BANGOR, Maine — Just hours before the Rev. Robert Carlson was found dead in the Penobscot River on Nov. 13, he met with a local man who is the focal point of a child sex abuse investigation involving Carlson, according to the Waldo County Sheriff’s Department, which recently closed its investigation into Carlson’s death.
The man was an 11-year-old boy when he first met Carlson in the early 1970s, according to the man’s family, and Carlson began sexually abusing the boy soon after. The two remained in contact through the years, family members said. The Bangor Daily News is not identifying the man because of the possibility that he is a victim.
Maine State Police investigators began their investigation on Nov. 10, just three days before Carlson’s death, after receiving an anonymous letter that said he “sexually abused a young boy several years ago” while he was pastor at East Orrington Congregational Church. Carlson came to the church in 1979 and served there for 23 years, according to the church’s website.
Carlson met with the Bangor man at his residence early on Nov. 13, according to Waldo County Chief Deputy Jeff Trafton. Shortly thereafter, Carlson drove his company car to the Penobscot Narrows Bridge and abandoned it in the middle of the span, where a Bucksport couple found it running with the radio on at 3:55 a.m., Trafton said Wednesday.
“We sent deputies up, and they started rescue and it wasn’t long … before they found the body down the river,” the chief deputy said.
Well-known and well-regarded in Greater Bangor, Carlson helped found and was president of Penobscot Community Health Care; was a founder of Hope House, a Bangor shelter for those with drug and alcohol addictions; was a previous chaplain for Husson College as well as the Bangor and Brewer police and fire departments; and a former jail administrator for the Penobscot County Sheriff’s Department.
An autopsy was completed in the days after Carlson’s death at the state medical examiner’s office in Augusta. It was determined that Carlson drowned, and his death was ruled a suicide.
Waldo County sheriff’s deputies found Carlson’s wallet on the seat of the car. They checked his cell phone and discovered he had spoken to the Bangor man just hours before his death, the report by lead Detective Merl Reed states.
Attempts to reach the Bangor man this week were unsuccessful.
A Bowdoin woman who is the Bangor man’s sister told the Bangor Daily News in November that she and several other family members were contacted by a state police detective on Nov. 11 and 12 and interviewed about a child sex abuse case from the 1970s involving Carlson and her brother, who was 11 at the time.
Carlson befriended the family, which included a single mother with six children, in the 1970s when the family lived in Orrington, two of the Bangor man’s relatives said.
“My brother came clean to the family” a couple of years ago about the ongoing sexual relationship he had with Carlson, the Bowdoin woman said. “Bob had been part of his life since he was 12 years old.”
After he revealed his relationship with Carlson, another relative from Alton asked him why he never went to police.
“Back then he was a pastor at Orrington and ‘Who would have listened?’” was his basic response, she recalled.
No charges ever were lodged against Carlson in the 1970s. Under current Maine law, the statute of limitations for prosecuting sex crimes committed against children under the age of 16 extends back to 1985. In 1991, the law was changed and there is no statute of limitations on child sex crimes that occurred after that year. The anonymous letter that sparked the state police investigation last fall did not say exactly what year the alleged abuse occurred.
Waldo County sheriff’s detectives met with the Bangor man, who is now 51 years old, on Dec. 1. He prefaced the interview by saying he was under the influence of the synthetic drug bath salts when he met with Carlson on Nov. 13, Trafton said.
The Waldo County Sheriff’s Department looked into the circumstances of Carlson’s death and Maine State Police are investigating the sex abuse allegations.
“His story was he last saw Mr. Carlson about 30 minutes past midnight on the 13th of November,” the chief deputy said. “They were together for about 30 minutes.”
Whether the man told Carlson about the state police investigation is not part of the 52-page Waldo County report, according to Trafton. The Bangor Daily News has requested a copy of the report.
“There was no discussion about that,” Trafton said, adding that his detectives helped arrange a meeting between the man and a state police detective.
“As soon as our detective was finished, the state police detective took over,” the chief deputy said.
Stephen McCausland, spokesman for the Maine Department of Public Safety, said Wednesday that the investigation is continuing. Detectives had not spoken to Carlson, 68, before his death, he said.
“We’re here to listen to anyone who wants to offer information,” McCausland said. “We do not have a closure date.”
The Bangor man told Waldo County detectives that he and Carlson made future plans at the end of their last meeting.
“They made arrangements to meet the next day for breakfast and Mr. Carlson was going to pick him up” at his residence, the chief deputy said.
The man “wasn’t under the impression Mr. Carlson was going to commit suicide,” Trafton said. “We believe he was the last one to see him” alive.
“Where he was from about 1 o’clock in the morning to 3:55 a.m. we don’t know,” the chief deputy said of Carlson.
The Penobscot Narrows Bridge is about 25 miles south of Bangor.
Those who want to talk to Maine State Police about the investigation can call the Orono barracks, 866-2121, McCausland said.



Bath salts creeps into far too many stories recently. Didn’t think it would make it into this one…
You just never know do ya’??
another pedophile who befriended a single mother with many children
I saw him a couple hours earlier, officiating a lovely wedding in Hermon. He was a very seemingly kind man, and when a member of the bridal party & I were talking to him before the ceremony, we asked how many weddings had he done over the years? he replied “Hundreds…but this will be my last.” When the photographer was ready to take photos after…he was in a big rush to get out of there and asked to go first if they wanted him in any.
….and the day after when I heard of this tragedy and learned about what this man had done to children…I was sick. Pedophilia is an incurable sickness and this man knew that, he knew he had to stop it…especially after being faced with being caught, he was a selfish coward. Being a “so called” man of God he must realize that when you commit suicide you don’t go to heaven…and he didn’t deserve to anyway.
Do you have scripture to back up your claim. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin as I understand it. We are not God .as difficult as it is and the crime that was commited we should still leave judgment in the Lords hands.The Bible says that we are all born as sinners the only way to forgiveness is through Jesus Christ. We as humans tend to place a value system on one sin compared to another one.But God looks upon all sin as just sin. the only way to forgiveness is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour and to cry out to Him and ask for forgiveness.I hope Mr. Carlson did this before he took his own life.Forgiveness is available to all by accepting the free gift from Jesus
Well knowitall619 you do not know it all. A person that knowingly sins on a regular basis and tries to cover it up by proclaiming to be a man of God…is a hypocritical fool. He is fooling himself, trying to fool God, loved ones, colleagues and children. God still may have forgiven him…but doubtful that Mr. Carlson was even bright enough to ask. I do not really care where he ended up…as long as it was away from innocent children.
No I dont know it all . And yes I do think Mr.Carlson was being a fool being in the public eye like he was he must have felt their was no way out .Its a crazy world we live in . My point was that their is forgivness for all available through Christ yes undeserving we are but praise God its there
that is your right to believe what you want. I think it’s an excuse to do things wrong then ask for forgiveness later.
You remember that part where is said that… it was when Dorothy and the Tinman were walking and the Wicked Witch of the West… no wait sorry wrong work of fiction… Oh I’ve got it, It was when Obi-wan appeared to Luke on Degobah and told him, “Luke, you will find many of the truths we cling to depends greatly on our own point of view.” No, I still don’t think that’s right. There are just so many works of fiction it all kinda blends together. 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, The Wizard of Oz, The Odyssey, The Bible…
One day every Knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord . May God open your heart to see your need for Him
That is not going to happen but you are free to keep thinking it will.
Actually Jesus isn’t lord, he was a follower of Buddhism that taught the lessons of that religion to those in the Middle East. He was a mere mortal, who didn’t own land so in no sense of the word was he a “Lord.” Not to mention he wasn’t given the super power of immortality until a few hundred years after his death. While his philosophy was popular they needed to find a away to attract more followers. The more followers you have, the more power you have, so they perverted stories about his good works and made them super human. Its ok though cause it isn’t anything the writers over at Marvel or DC haven’t done. So to say Jesus is lord has as much truth behind it as “Lord” Vader.
Careful cp444 will take you to task for your comments.
…as opposed to you who would have no idea how to refute that :)
Odd that you haven’t taken the time or effort to refute Dane’s post yet but had the time to respond to mine. Hmmmm maybe you agree with the post then.
Wait, you are judging him by saying he didn’t deserve to go to heaven, and doesn’t your Invisible Sky Wizard kinda frown on anyone but him doing the judging?
Nowhere in the bible does it state if you commit suicide you cannot get into heaven just as you will not find a passage stating you will be sent to hell for doing so either.
Why does an atheist always have to point out the truth?
you’re right, Kevin. The Bible states the only “unforgivable sin” is rejection of the Holy Spirit. Suicide, murder, same-sex relationships are not mentioned in that manner.
wow !
Now this makes you wonder why he made those comments.
Can we see those photos ?
I have photos, but out of respect for the couple I would never show them to anyone…furthermore why would anyone want to see them? I can’t even stand to see his face in the paper…makes me gag every time I see it. I am still so upset for this lovely couple who had the most beautiful wedding…and this bleeep…bleeep…bleepty…bleeep had to kill himself right after their wedding!! Don’t you think they are now going to associate that with their wedding day?! Suicide is a selfish way to hurt A TON of people. I just pray the newlyweds can erase that part of their day…because I was there and can say he was a pretty good actor. Too bad he is included in many of their precious photos :/
If PCHC didn’t check Reverand Carlson’s academic credentials….did they check anyone elses?
What would checking his “academic credentials” reveal?
Sorry about that, just found the other article.
Did you read the related story about his credentials? Pretty much says it all. He lied about who he really was. Had those lies about the academic degrees he did not have been caught by the many fine organizations he served, all of this might have come out sooner or at the very least he would have fallen from grace at an earlier date.
I do believe that is why I added the second line to my post.
that he was a BSer for beginning to end…
They had to mention bath salts as if to discredit the victim, I know for a fact because I have 2 nieces who we’re sexually abused that it can lead to using drugs or alcohol because of the damage it can cause to a person’s mental state.
thank you for sharing. i read that too and am also personally aware of the close relationship between childhood rape and adult drug abuse. it’s a tragedy and destroys lives. :`-(
I doubt the reporter intended to discredit the victim. More likely, the mention about bath salts use was made to show the outcome of abuse and/or possible guilt over the reverend’s apparent suicide.
There is none who fall from grace harder than those we respect for being perfect. This man made a rash decision to avoid public humiliation. If he lived, he might have been able to repent, seek forgiveness, reconcile with his victim(s), and put this disgrace behind him. Now he lost that opportunity forever.
Maybe god would have forgiven him, put people who live now should never forgive this type of crap. Of course I only feel this way if in fact all his lies and crimes are true as printed in the BDN.
Yes they should try and forgive this crap, without forgiveness they will never be able to move past it.
Not true, keep telling yourself that, I have been wronged and never found the need to forgive.
Probably why you still harbor so much anger about it huh?
you don’t have to forgive in order to “let it go” and “move past it.”
forgive? you are not aware.
Ok, not being Catholic (thankfully) I an not sure of The Invisible Sky Wizard’s rule. Does he not get into Heaven cause of the rape or cause of the suicide?
I’m not God. It’s not my place to say who gets into heaven.
What does Catholicism have to do with anything? The guy wasn’t Catholic. Moot point. (why do I feel like I need to explain the definition of “moot” to you as well?)
Just so you know, as the Holy Roman Empire consolidated all Christians in the “known” world back in ye oldern days (since Rome had conquered the vast majority of the known Christian world) any of those who follow Christianity today are Catholic or a derivation there of. Just like the believer thinks we all stem from Adam and Eve, so too are all Christian sects the children of Catholicism. So to put it in simpler terms so you can understand it, Catholicism is like cola, it doesn’t matter if you drink Coke or Pepsi, it’s still cola.
But that would be catholic with a small “c”.
lol yes, so its more like diet coke.
:)
Dayne, I guess I’m not sure if your response was just about semantics, as I did not specify “ROMAN Catholic.” But honestly, to lump all Christian denominations together and say they’re the same is a rather simplistic view, and incorrect, in my opinion. Obviously some of the core similarities in beliefs are the same, but there are also many differences.
As for your statement about all Christian faiths being “cola,” so it “doesn’t matter if you drink Coke or Pepsi,” I’m not sure that makes sense. A Coke drinker and Pepsi drinker can tell you exactly why they are different and prefer one over the other. To you, a “non cola drinker,” there is little difference, but to those who drink cola or attend church, there most certainly is.
both
First of all “Rev” Bob was not a Catholic priest and second I thankfully am a Catholic. While you may disagree with a certain faith’s belief you come off a religious bigot when you insult another persons faith. And to answer your question regarding his salvation God is the judge in the end. Rape and suicide are mortal sins, so if Bob didn’t ask for forgiveness I assume he did not see the face of God. One of the horrible effects of suicide is what it does to the love ones you leave behind.
You support a religion whose faith makes women subservient to men,spends millions of dollars annually to prevent gay couples from marrying, had a nation wide call for all “good Christians” to burn Harry Potter books, and fire bombs abortion clinics. Christians are the reason the United States government had to pass laws making it illegal to deny people things based on race, creed or sexual orientation. And all these things are in the very recent past. Shall we go deeper into history? There was a time when Christianity did rule, ill help you find it in your history book, the chapter is titled “The Dark Ages.” You know it was that lovely time when people like Galileo were imprisoned for saying such foolish things against god like the sun not the Earth is the center of the universe. How about the Crusades, there is a good one, Christians on the march with one intent; the wholesale slaughter of the Musslims for having a different way of doing things. And when the Crusades were over, which the Christians lost by the way, guess god wasn’t really with them on that one, The Pope ordered the wholesale slaughter and imprisonment of the churches most faithful band, The Knights Templar. Ever wonder why Friday the 13th is said to be unlucky? Well now you know, that was the day the Popes orders against the Templars were carried out. Christianity was also used to prop up and support slavery here in the U.S. So you support a religion that degrades women, is intolerant of other religion, calls homosexuals immoral, and is the foundation of America’s greatest hate group, the KKK. Yet I am the one who is a bigot. Re-read this post several times, think about the atrocities the religion you support has committed and continues to commit, and on Sunday when you speak to your god, ask him why you are there on Sunday, and if he is honest he will tell you the real reason why, it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with a Roman Emperor who “converted” for political expediency but didn’t want to give up his worship of the sun god, thus “SUN”day is your holy day. Your religion has been perverted from a man named Jesus’ Buddhist teachings of peace and tolerance into making Jesus himself a god and basing its faith on hate and intolerance.
As for suicide, here again is where your religion falls short. It vilifies those who commit suicide. You morn for those that are left behind out of one side of your mouth, but with the other remind them that their loved one is now burning in hell. Yea that’s helpful. If we have the right to live as we chose, we therefore have the right to die as we chose. Who is the more selfish, the one who decides not to continue a life he/she feels is intolerable, or those left behind because they feel that person should have continued in an intolerable life simply because they would miss him/her?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… May the Force Be with You. If Christianity can make stuff up and cram it down our throats, why can’t I?
Sorry IDK why this posted twice
“Sorry IDK why this posted twice” welcome to the mysteries of Disqus
You posted it twice because you obviously have deep anger issues. May you try to have a peaceful weekend.
You support a religion whose faith makes women subservient to men,spends millions of dollars annually to prevent gay couples from marrying, had a nation wide call for all “good Christians” to burn Harry Potter books, and fire bombs abortion clinics. Christians are the reason the United States government had to pass laws making it illegal to deny people things based on race, creed or sexual orientation. And all these things are in the very recent past. Shall we go deeper into history? There was a time when Christianity did rule, ill help you find it in your history book, the chapter is titled “The Dark Ages.” You know it was that lovely time when people like Galileo were imprisoned for saying such foolish things against god like the sun not the Earth is the center of the universe. How about the Crusades, there is a good one, Christians on the march with one intent; the wholesale slaughter of the Musslims for having a different way of doing things. And when the Crusades were over, which the Christians lost by the way, guess god wasn’t really with them on that one, The Pope ordered the wholesale slaughter and imprisonment of the churches most faithful band, The Knights Templar. Ever wonder why Friday the 13th is said to be unlucky? Well now you know, that was the day the Popes orders against the Templars were carried out. Christianity was also used to prop up and support slavery here in the U.S. So you support a religion that degrades women, is intolerant of other religion, calls homosexuals immoral, and is the foundation of America’s greatest hate group, the KKK. Yet I am the one who is a bigot. Re-read this post several times, think about the atrocities the religion you support has committed and continues to commit, and on Sunday when you speak to your god, ask him why you are there on Sunday, and if he is honest he will tell you the real reason why, it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with a Roman Emperor who “converted” for political expediency but didn’t want to give up his worship of the sun god, thus “SUN”day is your holy day. Your religion has been perverted from a man named Jesus’ Buddhist teachings of peace and tolerance into making Jesus himself a god and basing its faith on hate and intolerance.
As for suicide, here again is where your religion falls short. It vilifies those who commit suicide. You morn for those that are left behind out of one side of your mouth, but with the other remind them that their loved one is now burning in hell. Yea that’s helpful. If we have the right to live as we chose, we therefore have the right to die as we chose. Who is the more selfish, the one who decides not to continue a life he/she feels is intolerable, or those left behind because they feel that person should have continued in an intolerable life simply because they would miss him/her?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… May the Force Be with You. If Christianity can make stuff up and cram it down our throats, why can’t I?
He groomed an 11 year old for his own twisted gratification. That 11 year old went on to live a life of drugs and dwelled in his Hopeless House.
There is no forgiveness for that kind of twisted manipulative behavior. Ever.
I’d venture to guess most of the tortured souls that I know to be roaming the streets of Bangor (and are residing at 179 Indiana Avenue to boot) have had the same kind of thing happen to them – who knows? Maybe they were molested by Carlson himself.
Sadness all the way around. His poor wife and family. She is a wonderful person who did absolutely nothing to deserve this.
Oh…here we go. I dont see Bangor Daily News posting a comment on here saying that they are gonna monitor comments because he is a dear friend of the big wigs of BDN.
An “….had an ongoing sexual relationship…” with an eleven year old child? Seriously that is RAPE. Get it right BDN.
Yea that is, even by The Vatican’s standards. He was a year away from being legal. The age of consent in The Holy See (a.k.a. Vatican City) is 12
How true that is. I mean just imagine the maturity that can be achieved between the ages of 11 and 12. I personally see no difference between having sex with an 11 year old(which is illegal) and having sex with a 12 year old (which is NOT frowned upon by the church).
Your parenthetical remark is strictly uncalled for and is an insult to Catholics.
Catholics should be insulted that their priests rape little boys & the Vatican protects them. Years ago the Catholic Church just moved an offending priest to another church after he raped children. That way he could line up some new victims in another town. How nice! Now that is something to get upset about!
That’s not what I am upset about right now. What upsets me is the singling out of the Catholic Church ad nasseum for something that has been going on in other instututions and continues to this day. At least to its credit the Church is and has been trying to correct the situation of offending clergy members and the reshuffling of these, which it did often upon the ill advice by mental health counselors. In the past decade the Church has instituted and implemented very strict guidelines to prevent sexual abuse and to properly handle it when it occurs. Most other institutions, both public and private, have hardly moved forward on this matter while very few cases of credible accusations of recent abuse have been reported in the Church in the past several years. In other words, the Church has successfully remediated its offenses while other institutions have not. So why the continued bashing of the Church when similar situations elsewhere remained unresolved? I think I know why.
Maybe they deserve to be insulted.
What? Are you serious? OMG!
These are the same people that not only brought us the catholic church but brought NYC the mafia. Go figure : (
Why don’t you pick on the public school system where the incidence of sexual abuse is more than 10 times worse? Besides, get over your hatred of Catholics!
if you really think that – you are out of your mind….. nobody has ever been given the blind eye like religious leaders…. priests especially – after all – they have no interest in sexual relations – they traded them for holiness……. I dont know if Dane hates catholics, but I highly doubt it… he may hate the way the Catholic church has chosen to – for many, many years – sweep abuse under the rug….. allow it…. even move priests from one city to another after allegations have been made…. they protect their own………….. Now, the public schools are not perfect, and there have been incidents.. many…. but the Catholic church really has taken the cake in that arena….. sorry if it offends you that people recognize that…..
Well said Lindsay, and yes of course when teachers do it is awful, but when school supervisors find out about it, they report it, unlike the Catholics.
Hmmm .. Penn State
what Penn State?
how can you compare?
Sure it took penn state too long to get the ball rolling, but they did not hide Cardinal Law in the Vatican so that he cannot face extradition and be forced back to Boston.
here is what i think. Rev. Carlson was probably a victim of abuse himself, and more than likely he was abused by a man in power, quite possibly a man of the cloth.
that’s how sexual abuse works. its generational. which probably explains its proliferation in the Catholic church. preacher to alter boy to preacher to alter boy…for a thousand years
That is a valid point, I was thinking more like grammar and high school, but yes Penn did drop the ball.
I don’t know where you get your information to support that contention. In the past decade or so, church authorities have been very diligent in reporting abuse. Other institutions, public institutions included, have not been nearly as diligent. Your statement, “The age of consent in The Holy See (a.k.a. Vatican City) is 12” is really deplorable and offensive to all people of good will. Unless you can substantiate your comment, you owe all readers an apology.
That said, it is the belief of the Church that young children are not able to give total consent to sin, one of the requirements in order for a sin to be considered “mortal”. I suspect this is where the confusion lies about what the Church believes.
again, here is the proof, proving you wrong is getting tiring..
http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm
Look, I don’t deny that there was sexual abuse committed by some priests. In fact any one incident of sexual abuse of a minor is deplorable. I don’t defend sexual abuse by anyone, whomever that person may be. Yes, abuse was not always reported to the legal authorities. Rather than oust clergy for abuse, the church began a new approach, one recommended by mental health experts in the 60’s. Priests were sent for periods of counseling with the belief that most could be returned safely to their former ministry. Unfortunately, as it turned out most priests were not rehabilitated. Today, those same experts have come to the conclusion their assumptions were just plain wrong, that most child molesters aren’t healed or rehabilitated of their inclinations through counseling.
The church today, especially in America, has adopted very strict guidelines against accused clergy members. As a result there are relatively very few cases of abuse that allegedly occurred in the past 10 years or so. Most allegations that prop up concern incidents that occurred in the 60’s, 70’s, to mid 80’s.
You’re absolutely right, the public schools and many other institutions are “not perfect”, but you are certainly wrong when you say “the Church really has taken the cake in the arena”. It has however received its share of negative publicity.
That said, what I object to is the baiting of Catholics that goes on in this forum and elsewhere. I suspect much of it is politically motivated.
The Catholic Church’s policies are set by the Pope who resides in The Holy See, it does not matter if you are Catholic in America, Japan, or Mars the Pope leads, Catholics follow.
I’ll say much. Until the past two decades little was known about child sexual abuse. It was assumed by mental health workers they could be rehabilitated since for one it was learned behavior or resulted from learned behaviors. The Church like most other institutions relied on their advice from the 60’s to the mid 80’s before mandatory reporting became the norm in the 90’s. What I now see is a lot of Monday quarter-backing and Catholic bashing.
Valid points. Plus the Catholic Church has a huge arrow on its back because of the riches it is rumored to have. However, they still have not adopted a policy of turning in their priests who do it today. It would put the whole matter to bed if the Pope would just say, we are now mandatory reporters world wide. If it happens we will report it to the authorities. Catholicism has a very bad track record of abusing its power and privilege so it has to do things cleaner and better than most because more eyes are upon it.
The Church has essentially done what you are asking for. Even here in the U.S. the Catholic Conference of Bishops has done so. Of course, reporting of abuse must be done in the context of cannon law. For instance, what a priest hears in confession cannot be disclose to anyone, not even another priest, bishop (unless permission is given in rare cases involving excommunication by the penitent), or civil authority. The main problem is that there appears to be a lot of people who appear to have an axe to grind with the Church, so that no matter what the Church does or says, they will continue to attack it. Much of this has to do with the cultural war that is going on in this country and other countries in Europe and elsewhere. I just don’t know when it will ever subside. Short of a miracle, I suspect it will go on unabated for a long time, years, maybe decades.
As to its riches, much of these were inherited from the past. For example, much of the Vatican art is priceless. Yet it is treasured for its religious value. Asking the Church to sell this off would be like asking it to sell all its cherished prayer formats, songs, liturgy, and ancient documents deemed necessary to enhance the life of its faithful.
Finally, your right, the Church has had a past of abuse of its power and privileges. It has more than 2,000 years worth of it more or less! I must add however that it is still learning how to manage its affairs in a proper and appropriate manner.
I agree, the priest/parishioner relationship should hold the same privilege as attorney/client and doctor/patient. The same meaning when a crime is revealed it must be reported. There is a reason lawyers don’t ask if you did it, because if you confess they have to report. Same with doctors, and they have even more responsibility to report because they have to report not only if told of abuse, but if the patient denies and they see physical evidence they have to report. So if a kid confesses to Priest X that Priest Y molested them, it must be reported. There is no ethical way around it.
As for your miracle, John Lennon already described it when he sang, “Imagine no religion…” If that ever came to pass, we would be 2/3 of the way to world peace.
I personally don’t give a damn about the priest/confessional role. If a priest hears from someone that that person molested little kids, beat his wife, or killed someone, that person needs to be reported. They could just do it annonomously. give to ceasar what is ceasars. or some such quote like that.
Yes, Christians are obligated to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. But they are also obligated to give to God what belongs to God. One’s conscience belong to God, not to Caesar as you implied.
Your point is a moot one. Penitents will not approach confession without the seal of confession being imposed by the Church. Anyway, trying to force priests to break the seal would amount to a breach of the 1st Amendment right, which guards freedom of conscience besides religion.
Lastly, not to mention the fact he was a rebel and a dreamer who abused drugs, John Lenon was a musician, not as historian. I’d put a lot more credence in someone like Abe Lincoln or George Washington. But then even they were not God.
One more thing, why are you so against religion?
I consider myself spiritual but I believe that Organized Religions are so dogmatic and hypocritical that it attracts people that are 1. of low IQ 2. have mental disorders and 3. seem to be primitive throwbacks.
Well, maybe you’re a little too intelligent for your own good, more intelligent than God, that is. Besides, the picture of believers you just painted is a stereotype. I thought smart people like you avoided stereotyping.
Amen & well said!
do you have data to support your claim that there is 10x the incidence of sexual abuse in public schools than in the Catholic church?
The number of reported cases of sexual abuse going back less than 10 years ago has been averaging less than 6 or 7 in the past several years. The numbers reported by public schools in the US far exceed 60 to 70 cases per year during that same period.
This comment is intended for the moderator. I flagged poster Dane’s comment several hours ago for obvious reasons, yet it remains posted. You need to explain why it has not been censored. Not only is his comment false, but it is intended as a slight to Catholics by singling out the Church. Besides, it is no more connected to the BDN report than child sex abuse in other institutions, public or private, sectarian or otherwise. This comment will be flagged to get your immediate attention to this matter.
wow, the letter i posted is really going to burn. Proof just stinks sometimes doesn’t it?
Yes, you’re so-called “proof” stinks when it is misinterpreted. I don’t mean to say you did this on purpose either. But you nonetheless misinterpreted the letter from the apostolic nuncio. Read the following link in detail and will see for yourself:
“Vatican Warned Bishops Not To Report Child Abuse”! | Blogs | NCRegister.com
Why has the BDN already pulled the front page story about how this guy lied about his entire educational background (ie, he didn’t go to college, and wasn’t even a minister and all of his ‘credentials’ were phony).
If this case revolved around an average person you can bet the BDN would dig up and expose all the details. Not so here.
Are you surprised…He WAS a phony~
Phony or a person who had a serious weakness? I’m not aware this guy spent his entire ministry preaching against child sexual abuse. So it’s more likely he had a serious weakness.
WEAKNESS? If this guy molested an 11 year old boy, he was a pedophile. He was a phony because he seems to have lied to everyone about who he was, what he believed, how little education he actually had, and God only knows what else. That’s not a weakness, that’s a creep.
You might be right but the case you make for him being a phony is weak because you have not offered any specifics. If you have any specifics other than the fact that he covered up his relationship with the victim, then I might be persuaded.
friends in hight places in Bangor society of course
When it was a hire up in local society it seems they get as much padding as possible. If this was some cab driver. Well they would most likely use the word “rape”.
Rape you think wow just amazing what the man did and lied. He did my father funeral and many more of my family and friends and even did my wedding. According to the BDN he never went to clergy school so he lied to us all the way around. His life was a lie and was a scam and we all fell for it. They should shut down PCHC. It sounds like the good old boy’s club and someone had to know the truth. The BDN should get it right, and everytime someone writes something and they don’t like they delete it.
Why are we continuing to spend money to investigate an obvious suicide?
nobody is investigating a suicide…. they are investigating what caused the suicide – the allegations of abuse against children —- and why wouldn’t we investigate that?
also read the article about how Carlson forged a lot of his credentials …..he was a very scary man…he was someone different on the inside than the man portrayed on the outside….
why is it called sexual relationship? he was a boy! why does it say the boy may have been a victim of course he was a victim he was assaulted and abused!
Bottom line, he was a child molester. He ruined lives. He took advantage of people and did bad things to them. He was a wolf in sheeps clothing. Religion has little to do with the behavior. Rather, it is the opportunity the cloth offers.
Too many crimes are covered up here in Maine. I am still waiting to hear the results of teh Marine that was shot at Togus a long time ago. The Reverend Bob story got covered up with no real news about his discrepancies. If we have government of well known figures involved in crimes we never hear about it after the fact.
Ms. Ricker, thank you for the article. Perhaps you and the BDN would reconsider some of the language regarding sexual assault. As other posters have mentioned, “an ongoing sexual relationship” is an inappropriate term for a child being raped. An 11-year old child cannot consent to a sexual relationship with an adult, and is therefore a victim of rape.
There is a great op-ed piece in the NYT regarding media language and sexual assault cases that I hope you take a few minutes to read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/opinion/sunday/confusing-sex-and-rape.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&sq=confusing%20sex%20and%20rape&st=Search&scp=1
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!
The thing is, “rape” is a legal term. Even though Carlson can’t be libeled (he’s dead), it would not be prudent from an impartial point of view to say that Carlson “raped” the man when he was a boy. That’s a distinction the reader will have to make.
I must take exception to your comment. The phrase “an ongoing sexual relationship” is a more apt expression. It indicates the relationship may have continued beyond the victim’s age of consent. The article also clearly mentions the pastor was accused of sexually abusing a minor.
I am sure this was not the only one…wonder where the others are hiding???
hiding? the question is more likely ‘where are they suffering?’ In a half way house, in a prison, in a drug rehab.
that’s what happens to victims, or they become like the Rev. Carlson (who was probably an abuse victim as well).
I agree with you, there is a good possibility the reverend was a victim as you suggested even though this per se does not justify his behavior. Just to make sure you understand, victims also do not necessarily end up abusing drugs or committing crimes. I know a lot of victims who have led normal lives. Actually, many of the latter refuse to call themselves “victims” because they no longer feel victimized. This has a lot to do with learning how to forgive and getting on with one’s life. As adults we all have a personal responsibility to learn how to cope emotionally in healthy fashion. This of course doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy.
thank you for your thoughtful reply. i know 3 adult survivors of childhood abuse. One is so broken as to never be fixed. the second has bipolar disorder, attempted suicide in her 20’s but is functioning well now, raising a family; and the third suffers from anxiety and PTSD with addiction problems.
healing is not possible if the truth is not dealt with. it takes therapy, love, patience, and yes, forgiveness.
My prayers are for you cuz.I hope you fjnd peace and happiness Love Tim
to the victim.my prayers are that somehow you will find the true God and not bathsalts to kill your pain.you know who I am and that I asked you about what was going on with Carlson.We all know you are a victim,I’m still there for you and want you to find peace and happiness,but you’ll never find them with drugs or drink.Please seek help from professionals Love you Buddy
The more I read about this guy, the less I want to read about him. Bangor would be well served to forget him.
Agree, some things a better left to die. Why do I agree more with you these days, Bangorian? That bothers me.
Forget about it and it WILL happen again. The message of the whole sad story is that everyone who cares about their children needs to get active and make darn sure anyone who has regular contact with kids has their background, their resume claims and everything else thoroughly checked by the organizations that employ them. Perverted criminals are quite skilled at schmoozing whoever they have to to get access to their prey.
If we choose to forget him, then we choose to allow others to follow in his footsteps.
exactly right. and you wonder how many other children were his victims. i’m beginning to understand how Bangor has so many lost souls.
Bangor would be better served to never forget.
I’m amazed that the Bangor Daily News is still publishing articles about Bob Carlson. It can do absolutely no good at this point in time and sort of smacks of the National Enquirer mentality. It keeps getting everyone upset and must be horrible for the family. This isn’t news–it’s gossip!!!
It is not gossip if he said he had those credentials and he didn’t. It is not gossip he molested a child. Maybe just maybe people will be more aware of who they trust so other families do not have to go through what mine did and listen for years about how wonderful he was…
That is my concern as well. There are victims of child sexual abuse in this area who will never tell because of who their abuser is in the community.
It sure is gossip, but when someone tells the turth BDN removes there comment. He was a sick man to do this to anyone. So does mean that all the wedding he performed are null know and means that we where not really married. So if people have been claiming married and was not legally the IRS will be all over it. They will have there hands out.
Under Maine law, if a couple believes that the person who performed the ceremony was legally licensed, then the marriage is valid. So, those that Carlson married are legally married.
All you need to be married is the paperwork completed, signed and filed. No ceremony required. So, the marriages are valid. Wedding ceremonies are just celebrations.
When you rape an 11 year old boy, then spend the rest of your days keeping him hooked on drugs while giving him enough hush money to stay quiet for 40 years all while leading a church and local health organization in Bangor Maine, to be finally investigated and swan dive off a bridge……….hardly gossip.
Gossip is hearsay and innuendo that hasn’t been proven. This is anything but “gossip.”
Maybe if it was one of your family members he raped, you too might want to see the truth brought out in the open. It is not gossip and you are re-victimizing his victims when you talk trash.
I am sure there are many victims out there that still need to deal with their experience. Let’s keep shining the light on Carlson on behalf of the victims and in the hope that other abusers like him will not have the chance to repeat his offenses.
BDN is reporting facts..and doing a good job. His family and friends are just going to have to listen to it. It is what it is..
I’m sure it is horrible for his family. But not as horrible as it was and still is for his victims!
No good will come from this tragedy if it’s swept under the rug. As repulsive as we find this we can’t close it away. The truth needs to be told. The shame lies with the abuser not the victim!
“on-going sexual relationship”? With an eleven year old boy? Call it what it really is, please. RAPE!
So disgusting and to think he was once my pastor.
A company car? He worked for a dental /health facility that takes care of a large percent of the Mainecare population……..wouldn’t that money have been better spent on the dental’/health care of the indigent and let this person buy his own car? PCHC obviously isn’t hurting financially of they can buy their employees cars. I would recommend a raise for everyone!
Don’t forget its run on Federal dollars , see where your tax dollars went. I would like a new car too
So sorry his family has to hear all this again. But kudos to BDN for continuing coverage on this story. For those of us who knew his dark side, this news is therapeutic and helps with the healing. Keep digging and don’t forget Bob’s time “pre-Maine”.
What a wolf in sheep’s clothing Mr. Carlson was……he had the perfect road to go down for his lust for children…………….. people should make sure that young children understand they can come to an adult an tell on someone who is doing these horrible things to them…….no matter who the person committing the crime is…………and no matter what threats that offender is telling these children.
I hope his victims can find peace within themselves…….
He truly was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Hiding behind the cloth as a supposed man of god.
He kind of put a black mark on Scouts . A big honor the had for him just days before he died. Makes you kind of wonder if its more about money than doing the right thing. All the jobs he was let go from someone new something long ago and never said anything???????
I’ll repeat my concern to MSP and BDN, ” Keep digging and don’t forget Bob’s time “pre-Maine”.
He was probably part of the scout Jamboree on Sears Island in the 90’s that flew the island for fear that an Earth First! Rendezvous camping out at the same time might be a bad influence on the kids ….. Ha fear thy master scouts!
Scouts are run very well With thier first concern protecting kids. I may disagree with the politics . I just kind of wish they(MSP or others that new) might have hinted to Boy scouts of america that he might not have been the best choice to hold in honor for. I am sure they made a lot of money for a good cause having chosen him to have an honor for. I certainly hope know one had a clue before the benefit.
It would have been difficult for the MSP to have “hinted to Boy scouts of america that he might not have been the best choice to hold in honor for” as the letter was delivered after the event.
I agree about the letter but all the other things we found out now about him? Just saying a hint would not have been bad . Someone who lies on a resume said a lot about thier integrity . Maybe the major investigation did not go on till after the letter . Im just saying some people knew he may have been a bit shady even if not for the abuse.
“…Those who want to talk to Maine State Police about the investigation can call the Orono barracks, 866-2121, McCausland said.”
Perhaps a typo? That Orono number seems like the long route to the detective in charge, Sgt. Jeff Love, Augusta 207-624-7143 , 207- 624-7146
Nok Nok.
This is a tough story for you to report. Having to try to drive this story to the city of Bangor and make it palatable for all that knew this child rapist can’t be easy. Overall I think you have done an outstanding job. There have been other times in the past that those closer to the “man behind the curtain” got off easy by using suicide to hide the shame of themselves and their families.
I am a clinician in Bangor who has worked with far too many individuals who were abused as children. I believe that it is very important that the facts about Rev. Bob Carlson be made public. Not to cause more pain to his victims and to his family, but because there needs to be no cover-up or minimization of sexual abuse, no matter who was the perpetrator. In order to heal, we have to know what actually happened, to acknowledge same, and try to contibute toward healing in our community. Thank you Bangor Daily News.
We never know the DEMONS that lie within.
I knew someone had to tip him off about the investigation, now we know who it was. None of the Maine officials had interviewed him or anything. So his new little buddy in Bangor tipped him off……how weird!!
i think you meant to say ‘how tragic’
Now we know who tipped Mr. Carlson off. He had been tipped off because none of the Maine Police officials interviewed him but all of the sudden he jumps off the bridge? And after that it comes out in the news that there was an investigation going on? Well Mr. Carlson’s new little friend from Bangor tipped him off……how weird!
The Rev. Carlson won’t have to explain his actions to God, I understand he went south to a much warmer climate!
Channel 5 did an in-depth investigation and reported they could find no credentials that he was a minister. Quick question–WHY does Channel 5 and the BDN still call him “Reverend”. That title should be pulled immediately from any stories about this person.
I doubt Channel 5 did any investigating beyond reading the Bangor Daily’s Web site. Channel 5 is just about always following the paper.
I wonder how many people who knew MR Carlson, personally, professionally…intimately, are walking around with a sense of shame as more information is made available to the general public about the man’s personality, behavior and “larger than life” presence and conduct? How many law enforcement knew or had suspicions of this man’s pedophilia and more recently, his “ongoing relationship” with his victim? If even one individual believed there was a question about MR Carlson’s integrity and potential to harm innocent children, it was incumbent upon him/her or THEM to report these observations–particularly those in law enforcement and health care who are MANDATED to do so–and for an investigation to follow. Why did it take so many years for this man’s true self to be revealed? Why is no one suggesting a review of the time line and the points along the way when, had someone spoken up, a stop to this man’s parallel path of destruction could have occurred?I cannot believe that NO ONE had any idea about who MR Carlson really was!!
And administrators of PCHC, SHAME ON YOU for continuing to say that the good this man did is what you want to focus on. How many other employees, serving the poor, the most vulnerable in our society, also have secrets lurking that could have been identified by a responsible background check, including ascertaining whether stated credentials are real?! Do you realize this is a dereliction of duty? How many other people can walk in there and get a job based on “reputation and position in a community”? For you to say that what is on a piece of paper matters less than what is before you calls into question your leadership abilities and your own integrity. When you first stated that you would chose to remember MR Carlson as he was to you and PCHC, that was said in the heat of the moment and under what understandably was tremendous duress. Enough time has passed for you to have a more even and balanced perspective yet it appears from your comments that you still adhere to your initial beliefs and attitude, which amounts to DENIAL. No one working in health care should be promulgating a sense that criminal behavior, particularly predatory behavior toward innocent children, is canceled out by the perpetrator’s good deeds. No one should be saying that credentials do not matter–particularly in MEDICINE!!! I believe it’s time for someone else–perhaps the feds who help support PCHC through grants, as well as state oversight, step in and do a thorough investigation of PCHC and how it is run. The old adage, where there is smoke a fire follows likely would prove true here. The smoke is PCHC’s continued defense of MR Carlson in the face of overwhelming evidence that there is no defense for the man’s actions.
Lastly, do not add more pain to victims of sexual abuse everywhere by clinging to this rationale that if the perpetrator is a respected member of the community, whether clergy, teacher, law enforcement–anyone whose professional title allows access and is synonymous with trust–then we should just shut up and simmer/boil inside if that person has a proclivity for abusing children or anyone else too vulnerable to fight back. Reporting should be immediate, investigation swift, and penalty stiff–regardless of who the perpetrator is. And help for victims should be available so they may have some chance of healing. Do you think that MR Carlson’s 51 year old victim would be where he is today had this situation been addressed while he had an opportunity to get away from his abuser?
Good deeds do not “outweigh” the bad that have been revealed in this case, nor should they outweigh the bad in any case involving pedophilia.
To ALL children and adult victims of sexual abuse, do not let ignorance displayed in this situation stop you from seeking help. Not everyone in a position to help is too irresponsible to do the right thing. And if your abuser is a person whose profession provides access to the vulnerable, and protection for themselves, tell someone else. Do not report clergy sexual abuse to the clergy of the same denomination. Do not report sexual abuse within the context of medical practice to the perpetrator’s superiors. Clearly as evidenced in this case, you could get nowhere because of loyalties that defy the objective observer’s sensibilities. There are hot lines and support groups whose alliances are ONLY to the victim, and seek out these contacts to report a crime. There ARE many people who do care, and who would try to help you, whose judgment would not be clouded by a warped meed to protect the perpetrator.
To those who suspect a child is in danger, DO SOMETHING. Report your observations that lead you to believe a crime is ongoing or possible, to authorities, then FOLLOW UP, make certain action has been taken. If no action and the child still is in danger, go to another agency. Keep at it until someone listens and acts. You may be the only defense this child has when facing what nearly always leads to a life of anguish following victimization by a perpetrator like MR. Carlson.
When will we as a society come together to STOP the rampant abuse of children and others who have no voice?!
Very well said BBDNFAN. I think your post belongs in BDN Letters to the Editor. Everyone
could learn something from it.
I HOPE HE WENT TO HELL, HELL , HELL ………………………………………………………………….
To us and the rest of the world, Carlson’s contact with this minor was rape and sexual abuse. To Carlson’s sick mind, it was a “relationship.”
He knew what he was doing was wrong. He hid behind the church and the goodness in people who truly wanted to help those less fortunate. He faked his goodness for evil intentions. And like the coward that he was, he decided to die rather than have to tell the truth.
Hi hid behind the church AND law enforcement! Let us not forget how deeply he was involved with the Bangor Police Department, Penobscot County Sheriff and District Attorney’s Office.
And unfortunately, the damaged mind of his victim was shamed into believing it was normal, and eventually thought of it as a relationship as well. Sick! Very, very, very sick!
I hope Gov LePage and the state of Maine is watching this disaster unfold. Gov LePage wants to cut back on Maine Care.. The Rev was a phony that made a lot of money at PCHC and you have Ken still defending Carlson. Red flag folks. Why would any one of us take our kids to a clinic where the CEO is defending Carlson? Who is Ken? Did anyone look into his credentials before he was employed. What is his income? How much has he made over this federal funded program.?
This is why we need to change health care. If everyone has insurance we wouldn’t have bogus programs like this.
This is the same place where they won’t let parents go with their children into the dental exam rooms. I walked out, never having my child examined by the dentist, because NO parent in their right mind would/should allow unsupervised medical exams to take place. Now that I know an extreme sicko helped to start the place, this practice of not allowing parents with their children makes sense!
“Bob was part of his life since he was 12, and the to have remained in contact through the years.”
It might have been rape at one point, but apparently it was consensual as time went on. I don’t see what everyone is getting so hysterical about!
Oh my, sexual peds use people for their advantage. They make kids feel good about themselves so they keep coming back. It’s never consensual. They use kids as targets they look for lonley kids. looking for attention. and then the minipulation starts.
This is what i believe!
Carlson had the man scared!!! It was NEVER consensual the poor man got in to drugs and drinking to hide the pain and embaressment. The man trying to get clean and the only reason he was addicted was because of the mind tricks, lies, and abuse from Carlson thru the years! and the man tryed rehab ( over seen or done by Carlson) failed because Carlson wanted it to fail so he could continue to keep the man wraped around his finger! and who would believe him Carlson was the Police chaplin!!!
Hollywood24 all this is true and more.
It’s never consensual when there is a power dynamic involved. Never. Even if you are an adult. When persons are in a trusted position as a clergy is, there is a power dynamic.
well, of course he had to start Penobscot Healthcare…..the victims needs someplace to go, someplace to heal…..drugs, drinking, all of the pain that comes with being a sex abuse victim needs treatment and healing. ….waiting for the others to come forward….
This is so disgraceful the lies ,Mr Schmidt to keep defending him. And to think all our hard working tax dollars paid for this. Time to eliminate PCHC
MaineNana Bob Carlson had nothing to do with the founding of PCHC. It was conceived and founded by Barbara Vereault a DO that was practicing in a small (2 person) practice on Union Street. It was her dream and vision, not Bob Carlson’s.
the BDN states “he helped FOUND and is president of PCHC”. Forgive me for taking the word of the BDN literally. That wasn’t the point anyway.
Like the BDN has never made reporting errors before. If you want to discount first hand knowledge that’s OK. No issue.
Very sad case for all involved. Reverend Bob perpetuated a crime against an innocent child and has broken the trust of the greater Bangor Community. The question of how he was able to do this needs to be answered. Were established policies followed at Public Agencies that employed him? Did they ever do a background check on him that is required of all staff like Police, Deputies, and Correctional Officers?
Reverend Carlson brought this man into his office at PCHC on several different occasions and introduced him as his brother.
Disgusting.
I’m not saying I don’t believe you but how do you know who the guy was?
The guy’s life was one big fat sham & he was tired of living it so he took the cowards way out. Some will defend him because of his contributions to church & town–well, that was part of his lie & part of his sick way of redeeming himself & making his perversions okay. I feel badly for his victims, his wife & all the people he deceived. Really nauseating.
what I would like to know is why does he have a house with his name only on the deed?? Can someone tell me where that house is located in Bangor??
Why do you want to know where the house is located?
curious to see what kind of neighborhood is is, thats all
I wondered that more than a month ago. It’s in Judson Heights. His previous real estate holdings were always in his and his wife’s names. Before people get upset, information in the registry of deeds is public.
Personally, cannot afford the time it takes to look at someone else’s faults because it takes me away from dealing with my own>>> which is the only ones I can change anyway. :)
You are very insulting to the many people that are Catholic and do not condone this behavior. Apparently you have some deep seeded predudice to Catholics in general.
This article is about a man that may or may not have abused a person years ago. The man was Congregationalist and not Cathoic. So the issue is not the religion but the bad behavior of some people that use there influence to take advantage of minors or others not able to make decisions on their own. This can be any race, creed, color, nationality, religion you name it. They are outthere and some are even in your own family. I know this personally because my own father abused me for years.
I am Catholic and do not agree with the Pope in many things. I do not let the changes made by men throughout the years change my personal believe.
The Holy See is not perfect and the decisions some of the leaders make are colored by their own personal experiences and those may not be mine.
Therefore I do not change my religion because I do not like the leaders or what they say. I stay Catholic because I believe that Jesus built the church that became known as Catholic . It has nothing to do with who or what the Pope does or tells us to do.
I doubt that Jesus would recognize the catholic church as it is today compared to 2000 years ago. There have been more changes to the doctrine because of man over the millenia than I have time or space to write.
he would have railed against them just like he did the against the established churches of his time.
Not to go too ‘Bible’ on you guys but what part of this is not Carlson???
Proverbs 6 vs. 12-19
12 What are worthless and wicked people like?
… They are constant liars,
13 signaling their deceit with a wink of the eye, a nudge of the foot, or the wiggle of fingers. 14 Their perverted hearts plot evil, and they constantly stir up trouble.
15 But they will be destroyed suddenly, broken in an instant beyond all hope of healing.
16 There are six things the LORD hates— no, seven things he detests:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that harm the innocent,
18 a heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong,
19 a false witness who pours out lies, a person who sows discord in a family.
There it is black and white in the Bible!
I dont know if he asked for forgiveness or not before he jumped but I know My Jesus and He is a much better judge then ANY man!!!!!!!
Sort of creepy that man was under the influence of bath salts. I wonder if the Rev smoked any and perhaps that influenced his behavior. Keep in mind that in Bangor people who sell the drug are constantly lying about what the stuff is. They sometimes tell people its only “synthetic marijuana” however it is far from it. Some tell people it’s like a hit of coke and it will help keep you up if you need to stay awake, however this junk makes cocaine look like baby aspirin even in small dosages. I am only speculating here. I am not accusing him of doing such substances. But a lot of baby boomers still smoke pot to relax them. This man may have lied to him and said it was synthetic pot. I’m not sure exactly why sellers of this are lying about what the stuff is or what it is like. All I know is 3 fundamental things about this hideous drug. 1. It is too powerful. It makes coke look like baby aspirin. It gets your heart & mind racing way too fast to be enjoyable. If anything its like a bad panic attack. Even for those who think they can handle it. 2. It isn’t even designed to bring pleasure. Unlike 99% of drugs out there bath salts does not bring any pleasure what so ever. It’s only used to stimulate people to keep them away for days or weeks. But is commonly used with other drugs of choice. and 3. It makes people too paranoid to be around. Don’t believe anyone when they say they can “handle it”.
Sort of creepy that man was under the influence of bath salts. I wonder if the Rev smoked any and perhaps that influenced his behavior. Keep in mind that in Bangor people who sell the drug are constantly lying about what the stuff is. They sometimes tell people its only “synthetic marijuana” however it is far from it. Some tell people it’s like a hit of coke and it will help keep you up if you need to stay awake, however this junk makes cocaine look like baby aspirin even in small dosages. I am only speculating here. I am not accusing him of doing such substances. But a lot of baby boomers still smoke pot to relax them. This man may have lied to him and said it was synthetic pot. I’m not sure exactly why sellers of this are lying about what the stuff is or what it is like. All I know is 3 fundamental things about this hideous drug. 1. It is too powerful. It makes coke look like baby aspirin. It gets your heart & mind racing way too fast to be enjoyable. If anything its like a bad panic attack. Even for those who think they can handle it. 2. It isn’t even designed to bring pleasure. Unlike 99% of drugs out there bath salts does not bring any pleasure what so ever. It’s only used to stimulate people to keep them away for days or weeks. But is commonly used with other drugs of choice. and 3. It makes people too paranoid to be around. Don’t believe anyone when they say they can “handle it”.
I wonder what the odds are that the rev partook of this substance himself? Often people lie about what it is and tell others it’s simply “synthetic pot”. I’m not accusing I’m just wondering.
I’m neither a reporter nor a detective.
> 216 comments for BDN and MSP to read here. I’m confident if they pay close attention to our thoughts, they’ll have a clearer understanding of where to go next to do a complete investigation of Bob’s time working in churches and with our kids in more than one state.
I have heard rumors about extortion against this man and others including a former Penobscot Co. Sherriff and I am sure others know more than what I have heard. So what is worse extortion or child molestation?
Did you really just ask that question? They’re both bad, but I’m pretty sure child molestation would be considered far more aggregious any day of the week. One involves a defenseless child, get real.
Well you are asking the wrong person, I know which is wrong, but from the rumors I have heard the cops would not touch this guy or the former sheriff.
What!? Why? I would think dealing with a person on bath salts would be worse than dealing with this big buffoon head.
Really?……How can anyone still defend this guy?
It is time for many of us to understand the following: It does not matter what church, what school, what family, what neighborhood, what job or what organization you are a part of, there are people like Bob Carlson there and their intent is to safisfy their own wants and desires. It does not matter who you are or where you are if they intend to move in on you or your family to do harm – they will. You and I have got to be smart enough to recognize it and stop it before it happens.
what about a drug test and a polygraph test for anyone who works for the government; like chaplains, law enforcement, judges, lawyers, teachers any state worker at all; it can be called the Carlson Correction.
Let’s just be clear- pedophilia is NOT the same as someone being gay. 95% of pedophiles are HETEROSEXUAL. There are statistics that clearly indicate that the ratio of HETEROSEXUAL pedophiles as compared to individuals who are gay and are pedophiles is 11:1. What does that mean?? For every 1 gay pedophile there are 11 heterosexual pedophiles running around.
Freund K, et al. J Sex Marital Ther. 1992 Spring 18(1):34-43 Department of Behavioural Sexology, Clarke Institute of Psychiatry, Toronto, Ont., Canada.
If someone has anything with more recent stats and can site them feel free to share. Oy !!