BREWER, Maine — A privately funded east-west highway favored by Peter Vigue, chairman and CEO of Cianbro Corp., that gained state funding for a feasibility study last week differs from the east-west highway that was identified as a Congressional High Priority Corridor in mid-2005.
The federally designated corridor would run from Calais to Watertown, N.Y., cost about $12.5 billion and take more than 25 years to build.
That route has not advanced past the talking stage, primarily because of its price tag, which is why Vigue said he started studying a similar route that accomplishes the same goals but at a fraction of the cost.
Another big difference is that the state and Federal Highway Administration would pay for the Calais-to-New York state connection while the east-west highway proposed by Vigue would be bankrolled by private investors and maintained by money generated from tolls.
“There have been multiple studies done since the 1960s and all those studies, including the one done recently, basically start in Calais, follow Route 9 to Bangor, take Interstate 95 to Newport and then [go] through Skowhegan, Farmington and over to Bethel,” Vigue said recently of the designated high-priority route. After leaving Maine, the highway would “cross the mountains of New Hampshire and go over to Vermont and New York” if those states jumped on the bandwagon to build the federal highway, he added.
Vigue said he knew years ago when he sat on the Bangor-based East West Highway Association board that the cost of the massive infrastructure project and the multistate partnerships needed would mean the highway project would go nowhere.
“I starting studying it from a different angle and my approach is much more simple,” the Pittsfield businessman said.
The concept proposed by Vigue calls for a 220-mile toll highway that starts in Calais, follows the Stud Mill Road to Costigan, just north of Old Town, crosses the Penobscot River, then heads northwest to LaGrange, Milo, south of Dover-Foxcroft, Monson and The Forks before connecting to Route 27 and crossing the Canadian border into Quebec.
“That route is not etched in stone,” noted Ted Talbot, spokesman for the Maine Department of Transportation.
From the border, it is only about 60 miles to Trans Canada Highway Route 10 near Sherbrooke — with connections to Buffalo, Detroit and other Midwest destinations — and to Trans Canada Highway Route 73 to Beauceville, located south of Quebec City.
The expected cost of the toll highway is between $1.5 billion and $2 billion, and if everything goes as planned it could be operational by 2019, Vigue said.
Gov. Paul LePage signed the east-west highway bill on Thursday. It provides $300,000 for a feasibility study of the privately funded highway. The final route of the proposed highway would be part of the study, Talbot said.
State lawmakers have commissioned similar highway studies in the past, including one by the 102nd Maine Legislature that recommended an east-west highway corridor then called the International Atlantic Corridor Road project.
The 118th Legislature passed a law in 1997 requiring the Maine DOT to conduct a study of the costs, benefits and social and environmental impacts of an east-west highway.
In fact, the idea for an east-west highway “was first broached in a 1937 economic development plan for the state prepared under the auspices of the federal Works Progress Administration,” according to “A Brief History of Rural Development Policy,” published by the New England Environmental Finance Center in 2007.
There are a number of benefits to building the toll roadway that would connect the Canadian Maritimes and Quebec, according to Vigue and other supporters of the bill signed by LePage. The biggest benefit is reduced transportation costs for those shipping Maine products to the Midwest, the western U.S. and Canada because the route would cut off hundreds of miles for truckers. Another benefit is that the highway would provide a direct route for drivers heading to Maine destinations, the backers say.
“This is going to enhance tourism,” Vigue said. “I’m very confident of that.”
The route also could be used for utility and communication needs, he said, and would allow Canadian tandem trailers and heavy loads now barred in Maine.
“It’s not just for the Canadians. Maine’s largest industry is tourism,” Vigue noted.
Those concerned about utilities connected with the project should know that “everything that happens in that right-of-way will have to go through state and federal regulatory agencies” to gain approval, he said.
Several groups oppose any east-west highway. Some environmentalists who testified against the bill said it would increase pollution and lead to more burning of fossil fuels. Others said the highway might exploit the state’s water, timber and gravel resources without adding value. Representatives of Maine’s railway transportation system also testified against the bill.
But the fact that truckers heading to Detroit would be able to cut hundreds of miles off their route with the new toll highway would not only help their wallets, it would also cut the amount of pollution produced to get to the same location, Vigue stressed.
The LePage administration joined construction, pulp and paper, and other business groups in supporting the bill.
“This road will connect central Maine to millions of new customers in Canada,” Republican Sen. Doug Thomas of Ripley, the bill’s chief sponsor, has said. “I hope that after decades of layoffs and business closings that this is the beginning of a more prosperous Maine.”
Recent discussions in the Brewer-Holden-Eddington area about the planned Interstate 395-Route 9 connector, which is designed to ease heavy traffic between the Canadian Maritimes and the federal highway system, has led to some confusion over the two east-west highway proposals, Talbot said.
“One is the southerly east-west highway and one is the northerly east-west highway,” the Maine DOT spokesman said. “They’re not connected in studies right now and they’re not connected in funding right now.”
The federal transportation bill signed in 2005 allocated $1.1 billion to the state, with $28 million set aside for the federally designated east-west highway and a portion of that reserved to construct the I-395 extension.
Vigue, who has given more than 35 presentations over the last year about the proposed toll highway, testified during last month’s public hearing on the east-west highway bill in Augusta. He also has been talking with potential investors and Canadian officials.
“Based on meetings and interactions and conversation that I’ve had I’m very confident we can raise the money — extremely confident,” he said.
The Maine DOT is expected to complete the feasibility study by the end of the year.
“Once we get confirmation, we will begin the permanent design process,” Vigue said. “We believe the permitting process will take two to three years and the construction will take three years.”
BDN writer Eric Russell and Glenn Adams of The Associated Press contributed to this report.



I can see where this project would create a lot of construction jobs, which is great.
But I see this particular route as a fast track for Canadian commerce through the US with no particular benefit to Maine or the US. Sure, there will be the benefits of being next to a super highway.
What are the other business benefits that mean good jobs for Maine?
This new course will ignore the business of Maine and guaranty happiness to Canadians. Probably another blind idea of LePage, forget his constituents and pad his pockets.
What about Maine products that can be shipped faster to the upper states ? Potatoes, bluebarries ect ?
We have a rail system in place right now!
One that has very poor connections and service to the rest of the country.
But why spend money to reinvent the wheel? It would cost much less to improve the rail connections along the existing corridor than to build a whole new road.
Maybe you would like to negotiate with the current owners of the connecting lines for us.
BRRRRP!
What rail system most of the rails are being discontinued and ripped out. You may have a few up in Aroostook County. Most of the rails South and West of Bangor/Brewer area are being discontinued and ripped out. No sense waisting taxpayers dollars on rails if they aren’t being used. You need to use what we have going best for us and that is Interstates and Turnpikes. But we need this one and expand 395 east and west to help get goods going to other parts of the State , Country and Canada.
What upper states? Last I looked Maine was about as upper as you can get around here. At least in the U.S. Canada doesn’t buy Maine potatoes. They ship theirs to Boston and N.Y. Blueberries are mostly downeast, yup near Calais, but if you look at “upper” New Hampshire, Vermont, and New York there are not a lot of large cities to ship too. Nor are there any major east/west highways to tie into until you reach route 90 in New York which is quite a bit south of the proposed route.
EEEERP!
Last I looked , Detroit was a fairly large city.
E/W highway knocks nearly 500 miles of that trip from Houlton.
Detroit is a 1000 miles from here. I don’t think that qualifies. Also, I don’t know where your east/west highway begins and ends but the part across Maine would not cut 500 miles off the trip from Houlton. Sorry.
This is a very bad idea for Maine . It basically is a Canadian truck route with gas, electrical, and communication lines thrown in on the side. Ask them how many exits, and they will say we are not sure,…ask them how much the tolls will be, and you hear silence…ask them how much revenue Maine will get…NOTHING ! Think about how an oil spill could effect the pristine Maine environment…that means fishing, camping , hiking, hunting, and snowmobiling. Just think about it !
How many oil spills are there on I-95 and I-295? Exits will be as needed. Just like current highways. Who cares how much the State will get? Business (and people) don’t exist to pay taxes.
Then business people shouldn’t ask for handouts from taxpayers’ money if they don’t exist to pay taxes. People don’t exist to pay taxes, either, but we do and our infrastructure used by business was paid for by people paying taxes.
What about the gas tax is that nothing ? an sale tax on other stuff they buy an meal taxs too
What do you want to bet Irving Oil will supply the fuel ?..OK, we get some pennies on the dollar..Yay!
MOOOONBAT!
I don’t know… On a private road it doesn’t seem too bizarre for one company to be given exclusive rights to operate in the private service areas.
I think you find the study/report will open it up to other fuel suppliers, and fast food or resturant chains. This road will be just like the Maine Turnpike/I-95 is now in Southern Maine though privately run road.
Wolly they want you to believe they won’t get any taxes. You have to report taxes anywhere the truckers or anyone driving a school bus gets fuel (dad and grandfather both were truckers) you have to keep records/logs & reciepts on it. The same with meal taxes the resturant reports that. We have too much scare tactics going on here in Maine first it was LNG terminals, Nuclear Power Plants, Hydro plants. Then Casinos/Racinos got the lies and scare tactics. Now its building this road and expanding I-395 that is getting lies and other BS from folks who would rather us continue the Welfare State and head into the dark ages.
Yes you are right you know that an i know that Maine will make money off the highway. But as you an i know if they are not whining about one thing they are whining about something else . Like people in here have said a job is a job unless they can prove other wise ?
I agree they always whine about everything just to get on the tv. It’s this road, I-395 expansion and now having Slot Machines in Bingo halls except the tribal bingo halls, is what the Anti-Folks are being whiners about. They don’t want to improve the quality of life for Mainers. They want to find things to scare the people over claiming its bad for us when in reality it will be good for all Mainers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zy23pvkobU
If an oil truck has an accident and losses his load on the logging roads I wonder if there is any environmental problems.
The private route makes no sense. A quicker connection to Canada?
The other route makes more sense. It would give quicker access to NH, VT, and upstate NY. You can take 87 or 91 to get to Canada. A interstate to connect to them would make the trip much quicker.
Will it by pass towns or would it go thru towns an look at the cost too ?
Seems like the route would create a bunch of long-term jobs plowing snow and pumping gas…..but how many jobs would be lost along route 9 when it becomes obsolete? There would need to be some pretty strong positives for this to be worth all the negatives that come with it…not to mention all the people that would loose their property as this thing rolls through. Sure it’s a win-win for Canada and Cianbro, but I don’t see those positives yet for Maine.
Good points. Honestly though, I wonder if a dozen snow plowing and minimum wage jobs pumping gas is worth even the $300k invested by Maine never mind the horror of taking land by eminent domain for a private investment group.
We are still, after all this time, just guessing at the route..and that is a breach of faith from DOT..They need to come out from behind the curtain and answer our questions and make some commitments to “we the people”.
They have to stop letting Vigue be the point man and answer our questions directly. We the people need our own separate track with DOT on this.
Some enterprising locals over laid Vigue’s blue line onto a state highway map. That overlay shows it running about 10 miles north of 2 and 9 and was further described by a BDN letter to the editor yesterday or Sunday by a bill sponsor saying the plan was now to use logging roads and other existing right of ways.
That would most likely result in 100% diversion from existing route 2 and 9 traffic and the associated seasonal buiness that comes from that ( better I guess than totally wiping out routes 2 and 9 which seemed to be the original plan)
I think “we the people” should boycott Vigue on this and make DOT step out and speak up and be accountable to us. We should refuse to speak to anyone but DOT on this. They hold the public trust, not Vigue.
DOT should be out on the road with this project and if they are not committed to it why did they agree to do a $300,000 study? Why did they co-author the “secret’ highway privatization bill with Cianbro, Fuentes et al.?Why did our DOT Comissioner join Vigue at the St.Stephens, Canada victory party for the $300,000 commitment. DOT is clearly “in the bag” on this.
We need to be talking to DOT, not Vigue.
I have no problems with what you do down on the coast in your home town area.
Why do you presume that you have a right to interfere in what North Maine does?
Burp!
I speak for good government, transparency, ending corporate control of our electoral process and our legislative process…
there are no geographic boundaries on that
if we really believe in democracy we all have to stand up for that and work for that..even if we might have very different opinions on the same set of facts
I speak for our right as citizens to have the facts.
Good luck never going to happen even Obama has his corporate buddies helping him out.
sad but true…
but I do believe “we the people” can change all that
As I said above wait till the study comes out even Doug Thomas who is one of the senators in my county Somerset . I think he will be surprised at the final product as well, but it will benefit his district he serves in. I think the misinformation once the study is final will be that all hot air. The Enviros and Liberals they always have to find something to complain over it was LNG, Casinos/Racinos, Poland Spring plants, Highways, I-95 widening. They can’t take 1 day off without having something to whine over.
Everybody is always whining about the big trucks running the local roads.
So now we have a proposal to get them off them and they are whining again.
I’m in favor of such an East-West highway crossing the State of Maine from the Canadian Maritimes to Quebec, however if the main selling point is to be the economic growth of our poorest and most depressed areas, I would respectfully argue that the proposed route that would have the greatest positive impact would be a route beginning in Vanceboro thru Lincoln, connecting to I-95, then running from Lagrange due west to Dover- Foxcroft an then west to the Forks and into Canada.
The original highway route is so much better on the whole.
It’s important to note that all of those previous studies concluded that constructing a highway would not increase tourism, or be helpful for local business. It was not just that it was unaffordable that this failed in the past.
Think about what has happened to the Maine economy over the past 20 years. This is not only about protecting the environment, which is of course important. It’s also about what is best for Maine’s people into the future. Manufacturing, mills, so many value added products left the state as a result of globalization. Places like China provided cheaper labor and cheaper materials. We lost the foundation of our good jobs. Then in that economic vulnerability, developers moved in to take advantage of cheap land prices, and people needing work that were willing to turn to the service economy even though those are dead end, thankless jobs. People who’d lived along the coast for generations could hardly afford to live there anymore. All a result of globalization. So now you have Vigue, Thomas, a number of other proponents that are trying to tell you that more globalization will make the economy in Maine stronger? Absolutely not. It will further exploit us, just as it has for the past 20-30 years. Now we are more vulnerable than ever.
It is time that we demand support for our local communities, our local businesses, for people who live here and pay taxes here and want our children to live here. Sure, there are some large businesses in Maine that could benefit from cheaper shipping to the Midwest, but that is certainly not the majority. Most of us are small business people, who want to sell to our neighbors, and maybe around the state. The reason we have a hard time supporting each other is because our money is being sucked out by globalized companies like CMP, Walmart, HomeDepot, Irving, Plum Creek, Waste Management, Nestle, DunkinDonuts, to name a few. Again, we are being told that we need more of this? No way. Roads are dinosaurs, we’re running out of fossil fuels. Globalization benefits a few very wealthy people at the expense of the rest. Not to mention, one of the biggest expenses is our rights, our ability to have a voice.Private funding and a privately owned supercorridor cutting through the heart of Maine does not allow any input from local people. Nobody along that road or in Maine will be able to control how much the tolls cost, what kind of pipelines, transmission lines, etc. also get routed along the corridor that will break down someday, how international security is handled, or how to mitigate environmental damage from construction and ongoing. Don’t be fooled, we won’t be able to control how many interchanges there are, or what the exact route will be. First Vigue could only mention 2 interchanges in Maine, the other day he said 6. It doesn’t matter, this project is a huge job for Cianbro, and a great investment for Wall Street suits that want to profit off of Canadian transport trucks, and use fees for pipelines, etc. They will take your land by eminent domain because they will say it’s for the “public good,” even though there is nothing good about this for 99% of Mainers. Also, what kind of communities do you see from tollways? Especially private, limited access tollways? When I leave Maine, I see chain stores. The same chain stores and gas stations all across the country. They provide terrible jobs where they drug test and make sure you don’t have visible tattoos, they steal business from local restaurants and local stores, they funnel money into a few fat pockets. The east west super corridor is a terrible idea. And no, I’m not a liberal or a conservative, and I don’t support Quimby. I care about what makes sense to me and I hate to see us being divided and conquered by these people in power who love to keep us distracted from what we need by fighting amongst each other. Thanks.
“It’s not just for the Canadians. Maine’s largest industry is tourism,” Vigue noted.
All of a sudden now he’s talking tourism. This is the same guy who at this same time is planning to construct a gawd awful grid scale wind turbine project that would overshadow East Grand Lake that would have a terrible negative affect on the tourism business that surrounds the watershed. It’s been proven that outdoor tourism folks don’t want to look at 45 story tall turbines when they’re trying to recreate in a area known for it’s scenic beautyand semi-wilderness character. Think how this will effect the lodges, sporting camps, and guides who make their living in this area.
This man constantly speaks out of both sides of his mouth.
I think living in an area that generates wind powered electricity would speak nicely to people that most likely don’t get to relish in such synergies as living off the beautiful land and living on it.
Whats your alternative? Keep paying for the transportation of electricity from Canada?
Major conservation of electricity would eliminate the need for more power facilities, along with using passive solar (windows along South sides of houses and public buildings, hang clothes out rather than using dryer, shut off lights during the day, eliminate unnecessary street lights, etc.).
Turning off those moving lights on buildings in big cities would provide enough electricity for entire states (including Maine), and that alone would eliminate the need for more power sources.
like not useing a computer- oh that’s what you are doing- give me a break- all electric cars – a scam
No, you’re right. We should continue to spoil our natural landscapes and the tourism business that accompanies it so that we can produce a small amount of energy at ridiculously high costs so we can transmit it to Massachusetts and beyond. Give me a break.
We already produce more than twice the amount of power that we consume in this state. The other half goes to the ISO New England power grid. And we’re also Number 1 in the country in terms of what % of our power portfolio comes from renewables, here’s a study that was just released:
http://finchannel.com/news_flash/Oil_%26_Auto/107080_Shares_of_electricity_generation_from_renewable_energy_sources_up_in_many_states/
So tell me again why we need more wind power industrialization of our pristene landscapes?
The tourism business is pretty good at spoiling natural landscapes itself…. Just sayin’.
I doubt many Canadian tourists are moving east-west. If anything they are coming from Quebec southward to the coast. This road wont do anything for them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zy23pvkobU
So basically you suggest that we keep northern/eastern Maine the economic rathole it is now for all eternity? Have you not noticed that our children don’t stay here? I haven’t seen any other alternatives proposed that would give economic hope to northern Maine. Rail transportation wouldn’t spur any development. If you don’t adapt to the changing economy we’ll just have the continuous migration of young people to anywhere but here. The more northern route is the way to go. The irony is people in aroostook county won’t see it as a “northern” route.
This highway will bring nothing to Maine citizens and everything to Vigue. Oh maybe a few construction jobs for a year or so, but that’s it. Meanwhile land will be taken by eminent domain, ruining peoples lives so Vigue and his friends can make a few more bucks. This highway will only have 6 on/off ramp locations. Let’s see, one at Calias, one at route 95, and one at Coburn Gore. That leaves 3 for the rest of that 220 miles. How is that going to help Mainer’s? Are 3 access ramps over 220 miles going to help tourism? I think not. As soon as I read that $300,000 was being spent on a study I knew this whole thing smelled of dung. Imagine that, $300k. Heck, you couldn’t study 2 rats in a cage for that much money never mind a 200+ mile highway.
This highway will spur economic growth, just as expanding I-395 into Eastern Maine and West in the Central and Western Maine would help growth for those areas needing economic growth. The misinformation by the left is laughable they are using false claims like this highway will have no fuel stations, no rest areas, bathrooms, exits etc.. The lefties are angry that the park his hit the dead end and is going nowhere they Dems are banking on Gay Marriage and this park to be our saviors LOL. I find the hypocrisy that they are for jobs and infrastructure but anything that is proposed is shot down and is a non-starter for them. Now all of a sudden they want a bond to go back to blowing it on Pet Projects and Welfare. The Dems need to do us a favor and just move out of the way because they have shown us for 40 years they aren’t good for anything . Now they are whiners and are blowing hot air like spoiled rich brats because they have lost their control on power. Well it is time to build this highway because most of us here in the 2nd District not only support this highway but also expanding I-395 to other parts of Maine, East and West.
Can’t see how this private route mostly for trucks on their way to and from Canada will provide “economic development” or many “jobs.”
Farming does well in Aroostook County, and it’s a good, healthy, independent livelihood. Eveyone has to eat and food from away is getting more expensive, so going into small farming growing food for local consumption is practically guaranteed to do well.
Yes that is exactly how they want it. You know like it’s 1812 not 2012. Kind of like an Amish community of the north. New infrastructure can only HELP make the economy better. No new infrastructure will only ensure that central Maine will continue to wallow in it’s economic misery. Just the way the “Amish of the north” want it. Is it any wonder Maine ranks so low in economic development over the last 40 years?
It’s too bad that instead of losing all of the young people who want a chance to make a viable living that we didn’t lose more of these extremist’s that only impede ANY progress toward that goal. I would imagine the policies of the state over the last 40 years have exacerbated that problem.
Yes, 2012 is what we want, but as I said above, the rest of the US is doing biotech and Ipads while Maine does newsprint. How exactly, does a road to nowhere through the forest, help turn Maine around anymore than the existing highway to nowhere (I-95 north of Stillwater?)
Around Boston, some of the economically most vital real estate is served not with highways but with light rail, commuter rail, and bus service (the MBTA.)
Therefore I ask, should Maine build rapid transit systems?
Maine’s economic problems aren’t caused by lack of transportation infrastructure but rather by a shortage of a high-tech educational mentality and labor base.
Well you only speak for yourself because the most of us here in the 2nd District disagree with you. Maine is in the mess because of Democrat policies , but Maine people finally woke up and put a stop to it starting with the Democrat Tax Increase Referendums. Your not going to get 1812 because those in Augusta wouldn’t allow it, cities in towns in Maine wouldn’t allow it either. You would have them filing numerous law suits etc.. You also would have the Feds stepping in if the state was to collapse from folks like you wanting it to go back into the dark ages. This highway is going to be built , just as expanding I-395 is going to happen much sooner than later either. Because the folks in DOT support this road and as long as LePage is in office they will be moving foward with these proposals.
I actually am very libertarian and voted for Ron Paul in the primary and will do so in November. That said, I don’t think that Republican or Democratic ideas have much to do with how well a state succeeds economically. There are some very Democratic states that do quite well despite their loathsome Democratic ideas……NY and MA come right to mind. Ditto the Bay Area of CA….home to Google, Intel, Apple, etc., etc.
That said, there are some very Republican areas that have done quite well too…. NC and TX come right to mind as well.
Maine suffers because it is an economic backwater of yesterday’s economic ideas and yesterday’s products.
My brother lives in Bend, Oregon. Ever been there? Let me tell you, Bend is out in the middle of nowhere on the edge of the High Desert. Yeah, they say it has mountains and forests nearby….Three Sisters Wilderness, etc. Big deal. You *have* to drive over a mountain pass to get to the coast or 6 hours of the blandest desert north of Nevada to get anywhere else, and those mountain passes are not easily driven most of the winter. There isn’t an interstate for 100 miles or more near Bend (it’s over Santium Pass.) Portland is a 4 hour drive away over non-interstates and mountain passes…. much more during the winter. Bend and a good deal of the rest of Oregon, dominated by Portland as it is, is despairingly Democratic too.
But you know what? Bend is BOOMING because it became a chic place to live for younger, up and coming folk with all kinds of new economic products and services. My brother is director of an online marketing firm. His wife is a content manager for Yahoo Finance. He and his wife moved to Bend from the previously mentioned Bay Area of California. There is much banking, financial, medical, high tech, and yes even farming and ranching all over the area….this despite really lousy access to the outside world via roads. There is a Santa Fe RR line running through the area, but heck, Maine has rail too. Oh yeah, and Bend is *cold* too…colder than most of Maine I dare say, ‘cepting The County and the timber land areas, but yet it’s one of the fastest growing areas of the country.
I am originally from Away (please, no attacks – you’ll prove my next point), and one thing I can say is how often friends and family ask about how bad Maine, especially northern Maine is, welcoming new people and new economic ideas. It happened again just this past weekend, visiting family for Easter The reputation Maine has with the outside world, especially with the *economic* world out in the rest of the US, is one of being an uneducated, unwelcoming place. One of Maine’s biggest problems is that it is totally cold to the idea of welcoming investment and people with energy and ideas from places such as the Bay Area. Yes, I know, the very thought of taking in people from such busy, urban, areas *horrifies* much of Maine, and therein lies the biggest problem. When The County, Bangor, and so on develops a good reputation as an area that is as accepting and welcoming of transplants as Bend, Oregon along with the rest of Deschutes County has, *then* Maine will be going somewhere.
A highway from Canada, to Canada, in and of itself isn’t going to change any of this by a long shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zy23pvkobU
Let me tell you how it really is since you are so far off base with your ridiculous assertions. Maine is one of the highest taxed states (higher than Oregon’s) with a very liberal welfare system. It also has very high energy cost. We have one main road from the only state we border on. Oregon borders 4 states. Our transportation infrastructure is just one problem that hinders development. Businesses won’t locate here because of the higher cost. Your assertions about the people of Maine taking in outsiders as “horrifying” is just plain stupid. Maine is loaded with “outsiders” here mostly as part time residents.
I disagree. Most of my friends and acquaintances are unhappy with the results of our last vote. We wanted a skilled business man and instead got a bully bigot totalitarianist. We wanted change and got a party of amateurs arguing among themselves. The Republicans control everything. The Democrats are irrelevant. Change was possible, but instead we argued about murals and theoretical welfare cheats.
I plan to exercise my right to change my mind come next election. I shall vote against all incumbents. I also would not be surprised if Washington County kicked out ALL the current office holders.
Maine is sinking because it makes newsprint and wooden toothpicks when the rest of the world south of us is designing, making, and/or buying iPads and doing biotech. And you know what? A new road from one part of Canada to another won’t change that one bit, anymore than I-95 has.
I95 certainly has changed that. Portland is much more of a tech and financial center since the I95/I295 highway was built. Southern Maine in general benefited greatly from those roads. The fact that Bangor/Bar Harbor region has as much tourism as it does is due at least in part to I95. Also, communities such as Waterville, Newport to name a couple have benefited from the Interstate as well. To say that it’s impossible for any economic development to be established by this proposed highway is simply wrong, and usually fueled by an agenda.
No. With all due respect, Before I-95 was built, Portland and Bangor/Bar Harbor had the growth coming to them just the same as they were and are areas that had reached a certain level of diverse, educated, economic critical mass. They have been growing in population both before and after 95 was built, all while the areas north of Bangor, but also with I-95 access, languished.
Given the reality of the state landscape, I think it is fair to compare this new road to the *northern* stretch of 95, i.e. a road through the forest, rather than a road through an already populated, fairly economically diverse area such as southern Maine.
Then too, 95 works down south as it is something of a commuter road into New Hampshire and even Boston’s North Shore. Nobody in great number will be using this new road to commute to any economic, population center.
very well spoke …thank you
Well said!
Thanks so much for your thoughts, future is local – right on target!
As to “jobs” – that’s always the promise that rarely becomes a long-term reality.
For a real livelihood, people might consider farming – or at least growing a large food garden with enough to sell – since everyone has to eat and food prices are going up and up, mostly due to the cost of transportation (oil).
Another point on this private highway; it would allow even more out-of-state garbage to come into Maine, since our state government seems so open to letting big garbage collectors bring their filth in here to dump in our woods and waters.
A highway that goes to New York State? Oh, great! What next, a nuclear waste dump?
Maine is not an island, treating it like one will only prolong the inevitable. If you don’t change with the world, the world leaves you behind. Putting up your blinders, or pretending that economic changes don’t effect you or the people that live in the communities you belong to is ignorant. I understand this may be insulting, but while a good portion of what you say is true, you don’t seem to understand that you’ve not only failed to grasp the concept of global economics but you’ve also contradicted yourself using global economic arguments to argue against global economics.
When things move backwards it is because something has failed. Global economics has been around far longer than I think many Mainers would like to admit. Good paying logging jobs were paid by the global economy. Maine failed to keep with the global market and therefore the local economy collapsed. It was the global economy that sustained Maine’s logging industry for over a century. When competition to this logging industry surfaced Maine businesses couldn’t compete in the existing environments. Political and cultural environments were extremely prejudice towards change which not only helped facilitate local economic collapse but also prevented adjustments necessary to sustain the failing local markets.
I have to disagree with you on environment though. The forestry industry was much more harmful to the northern woods then this high way will be. In a lot of ways this should actually help reduce the use of fossil fuels and air pollution by allowing trucks to be more fuel efficient, reduce travel through populated areas, and reduce road wear, tear, and repair.
People could shut down all the big box stores in this country if we all bought goods from local retailers, suppliers, manufacturers. But the same reason that workers and businesses demanded and sustained higher wages and higher profits is the same reason they wanted lower priced goods and cheaper labor. It’s a double edged sword.
If you want change in this state that’s going to help people, you need to start changing the culture. But you have to ask yourself what culture do you want to see, and what cultural changes are feasible with the existing culture and population. Do we move away from the rural mentality and relocate in more centralized population centers? Do we maintain or discourage or encourage state aid and public assistance? Do we discourage imported goods from other states and countries and become more self sufficient? Can you force that onto people? Will people resent this? How can you encourage that when so many already depend, or demand, a large amount of imported services and goods?
You say roads are dinosaurs and fossil fuels are depleting, we live in a largely rural state – especially where this high way is going – how will people get around? And we don’t just use fossil fuels for driving, we use it to heat our homes and businesses, we use it to maintain our businesses (farms, fishing, trucking, and other industries). There are also plenty of other depleting resources such as phosphorus for our gardens and farms, what are we doing about these?
We certainly disagree on the importance of this capital venture that Mr. Vigue is exploring. I see it as an opportunity to save the small businesses we can and help develop new ones. The only other option I see is one to let them all die a slow and painful death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zy23pvkobU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zy23pvkobU
Do you happen to know Future isLocal how the blue line that is the Vigue route of the E/W highway lines up with JD Irving Holdings in The East and Plum creek Holdings in the West? I am trying to reconcile the local senator’s claim that all the landholders along the route have already signed off and support the project. It would make sense that JD Irving and Plum Creek would be co investors.
Does JD Irving own the Stud Mill Rd?
And the utility corridor Vigue has referred to many times..I am thinking Canadian Tar Sands Pipeline..perhaps just to Bangor where a section of Portland to Bangor pipeline was just acquired by a Houston Company . On April 3rd it was announced that the Candian effort to get a reverse flow on the Montreal South Portland pipeline ( for tar sands) was denied.
This makes all the pieces fit for me for a totally private ( not under the privatization statute) highway requiring no public funding. Maine has no hazardous materials pipeline laws ..it falls through to the FEDS OPS ( Office of Pipeline Safety) So if DOT can overide LURC for a totally private road ( arguing it is in the public interest), they would be all set for a utility corridor that includes a tar sands pipeline.
This project is SO long overdue. I like both proposals but prefer the more southerly one. Sen. Thomas is exactly right when he says “I hope that after decades of layoffs and business closings that this is the beginning of a more prosperous Maine.”. Yeah, me too. It’s unlikely though. The enviro-nuts are already out in force poo-pooing this project with their scare tactics and other hyperbole.
You see NOTHING ever gets done anymore in this state (or country for that matter) without a 2 or 3 decade fight. If these people had their way, I95 would have never penetrated Kittery and we’d all be riding in horse and buggy. At least then they could shovel actual manure instead of their continued proverbial type.
Please list the positive effects this proposed private toll road would have for Maine people. Just askin’
Too dang many envirotards in this state.
Too many envirotards in this country.
(Honey, I’m out of ice. Could you bring me some?)
Just look at all the great Economic growth, Business, new gas stations, restaurants alone I-95 north of Stillwater. It is almost completely dead. When I arrived in 1964 there were all kinds of Business and Restaurants along the old route, some then moved to the I-95 corridor above Stillwater, but more than 80% have disappeared. There is less traffic on I-95 north of Stillwater than the 1ST few years and if the truth be known, there is even less tourism, no matter how you adjust the figures.
There even has been discussions on closing the Tourist rest stop at Houlton (I have not checked lately on status), but if tourism was so great, why is the State interested in closing the stop.
Maine cannot maintain the roads it now has, and even with tolls like the Maine Turnpike, sooner or later the tax payer will have to ante up addition funds. You can best bet, the Investors are not going to lose anything in the long run.
Look at the $ put into the Airline over the last 20 years, and how has business and tourism grown? It hasn’t for those along the highway. In fact almost all the businesses are now gone . Before the improvements there were a lot of Businesses along the way that I have stopped and enjoyed…with one or two exceptions, they are now all gone.
It has been great for the Canadians coming to Bangor, OOB and South in the Winter, but has not improved business life along the way.
If this was such a great Idea, Mr Vique, your investors would ante up the $300,000 without batting an eyelash.
My observations and experience has been driving the Maine roads extensively since 1964, and with the exception of Southern Maine, Business and Tourism has been dying a slow death on all the IMPROVED ROADS of Northern, Western and Downeast Maine.
Well said, Thank You.
I agree with your statement in general but, to be fair, you left out a bit. The improved route 9 as well as 95 has brought business to Bangor, if not the businesses in-between.
Yes, exactly. Most benefit is for the ends, not the in-betweens. Where are the ends? Canada.
Yawn.
Why not enhance route 7/ 23/16 (Newport to Jackman)? Seems like that would be a more natural central axis for the East/West Route and could utilize a large part of the existing infrastructure. Probably want to bypass Dexter/Guilford/Greenville, but still would be a lot less than blazing a complete new trail through No.Central Maine. This plan has little direct benefit to the Maine people….looks like they’re planning a gas pipeline along with their trucking route. Much better to invest in getting RR service up to Newport/Greenville and Bangor and encourage both freight and tourism that’s cost efficient and environmentally friendly.
I DO NOT WANT THAT ROAD ANYWHERE NEAR JACKMAN!!!
Forget this idea! the highway runs straight through the the town of West Forks, right by Moxie Falls and where I go camping. I sure don’t want some noisy 4 lane highway where i go camping!….. This won’t do anything for Maine anyways, it’s just gonna put lute in the Canadians , Cianbro’s, and Lepage’s pocket . Why do they keep on trying to destroy the North Woods, this is a place I enjoy along with everybody else .
I am with you 100%, but I can tell you that the State of Maine would care less about our way of life up here if they want the highway. They have ruined the bird hunting because of a three month season, and now they are giving out way to many Moose permits. We rely on Moose hunting, and viewing, but the viewing part will be in the history books because of our greedy State.
I’m with you two. Why is Maine suddenly under assault by opportunists? Every time we turn around someone has an idea about what to do with all these great north woods. I thought the sportsmen wanted to leave it pristine so they can keep their hunting/fishing/snowmobiling traditions alive? A road right through it would be noisy, polluting and change the character of the woods forever. Is this really what we want? There are rail beds there already. Why not reclaim them?
Ben there is no plan but a study will be performed with recommendations. Scrape a couple of billion together and do it yourself.
Ben and all the rest of us are the “we the people” to whom Le Page & DOT owe a duty, a public trust. Allowing some guy to walk in and say where a road should go is nonsense even if he were going to finance every nickel out of his own pocket. Already the publiic pocket has been tapped ( again, this is the sceonnd round of costly expert studies on Vigue’s wacky plan) for $300,000 for a study that our highway privatization statute says is a “proposer” obligation.
Our money
Our road
Our study
We are owed answers to all our questions by the DOT
That’s right Ben and of late we have lost track of the planned “utility corridor” which was referred to early on. but why would they need that when they already have the natural gas pipeline?
And you are right all state highways should be located to best serve Maine? Is this really the most sensible choice for a road if the goal is to benefit northern Maine? I certainly don’t think it is wise public policy to allow a private interest to determine the location or configuration of any of the state’s highway infrastructure and yet that seems to be exactly what is going on. It is just bizarre.
These environmentalists need to get out of the Stone Age!
Please list for us why you think this is a good idea – I mean specific ways you think it will benefit regular Maine people……..just askin’
1. Jobs will be created in Central Maine for this work.
2. Support businesses will be created to support the increased traffic through this region.
3. It will cut transportation costs of the food and other supplies shipped to the Central U.S.
4. It will enable tourists from Canada and Northern Maine to have easier access to the Maine coastal areas.
5. It will cut down on overall emissions in the Northeast, as trucks won’t have to travel all the way over the tip of Maine to reach Quebec.
This is what I could come up with in about 30 seconds. I’m sure that there would be many more benefits if I had more time to consider it.
Privately owned, for-profit BOONDOGGLE!!!!
By definition you can’t have a profitable boondoggle.
This definately won’t be profitable or of any benefit to the people of Maine except Vigue, Cianchette and Irving’s family, therefore the BOONDOGGLE name fits. Next will be a push to give them the northen half of Maine that the proposed highway seperates from the rest.
I’m confused, first we put up a “Belin Wall” with Canada, Then Maine politicans bought a crippled rail lines, pretty much using , “transporting product and tourists” as a reason and now want a multi billion dollar road with Canada being the leading reason and tourism and product transport as a 2nd and third reasons.
If the lady from Ma. whose new husband died while kyaking files a lawsuit, people aren’t going to rent out their summer homes and camps which will kill at least half of the already much reduced tourism.
We do not need this highway of death. The road would be an animal killing field. This is not a good thing for anyone except the Canadians. We have an east west rail road track, I think the Canadians should expand on that. We don’t need another highway in Moose country.
The same was said about 95 too .
Guess what, we needed 95, and we don’t need this highway.
Don’t trains kill moose?
Errp!
Yes they do, but no person gets killed, and the tracks have been there for around 100 years, so the Moose get around. I liked you by accident.
This is all about lining Lepages pockets with tax payer money. Nothing new here.
Keep blaming LePage for everything. Your annointed leader in Washington has made a living off of doing that for the past 4 years – if you’re incapable of doing anything yourself, just balme those before you or around you.
If all you have to add is racial remarks, take them to asmainegoes.
You worry about using fossil fuels. You can’t stand windmills. If you want to live in a place with no energy, no roads, and no corporations, I suggest you try Afganistan.
Wrong. We have built the Afghans plenty of nice new roads.
http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/us-built-roads-in-afghanistan-lead-to-nowhere/39659782-3EE1-4E58-A5B6-5190B2DA1992
They just don’t go anywhere like this one.
“If you want to live in a place with no energy, …”
Maine already creates more than twice the energy we use – the rest gets shipped off to the New England power grid to be consumed in Mass. and beyond, so what’s your point?
Why don’t you do a little reading/research on the subject so you don’t sound so totally uninformed on here.
Let Cianbro put up the $300000 for the unethical road to no where. After all Cainbro will be the only benefactor of the whole project. The state can’t afford to maintain the roads we have now. Do these private investors also want to pay to maintain and plow this road?
Too late.
If you had taken the time to read the bill; it is written in that the ‘contractor.operator will pay the State back from the tolls generated. It’s a loan.
It is a “loan” with stipulations:
They do not have to repay the study money if the study says the road is not a good idea (which the last three studies have said)
They do not have to pay back the money if the road is not completed (for any reason) They do not have to pay back the money until the road is completed (est date 1919)
There is no provision for them to pay interest on this “loan.”
I agree, but it is the first time, Republicans, Cianbro and Peter Vigue have been involved. That speaks volumes. Are you even aware of how big and successful this employee owned company is?
They have been recognized as a national leader in employee health:
http://www.omcwellness.com/pdfs/cianbrostory.pdf
Take some time to educate yourself on where a band of brothers from Pittsfield took a contracting company:
http://www.cianbro.com/
Founded In 1949
100% Employee-Owned
Open Shop With Over 4,000 Multi-Skilled
Team Members
Operations in 42 States
Ability To Self-Perform; Civil, Structural, Mechanical, Electrical, Instrumentation
Construction Engineering Group
Top 100 U.S. Equipment Owner
Fabrication & Coating, Deep Water Marine, and Modular Manufacturing Facilities
I just find it amazing that they did this all without the help of unions.
Well said! I think they forgot that Cianbro employ’s a lot of people from Maine. This is a great company and it does a lot for it’s workers.
If their that big an outfit it wouldn’t have hurt them to pay for it.
Yes, I agree. Cianbro is a very large non-union scab outfit whose pay scale is way below that of the unions, and Vigue and others at the top are making huge paychecks and bonuses off the backs of it’s employees. I’m sure that’s what you meant when you said “open shop” isn’t it?
I think what i said was that each individual employee is a stock holder and the incentive to work at peak performance is rewarded by dividends. This is a huge difference from SEIU driven business where the shops are screwing all involved.
bingo!!!
And that is what will bring this road in and its maintenance below a normal public job and create room for profit. In our privatization statute, written by Cianbro and other contractors, there are no fair wage protections, no utilization of small contractors requirements. There are no guarantees that any local businesses will get any of the plowing and maintenance work..in fact with such a huge amount of work “privatized” for 50 years..what will the impacts be on smaller companies?
This whole set up is the worst of the worst of banana republic privatization .
It’s a wonderful company and they should stick to what they do best..which is not planning Maine’s highway infrastructure or making claims about what will aid tourism and Maine’s businesses.
…and you are saying all this gives them a license to steal from other workers?
So it is structured as a loan for political propaganda reasons, then, I must guess.
imwonderingwhy
Under Maine’s Highway Privatization Statute, written by Cianbro and other contractors and passed as an “emergency measure” in 2010 with no public comment or public hearings, the “operator” in effect owns the road for 50 years..they have complete control of the design, construction, all maintenance for 50 years and get all the tolls. ( see the law yourself Title 23 Section 4251). They are guaranteed a certain profit level ( which is why private investors are interestsed at all) and raise the tolls at will to maintain that profit level.
Are you wondering why we should let that law stand?
I am all for repealing it, a.s.ap. and that would pretty much end this chapter of the endless East West Highway Saga.
My prediction is that all the viros will be out in force against this because it would help the North Maine economy.
That runs counter to what they have in mind for that part of the state.
What they have in mind is a total war on the economy of North Maine in the almighty name of preservationism.
BUUUUURP !
I am wondering how that departure from the federally approved route figures into the so called “emergency” passage of the high way privatization bill in 2010.
That was ostensibly ” to preserve Maine’s elegibility for important federal highway funds”.
You mean that was for a different highway? ( different route) .
That highway privatization bill, ( now title 23 section 4251) having been a emergency of such great importance in 2010 that there was no time for public notice or public comment, two years later has no implementing regulations. According to DOT officials, Peter Vigue/Cianbro is not an “applicant” or “proposer” under that statute. ( what????..Didn’t Vigue say at the St. Stephen’s celebration..”we have the statute in place”???)
So does that mean Vigue’s new route is not eligible for TIFIA bonds ( Federal Bonds for privatized highway projects)?
If that is so I see no way this project is “bankable” based on the several earlier expert studies on financial feasibility. Except of course by Canadian special interests? Like Tar Sands.
I think it is time for the DOT, to be a little more forthcoming with details that matter to Mainers. Vigue’s powerpoint presentaion with its big arrows pointing to Calais as the trade gateway to the region is wearing thin on every one.
It’s time for facts and truth.
Where exactly are you planning to run this road? How many exists and where? How do those exists foster Maine business growth??? What commitment to private passgenger autos and especially local users on fares? What about commitment to fair wages and maximum opportunity for small business particpation.? Under privatization the owner/operator has complete control over all that and our privatization bill, in contrast to others, doesn’t address that at all.
As written this law, which Cianbro and other contractors drafted with guidance from DOT there is no opportunity for public hearings or public review and there is no protection for the public interest on issues like these and more.
Time for truth…from DOT
We might as well construct new highways all over Maine so that when these ugly wind turbines finally ruin our tourism, we’ll be able drive out to these areas and see what happened.
Big corporations today are not just people, they’re like British lords of old, and we are the peasants. Maybe if we ask nicely, hats in hand, Cianbro will let us use their road.
But in fact Nelson, we the people can take this back ..this cannot happen with out our consent. If we don’t want it we can stop it dead in its tracks.
We do that by ignoring Vigue and his silly power point presentation and focusing on the public agencies who are accountable to us, especially the DOT, and by focusing on our legislators and on our Governor.
We have rolled back lots of corporate driven initiatives in the past few months..we can roll this back too.
We can stop it dead in its tracks.
This road only works if the rest of the Northeast make an east west highway as well. At this time the only real east west highway is I-90 in Massachusetts. We do need a good corridor. One from Canada is not enough. If the original was used, we would still need NH and VT to bring the highway through their states as well. Then Bangor could become a true city. As well as make some of the other areas of Maine more accessible.
I got a heck of an idea. Lets have Obama bring back the CCC and tell everyone on welfare if you want to recieve you must do 100 hours of work a month. We could have the state workers oversee the work. Lets put Maine back to work!
What a great idea! Wouldn’t that go over well with all the people on welfare! LOL
One of the greatest barriers to a vibrant Maine economy is and has always been distribution logistics. As the end of the line for the existing highway system, we pay more for products we buy from outside the state and we cannot compete with the products we make. By opening Maine’s highways we create new markets by virtue of reducing transportation costs and delivery times.
As with any highway, environmental impacts can be minimized and often abated through a robust planning process. This is single-handedly the most potentially beneficial project we are likely to see in our lifetimes. This would be a boon to both tourism and manufacturing, and even improve logistics for the natural resource economy we depend on so heavily.
As to which route would produce the most benefits, that will be the subject of the early phase studies. The potential of linking Maine with a high speed corridor to New Hampshire, the Maritimes and Quebec could be the biggest game changer to our economy in many decades.
As a former economic developer, it is apparent to me that this would create very substantial economic activity for most of the state, both in the construction phase and when finished. If we shirk progress now, our economic future may be forever held back.
We need train service more than a highway that would benefit Canada
much more than Maine
It would be very nice to see more trains in this nation, especially the high speed passenger type trains.
Yes. And we can use the existing railroad between Montreal and St. John that is parallel to the proposed road.
Up and over Mt. Katahdin is the only way to go – and then we can get a Scenic Highway grant from the empty Federal bucket. On second thought, let’s fight and argue about all three proposals. It’s what human beings do best. And then if we can’t come to some agreement, then let’s have a war. And after the war is over, let the victors build a monument to this war as has been done in all other American wars.
Well said! I think they forgot that Cianbro employ’s a lot of people from Maine. This is a great company and it does a lot for it’s workers.
any “highway” in Maine should not be privately owned!
It should be owned, operated, and maintained by the state, just like any other road.
The privatization of public industry or assets is a ridiculous and unnecessary cost for the citizens of this state, now and in the future.
Ask yourself this: How much money has been paid to the privately owned Maine Turnpike through the tolls? Tens, maybe hundreds of millions per year.
Is this what we want?
perpetual tolls paid to a private organization to drive in our own state?
Federal Funding : Bad ; Private Funding : Good
So long as you don’t ever intend on getting fair and equitable service from said project.
I’m not paying a penny to Cianbro to drive on Maine roads I paid taxes to build and maintain.
Cianbro should pay a toll to use Maine public highways as part of their toll road scam.
yessah
Why don’t the Canadians improve a piggy-back operation at each end, and use the rail now here. To me it would make more sense without all this, even to improve the rail where it may need it. If you want to be quick, it would take less time to unload and load, a container, than to fill up the truck at a truck stop and have coffee.
The most recent proposal, outlined in green, is definitely for Canadians who want a cut across road which will benefit us little.
Two squiggly lines drawn from Calais to Quebec do little to enhance this long thought dead but mothballed project.
A companion squiggly line just above the proposed Canadian Autobahn would have shown the Canadian railways link between Atlantic Canada and Coburn Gore.
Their significance to Maine – zero.
The Canadian Autobahn is backed by renewed and overblown promises of a revitalized business climate for Maine, based on six exits, snow plowing contracts, road sweeping jobs, and rest room cleaners.
The Canadian railway once offered Mainers a chance for a quick weekend in Quebec from Brownville Junction. That was once upon a time.
With this over publicized – “Please bury and forget me” – idea, the Canadians, with help from the governor and Peter Vigue, will have carved two ugly trenches across our beautiful state without a damn for anyone’s feelings.
I love Canada and Canadians. But they all appear a bit reckless and a mite stingy, when it comes to playing in their neighbor’s backyard.
For instance:
FDR wanted power for Maine sucked out of the huge Passamaquoddy tides. Between Congress and the Canadians’ worries for fishing – that idea was killed. The Canadians then built the massive Mactaquack Dam just across the border at Fredericton, which siphons energy out of the St. John River. The Canadians didn’t appear too keen on our Quoddy power plan tie-in with the Dickey-Lincoln project in The County. The idea of nuclear power plant near the Canadian border was ripped apart by Canadians. It failed. The Canadians then built Point Lepreau nuclear power plant on the Bay of Fundy. The Canadian government is still fighting three American proposals for Liquid Natural Gas ports in Maine. The Canadians claim sovereignty of the waters through which the ships would pass.
Meanwhile, Canadian gas lines twist and twirl like giant Anacondas across Maine. Bangor Hydro now owned by Canadians, relies on Canadian gas to generate power throughout much of Maine. The J. D. Irving Corporation of Saint John, N.B. is the largest private land owner in the state, with more than two million acres in its portfolio. Most of the acrteage is in Aroostook County, with large chunks of it in Piscataquis and Penobscot counties. Irving wraps itself close to Baxter State Park. Its acreage spreads along the banks of the Allagash and the St. John River.
The Irving company shows little regard for our forests. Clear cutting is the norm in harvesting, along with herbicide spraying, ultimately converting forests to fast growing plantations.
The East-West Highway proposal is strictly a fast connection for Canadian commerce and tourists, between New Brunswick and the Province of Quebec. Nothing more. At least, not for Maine.
Not that I am particularly a proponent of the east/west; 40yrs ago it made sense, today…not so much. But I just wanted to interject a little reality into the conversation. The price of the federally proposed link is considered far too costly an investment at 2 plus billion. Now I know that is a big number to wrap your head around, but here is a neat little breakdown for you. That is about the same price of one week of our dirtly litte wars in the mid-east. ONE WEEK. Mull that one over with your coffee and donuts this morning.
Kathy, your point is well taken.
Yes, we support wars in the Mid East to keep the supply of oil flowing to the US and the rest of the world, so we can drive trucks and cars over hundreds of miles of highway, through the forests, to nowhere.
With all due respect, maybe instead, we should quit subsidizing the price of oil via the Department of Defense, instead questioning the outrageous cost, as you say.
Then, when the price of diesel rises to $8 or more, reflecting its true cost, this road will be even less necessary.
actually it’s about 1 billion per day.
so really, 2 days of war = a new road for us.
we give trillions of dollars in “foreign aid” to other countries while we struggle and our infrastructure crumbles at home.
time to get the troops back here, stop wasting money on endless wars, foreign aid, and out of control spending.
this nation could be great again if we would just start with charity here first before we send our money elsewhere.
This should be a Canada to Canada road, not a Canada to U.S. (New Hampshire) road. Tell the feds to stick their 2005 study. The only way this thing makes any $$$ is if it makes life easier for Canadians.
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As I said to somebody down thread, Maine is sinking economically because it makes newsprint and wooden toothpicks when the rest of the world south of us is designing, making, and/or buying iPads and doing biotech. And you know what? A new road from one part of Canada to another won’t change that one bit, anymore than I-95 has.
One thing Maine does have going is that it is sharing in the small-farm, local food movement that is taking hold in the US, but even for that, markets for Maine farm goods lie south of us, towards MA, CT, and NY. Northern VT, NH and Quebec won’t buy our farm output all that much as they have their own farms and/or low populations. I-95 suits such farm goods shipments just fine. Even if in our wildest dreams, regional farming *did* make such a big come back, I highly doubt the increased shipment demand would support a whole new highway.
Never mind that thanks to world wide Peak Oil, diesel will be priced in the double digits by the time the new road is opened.
This road is a bust.
If controversy is what you seek, head to Maine, you needn’t speak.
Want agreement? Forget about it! You can’t get theya from heeah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zy23pvkobU
If the man wants to spend his own money building a road, let him. Why does everything have to be the communal responsibility of the taxpayer. There is nothing the government does faster, better or cheaper than the private sector.
I think we should all thank Congressman Mike Michaud. Two years ago when Obama and Uncle Sugar were spreading their stimulus dollars like creamy peanut butter, The east west highway, an I-95 extension to Presque Isle, AND the down town arena could have all been built. Instead, Mike Michaud was asleep in the back benches. Huh? What? Did somebody say something? Just go back to sleep Mike….
The Schools got money for poor kids, the homeless shelters got money, food stamp programs got money, unions got money, banks got money, all the money was waited. I’m with you Michaud should go home and enjoy his million dollar house. We need a Republican for a change.
Bypassing Bangor and turning it into another Dayton, Ohio (which was bypassed far to the north by I-70) is a foolish notion. If this is to benefit Maine hospitality, the route should be through Bangor, not create Breezewood (I-70/I-76 in Penna.) sprawl at a location north of Old Town.
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Using existing I-95 from near Pittsfield to Bangor, and I-395 from Bangor to Eddington (finish it) takes an existing 40+ miles of Interstate highway that’s already built and gets more bang from the buck.
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The West-East corridor already exists. And it’s driveable: From Coburn Gore, follow ME 27, to ME 16 to US 201A to ME 139 to I-95 to Bangor and on ME 9 to Calais. Improve the existing road, or build new parallels as funding allows to that existing route!
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Better yet, since David Bernhardt at Maine DOT has an employee sitting on the AASHTO Special Committee on US Route Numbering…. take that existing route I drew, and get it approved to be signed as US Route 102 from Coburn Gore to Calais. Quebec has Quebec Route #102 available which can bridge from Coburn Gore to Sherbrooke, QC over current Route #212 and so on. New Brunswick could renumber NB 1 as 102, cosign it over NB 2 to Nova Scotia, who could extend NS 102 over 104. That would create a Montreal to Halifax through Maine route, with one consistent number: 102.
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Vigue ignores such proposals because he can’t make mega$ off it through transfers from our state government, financing off future toll revenues, etc.