BANGOR, Maine — A fired U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer has sued the Department of Homeland Security in federal court, alleging that her former male supervisor created a hostile work environment by repeatedly demeaning the role of women outside the home, discussing his conservative Christian views and treating her differently from her male co-workers.
Rebecca Albert Carnot, 33, of Rangeley claimed she was illegally fired in January 2011 after working in the Coburn Gore border crossing station for two years.
A Maine native, she is seeking reinstatement, compensatory damages, lost wages and benefits and legal expenses. Carnot claimed in the lawsuit that her former supervisor said that a woman should not be involved in any capacity in law enforcement and had a duty to obey her husband in accordance with the Bible.
He repeatedly invited Carnot to attend his Protestant church, even though he knew she was a Catholic, the complaint alleged. He also advised Carnot to court but not date because dating involved having sexual intercourse and courting did not, the lawsuit said.
After officers in the Coburn Gore station took part in a marijuana seizure, the supervisor allegedly gave gift card bonuses to all the officers involved except Carnot. She initiated the investigation that led to the drug seizure, according to the complaint.
Carnot was fired while on a preapproved medical leave. The supervisor left a termination packet on her doorstep in violation of her privacy, the complaint alleged.
Carnot’s attorney, Jeffrey Neil Young of Topsham, filed the complaint Thursday against Janet Napolitano, secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which includes Customs and Border Protection, in U.S. District Court in Bangor.
The suit was filed after Carnot received a right-to-sue letter from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
The U.S. attorney’s office in Maine has not yet received a summons in the case, according to Evan Roth, head of the civil division, located in Portland. It is the practice of the U.S. Justice Department not to comment on cases until they have been concluded.
In the complaint, Young alleged that Carnot was discriminated against on the basis of sex, retaliated against for filing a complaint about the discrimination, and subjected to a hostile working environment based on sex and religion.
Carnot no longer works in law enforcement, Young said Tuesday.
I would have thought she could have filed a complaint while working to chronicle this abuse of power? Did she not bring this up to anyone while she was working? I find that odd, if someone where I worked continued to pester me about religion, or my sex life I’d have said something long before being fired.
Hindsight is 20/20!
I can agree w/that, wholeheartedly. Yet, if it was such a problem…… Perhaps she did, but that isn’t portrayed in the article
I meant that about the fired agent! Things never seem to bother someone until they get fired! Then it’s everyone else’s fault! The problem with today’s society, is that no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions!
Now, if he DID do those things, she didn’t report them, well…… to bad. I agree w/taking responsibility for someone actions, but the same goes for the supervisor (if the religion/dating thing is true!) those types of conversations should not be happening in a work place. I would never push my beliefs on anyone and wouldn’t want them pushed onto me either.
I repeat…
It says in the complaint (in the last paragraph of the article) that she was ”
retaliated against for filing a complaint about the discrimination” ~ So she did obviously file a complaint while working.
I was reading the article on my phone – and the phone didn’t load the last part of the story, hence, I didn’t see it until I came online via my computer. Thank you again, for repeating it and telling me that.
I suspect that you, like I, are a male. However, you are out of touch with the reality of what many people are subjected to in the workplace, but do not make formal complaints because they need the job and fear losing it. There is nothing more to lose after they have either been forced from their job or fired, so that is why they are more likely to go public afterward.
Despite whistleblower laws, many people still lose their jobs, so other employees are deterred from exposing workplace wrongs. Despite workplace anti-harrassment and anti-discrimination laws, those illegal behaviors continue to exist and victims who complain are often treated even worse and/or lose their jobs, so they remain silent.
Your comment that, “The problem with today’s society, is that no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions!”, in reference to Ms. Carnot’s complaint is comparable to the attitude of blaming a rape victim for being assaulted.
Here is a description of an ongoing situation that illustrates my prior remarks:
A female relative has worked for several years in a predominantly male workplace. Her
performance evaluations have consistently been excellent and most of her male co-workers and supervisors treat her well. However, there are male employees and a direct supervisor who make her life miserable with everything from sexual comments and innuendos to approving work-related requests for male employees but denying the same to her. My examples are a mere smattering of what she endures. She clearly is a victim of a hostile, discriminatory work environment.
I have encouraged her to make formal complaints and after a recent incident, some male co-workers offered to confirm what they witnessed if she did formally complain. She has rejected my suggestion and the offer by some of her co-workers. Why… because the “old-boy-network” that exists would not end the harrassment, it would likely escalate and her employment would be at risk.
You might ask why she doesn’t quit her job. My response is that she is the victim, why should she be pushed out? There is also another reality of life – it is called earning a living and paying your bills. She lives in an area where jobs of any kind are scarce and employment that has a decent pay scale and health insurance is even rarer.
Perhaps you should educate yourself. Your comments are the result of ignorance, bias, or denial.
Well Said :) Thanks for being a caring human being(which is again not gender but character) and the world needs more attitudes like yours. Best of luck to your relative as I have been there and the “good-ole-boy” is absolute truth. Thankfully when my complaints went unheard I did resign but I had employment lined-up but as you stated so well….bills to pay, family to support and a job market where 500 people are applying for a single job. You are absolutely right she is a victim and also if you have made complaints at work and need a reference those complaints follow you and hinder your employment ability which is sad. Why can’t everyone just worry about their own job and not worry about others. I’ll tell FEAR that she is a better employee than those harassing and instead of them striving to be better they strive to try to break her. Sad isn’t it?
Thank you so much for this well-thought out comment! For everyone on here saying “consevatives don’t hate women”, I would agree – not all conservatives hate women. However, the recent policies and laws enacted by conservative legislators tell a different story. Women’s healthcare is threatened in many states, in Kansas, domestic violence was decriminalized, laws providing equal pay for women have been REPEALED by conservatives, a republican senator in the south compared women being required to carry stillborn babies to his farm animals delivering stillborn calves. I am happy to posts all these links, lest anyone think I am making things up. Please, don’t provide rhetoric you cannot back up. If you care so much about women and their position in society – you should be protecting them, not repealing or enacting laws that limit their rights and treat them as second class citizens.
Hindsight is 20/20!
Tell her to buy a voice activated tape recorder and tape the harassment.
It may not be legal in the state she is in.
Some states allow taping if only one person knows about it but others do not allow a private citizen to tape another without their permission.
And if she had reported them before she was fired, how many people on this board would accuse her of being soft and “not taking it like a man”?
Maybe she didn’t want to be a pest. Maybe she was just happy to have a job. I can see how getting fired would bring that kind of response out of a person. Sounds like someone’s got a case.
It says in the complaint (in the last paragraph of the article) that she was ”
retaliated against for filing a complaint about the discrimination” ~ So she did obviously file a complaint while working.
The article states “retaliated against for filing a complaint about the discrimination” which goes to show me that there was in fact complaints about the behavior.
I was reading it on my phone, and apparently the last 10 lines didn’t load. And so, it would seem she has a case.
To me the headline should read “religious,” not “conservative views. To me it is misleading.
It is misleading but serves the lefts agenda better this way. I am not religious but I am conservative.
But most religious people are conservative in nature but the harrassment was not just on religious grounds. There was harrassment on women in the workforce and dating techniques as well as her chosen religion so the headline was accurate in my opinion.
The majority of religious folks in America do not share this man’s viewpoint.
His views are more consistent with the Taliban than with those of Christians I know.
His views are consistent with the teachings of the bible and what a lot of pastors preach in their churches week after week.
Stop telling lies from the pulpits week .
What?
I didn’t say that. Someone has cracked my account.
Stop telling lies from the pulpit and start paying taxes week would be better.
What church to you attend where you hear that? Just curious?
You never listen to 88.5 or 99.5 during the day? Even though I’m an atheist I do listen to Christian radio because I find it amusing.
You would be mistaken
Yes – a minority of self described “Christians” learn hate and bigotry as pat of their religion.
They are still in the minority.
They are far from the minority but keep thinking they are.
Sounds to me the he has taken the teachings of the Bible to heart. Women in that particular fairytale are second class citizens.
Hair splitting.
Read the things the supervisor was saying to her.
Nutso religious conservatism stuff.
Conservatives are really out of touch with women’s rights and women’s issues or for that matter the modern world post 1940. I’m thinking that if they had their way women would stay in the home making and raising babies and never go outside without wearing a “Burka.” How far back do we want to regress?
Interesting choice of words, especially with the “burka” thing considering it was a conservative president that literally made the decision to free a whole country of women from the grip of the Taliban. More to the point I wonder how you can make any opinion not knowing precisely what the woman was fired for in the first place. A lot of things she “claimed ” you seem to accept as fact pretty easily. Its one thing to be forced to quit for being harassed, its another to get fired.
Oh yes, the old “It was all the victim’s fault” ploy. That one never gets old, huh. I’m willing to bet you that when this is all ironed out Rebecca Albert Carnot will be vindicated and her supervisor will be the one either being fired or “Demoted.” He looks due to be receiving some “Instant Karma.” Yes it’s very interesting that American conservatives seem to want many of the same things that the Muslims they say they despise have always had. Must be some kind of conservative religious/sexual dominance kind of envy. There simply isn’t any way for those of us living in the modern age to truly understand the real meanings of such primitive thoughts.
Your tone and choice of words display the same attitude you claim conservatives exhibit, except much more hostile and judgmental in nature. You should seriously consider joining the dark side, we conservatives would be proud to call you brother.
Oh my! What is the Evil Empire paying Siths these days?
Before or after taxes?
I didn’t ask because I figured that if I joined the Evil Empire and started using the Dark Side of the Force it would allow me to find all sorts of ways of avoiding paying any taxes.
Fair enough. How about before or after being taxed out of the middle-class?
It would be almost the same. The conservatives would give them tax breaks.
Why you gotta be so mean to the Sith? I mean once you get past the something, something, something Dark Side stuff, all they really want is a peaceful and ordered galaxy. They have a Rule of Two so they keep their religion to themselves. Conservative Christians are much worse than the Sith.
Humor me here relaxin,, did you really see where I claimed it was the victim’s fault or saying to the effect that we only know “one side of the story”?
what country? if you’re saying Iraq you’re wrong about both taliban and burkas
Let me help you out just in case you missed it-the Taliban is in Afghanistan.
The Taliban is in more than just Afghanistan.
The Taliban was ruling Afghanistan at the time while supporting Al Qaeda-the US invaded. They were not in Iraq.
Yes they filtered over into NW Pakistan after the US invaded.
And the women of Afghanistan must still must wear a burkha or risk injury, jail or death.
From 96/97 while uner the Taliban and sharia law muslim girls could not attend schools or go out in public uncovered. In 2002 girls were back in schools and women could go uncovered. Yes there have been attacks on the schools against the girls and teachers but by who? The Taliban in hiding-not the official government policy.
Freeing women had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to go to war in Afganistan.
Actually, there was a big a campaign at the start of the war by women right’s group to do just that to make sure that the depressed Afghan women were freed. I am not saying it was the primary or initial reason but many of our solders died when the war expanded to include just that. Much of the discussions with rebuilding Afghanistan had to do with women’s rights. It needed to be done and it was.
I would be interested in knowing the name of the women’s right group that advocated going to war?
I was around when that issue came up. I don’t recall specific interest in this and am not going to waste the time looking it up for you. It was part of a broad movement to get emotions up over the war. If you read the post from LISA below you’ll see she refers to “Concerned Liberals” wanting to help the women although her understanding of it is a little misguided.
Do a little research before claiming that women in Afghanistan rights have been improved. You’ll be sadly informed.
It doesn’t take too much to google women’s rights and see that the country is heading in a different direction (albeit with great diffculty) than what the Taliban did to it. It will take time and resources.
Bush did not decide to invade a country to release women from having to wear a burkha. In fact in Iraq the incidence of women wearing a burkha has increased since the invasion because of religious pressure and women in Afghanistan must still wear a burkha or risk injury and death.
The conservative president freed the Iraqi oil supplies to his big oil buddies to plunder. He also freed Iraq of most of their electricity and clean water…over a million innocent citizens dead. Before WE took them our own brand of freedom, Iraqi women were professors on the university level. Iraq was known as the beacon of the middle east in their treatment of women. Guess it was because their govt. was mostly secular.
Concerned Liberals were begging our government to intervene on behalf of Afghanistan’s female population for two decades before we invaded. Nobody was interested until 9/11, and that was only to convince reticent Americans to back the war. I remember, because I was appalled by how easily we were manipulated.
I generally agree with what your saying about the manipulation (concerned liberals?) but the Taliban was not fully in power and had established sharia law until 96/97. Before then there were girls in schools and even women in government.
You mean conservatives don’t believe in murdering babies before they are born? I guess you are right.
Keep running on that. Liberals are fine with allowing liberal AND conservative women to decide whether or not they’re prepared to bring a baby into this world. Anyone wanting to take that right away should be prepared to suffer the obvious consequences. The November vote is coming right up. Good luck!
What might those consequences be? It that a threat? Nice rhetoric.
It’s a very accurate prognostication for November.
So your ok with inficide then.
No, you prefer the slow death from lack of health care, lack of education and cleaning the potties in school so we can save money on janitors.
What does that have to do w/the article?NOTHING.Violation of BDN rules-delete.
They just don’t care about them AFTER they are born.
Nah, only after they’re born.
Clueless yup we prefer out women in the kitchen naked.
Is that because you enjoy looking at their naked figures or because it saves a little money by not having to wash all those Burkas?
Considering what most of the conservative women look like they need burqas.After all their hero is Susan B Anthony.Enough said.
What are out women ?
Hostile conservatives? I never heard of such a thing (since yesterday)!
Christian Conservatives are about to cost the taxpayers some money.
yessah
They already do by not paying what they owe.This will just cost decent people more.But this woman deserves every penny.It should be paid out of his pension.
I take exception to this comment. You paint all conservatives as non-taxpaying people. I consider myself a fiscal conservative but a social liberal…guess I’m one of the few middle of the road people left in the Republican Party (if you believe all you read here). I pay my fair share of taxes. I don’t make huge money (way less than the President’s $250K line in the fiscal sand), I pay my bills, I served my country, I paid for my own college education and I live in my means. I am paying for my son’s college education without government assistance. I donate to charitable organizations…both time and money and I give back to my community.
Congratulations to you.I know some great R’s who do what you do.Unfortunately they often aren’t making laws .Continued good luck to you and yours.I also know some TPers who take great pleasure in cheating any way they can.Also,the comment was directed at CC’s -if you are a social liberal that is not the same group.
Guess I should have also said that I was a christian (don’t shoot me now LOL!). I just don’t think it is anyone’s business who someone else is marrying or what they do in their own home or what they do with their own body. I guess my point was that I took your comment to mean any conservative and not all of us are like that.
Not at all.It’s just sad that in our 24/7/365 news cycle,crazy sells.Sometimes I wish we had just the big 3 networks back.Have a great day.
Someone will call you a RINO soon, because you don’t believe exactly what you’re supposed to believe in the way you’re supposed to believe it…then dared to say something.
It is a sad that we, as a so called civil society, all can’t just have constructive conversations, clearly stating our beliefs and listening (without judging) to others beliefs, all without calling each other names and spewing hate. What happened to respecting the opinions of others…you don’t have to agree only agree to disagree! I am sufficiently fiscally conservative to meet the definition of a Republican…so now I guess the Republicans will not want me because I’m a social liberal and the Democrats won’t want me because I’m to anti-big government :) Can’t keep 100% of the people happy 100% of the time!
Exactly
well said – you should check out the nolabels group at nolabels.org
She DID report the discrimination before termination, actually 6 MONTHS before she was terminated. NOTHING was ever done.
Not true she was fired in retaliation for filing complaints while working.
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Conservatives… making life harder for those who want to work ane support their families.
Sounds like this fella didn’t read his bible to carefully. Some christians only pay attention on Sunday’s , like some catholics.
perhaps they are both a little at fault.
Since when has it been against the law to have christian conservatives views???
Think of the Democratic Liberal views that they push on us everyday…
I won’t point any out for fear of having my opinions flaged by liberals… heck they flag comments, Then claim they believe in the freedom of speech…
It isn’t, but it is against the law to discriminate against others. Seems she was a Christian, just not the right brand.
It’s not against the law to be a Christian Conserv, but religious views should not be in the work place. I work w/all types where I work, Catholic, Muslim, LGBT folks, Baptist and none of them would ever say to me “You should court, not date, it involves sex if you date.” That’s out of line. The work place should be free of those things.
ha ha, did you read the article? What “democratic liberal views” do “they” push on “us” everyday? And who is “us”? I really want to know because I rarely have border patrol supervisors push their liberal views on me. I promise not to flag your totally true examples.
Poor poor conservatives………. My post was deleted for having the audacity to suggest it was probably a Bush appointee or holdover….. hmmmmm wonder if the free speech side will let this one ride?????
If they can’t dispense medications prescribed by a doctor, then they shouldn’t be allowed to be a pharmacist. If they can’t handle working with a woman, then they shouldn’t be allowed to. Thanks to 24 hour news, we can see that this is a symptom of a greater disease. How about a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy concerning religion?
If you haven’t been there, take a ride to Coburn Gore and try to see how hard it would be to live under these conditions in that confining space.
As a former Fed I can tell you that once the EEOC has issued a right-to-sue letter, it’s all over but for the check to be signed and the body count to be started. The case for that was made in US vs. Chambers when the Interior Dept., right after 9-11, tried to claim the current U.S. Park Police Chief had both failed to meet the Annual Performance Review’s standard’s for her position by claiming it was documented on her AP Review and for talking to the media about a subject she was, by Presidential Executive Order, required to discuss upon threat of adverse action (EOP Ltr of Instruction, dtd 14 May 1999). Chambers lawyer’s in PEER filed with the EEOC the required right-to-sue application and followed it thru the entire process. As a part of that process, when Chambers filed for a copy of the supposedly negative Review in question, Interior went to incredible lengths to hide it while still claiming it supported their own allegations. When the District Court, which had been following this case very closely, finally ran out of patience with Interior, finally ordered Interior to produce it upon threat of both a formal Contempt Citation, and some very real and unpleasent jail time for a number of named official’s, the AP Review suddenly appeared and cleared both Chambers, supported her retaliation counter-charge’s and, in an example of not ‘ticking off the dog next door’, had her entire Agency’s Management chain either fired for cause, retired, and in the case of The Secretary of the Interior, resigned before the White House could issue the formal ‘good-bye’ statement. To this day Gail Norton hasn’t been seen anywhere near DC. Chambers got both her job back, over 5 years back pay paid, her benefit’s restored and is now, again, serving as the U.S. Park Police Chief in DC.
Carnot, it appears, has provided all of her facts documented and in order (and that’s one of the function’s of EEOC, to see if that’s the case) and made her case to the EEOC in very short order. That the Supervisor didn’t have the gut’s to give her the termination packet face to face is clear evidence that he was determined NOT to give her any opportunity to rebut or reply to whatever charges lead up to this. That alone is evidence of a Failure to Manage charge. It’s also a lousy example of supervising since you can’t supervise if you don’t talk to your people face to face. The religious issue is even more disturbing, moreso when you consider the size of the Station, it’s location and the tendency of the LE community’s ‘go along to get along’ attitude in general. Someone is gonna hang on this one. I suspect that even now the NE BP’s HR folk’s are deciding who. Folk’s the longer this drags on, the worse it’s gonna get. And with the EEOC ruling so fast, that alone should tell someone that dragging this out is only gonna make it worse.
Excellent post. Thank you, Mike.
Thank you very well stated.
I wanted to say that(:
I am not sure what the case you mentioned has in common with this one since it hasn’t gotten that far yet. I will agree that more often than not a settlement is probably the ultimate outcome. However, as a middle type manager of a large company I see these cases at times. Many get so blown out of proportion and convoluted by the time it gets to this point. More troubling is that there is a legal process to follow once there is a complaint. That process should have had this manager out of the loop and his superior dealing with it. I also find that the person making the complaint did not follow procedures in a timely manner but is after the fact and in my opinion for monetary gain. I am not saying this happened here but it sounds like procedures were not followed on both sides.
With respect Sir, the procedural issue is one of the the key issues that EEOC looks at in these type case’s. That Carnot’s Supervising Agent deliberately served her, off the clock and at home, with the termination packet in order to specifcally avoid her and prevent any type of possible resolution to this whole mess is, and I’ve seen it more than once, THE key reason that EEOC issued the Right to Sue letter. Also, this deliberate abuse of procedure, and literally an outright Refusal to Manage, were no doubt major major factor’s behind the letter’s issuance. It also tells me that CBP’s Field Operations Command Staff and their HR folk’s are hiding in their office’s and not getting out to see what’s actually going on in the field. That this entire situation got to this level tells me that someone in the BP’s Regional Office has not been doing there job and instead concentrating on generating stat’s for the current budget cycle’s request for fund’s. You can’t supervise, much less manage, if you don’t get out and actually see what’s going on beyond written report’s, especially in public safety agency’s.
Being a 1st line Super’, or even Immediate Manager, brings with it the responsibility of looking out for your people even when it’s not going to be popular with the Senior Management’s policy’s or position’s when you have to correct despite the loyalty to the Chain of Command concept being upheld. That this whole thing got to where it is now tells me that there have been MAJOR error’s in judgement and failure’s to investigate and correct at more than just the Agent level. If this ever gets to court, Carnot is gonna take the entire BP to the woodshed, from the Chief Agent down, and give it a huge collective 4th point of contact whooping, not to mention a huge settlement. Seen it before in the DoD. One does not forget a $ 8.2 MILLION DOLLAR OUT OF COURT SETTLEMENT for violating an employee’s civil right’s under the Title 3 provision’s.
I basically agree with what your saying. I think the whole group has to be a bunch of morons in this day and age not to know how to handle this correctly. The one wild card I don’t know is what the actual reason for termination. I can’t believe this whole mess just stayed at the immediate supervisor’s level.
Agreed Sir. That’s why the eventual settlement, and we can all see it coming, is going to raise this issue, across the whole of the CBP’s management, to a whole new level. That and the eventual scalp that’s going to be hanging outside the Chief Patrol Agent’s office door in DC. Nothing makes the point better than a body on display. Been there, seen and suffered under it and still managed to win. Never, ever go after the little guy that has nothing left to lose. They’re the most dangerous ones !
Gentlemen, thank you for having a civil conversation without having to drag politics and name calling into it!
Thanks for your input on this topic. You obviously have some experience in matters like this and it’s refreshing to read a post from someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. :-)
Thank you. You’re words mean more than you know. You are 110 percent correct. Again, thank you.
Spotted, the case was referred to PEER this morning for review and possible assumption. Past that it’s beyond my call.
All I can say is you are completely correct on all of your comments. Thank you for setting records straight and clarifying for those who doubt Carnot. The proof is in the paperwork which will be shown to all soon. Everything has been documented. That’s why the Notice of Right to Sue was granted.
I can assure you there are two sides to this story and you are getting only one side. There are some posters on here trying to make this a left vs right, or liberal vs conservative scenario. These posters are so shallow their comments are worthless. The real facts may never be known unless this woman’s former supervisor and fellow collegues are also interviewed by the news so the full story is told.
Of course with a screen name like yours no one is going to believe much you have to say.
About anything.
What’s not to believe???? That there are two sides to the story? Or that the full facts may never be known until the other are interviewed? I’m waiting.
do you question fox new’s articles and news pieces like this or do they always bring every side to the story?
ad hominem much?
Unfortunately those with things to hide don’t talk to the media. This story will unfold in the court where the truth should be told. Remember Ms. Carnot may be helping you or your daughters, etc., by bringing this to the public’s awareness. I am also sure that the Department of Homeland Security will stay mute and demand he stay mute also because if this supervisor made public statements and can not control himself it would not be good for their defense. I worked in media for many years and both sides are given equal time but if one side chooses to stay mute well the other does not have to be mute also. I have an opinion that men in the work place who can’t get along with females are maybe afraid of a woman’s work ethic is stronger than their male counterparts as women have to prove themselves because of the attitude like his. After all most women multitask well because of work and family. I am not saying one sex is better than the other because in my opinion there are good and bad employees no matter what there gender. Also, his comments about sex went way over the top and absolutely none of his business. It amazes me that people believe their intimate life is private but becomes public for others when they disagree with a lifestyle, It is really sad that people can not go to school or work and not be harassed or bullied for things that are nobody’s business.
Yes, dont forget the war on women scenario too….
That won’t happen-an office in a different state from the one I was working in had a well publicized harassment case.Immediately the HR guidelines were “updated” with a prohibition not to talk to anyone local or otherwise.They claimed it applied to all co. business but the timing was VERY suspect.
Do the conservative men want to pay fo all the women, because liberal men want them all to work for their own living, yet hand out welfare, but tax to do so and cap the benefits to a low salary and if you have a months worth of living in the bank and no income, there is no help for you either.
Also, what do or would the conservatives do to the men who take the life, eyes, teeth, hand, foot, burning, or stripe from their wives, or wound their wives and do not let them go free?
The conservative men need to respect the rights and lives of liberal men too.
Huh?
What a coincidence, I wound my kookoo clock this morning too. Cool.
Three things you don’t want to bring into most workplaces.
1. Your religion
2. Your politics
3. Your views on sex and dating.
I could not agree more!
Dear Supervisors, Words to live by…
More “things you don’t want to bring into most workplaces”
1. A live mongoose
2. Mentos and Coke
3. Sex toys
#3 Kinda depends n where you work…
And DO NOT use your phone to take private pictures and then subject co-workers to the pictures.
Kids and pets too.
How about my Mother-in-law:)
You are generalizing just like StillRelaxin.. why say “you people” when the evidence supports only the use of “you”. You can’t lead from behind. If you reply, “because he did it first” then you’re not leading, you’re following.
Based only on what information is provided here (possibly not the safest assumption, but it’s all we’ve got to go on), it sounds as if the problem here wasn’t so much conservatism as toolery – a human failing that knows no ideological boundaries.
I’m a Republican and I hate the border patrol. Always find some way to mess with you crossing, even when your passport is stamped with multiple entries from many different countries with no issues ever. I’ve been harrased by men women and some I was not sure of their sex. Janet Neopolitian Ice Cream? She called veterans “terrorists” , as a Vietnam Veteran I can tell you that I was terrorized when I returned to the country I fought for (most hippies like Rush Limbaugh turned right wing after the draft was over). I’m glad she was fired, I hope her boss gets fired as well. I would like to see the lot get fired. If they do such a good job, why are they harrassing law abiding citizens, and we are flooded with “Undocumented Immigrants?”
We are not flooded with UI.Net migration from MX is down to zero.BP works 24/7/365 in all weather protecting your goods,medicine,food and everything else,as well as facing drug cartels -all at risk to their lives.If as a civilian you think you were unfairly treated there is ample recourse at the station and online.
I think you are confusing the Border Patrol with the Customs and Immigration officers. The Border Patrol works the areas between the ports of entry such as the woods, deserts, etc. The people who check your passports or other documents, search your trunk or whatever are the immigration/customs people who you encouter at the ports of entry when returning from abroad. They can be a real pain in the butt. Some are overly officious and a little badge crazy.
I am sure there is another side to this story. It is good to see that this guy has been drawn and quartered by the bloggers……
It seems like depending on who is reading and interpreting it in the minds what they think it says. This article said he tried to push her to his conservative views regarding religion, marraige and women in the work place. No where does this article call him the political “conservative” which you are all arguing about. His treatment of her is not political but his “Personal ideology” to which he is entitled. However, when you take that to work and try to impress it on an employee you cross the line. There are those who agree with his ideology however that number has decreased dramatically in today’s world. To begin with even married women usually have to work in today’s economy just to give the children a decent life. I am sure many wish they could just stay home and clean, cook and spend all their time with the kids rather than daycare, missed plays and sports and just the fatigue of a 100 work week between job and still all at home that needs to be done. His opinion was just that “his” and should have stayed at home. There is no place in the work place for this attitude and I hope he loses his job and maybe someone in the public (who he can not sue back) takes him out and berates him in public so maybe he will learn. Also is it amazing how her name is in the public to be discussed here and his name is a big secret. Well when she sues his name will come out and we will see if someone turns the tide. Highly doubtful his opinion will ever change but she can hope. This lady was discriminated on both her sex and religion which if I remember is illegal not just immoral. Stop arguing people and be thankful no one is harassing you or your wife/husband to the point you have to leave your security of employment and try to feed the kids (if she is married I am not sure if she has kids) or pay her own way in life. How many women/men choose to beg for entitlements rather than earning the family money legally and morally. I have compassion as I was forced my a male boss to almost insanity with his hostility and disrespect towards women and chose to leave a well paying job but my sanity, pride(were worth more than any money) even though the fact was that I pay my own way in life as I am single. There is not one person in this world who is worth trying to destroy someone’s spirit and drive. So Best of luck in your future Ms. Carnot and I hope a better employment opportunity comes your way as you deserve to be treated as a valued employee which it sounds like you are and were. For everyone arguing on her about Liberals and Conservatives…Be thankful you or your spouse have never been treated like this for it is a hurt you never want because it is attacking your character and morals saying they are not worthy and only theirs is correct. Just think about it….
If you are a supervisor and a devoutly religious person, it appears it would be best to keep your beliefs and opinions to yourself.
Definitely. Perhaps even do your job and worry about your personal views on your own time.
Keep your political/religious views out of the workplace and show some professionalism for a change !
This does not surprise me. What does surprise me is the supervisor is still in his position. He should be placed on administrative leave…. immediately.
Misleading headline. These allegations are not conservative, mostly religious. Religion is not found in any definition of conservative that I found.
Conservative Christian…. those two words pretty much go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Ironic all or most of the CONSERVATIVE RED STATES are in the BIBLE BELT of the USA. Conservative Evangelic Christians.
Ironic that the blue states have the biggest budget shortfalls, while the red states are much better off financially. Again, just stating a fact about the definition of conservative.
So using your logic, the so called Moral Majority is considered neither religious nor conservative? Got it.
Just stating a fact.
It is time the “men” stop treating women like they are nothing other than someone they can control. Unfortunately, it is still a mans world. Only the “P” have it all.
A year ago I was in a social issues and problems class and I had been assigned to work with a border patrol agent ( I was not thrilled) anyway, he made it very clear that women were a burden when he was working in the army..also that he was not trying to harass people crossing marijuana, but rather harder drugs such as meth and Oxycontin. Our project was on Dont ask dont tell…. and do I even need to tell you his beliefs on this! He was not a supporter that is for sure. I was soooo glad when this class was over, as I had to work with him for 3 long months :(
Your religion belongs at home, not in your job or our government.
Despite comments to the contrary, this matter has nothing to do with conservatism per se. It seems to be a case of another misogynist hiding behind the rubric of the Old Testament, a rich source for rationalizing that sort of behavior. In his case, maybe the scriptures are the source of it, maybe not, but there it is nonetheless.
I would take any edict from the Bible with a grain of salt. It was written by men, not by God. Too many people–mostly men–throughout the past 2000 years, have used the Bible to justify any number of horrors and crimes against humanity, perpetrated in the name of their God.
As for the situation Ms. Carnot was forced to endure when she was just trying to do her job, it amazes me that her unnamed boss still has his position after so many violations of federal and state mandates–while she was fired because of his twisted, archaic bias.
The war on women theory again…..LOL….
Kansas decriminalizes domestic violence: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/us/topeka-moves-to-decriminalize-domestic-violence.html
Repeal of equal pay law: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/scott-walker-wisconsin-equal-pay-repeal_n_1445674.html
Texas defunds women’s healthcare: http://jezebel.com/5906760/republican-judge-issues-midnight-ruling-allowing-texas-to-continue-blocking-planned-parenthood-funding
Forced transvaginal ultrasounds before abortion – including in cases of rape: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-07/virginia-abortion-ultrasound-bill/53401720/1
Men-only congressional panel on birth control: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/birth-control-hearing-on-capitol-hill-had-all-male-panel-of-witnesses/2012/02/16/gIQA6BM5HR_blog.html
Is the guy still working? I hope he is counting moose from a forest tower, because he will probably get worse as a supervisor. Zealots only work as leaders in crusades or jihads. Day to day personal management is not a character strength.
Those who screetch the most about everybody being tolerant, are so intolerant of anothers viewpoint its laughable. We heard one side of the story in the article but these same clowns jump to conclusions based on emotion and hate of conservatives. Its what trolls do.
Typical of some supervisors, they have not learned anything over the years.
Unfortunatly, most supervisors. As they so call themselves. Most are power driven by their own egos and could give a rats “A” about the little people that get them there.
If this is true, this guy should be fired or demoted.
Not that it doesnt exist, but where in this well crafted story dose it mention any proof of evidence.
Rebecca may have been harassed, and she may be the victim in this case, but without a witness, or some form of evidence, its going to be difficult to sue.
Many of us of the Catholic faith have to deal with ridicule, but it usually comes from atheist liberals.
A lot of decent men are working to change the above proposed laws too.A man who was brought up properly respects and appreciates women.Sadly there are plenty who never learned that and they have positions of $$ and power.We need to get rid of them.
You GO GURL!!! Women ARE NOT! Only for having babies, and playing the role of “Rebecca From Sunnybrook Farm”, or “Martha Stewart” We have more then that to give!.. Let A Man Try To Walk Where a Woman has been! He’ll Never Make It!!! PERIOD!! He Has NERVE Alright!
I think I am reading a story that reports a small-minded male supervisor with certain beliefs acted in an unprofessional, unacceptable way to a self reported Catholic woman. This woman is now taking legal action where the court system and lawyers will do what they do with facts presented from both sides to reach a decision. One fact the employee included was the supervisor’s invitation to attend a Protestant church service.
Darn it, though….I keep missing the part where “conservatives” as a whole population endorsed, supported and condoned the supervisors efforts to return this woman to the home where she belongs. I am probably not as up to date as the people posting here, but traditionally aren’t the Catholics more tied to evil anti-woman antics than the Protestants?
Geesh, just read it again and all that I see is a female employee is taking legal action against a male supervisor.
The Coburn gore border area is a sieve for drugs and illegals who want to enter the US from Canada.
The guards at that station should spend their time watching the border instead of converting Catholics.
This woman was my best friend and you have no idea the hell they put her through!!! She was an awesome officer who derserves to win this!! What these people did to her is absolutely 100% wrong!!! I support her completely in this!! So happy to see you finally getting some justice!!! Miss you sooo much!!!!!
I know what the Republican War on Women is all about. I experience it every day. Especially from these Religious Bible Fanatics. I support her too. One woman in Tennessee had to use a shotgun on her Bible Thumping Husband Minister.
Yes, that infamous war on women……Women will never be the same.
Yes, if you’re a Lib and you don’t like what someone is saying because it offends just shoot them. Nice logic.
Why is a government agency giving out gift card bonuses for employees doing their job?
I wonder if the Seals who got Bin Laden also got gift cards?
Shades of The Maine Turnpike Authority ?
Hopefully they got some gift certificates to use on the Columbian hookers.
There’s conservatives who are rational like say Peter Mills and there’s loony extreme wingnuts who have co-opted that term and say they are conservatives like say LePage or Plowman or Summers or Poliquin.
It’s a distinction with a difference and one that’s severely split the GOP.
Real conservatives should call out these usurpers for what they are, Teabullies and religious nuts aka The American Taliban and Facists.
I think we should all reserve any judgements until we here “both” sides of the dispute. I’m a conservative, I have both conservative and liberal friends and I don’t know anyone, conservative or liberal, who feels like this supposed conservative does. The description of this man almost seems like the classic portrait of conservatives that the left tries to paint of us. We cannot take her word as the gospel truth until we hear his story. We are still innocent until proven guilty, are we not?
It is amazing to me how many people believe everything they read without knowing both sides of a story. A person can file a complaint about ANYTHING and it will be investigated.
“Carnot alleges in the lawsuit that the supervisor said women should not be involved in law enforcement and had a duty to obey their husbands in accordance with the Bible.”
And her problem with that is? He’s right, she needs to be at home raisng the kids and keeping the house clean for her man, and when she’s not doing that or laundry, she needs to be out in the kitchen on the business end of a frying pan.
typical women did nothing wrong except being a women–time for this to stop yes women are as qualified as men but they should be as qualified
Women are always portraying themselves as victims, just like gays, minorities and welfare recipients.
Seems to me that, at this point, we only have one side of the story.
I am a conservative. If what she said it true I hope she wins her case. There is no need for this treatment of anyone.