HAMPDEN, Maine — Maine State Police have released the name of a woman who died early Friday in an apparent murder-suicide on Marina Road.

Katherine Hunt, 53, died in her home after she was shot by her 53-year-old boyfriend, who had been living with her since he moved to Maine from Jacksonville, Fla., last July, Maine State Police spokesman Stephen McCausland said Friday night.

The name of the alleged shooter was being withheld as police were still attempting to locate his relatives, McCausland said.

Hunt was a welder at General Electric in Bangor and the man was a medical technician at the Maine Veterans Home, also in Bangor, he said.

Detectives are calling Hunt’s death a domestic violence homicide, McCausland said. Hunt was in the process of breaking up with her boyfriend when he shot her and then used the gun to take his own life, he said.

According to detectives, Hunt left work early Friday morning to return home and likely was shot by the man a short time after she arrived at the house. The gunman called the Maine State Police dispatch center in Orono at 7 a.m. to say there had been a homicide at the house and he was intending to kill himself.

The two bodies were found on the kitchen floor by the state police tactical team when they entered the two-story house at noontime. The bodies later were taken to the State Medical Examiner’s Office in Augusta for examination.

Upon learning what police say happened, Julie Ratsakongsy, who lives next door to the scene of the slayings with her husband, Som, had strong words about the gunman.

“He’s a coward,” she said just minutes after the standoff ended and the couple were allowed to return home. “I don’t feel right coming home. It’s terrible.”

The murder-suicide caused a six-hour standoff that closed two miles of Main Road North and slowed business in the area, including at Rawcliffe’s Garage, which was used as a staging area by police who went to the scene.

“Police responded to the house after a 911 call was received about 7 a.m. saying there had been a homicide and the male caller said he planned to kill himself,” McCausland said in a press release. “Some neighborhood homes were evacuated and Route 1A was shut down as a precaution.”

Nearly two dozen vehicles — from local police, Maine State Police and Penobscot County Sheriff’s Office — went to the scene. Among them was an armored state police vehicle that had a battering ram.

The battering ram was used to gain access to the home at 10 Marina Road and left debris from the broken porch and front door, along with track marks, on the front lawn.

“The bodies were discovered by the State Police Tactical Team about noon when they entered [the house],” McCausland said in a news release issued Friday afternoon. “The bodies were found in the kitchen and both appear to have been shot.”

State police sent a crisis negotiation team and members of the Major Crimes Unit in addition to the tactical team.

“It’s the ninth homicide of the year and it’s not the first [involving] domestic violence,” McCausland said.

There were two vehicles parked in the driveway, a bright yellow Hummer that had no front plate and a 2008 Jeep Compass registered to Hunt.

“Florida is not a two-plate state,” Hampden police Sgt. Dan Stewart said while standing at the end of the driveway after the standoff.

Dr. Ed David, the state’s deputy chief medical examiner, was seen arriving on the scene about noon and could be seen through the front door taking photos of the inside of the house.

Hampden police arrived at the home within minutes of the initial 911 call.
A couple of minutes later, about 7:10 a.m., a Hampden officer knocked on Som and Julie Ratsakongsy’s door.

“He said they barricaded the house and there was a standoff,” Julie Ratsakongsy said. “They went down there with guns.”

At about the same time, John Foster arrived at his business, Foster Imaging, located across the street from the entrance to Marina Road.

A police officer parked at the end of the roadway “got into the back of his truck and loaded an AK-47. He pulled out that weapon, popped in the magazine and cocked it, and it was locked and loaded,” Foster said.

“She was a nice lady. I did a lot of faxing for her,” he said of Hunt.

Another neighbor who lives across the street said the man worked at the Maine Veterans’ Home in Bangor.

“He’s a med tech and my girlfriend works with him,” said Robert Seeley, who lives on Main Road North. “She’s worked with him for a year and a half. He goes to Florida a lot. He’s from Florida.”

Seeley said he knew the man, and described him as “an awesome person.”

“It’s sad to see this happen,” he said.

A representative from the Maine Veterans’ Home declined Friday morning to verify whether the gunman was an employee.

Som Ratsakongsy said the man was more than 6 feet tall, spoke with an accent and moved in with his neighbor about a year ago.

He always waved at people as they drove down to Turtle Head Marina, several people said.

“She came and introduced herself when she moved in” about four years ago, Julie Ratsakongsy said. “Nowadays, people just don’t do that, it seems.”

Earlier this year, the neighbors said they heard the couple arguing and the man was screaming loud enough that they could hear it next door, but for the most part “they seemed happy,” Som Ratsakongsy said.

“She’s a sweet lady,” he said. “She was a real nice lady.”

BDN photographer Kevin Bennett and writer Dawn Gagnon contributed to this report.

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  1. This story took approximately 6 minutes to become about gun control.  There have been several stabbing stories this month, we’d better ban butter knives too.

    Good luck to the MSP and Sherriff’s, I hope this is defused quickly.

    1. Why don’t you try bringing a knife to a gun fight and she how well that works out for you.

    2. Scotland is trying that now. Banning guns ‘dinna’ stop the violence. So now they are banning knives. Even the small, unsharpened “skeen dubh” knives carried in the sock of a kilted man will get you arrested in bonnie Scotland now.

      PC has run amok.

    3.  Rizz is right on this one.  Government mentality says, “guns kill people so ban gunns.”  Using the same mentality, “knives kill people so ban knives.”  Fair is fair.  Right?

    4. Worst possible outcome, can’t speculate too much but sounds an awful lot like a domestic issue.  Sad.

  2. Is there an altercation without gunshots fired these days? All the folks toting guns make me feel so much less safe……I guess I’m eventually going to become scared enough like the rest of them in time to join the ranks of concealed weapons carriers.

    It’s like Trailer Park Boys has moved just a bit west to Maine from Nova Scotia, well they actually did that in the last few episodes.

    1. If more people carried weapons I bet many situations would be prevented or diffused before police even got involved. How likely would you be to whip out your pistol if you knew 3/5 people around you were carrying arms of their own?

      1. That logic really doesn’t make sense to me.  Is a situation truly ‘diffused’ by having a shoot out?  You could also go the other extreme and say that you’d be less likely to whip out a pistol if they were outlawed.  Not to mention, your comment assumes that the people doing these things are thinking logically, which they likely are not.  To speak to that point, I’m assuming that if you DownTownBangorian) were the only person armed in an area, that you would still extremely unlikely to whip out your pistol? 

        This isn’t in my opinion about gun control.  Either for or against, and I honestly think it’s kind of twisted to try to make it about that at this point with absolutely no details.

          1. exactly by banning guns only the criminals and law enforcement have guns because the crooks arent gonna give up there guns only law abidding people will which make it more dangerous

        1. When someone is shooting other people then yes, in my opinion the best and swiftest way to diffuse is to shoot them, not necessarily fatally, and halt the situation. I’m not referring specifically to this instance, it was a commentary on tedjohn’s assessment that gun toters make him feel unsafe. I’m just playing devil’s advocate to facilitate critical thinking vs knee jerk reaction. 

          You make an excellent point that those who are of sound mind are unlikely to pull a gun, unprovoked, no matter how many or how few people are carrying concealed weapons. It lends itself to corroborating my suspicion that more sane weapon carriers might not be such a bad thing.

          This particular situation may not be about gun control, but again, I wasn’t speaking specifically to this story, so I don’t find it to be particularly ‘twisted’ myself.

          1. More gun carriers you mean.  Unfortunately, you can’t make sure that only “sane” people are the ones carrying the guns.  I honestly think that the gun laws are strict enough.  You just can’t stop people from doing bad things.

        2. Speculate all you want about potential situations. When it comes down to it, concealed carry saves lives. 

      2. CCW is not a cure-all and I am tired of people saying it is. I carry. I believe in the right to carry. But having your weapon doesn’t make you invulnerable it just gives you a fair chance if you are threatened with deadly force. In this cases of domestic violence which this looks like CCW tends to only provide the attacker with a weapon as the victim tends to be abused and frightened. Sorry for speculating I might be way off base there.

        However this doesn’t mean that I don’t think more people should buy learn to use and carry firearms. We need more TRAINED and EDUCATED CCW permit holders. The CCW pistol safety course required by the state is ridiculous and woefully inadequacy. We need more classes by Masaad Ayob on the judicious use of lethal force. At least it should be required material to learn before getting a CCW and carrying a potentially lethal weapon.

        1. Smartest comment here.  CCW is great, but it is not the ultimate solution that many claim it to be.

        2. Agreed. As a CCW holder, I would not object to more stringent standards, regular background checks, more frequent renewals, etc. I register my truck every year, why not renew my CCW once a year.

          Educated gun owners can keep themselves and others safe. A bunch of people just running around with guns is a false sense of security.

      3. That’s crazy …. arm everyone and we’ll be safe? … Here’s what doesn’t make sense, the same people that rail about strict 2nd amendment rights and fight gun control are the same ones who want to restrict our voting rights, and they’re the same ones who want to cut the Police and Fire payroll and benefits.    

        1.  Yeah, I agree; it’s mostly the same people.  If only they realized that we could increase state revenue and help fund our schools by having every child register their squirt guns and pay for a permit to use them then you could make money off both the permits and the fines from every child who didn’t register their squirt guns by cops tasked to wander neighborhoods and revenue generate for our economy.   And while they’re at it we should ban all guns since the general public can’t be trusted by a government who treats us all as children anyway with collective punishment for all because a few people aren’t responsible enough to accept certain God-given Rights to go along with one of the God-given commandments of “thou shall not kill.”  

        2. That statement doesn’t make sense!  You are assuming that  everyone who is against strict gun control is a card-carrying Conservative.  There are a lot of liberals who also posses and carry weapons that don’t want tighter controls.

          1. I’m a gun owner, I just don’t see any need for civilians to be carrying assault weapons, that doesn’t make any sense.  Something has got to change?

          2. I own an “assault weapon,” an AK-47 and I also have a semi-automatic Remington 742 30-06. The 742 shoots exactly like the AK, has a greater range, and shoots a larger bullet. What is it about  the Remington makes it OK but the AK “assault weapon” not OK, or would you really like to outlaw both? What about my semi-automatic Glock 27 or my semi-automatic .22 rifle?

          3. The AK is cool gun, such a distinct sound and engineered with loose tolerances, a testment to a different way to produce a field weapon. As far as design goes I’d put it rigth up there with the M1911 and the browing A5.

            The one thing humans excel at through history…. we have continually perfected the weapon.

            But therein lies the rub, I don’t profess to have the answer, maybe something akin to Minority Report …. kidding. But we sure as hell can do better then what we’re doing?

          4. I have used a 742 for deer hunting.  An excellent gun!  It by no means would be considered an assault weapon unless you changed the stock, somehow found a banana clip, and changed out the barrel.  Lay it side by side with that AK and you can see the difference. I am sure you know the difference too. Assault rifles were made to would people. sometimes killing them. Give me that AK and I’ll hand it back to you fully auto in less than half hour.  I think I am already telling you something you already know.

    1. I don’t know, but the Bangor area has taken a strong down turn in the last few years.  It’s a real shame.  The sense of community has been pretty much destroyed by all these events.

        1. Not the casino.  But I have noticed an increase in crime since the recession and druggies came to town.

        2. Thats a joke. Please tell me how the casino has anything to do with this story? Or any other story that has happened recently? If anything it has to do with drugs or domestic issuses. When a city grows, like Bangor has been in the past 10 years crime is going to increase. As for the casion it has brought jobs to a city that needed them and helped with a new arena. I havn’t seen many if any stories having to do with bad things happening do to the casino if you know of any please inform me. 

    2. The way I see it, mostly denial of real issues until they come to a “head.” It wasn’t always this way in Maine.

  3. Another day and it starts off with more violence…..hopefully all will come thru this without further harm….Crazy….

  4. So let’s take a guess….the male from Florida has shot the female who owns the house and has now barricaded himself inside her house…..

    1. Since we’re semi-randomly guessing, I’ll throw out that somehow a unicorn and some bath salts are involved.  

      While less likely, it’s about as useful as other guessing in the comments section.

      1. If one actually bothers to follow the statistics it’s not so much ‘randomly guessing’ is it….  
        American women who are killed by their intimate partners are more likely to be killed with guns than by all other methods combined. (Rothman E. F., Hemenway D, Miller M, and Azael D. Batterers’ Use of Guns to Threaten Intimate Partners. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association, 2005. 60 (1): p. 62- 68.) 

        A recent study shows that access to firearms increases the risk of intimate partner homicide more than five times compared to instances where there are no weapons. In addition, abusers who possess guns tend to inflict the most severe abuse on their partners. (J.C. Campbell, Webster J, Koziol-McLain, CR, et al. 2003. Risk Factors For Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results From A Multi-Site Case Control Study. (American Journal of Public Health. 93 (7).) 

        Women are twice as likely to be shot and killed by intimate partners as they are to be murdered by strangers using any type of weapon. (Tjaden P., Thoennes N. Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey. Washington, DC: US Department of Justice: 2000. NCJ 18781.) (Rothman E. F., Hemenway D, Miller M, and Azael D. Batterers’ Use of Guns to Threaten Intimate Partners. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association, 2005. 60 (1): p. 62- 68.)

        In homicides where males used firearms to kill females, handguns were clearly the weapon of choice over rifles and shotguns. In 2003, 77 percent of female firearm homicide victims were killed with handguns. (When Men Murder Women: An Analysis of 2003 Homicide Data: Females Murdered by Males in Single Victim/ Single Offender Incidents. September 2005. Violence Policy Center. Washington, DC. Available at: http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2005.pdf.)
         
        Approximately 700 American women are shot and killed by intimate partners each year. (Homicide trends in the U.S Intimate homicide and Homicides by relationships and weapon type. Washington D.C.: U.S Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics; 2002.)
         
        The cost of domestic violence is nearly $67 billion per year, roughly 15% of total U.S crime costs. (Miller T, Cohen M, Wiersema B. Victim costs and consequences: a new look. Washington, D.C.: U.S Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice; 1996.NCJ 155282)
         
        In 2002, background checks noting domestic violence misdemeanor convictions and restraining orders kept 22,000 abusers from purchasing firearms. (Background Checks for Firearm Transfers, 2002, BOJS; Disarming Domestic Violence Abusers, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, September 2003.) 

        Firearms- especially handguns- were the most common weapon used by males to murder females in 2003. (When Men Murder Women: An Analysis of 2003 Homicide Data: Females Murdered by Males in Single Victim/ Single Offender Incidents. September 2005. Violence Policy Center. Washington, DC. Available at: http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2005.pdf.) 

        Are there men who are shot by their domestic partners? Clearly yes there are, that being said the statistics clearly indicate and support that females are far more often the victim of a domestic shootings than their male counterparts.  Do feel free to cite any statistics you may have on unicorns, fauns and bath salts…..

          1. I do tend to think being factually and statistically accurate rather than being ‘anecdotally right’ is slightly  important….go figure.

          2. Either way, from my “sources”, which are questionable at best, it does sound like you’re pretty close to right on in your guess.

          3. I’m sure we’d all rather everyone was safe….. and I’m just not sure how we as a society accomplish that in this day and age…..very sad and unfortunate thing for all involved.

          4.  We accomplish maybe not safety but certainly peace by minding our own business, taking care of our families and being prepared for our own urgent situations or contingencies.  And also by earning the respect of those around us, by being fair, just and inclusive to uplift all rather than a few.

        1. Obviously you are an Attorney and know more than a layman could ever know about all of this, citing case law, etc. Thank you for your professional opinion, it helps very much to have your view of what has transpired and your legal opinion.  

          1. Oh My Gosh,  I just saw what you posted in a later post. I might be mistaken,but I retract my previous comment, I thought you were a person that might be qualified to make a response. I need to be more patient and let the real legal community weigh in on these things. Foolish Me…

  5. This is quite unsettling!  I live about 1/2 mile from where this is happening, and my five year old mentioned hearing “fireworks” as I was putting the kids into the car to bring them to daycare just before 7 this morning.  Turns out he must have been hearing gunshots.  I hope they can get this resolved quickly and that the person who was shot can recover.  There is way too much of this violence going on lately.

  6. It strikes me that the more people packing, the more likely there’ll be firearms used.  (Please don’t jump to the conclusion that I am anti gun cause you’d be wrong.  I’m just making a statement that I believe to be true.)

    1. It’s hard to say, but worth pondering for a minute, anyway. It could stand to reason that the more educated, safe, legal, responsible individuals with guns there are the better chance we stand against someone like the Colorodo kid taking out a block of people. It may not lead to a decrease in firearms use, but it may lead to a decrease in innocent people harmed by firearms, which is an important distinction.

      1. Safe, legal, responsible individuals can ‘crack’ too.   I do believe that certain people should be permitted to carry a conceiled weapon but we can’t get carried away.  It’s not the wild, wild west (now the theme from Gunsmoke is in my head).   People should not be allowed to purchase guns or ammo on the internet for so many obvious reasons.  A backgroud check is not enough, sellers should be more cautious .  There needs to be more stringent criteria for buyers and sellers. 

        A cautious and responsible gun owner.    

  7. Look at it this way, the bad guys are being removed, one by one. The streets are safer every day that goes by. Soon, the prison population will overflow with arrogant druggies, but we will live happily ever after. It’s just a matter of time.

    1. There is more violence today than yesterday and yesterday there was more violence than the day before… keep believing however. Law enforcement doesn’t stop violence. It’s a business and business is good. :)

      1.  and besides if business drops off they can make something else illegal and start a war on something new. I think a war on something like caffine could be profitable for the u.s. criminal justice system.

  8. The way I see it the system is failing terribly.  This situation is more than likely caused by either domestic violence or drugs and the system has proven time and again that it is failing in these two matters.  It’s time for the system to REALLY start prosecuting batterers.  Seems the DAs have a tendency to drop the domestic violence in exchange for pleading guilty to something else.  It’s time to listen to those who work with this everyday and start protecting the innocent.  The police need more education and training on how the handle DV.  Now on to the failing drug problem.  There are no in patient recovery programs for people who want to get help.  A family member has recently been SERIOUSLY trying to find a place and the is one with a 5 week waiting list and the other DOES NOT TAKE PRIVATE INSURANCE BUT WILL TAKE MAINE CARE!!!!  The various methadone clinic would take the person but they have wisely chosen not to go that route.  Are we just feeding the pharmaceutical companies?  They are creating the problem and getting rich from the treatment and all the while keeping people on their drugs.  There is always a jail when they break the law ….there should also be treatment when they have insurance and are asking for help.  The system is terribly flawed in both DV and Drug Addiction. 

    1. Which system are you referring to?

      1. The system where government monitors everyones thoughts/activities/actions, directs this information to “action centers”, where subjective decisions are made, and then executed by some “action team” to thwart whatever the offending thought/activity is deemed actionable?, or;

      2. The social service system which was/is designed to intervene after the fact or upon reliable/defensible/verifiable forward looking information from law enforcement/concerned family or citizens? or;

      3. something else?

      What is the system that everyone seems to be referring to? I must have missed that memo.

  9. There are obviously far too many people who should not be owning guns. Not a day goes by without a story of this kind. It’s time to clamp down on gun ownership to ensure that only responsible, law-abiding citizens end up owning them.

    1.  in a country with 330 million with a huge number of urban cities and the volume of guns in the country I think the fact that this doesnt happen dozens of times a day speaks to the fact that most people own guns responsibly.

    2. Assuming that this person had no prior record, how would you have excluded this person from owning them?  Unless we incorporate a crystal ball into the process, it’s going to be tough to stop these types of things.

      Oooh!!  Minority Report!  We just need some more technology so we could tell ahead of time.

      1.  The point isn’t to say “we can do away with all guns.” That is virtually impossible. But common sense says that at least making it as difficult to own guns as possible is better than doing nothing. How many more mass murders will we have to endure before we take this route?

    3. More people everyday are killed by cars than guns.  Let’s ban car ownership.  (Sarcasm in case you don’t get it).  Criminals don’t care about gun laws. 

      1. more people own a motor vehicle than own guns- so of course more people are killed in car accidents than by guns.

          1. Try again guest126.  Statistics please and cite where you get them because I can cite mine: 
            95 percent of American households own a car (excerpted from the Living Book) and  thirty-eight percent of Americans report having a gun in their homes, and another 2% say they have a gun elsewhere on their properties (like in a garage, barn, or car). The percentage of Americans reporting they have a gun in their homes has hovered around the 40% mark since 2000.
            http://www.gallup.com/poll/14509/americans-guns-danger-defense.aspx

      2.  Poor analogy. Cars are IMPERATIVE for most people who need transportation. Guns are not a necessity.

        1. A drivers license is a priveledge not a right. We require people to take and pass a written and road test prior to issuing a drivers license. 

          Gun ownership is a right (please keep reading) guaranted in both the U.S. and Maine Constitution. However, reasonable limits are permitted (just like free speech can be limited in certain cases) on this right. 

          IMHO if we require a person to take a written and road test prior to issuing a drivers license we should require at a minimum a firearm safety course prior to the purchase of any firearm. And if the person wants to carry a concealed firearm they should be required to pass a concealed weapons class just like we require a person that wants to drive an 18-wheeler take and pass another test before they can drive a “BST” (big scary truck) on the open road.

    4. There are also a lot of people who should not own alcohol nor a vehicle- but what can we do? Ban anything a person has a weakness toward? I knew a kid who got stabbed with a pencil? Do we restrict pencil ownership for aggressive 5th graders???

    5. Pure Speculation as of now:
      Sounds like another horribly sad domestic issue.  If somebody is distraught and unbalanced enough to kill a love interest, girlfriend, wife etc., then it won’t matter if they have a gun.  Look back at the big stories the last few years: Stabbings, choking, beating significant others to death, even pushing a wife off a cliff.  You want to treat a symptom.

      I agree there are people who shouldn’t own guns, but unfortunately those are the very people who don’t care what you, I, or the law has to say.

      1. ^ Exactly. The only people who will adhere to stricter gun control are the law-abiding citizens– the ones who have every right to protect themselves from crazy criminals who don’t follow rules at all.

        1. As do many other Mainers.  What a tragic loss and sorry you are experiencing it at such a young age, Heidi.

      1. Our prayers are with you and your family. Your post made me tear up and I can’t imagine how you must be feeling right now…

      2. Heidi – I am sorry for your loss of your mother and the tragic circumstances that took place today. Please know that people do really care about victims of violence and the pain they suffer. May God give you strength and peace.

      3.  I can’t imagine what you are going through right now but please know that you are in the thoughts and prayers of many people.

      4. She was a strong woman. Caring, intelligent, hard working, talented, friendly, funny,  creative, and would give anyone the shirt off her back if they needed it. I strive to be more like her in many ways. She loved you and her grandson with every ounce of her being. I am so sad she is gone, but so glad she was your mother.

      5. I am so sorry for the loss of your Mom. To the rest of her family and friends I also send my sympathies. To his family I also must send sympathy. I am saddened by the ignorance stated by others on this site. It’s not about casinos or even gun control. It’s about Domestic Violence. Abuse by a man on a women. We need to stop this violence in our world. I wish your mom had been spared the ultimate worst consequence. I as a survivor know that could have been me. I will never forget your Mom in my travels and speakings. I will carry her memory with me. My boyfriend was her oil delivery man and says nothing but good about your mom. Best wishes to you.

  10. I could care less about Gun Control or Guns, bottom line is people are always going to find a way to kill people. It’s part of the human condition.  What fascinates me though is how ready some of you sound to pull out your guns and shoot somebody if need be. Do you really feel it would be that easy?

    1.  I’ve been saying the same thing for years to all those who brag about “packing.” What are you gonna do, shoot someone? As if.

      1. It’s pretty unfair of you to just assume what actions people would or wouldn’t take. Have you ever been in a situation like this?

        1. I stand by my comment. So you carry a concealed weapon…what are you gonna do, get in a gunfight with someone?

          1. Way to prove my point about you assuming things. I don’t carry. However, if I did and I found it necessary to defend my own life or those of my friends and family, yes I believe I would fire on someone.

          2. I didn’t mean to personalize it, sco2…I should have said  “so one carries a concealed weapon,” etc.

            But I think people watch too many Hollywood Westerns. Life isn’t like the movies. To me it’s just  common sense…you don’t give everyone a weapon and then expect to have a safer society.

          3. You’re correct koufax you “don’t give everyone a weapon and then expect to have a safer society”.

            It is a tremendous responsibilty and one a person should never take lightly. If you are not willing to learn firearm safety, the laws surrounding firearms and concealed carry, spend hours and hours on the range learning every aspect of your firearm we as a society would be far better off if that person did not purchase that firearm in the first place.

            As a society we often have a “knee jerk” reaction to many things. We purchase things on impulse and “believe” we are “safer” because we did. We don’t allow people to drive a car without a license. Why? Because there are rules and it is a tremendous responsibility driving a 2,000-7,000 pound vehicle down the road. Why do we only require training for someone that wants to hunt or carry a concealed weapon. Any responsible gun owner should support a minimum level of fire arm safety prior to purchasing any rifle, shotgun, revolver or pistol. 

            As a gun owner I would not hesitate to require basic firearm safety classes prior to the purchase of a firearm. I would also support a concealed weapons class before the issuing of a concealed weapons permit. 

          4. Great post, jd. But I don’t think requiring responsible gun ownership begins to address the issue of violent crime. Those who take responsibility to abide by rules and regulations and learn to use a gun properly are not the criminal type. So what do we do about those who AREN’T responsible? Obviously laws in  and of themselves are not enough of  a deterrent to prevent murders…

            Compounding the problem is the fact that laws are often only enforced AFTER an episode like Colorado. What can our society do in the way of preventive measures? Your reasoning seems pretty sound, so I would value your opinion.

    2. Lets face it, though, guns make it a lot easier to kill people, in an instant, at distance.  Only a firearm can do those things and I think that’s why people make the distinction.

      More to the point, I think you’re right, if something went down, most people would not want to get involved, unless it directly invovled them.  You already see all this behavior all over the place.  

      1.  It has also been shown that “good samaritans” that act in a robbery situation are more likely to create an incident where someone gets hurt. Granted, that’s partly because a robber wants to rob & isn’t typically out to harm anyone unless something “goes wrong”

  11. What would Israel do. Remember the highjacking years ago, when they decided Israel would be a good place to seek asylum. never happened again.

  12. Geez, a lot of info updated here. If I was the gun man I would probably be doing something like checking news sources to see what is being said or done…now he can prepare for the battering ram cause it’s coming ! Hope this all works out peacefully and all are safe.

    1. You can’t stop a battering ram or tear gas….unless of couse you have a gas mask.  Sad to say that I just don’t see a positive resolution to this scenario…

  13. McGlaughlins Seafood restaurant at the Marina is closed, obviousely. They hope to open at 4:00PM

  14. A major rule of procedure for the teams at the scene:  Make sure the person of interest in actually in the building that you are surrounding and focusing in on…..

        1. Right but it says no kid says man and woman.  Usually it was say child and mother.  Either way its sad.

  15. A sad day for family and friends of the deceased….my thoughts are for strength to deal with such tragedy…..

  16. Kudos to Nok-Noi Ricker, Kevin Bennett and the Bangor Daily News for an excellent job keeping up with and reporting on these events as they happened. No television reporting even came close in covering the story.

  17. Let’s see…cars kill so we can ban them…Smoking kills so we can ban them, eating kills so we must ban that…Breathing kills so let’s do away with that too…I wish the idiots that believe guns kill people would wake up and realize that guns don’t move without a PERSON.  PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!  So why don’t we ban people too…Banning things isn’t the solution….punishing the morons that commit the crimes using weapons is a step in the right direction…:)  Just my thoughts…Have a great weekend….and watch out for the guns that are walking around on their own LOL

  18. Very sad to hear this, gun control is a non-issue in cases like this, people that kill in this type of situation just use any means at hand…..

  19. Blame the government all you want , but it’s the actions of the citizens of this country that will force gun control. No one should have to put up will being gunned down at work, outings, movie halls, schools, shopping centers, crosswalks, or at home. Without self control, we will be controlled by others. Just the way it is.

    1.  Its a lack of accountability. We don’t punish criminals and the rest of society see’s that. there needs to be ZERO tolerance for domestic violence and any other crime such as aggravated assault. Pain is the best teacher even for the dumbest criminals. The Nanny state has allowed everyone to think they are a “victim”. Most people are adults who make choices – and need to be responsible for their actions. Guns aren’t the problem. Malicious people are the problem – some will use anything they want to destroy the lives of others. But again who is keeping them accountable. Not the “criminal justice system”. They have video games and cable TV in the Maine State Prison for crying out loud.

  20. So sad my heart is breaking for this family, The woman shot was a very sweet lady she had a heart of gold she leaves behind her only child and grandbaby which are in a different state but they were her world. And its not all about gun control people. My thoughts and prayers are with this family.

  21. UNBELIEVABLE! My family originally owned the house where this murder took place. My great grandfather built it for one of my uncles. Then my great grandmother used to spend the winters here because the main house was too large for her. (The houses were on the same property.)

  22. Yeah, banning guns wouldn’t change anything…People would still be killing each other with potatoes, stawberries, mangoes, blue berries, paper airplanes, water pistols…..It would never end…Just arm everyone as Archie Bunker would say…

  23. Could someone tell me why they call it a ‘standoff’? As reported, as of 11:30-noon, law enforcement ‘still did not know what they were dealing with’,  then, an hour or so later, I imagine after they ‘rammed’ the door’  is when they discovered the bodies in the kitchen.  Were any shots fired between 7 am and 1pm when the bodies were discovered?  If not.. then, why call it a ‘standoff’ when the only ones left standing were law enforcement?  Would it not have been just as logical to perhaps use the ‘eyes of life’ that is used by firefighters when trying to determine if there is anyone inside a building?  Would this equipment not serve this situation as well?  If you have bodies prone and not moving, and no others in the building, then why so many LE?  Why not break a window to get in instead of punching a hole through?  I know… I know… it’s just sometimes the obvious just isn’t obvious is it?.  Happens to me all the time.

    1. Police go into this high risk situation where someone has a firearm and already killed someone as a “standoff”. You have to treat any situation with an active shooter seriously. The timing of whether the shooter is deceased or not is secondary to the safety of the police officers. Local law enforcement have a lot of training in this these days and no one with a conscience would want them to endanger themselves when one person is dead and a secondary person is armed and willing to kill. There is a lot of “suicide by cop” now too where armed individuals will point a firearm at a police officer in hopes to be shot. The world is crazy and there is a wide array of crazy people. I speak of the shooter, not the lady who was murdered.

  24. Shouldn’t we be talking about domestic violence instead of gun control? I do not have any of the facts in this case but it seems anyone who can kill another person and then themselves will find some way to do it whether it be a gun or some other handy weapon. The real question should be what causes this type of violence in the first place? And can it be prevented?

    1. Most of these comments are about gun control because for much of the day the story was that there was a standoff…it wasn’t until the afternoon that police entered the house and found the two dead after a domestic dispute. I agree, the conversations should change now that the story has. 

    1. I am so sorry to hear this happened today to your mom, i just left the garage this morning where the cops were stationed and heard sirens.  Thought something bad was going on.  I knew your mom very sweet person.  Rest in peace 

  25. I read about half of these comments, with no mention of the two people who are no longer alive—–How very sad it is when people feel there is no other way then death–I am so sorry  for any family members that have to deal with this  loss—Sometimes it’s very hard to stay strong.–

  26. This is a tragic loss of life, It cannot be corrected or prevented by banning anything, Only by educating and understanding can stop horrendous crimes like this. Read “The gift of fear” by Gavin Debecker, or buy a copy for a loved one. The signs are there and these things can be prevented only by people understanding what they are looking at. 

  27. Casey was in no way involved in drugs, casinos, nor was she in any way a weak battered woman. I don’t like all of the stereotyping and speculation.

  28. I am so sorry for this woman and her family.  I don’t think much of Gov. LePage, but at least he has taken on the issue of domestic violence.  May this woman always be remembered. 

  29. Stop talking about gun control and start talking about punishing people who hurt others.

    The 2nd amendment is not mainly about people being able to defend themselves against crazy or sick individuals who should be dealt with before they hurt others, IT IS ABOUT PROTECTING OURSELVES FROM OVERBEARING GOVERNMENT!

  30. What a tremendous waste of money.  Why this law enforcement overkill?  They weren’t going up against an army.  Who authorizes this stuff and why aren’t they paying the bill?   

    1. They guy shot and killed his female partner- what do you think he had left to loose?  Nothing. Did you see the nut they just arrested on the interstate with several guns with him and a freaking arsenal at home?  That guy was going to kill his former employer.  Or how about the nut in NH that shot and killed the Greenland police chief and had a standoff with police then shot his female partner and killed himself. Look at Aurora, Colorado.

      The police have no way of knowing if they are dealing with someone who is just ‘having a bad day’ and who may only have a pea shooter or someone who just potentially murdered someone and has 15 AK-47’s at the house…one would think it better to err on the side of caution than to assume the crazy person doesn’t have a potential cannon aimed at the police.  In this day and age unless you have some legal reason for not being allowed to buy a gun- a person can buy as many guns as they want, as big of caliber they want and all the ammunition there is on the planet.  

      So who authorizes this stuff? The second Amendment authorizes this stuff that’s ‘who.’ And we pay for it all either through our taxes to support having the police around to deal with all nuts who can’t quite control themselves or their guns or we pay for it through loss of life like this poor women did.

      1. So domestic violence deaths do not happen in countries that have no firearms?

        Police forces all over the world have equipment like this. It has nothing to do with firearms or access to firearms. It has to do with what desperate people can and will do when they are at the end of their rope.

        1. READ THE STATISTICS……the United States is #4 on the list of most gun violence in the WORLD right behind 1. South Africa  2. Columbia 3. Thailand NONE of which are considered 1st world countries like the United States……now LOOK at ALL the OTHER 1st world countries like the US who have some limitations on gun control and surprisingly enough those countries HAVE LESS gun violence than we do GO FIGURE.
          http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms 

          1.  Don’t obsess over guns. Guns are tools like anything. Many countries have a high number of murder do to illegal guns (guns are banned), knives, bombs, strangulation, or vehicles being used to commit homicide. A crazy person will use whatever they want – it’s up to the sane remnant of society to defend themself and not wait 15-60 minutes for a police officer. Officers are required to protect the public – not individuals at large – response time doesn’t help when seconds count. Those with a law enforcement and military background have some understanding of how quickly things can go from bad to fatal. Situational awareness is great but you need to be able to protect yourself and your lived ones.

          2. Would you like to answer the question asked “T”?

            “So domestic violence deaths do not happen in countries that have no firearms?”

            That was the question asked, please answer that question.

          3. You know the answer to your question as well as any other tool- my point is this:  Let’s compare say….Great Britain (a first world country like the US) and the US regarding gun violence and homicides per year (12 month period.)  Keeping in mind that other countries have some levels of gun control (the common denominator.) 
            Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146Number of Murders, Britain, 2008*: 648
            (Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,240 US murders)Number of Murders by[pdf] firearms, Britain, 2008* 39
            (equivalent to 195 US murders)Comprehend the difference?  Now let’s compare other 1st world countries to the US gun violence rate:

            Country Gun Death Rate per 100,000
            Japan 0.07
            Singapore 0.24
            Taiwan 0.27
            Kuwait 0.37
            England/ Wales 0.4
            Scotland 0.49
            Netherlands 0.55
            Spain 0.74
            Ireland 1.24
            Germany 1.44
            Italy 2.27
            Sweden 2.27
            Denmark 2.48
            Israel 2.56
            New Zealand 2.67
            Australia 2.94
            Belgium 3.32
            Canada 3.95
            Norway 4.23
            Austria 4.48
            Northern Ireland 4.72
            France 5.48
            Switzerland 6.2
            Finland 6.65
            USA 13.47

            It would clearly appear this country has a problem with guns. If youhave statistics and facts you would care to cite feel free to do so.
            The US is the most violent 1st world country in the world….it’s 
            good to have goals.Source: W. Cukier, Firearms Regulation: Canada in the International
            Context, Chronic Diseases in Canada, April, 1998 (statistics updated
            to reflect most recent figures, January 2001)
            http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/International.htmlhttp://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over-9000-murders-by-gun-in-us-39-in-uk.html

          4. The question I am asking is how many domestic violence homicides are there irrespective of method or means?

      2. Pretty sure the 2nd amendment is not about equipping and utilizing civilian law enforcement!

        1. last time I read the second Amendment it protects ‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms’…..police are people (i.e. citizens) and are required to carry a firearm due to the fact that everyone else may also keep and bear arms……funny how that works that way. 

          1. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

            In case you don’t recognize it this is the text of the 2nd amendment, look up the case law in regards to it, I already have do your own research, police not mentioned, all cases decided re: 2nd amendment have found that the founders intent was for it to insure private ownership not in defense of the nation but in defense from the government if the need arose, seems extreme but they were living in extreme times  Funny how facts work!

      3. “…we pay for it all either through our taxes to support having the police around to deal with all nuts who can’t quite control themselves or their guns or we pay for it through loss of life like this poor women did.” (P.S. The singular form of “women” is “woman”. One woman was killed. Not one women.)
        First of all, nuts who can’t quite control themselves or their guns should be dealt with before they kill somebody. Our society is too full of people blaming somebody else for the bad that happens. We need to take responsibility for our ourselves! Teach children to be responsible for their actions, prepare them to protect themselves but not take it our on others… PUNISH those who hurt others… where are the parents of these “nuts”? Didn’t they teach their children not to kill? To take care of their bodies? Not to take drugs?
        Second of all, I sympathize with the woman’s daughter, but as I read her comments, she has no idea of what went wrong. She can’t figure it out. She says the perp was a good man. Come on! The perp came to Maine and then had to pawn gold to get a place to live? I wonder what his employment record in JAX was like…..Mom made a feel-good decision to take him in, but she showed very poor judgment in taking up with him. Daughter please try to draw a conclusion here, so you and other (mostly females) learn from this tragedy.
        Third of all, history is full of examples of governments taking away guns… think Hitler, think Stalin.
        Fourth of all, your logic is wrong. You fail to mention factors other than guns as a reason for high gun violence rates (if I believe your stats). You should also take into consideration our laws that protect the perps more than the victims, our lawyers, our immigration rate (i.e. in Japan there is a much more homogeneous society, with similar goals and values). I could go on and on, but TLMMSW, do not blame guns on a high gun violence rate without considering other factors besides guns. It is not intellectually honest.
         

  31. So sorry  this happend.  The guy was from Jacksonville Florida.  They love their guns and they love to control.   Prayers are going out to Katherine Hunts family.  

    1.  Great job of stereotyping every citizen of Jacksonville, Florida. Your comment is absolutely ridiculous. This man was also Black. Are you going to stereotype him by his skin color as well? I’m shocked at such rude comments on this site.

        1.  Jacksonville is definitely a very ghetto city – this man may have been seemingly normal before he snapped. All speculation here.

        2. Well you’ve made a rude sweeping generalization of an entire city and it’s population- which adds nothing to conversation and is simply not needed in this comment thread.

    2.  I agree. We’re lucky here in Maine, We have no control freaks, and no one here would think about owning a gun. Just ask Amy Lake…. Oops, that’s right you can’t. 

  32. AK-47? I dont think think that is standard police issue. I believe it may have been a AR-15.

    1.  The news doesn’t understand details – I’m surprised the Bangor Daily didn’t report a trooper with an RPG

  33. this is just so sad.  Her daughter lives out of state and found out on facebook.  My thoughts and prayers go out to her family and friends.  And as far as the gunman, he can rot in hell

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