WASHINGTON — States are now required to prevent welfare recipients from using ATM machines in casinos, liquor stores and strip clubs to spend or access their benefits. The new policy was tucked in the payroll tax cut bill that Congress passed earlier this month, which also extended the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or welfare block grant through the end of the fiscal yea r.
The needy generally get welfare payments and other public assistance on debit cards known as Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) cards, rather than checks. States now will have to adopt policies to block welfare benefits from being used in any EBT transaction in liquor stores, casinos, gaming establishments or adult entertainment or risk losing federal funds. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will spell out exactly what kind of policies states must implement.
Supporters of the new requirements point to several news accounts as evidence that too many welfare recipients were accessing and using their welfare benefits at “questionable locations.” A 2010 Los Angeles Times investigation, for example, found that $1.8 million in TANF funds were withdrawn in casinos and $12,000 was accessed in strip clubs.
The Times’ series of articles prompted then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to issue an executive order requiring welfare recipients to promise to use cash benefits only to “meet the basic subsistence needs” of their families and ordering state officials to crack down on welfare fraud.
In Georgia, Fox 5 in Atlanta found that $150,000 in TANF cash was accessed in liquor stores, bars and nightclubs, and a probe in Michigan discovered that more than $87,000 in TANF cash had been withdrawn from a Detroit casino over a 12-month period These were among several examples that U.S. R Dave Camp, chairman of the U.S. Ways and Means Committee, listed to demonstrate the need for th e change.
“In plain language, welfare benefits could no longer be accessed at any of these facilities,” Republican U.S. Rep. Geoff Davis of Kentucky said.
Advocates for the low-income say the new restrictions are unnecessary and stigmatize struggling families.
“The idea that TANF recipients are using their cash benefits on gambling sprees or drinking them away may make for sensational headlines but is not based on facts,” the Washington, D.C.,-based Center for Law and Social Policy, an advocacy group, said in a statement. A parent may withdraw funds to pay rent at an ATM located in a liquor store simply because it is the lowest-cost or most co nvenient ATM, the group says.
States that fail to employ policies within two years could face a 5 percent cut in their annual TANF funding. For states like California, that could mean losing $183 million from its $3.7 billion annual share or Wyoming could lose $925,000 of its $18.5 million share, according to a state-by-state analysis from the Federal Funds Information for States.
In addition to possibly losing federal money, states are concerned with the costs associated with the new requirements. This includes identifying the ATMs in question and keeping updated lists, says FFIS, which provides fiscal information to state leaders. Given the fluid nature of ATMs, this could be a challenge.
FFIS said a few states have studied the use of welfare electronic benefits at bars and casinos and found a very small percentage (less than 0.1 percent) of TANF transactions occurred at these locations. “This means that states could incur substantial costs to address an issue that does not appear to be a widespread problem,” FFIS said in a February brief.
Congress also has asked the Government Accountability Office to look into whether the TANF program is vulnerable to fraud, waste and abuse. As part of this work, GAO is surveying 10 states and looking into the location of where welfare benefits are accessed and type of retailers, FFIS said. The report is expected this May or June.



An article about misuse of ebt cards taking place in several states. Of Course it doesnt happen in Maine. EVER!
Several articles per week of welfare abuse, now the federal government is also cracking down along with the state, and still all you hear is these liberal whiners say that we don’t need any changes.
People who work for a living and pay taxes need to remember this in the voting both and get rid of the Emily Cain types.
And still no mention of how much it costs us to subsidize big corporate America and their penchant for under employing. We spend billions every year making up the difference on what it takes to survive in 2012 America and what these “Titans” of American business actually pay in cooley wages. Now their is welfare abuse.
Forgot about ‘big corporate America’ – we’re doing it right here on a local level. In exchange for some manual labor jobs at a charcoal factory, the taxpayers of Maine just purchased a toxic waste dump and handed out millions of dollars in tax breaks in Millinocket. The tax dollars used to buy those jobs are the same one’s used to provide food stamps. Which may cause one to consider that food stamp recipients and charcoal factory employees are both on the public dole, though nobody seems willing to recognize that….
One step forward, two steps back.
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Under employing eh? I got news for you bub, corporations pay what the labor is worth to them, that is how the economy works. They don’t pay what you sitting at your computer decide they should pay. If your skills are worth more money than you are getting from your present job, find another job.
As for your ignorant comment about “making up the difference” via the government, that is beyond pathetic. The government is not there to pick winners and losers or to “even the playing field” as some of you people like to call it.
It is my job to go get job skills that are marketable to businesses, OR to start my own business if I am unhappy with other prospects. The same goes for you.
Don’t play the obama class warfare game and blame corporations for not paying enough, they have a job to do and that job is not to make you feel better about your gross ignorance of all things financial.
I got news for you , bub. The Walton heirs have amassed $93 billion, or 93, 000 million in this down economy. They did so by being the largest under employer and greedy cheap skates in America. I am sure from the shear tone of your right wing rant that you would be fine with everyone in America working for $1 an hour, except you, of course. I am also capable of conveying a point without words like idiotic or ignorant. You should try it sometime. You will find that your opinion does not get dismissed as that of a person wth a low I.Q. and a high sense of self righteousness.
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Why does Walmart have a large amount of people willing to work there? Are they taking advantadge of people who choose to work there? We can argue the point that no one really has to work at WalMart at all if they dont want too.
Growing up as a kid I came to understand that if I did not do well in school, if I did not make good career and life decisions then I would have limited opportunities. I also learned that if I choose to live in certain areas my employment opportunities would be limited. We can argue how people find themselves in the circumstances they are in as well. How are the Walton Family anymore cheap and greedy than a Billionaire like Ted Turner? Did Ted Turner pay people wages much higher then what the actual job was worth?
Why does WalMart have a large amount of people willing to work there? Easy. they came to town, closed down the small business they worked for at a living wage with benefits and replaced them with “public assistance” wage jobs. Work for the greedy Walton brats, or don’t work. How many people do you think would actually stay working for WalMart if there was a decent alternative? Where are they going to go to improve their lot in life, Target? K-Mart? Marden’s? I do not know what Teddy pays. But my guess is that considering he is a trust fund baby as well, he is probably quite “frugal” in the pay department. My point is still the same. We can not continue to afford to take care of the employees of big corporate America while the stock holders sock away billions. The 6 Walton heirs are now worth more than the bottom 96 million Americans. I think they could afford to hand out a few raises and take the load off our backs for a while.
In many ways we agree. My wish is that WalMart could be a place where someone who wants a bit of extra income could work. A place where a retired person not wanting to sit at home could work a little bit. A place where a kid could earn some spending money. I dont think it should be a permanent career choice for people unless they can somehow be in management.
Walmart came to my town and in my opinion closed out only one store in the area, JJ Newberrys and perhaps Ames, which was not a great store towards the end of its history. We still have the same grocery stores and pharmacies we had before. We still have the same auto repair shops and sporting goods store. Walmart didnt really close anything down in the Ellsworth area in my opinion. We have had some factory closings in our county and perhaps those people have had to go to Walmart as it was the only place to go.
There is another reality though with Walmart. I know several young people who blew off going to college or vocational school. They are now working at the Ellsworth Walmart without the skills to be cashiers even. So one of them works as a night stocker. The other one puts cans on shelves during the day. Another collects carts. How much can we really expect Walmart to pay a person who puts cat food on a shelf when there is always someone else that will do that job?
Im not saying what Walmart does with insurance and keeping people hanging on by a thread with wages is right. Im just saying that most of the jobs at Walmart require very little skill or technical ability and the pool of people available to take those jobs will always be there. So Walmart does what it does. And lots of companies do the same thing, even the little mom and pop places.
It really doesn’t boil down to what we expect WalMart to pay for unskilled labor. It comes down to can those unskilled workers survive on what they decide to pay, without a lot of help from you and me. Again, we were originally discussing welfare abuse. I stand by my observation that big corporate America, of which WalMart is a disgusting exemplar, are the biggest abusers of the system, period. I appreciate your points, as well as your ability to convey them in a professional manor. Enjoyed the debate.
I think that it has been shown that much of that unskilled labor has trouble surviving on what WalMart pays and thus may have to turn to Social Programs for assistence.
The question is do we mandate that Walmart pay a higher wage(along with companies like McDonalds) or do we do things to make sure that WalMart does not have to be the main source of employment for anyone?
Good debating with you too.
To amplify this a bit, for the benefit of (you know who you are)…
The more people who can do a job, the lower the wages they command. Conversely, the fewer people who can do a job, the more compensation they can demand. Let’s call it “Supply and Demand”; when the labor supply is large, companies pay only what they must in order to fill a position. When the labor supply is small, companies will bid against each other to get the guy to work for them. This is perhaps why janitors get minimum wage, and why sea captains might pull down $100,000 per year. If you think about it, it makes a crazy kind of sense.
It’s only class warfare when the poor fight back. The rich have been fighting the class war for thirty years and we’ve been losing. Enough is enough. The entire TANF budget for this country is equal to the oil and agribusiness subsidy. Forget all the other industries, just THOSE TWO fund the entire thing. Two successful industries that don’t need our money get free profits from the government, and you spend all your time spitting on some poor single mother getting $400 a month. Because she’s too vulnerable to fight you. Big man you are.
of course we need changes, but thoughtful changes, not hammer-hammer changes.
Re: my take on this story. $1.8 million in casino spending…i bet it costs 3x that amount to reconfigure the system to adhere to the Fed’s standards.
This legislation seems like a ‘band-aid’ and avoids real restructuring.
And the beat goes on……………………
a Sonny and Cher tune. To mark Davey Jones’ passing, I would have expected something from the Monkees!
;)
RIP Davey.
But………your line of reasoning is to allow the problem to continue?
no.
I agree with you that the system is broken, and that there is fraud.
Fraud exists in all strata of society, we shouldn’t be so shocked when the poor do it.
Designing a low fraud system doesn’t seem so difficult to me. So I think the reason the system is so broken is because, on the issue of poverty, our country is broken.
We all want the system to work properly, but whose budget is the first that we want to cut?
Why not give the staff the ability to see which recipients are using their cards at casinos and then see what the heck is happening in that home. There are probably children at risk. Besides, now those gambling on tax dollars will just have to go to the ATM before they hit the casinos. Now what are we going to do to keep tax dollars out of the slots?
We need more and better staff. And many, many more available foster and adoptive parents. I think that’s my solution.
Even if, as you estimate, it takes $1.8 million dollars to reconfigure the system, that is a ONE TIME expense. NOT fixing the system results in an ongoing drain on resources that could have been used to help people who really NEED the help. Get it?
“get it?”
why so rude?
here’s what you don’t get:
the only thing this law does is make welfare recipients go to the ATM before they go to the casino. what are you going to do then?
There are certain peopleon here who don’t know how to be anything but rude. God forbid someone should express their opinionwith out being insulted.
No wait, I’m about far left as it gets and I’d love to see welfare reduced, by creating jobs. These crackdowns are long overdue, nobody should buying scratch tickets with welfare cards, they should be feeding their kids a decent meal. The problem is that you can’t expect someone who has been on welfare their whole life or a family for generations to jump up go get jobs, they don’t know how. Where would they work anyway, no job creation from Augusta yet. The jobs that are out there can’t compete with welfare, $8 an hour at a McJob doesn’t pay the bills or childcare or healthcare or for gas to get to that low paying job.
The taxpayers now footing the bill took the $8 an hour job when we were 16 and worked our way up from there. Now the welfare rats want to start at $25 an hour with no skills and no work ethic or it’s not good enough and they’ll just stay home and collect the check so they can use the ATM at the casino. You can’t make this stuff up.
It is impossible to “create” jobs for people who do not work. People who want jobs need to be employable. If a person cannot do anything that is worth me paying him for, he isn’t going to be my employee. The government is already paying people not to work. It is called welfare.
Howdo you get from someone’s buying scratch tickets to their kids aren’t getting a decent meal? Sound like an assumption to me.
Maybe the RNC should practice what they preach!
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/rnc-spending-spree-raises-questions-michael-steele-takes/story?id=10238151
So in one post you aren’t a liberal but you have anti-RNC talking points? Yeah, you aren’t a liberal.
I dont like pork sandwhichs either, that but that don’t make me a Vegetarian!
jus’ cuz yer against one don’t mean yer fer the other!
We need more articles about how Bob Nutting’s MaineCare theft that equals several months worth of TANF fraud still hasn’t been repaid or prosecuted.
It’s funny how if you rob a bank, you get 25 years, but if you own the bank and rob your customers, you get a $25 billion bailout.
The crackdown needs to include Lottery Tickets from ANY store as well. How many times have we seen someone use their EBT card for scratch tickets?? I can’t afford to waste my money for tickets and I can’t afford EBT receipients to waste MY MONEY either!
It aint your money!
What, you know this for sure because EVERY time You buy lottery tickets your neighbor is there buying some as well?
Your Money?
How do you know that he didn’t sell his last prized posession for the 2 dollar ticket!
Poor people cant have hope?
What?
Welfare money isn’t MY money? Where the heck do you think that money comes from, the welfare fairy?
Do you have any idea what the heck you are talking about? Do you even have the most basic understanding of economics or government?
The original comment clearly stated that EBT cards should not be used to buy lottery tickets, why is that so hard for you to understand?
All welfare money is given by the government. All the money the government has is taken from the people. Government doesn’t produce anything, therefore it doesn’t have any way to raise money other than via taxes. Therefore, all money given via welfare is my money.
JK
I hear you, and I understand. But what about tax dollars going for bombs, wars, state sponsored assassinations, rendition programs for waterboarding, welfare of corporations, bailouts etc?.
The law pretty clearly states that once taxes are paid, “government” has full latitude to “use as may be directed”. I don’t like that either, but…..
Let’s put the fun back in fundamentals, shall we!
Washco,
Let’s also point out the tax dollars going for ‘art’ of people deficating on the American Flag, painting of Jesus having homosexual sex, a Cross in urine, Virgin Mary laying in elephant feces, etc.
While offensive, the money spent supporting that kind of art is less than 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% the money spent on the things Washco is talking about. Lets start at the top, root out that stuff, then work our way down.
Ha! I just posted an answer to your observation, and I named the name of that particular work of art that Bill mentioned. Just its name was enough to get my comment blipped. Just the name of it. Why is spending public money on such things okay? It is not. Not even 0.000000000000001% is okay.
See thats the problem with warefare/welfare economics. One is used to justify the other. Obviously more money is spent on national defense. But whenever democrats talk about cutting the military republicans suggest welfare and when republicans suggest cutting welfare the dems suggest cutting the military. So they compromise and raise taxes and print more money. Both need to be reformed, they almost need to be gutted.
This EBT thing is a step in the right direction though because for every person abusing the system that is potentially a second person who is in need not getting help OR it is the difference in another persons taxes that is barely scrapping by.
Actually WAY more money is spent on entitlements:
Major categories of FY 2011 spending included: Medicare & Medicaid
($835B or 24%), Social Security ($725B or 20%), Defense Department
($700B or 19%), non-defense discretionary ($646B or 19%), other ($465B
or 12%) and interest ($227B or 6%). Expenditures are classified as
mandatory, with payments required by specific laws, or discretionary,
with payment amounts renewed annually as part of the budget process.
Expenditures averaged 20.6% GDP from 1971 to 2008, generally ranging
+/-2% GDP from that level. The 2011 and 2010 spend were both 24.1% GDP,
versus 2008 spend of 20.8% GDP. (This info comes from the Congressional Budget Office)
Medicare, medicaid and social security are all considered entitlement programs. These programs total 44% vs the 19% Defense Dept. spending.
wow shows what happens when you assume… Thanks for these statistics do you have a citation for them so I can school my liberal friends on budget breakdown?
Though my argument of welfare/warfare budget compromising I think still rings true regardless of the balance.
If you go to http://www.cbo.gov all the information you ever wanted to know (or not) about the budget/spending is located there. This is a government organization so they cannot claim that there is any prejudice in the keeping of the statistics.
I agree with you on the budget compromise issue. I just hate to see the common misconception about the spending on defense (I am veteran & the spouse of a 30 year veteran and our benefits/retirement is being stolen bit by bit) being the largest of all the budgets just bothers me.
I come from a military background as well and a military family. I understand where your coming from as a young business professional trying to make his way in the world its extremely frustrating seeing the “government owes me” mentality that so many people have. To go to the corner store and see people spend EBT on 40’s and scratches then go home and play xbox on their 42″ plasma.
I recently have seen an example of horrid abuse of the system. A couple living in a 3 bedroom 2nd floor appartment here in bangor which is paid for via vouchers and they were renting a room out to a student for 450 a month and using that cash to finance narcotics. These cases I believe to be the exception to the rule but these examples do happen and are just a complete travesty even if they represent a miniscule amount of welfare spending. It is insulting to those who have worked for benefits like military personnel or people who just work and will never see a penny of the money they pay into the system.
So if you know the facts on this couple of welfare cheats and don’t turn them in, you are part of the problem.
And they aren’t collecting benefits anymore because you did your duty and reported the fraud, I’m sure.
The reality is that we are now seeing what happens when you take the money away from the Dept. of Defense. They will continue to build ships, planes and bombs. They will fund it with the salaries of the soldiers and sailors they dismiss and by breaking the contract they have with the retired military by chipping away at the benefits they promised.
I have a sister that refuses to work, has 2 children out of wedlock and has lived off the system for years. She is in housing (with the baby daddy), gets food stamps, medical, a cell phone, internet, cable tv and an EBT card for those items that can’t be purchased with the food stamps. She still lives there in Bangor. There is no reason why she can’t work…she has a medical related degree…she just lives better off the rest of us than if she actually worked for a living. Until the system changes, we will continue to have career/generational welfare…when the system makes it less comfy to live on welfare then you’ll see a change.
PS: Before I get abused for bringing up my sister…I never said I didn’t love her but I sure don’t have like how she chooses to live her life.
Thank you for your service! Obongo would thank you, but he is too busy dismantling TriCare…
It was my pleasure to serve my country. It was an honor to be the spouse of a career military man. It has been disheartening to see the steady erosion of our benefits…and the loss of good men and women.
I hear you loud and clear! We have twin sons in the Navy; we are aware of what our Grateful Government is up to…
Medicaid is a means tested program. Social security and Medicare are not. You can not lump them together. The welfare programs people on here complain about are all means tested. Military spending far exceeds that. You need to recheck your facts and count the right things.
I guess that the Congressional Budget Office is wrong then? Because that is where I got my FACTS from…please give me a reference for where you got your FACTS from….
Congressional Budget Office,the same as you.
Try searching for entitlement programs…medicaid, medicare and social security come up. You can also go to GAO.gov (Government Accountability Office) and search entitlements and the same programs appear. Two government agencies call them entitlements so what is a poor, old, stupid Mainegirl to think?
By your reasoning, your paycheck is your employer’s money and he should be able to tell you how to spend it. Last time I looked, this was a free country. People have a right to make choices. They may not be the same choices you make, but they suffer the consequences of their wrong choices not you. It also sees to me, the amounts quoted in this article are miniscule compared to the total benefits expended. Another solution looking for a problem? Thats the Republican way, blame the poor!
YOU ARE SO WRONG! These losers suffer no consequences of their bad choices because bleeding heart liberals like you make sure the rest of us pay for their WELFARE, METHEDONE, MAINE CARE, DISABILITY, CELLPHONES, AND INTERNET. Thats the democrat way of buying votes and it driven this country to the brink of fiscal collaspe. But you feel better about yourself so thats whats important. Show me someone on welfare without a flat screen tv and I will buy the brooklin bridge.
We have opened our borders and wallets to not only help our own but way too many others! I also say pull us out of these God-forsaken countries and fix healthcare with these costs. I know I am off topic, but it all loops back to the same thing.
you listen to too much WVOM!!
Right on!!!
Because a $250 television is too much for people in poverty? Do they have to live in caves and create drawings on the wall to satisfy your hateful desire to see them suffer for the crime of poverty?
Lol, way to ignor the point I made about the ABUSE of the welfare system and jump to name calling. Of course thats what all liberals do when confronted with FACTS!
Owning a $250 television is not an abuse of welfare. I do know someone on TANF who owns a TV that is a 20 inch old school model. I’ll get the deed to you.
There is a difference his employer pays him for a job- making it Jonathan’s money. The money is not given to him. I am not against EBT cards for those that need it, but it should be used for things that are necessary.
Welfare recipients do not perform any services or labor to get their TANF/EBT cards. A employee performs services that their employer needs done, therefore the money they get in their paycheck is payment for services rendered.
I beg to differ…in order to receive tanf a recipient now has to work at least 30 hours a week….I know this for a fact. tanf is given to the low income workers, I get sick of people saying it’s a hand out…I use to be one of these people…not anymore because I got rid of my bum ex husband !!!!! Men run from their responsibilities!!! Women have to try and pick up the pieces and most do not get child support as was my problem…
You perform a service for your work and get paid for it. You get TANF because your employer doesn’t pay you a living wage. You perform no work for the tax payer/government. Therefore people resent it when you use an EBT card to buy booze/lottery tickets/scratch offs/cigarettes.
Thats it folks , 65 and on Social Security cant go to the Bar for a Beer anymore!
Jonathan just shut down the bar!
LOL
I’m awfully glad I have a heart and my parents taught me to respect others as I would like to be respected. Certan people on here are so fullof hate, it’s sad.
Didn’t know your social security was a means tested entitlement program,did you?
It’s not
You and I know that, but according to mainegirl, it is. She’s counting it with mean’s tested programs to show how “welfare” exceeds military spending. It doesn’t. More manipulating numbers to prove something is true but it’s not true!!! Sounds a lot like the LePage administration!!
This is an excerpt from a letter written by the Congressional Budget Office Director, Peter Orszag, to Jeb Hensarling (a member of the House of Representatives):
” In fiscal year 2007, spending by the federal government will amount to $2.7 trillion,
or one-fifth of the nation’s economic output, the Congressional Budget Office
(CBO) projects. The three major federal entitlement programs——Medicare,
Medicaid, and Social Security——will account for about 45 percent of those outlays”
Search term used on CBO.gov was “entitlements” lots of articles and letters popped up detailing Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security…this doesn’t even touch what is spent on actual Welfare (EBT, Foodstamps).
You can try to spin it any way you want but the government considers them entitlement programs so what is a poor, old, stupid Mainegirl to think?
By that definition , everyone receiving social security is on welfare. I bet all those seniors out there would love to know that!!! The “welfare” all you Republicans are talking about doesn’t include social security. You can’t compare apples and oranges and get bananas.
I didn’t define it our congress did…last time I looked it was made up of Democrats and Republicans. I don’t recall actually saying what party I vote with…you ASSUMED that I was a Republican. I am pro military because I am a veteran as is my husband. I see what the cutting of the military spending is doing to my benefits…you know the ones I earned and that congress is now taking away because they deem them entitlements even though we served our time and EARNED them.
Welfare fairy – I like that.
The last time the voters in this country had hope was when Obama was inaugarated. Gas was only $1.78 a gallon. Now we haven’t even got change !
Welfare ain’t my money? Did you even read the article? Wow.
Think of it as a Strawberry daiquiri, everybody in town forfeited a strawberry by law and it was put through a blender and poured out into little cups to be dispersed!
One of the cups spilled out onto the ground and was wasted
Only a fool would call the puddle “HIS” Strawberry!
Except some of us dont get to drink from that community daquiri at all so not only does the strawberry puddle irritate us but the fact that we were never going to get a drink in the first place.
this metaphor is awesome.
What about people who hate daquiris! and believe they are fundamentally wrong.
I think that is what the guy implies by his money… ah hem strawberry. He obviously doesnt believe he can reach into a welfarers pocket and use his ebt card but he disagrees that his orginal money was taken from him to give to another to spend on something he would not have spent on himself in such a fashion…
I guess I am a fool…I would say that they ARE wasting what they took from me by force if they are spilling the daquiri on the ground
See – if they take strawberries away from half of us, and give those strawberries to the other half… and then we see the recipients wasting the strawberries, which WE could have kept and used more to our advantage (since WE picked them!), it makes us ugly. And to add insult to injury, the people who directed the strawberry thefts have the gall to say, “Hey, vote for ME, I’ll take care of you…!” Excuse me, but I do not care WHO is holding MY strawberry NOW, I still regard it as MY strawberry, and I don’t want to see it wasted. Give it to a hungry kid, fine, but don’t be putting it in some go-go dancer’s G-string!
If a person can afford vices like: lottery tickets, trip to Hollywood slots, cell phone, cigarettes, pay-per-view, netflix, iphone… the money spent on any one of these luxuries could be spent on food.
If you are on entitlement, it does not mean you have to have all the luxuries, it means you need the entitlement for food, shelter, clothing, not lottery, slots, or other vices.
When the Goverment gives them Money, it is a Medium of Exchange.
It is legal Tender!
If they want to give them Food, Give them Food,
If they want to give them Shelter give them Shelter!
Once you have given them a medium of exchange, expect them to use it as such !
You make a good point. Unfortunate situation we’ve set up!
lets abolish ebt then. Increase housing vouchers and food stamps. Give them gift cards for the good will to go buy clothes.
You know, Dlbrt, that is the best argument I have heard yet for going back to the old Donated Surplus Commodities program. Go line up behind the 18-wheeler on Friday afternoons and get your peanut butter and powdered milk. Now, try swapping that for your lottery tickets…
Excellent idea. It’s the only way to ensure that the children are cared for. Think of the children for a change and give food instead of cash.
100% correct.
so don’t give them money.
give them peanut butter and tuna and spaghetti… inexpensive food like that is good enough for my tax paying family, it should be good enough for the people getting my money.
cell phones and minutes are free if you qualify for welfare
another waste of my money
even worse all of us that do pay for phones pay an extra fee /tax to supply phones to those who dont pay
True, hate to give them the ability to get a phone call for a job interview when we can just leave them on the dole forever
Free cell phones for welfare recipients. Oh, and 250 free minutes per MONTH! What the heck do they talk about?
Another pet peeve. The free cell phone with 250 free minutes for emergencys per month. Unless they are a 911 call center, I can’t see even the worst drama queen having 250 min. of emergencies.
You have a point, if a poor person can afford all that, are they really that poor?
Welfare is not an entitlement.
I agree that no one is “entitled” to anything but what do you call it when people choose to have children they can not care for and then utilize funds that working people pay to a government that hands it out like candy?
I call it criminal, but apparently our government calls it OK.
Hmm, I was thinking the democrats don’t be responsible for your own actions welfare plan.
What about the people who worked and had children then lost their job or had a life changing event where they now needed help. Do you send the children back where they came from. Noteveryone on welfare “planned” to have children they couldn’t support. More assumptions!!!!
The Republican reproductive health plan?
From Merriam Webster:
Noun
A right to benefits specified especially by law or contract.
And how is welfare not entitlement?
Look up what entitlement means and it should become obvious…
You are not entitled to get money simply because you do not have a job, but unfortunately a lot of people think so and abuse the system in order to do so.
If they have children in school they actually get to save on 10 meals a week for each child. We are paying to feed them breakfast and lunch in school.
I’ll never understand why we have to help people with cash. Why can’t we just pay their expenses for them so they won’t have cash burning a hole in their pocket to just blow on luxuries? I think paying somebody’s rent and utilities and groceries is generous enough.
I love reading the Liberal posters here as it demonstrates the utter lack of any comprehension as it relates to economics. Keep showing us how smart you Liberals really are. Well done Dlbt!
First of all I am not a Liberal,
Second, in the Economics that that I studied, Money is a medium of exchange and when the government took it, it became the governments and when they disperced it to the guy on welfare it became the guy on welfares.
Now you have every right to go to your representative and ask that the Government collected revenues be spent in another way !
However ,
When you think that you still OWN the money that was spent by the Government and because so that you OWN the way that the third party spends his newly aquired medium of exchange you are vastly mistaken.
If you re-read your first sentence, as it’s structured, it demonstrates your utter lack of comprehension of grammar. The comment suggests that your reading of posts demonstrates the utter lack of any comprehension as it relates to economics.
Want to revise it? There is an “edit” button at the bottom of the post.
Show us how “smart” you are.
I are smart
you are not adding to the discussion… well formed sentences and all
Glass houses my friend…that’s the premise! If you didn’t get that, the likelihood of any explanation would be fruitless.
What have you added today?
Enjoy~~
Did you get your economics degree from Harvard, Yale or Princeton?
I don’t have a degree
I’m shocked! An Einstein in economics and no degree, what do you know!
Einstein said something we all can relate to. He said, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over, while expecting different results.” Sounds like the Democrat Welfare Programs to me. Over 40 years of giving away our money to jerks and freeloaders and what have we purchased with those dollars? Nothing I’d want to brag about.
{ Over 40 years of giving away our money to jerks and freeloaders and what have we purchased with those dollars? Nothing I’d want to brag about.}
I agree!
Trickle down never did and never will work!
We tried giving it to people in exchange for work on public works projects, and the Republican Party hated that too. I’m sure many liberals would fall over themselves to sign onto the Republican Party’s resurrection of the Works Progress Administration, but I haven’t seen it happen yet.
Well, Dlbrt…. I said that my comment applied to customers who USED THIER EBT card to buy the tickets…. not sold their “prised possession for the 2 dollar ticket”. Yes poor people can have hope, but on their own dime…. not my tax dollars.
Strip clubs and lottery are now part of hope and change? NICE!!! Right it is not a democrats money they do not pay taxes.
I bet this arrangement existed prior to the current adminisatration.
but keep reaching, I know it fulfills your otherwise empty day to pin something on the otehr team!
When you start telling people that you own them by way of your Tax Contribution,
“YOU” loose your freedom!
Since when???? I’m a Democrat and I pay a lot of taxes.
Chances are tax payers maybe paid for the
last personal item they own.
When people have 2 jobs and still can’t buy a lottery ticket
and have “hope” where does any Career welfare person
get the idea they should be allowed to blow mon they
didn’t even earn?
Want hope? Get 2 or 3 jobs and give up the welfare and
blow ” your” money any way you want.
People who wanted to be supported, find yourself a rich spouse.
If they sold their last prized possession they should have spent it on food. clothes or to pay a bill. I was there for a while and never spent it on lottery tickets, booze or to gamble.
Anybody who sells his “last prized possession” to buy lottery tickets is too stupid to be helped, and should be a ward of the state.
Dlbrt, who do you think pays you? Me! and all the other hard working tax payers, that’s who.
If he sold his last prized possession in order to blow that money on scratch tickets, that would explain why the heck he is on welfare in the first place…
But I thought that the lottery was a way for the government to make money? Wouldn’t that mean that the welfare money used to buy the lottery ticket be going back to the government? If so, why wouldn’t you want them to be able to buy a lottery ticket?
Lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.
Uhm, never. You can’t even use your regular ATM card to buy lottery tickets.
Why should anyone just be getting cash? Retail databases can now predict what you will buy before you know you want it. So why can’t we restrict these cards to purchase the basic necessities of life?
Household necessities only,food only,even food is used for barteing for drugs and other items. There is no simple answer to this abuse but simplifying what can be purchased withe cards is good start
Vouchers! Vouchers! Vouchers!
JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!
I agree wholeheartedly. But, if we are going to give people money for rent, food, etc. Then it should be ONLY for that specific thing and be made impossible to spend the money otherwise.
Hey wait…when Christine Rouselle’s article appeared a month ago, all the bleeding hearts posted on here and said EBT cards couldn’t be used for anything but food…
TANF can be used anywhere, because it’s money, SNAP can only be used for food. Both are on the same card, in the state of Maine. So many people think that only food stamps are on the card. I see no problem with restricting where the cards can be used, but it won’t stop people from using the money in these places.
What Waste, What Fraud?!?
You know the Democrats didn’t spearhead this effort. It’s a violation of these deadbeats’ human rights! Where is the outrage?
Did you have a little too much coffee???
these cards should be of 0 cash value, need id to use, for eating bathing and shelter if they want more get a,,,, f-ng,,,, job
If they can get hired . If i was hiring i could come up with all kind of reasons for not hiring them . The first would be there credit score if you don’t have a good credit score no get hired , you have been out of work to long no hire.
What in hell does a credit score have to do with getting a job? That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
It does, but I know it is pretty common in some financial related positions, if I hire someone to handle large amount of money, I want to make sure their credit score (and probably cross reference it to a background check) the person I hire won’t be tempted for quick cash to pay off debts
You said it yourself, “in some financial related positions”… find different line of work.
Not everyone deserves to be hired for a 100k a year job. People EARN their employment.
God forbid people start taking responsibility for their actions and their situations.
Better not hire any Politicians.
A bad credit score will also get you denied a position at most of the large box store retailers now, as well. One can no longer just walk into those stores, pick up an application and get an interview. Everything is done online and processed by large employment firms that do the screening process. A credit check is done before a more expensive criminal background check and a poor rating stops the process and rejects the applicant.
So i guess you don’t read the new do you its been all over the news an even on tv
i am not out of work look around you people can work
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If they can get hired . If i was hiring i could come up with all kind of reasons for not hiring them . The first would be there credit score if you don’t have a good credit score no get hired , you have been out of work to long no hire.
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with your typing skills i am surprised you have work yourself
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If they can get hired . If i was hiring i could come up with all kind of reasons for not hiring them . The first would be there credit score if you don’t have a good credit score no get hired , you have been out of work to long no hire.
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i don’t work
that’s what i figured
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i don’t work
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Now tell me why i don’t work ??
Unfortunately, the majority have jobs, but they just don’t pay enough to support a family.
work harder
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Unfortunately, the majority have jobs, but they just don’t pay enough to support a family.
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Majority. Please state your source?
Work/school/volunteer requirement for TANF, do the rest of the legwork yourself
AWESOME! been waiting for a law like this for a while.. sadly.. this will probably not include gas/liquer stores, and or the multitude of ATMS all over the US.. my nearest ATM is less than half a mile away..
Why shouldn’t it include gas stations? People may need to fuel up to get to doctors appointments, take their children to school, or look for work.
Or buy drugs off the local “pharmacist”.
As studies have shown, drug use in welfare recipients is significantly lower than drug use in the general population. In other words, you are more likely to visit the local “pharmacist” than they are.
If I were in an industry that profited from the welfare system, I’m sure that I could buy my own study that backed up what I said.
You would think that is true, yet the companies that sell drug testing services to welfare recipients haven’t been able to come up with a study that backs what they say… so, seems that maybe we should trust the studies more than your biased opinions.
Or yours!
So we should never believe any study that is done according to you .
And Studies have shown that your “studies” are self-reporting jokes.
Name ONE Study that has shown “drug use in welfare recipients is significantly lower than drug use in the general population”?
I can show you at least 8 that show the exact opposite of the drivel you just wrote.
{ my nearest ATM is less than half a mile away..}
I’ll bet they sell beer there!
Glad to see the government is cracking down on these people. Wish they had done it sooner, but they were too busy invading other countries for oil and lithium deposits.
If they were taking lithium, we wouldn’t have the problems we do.
Believe it or not, a LOT of people that go into casinos don’t gamble, they cash checks, have dinner, there are local events held at casinos that have nothing to do with gambling, it’s really more like a mall in some places with casinos.
How much is it going to cost to manage this current list of all ATM’s in the US ?
Penny-wise, pound idiotic seems to be the rule of the day. For a group of people that claim to be so fiscally conservative, there seems to be no end to the expansion of the size of government to make people feel like government is being efficient, when all it’s REALLY doing is adding another level of expense to the mix, which usually doesn’t even offset the problem it was supposed to.
Don’t forget shopping in the strip clubs as well…..
I was at Hollywoods slots there was two ladies behine me they were in there 60 i over heard one ask the other did you come here to gamble she said no i just come for the buffet .
And if she was paying on her own dime then great. But if she was paying with an EBT card do you think that is allright?
Food is food whats wrong if she did use the card ?
What is the spirtit of the program? Is it to be able to buy nutritious food for yourself and family that supplements your food budget? Or is it to provide yourself with some entertainment and the purchase of a meal in a restaurant that is more expensive then buying groceries?
You call a buffet expensive i don’t not for 10 bucks
Ten dollars or ten cents doest really matter. For me ten dollars is not expensive either. The point is remains the same. Does the use of Food Stamps to purchase restaurant meals follow the purposes of why the program was created?
You can not purchase retaurant meals with food stamps. You can not even buy warm food from the grocery store deli with food stamps. More assumptions.
Yeah, you got it!
This is the Conservative idea of “Banking Regulation”!
Repeal Dodd Frank and Regulate ATM’S!
Dodd Frank created the crash of 2008, you’ve finally said something intelligent, it certainly should be repealed.
The Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (Pub.L. 111-203, H.R. 4173) is a federal statute in the United States that was signed into law by President Barack Obama on July 21, 2010.
Was that Crash Retro -Active?
who pays the $10 ATM fee at the Casinos? Does that make any economic sense for a person on TANF to waste their money like that? If they can ‘afford’ that expense, obviously that money is being misused.
I don’t think my tax dollars should be paying for people to eat out or go to “events”. I can’t afford to do any of those things, so I don’t.
This story is for all of you that say welfare abuse doesn’t happen in Maine.
Take off your blinders! You are either naive or just plain ignorant.
I don’t believe that anyone is denying that welfare abuse exists in Maine. It is just not as rampant in state or nationwide as some may want to think. But of course momentum for a change in policy cannot be gained if there is no outrage. Figures recently released (by the GAO I believe) shows nationwide that abuse is at approx. 1-2% and that as an average 40% +/- of people receiving some kind of government benefit are employed.
Maine is an all around tough state to live, work, survive and just exist in.
The figure you’re talking about is the percentage of successfully prosecuted abuse, not actual abuse. That number will rise if people start actually investigating the fraud.
In this state, for example, investigations were not done proactively until LePage came into office. Now we are seeing the number of prosecutions skyrocket, and they will continue to go up until the losers who would rather not work (as opposed to the people who REALLY need welfare) either find a new scam or actually start working.
That is an excellent point! The previous administration didn’t look for, or WANT to discover any abuses, so they reported abnormally low numbers. It is only a coincidence that those numbers made them look good.
It is especially tough when one half have to pay for the other.
I would say by the insane design of how benefits are doled out in Maine, welfare abuse is much higher. Of course, you and I may differ on the definition of “welfare abuse.”
As far as I am concerned, a 19 year old girl who gets pregnant and then gets free healthcare, housing, cell phone, food, daycare, great deals on tuition (if that doesn’t interfere with having a 2nd or 3rd child), MILEAGE paid to and from campus………..all qualifies as abuse of the system. It is even worse when they can just keep having kid after kid and stay on the system seemingly forever.
I await the liberals’ attack that the above case is such a small number it is statistically insignificant so who cares. WE pay for 19 year olds to be able to be stay at home moms. HOW many working people are not afforded that luxury?
I work in education and I have known of many “families” who simply sit home all day, every day, year after year. Sorry for the “anecdotal” evidence as it is flatly ignored by many, but I see it all the time. No job, not looking for a job, but they always can afford cigarettes, tattoos and custom cell phone rings. It is amazing. Govt and the bleeding hearts have made it way too easy to sit home. THAT is a big part of what is wrong with this country and Maine in particular. The Maine work ethic seems to mean less and less each year. Yes, I understand the economy is terrible everywhere. However, there are many people who, in the best of times, simply are not going to work. We have made it so they don’t have to.
The whole system is insane.
I’ve never said that welfare abuse doesn’t happen in Maine. But the Lepage administration has. Until December, ago, the state maintained a page on the DHHS website headlined something like “10 myths about welfare in Maine.” It said there was very little fraud or abuse, even going so far as to say it was below the national rate. Curiously, the page disappeared. Anyone know what happened to it? Did someone suddenly realize that it didn’t support the governor’s agenda? It was a great reference for spelling out what EBT cards can and cannot be used for and clarified many of the falsities about welfare programs.
GOP censorship.
Censorship? How about previous administrations refused to admit, prosecute or even investigate welfare fraud. Get a clue.
DHSS, under the B mas was short or was it missing $30 mill, things that make you go hummmmm
$30 million??? They “LOST” a couple hundred million. They know it wasn’t stolen. They just don’t know where it went.
You just can’t make this stuff up.
The Office director got canned and the administration made it clear to the fraud unit that they WOULD investigate complaints which they had pretty much refused to do in the past.
I’d like to read more about this alleged refusal to investigate criminal allegations. Can you steer me to a source? I’d like to know what the rationale was.
There are ALL kinds of Abuse!
There is no denying that!
What about nosy neighbors degrading and harrassing poor people?
Typical liberal response. Since there are ALL KINDS of abuse, we shouldn’t concentrate on any of them and just continue to spiral down the drain.
Gotta love those liberal plans to problems.
What’s your solution Einstein?
The solutions are simple. Photo IDs required for EBT cards. Restrict food items to only healthy, inexpensive food items for SNAP cards. Require random drug testing for welfare recipients with no advance notice. Randomly inspect welfare recipients homes on a random basis with no advance notice. If you are caught commiting welfare fraud then no more benefits for you ever.
Don’t like it? No problem, support yourself.
That is pretty much what is done in Japan where there is very little welfare at all. The Japanese still have shame and not nearly the number of illegitimate children encouraged here.
I believe the “typical conservative response” usually starts with the words “typical liberal”.
Stop painting us all the same and we’ll stop painting you all the same, as trashy ignorant racists.
Ever notice how you cannot debate a liberal anymore for more than a few minutes before they throw down dat Race Card? Why is that?
Have you ever noticed you can’t debate with a conservative without them insulting you? Why is that?
Or, or… layabouts scamming their hardworking, taxpaying neighbors…?
You got to love how these groups defend using these
cards in liquor stores and such places. I suppose the
taxpayers are obligated to give their money so one can
“shop or have dinner” at a casino. This is supposedly to
allow people to use it for necessities and to help pay bills.
Not to have dinner or buy booze at our expense. There are
plenty of ATM machines outside of these places to use…use them.
I’m sure it is just a coincidence that most SSI checks are cashed in liquor stores…
Has to be;-)
seems to me the ebt card could be encoded to that it doesn’t work in those places each machine must have a special code to it’s being.
Egads!!! $12,000 withdrawn from ATM’s in strip clubs!!!!
Is it at all possible that the holders of the EBT cards might be employees? Is it possible that some employees at various WalMarts who qualify for TANF might use their cards at an ATM in a WalMart store?
Let me guess, this bill has been pushed through with the sponsorship of ALEC/Heritage Policy Foundation.
Look, as a die-hard conservative, I DEMAND a new Nanny-program that will cost us billions of dollars in government expenses to stop these welfare leaches from bleeding us dry to the tune of thousands of dollars.
LOL that is funny:)
{Let me guess, this bill has been pushed through with the sponsorship of ALEC/Heritage Policy Foundation.}
It draws the heat off the State Buying Toxic Landfills with Taxpayer Dollars!
If all the peasants are at the Stocks throwing Tomatoes at the Witchs they will be to busy to notice it!
Employees of strip clubs are most likely dancers , bartenders , or waiters who get much of their income from tips. Much of that money is under reported thus allowing the employee to pay much lower taxes thus allowing the employee to qualify for cash benefits from honest taxpayers. Do you see the potential for fraud here ? This has absolutely nothing to do with liberal or conservative politics. It’s potential for just plain fraudulant use of benefits !
Nation of 300+million, $12,000 taken from ATMs at strip club. I’m just to lazy to do the math but, don’t think that that amount of money being drawn over a year is all that much to be worried about. Reminds me of Charlie Webster screaming about voter fraud that he never did prove, even with the aid of store manaquin Charlie Summers. Much ado about nothing.
You could volunteer to make up the sums wasted; then there wouldn’t be an issue, would there.
If they have a job, they shouldn’t be on welfare…
During the election for Maine Governor, LePAge was talking about one of his best employees. She was making $10 an hour and he wanted to give her a rtaise to $10.50 but when he found out it would affect her benefits he did not give her the raise. DOes anyone else but me see a problem with that? Our governor would not give a raise to his best employee because she would lose state benefits.
How about paying a living wage instead of relying on the government to subsidize the wages of their employees? I am talking about Marden’s (because our illustrious governor was the CEO there) and the largest welfare employer, Walmart.
It’s all free.
Just slide your EBT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII
Excellent!!!!! Thanks!
This is nutting Honey. Who writes this type of law. If you want to live in a country of religious conseratives move to IRAN
What a waste of Time!
I’m guessing that you have pleanty of it so carry on.
it is about time…
There is something seriously wrong here!
An ATM Machine is a BANK!
“Where” you bank is under attack by Assumption and Association!
Actually, no. It is not a bank. Thanks for playing, don’t bother to try again.
More from the biggest Nannies of all, big gov’t social conservatives.
What’s the big deal about a few lottery tickets? Chances are, they are going to the convenience store anyway for chips, soda and candy. Plus it’s a good opportunity to go outside, get some exercise and walk their dogs.
What’s the big deal about a few lottery tickets? It’s a huge waste of OUR money, that’s what. A person is 600 times more likely to be struck by lightning than they are to win a major prize in a lottery. You could poke money through a hole in the sheetrock walls of your house and still be ahead of playing the lottery because, if you changed your mind about throwing it away, you could get your money back. The people who are LEAST able to calculate the real odds of winning are the people who play lotteries the most. That means that the neighborhoods where people MOST need help with money for true necessities are the neighborhoods where stores sell the most lottery tickets. Across this country, millions of welfare dollars are pissed away every single week on “The Impossible Dream”. It is cruel and wasteful, and harms those who need that money the most (supposedly).
I sense some sarcasm in her comment.
Yeah, I caught that as soon as I saw the word “exercise”.
No accountability just more bandages. That is the gov’t running things for you. And the nice little change was tucked into another bill that no one read, and that one is on the elected officials. We get what we voted for.
The numbers don’t add up. California benefits are more than Maine’s budget. If the $1.8 million is California’s total, that is nothing on a $3.7 billion. Now, if the majority of the transaction were at one or two locations, it should be pursued. But really. More money will be wasted trying to prevent the theft of 4o cents of $1,000. As a taxpayer I would rather pursue the fraud with penalties and restitution than put a policy in place that will fail.
No wonder Olympia quit, there goes her hopes of becoming a dancer !
This should of been done a long time ago.. This money is for food and personal needs like diapers shampoo etc. It should not be used for gambling of any kind or strip clubs.. I feel soda and bottled water should not be bought with this either.. On the other hand distilled water that is used for cpap and bipap machines should be covered as that is a necessity..
“A parent may withdraw funds to pay rent at an ATM located in a liquor
store simply because it is the lowest-cost or most convenient ATM, the
group says.”
Right, I’ve heard ATM fees ranging from $5-$20. I’m sure a liquor store would have a cheap ATM on site.
For all of you out there who think welfare money is not my money,here’s a news flash. As long as I keep working 60-80 hours a week, it is my money. You are able to live a comfy life thanks to me. Hope Maine has this law in their books.
Maybe tax payers should request visitation rights, to all the child support they pay.
There is a reason I don’t have kids. I’ll skip the visitation.
Where is the strip club Lobbyist on this?? and where will congressmen hang out??
So now they have to go across the street to the bank ATM that is on every corner?
That will solve the problem.
now if they could take junk food out of food stamps (cards) and put soap and toliet paper on……
If you want things above
necessity, then go get a job and earn them. going to a strip club is above any
necessity, same as a casino, when the money is tight, then entertainment is one of the 1st things to cut, if you are on welfare then strip clubs and casino’s should be last if not even on your list.
Wow those lefty’s are some generous with other peoples money. No fraud in the system move along nothing to see here other than normal democrat crap.This is how they help the needy must be a relaxation benefit for the struggling needy.
Give me a break!!!!! How do the people that use State money as a way of life figure out how to scam the government? They “work it” and milk it dry. The dishonest know how to scam the system and now the state can’t afford to hire workers to keep people honest. Round and round we go….
The government makes it so easy to get benefits, it doesn’t take much for it to be used as a “way of life.” It is outrageous.
They used to just mail out TANF checks, which people would then cash and use for whatever they wanted. This is the same thing. I don’t like abuses either, but calling it the “strip club loophole” is just propaganda at its worst.
I can’t get the damn machine to give me all singles for the gurls.
good one!
And the bleeding hearts begin to wine……..
Isn’t it swell, knowing that a law was needed to stop these abuses? That they were allowed (and clearly, ongoing) in the first place?
Here we go again……………………..
and the Politicians all know that the easy solution is to go back to handing out FOOD for those who NEED FOOD, and clothing for those who NEED cloting, but…
by handing out cash instead, they are able to escalate their divide and conquer strategy.
Getting all of us to point fingers at other American citizens and not realize that the real problem is the government.
as for bombs… I gotta say I am not all that upset that all that money is being spent on thousands of electrical engineer and mechanical engineer salaries at Raytheon and McDonnell Douglass…. even if they are just making bombs and RADAR, at the very least they are doing something… and it might turn out to be useful… the ones just getting money handed to them… not so much.
the government needs to give incentives and opportunities, not hand outs…. nobody benefits from a hand out.
WHERE’S THE PICTURES? With that head line I was hoping for pictures
Now if congress could only find the gumption to stop the war profiteers from raking in billions and billions of dollars…..oh wait, they have lawyers and donate handsomely to members of congress…
The crack down should include lottery tickets and tobacco products as well.
I’m not sure how this works – can’t they just take cash out somewhere else first? But good idea anyway.
I wonder how many people will actually start looking for jobs now that they can’t use their EBT cards on ta-tas, vodka and blackjack….
Eliminate all fire departments!! They are just WELFARE for people whose houses are on fire!
{or risk losing
federal funds}
I guess they are saying go ahead and continue because they will likely not enforce it
I dont understand why ppl on welfare cannot just have there funds taken away and the state open grocery stores with only healthy food, medical centers that tend to state insurance only and if they get rental assistance then the state pay it directly to the landlord and NO i dont mean to the buddy who rents a room to them for 850 a month and splits it with the welfare cases. If they dont want to work and claim they need assistance then put stipulations on the PRIVILEGE. If someone has ever asked me for help I ask them what they need and I buy it and give it to them, i wont hand money to anyone cause 9 times out of 10 they are lieing about what they really need it for. The cars,tvs,chips cookies and soda well if they want it then they can get a freakin job just like the rest of us. IM TIRED OF THIS PROBLEM CONTINUING THERE IS A SOLUTION IF SOMEONE WOULD JUST STEP UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
This is a continuing demonisation of the poor by Congress-specifically Republicans- to keep driving a wedge between the poor and the working poor so that the working poor have someone below them to denigrate and so the working poor do not start looking at the do nothing Congress and wonder WHY we are paying them over $3400.00 per week (each Rep and Sen.) to do nothing. We have a jobless recovery that Congress won’t address BUT they could take time to investigate European cruise ships this week in the House-WHO IS COMMITTING THE FRAUD????
What is being purposed does nothing except make states have to pay money out to watch ATM”s …. the people that were accessing these machines in these places of business will just get money out somewhere else before hand…duh..