct relationships with members of the SAME sex. If you would maybe research these things that have scientific and observed PROOF, instead of referring to your ancient text, you would see this. Here is a article from National Geographic: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html . AND here, a science magazine : http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php or try one of these"

- http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

- http://www.livescience.com/animals/080516-gay-animals.html

-http://www.livescience.com/animals/080516-gay-animals.html

now have fun READING.

Angela W. Germantown, WI (formerly of Maine):

What are you going to do now march on Poland Springs, Maine/

Mr. Perley James Thibodeau

Mainelyme

If and when Adam and Steve get married, which one will wear the wedding gown? If this freaking law by some freak of nature passes, at least these cork soakers wont be producing any welfare babies.

MoeBolduc:

'Who's going to wear the wedding gown?"

The one who's man enough to do it!

Mainelyme

SharonFaith,

Once again we find our favorite fundie, you, trying to use your scripture to define civil law.

Once again I'd like to point out to you: The civil law of Maine, and The United States, is not based on your holy book. In fact, a citizens right to smash the first of your 10 commandments to tiny little bits. Why is it that you refuse to see the facts behind our civil law?

Believe what you want, but keep it out of the laws of our nation. It's people like you that make people like me...

kylie00,

Why then do we allow marriage between people who cannot or choose not to breed? Shouldn't we annul any marriage that doesn't produce offspring within the first 10 months?

whycontroltherage,

Thanks... nice to see honest reason in here for a change.

searoses,

You are dead on. Hope you are well.

frostheev,

Voters were against Civil RIghts for blacks and interracial marriage as well... but the government did the right thing.

anne_of_mdi,

Sensible as always.

Everyone,

This will happen. If you haven't noticed, there's not one rational reason not to that's been put forth in any context yet. Same sex marriage has no victim, so there's no way you'll prove it should remain as it is without resorting to repulsive world views or religious pandering.

Get over it!

SharonFaith who cares man's law rules on earth

Yes my dear Perley, it is the truth !!

Kate I am glad you cleared that up. I for one have seen my two male dogs go at "it".

So Kylie what are you thoughts on people who adopt children? The people that do artificial insemination?

I would like to know why is every one's business if people are attracted to the same gender? Why do people really care? Do all the straight people go around telling their friends about what goes on in their bedroom? I surely don't. I don't care who a person loves, just as long as they are loved. I say let homosexuals have the right to marry whom ever they want. You bible bangers say it is a sin, well then God will be the one to judge them.Not you, unless you are God. Isn't one of the commandments" thou shall not judge thy neighbor"?

Why do we always have to drag religion into EVERYTHING these days??? Gay rights, the damn coffee shop, the election, and on and on.... Religion has been the root cause of some pretty evil sh*t in this world. Dare I say it? If anything should be banned, maybe it should be_____.... SharonFaith, do you have any idea what it's like to have religion shoved down your throat when it's not welcome? To you I can imagine it would be much like a gay couple showing up on your doorstep and making out in front of you. Consider that next time you decide to go on and on(frankly whenever I see your name I just skip- probably like many others do now I would imagine.) You might say this isn't the same at all but to someone who has no belief in your god it can become very offensive, so please, stop, if I want a sermon, I will go to the church of my choosing.

BTW- ever heard of an ancient God named Horus? Him and Jesus share some very interesting parallels, only Horus came thousands of years before Jesus. Both were born of virgins, Horus' mother's name was Miriaum, Jesus' of course was Ma(e)ry, Horus birth was announced by angles, he was visited by 3 shepards, they were led by the star Sirius, Horus had 12 disciples, performed miracles, was crucified, resurrected, etc.....You can google it, the similarities are all very interesting.

MDLFNGR, very good question you asked. Maybe the all knowing SharonFaith will answer. (hopefully not).

I love your post by the way.

Everybody is doing a wonderful job at getting rid of the Bible thumpers.

Now if we can just man the voting polls and beat them back there we'll have some active Human Rights Laws.

Mainelyme

SharonFaith

Just stop. That book of yours is NOT what the laws of our land are based upon.

Serving a god other than yours is protected. Adultery is NOT a crime. Sodomy is NOT a crime. Lying (unless under oath) is NOT a crime. Yet they are all against the tenants of your religion.

We live in a land where it is understood that people of all stripes are to be treated equally and with dignity. We do not base our laws over treatment of our citizens based upon a many-times-translated book of parables.

Why do you think that constantly spouting off scripture is going to have any effect on the outcome of same-sex marriage?

I don't get it.

Sharon honestly what do you think you are accomplishing by posting all the bible quotes. I do believe if any one wanted to see or hear about such things a person would go to church. I for one don't like being preached too on a comment section of the BDN.

Mainelyme, I never made any reference to religion at all in my comment so I am not sure where your comment back to me came from. All I said is both sides are talking.

Because there are some radicals out there is is fair to stereo type all "so called" christiians? Is christian bashing right and every other bashing out there wrong? You sound like a very angry, unfair person.

SharonFaith

I have to thank you. You're making me understand why islam is spreading so fast in the world. Good grief...

SharonFaith-----Please, you really have to give this up. At least on these comment sections! You will never get anywhere here with this. I'm sure there are places you would be much better heard and you are only making a lot of people very unhappy with you. We all have our own way of believing, and you are doing way more harm then good!

God is just Santa Claus for adults.

, laking:

I believe you are replying to my reply in which I addressed the Bible Thumpers at large and you called me intolerant.

I'm not intolerant of anything that doesn't hurt other beings on this earth.

I usually address the issue if they are and if it gets too hurting I just call the police.

No, I'm not a very angry unfair person.

Just highly discusted.

As for judging all Christians the same way, I'm a firm believer from sad experience that people are known by the company they keep.

Maybe all over zealous Christians should start preaching to each other, and just leave the rest of us people the hell alone.

Mainelyme

Perley, given that the average homosexual lifespan is anywhere from 10-30 years shorter than a heterosexual, shouldn't you be intolerant of a lifestyle that robs its adherents of a substantial portion of their life?

Even in more "enlightened" gay-friendly countries, the lifespan is considerably shorter. Where this lifestyle is so harmful to human health, shouldn't we either 1) Tax it or 2) Introduce regulation to discourage it? Even smokers live longer. Look what we're doing to them...

Again, SharonFaith may have said something of substance(doubt it), wouldn't know though, I see those numbers and colons flying around and hit the down key! LOL. SHARON, your're giving Christians a very BAD reputation!! You are doing the opposite of what you intend to do here. (why do I bother....) Reminds me of my Sunday school teacher that was fired for scaring all the kids in my class by teaching nothing but the revelations to a bunch of 10 yr olds.

dirigodad:

You got your facts and figures right but, the group of men wrong.

Statistics say that married men on a whole live longer than single men do.

Sexual preference has never been mentioned in regard to this survey.

I assume that they are saying a man who has a woman to cater to his every whim lives a much more calm and healthful existance and so he lives longer than a man who has to fend for himself in all matters of life.

Of course, this is all a fallacy put out by woman who want to manipulate men into marriage and legal bondage.

How many men have actually dropped dead early just to get away from a nagging spiteful, overly greedy woman that he mistakenly married.

And how many old queens are there fluttering happily about the landscape spending the family's vast fortune by having been a good boy to a miserable old aunt whom nobody else could stand?

It's all in the genes, Sir. It's all in the genes.

Mainelyme

"Sexual preference has never been mentioned in regard to this survey."

Uhhh...no. Studies have been done that proved this.

And I particularly enjoyed the way you destroyed your own argument in your post. That was entertaining.

Have a good night!

KEEP GAYS OUT OF MAINE

Bible aside, I think people should follow this simple advice. Let people do what they want to do. It's america, that's what we were founded on. I don't particularly care for the Gay Agenda, but I think that if a LOGGER BOB wants to be with LOGGER JIM it's fine. The whole animal thing is BS and you know it. Although there are some pretty sick people out there who would marry a dog. Let alone LOGGER BOB marrying his dog Jimbo who's a male dog...

But I'm saying that: DO NOTHING THAT HARMS NOBODY. I don't see whats different about my straight self worshiping the moon and some guy worshiping a flying spaghetti monster or hell even your christian god. What's the difference between bread and toast? Both are equally the same thing, but ones a little different. If people can't tolerate difference, then we'll all be Obama's Slaves.

I personally believe marriage is between man and a woman, but I'm all for gays and lesbians having a civil unionship. I don't understand whats so big about a wedding anyway. OH WOW you bought me a $500 ring and I wore a dress. Getting back to that what the hell are people thinking when 2 guys get married. One wear a dress or something? Allah be praised!

I think more or less that if you don't bring your gay agenda on to my turf, you're ok. I'm not, nor do I want or have ever been gay, I think you're just as oppressive as us BREEDERS when it comes to that. If we want to marry a woman or have a relationship with a woman you have to tolerate us as well.

lemonparty.org

After twice being shot down, why is a bill being submitted yet again. How can these people we elect to be our representation in Augusta claim their constituents want this? They just have to find a way to get their name in the news but in the mean time, they're costing the state money that could be better spent elsewhere at this point in time. Isn't anyone paying attention to the economy and not backing away from frivolous spending?

Same sex marriage was a recent topic of discussion here in the bible belt of Alabama. As a recent transplant from Hancock county, I expected the worst as far as close minded comments and attitudes....however, I was pleasantly surprised. Here's the most common sentiment : I agree with the people that say let em get married. I think all of God's creatures should be slowly nagged to death by a spouse (God knows mine is trying).

This is a topic that can only be decided by putting it to vote yet again.

searoses I feel so said for you, ya right. To bad so sad.

JustKev1955 I totally agree with you said just right !

What does god have to do with giving human beings all the same rights, no matter what the faith or, sexual orientation. Grief can you imagine that because Abraham had owned slaves, we should not have prohibited slavery in 1862.

Or how about because it says in most of the bible passages women are like possession or cattle. Should we take away women rights too. I guess the only reason women are on earth is make babies because that’s what is says in the bible.

Does anyone remember in history when Hitler tried to genocide the Jewish people.

That is what wrong with the country today everyone is trying to push their religious faith on one another.

If there is a god, I think god would want us all to do the human thing and give everyone the same rights no matter what color you are or the sex you are or religion you believe in. we are all suppose to be created in god image. If one type of person is denied rights then so should it be the same for everyone.

No one has ever proved to me there is a god and I for one don’t like being forced down my throat buy some preacher ass that there is one. I want to believe in what I choose, not forced by someone that goes blindly through life on faith alone.

I wonder how the preaching type people would like it if they were forced to shut up about their god. Now that is something we should be looking into making a law, Read the constitution people separation of church and state. No where in the constitution does it say no gay marriage.

But in the bill of rights is does state, people shall not be discriminated for Race Sex, and Faith, maybe its time to add sexual orientation also, to shut-up these society do-gooders that’s have no common sense.

One question though is giving the gays right to marriage going to screw-up the world or, slow down the economy. The right wing republicans already did that for us. Maybe we should outlaw right wing republicans and take their rights away. I’Am a happily married educated women and not a lesbian but if I were I would really resent being told by someone that I was wrong in how I feel about life. Or not be able to spend the last dying moments with a lover because I’m not married nor have the right to be there because of some stupid do-gooders philosophy says I can’t.

BTW: I strongly agree with mainelyme .

Besides I like his smart-ass comments. Most of the time they hit the point of the thread.

Were most of these comments on here are irrational and unfounded facts with little common sense, Just going on their emotions.

The more we become educated the more we loose our common sense

In Maine couples under the Dom Pat Registry are already afforded most of the same rights as marriage. BUT I think they should be afforded more, BUT NOT CALL IT MARRIAGE.. I am sorry a Marriage is between a single man and woman. Not same sex couple or a man and 2 women or a woman and 2 men etc....

How many of you bible thumpers agree with joyjessun:

I asked them what if by chance that one of their children turned out to be gay, would she toss them out and never have anything to do with them again,,,,,,

their reply was that they would kill them,,,,, called it a mercy killing.

Why is anybody even interested in hearing what they say,,,, when sombody says that they would kill their own child for being differant?

Very poor excuse for a human being.

Joyjessun: If your so religous and would kill your own child if they were gay , what makes you think that you wouldn't go to hell?

By your ignorance , your on your way at this point.

People seem to forget that the US is not a democracy, but a Democratic Republic. Our founding fathers realized that the majority can be a tyranical force. If we were to govern with a majority rule mentality then there would still be slavery and interracial marriage would be illegal. So the simple reason the people of maine have voted down gay marriage says nothing to the moral justice that civil equality mandates that gay marriage to be legalized.

It also says that eating shelfish is a sin, so there are going to be alot of people in hell.

As I've said before, even Jerry Falwell laughed when admitting that he used condemning Homosexuals as the best way to fleece his flock.

Mainelyme

it makes sense guys, the bill has been shot down twice, and in most other states (except for Mass and Connecticut I believe) the bills have been shot down, why hasn't the gay agenda just admitted defeat.

it was the bible that said "ye shall be defeated unholy satan"

KEEP GOD OUT OF MAINE

Why don't the Bible Thumpers admit defeat?

They have the least to gain personally, and by alienating the vast majority of the human race they also have the most to lose!

Mainelyme

GeraldWeinand

If you think packing the old hershey highway will get you kids, then keep doing it

these people have been defeated twice and here they com again.

the trenton rep. looks like he`s been bent over a couple too many times

Even California, where you would expect this to pass said NO

kylie00:

You're a real expert at it I can see that.

As we've all been saying; "Whatever pleasures you!"

Mainelyme

So are we to redefine marrage

will it be between a man, woman, man , woman or any combinatiion

and why not between 2 women and 1 man or 1 woman and 2 men

why should it matter if a person has 2,3, or 4 spouses as long as everyone is happy

This way your cousin can be your uncle or even your brother too

the possibilities are endless.

can you imagine the endless limits

and let`s take the age limits off too

Let`s do it all the way

let`s face it once you let the cat out of the bag the idiots will want everthing

kylie00:

Please, if you don't have anything new to add then don't add it!

Just step to your favorite position in the rear!

Mainelyme

MsKnowitAll, can you point out for me in the Bill of Rights where it states that people shall not be discriminated against? And you charge others with making comments that are unfounded in facts. Wow!

Perley: Once again, you touch on a real nugget of truth. So now, the researchers have to limit their scope to perfectly healthy gay men? AIDS has to be removed from the equation? Good grief, man...That's the whole point! Homosexual behavior is responsible for the drastically shortened lifespan and ill health.

...And it's not like gays are suffering due to lack of adequate healthcare...as has been shown time and again, homosexuals generally have a higher income level than heterosexuals. So what gives? And, lest you want to make the argument that homosexuality is genetic, then I'd counter that if it is, it must be a horrible disease that robs its victims or years of life...and a cure must be found to rid the earth of this scourge. Either that, or it should be severely taxed, just like every other unhealthy habit (after all, that's what you libs want to do with other destructive behaviors).

Or are you secretly happy with the much lower lifespan because that eases the threat of the massive overpopulation that's threatening our natural resources? I'll play the argument any way you want to take it.

Dirigodad, no one believes your stupid life span idiocy.

Dirigodad, stupid people have more accidents. Does that mean god doesn't love stupid people?

Annie of mdi wrote: "Dirigodad, no one believes your stupid life span idiocy."

Written by a close-minded liberal with her head stuck in the sand.

And there you go again...bringing religion into the argument!!

LOL!

That goes along with the old saw about doctors telling people that drinking alcohol kills them

Of course, that made the drinkers counter with," Then why are there more old drunks then there are old doctors?"

Hee Haw!

Mainelyme

dirigodad:

When posters start to put messages on here like you have been doing that's a sure sign that this thread has died an un natural death.

Mainelyme

Perley, I agree...because, from what I've seen, no one has the gumption to address the issues that I've raised...

All they (including you) can do is attempt to mock and disparage those on the right.

So, apparently we come to a dead end and you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation.

But it was fun while it lasted.

, dirigodad:

Denying a goodly number of people their basic Human Rights may well be fun to you but, it's a very serious subject to the rest of us.

Furthermore; you really haven't raised anything: issues or otherwise.

And I can't help but feel that's your real problem.

Mainelyme

On 9/17 Joy Jessun wrote, "There was a time, in the good old days when they'd just be tossed off a bridge!'

Pretty harsh words. I wonder if she has the same opinion of Blacks, jews, or catholics. I'll bet she does.

To bad closed minds don't come with closed mouths.

LOL kylie....

I'd like to be married to 2 or more women.

no fattys

Remember, arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Oympics. Even if you win, you're still retarted.

Giving the number of qoutes from that book of fiction and fairy tales known as the Bible in the comments, I'd say Bangor has a fair amount of retards in it.

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Case closed.

mousehunt

You're still sprewing forth the same garbage you've been trashing up the threads with for months.

Talk about a one sentence mind.

And to think that it's not even an intelligent sentence.

I can see why you always had to copy and paste from the previously writtten Bible.

It's a shame that your parents were able to procreate but, the worse shame is that they obviously didn't even believe in abortions.

Mainelyme

There seems to be a lot of hatred around here. Regardless of your religion, rights should not be denied to anyone based on their sexual orientation. That is discrimination. It is our right is to have separation of church and state and be free from discrimination. This has nothing to do with your beliefs or whether you have a moral obligation to protect people. Its about equal human rights, respect, and tolerance. Unfortunately, people feel the need to make everyone believe what they do. I can ignore the preaching, but when it comes to legal rights, my childrens education, and making laws based on religion or other biblical "morals" I draw the line. Do not force your religion on my rights and the rights of other mainers.

~Married, Atheist, Mom of 2

mama,

You say that you object to legal rights, your children's education and making laws based on religion or other Biblical morals. On the contrary, you have no problem with legal rights, your children's education and making laws based on the religions of humanism and atheism. You couldn't care less about separation of church and state...your entire concern is that Biblical Christianity be removed from the realm of public debate. If you really, really cared about the so-called separation of church and state, you'd be protesting the adoption of humanistic and atheistic standards of morality.

Why is it that you and others like you become Theophobic when discussing these matters? You have no problem shoving your religion down everyone else's throat...

Perley, not that it matters...but....

No one in the state of Maine is denying anyone anything. Gays have every right to get married to someone of the opposite gender. I don't have a right to marry someone of the same gender (not that I would) because no such right exists. Nor does anyone else.

Apparently, you're unconcerned that homosexuality is destroying people's lives and robbing them of years and years of life.

Talk about denying a goodly number of people a basic human right...if the shoe fits...

Just because I used the word "believe" does not make my thoughts a religious system. The word believe can be applied in many ways about any number of things. As in, "I believe that all people who force their religion onto every subject known to mankind should be forced to write an essay stating their feelings about a heated subject without mentioning their faith or religion." Let's see how far people make it using their own thoughts instead of quoting from the only book they've obviously ever picked up.

Wrong, Kate. Every person brings an inherent relgious bias into the discussion. Your statement implies that there are two groups: those who approach this from a "religious" perspective (Christianity) and those that approach it from a "secular" perspective. It's a false comparison. Everyone has a belief system...whether it's Biblical Christianity, Judaism, Islam, humanism or atheism. And everyone approaches a hotly contested issue from that religious perspective.

You purport to approach this from a religious vacuum, which simply does not exist.

Allow me to pose the question. You rightly point to the Bible as the source of my convictions and belief system. I'll accept that charge with honor.

Upon what do you base your belief system?

dirigodad

Mind your own business!

Mainelyme

You request that Christians check the foundation for their convictions at the door, while others can wax eloquent without disclosing the basis for theirs? Let's at least make it a level playing field. I'm curious...why the secrecy? What do you have to hide?

BTW, not sure who designated you the moderator...

dirigodad

Isn't there something else you can do to take up all your spare time?

Like playing in traffic!

Mainelyme

Mainelyme

put your earing back in and bend your wrist while you talk.

seems so fitting

thru out this whole discussion you been critical of anyone that doesn`t agree with you

but you expect others to change their opinions

basically if you don`t have anything better to say then you have already done

go sit in the corner fo a while

kylie00 :

You're so up to the minute on what is gay

ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Are you a woman wearing combat boots or a man wearing pink panties?

I don't expect to change the narrow minded bigoted way of you or or ilk's ways of thinking.

That would be quite impossible as none of you think!

Mainelyme

In most of the churches I know theres a tax scam going on the more you contribute to the church or foundation, the more taxes you get back.

This one guy that won alot of money on a ticket, told the church that he would donate a his winnings to the church and where it is church he would not have to pay taxes on it, but they would have to give so much back to him and they could keep the rest, so he wouldnt have to pay taxes on the winnings.

Thats why they are all into their faith.

Ask anyone that is in certain churches about the tax thing, but they will deny it.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.Anyone who makes a bill that would give gays the right to marry there on gender need to be voted out of office.

Once again, more "love" and "tolerance" on display from the tolerance crowd.

There wasn't any traffic last night, Perley...too much snow on the roads! Besides, there are few things I'd rather do than put your enormous ignorance on display for the rest to see. You can not argue your point without becoming crass, rude and without hurling a few invectives here and there.

I'm hoping that's enough evidence for reasonable people to see how intellectually and morally bankrupt your position is.

Worth a try, anyway...

dirigodad

I certainly hope you're not raising uour dirigochildren to be just like you.

Sit down in the middle of the highway.

There'll be a snowplow along any minute now!

Mainelyme

mousehunt:

I happen to know that mousehunt believes in Santa Claus and everyone knows that Santa Claus is a Fairy!

Mainelyme

mousehunt:

And while we're on the subject;

Why weren't the Three Wise Men accompanied by Three Wise Woman?

Did they just pick up and pay for their companionship along the way?

Mainelyme

Dirigo Dad,

Atheism and Humanism (or any other secular movement) is irreligion. Religion is a set of beliefs involving the causation of the universe, the purpose we are here, etc Especially in light of a creator. Atheists LACK that set of beliefs therefore Humanism cannot be a religion. You were really close to hitting the nail on the head, but what you meant was a-theism is a-religion.

Quick offnote: Laws do not GIVE us rights. We are born with them; the laws simply protect those rights when others try to take them. The Constitution was written to protect the minority from the majority; Christians are now trying to make laws which govern the minority based on majority religious belief.

Marriage is between a man and a woman. If you want to get married to your own gender in Maine we said no .What part of NO don,t you understand.

Au contraire, mama...Atheists and humanists have their own set of beliefs, resulting standards of morality and a cosmology in the Big Bang theory. Humanism has been defined in numerous court rulings as a religion. Humanism's founders called it a religion - John Dewey described Humanism as our "common faith." Julian Huxley called it "Religion without Revelation."

Unless you're saying that the courts and these influential men didn't know what they were talking about...

And yes, Perley...I've got three dirigokids, all of whom are being educated to think critically. Looks like we need much more of that...Lord knows, most young skulls full of mush are not learning that in the humanistic government school system.

dirigodad:

God save their souls!

Perley

dirigodad;

More drug, alcohol and suicide statistics!

Perley

SharonFaith:

Keep listening, it's the writing that should be stopped.

I always heard that for some people reading a book can be dangerous.

Apparently they were talking about the Bible!

Mainelyme

, SharonFaith

Have you had a mental health check up lately?

I'm not worried about you hurting yourself as much as I'm concerned you may end up hurting others!

Mainelyme

Gee Sharon Faith give it up already. There is no way in hell that I am going to sit here and read all of your preaching. Go try to find other people for your cause. It is just peachy that you have strong faith. But you shouldn't be trying to shove it down other peoples throat. If God wants me to follow him, he will show me the way. But for now I am pissy and my faith has been tested way to much.

On 1/19/09 at 01:51 PM, Mainelyme wrote: dirigodad: God save their souls! Perley

Perley,

He already has!

How about yours?

dirigodad :

Sorry, Bud but, you're going to have to prove it to me.

Write back in say five years and tell me the messed up lives they've lived and what they are doing then because of your fanatical teachings.

You helped to give your children life, now, let them live it!

Perley J. Thibodeau

Mainelyme

Dirigodad:

What are you going to do when one of your children comes out to you? Disown them? Or maybe they will be another suicide statistic because they will not have the strength to cope with your haterd.

A gayly married lesbian,

RussellDodd

Gerald Weinand: I take it you aren't a Christian man and possibly don't believe in God. I can't say so for sure because the Bible tells us not to judge one another. I don't know you and therefore I can't say that you are or are not a Christian. I will tell you that I am as well as my family is. If you know anything about the Bible, then you will know it does say that God created woman for man to be a help mate and the two shall be joined as one flesh. He didn't say that two men or two women will be joined as one flesh. He also said be fruitful and multiply the earth. Two men or two women cant populate the earth as God commanded.

I don't know who mousehunt is but he tells it like it is: Marriage is between a man and a woman.

This lifestyle is wrong sick and twisted makes me want to puke . When a so called man talks to a man like he his wife how gross is that .Even if there was no God this lifestyle is still gross .

VOTE NO NO NO NEVER IN MAINE. DENNIS DAMON YOU NEED TO STEP DOWN YOU ARE NO LEADER.You and people like you are wrong always have been always will be. How about putting a stop to killing the unborn you need to be a man not a *************