AUGUSTA, Maine — A remote mountain in the woods of far northern Maine is once again the focal point of a major debate over mining as landowners seek sweeping changes to state regulations in response to the rising price of gold and silver.
Environmental and conservation groups are accusing the state’s largest landowner — J.D. Irving — as well as some lawmakers of attempting to rewrite Maine’s mining regulations in the span of a few weeks without adequate public scrutiny or debate.
The result, opponents warn, could be poisoned lakes, streams and groundwater sources near Bald Mountain and other Maine places where gold, silver and other valuable metals are locked away in the bedrock.
“I don’t think I have ever seen a piece of business done in the Legislature this way, at least not a piece of major environmental legislation,” Jeff Reardon of Trout Unlimited in Maine said Tuesday.
Bill supporters, meanwhile, said they have no intention of weakening Maine’s environmental standards and that new technologies have made mining dramatically safer from an ecological standpoint. But they suggested that Maine’s existing regulations — adopted 21 years ago — have stymied growth of a natural resources industry that could create hundreds of jobs in rural areas for decades to come.
“Since the law changed in 1991, not a single permit has been issued for a metallic mine” in Maine, Anthony Hourihan, director of land development for Irving, said Tuesday during a phone interview. But from Irving’s perspective as both a long-term landowner in the state and a major employer of Maine workers, the project “has to be done right,” he said.
“If it can’t be done without creating environmental legacies, it shouldn’t be done,” Hourihan said.
Lawmakers in Augusta are holding work sessions all this week on a last-minute bill sponsored by Rep. John Martin, D-Eagle Lake, that would remove the Land Use Regulation Commission from the mine permitting process. Instead, all permitting would be consolidated within the Department of Environmental Protection.
The proposal also would rewrite regulations regarding mine waste storage, monitoring and reclamation of the land after mining operations cease.
Although the proposals would apply statewide, they were inspired by renewed interest in the potential big-money metal deposits buried in Aroostook County’s Bald Mountain. Irving, which jointly owns the property with Prentiss & Carlisle, estimates the project could create 700 jobs and generate $120 million in tax revenue.
Geologists have known for nearly 40 years that Bald Mountain — located west of Ashland and Portage — harbors significant deposits of gold, silver, copper and other valuable metals. But despite years of research and expenditures topping $25 million, none of the half-dozen companies involved in the property over the decades have successfully mined the site.
The costs of extraction and permitting have been major factors for the inaction, although the rising price of gold, silver and copper has revived interest in the project. And then there are environmental concerns tied to “metallic sulfide mining.”
The Maine Geological Survey estimates that the Bald Mountain deposit contains roughly 30 million tons of sulfide, 2.4 million tons of rock containing copper and 1.4 million tons containing gold and silver. But those precious metals are found at trace levels — estimated at 0.02 ounces of gold per ton of rock and 0.04 ounces of silver per ton.
Capturing those metals would require removing massive amounts of sulfide rock — dubbed “overburden” — and then likely using chemicals such as cyanide to separate the valuable metals from the rock in a process resulting in hazardous wastewater.
Compounding the environmental concerns, the massive amounts of overburden contain sulfide, which reacts with air and precipitation to produce sulfuric acid. The resulting “acid mine drainage,” if left untreated, can contaminate groundwater sources and poison nearby water bodies, killing fish and other wildlife.
While mineral mining is a small industry in Maine today, residents of the Blue Hill peninsula need not look far to find examples of the environmental impacts from metallic sulfide mines in the days before protective regulations.
Acid mine drainage from the former Callahan mine in Brooksville and the Kerramerican mine in Blue Hill has contaminated area coastal sites and streams, requiring massive cleanup projects. The Callahan mine is a federal Superfund site.
Whether the proposed regulatory changes pending with lawmakers will adequately address those pollution concerns is a matter of debate.
Irving’s Hourihan said mining technologies have changed in recent years and new treatment options help avoid the environmental problems found at older sulfide mines. But he said the current regulatory system is too burdensome to navigate and does not offer enough flexibility to accommodate new technologies.
“Basically, the different folks we have been talking to said, realistically, it is almost impossible to permit a mining operation in Maine now,” Hourihan said.
But Reardon with Trout Unlimited said the late introduction of the bill — in the final weeks of the legislative session and without prior notice — means that his and other groups have had no time to study the issue.
Sean Mahoney with the Conservation Law Foundation pointed out that the late-session proposal would scrap and replace regulations that took a special committee more than a year to develop in 1990 and 1991.
“As drafted, it is breathtakingly broad and is such an overreach that in the first work session it was clear that even the attorneys couldn’t defend it with a straight face,” Mahoney said.
Mahoney said he hopes lawmakers will defer judgment on the bill and instead spend the rest of the year studying the issue before next year’s legislative session.
Sen. Thomas Saviello, R-Wilton, chairman of the Environment and Natural Resources Committee, said Monday that the committee plans to devote at least four days to the issue this week and likely will continue into next week, pending approval from legislative leaders. This is the only major issue left on the committee’s plate.
Hourihan said Irving is optimistic that lawmakers can complete work on the bill this session, noting that it would likely take at least one to two years for the rulemaking process plus time for permitting. But if lawmakers were unable to complete work on the bill this session, he added, “Bald Mountain will stay as it is today.”
“For us, it’s about getting this right,” he said.



Not worth the future problems, unless they can deal with the issues that come with mining.
Shhhhhh…….. Don’t tell Quimby she will buy it and lock it up !! She don’t want Maine residents to make any money off the land in Maine !
She don’t?
Nope she don’t.
I disagree, her plan would result in lots of people making money, just not Irving and P&C and there few workers.
Can you prove me wrong, with anything but emotion and personal attacks, please.
I have never personally attacked you.the fact that you make that allegation does say alot about the type of person you must be so I will refrain from any further correspondence with you thank you and good night
I wouldn’t expect less from a trust fund kid who doesn’t need to work for a living. People need jobs for food and shelter. Stop starving the State of Maine from having job.. I hear the northwest territory has space for people who prefer a twig over Humans.. Please Leave.
Ouch, you apparently do not know me. I work for a living and have been laid off, have been unemployed, have had to eat on 25 bucks for the week, I have been born and raised here in Maine, and do have a great appreciation for the outdoors and our resources. I do not have a lot of money and never have had a lot of money, but that doesn’t mean I’d be willing to trade the quality of our land and water for something that may be irreparable. If they can deal with the acid mine drainage issue than by all means they can go ahead with it, I said that above. It even says it in the article; the director of land development for Irving says
“If it can’t be done without creating environmental legacies, it shouldn’t be done”. You should read up on the problems associated with mining for people in the area, not fun.
You all should read up on the devastation of Maine’s mountains and “quality of place” being allowed right now by the proliferation of sprawling, environmentally devastating industrial wind sites. http://www.windtaskforce.org
So exactly how much logging and mining does Irving do in Canada, I wonder? It seems this Canadian-owned company does a great job of leaving their own country pristine while raping the state of Maine and taking all of our natural resources. Wood is running low, so now they want what’s in the ground.
Make no mistake, any jobs for Mainers would be temporary and low-paid anyway since anything above bottom-of-the-barrel positions would go to current Irving employees. Are you people blind? If Maine wants to cater to Canada so much, why not just leave the US and become part of Canada – at least we’d get healthcare. Right now we get NOTHING out of this!
The Mainers can clean Irvings toilets.
Yes, spay1 you are correct that the human resources profile for a modern mining operation would not be a good match for people in Aroostook looking for jobs. All are highly specialized and industry specific.They will 70-80% out of state people coming in.
More importantly these changes that Martin and others claim are new more eco friendly metal mining practices are not fundamental changes in process, the source of the industry’s high toxicity to people and water, but technology that allows more effective targeting of concentrations that reduce the volume of materials processed, the amount of surface disrupted. The process itself is still highly toxic and still involves processing of huge amounts of material.
“Miningis the Nation’s Leading Source of Toxic Pollution
“According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Toxics Release Inventory (TRI), metal mining as a whole is the leading source of toxic pollution in the United States – a distinction the industry hasheld for eight consecutive years (1998-2005), ever since mining was added tothe TRI list.
“The EPA has also reported that more than 40 percent of Western watersheds have mining
contamination in their headwaters. The total cost of cleaning up metal mining
sites throughout the West is an estimated $32 billion or more.”
http://www.ewg.org/report/congressional-testimony-mining-reform (2007)
At present ,and for 20 years under LURC ,mining is not allowed except under a development plan which requires designation of the area to be mined, a thorough discloure and assement of the process to be used and the requirement of adequate buffers. The present bill has the exact opposite philosophy..that if there is metal on your land you have a right to mine it with no interference. If the new bill is more envonmentally protective why didn’t J.D. Irving & all the others apply when they had the chnace under less stringent environmental regs?
It is in effect a corporate opt out from LURC. Here is the actual working draft..judge for yourself
http://www.maineforest.org/docs/LD-1853-Mining-Amendment.pdfforest.org/docs/LD-1853-Mining-Amendment.pdf
Do you see any description of safe technologies or any limitations on environmentally compatible technologies? Do you see any prohibitions of the processes most associated with the superfund sites that used to be mines? Do you see a lot of language there on environmental protections?
Read the history of Maine’s mining at the Maine Government site and you will see that this short cut to a mining permit affects huge swaths of the unincorporated territory and also any part of Oxford & Hancock county where local zoning does not preclude mining.
http://www.maine.gov/doc/nrimc/mgs/explore/mining/minemaine.htm
This bill is ultimate corporate trojan horse.huge corporations and their lawyers persuading locals this is safe and lucrative for them.
If we are going to consider a major change in policy in natural resource extraction and metals mining, let’s do it in the open with public forums and presentations about these new safe technologies and let’s set up a Soveriegn Wealth Fund like Alaskas Permanent fund. Such funds started as balalnce of trade funds to earn income on revenue that had to be set aside. But such funds can be structured for other public purposes and can after a few years generate a divident paying benefit for everyone equally and can offset taxes. People in Alaska pay no tax at all.
If we are going to take a risk with our lands and waters shouldn’t it be a carefully studied and well documented and out in the open and shouldn’t we explore something like a soverign wealth fund.instead of just paying these funds into treasury?
Mr. Bowker, a well presented comment. Thank you. I wish people would have taken the same approach regarding wind power before setting up LURC & DEP to allow a virtually unfettered assault on our mountains by the onslaught of sprawling, environmentally devastating industrial wind power sites. The impact of this is already greater than the mining at this location except for the toxic waste issue. But the mining does not have the noise and injurious low frequency sound issue that plagues industrial wind, Nor will the tourism business be ruined as is the case with lining all our ridges with ugly 45 story turbines. See http://www.windtaskforce.org
I just read somewhere that the noise effcet of turbines and their well documented impact on nearby humans was intentonally witheld.
I am a great believer in the common wisdom..in the wisdom of crowdsourcing solutions. Behind all this cross labeling and polarized mutual disdain and hateful rhetoric I believe there is a common wisdom..that together we will make the right decisions 100% of the time.
I was on the NYS Banking Board for 10 years..everything that went into each decision happened behind closed doors and in executive session. At the “public sessions” there was no discussion..they just watched us vote. I hated that then, even for banking, and I hate it now.
If we got the pols and corporate influence peddlars out of the way and sat down together people to people we would ask the right questions, we would make the right decisions. These decisions might include wind power..but in a wiser policy..they might include mining but in a wiser policy and with more public benefit.
I understand that you have an agenda separate from the mining issue that you wish to push, but, no noise issue with mining? How do you think they get the rock out of the ground? With pillows?
You forgot the subsidies that get poured into the pockets of folks like king .
Apparantly Gaia doesn’t like mining;
http://www.lindsaynewlandbowker.blogspot.com/
Is this who we want setting policy for the economy of northern Maine???????
I confess
.you’ve “outed” me.
I am a contemplative
..and..very happy to have people visit my blog which features outstanding technology, art , design and leading edge science. It’s been neglected for awhile though. But my all means visit..slight woo factor warning …but mostly of general interest especially the essay at the end on “politics beyond polemics”
I confess too that my “thing” is good government. I am not for or against an east west highway, not for or against revisiting our policy on mining, and on record for decentralizing many LURC functions to the counties for permits, inspects enfocements as paid agents of LURC. I also advocated parity with munciplaities on LURC opt out for county government. And, I am a vocal advocate for us “rural folk” ( not elegant gentry..but working mainers).
On the mining issue what I seek is openess, truth, transparency and a chance for all mainers to see what is involved. While you are visiting me via google, visit my TED Conversation on Sovereign Wealth Funds.
Would you rather have all the fees and permit and application monies above oversight expenses going to the treasury or would you like to have Maine’s wealth reserved for the people of Maine as an actual endowment or as dividends paid out like the Alaska Permanent Fund.? Alskans pay almost now taxes because of how they structure allocations of revenue from natural resources extraction.
Does the truth matter to you that the 300 jobs John Martin points to are industry inside jobs in technology and IT..virtually none would be for folks in Aroostook looking for better prospects.
I have to say I totally understand your gripe that environmentalists in their fervor to protect our natural resources and public health sometimes forget to also “hear” the part about the frsutrations and difficulties of making ends meet in the the “real” non gentrified rural Maine.I hear you and I actually know about that. I want those voices to be heard, respected, understood. Your voice.
I am not trying to make policy “for” anyone. I am trying to lobby for a process of government that is not controlled by corporations and corporate lobbies..a process that is open truthful a decision making process that is based on facts and not lies manipulations and empty promises.
Brief means short and to the point .
Woodpeckers have to pack lunches to cross the clearcuts in New Brunswick. and wood is not running low in Maine by the way.
Sorry, just in NORTHERN Maine. The recent report cited overharvesting in Aroostook county, balanced cutting in mid-Maine and slightly more growth than cutting in southern Maine.
Jobs jobs jobs those are the three most important things to me.Not all of us want to or will go on the state.Those who don’t mind leaching off the rest of us will never understand the importance of any kind of job.
I think you will be surprised to learn that Irving has not
left Canada “pristine” as you think. Irving has their hands in almost
every aspect of the lives of many Canadians. They are one of the largest
landowners and logging operators in Canada as well as owning the largest oil
refinery in the country, multiple newspapers, TV and radio stations, steel
companies, railroads and the list goes on. Google them and you will see just
how extensive their holdings are.
Just dig it up. Gold and silver are very valuable, since they are money. Silver is the best conductor there is, and therefore has many industrial uses. It is also a very effective disinfectant.
Leave Maine alone u damn Canucks!!!
I’d love to see the Canucks , which ice arena will they be playing at ?
More jobs for Canadians. LePage always takes care of his true country men.
In this case John Martin is taking care of uncle Irving.
John Martin takes care of no one but John Martin.
Argue all you want about Canadians, but you are missing the hidden agenda. The question is why was this bill introduced at the last minute under the disguise of putting Mainers to work? Follow the money trail of whom will benefit and the history of those involved. This bill wasn’t introduced so quickly out of the goodness of someone’s heart!
One reason;
To help John (Ballotgate) Martin with his re-election.
my thoughts exactly..someone needs to connect the dots.. when irving first came to Maine their first gas pumps were in a certain town in northern maine I think..
When Irving first came to Maine when they purchased the operations of the D.W. Small and Sons Company, who at the time had pretty expansive holdings within Northern New England.
John Martin knows all to well just how to play the game. You know in your heart that he will benefit in some way from this. Where are all his friends who recently criticized the conservatives for submitting bills at the last minute ? Step up now if you can justify it !
You can say the same thing about back in April 2008 when Baldacci rammed through the heinous Expedited Wind Permitting statute which has led to blasting away and leveling mountain for useless industrial wind sites.
they could but you will never hear a lib badmouth anybody but conservatives.
Write your testimony ( which can sent via email) for the hearing on March 28th.)
How about the fact that J.D. Irving is a company that is trying to maximize their return on investment. Don’t get me wrong, I am no big fan of Irving, but they do provide many jobs in our state at a time when everyone else seems to be cutting jobs. I am aware that the profits are filtered back to Canada, but that sure is a lot better than China.
Take a look at the the Big Prebble Mine that is being proposed in Alaska…this mine will do more damage to the state ecosystem then any other thing has done in the past 50 years. These types of mines are extremely dangerous due to the chemical process they use to exctract the metals.
John Martin has always just been a yes man for Irving he is using his influence for his own personal gain. Don’t think for one minute he doesn’t have something to gain from this.
Shame on John for dealing with a company that bring jobs to Maine .How are we ever gonna get the welfare state above 50%[holding steady at 47%] if people keep bringing jobs here .Just shameful wanting to supply folks with a way to take care of themselves and the people they love.
Let’s all fret over the County’s ecosystem – that will surely bring jobs back. I have yet to see one environmentalist work to provide jobs. The core values of environmentalists transcend any concern whatsoever for people or the value of human life. Maine is a welfare state partially because these kool aid drinkers destroyed logging and manufacturing here.
Jonathan,
Totally get it. Look at Lincoln ( that’s where i lived as a young child..my grandfather was superintendent of the mill)..think of every mill in Maine transformed as that one is..but add to that employee ownership ala Cianbro..think of that co existing with tourism as it now does in Lincoln. That Lake was so foul when I was 7 we couldn’t swim in it. That’s the Maine I envision..diversified local economies that grow out of the culture and traditions of each community, owned by local peiple not foreign corporations or huge out of state corporations..self governance, self determination, not minauplation and false promises and top down imposition as it has been.
At first my prejudices against big city folks[NYS banking board] who come to Maine to help civilize us was in full swing,but after digesting some of your comments I’ve come to see a certain amount of wisdom in your posts that is thought provoking.Thanks I look forward to your future posts.
Ruin the greatest resource we have for corporate profits. They’ll strip all value from the area and leave a toxic waste site for all of the rest of us to live with. The low paying jobs will be gone when the mine is played out, and the profits made will have gone to people who don’t have to live in the area. That’s exactly what is in store if this bill gets passed.
The same can be said about the proliferation of useless industrial wind power sites, developed only to reap tax subsidies. There isn’t a toxic waste problem, but the impacted areas are a thousand times greater. We are blasting away, leveling, and clearcutting our ridgelines for something that doesn’t work.
How many advocates and supporters of wind turbines know that these ugly blots on our landscapes kill bats by the thousands? Keeping in mind that bugs and insects are the bat’s main dietary source, imagine how the depletion or virtual extinction of the bat will affect farming? (epidemics of bugs and insects)
Wind turbines make dramatic changes in the air pressure around the front and back of the turbine itself. Some studies have shown that it isn’t actually flying into the turbine that kills bats, but internal hemorrhaging, which happens due to a dramatic and sudden drops in the surrounding air pressure. A bat’s lungs will expand, and this sudden drop will explode the lung capillaries, causing them to bleed to death.
There is a serious rise in bird kill from these turbines also…but not comparable to the potential widespread eradication of the bat.
Sure has lined king angus’s wallet at the expense of the taxpayers tho hasn’t it .
No new jobs no new jobs.I’m with ya can you spot me a few bucks till my foodstamps get here.Friggin welfare check is late again and them bathsalts are going thru the roof and all anybody ever talks about is new jobs.Just shameful.
hopefully some actual news reporter should follow the money on Irving and the folks pushing for this legislation….if lepage was pushing for this the moonbats would be all over him. I think there is probably some financial arrangments for some powerful people….you think?
Downbeat2..good question,,mine too. I am wonderingif they had hoped to take care of it by abolishing LURC and failing to pass regulatory takings.
According to LURC public records there has been no expressed interest to them by any party to mine even though they have a process for doing that. I don’t get it either. Also all this scrambling and 4 working sessions in a row and a bill thatis a hodge podge cut and paste mess ( so far) suggests they did not expect to have to do this.
But my question too…why now? Why so urget to get it through this legislative session and with no opportunity for public input?
I truly don’t know.
Shhh. The conservatives are trying to push a bunch of bills through at the last minute before they lose control of the legislature.
Apparently, the only good job in rural Maine is an enviromental industry job.
These people come out of the woodwork at the first sign of any progress being made towards economic advancement for northern Mainers.
These are the same people that fought to keep the Maine Turnpike at two lanes in order to choke commerce that would benefit the rest of the state.
They are also responsible for fighting the cargo port at Sears Island that would benefit commerce in the rest of the state.
These are the same people that want to “restore” the northern forest to wilderness by driving rural Mainers away in order to continue the agenda of forced preservation.
Oh, and I almost forgot, These are the same people lining up to oppose an east west highway that would save millions of gallons of fossil fuels………so much for their anti global warming efforts.
These people need to be stopped before they destroy the entire economy of this state and this nation.
A Bill that has such vast implications and consequences, but is submitted for so-called study and a legislative vote, at the last minute no less, is nothing more than a politically manipulated rush-to-judgement. Bush did that after 9-11 and instead of going into Afghanistan, like we should have, we wound up in Iraq. Does anyone want to recall the results of that little clusterXXXX rush to judgement? No, if this issue is so important, for both sides, then it needs and deserves a serious review by everyone to see the benefit’s, the cost’s and the consequences of it’s being put into actual practice. It also calls for a lot more research by looking at similar mining operations and the actual result’s that were achieved, on all side’s, when the mining was done. If there was ever a case to be made for a Devil’s Advocate, on both side’s, then this is it. The real question, and it’s along way off right now but needs to be kept in mind, is do we all have the smart’s to see the result’s, either way they come out, and have the gut’s to act responsibly regardless of our personal view’s and position’s ? That’s when you put your money where your mouth is and stand on your ‘Hole card’, Deuce or King be dammed.
Back in April 2008, the heinous Expedited Wind Permitting statute was rammed through an unknowing Legislature in less than 15 days, barely meeting the minimum legal requirements. It was the waning hours of the “Short Term” and the public was never aware that this bill favoring one particular industry would have such environmentally devastating impacts. This Martin bill should have huge warning flags draped all around it.
Yes, these short sessin rules need some over hauling..seems like all the corporations and corporate lobbyists really wait for this part of the sessionto ram things through..
Voters ndid same day registration ban..don’t we have the power to over ride the legislature on other things we diagree with them on? We should just revoke anyhting we disagree on.
Let me tell you something…ah forget it.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/abandoned-mine.htm See for yourself what mining leaves behind. We don’t want that here.
If there’s going to be a gold rush, I can just see the politicians shouting about how many jobs they created. All those miners will need more pizza, subs, hot wings, and steel tip shoes. Yep. More low paying jobs aplenty.
Yes, we need more high paying liberal state jobs.
Still better then more welfare checks
trying to picture that..food trucks lined up at the base of the mountain with picnic tables outside to serve the 300 hi tech out of state workers? tourists panning for gold joining in? ( you know you can do recreational gold panning there without a permit I think)..curious onlookers coming to see what is going on..maybe media tents set up and famous folk broadcasting as 2 dozen hard core occupy folk march with their protest signs. Folks in haz mat suite wandering silenetly in and out of the forest. Two oblvious birdwatchers enthusiastically sharing a rare sighting.
Any good cartoonists amongst us..and what would be the caption?
Allagash One Stop and Coffins will have to build on and be open 24 hrs a day.
Mining destroyed Silver Valley area Idaho. Copper mines around Butte, Montana left a mess. I’ve been through both of these places. They’re horrible. You do not want beautiful Northern Maine to look like this.
Mining also contaminates the water supply, dirt, and the air. It will hurt the wildlife. This is bad bad news for Maine.
Stop all this stupid garbage and give people in this state some REAL jobs. Most people ARE NOT going to want to work in the mines or gambling casinos. Is this what you think we want for our children and grandchildren???
The only Gold in the county is in them Potato fields. Is it spelled “Potato” or “Potatoe”. Mmmm, who would know for sure?
Unfortunately this is boom / bust economic development. During development and the period the mine runs it will be the best of times and when the mine runs dry the area will return to the worst of times. Also keep in mind that mining today is highly mechanized so that a few employees can move vast amounts of material. During the develpment phase ( a relatively short period) would most likely be the highest employment for the construction of access roads and on site facilities. Once the actual mining phase got underway the employment opportunities would ramp down to those few required for the actual mining. That said some jobs even though short term are better than no jobs. What the area really needs is sustainble long term jobs.
Historically these types of mining operations have left behind an environmental disaster that john q tax payer has picked up the tab for the clean up. Nearly every time when the mine runs dry the owner files bankrupcy leaving us to the clean up. Unfortunately clean up is usually put off for years and the pollution becomes far worse than necessary. Perhaps the mine operator should be required during to establish a multi million dollar trust fund to pay for any clean up.
This sudden rush to change the State’s requirements sure looks like a knee jerk reaction. Conversations regarding development of this mine died some time ago because it is a relatively small deposit and mining of copper to be profitable required large deposits that take longer to mine. Are we just rushing to open a can of worms? Seems that if it would be profitable right now it would still be profitable this time next year.
I have to laugh — they are quick to put the words gold and silver right up front thereby creating that gold rush fever mentality when in truth the actual deposits of gold and silver are so minimal and difficult to extract that they are not worth the cost to mine on their own. The actual value is in the copper the gold and silver are simply by products of the copper production. Oh yeah and the copper mining is where the bulk of the environmental problems come from.
We should ask that our legilators not rush on this and move prudently. Economic development especially in northern Maine is good but lets not have the costs out weigh the benefits.
Moonbats and the Greed Machine
anybody know what’s happening in Brazil?
Didn’t think so,eh?
Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:52
Brazil Fears Unstable Seabed at Chevron Offshore Field
http://www.collapsenet.com/free-resources/collapsenet-public-access/news-alerts/item/7052-brazil-fears-unstable-seabed-at-chevron-offshore-field-rigzone
typical. Everyone wants the benefit of mining, they just want it done elswhere. I’ve spent a considerable amount of time on,at and around Bald Mountain, but can’t remember seeing all these folks that are so concerned there. Good thing they’re on guard though, keeping us County folks in line.
Like you kurt I have spent some time in and around Bald Mountain — shot a couple of deer and some birds — saw a few moose — caught some fish in Carr pond and the rest of the Fish River watershed — even caught some fish in Greenlaw Pond and the Machias River watershed
Although I would feel bad during the mining just as I did during the clear cut days the benefits to County people is really worth considering — What really concerns me would be the after effects. The woods and animals have pretty much recovered from the clear cutting but I am not sure they could recover from the mining it is allowed to go on like it has in other areas of the state and country.
Now I will hear that I am only concerned with the deer I can shot and the fish I can catch and not the residents of the County. This could not be further from the truth. If they do mine the state of the environment left behind — yes the woods, the deer and the fish — causes me great concern. The waters around Bald Mountain are at the headwaters of the Fish River and Machias River watersheds that empty into the Saint John and Aroostook Rivers. So any pollution at Bald Mountain will reach out to affect most all of the communities in the County. The condition of the woods, deer and fish in the area of Bald Mountain will be a barometer of the County’s health.
Mining at Bald Mountain is just another element of progress and all progress has a price. Lets just make sure that the progress does not have to high a cost. There is only one County in which to live in lets take care of her.
Thank you for your wisdom county born. Let’s be sure what the risks are..let’s be sure we all agree they ae worth taking.
I have no concerns whatsoever. Mining will not be allowed here no matter what. We have no say in the matter. This is purely political manuvering , nothing else. I’m waiting for the shale oil deposits to appear next, wonder which concerned figure will remember those first?
Is this why anguish sold his stock in wind.Now it is gold!This will bring good paying jobs short term.Right now i say dig, baby, dig! maybe the gold rush guy’s will film it.
John Martin and the gang have been watching to much Gold Rush Alaska, People have known for years that it is in most of Maines mountians, but it cost as much to get it out as it is worth.
There’s GOLD in dem dar hill! GOLD I tell ya!