PORTLAND, Maine — Bishop Richard J. Malone is leaving Maine to assume leadership of the Catholic Diocese of Buffalo, N.Y.
Malone’s appointment by Pope Benedict XVI was announced Tuesday at the Vatican. Malone is scheduled to be installed as bishop Aug. 10 at St. Joseph Cathedral in downtown Buffalo.
The College of Consultors, a panel of priest advisers, will meet in Portland in August to consider appointing an interim administrator while awaiting the Vatican’s choice for a permanent replacement for Malone, Monsignor Andrew Dubois, moderator of the curia for the Portland Diocese, said Tuesday. Portland Diocese spokeswoman Sue Bernard said the process of selecting and vetting a replacement for Malone could take as long as a year.
“I fully expect someone with the qualities Bishop Malone had, someone who is a person of integrity, who is committed to the faith, someone who loves the people of Maine, someone who is willing to travel the state, work hard and meet people, and certainly [personifies] the whole essence of the New Evangelization, building up the church, proclaiming the faith, and sharing the good news of Jesus Christ with people,” Dubois said.
In a Buffalo news conference simulcast at the Portland chancery office, Malone told reporters in upstate New York he will remain a vocal advocate for the Catholic Church’s political positions in his new role.
“My priorities have always been … to engage ever more effectively the vision of the New Evangelization, firing up the resolve of the faithful to share and live their faith by word of witness, welcoming absent Catholics home to the Church; and working together to transform our Church to become more respectful of the sacredness of human life, from conception to natural death and every moment in between; more committed to the preservation of religious freedom, our first and most precious liberty; more engaged in the restoration of the institution of marriage how God has created it to be, the union of one man and one woman, open to the gift and rearing of children; and more involved in compassionate outreach to the poor and disenfranchised and forgotten,” Malone said Tuesday morning.
The Diocese of Buffalo has more than 633,000 Catholics, more than three times that of Maine. In the city of Buffalo alone, there are 32 Catholic churches. The diocese has seven Catholic colleges and universities and 15 Catholic high schools.
Malone, 66, told reporters Tuesday he is excited about the change and that his experience promoting the New Evangelization and reorganizing Portland Diocese resources prepare him well for Buffalo, where similar changes were necessary in recent years.
Retiring Diocese of Buffalo Bishop Edward U. Kmiec said during the morning news conference his Diocese reduced its parishes from 275 to 175 over his eight years.
Malone, the 11th bishop of Maine, most likely will be remembered by Catholics for his New Evangelization plan, which consolidated 137 parishes into 57, and his support of the people’s veto of a law that would have allowed same-sex couples to marry in Maine.
The New Evangelization plan, announced in the year after Malone’s installation, called for a paradigm shift in the way ordained and lay Catholics view their roles in the church, William R. Schulz, the man charged with seeing it implemented, said at a planning meeting in October 2007 in Bangor.
One of the driving forces behind the reorganization was the number of priests expected to retire by 2010. When the plan was announced in 2005, there were 90 active diocesan priests. According to information posted on the diocesan website, there are 69 active diocesan priests in Maine and 86 who are retired or ill.
Under Malone’s guidance, parishes now are made up of a group of churches in geographic regions with between two and 10 worship sites in each parish. Parishes are overseen by one board made up of members from each church.
In Greater Bangor, two parishes were created. One includes churches that previously functioned independently in Bangor, Brewer, Hampden and Winterport. Another is made up of worship sites in Old Town, Orono, Indian Island and Bradley.
The consolidation and the shortage of priests has led to fewer Masses available each weekend and the closing of about 10 churches around the state, including St. Mary Catholic Church on Main Street in Orono.
Malone, who had been an auxiliary bishop in the Archdiocese of Boston, was named in February 2004 by Pope John Paul II to replace Bishop Joseph J. Gerry. A Millinocket native, Gerry submitted his retirement letter to the pope, as required, on his 75th birthday in September 2003.
At his installation eight years ago, Malone outlined some of the challenges the Maine diocese faced, including:
• Reconfiguring parishes so evangelization could be effective.
• Focusing on nurturing people interested in the priesthood and religious life.
• Identifying, supporting and collaborating with lay leaders.
• Advancing Catholic teaching on matters of social justice, peace and respect for human life.
• Making education a priority by supporting Catholic schools, lifelong faith formation, adult religious education and youth and young adult ministry.
At that time, there were 234,000 Roman Catholics in the diocese. As Malone leaves the state, there are 187,306 adherents, according to information posted on the diocesan website. While Maine has the lowest percentage of people in the country who claim a religious affiliation, the Catholic Church has the most members of any denomination in Maine.
Malone announced in March that he and the diocese would sit on the sidelines during the same-sex marriage referendum campaign. More than two years ago, Maine voters rejected gay marriage in a statewide vote, 53 percent to 47 percent, after it had been passed by the Legislature and signed by then-Gov. John Baldacci. During the 2009 successful referendum to repeal same-sex marriage, the church gave $500,000 and lent its public policy director full time to the campaign.
The bishop said earlier this year the diocese instead would focus on teaching parishioners about the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman. At a press conference earlier this year, Malone unveiled a pastoral letter titled “Marriage: yesterday… today… always.” Malone said he wrote the letter to explain the church’s position on marriage. The document will be discussed at Catholic churches and schools and through the diocesan magazine and radio station, which both were launched under Malone’s direction.
Dubois said continued advocacy against same-sex marriage, which will be put before voters again at the polls in November, will be carried on by the College of Consultors without a bishop in place here.
Malone also was bishop in Maine when the priest sex abuse cases came to light nationally and a few Maine priests were accused and some found to be involved in such activity. Malone has indicated a willingness to support and aid the victims of priest abuse, but on Tuesday, Barbara Dorris of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said the Catholic Church hierarchy is “trading one callous official for another” by sending Malone to replace Bishop Kmiec.
“If the church hierarchy ever truly wants to put an end to the abuse and coverup crisis, the Vatican should promote men who actively do that within their own dioceses. Instead, they promote the status quo and continue business as usual,” Dorris said in a prepared statement.
Malone was born in Salem, Mass., and graduated from St. John’s Preparatory School in Danvers. He studied at Cardinal O’Connell Seminary in Jamaica Plain and graduated from St. John Seminary, Boston, with bachelor’s degrees in philosophy and divinity and a master’s degree in theology. Malone subsequently earned a doctorate in theology at Boston University and a Licentiate in Sacred Theology at Weston Jesuit School of Theology.



Best news I’ve heard all week. They’re going to love him in Buffalo. Good riddance!
Bishop Malone has served the Diocese well. He has been the best Bishop Maine has had in a very long time. The others had done so much damage to the faith here that Catholic Mainers have no clue on what being a Catholic means. Bishop Malone is being thrown into a lion’s den of pro homosexual Diocese of Buffalo. Bishop Malone may not be “popular” but at least he’s faithful and in the largest scheme of life that is more important. Hang on good and faithful servant.
“pro-homosexual”? And you consider yourself to be a Christian?
Yep, God condemns homosexuality it’s one of the 4 sins that cries out to heaven for God’s vengeance. Being faithful to God is more important than being “popular” in this world.
My God encourages love. Vengeance is manifested in Karma–often with irony–
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/man-tattoos-leviticus-1822-that-forbids-homosexua
Hope you don’t eat shellfish.
So if everyone truly believed the literal interpretation,there would be a lot more broke Maine fishing families.All the more reason to skip the fables.
Eating shellfish as is homosexual sex is not good for health reasons.
God condemn judging and any man who sets himself above others. We don’t even know if those passages are translated correctly. Do you follow the rest of it word for word. If you did you would not be on here. God Bless you.
“God Bless you. ”
Why? Did someone sneeze?
No, I am just sending a prayer to those who are false prophets of the Lord.
It’s not me who will judge it will be God who will.
It is a good thing that my god Odin only hates Ice Giants. I get to be nice and support equality for all, and the only thing my god wants me to hate and kill are Ice Giants.
http://burningatthestake.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/memes-odin-kills-ice-giants.jpg
Ice Giants ! Is that a hockey team?
Nope, my religion has Ice Giants where yours has demons. My religion is older, and there are a few of my religions ceremonies that your religion “liberated” and called you own. Of course your religion did that with a lot of religions. The RCC is full of ceremonies and rites that were stolen from other religions in order to help ease assimilation. However, I refuse to let Christianity have the Ice Giants, cause they are just as real as your god or the demons your church still exercises.
Ah hah ! I see.
You hit the nail on the head!Great post-many many likes.I know some who practice Wicca and they are some of the finest people I know,respecting of Mother Earth, their fellow people and all creatures.
When did the number of really bad sins get reduced to only 4. I was always taught that there were 7 Cardinal Sins(
wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.) ? I am sure glad I read this article today. Oh by the way which ones of the 7 deadly or Cardinal Sins have been eliminated? I can’t wait to hear all about that. I don’t know what church you belong to, but it sounds like it must be a discounter when it comes to sins. Kind of like the Marden’s of Churches.
And look who ran Marden’s. One who now discounts people-the poor,elderly,disabled and women don’t stand a chance with him.
Hey….you forgot salamanders. I think the Gov. discounts salamanders too.
Ethics are discounted more than anything else at the Blaine House these days.
Where did that come from? Oh yes I forgot do not use facts make up something that will bring tears to their eyes.
Envy and gluttony is alive and well in the United States…..wouldn’t you agree?
Typical Mainer that doesn’t know their faith. The Seven deadly sins are different than the sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance. Why don’t you do yourself a favor look up the 7 deadly sins and then what the 4 sins that cry out to God for vengeance. We should all educate ourselves on what different churches believe. You don’t have to believe a certain one, but you should have an understanding of what they believe and why some of us take the sin of homosexuality so seriously.
Typical Mainer? We’re not all ignorant and our children made us watch way too much TV during toddler days. According to Spongebob Square Pants they are:
1. Sloth: Patrick.
2. Wrath: Squidward.
3. Greed. Mr. Krabs.
4. Envy: Plankton.
5. Glutony: Gary.
6. Pride: Sandy.
7. Lust: SpongeBob.
See even the creators of Spongebob Square Pants came up with a creative way to teach us about the 7 deadly sins.
I hope you understand that for those of us who were not raised in your religion, when we read what you have written it sounds very odd. It kind of reminds me of a Hindu friend of mine explaining the intricacies of one of his gods. He, of course, is as convinced he is correct as you are convinced you are.
I always find it interesting some dismiss the religious beliefs of others as mindless babble while their own views, of course and without question, are the only true views.
From the outside looking in, I find it intriguing how the human mind so convinces itself. Apparently, there is a need for this absolute, unshakeable, truth. I thought that is what purgatory was but that was dismissed as I understand it.
Pro Homosexual just like Jesus who ate with prostitutes? God Bless us and save us from your Christianity. God loves me exactly the way He made me. God Bless you I said a prayer.
http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0810/prayer-jesus-god-stupid-atheist-religion-demotivational-poster-1225135895.jpg
I AGREE!!! Although I pray daily i think actions speak louder than words. I also try to do what is right and just and I do something for others daily. This is what I believe is right and just.
That is so funny! I had to forward it on to friends. My other line is, “Pray all you want… but get in the damn boat!”
Referring to that old joke about the drowning man who refused two boats and a helicopter during a flood, saying “God will save me!” Of course, he drowns like a rat. Before God, he shakes his fist and declares, “Why didn’t you save me?!!?” God replies, “I sent you two boats and a helicopter. What else did you want?” Old joke.
He also said to the one adultress, go and sin no more. If he was as loving and forgiving as you are implying then he would have forgiven the money lenders in the temple, instead of chasing them out of the temple.
Adultery is against the Ten Commandments. Homosexuality is not. Read your Bible please before adding to the discussion. it is a wasteland of contradictions and hypocrisy that have NOthing to do with the word of the Creator.
Holy Moses ! Evidently Moses got too tired before adding that last and 11th commandment. “Thou shalt not express disapproval of the homosexual lifestyle.”
Well you see in the movie “History of the World Part 1,” it really depicts what truly happened. Moses actually had 3 stone tablets with 15 commandments, he dropped one and voile’, only 10.
Yea, um… isn’t he the guy that talked to a burning bush and listened to the voices in his head? Thanks to science we now know that wasn’t god, it was schizophrenia.
Thanks to science we now know that wasn’t god, it was schizophrenia.
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Ya think? Maybe it was mushrooms. (god should be capitalized)
Jersey, what creator is that?
I didn’t see money changing in the big 10 either, but yet Jesus CHASED THEM OUT.
I am absolutely certain that you haven’t a clue as to why Jesus sent the money-changers packing. I don’t have to be acquainted with you or meet you to know that you assume Jesus drove them out because He was so disgusted and disapproving of their greedy evil ways? I can give you a clue…..but it is more expediential for you, in keeping with your agenda, to continue to believe Jesus drove them out because He was against selling, making tons of money and profiting from it.
,”to continue to believe Jesus drove them out because He was against selling, making tons of money and profiting from it. ”
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Yeah it’s pretty vague what was said there, I really need to study harder,
You probably would not want to be acquainted with me, I don’t try not to make things too difficult in my life and try and keep things simple.
I just read it the way it said, Nope my bible learning is of rudimentary learning, but one last thought that keeps coming back to me, something about that “go and sin no more thing”, just keeps coming back to me though. I just don’t get that one. Was he trying to tell the adultress woman that it’s OK to continue in adultery b/c I’ll forgive you again and again and again et al. Maybe we’re missing something like go and sin no more … “until the next time the urges to commit adultery come upon you”
I too have eaten with the prostitute, homosexual and thief , however I am not afraid to tell them that there is a better way to live, God’s way. They are usually shocked that someone would actually confront them on their sinful lives, however they are grateful that someone actually cares for them. Most of theses people have had very tragic lives that lead them to live aberrant lifestyles.
This is the first I have heard that the entire Diocese of Buffalo was a pro homosexual den. I wasn’t aware that homosexual’s had dens. I kind of thought that they might be like straight people and actually live in houses or apartments. Now I know that bears, fox, and even Cub Scouts have dens but I really had never learned about these homosexual dens you are talking about. Would you care to provide us all with a reliable source so that all of us can learn more?
I had a split-level ranch with a sun-room. Does that count?
Gosh Chuck I don’t know if it does or not. Quartz seems to be the self professed expert on dens. But if it’s any help I did know a guy once who had a split-level ranch and I’m pretty sure he said he had a den . I wonder? Would that have made him a homosexual?
Hard to say. I doubt the split-level ranch and den actually made him a homosexual. I suspect it was a domineering mother and a weak or absent father. At least, that was what I was told back in the 1960’s.
Have to wonder if his decision not to actively campaign against same-sex marriage had something to do with this. Seems a little too coincidental to be otherwise.
There definitely is some political motive behind it, but maybe the next guy might be more hard lined. Who knows.
Oh he will be. Faithfulness to the truth comes first.
Don’t you know it! That’s exactly what I thought. The RCC is nothing if not masters at chess maneuvers. When Dolan rolled-over on November’s SSM battle, I thought this is really a 180 from 2009. Either he went into damage-control realizing the handwriting is on the wall, or the NOM court case has started to look like money laundering, or something. It made no sense.
When the bomb disposal guy is running out of the building, you might want to follow… in a hurry.
Something is up.
I suspect it has more to do with reserving capital to contribute to the 43 Catholic institutions that have filed suits over the HHS mandate.
As in more illegal meddling?TAX THEM NOW!
I wonder if the next one will actually be concerned with the religion as opposed to politics like Malone.
Sorry to see so many mean-spirited comments on this board–they are not deserved by Bishop Malone.
Isn’t there something about reaping what you sow? He sowed discord in the American people, and thus he reaps it now. If all of America were Catholic we would all be happy, but his position of power and his unproven faith have caused harm to other people, and for that they are glad to see him go.
Hoping the next Bishop will be more concerned with the poor and in firmed than my loving family. My sister and sister in law are both Catholic. They both believe in birth control and SSM. Catholics are no longer blindly following. Lets follow the Lord and his works and not the Catholic churches need to hate. How can they teach me the word when they do not welcome me to their church.
I assume you know the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church isn’t obligated to adopt the code of belief of your sister and sister-in-law….which is in direct opposition to the teachings of the RC Church?
I always recommend that Catholics who protest and raise hell about the Doctrine of the RCC (especially those Catholics who believe the killing of the unborn is modern “progress” and the Church ought to stop being old sticks-in-the-mud about aborting the unborn) should march right over to the Unitarian Universalist Church, where atheists, agnostics, monotheists, polytheists, or no labels at all will welcome them with open arms.. But do you think they’ll go? OH NO….. they seem to get a rush out of strutting around inside the walls of the RC Church, spouting to all that will listen, how modern and progressive they are, while maligning and belittling the Church they claim they are still content to “worship” in.
Your sister and sister-in-law are Catholic heretics.
They may be Catholic heretics, but I embrace them. With out people like that who do think for themselves, and do not blindly follow the path of the cruel and evil church, we would still be mired in the Dark Ages.
I wasn’t calling the sister-sister-in-law team heretics in a disparaging way…..although the word heretic has received a bad reputation. I describe them Catholic heretics, because they fit the actual definition of a heretic.
heretic: somebody who holds unorthodox religious belief: a holder or adherent of an opinion or belief that contradicts established religious teaching
I knew what you meant. Methodists, Baptists, 7th day adventists, and all the rest are Catholic heretics according to Catholics even though they venerate the same god. I was just saying I am glad they were or else we would still be in the Dark Ages.
I suppose they might be labled as heretics (the Methoditsts, Baptists, 7th day adventists and all the rest…but they wouldn’t be “Catholic heretics.
Decades and centuries ago, non-catholics were considered lost because of their departure from the mother church. In the modern-day RC Catholic Church, that no longer holds any credibility. I sometimes come across people and fellow employees who still speak of the RC Catholic religion as the same as it was over 50 years ago. I can’t really be bothered demystifying them, because they have a serious need to believe that myth anyway. No point in engaging in the debate or argument.
It is astounding to me the number of ex-Catholic friends who have left the RCC and, oddly enough, in fact have gone over to the UU church. It is like a direct path. I cannot figure it out. What is there, free beer over at the UU’s?
I have yet to have an ex-Catholic friend tell me they left their church and became a [pick one] (Mormon, Baptist, Lutheran, Jew, Amish, etc.). They all seem to end up at the UU’s.
Of course, the UU’s are strong in New England and are very old school Protestant, so I guess it is no surprise.
I am sure the sister and sister-in-law are crying in their beer about being called heretics. This rebellion does not seem surprising to me. Well, maybe a little bit. The RCC always was a “do as I say” church vs. the UU’s “let’s explore the universe together and discover new things.” Having new people question the dogma of the church probably is very threatening to those in the clergy and those seeking the status quo.
” Having new people question the dogma of the church probably is very
threatening to those in the clergy and those seeking the status quo.”
It is even more simple than that. All people who gain power fear to lose it.
I’d love to know what the collection amounts are these days.I’m betting it’s not enough to keep these fat cats in their mansions and fine art.Now we need to TAX THEM HEAVILY and take the burden away from decent people.
I talked to some Catholic friends here in the DC area. They say there is a shortage of new priests signing up and a big shortage of nuns. The people who are in the pews are older. They are not seeing many kids or young families.
I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m just reporting what I hear. Perhaps, it is different in other areas. I really don’t know, but if it is what I have heard, it does not bode well for the institution.
In the old days and strongly in some ethnic groups,a son was considered a success if he was a doctor,lawyer or priest.No more.For women to be a nun,nurse or teacher were the preferred paths.There are so many more choices now.
Especially when they have painted themselves into a corner with all these absolutes they continuously expound upon. There is no room for change or accommodation.
“Only a Sith deals in absolutes” – Obi-wan Kenobi
A UU church in N Maine had a banner that very simply said “LOVE” before the last marriage equality vote.They took it down afterwards.I wish they’d left it up.Not sure if other UU churches had the same banner.
I am sure the sister and sister-in-law are crying in their beer about being called heretics.
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I wasn’t calling the sister-sister-in-law team heretics in a disparaging way…..although the word heretic has received a bad reputation. I describe them Catholic heretics, because they fit the actual definition of a heretic.
heretic: somebody who holds unorthodox religious belief: a holder or adherent of an opinion or belief that contradicts established religious teaching
They didn’t know the significance of the Catholic faith, or they never would have left. A Catholic who knows his or her faith remains a Catholic.
Exactly, just like the majority of Catholic. Thank you for proving my point. I think they are both asses and I know, according to the BIble, that the CC is heathen and false prophets. Have you seen the news about the Vatican? Those who bare false prophecy will fall and it is happening.
I can’t make head not tails of your comment…..but anyway. I just went and found what the latest kerfuffle is about the Vatican. I was away from all the world’s crime and corruption for 5 days (on vacation) So here’s what I found.
[Pope Benedict’s butler Paolo Gabriele has been charged with illegal possession of secret documents that revealed cronyism and corruption in Vatican contracts] OMG…say it isn’t so !The documents revealed allegations of corruption, mismanagement and cronyism in the awarding of contracts [would this be similar to the corruption, mismanagement and cronyism that went into Obama’s failed Solyndra debacle?] for work in the Vatican [Green Energy Imaginary Industry] and internal disagreement on the management of the Vatican bank. In Obama’s mismangement of “a bank”….the American tax-payer is on the hook for his green energy companies…6 or 7 of them…all have FAILED…..to the tune of trillions.
And how about that failed insane scheme of Fast and Furious…which Holder and Obama are straining with all their might to keep off the table….(that ain’t gonna happen…that involves the murder of a border patrolman)
So there you go jersey…..no point in preaching to me about the Vatican.
Why don’t you spend some time reading about the latest in a long line of scandals in Rome just this week?The UU never raped children.Yet you seem to have no problem blindly supporting the RCC I’m liking the sister and sister in law a lot more.How’s your torch?
I often have wondered if the sexual abuse cases in the RCC (41,000 priests accused over the decades) had more to do with “targets of opportunity” than with actual pedophilia? That is, the priests were mostly after the 11 to 17 year olds. Adults might rebuff advances but to the younger crowd who would never question a priest, these seemed like the only available target.
Of course, priests can’t marry. The clergy of a UU church can. That must be some factor in the issue.
That’s why it amazes me that any woman would take instruction from a group of men who so obviously hate and subjugate women.Great points about marriage.I wish you and your partner success and joy and as a heterosexual male I am working hard for marriage equality.You have to wonder if the number isn’t far higher than 41K.After all the whole mess is worldwide.
I was going from memory on the report that the RCC itself commissioned. I am pretty sure the 41,000+ number was USA only and over a period of decades. But, quite rightly, I suspect the number could be higher. I have no doubt the number of victims is far higher than what was reported.
The Diocese of Boston reported over 10,000 cases. That has to be the tip of the iceberg. After all, the abuse was mostly to young men. Some would report this, others are too embarrassed to ever utter a word, some probably thought nothing of it, some do not wish to remember it, and some committed suicide or drank/drugged themselves to death.
The report by the RCC is available online. I cannot recall the name of the agency/company that did the report but it was a reputable organization. Although it is somewhat suspect when the accused is footing the bill for the report.
Some of the finding you may recall from the News – the definition of pedophilia in the report was lowered to a very low age rather than using the standard legal definition. The softened the report somewhat in that the label of pedophilia was applied to only a certain percentage of the victims. It was clear the victims were just into puberty and mostly male. Had the normal age of consent standard been used, the pedophile percentage numbers would have been far higher.
In the typical fashion of the church of not accepting fault for anything, they announced the findings that their priests were not trained sufficiently to handle the promiscuity of the 1960’s and they were overcome. Of course, this immediately was dubbed the “Woodstock Defense.” For a group into contrition, they rarely practice it.
Above all of this is the complete lack of concern for the victims. You would think the Vatican PR Damage Control team would grasp this but they don’t. They are focused on the acts of the priests and somewhat on the corruption (which most feel was almost as bad as the actual acts). What is left out of this is the harm to the victims! The response so far seems to be rather lackluster and they wonder why the public is p.o.’d?
Thanks for the additional info.Very illuminating. I have Catholic family who lived near Boston when the first reports came out.The reporters and newspaper received bomb threats which I have no doubt would’ve been acted upon.And no matter what the scandal is,the cover up is almost always worse.I saw an interview with a person who advises corporations after bad news and she said in EVERY case when her services are called in, a cover up happened before.
The other part is that the media slanted the coverage so heavily in favor of the CC it was repulsive.In any other case involving a non priest it was “hang ’em high”but with the CC they got to “retire” or they suddenly became ill.As you stated the victims barely got a voice.Those that were brave enough to come forward were threatened and slandered all over again.
Celibacy NEVER causes adults (clery or non-clergy) to go on patrol for unsuspecting victims. Pedophilia is the driving force behind victimizing children and adolescents.
I’ll get to reading about the long line of scandals in Rome ……however, I just got home from a wonderful Memorial day vacation and I’m still not in the mood to get back into getting up to snuff with all the crime and debauchery in the world at large. I”m not as sure about the history of rapes in the UU. Evidently you are. I am a Roman Catholic but I’m unclear how you know what I am blindly supporting. Maybe I’m just too tired from my vacation trip, but I’m not sure what the torch reference is all about.
Wow, you do not know Church teaching at all. Catholics who are not practicing the teachings of the Faith are technically not “practicing Catholics” and so are truly fallen away. Following the teachings regarding birth control is very basic and simplistic to those who can practice self discipline. NFP is not that hard for those who are educated in it. Most likely your relatives do not practice it because they never read the teachings of the Church, nor were taught NFP to begin with when they were married. Most of the poor catechism in older Catholics today is lack of education and sadly, as a Catholic you are obligated to educate yourself. I’m a convert and I was able to find all the teachings and learn them and understand them. Jesus created His Church and through His Church He does teach us the FULLNESS of the Faith. I pray your relatives come back into the fullness of the Faith and I hope they are not receiving Communion if they are using birth control. That would just be adding sin to sin.
Thank you for that, I needed a good laugh. Jesus did not create the church, it was more than likely the Masons and other builders. There is no word of god in order to follow in order to get an all access pass to the penthouse in the sky. The word you speak of was written by man, and the majority of the old testament is a collection of stories that were orally handed down from other cultures, and when the name of that cultures god appeared in the story, the Christians just changed it to the name of their god. Man also dictated what went into the bible and what stayed out.
OMG…….I can assure you…the “Masons” didn’t establish the Roman Catholic Church.
No, they didn’t establish it, however they did built it.
The Vatican palace was built in 498 or 514 AD. The first building on the Vatican grounds was built in 326 AD. How does that figure into your assertion that Masons built it?
The Freemasons were not always called the Freemasons, they had many guilds prior to getting the name Freemasons. Not much was built in Europe without the Masonic Guilds. Many non-believers “built” the RCC. Which is actually kind of fitting as Jesus did not want a Vatican Palace. Masonic Guilds date back to the building of the Pyramids. Sure Jewish slaves did the labor, but who do you think designed them? Masons have been very wise in their ability to stay out of sight, never publicly showing their influence and seemingly staying out of politics and religion. Seemingly…
I see what you mean…………”stonemasons”
For someone who’s so busy running other people’s lives,shouldn’t you of all people not be taking the Lord’s name in vain?Nice hypocrisy.
OMG can mean Oh my goodness
NFP=no (flippin’)problem?
But, the well-established number of Catholics who practice, or have practiced in their reproductive lives, artificial birth control is 98%! That’s astounding. I also heard it was a mortal sin to practice birth control. Are you saying 98% of the laity is wrong and going hell? What gives with the apparently vast differences between the clergy and the laity?
Eventually the anti choice clinic bombers will die off and women in the US will have reproductive choice.It takes a while to win but we will win.Thanks to all the brave people who help women everyday despite the threats,arson and illegal activities against them.
I have a REAL BIG NEWSFLASH for you. Women have had reproductive choices for a long time now. That’s already been won. $9.00 – $15.00 a month at Walmart or other pharmacies. A manicure costs more. A popular choice is abortion. 3,320 sucked down the drainpipe daily in the U.S. 1.2 million a year. 53 million since Roe v Wade. Now I ask you…what more could the poor besieged American woman ask for?
What you have the audacity to whine about and act like there’s a huge crisis is another large percentage of otherwise brave people who are protesting and refusing to pay for other people’s contraceptives, abortafacients, and abortions. This is a matter of conscience. Obama and Sebelius, with the weight of the HHS Mandate is informing the Catholic church….oh yes, you will pay for these procedures…..beginning in August. Her malicious tactics are tyrannical.
I’m sure you can find numbers to counter mine, but I’m inclined to go with the National Abortion Foundation. Here is one quote. I would like you to follow the logic.
MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.
In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant. Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had
forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they
conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No
contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.
If abortion were used as a primary method
of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three
pregnancies per year – 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most
women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only
one previous abortion (26%). Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that
birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two
unintended pregnancies is very high.
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html
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I thought this whole problem with the funding of birth control (again, 98% usage by Catholic women) was resolved when the President said the insurance companies would foot the bill for the OPTIONAL birth control / women’s health care costs. And, let’s face it, insurance companies would LOVE to not have to pay the costs of baby births. Paying for birth control is a small cost compared to health care for a baby and the mother delivering the baby.
And, we all know that is all insurance companies care about – the bottom line.
Even born-again Surgeon General C. Everett Koop said the way to stop abortions is to stop unwanted pregnancies. Isn’t that logical?
But, we can see why the RCC is wound-up about this. When I was a kid, my friend’s parents were from families of 10 or more. My generation was of 5 kids. I see 3 in the generation below me. And, now, it is down to 3, 2, 1, or none. You can’t keep the meat in the seats and the contributions coming in if no one is having kids. Look around in the pews. How many young families do you see? What is the trend?
As Joe Friday would say, “The facts, ma’am, just the facts.”
The facts have never worked with that gang and never will.Thanks for a great post.The problem we have there are still the Duggars and the Octomom out there.Until birth control is practiced worldwide and women are empowered we’re doomed.Great post as always.
Your last sentence applies to the church and has for two centuries.
Your sister and sister in law obviously don’t follow the teachings of the church they belong to. Why are they Catholic? There are many others churches out there who would welcome with open arms. Why would someone belong to an organization they don’t agree with?
I realize that a shortage of priests has caused many churches to “share” a pastor. There is however, a great loss in that decision. It is difficult to form a relationship with a priest who lives in another town. I guess I miss the old times when you saw a priest walking around in your community every day.
It seems the local personal touch has been lost. Many churches could support a priest of their own if a priest was available. It is very sad. I moved from another state to Maine, and the one thing that is really lacking is a feeling of a church community. Many people in our parish are elderly, and unfortunately when they pass, there is no one to fill their pew in the church. There are very few children, and even fewer young adults. The church must do something if they are to avoid closing the doors. I really don’t have an answer, but as the article states, not many people in Maine are affiliated with a church. Catholicism is the largest denomination in the state. I fear that will not remain the case in the future.
Currently the church is experiencing the change that our new Pope has dictated. I hope those changes do not reduce the membership even further than what it is today. Maybe I am a liberal Catholic, but if the church continues down it’s present path, I fear that it may not remain viable in the US.
I think the Church’s foray into politics has turned many people off. I value my experiences in and with the Church as a youth, but I feel as an adult I can’t attend and participate in it anymore with good conscience.
Pope and dictate in the same sentence… yea cause good stuff always comes from a dictator.
unfortunately for the Catholic Church, the church is just a microcosm of the community. We are seeing all the time that Maine is getting older, (I think I just recently read that we are either #1 or 2 in the state for age), and that our younger population is leaving.
I’m not Catholic but even I have seen the demise of the RCC, other churches, and affinity groups such as Grange, Elks, Masons, etc. These groups, aside from their stated purposes, also provided a sense of community and communication, and perhaps, those were the true underlying factors to their success. The main stated reasons were there but the social aspects kept people coming back.
A great deal of that social interaction has been replaced these days with many other options for socialization. What is the “draw” with these organizations today? Well, mostly not the core pieces. As education goes up, awareness of the world increases, and acceptance of other cultures improves, and science keeps making strides, there is less “believability” in the supernatural aspects of the church. The older people continue to attend and I would guess that has to do with the social aspect. But, younger people don’t buy into the hocus-pocus part of it so much any more. The days of telling a kid that Jesus cries every time the kid swears is just not believed any longer.
Additionally, these highly structured and inflexible churches seem antiquated today. Women cannot become priests? 98% of the laity practices birth control and yet the church still calls it a mortal sin? Actively being involved in political campaigns that have nothing to do with the church? Being against secular SSM when it has nothing to do with the church? Oh, and the sex scandals and all the other scandals – all of a sudden the “infallibility” of the church is rightly brought into question.
Who knows what will happen? My guess is that unless the church changes and updates its dogma, they will be relegated to the back burner in as little as 50 years. But, change will be difficult. If you preach absolutes and eternity, and then 20 years later say, “Well, EXCEPT that… We’ve changed the rules.” How does that appear? After all, what happened to all those unbaptized babies in purgatory?
I really wish them the best but the ship is taking on water. They need to do something and the ultra-conservative Pope now in power likely will lose more laity than gain. They no longer have the control over the masses they once did.
9. You will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers. 10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other.11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people.12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold.13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. Matthew 24: 9-13 (This falling away from the church and people becoming their own little God was predicted by Jesus)
Anyone who ever ran an affinity group knows it has its day in the sun. Very few institutions last forever. Well, the British Empire is pretty close.
Actually Chuck, as someone who came into the Church many years ago, I have seen both sides. The male-only priesthood is not “old” and makes perfect sense since they are representing Christ Himself. Women do not have a lesser role, they just have a different role. The birth control issue is also not the problem for lack of parish members. Protestants up til the 1930’s were against birth control as well, but because they would rather do their own will, rather than God’s will, they decided to follow the pagan way. Sadly, we have seen the destruction of a secular culture: high rates of divorce, cohabitation (if they even consider marriage at all), out of wedlock pregnancies, high rates of abuse, high rates of psychological problems, failure in the family structure. Not to mention abortion, which is purely evil. Now society wants to push for gay marriage, distorting the natural law. Every study mentions the importance of children to have a mom and dad, but gay activists ignore that. No, the problem with parish member decline is movement (populations do shift and this causes decline in religious population), as well as secularization of the population: apparently too many Christians are not taking their Faith to heart. One has to work at it. It’s not something you can just claim and pretend is not part of your daily life. Being a Christian is hard work and it often goes against the popular things in society. So perhaps the decline is also lack of bravery.
Melora, I want to applaud you for standing up for the tenets that you believe in. Whether I disagree or agree with those tenets, it truly takes someone of faith to stand by tenets that are no longer “cool” to follow b/c it’s just too hard.
I hear what you say and disagree on some points – most notably the gay marriage issue and children. My partner of 15 years and our 12 year old daughter are doing just fine. Both my grandfather and I were raised by our mothers when they became widows when we both were 5 years of age, coincidentally. We survived just fine.
Your complaints and concerns really stem from the observation that the situations you mention do not follow your view of what the world should be, probably as you feel Christ would not see it this way, either. But, it takes all kinds to make up a world and the issues you mention such as out-of-wedlock births really are not such a big deal to many. You have a view, understandably so, that finds these issues as a problem. But, that’s your view, not those of everyone else.
I would like to say I can see both sides of the story. I hope I do. What I find particularly troubling is the church’s involvement in my life, my secular laws, and my way of living, when I am not even a part of their church. I don’t tell them that burning candles is contributing to global warming. Why should they tell me who I can or cannot marry in a CIVIL ceremony? It’s completely illogical to me.
Churches, and not just the RCC, are entitled to do whatever they wish, but they must understand they have to leave the rest of us alone. Seems fair to me. I would give the same advice to a Muslim cleric who attempts to change our secular law to match his Sharia law.
” So perhaps the decline is also lack of bravery.”
Or an increase in intelligence.
Penn Jillette on “Big Think” said about as much. He said that what we are seeing are the “death throes” of organized religion. I think that is rather optimistic on his part, but I get his point.
The more these cloistered organizations try to circle the wagons, the more the laity wish to flee. As communication and education increases, there no longer is a common enemy to rally against. France, Germany, and the UK, likely never will go to war again. Everyone knows everyone and there is too much familiarity and acceptance. The same is true with gays – the more people know us, the more we are just ho-hum, like everyone else.
Penn goes on to say, “There is a chipping away of the institutions. Elvis chipped away. The Malls chipped away. But, the internet will bring them down.” It is just too easy to go online and find other views and facts that contradict what you are being fed each Sunday.
For me, it was the space race. The hocus-pocus part of religion made no more sense to me than did Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy. Once we rocketed through the clouds and didn’t hit anyone floating around up there, I knew it was B.S. But, that’s me.
The worrisome part is that volunteer fire depts. across the state are in trouble.More training,time commitments and the fact that most people simply can’t afford to work for free since they are trying to survive(let alone getting out of a warm bed at 2 AM in December)
Very true. Of course, the volunteer fire department idea has kind of been on the way out for awhile just for economic reasons. I know of some local, very small community, volunteers but by and large, the lion’s share of the FD & Rescue is done by paid professionals. Of course, in larger population areas this makes sense.
Well…whadda ya’ know ! The gays won’t have the Bishop to kick around anymore.
Yeah those gays, historically they’ve always been such bullies.
I heard there was a gang of them going around, pushing old women down, and re-doing their hair! Oh, the horror.
You’re right.That would be Romney and his bully friends running with scissors looking for long hair to cut.
Believe it or not, I have had to work with lesbians who were truly bullies. I have also worked with lesbians and gays who are delightful, amiable, good-natured and hard-working.
Some are bullies isn’t the same as all are bullies.
I know a girl with one arm, that doesn’t mean all girls only have one arm.
What you say is true……but I see no reference to a comment where somebody said ALL gays are bullies. Except for wolfndeer…..who, in your own courteous and pleasant way, posted a snide and sarcastic remark about gays being bullies.
When I survey the “real world”….I see and have interacted with ignoramuses, ill-mannered, aggressive and rude people. Some are homosexuals and some are heterosexuals.
However, among the supporters of SSM…the common thread appears to indicate that gays and lesbians are a unique and special breed….wonderful and marvelous in all their ways….superior to heterosexuals with relationship expertise and parenting skills and put upon by the other 80% of the U.S. population. None of this is true…..they have the same relationship/parenting success and failure rates as the rest of the population.
But the one commonality that is present with SSM supporters is their contempt for Christians and their seething hatred for Catholics.
You’re just reversing things for the sake of your argument. Gay people are unique, special and wonderful because they want equal rights? How the heck does that work?
As it stands, the argument is that gays are destructive and must be kept away from marriage as straight people are the special ones deserving of those rights only. Don’t claim gay people are bullies. Don’t claim they’re put on a pedastal. It’s not true.
Also, you’re trying to step back from what you said and obviously were implying. “The gays” won’t be able to bully Malone anymore. The truth is they don’t have seething hatred for Catholics. I personally am a Catholic, but am disappointed with their behavior on this, scapegoating a minority — it’s wrong. What gay people hate is being treated unequally. They’re unahppy with anyone who is trying to block them from the legal rights and protections they deserve. Call that hatred all you want, but once again, you’re just reverse things and it’s obvious.
You recall when Nixon left the WH, he said……”well, you won’t have me to kick around anymore” That was the tone I was intending when I said, “the gays won’t have the Bishop to kick around anymore.”
Perhaps I was living in a different world than you during the last go around with SSM being decided by the Maine voters. Bishop Malone endured a furious and intense amount of abuse, disrespect and public homophobe labling…..protests with signs outside the Cathedral from the gay community along with Catholic heretics. That’s what I am referring to as being kicked around by supporters of SSM. The Bishop will be totally gone and out of the picture as a punching bag for SSM crusaders this time around.
In reality, the Bishop was and still is obligated to expound on the Dogma and teachings of the RCC position on male/female marital unions….. as the only justifiable and valid joining together in matrimony of two adults. The Bishop’s Pastoral Letter on the teachings of the RCC on marriage is in pamphlet form in the narthexes of all the Catholic churches in Maine. We are encouraged to take a copy home to reacquaint ourselves as to what the establishment of the sacrament of marriage is all about.
Okay, if you’re going to say that gays will harm the sanctity of marriage and that marriage needs defense from them — you are not able to claim it’s a simple difference of opinion. Calling them immoral and sinners and yet you can’t handle the homophobe label? Come on. It’s like trying to say I’m intolerant for not accepting someone else’s intolerance — it’s backwards thinking.
Gay people don’t have equal rights. So to pretend that they’re the bullies and they’re the ones in the wrong for wanting to be treated equally is something I find offensive.
But whatever helps you sleep sound at night. Keep telling yourself that denying others legal rights and protections makes you the good guy and you’re just righteously enduring the hatred and abuse of the immoral. History isn’t going to buy that narrative and it won’t treat people like you kindly. That’s quite obvious with even a cursory look at American history.
I never called gays or lesbians immoral or sinners. As far as that sinner label, “we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.” Who says I can’t handle the homophobe label. I said the label was directed at Bishop Malone.
From those people that I have a dissimilar opinion from, I have had the homophobe label, bigot label and racist label hurled at me quite often. I actually have to tolerate there ignorance in ignoring the fact that I have 1st amendment rights to my own opinions.Those labels are thrown around like free candy. I am none of those. Homophobes, evidently, are supposed to have an irrational fear of homosexuality. I don’t fear homosexuals.
I’m not pretending that gays are bullies. I already explained that bully hubbub.
Until I am stripped of my 1st amendment rights, I still get to have an opinion and a principled position on matters of life. I also have the right and freedom to practice my religion of choice, unencumbered from interference from the government. Sebelius and Obama are now cutting into that right, but we’ll see how the court cases play out.
I sleep very well at night. The “good guy” characterization is interesting but…..I’m essentially, a “good girl”
You are those things. Deal with it. No one wants to admit they’re a racist, but there are obviously racists. No one wants to admit they’re homophobes, but there are obviously some. I’m sure the Westboro Baptist Church feels like they’re the good guys and they’re doing what’s right. I’m sure they feel like they get bullied and punched around. Sounds a lot like your complaints.
I never said you can’t have an opinion. You can voice it all you want, but if it’s a bigoted opinion, then it’s a bigoted opinion. There is nothing good about discriminating against your neighbors. That’s unAmerican and it’s disgusting.
Try to simmer down…….chill out…..it’s good for your blood pressure. Where and what is the Westboro Baptist Church? Is it in Maine? You have no idea what constitutes being “unAmerican”
The new one might be worse. Who knows?
It doesn’t mention who will be the next Bishop for Maine or is he doing two jobs? Personally, I hope the Church does get involved in promoting traditional marriage. The gay activists had people bussed in from other states last time they were fighting for gay marriage, so I think the Church needs to stay active to support families. The idea they are using now is that parish members will realize Church teaching, that gay marriage is unnatural and NEVER acceptable, and they are hoping people will use that knowledge when they vote.
You really can’t be serious. If your church doesn’t like SSM, then it doesn’t need to perform SSM ceremonies. Simple.
And, really, you are harping on the gay activists for busing in supporters? Have you checked the court case with NOM, the millions funneled through the church? The gay activists pale in comparison to the behavior of the anti-SSM group in 2009. At least my side complied with the law. Yours is still in court after losing two appeals.
I hope they also get involved in the fight to criminalize pre-marital sex and bar anyone from having a divorce. I hope they do this to show that they aren’t hypocrites, but I won’t hold my breath.
Catholics in Maine are losing a faithful bishop. Our loss, Buffalo’s gain. Hopefully his replacement will be as good or even better. It takes a strong leader, a lot of faith, and a lot of courage to be a true Catholic in these dark days.
Position available: One Catholic Bishop. Only qualified applicants need apply.
I wonder if the LePage supporters will call this another job being created by their hero?
Loving the new news about the Pope’s butler being arrested with paperwork he was smuggling out of the Vatican. Catholicism is a sham for money….period. Do I think that there are Catholics out there who are committed to their church? Of course. But bring in the money and the greed and the hypocrisy……whole new can of worms. Raised Catholic….walked away…..
I think Father Bob would be the best Bishop for this Dioceses. He knows most every Roman Catholic from here to Quebec and oversees; is ecumenical, thinks women should be given respect in the Church with equality and he is definitely the most amusing priest I have ever met. He would be very good for everyone in Maine as he has an eminence of charachter embracing love, charity, hope, acceptance and a great deal of faith in people as they are spirits of the universal good. This is respect and is recognized.
Let us pray to the Lord.