BANGOR, Maine — Revelations in a Maine State Police report that the Rev. Robert Carlson sexually abused multiple children have raised questions about how he got away with it for decades, especially since the report revealed police officers, detectives, a former university president and others expressed concerns about Carlson’s disturbing behavior with young people.
Carlson was a serial child sex abuser, Lt. Christopher Coleman, commander of the Maine State Police’s Major Crimes Unit for the northern part of the state, said after the 104-page report was made public Wednesday. Carlson abused children for decades and “it caused a lot of trauma to many people,” the lieutenant said.
“Clearly the report indicates there are several victims and there may be more out there,” Coleman said. “There may be other victims out there who did not participate in this process.”
Robert Gossart of Salisbury Cove, the Maine representative for Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, also known as SNAP, said there is one major reason criminals such as Carlson and Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State assistant football coach who recently was convicted of 45 counts of child sexual abuse, got away with their deviant crimes for so long.
“Stupid pedophiles get caught,” Gossart, who himself was sexually abused by a clergy member as a young boy, said Thursday. “The smart ones are the most dangerous. They get into positions of power and gain the trust of parents and of communities, and easy access to children. Smart abusers are in control. It has happened hundreds of times.”
Carlson was a well-known and well-liked community leader. He was the president of Penobscot Community Health Care, chaplain for police and fire departments and Husson University, a pastor at East Orrington Congregational Church, and was recognized by the Boy Scouts days before he died.
When a child is sexually abused, “there is a feeling of shock, helplessness and guilt, often to the point where the abused think it was all their fault,” Gossart said. Perpetrators twist the truth and “the guilt is put on the back of the victim.”
He added, “Most survivors do not speak. They are forced into silence, a painful silence. They think no one will believe them, and oftentimes they are right.”
What survivors of sexual abuse should know is that it is not their fault and they are not alone, Beverly Fortson, a behavioral scientist with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said recently at a conference in Florida.
Child sexual abuse affects “one-in-four girls and one-in-six boys by age 18,” she said. “Most of it goes unreported,” and, in her opinion, the numbers are “really underestimated.”
Most child sexual abuse, an estimated 90 percent of all reported incidents, involves people known to the young victims, and of that number, 60 percent are family members such as stepfathers or friends, Fortson said.
Most offenders are male, she added.
“It’s not the fault of the victim. It’s the fault of the perpetrator,” Fortson said.
According to the CDC, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services investigated more than 40,000 child sexual abuse cases in 2010, including 4,072 involving Maine children.
Carlson committed suicide Nov. 13, 2011, by jumping from the Penobscot Narrows Bridge, just three days after Maine State Police began their child sexual abuse investigation and the day after Penobscot County Sheriff Glenn Ross, his longtime friend, informed him of the investigation.
Dr. Erik Steele, a Bangor physician and chief medical officer of Eastern Maine Healthcare Systems,said Thursday that the lack of action by people who had hints that criminal behavior was happening is another reason pedophiles get away with their crimes.
It’s all about disbelief and denial, he said.
“I think first and foremost we can’t believe it of these people,” Steele said. “It’s almost unimaginable. If … a favorite high school teacher or a community leader like Carlson [is abusing children], you just can’t believe it.”
He said he was “stunned and embarrassed into subsequent silence” after his favorite male high school teacher tried unsuccessfully to have sex with him when he was a teenager, and only came forward about his own personal experiences after Carlson committed suicide.
It’s this disbelief that causes adults to minimize evidence and fail to respond to the red flags of possible abuse, he said, adding that people don’t want to believe.
“If I saw Bob Carlson rob a bank, I’d call 911 or call police,” Steele said. “We don’t treat [child sex abuse] as a crime, and we don’t call police often enough.”
Victims are not alone, and they should know it’s not their fault and that healing is possible, said Christopher Anderson, who has family in Gouldsboro and is executive director of Minnesota-based MaleSurvivor, a not-for-profit organization committed to preventing, healing and eliminating all forms of sexual victimization of boys and men.
“Our culture still stigmatizes and shames victims into silence,” he said Thursday. “In the past 18 years, our organization has helped provide hope, healing and support to hundreds of thousands of survivors, their loved ones, and the professionals who work with them.”
It is often assumed that victims are doomed to a life of pain and struggle, but it “absolutely is possible for survivors of childhood sexual abuse to fully heal and recover a life,” Anderson said. “It’s true the burden of abuse is heavy, but with help, survivors can put back the pieces of their souls that were shattered.”
The sister of one of Carlson’s victims, who was an 11-year-old boy when Carlson befriended the family and is now a 52-year-old man living in Bangor, said Thursday that her brother never knew that Carlson was sexually abusing others.
“It made him sick to think that other kids had gone through it,” she said. “I think in his head, he thought it was his fault.”
Eight months after Carlson ’s suicide ended four decades of abuse against her brother, he is now recovering.
“He’s looking good and sounding good and I think it’s going to get better,” the man’s sister said. “My husband said Carlson got off easy. Sandusky is in jail, but I think [Carlson] would still be trying to contact my brother if he was here and this way he can’t.”
“He took a father, a son, a brother and uncle,” and “now we’re free,” she said.
The pastor of the East Orrington Congregational Church, where Carlson was a senior pastor for 25 years, said members of his church are not hiding from the truth of Carlson’s horrific actions.
“We’ve been upfront for eight months,” the Rev. Carl Schreiber said Thursday. “It hasn’t rested but it’s no longer a weight that we’re going to carry. We’re moving forward and we’ve been moving forward.
“We’re saddened, but we’re not going to dwell on the horrors of life,” he added. “We’re certainly praying with the victims and praying with the families and praying with any of the people who [knew] Bob. I think everybody in that category is saddened by what has happened.”
While the public image Carlson had in the Bangor area was positive, it does not outweigh his criminal behavior.
He is not a good guy who did bad; he was a bad guy who did some good, Steele said.
“There are other Bob Carlsons out there and they’re doing it now and people have suspicions” they are failing to report, the Bangor physician said. “A crime is being committed and a child is being harmed.
“Don’t be deceived,” Steele added. “Don’t talk yourself out of it. Go to the authorities. The Bob Carlson story is: There is more to do.”
I’ll point out what decent people already know, that if you know about stuff like this going on and you do nothing about it, you’re an accomplice, maybe not legally, but certainly morally. I think that every time a pedophile in a position of trust is discovered, a massive investigation should ensue to determine exactly who knew what and when they knew it.
There were cases that were reported. They simply vanished.
um… go to East Orrington Congregational Church and see how they have this serial child rapist’s picture and name adorning the wall in “Carlson Hall”, where children meet, before you put too much stock in Pastor Carl’s assurance that EOCC “isnt hiding from the truth” and is “moving on”. HEY CARL: TEAR DOWN THE PLAQUE ALREADY, and beg forgiveness from the community for not doing it sooner.
Bravo! Some of us have been trying to convince him of this since day 1. Not kidding. Imagine being a victim from an abusive past and you wander into that church and see all that. You inquire about this guy, and they tell you his history. If I were that victim I would bolt so fast.
Dealing with the truth also includes dealing with the shame that all of his parishioners and the secondary victims in the community feel, at some level. Shame as in: “Why didn’t I see it? How could I have been duped/betrayed?” By taking down all references/honors/scholarships at EOCC, you help all of those victims realize they no longer need to feel ashamed for being duped. It sounds complicated, but it works.
JoePa was removed. The same must happen at EOCC or the culture of secret-keeping will go on and on. Not a parish I want to be part of.
Another one in denial, if i was member I would not go thru the door or donate a penny until there was a reckoning re: carlson. If they still have signs and photos up, they still believe the “good” outweighs the bad. He only played the part of a minister to allow himself to engage in his most deviant desires. Tear down the photos and burn them, change the name of the room.
why would you even go through the damn doors? i’d find another church
Or even better … no church at all. What is wrong with these catholics that they continue to support this global cult of pedophiles? Do they really believe that a black cloak and a white collar or a funny hat can camouflage evil?
Carlson wasn’t Catholic. Read the article before commenting.
He was not a Catholics, he was a posing as a prodistant minister. His Catholic gab also bothered me as a child as prodistant clergy never dress like this man did. He did this I beleive inorder to make himself look more important than he was.
The church is a Congregational church. That would make Carlson a Congregationalist. I used to go to that church as a child. I got over it.
Yes, Congregationalist is a type of Protestant.
There are actually about three different denominations in Maine that bear the name Congregationalist. I would not blame all Congregationalists for what Pastor Carlson did, and I would not blame all Catholics for what some priests did (actually a small percentage of priests in a very large denomination).
Some parents, babysitters, psychiatrists, teachers, coaches, etc., have abused children. That doesn’t mean that all parents, babysitters, psychiatrists, teachers, and coaches are bad people.
Where did I say anything about the church or the congregation being bad? I simply said I went there as a child. That was about 50 years ago. I got over it. Period. I never said any specific church or group of people were bad. I said Carlson was a Congregationalist, which was true. Thanks for your concern over my statement.
I didn’t say that you said anything at all. If you re-read my post, you’ll notice that I was talking about what I think. I don’t make any assumptions about what you believe.
It would appear the “camoflouge” he chose to wear made him a more effective predator/hunter of victims. He wore this garb as a means to deceive people and earn..no STEAL their trust. Protestant ministers do not generally wear the black cloaks and white colors. I agree with guest126. His chosen attire made it easier for him to indulge in his own deviant desires and had nothing to do with doing God’s work. Along with the victims and their families lives that he has greatly damaged, he’s brought an undeserved blemish of doubt on the many churches that are represented by bodies of very good and ethical people who do no indulge nor condone his deplorable behavior. Just a sick evil tragedy all the way around.
Some Protestant clergy do wear clerical collars, but I always thought Carlson overdid it — and I agree with those who think he wanted to look important.
I met him once, by the way, but did not know him.
Yes, he was Protestant (more specifically Congregationalist, and there are at least three different Congregationalist denominations represented in Maine). Actually, many Protestant clergy do wear clerical collars. However, I do agree that he seemed to want to look important.
He was not Catholic.
Amen!
East Orrington is a church of shame. They are no better than the Catholic Church and it’s glorified Pope who knew what was going on for years.
It’s not enough to blow this off as an innocent failure of people to speak out – it actually was much more sinister than that. Some community members actively covered this up and did favors for Carlson to protect him. Others lied to the authorities, avoided them or violated the public trust by tipping Carlson off. There need to be prosecutions.
Yea ok, and your proof is where?
Had you bothered to read the police report, you’d see where I’m coming from. There were crimes committed here, in addition to those of Carlson.
I believe you but what were the crimes. I have not read the report.
Sheriff Ross interfered with an investigation for one. If you or I did this we would be arrested.
Beardsley at Husson was told by multiple people about Carlson….along with a therapist at Husson who said at least 6 students were counseled by her and other therapists there dealt with other victims.
Where does this info come from?
I believe it is on page 103
My proof is in 15 years of suffering the humiliation of being railroaded from my career and hometown. He didn’t do all of this to me without the assistance of those in power in town.
I am sorry if you were a victim of this evil man firecap66. I am from Orrington and I knew this man also. I always thought he was sick, but I never knew how sick… I wish you well and hope that you will heal from this.
Yes sir, you are living proof of the deep malice of Carlson, and the botched civilization which protected him.
Read the report Wayno…Many of us have read it…The DA hasn’t bothered to read it yet.
The problem is the evil sick people who did not thing and let this go on . They all should be charged and in jail.
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Question is will Chris Almy do the right thing and go after the people who failed in there duty ?
Excellent article. Good job BDN.
It’s a start. They need to stop calling him Reverend. He was never ordained.
Please stop calling him Rev. He was a Fraud.
Google
“North American Man/Boy Love Association”.It’s sick!
Yeah, I noticed most of these clerical abuse stories are homosexual in nature. Very sick.
There is a huge difference between being a homosexual and being a pedophile. If you learn the difference I believe you will find that most clerical abuse stories are about pedophiles, not homosexuals.
How ridiculous!
Now groups like NAMBLA are not comprised of homosexuals!
Who are they, the Marines?
NAMBLA is an association of pedophiles.
Are you saying there are no homosexuals in the Marine Corps? You would be sadly mistaken.
Melora don’t confuse homosexuality with child molestation. They are not one in the samething even if they are the same sex. In fact this maybe that there is more a tendency to keep a better eye on our girls and talk to them more about pervs than we do out boys. We all think the boys are safer than the girls. Truth is more boys are molested than girls.
dr steele is not cmo at emhs btw.
Yes he is, btw…..http://www.emhs.org/about-us/Leadership.aspx
sorry i thought they said emmc. not emhs
Easy to mis-read…..I usually screw up EMMC & EMCC…..
also very easy to misread, espescially late at night!
I understand how in certain circumstances that people should speak up. But without hard concrete evidence, it is really hear say. If someone actually witnessed something with their own eyes, then yes, it should have been reported immediately.
No, they should report what they know and let the authorities make the determination regarding the evidence. If they get enough “hearsay” stories they might see that the situation is worth digging into more deeply.
Chapter 1071: CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES AND CHILD PROTECTION ACT
Subchapter 2: REPORTING OF ABUSE OR NEGLECT
§4011-A. Reporting of suspected abuse or neglect
1. Required report to department. The following adult persons shall immediately report or cause a report to be made to the department when the person knows or has REASONABLE CAUSE TO SUSPECT (emphasis mine) that a child has been or is likely to be abused or neglected or that a suspicious child death has occurred:
A. When acting in a professional capacity:
(13) A school official;
(22) A mental health professional;
(23) A law enforcement official;
(30) A sexual assault counselor;
http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/22/title22sec4011-a.html
The state law is very clear, they list 32 occupations that are mandated reporters and the above four pretty much covers every occupation mentioned in the MSP report.
So JD would not even MR. Gastia have a Reasonable cause to suspect if 2 of his officers were investigating him? One would think the report back to him what they are doing. I known. (Been a long time since I had a talk with Ron). I gave you a like . We do not always agree but I respect your opinions .
You pose a very interesting question. I don’t expect Chief Gastia reviews each and every report made. But it really doesn’t matter if the two officers reported it to their supervisor or not because Maine law requires a mandated reporter to make a phone call to DHHS Child Protective Services and make a report there.
I will use myself for an example. When I am on duty and in my official capacity I am required by law to report suspected cases of child and elder abuse and neglect to Adult and Child’s Emergency Services 24/7 at 800-452-1999. It is not enough to for me to report it to my supervisor. I must make that report myself.
And if I am wrong in my reasonable suspicion, well I am protected from civil liability by the same law that mandates that I make that report.
The reason for this are evident in this case. By my count 6+ individuals had “reasonable cause to suspect” child abuse either was or had occurred and they did nothing.
So I believe that the officers in this case failed the victims (now if you follow my posts I do not often criticize the actions of a police officer) in at least two ways. 1) they never questioned obviously questionable actions by Carlson, and 2) they never made called and reported their “reasonable” suspicions. This is especially true in the case of the two Bangor officers that considered placing surveillance cameras in a dark parking lot. If that isn’t “reasonable” suspicion I don’t know what is.
Ok Maybe he did not review the reports maybe he did???? That being said being commanding officer he should have instruct the other officers to report it if they felt abuse happend.
The thing is every single police officer, EMT and fire fighter in the state know they are required by law to make that phone call in cases like this. It’s not new and the law dates to at least the mid 1980s.
I am not trying to be argumenative in the least…it’s just in my opinion the two Bangor officers did not do what the law requires them to do. If they had Carlson might have been stopped long before last November. In other words, those two officers are personally responsible for Carlson’s continued sexual abuse of children.
Pfffft!
Is anything I posted inaccurate bernie?
Is there some inaccuracy in my post that you would like to address Cap?
Thanks we agree on something. I just go even further . If the chief new . I am thinking most investigations he dose or should . Would it not be his job to make sure they reported it. (Never mind). Maybe it was reported to DHHS and covered up ? We just need all the cards on the table so this never happens again. When trooper foss got caught in like 91 . A friend of minds dad said just weeks before he died the biggest regrete he had in his life was being a deacon and not allowed to say anything. Most people bow to athority its human nature. Are thier others? Like I said we do not agree most the time . I have lost a few jobs for doing the right thing for far less . I am just one of those people that really do not care what people think of me if I feel I am doing the right thing.
Yes all the cards need to be out and placed on the table. Another poster suggested a “special prosecutor” should be appointed to review everything so we can hopefully insure this doesn’t happen again.
On another not, call it good news if you can get by why the laws was changed (the RCC Priest molestation cases), but in 2003 the Maine law on mandated reporters was amended to include: “Any person affiliated with a church or religious institution who
serves in an administrative capacity or has otherwise assumed
a position of trust or responsibility to the members
of that church or religious institution, while acting in that capacity,
regardless of whether the person receives
compensation.”
As far as I am concerned every single rock needs to be overturned and a very bright light needs to be shined on the dirt to find all the bugs.
Well said . Thanks .
As a victim of s..xual abuse myself, I thought this article had some great advice regarding victims and abuse in general, however, I do not think anyone fully recovers. Also the statue of limitations in most states is too short to report such a crime. Most victims don’t deal with what they went through until they are older and realize how much they have been psychologically affected by the abuse. In my own case I did file a police report but that was all I could do. The police said it will be on file if anyone else ever comes forward. The statues of limitations need to be extended and more awareness. I also think anyone who works with children (doctors, teachers, etc.) should have a rule in effect that they can not be alone with a child. Another school employee, for example, would need to be present. They do this in some doctor offices I have noticed, where the nurse remains when the patient undergoes an exam.
If they don’t have two people in your doctors office for exams Melora its time to find another doctor and report him/her. As for the stat of limits on crimes commited in maine regarding children, there is on Statute or limits any longer
In the beginning he is still referred to as “Rev. Bob Carlson.” Why are reporters stuck on stupid?
Because its a story and brings out the anger in people. We all know that Carlson was a real disgusting pig. Not a Rev. but a skinner.
Alot of people suspected Carlson to the point they talked about it and noted it.
I guess it seems we have the I keep your secret you keep mine elites group in Bangor.
I guess Carlson became a weak link. Why would he keep other peoples secrets if his was exposed.
Nobody knows for sure if Carlson was alone at the Bridge that night.
One thing for sure, for a small city there seems to be alot of courption
So are all of these people who did not report him going to be nailed to a tree like Joe Paterno was? Are we going to take down their plaques and statues and tag their respective job providers with fines and penalties? Will they all lose their jobs because they didn’t report it? Something tells me not because the media will not be spending day after day, hour after hour, talking about this. The same media who spent day after day, hour after hour, praising Joe Paterno for the job he did “making men.” Our media, the biggest bunch of hipocritical morons walking the earth.
I say you keep holding “the media’s” feet to the fire. They are only people, with jobs.
E-mail them, call them, info is at bottom of this page (Contact Us) also the TV, radio stations, other newspapers, and also get onto the public officials: LePage, Board of Trustees at Husson, the city and town councils with plaques, etc. re: Carlson.
By it’s nature the “media” will always move onto the next big thing…it is what they report, it is called “the News” after all, not the “olds.”
Everyone, at the very least, write an e-mail now to the BDN’s editor:
mdowd@bangordailynews.com
Sorry Smarten_Up, I have to much hate for the dramatized media. The only reason I comb these articles online is to find the latest in stupidity written by the various reporters, and criticize it. There have been many nice things written about Mr Carlson over the years, but you won’t find those anymore because the papers have pulled them from the net. Now they spend all the time they can stringing this man up. The sports media did the same thing with Joe Paterno. If y0u wrote, or said nice things about someone, and now those people are questionable people, just say, “I thought he was a nice person, I guess I was wrong.” Then move on. Don’t spend hour after hour trying to hide the fact that you once stood up for this man. I will NEVER EVER use the media to help make sure someone pays. That’s the job of our law enforcement, and criminal justice system. If we let people like Nancy Dis-Grace bring people down, this whole country will be in jail and we will watch her from behind prison walls.
I would have to say anyone who Knew and did nothing in my opinion is a worse person that Carlson was . He was plainly sick . But by covering up for him all those years when he could have been stopped is just as Evil. How many others are covered up for?
Are you including the victims as well, that is, should they be incarcerated? Of course I don’t think that’s what you meant. But what about 15 to 17 year old victims? Don’t they know any better? Although I am not suggesting they should be incarcerated or even publicized, I think they bear some of the blame. A lot of young males adolescents are approached for sexual favors by adults, even adults they trusted in. Yet they managed to resist because they knew better. Should they be expected to report this to authorities?
I Am including every professional person that should report abuse law. medical, churches, teachers , Firemen etc . I would even Dare say if 2 Bangor policemen suspected even had a stakeout . NO way Gastia could not have Known if he was doing his job. It goes even higher if Gastia knew or suspected ( witch he must have) MR. ALmay himself should have known . They did nothing they even let him around Boyscouts . No warning he was being investigated? Wait they gave up because they did not have good lighting? MR. Almay compared the Brownville mother to being a child molester How many more pedophiles around kids are they covering for??????
this is the messed up world we live in. evil comes in many ways. people should learn from this and do the right thing next time. he is dead and gone. the people who didnt report it will have to live with that the rest of there days. do the right thing people. learn fom it and move on. simple as that.
I was once helping a person who had lived a life of guilt due to a sexual attack. He stated that he had walked to the store when he was not suposed to when he was about 11 and had been sexually asaulted by a man. He told me how it was his fault because he had done something (walked to the store) when he was not suposed to. I said “really”? Then I continued…”so you said that you have a young son who is about 11 years old”? He said “yes”, so I said “so, if he walks to the store when he is not supposed to and he gets attacked and sexually assaulted then it is his own fault, right”? You should have seen the shock on his face as he realized the reality of what I was trying to tell him. I feel so sorry for the victums of this man and for the victums of so many others like him. Please victums realize that the shame is thiers and not yours. Most of you now have children of your own….is it their faults if they become victums? NO!!! This so called man had many many people dooped, that’s what predeters do. Try if you can to educate the community. Do what you can to assist in bringing others to justice who you know have been involved. Honestly, as hard as it is to confront this, it is soooo rewarding when you help others or save others from a life of substance abuse or mental health issues because you helped victums to realize that “it was not their fault”!!!
closing the case just sends the message that he did it, people knew about it, he got away with it and it’s okay… i really feel for the victims. who knows how many of them are out there. a friend freaked when he saw this case first break in the news because he became suspicious of bob when he saw him with young men out by the hope house on “pickle hill.” disgustingly sad and unbelievable.. the corruption.
Oh yes, step forward, voice your suspicions that not is all as it seems and watch your career, your family life, your reputation go down the drain and be driven from your hometown in shame. Then wait 15 years until you are proven right in your suspicions and try and get your job, reputation and family honor back.
I’m here to tell you it just doesn’t happen that way.
I’m proof of that.
You’ll get sold out by every one of the sheeples that have blindly followed and you’ll be left hanging out to dry with a bad taste in your mouth, a black spot on your heart that will never completely heal and family that had to pay the price for you daring to speak out against a pillar of the community.
And then, after all that, you can hold your breath and wait for those that were indeed wrong to say they were sorry or to try and assist you in putting your life back together.
I do hold a grudge for what was done to me on account of this individual and for those that were too blind to see the truth, but were quick and very willing to side with the “Good Reverend”.
You know who you are and only my sense of decency prevents me from naming you publicly and causing you the shame you deserve.
I’ll be checking my email for your apologies.
firecap66 @yahoo.com
Sorry those people let you down. People don’t like to have their own little life disturbed no matter who it hurts. Especially if the victim has little status and the perpertrator is high in that primative hierarchy.
It is obvious that we haven’t traveled far from the “Tree” and that we have to submit to others with more testosterone and follow them blindly. God forbid that we have the audacity to confront our superiors. I wish you well.
But Bangor has become so twisted and corrupt, I am frankly surprised the city does not replace the statue of Paul Bunyan with one of Bob Carlson.
If Carlson had gone undetected much longer, Bangor certainly would have had more plaques and monuments in his honor.
sick…but true..
Cap did you report it to DHHS Child Protective Services?
jd2008jd
How dare you even comment on my posts!
When this all began, you were one of the first to ridicule me and belittle me in your comments to my posts.
I’d love to tell you more, but I know you would just have my comments flagged again and have me banned from posting.
You Sir are trolling and should be ashamed of yourself.
OK cap nice non answer. I don’t “flag” people’s posts unless the call for violence or use very bigoted language. Since your post do neither a “flag” from me is not forthcoming.
Now that we have that out of the way did you report what happened to DHHS Child Protective Services?
In my eyes, you do not rate any replies. You’re a non-entity.
All your future posts will be ignored.
Have a nice day.
So the answer to the question asked is you didn’t report your beliefs, suspicions, feelings to DHHS Child Protective Services and tried to handle it on your on.
The following comment is general in nature and an observation of human nature in general and not directed at you specifically.
That’s the problem. People see something that raises a question in their mind and don’t report it to the people that can do something about it but decide for whatever reason to “handle” it on their on. This allows the person you suspect to “reason” with you and some how “convenience” the person that what they saw is not what they saw.
You can also make the mistake of going to the persons supervisor and making you observations know to them. Depending on how “good” a relationship they have with that person will be reflected in what they do with the suspicion you raised with them.
It is always a mistake to attempt to handle situations like this yourself when there is a mechanism to report and DHHS CPS oS mandated to investigate every single report that comes in.
But I am willing to bet a months pay that no one reported anything to DHHS CPS and the abuse continued for years and years.
Again Cap the above is not meant as an attack on you but general observations of human nature and a desire for people to not believe what they think a person cannot possible do because “they know he/she couldn’t possibly do that”.
Pfffffft!
LOL
I agree with you firecap. Carlson was truly evil and did a lot of harm to a lot of people. My spouse and I too moved from Orrington. Carlson wasn’t the only reason but he played a big part in it. My family still lives in Orrington but I have not gone back more than 3 times in 7 years. Carlson fooled many people for sure, I do wish you well and hope you can heal from your experiences. Thoughts are with you. Good luck.
I too have seen this first hand. In 2001 I refused to fire a Jr. Firefighter who had spurned a municipal official. I spent the next 6 years fighting off retaliation for that weekly. I watched her assualted at fire scenes, have her car vandalized and even my own Jakes trying to get rid of her. I faced a “kangaroo court” in front of the Penobscot County Fire Chiefs in 2002, who collected no evidence, heard no witnesses but determined that she had lied and that I should do my duty and fire her. The “perfect storm” ended my fire/EMS career in 2007 when she was returning from military reserve deployment and a new 3/2 majority on my board decided that I couldn’t let that happen. They fired us both. The leader of this effort later left retirement to become a school system administrator!
Until we stop treating this as a “lone offender” issue and start taking down the well organized crimanal organizations that support it, there will be scores more victims.
Thanks for your kindness in responding to my post.
It is indeed a shame that this happened to you.
I however did not fare as well as you seemed to. Pehaps due to my own mind set, I went into a deep funk that brought me to the verge of suicide a couple of years later. I was aided only by the support of my loving wife that never wavered in her support and understanding of what I was experiencing. For over 5 years, I almost never left my home. Whenever I attempted to find employment, the record of my leaving my previous employment prevented me from being hired.
The fact that my dismissal was a sham job does not seem to matter in your seach for a job to support a family of 4 pre-teens. We lost our home and had to relocate even further from my children’s previous friends, there by having a negative impact on them as well.
It also seems that you at least had a small measure of support, I had none. All reasoned that if the “Good Reverend” did not want me around, it was their civic duty to help him clean up our town.
Now 15 years later, I seem to have been proven right in more than just my distrust of the “Good Reverend”, but also in my outing our former town manager for destroying police reports. This was also done in a public meeting in front of then Chief Deputy Glen Ross, who did nothing to investigate her admital of a criminal act. This also was used as ammunitition for my dismissal as it showed I was not a team player in their little clique.
Now, I’m broke. I have no job and no prospects for getting one in the near future. My reputation is for crap and my self-esteem is in the toilet. If you can tell me how I am supposed to reclaim my honor, dignity and pride, please do so.
BTW Pete, we’ve met several times previously.
Firecap……….I don’t know who you are…nor do I need to. I had know “the good reverend” on a very casual basis for a number of years. While I found him annoying and pretentious I had no experience with his “other side” until a little over a year ago when he and I locked horns over issues revolving around the care of a terminally ill mutual friend. Suddenly I was faced with a man who would do anything….and harm anyone in the process….in order to look like he was the savior…..a man whose every action was geared toward making himself look important no matter what it cost the people around him. Did I suspect he was a pedophile? No. But did I recognize him as an extremely dangerous man with significant personality disorders? Absolutely.
Please know that I my thoughts are with you….and that I have every reason to believe that everything you say is truth. I only hope you someday receive the apologies you deserve.
Thank You!
Any entity that continues to honor this man is supporting continued sexual abuse of children.
sick disgusting pervert
Only one person spoke up and it was a family member of a man abused as a child. Unreal. All the men in high positions who had knowledge need to be held accountable. You could have done something to stop the abuse.
Read on in these comments, I spoke up and got my reward.
It is horrible that you spoke up and got shunned. Sadly it happens all too often. My own family has done this, my father attempted to s3xually abuse me but I fought back. When I told my mother, she blamed me. After that he started beating me instead. I have nothing to do with my sick family but I hear I am still villified by them for NOT remaining silent about their misdeeds. Luckily I have a terrific life now but the chains and fallout from abuse and reporting abuse are hard to shake. I hope that you keep speaking out. I know I will.
Why don’t you call Carlson what he was, a pedophile?
“Toleration of homosexuality helped make this happen. ”
“It’s time to return to the attitudes of the 50s regarding the dangers posed by many homosexuals. ”
Why go back that far?
July 7, 1984
October 6-7, 1998
Those dates took care of at least two homosexuals Son.
Intolerance of homosexuals allows for beatings and murders. Is that what you want?
Isn’t it interesting how society no longer views men like Jerry Sandusky and Bob Carlson, as homosexuals?
Who were they, John Wayne?
This is the effect of political correctness. People are afraid to state the simple truth.
Might want to reread the post….I added a few comments.
Here is an article about the victim of a hate crime murder perpetrated by a homosexual.
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/homosexual-hate/victims-of-homosexual-murderers/page/2/
Do we need to go into the movie “Changeling” which is based on the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP murders, about Gordon Northcott who abducted over 20 boys and killed them three or four at a time with an ax?
Tolerance of homosexuality is dangerous to society.
The practice of homosexuality is dangerous even to homosexuals.
Tolerance of homosexuality was dangerous to the victims of Reverend Bob Carlson.
In the 50s, he would have been reported immediately, and disgraced.
Answer the question Son….”Intolerance of homosexuals allows for beatings and murders. Is that what you want?”
Do you want July 7, 1984 and October 6-7, 1998 to repeat itself? Yes or No
When you say “tolerance” allowed this you are calling for people to
be “intolerant” and ‘intolerance” lead to July 7, 1984 and October 6-7, 1998.
So I will ask you again “Intolerance of homosexuals allows for beatings and murders. Is that what you want?”
It is a sign of our society’s growth, though slight, that we recognize that “people” (no matter what color or sexual orientation) commit crimes. Criminal behavior recognizes no color, gender, sexual orientation, etc. border.
Therefore, it is “interesting how society no longer views men like Jerry Sandusky and Bob Carlson, as homosexuals?”
America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, the highest divorce rate, and is plagued by drug dealing, corruption, and violent crime. And our children are molested by respected public figures.
And you are shameless enough to say our society has “grown?”
Society no longer views homosexuality as a threat, and hence men like Jerry Sandusky and Bob Carlson are allowed to act with impunity.
And this is now relevant to the discussion:
Are you yourself a homosexual or involved in the homosexual rights movement?
Since you believe there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, please speak your mind freely.
If you are not, what is you interest in the matter?
They could be Bi-sexual. That means that they like both sexes equally as well. All pedophiles are not gay. There are some that prefer only boys and some that prefer girls. There are also some that like both. They are all sick individuals if they think little children are sexual beings. There is no cure for pedophilia. They need to be locked away for life. Carlson took the easy way out. He will burn in Hell.
you’re wrong as well. A pedo is a pedo – one who abuses children sexually – that is what turns them on, the power, and the age. It has nothing to do with one’s sexuality, regardless of what that may be (ie: hetero, gay, bi etc..)
Thanks for the info . I couldn’t go on without it.
you know Son I think you should really get in touch with your feelings…..why is it that you can’t understand that pedophiles are not the same thing as homosexuals? There are female pedophiles too you know…some like boys and some like girls and.while there are pedophiles that like children of their own gender usually any child will do if the gender they prefer is not available. I was 15 when I met my husband who was ten years older than me …..he chased me for 2 years and I eventually married him….I found out a few years ago he assaulted my sister when she was 14 years old……40 years ago when he was chasing me he was just considered a nuisance by my family, someone they didn’t want me with but there was nothing they could do about it. Nowadays he would be considered a pedophile which is the right label for him. It was only five years ago that a therapist pointed out to me that I had been a victim , that all his flattery and attention was what is called “grooming” your victim. I wish there had been someone around to keep me from his grasp….it would have saved me years of abuse at the hands of a monster who used every fear and hurt I carried to control me….when he couldn’t control me with words he used his hands….I have only four things I am grateful for from those horrible 30 some odd years. The four beautiful children we created. Two of them are gay…..they are not pedophiles…would never hurt a child….and I resent your insistence on labeling them so.
Since the vast majority of pedophiles are adult men preying on young girls, by your logic, shouldn’t society also be condemning heterosexual behavior as well?
There’s a huge difference between the pathology of child molesters and a loving relationship between gay adults.
Stop twisting events to support your own bigotry.
Is that why homosexuals have an organized, established movement (NAMBLA) to promote exactly what Carlson and Sandusky were doing?
NAMBLA’s membership is made up of pedophiles by they very definition of the organization man/boy love. That is the definition of a pedophile.
Interestingly, NAMBLA was founded by a number of Boston GAY activists and they had a chapter in the Portland area and at least two meetings in the 80’s at a well known Portland banquet hall. The history of this organization has been nearly erased from the Internet and print media; but if you look you can find the organizers and perhaps the Maine organizers.
Remember at the same time Robert Motherwell, a famous artist and photographer who lived in Maine was presenting Homoerotic photography and one of the most notorious ones of a nude man with an erection holding a child was confiscated by the Feds.
Maine’s arts ‘community’ screamed in outrage at the violation of Free Speech and got a fairly sympathetic reaction from the Portland Press Herald.
NAMBLA under FBI persecution and outrage retreated underground and back to Europe; but it’s themes of family love and loving/sexual relationships between caring men and boys still resonate in some parts of Maine. NAMBLA condemns compulsion and force.
I think it educational to present the other side of the matter and maybe Carlson and others were philosophically in tune with NAMBLA may become evident or perhaps it never will, given the tenor of the times. Whether Carlson will use any of this in his defense is unknown.
Maine was a different place in the 70’s and 80’s, esp. for artists, academics and intellectuals.
…and no I’m not; irrevocably het. sorry.
Guess what? The heterosexual men have similar organizations and networks. Ever heard of child pornography??
They are pedophiles…there is a huge difference between being gay and being a pedophile…..most pedophiles are HETEROSEXUAL check the STATISTICS. If you were to actually CHECK the STATISTICS (you know actual FACTS rather than your inane and warped opinion) you would KNOW that the STATS clearly show pedophilia is predominantly perpetrated by HETEROSEXUALS. Read a book other than the bible and you might actually glean some FACTS about reality and pedophilia.
Amen and Amen……You are so right, pedophiles are mostly heterosexuals…..not homosexuals…
Bingo! Now we are at the heart of the matter.
Homosexuals are BY DEFINITION people who get their sexual “fulfillment” from others of the same sex. I can guarantee you there has never been a young boy sexually abused by anyone male that was NOT abused by a homosexual!
This is profound, incisive thinking.
You cut through the darkness like a knife through butter.
And you can back up your assertion with what evidence?
Evidence? Just read what I said. Are you saying there are male pedophiles who abuse little boys that aren’t homosexuals??
Yes evidence. You know. That stuff that tends to prove statements like “I guarantee…”
So do you have that proof that shows all pedophiles were abused by homosexuals first.
I will wait for your proof.
Hi, my name is stephen martin and I support the christian civic league. I missed the bus to chick-fil-a so I am here to tell you lies.
Yes.
It’s about having power over someone small and weak. Pedophiles are turned on by having power over someone small and weak. Some abuse both boys and girls because both are small and weak and easy (compared to an adult) to manipulate.
You are so wrong.
Actually, your statement is inaccurate. As with rape pedophilia can be more about power than it is about sex…..and there are times when the sex of the victim has little if anything to do with the sex of the perpetrator. As a result an essentially heterosexual man may choose to sexually perpetrate a young male victim….not because of any innate attraction to people of the same sex but purely purely because of his ability to exert power over someone who is helpless to defend themselves.
You don’t know what the truth is and are to blind to oppen your eyes to it……..
Because they preyed on children. Homosexual is two same sex people who are adults and consent to sex. What mushroom are you hiding under?
They were pedophiles. They exploited, abused, and injured children. That is wrong whether you abuse children of the same sex or the opposite sex. Some people are attracted to children because of they want to have power over someone who is weaker than they are. It’s not about whether a person is straight, gay, or bi. The sexual abuse and exploitation of children is wrong.
Child Molesters are not homosexual, most are married to women!
Agreed I don’t think I said otherwise.
IF IT WHERE UP TO ME, I WOULD TAKE DOWN CARLSON’S PIC’S AND ANY THING THAT WAS ASSOCIATED TO CARLSON…IF I WHERE A VIC TOME OF CARLSON’S I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE PIC’S OR REMINDERS UP AND AROUND….THAT TO ME WOULD BE JUST LIKE SAYING ALL THE PAIN AND SUFFERING CARLSON PUT SO MANY THROUGH IS OK….IT’S NOT OK..THIS IS THE WORST OF THE WORST DIRT OF THE EARTH…THE WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING…PRAYING FOR ALL THE ONES THAT THIS EVIL DIRT OF THE EARTH HARMED….THERE IS ONE THAT CARLSON WILL NOT HIDE FROM …..PRAYERS TO CARLSON’S FAMILY TO FOR THEY ARE VICTIM’S IN ALL THIS TO.
Carlson’s name should be removed from every plaque and images of him should never be shown again out of respect for the victims. I don’t care what good this man did it is all overshadowed by the pure evil that was behind his actions. Outside investigators should be brought in to go over this whole case and take appropriate actions. Obviously the good old boys are not going to step up and reprimand their own. Some heads need to roll in this case for putting the victims and others in danger of being (or continuing to be) abused by Carlson.
Right! He didn’t do good for the community because it was the right thing to do. He did these things to cover up his evil.
Answer the question Son….”Intolerance of homosexuals allows for beatings and murders. Is that what you want?”
Do you want July 7, 1984 and October 6-7, 1998 to repeat itself? Yes or No
When you say “tolerance” allowed this you are calling for people to be “intolerant” and ‘intolerance” lead to July 7, 1984 and October 6-7, 1998.
So I will ask you again “Intolerance of homosexuals allows for beatings and murders. Is that what you want?”
I want a society in which information pertaining to the molestation of boys is immediately reported to the police.
I do not want a society in which homosexuality is tolerated, and Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky, and Bob the Bugger of Bangor are treated as heroes.
“I want a society in which information pertaining to the molestation of boys is immediately reported to the police.”
We already have that Maine Title 22, Subtitle 3, Part 3, Chapter 1071, Subchapter 2: Reporting of Abuse or Neglect
§4011-A. Reporting of suspected abuse or neglect
1. Required report to department. The following adult persons SHALL IMMEDIATELY (emphasis mine) report or cause a report to be made to the department when the person knows or has REASONABLE CAUSE TO SUSPECT (emphasis mine) that a child has been or is likely to be abused or neglected or that a suspicious child death has occurred:
(13) A school official; (Beardsley)
(22) A mental health professional; (the unidentified therapist in the MSP report)
(23) A law enforcement official; (the Penobscot County Deputy Sheriff, Sheriff Richardson, at least two Bangor and one UMaine PD officer)
(30) A sexual assault counselor; (the unidentified counselor that barred Carlson from attending counseling sessions of sexual assault victims)
So once again I will ask the question….”Intolerance of homosexuals allows for beatings and murders. Is that what you want?”
Do you want July 7, 1984 and October 6-7, 1998 to repeat itself? Yes or No
When you say “tolerance” allowed this you are calling for people to
be “intolerant” and ‘intolerance” lead to July 7, 1984 and October 6-7, 1998.
So I will ask you again “Intolerance of homosexuals allows for beatings and murders. Is that what you want?”
And was any of this done?
And why are you refusing to answer the question Son?
“Intolerance of homosexuals allows for beatings and murders. Is that what you want?”
It really is an easy question to answer. It can be answered with a “Yes” or a “No”.
Why are you avoiding it?
Intolerance lead to the events of July 7, 1984 and October 6-7, 1998. Is that what you want, a repeat of those days?
Again, a very simple question to answer with a “Yes” or “No”.
No, unlike you I believe in the sanctity of human life.
You of course, in addition to normalizing homosexuality, also believe in abortion.
Now, for the benefit of the readers, could you please answer the question as to whether you are a homosexual or do you participate in any way in the homosexual rights movement?
Silence?
As you say, “Give a simple answer ‘yes’ or ‘no’.'”
I want a society free of religious people seeking to impose their narrow views and morality on others, in the name of God. If you want to live in Mayberry, do it. I’m going to work diligently to keep you there.
You will never get it. Never.
And I am still waiting for your answers to those simple “yes” and “no” questions Son.
Where have I ever posted that I believe in abortion Son? Do you always assume because a poster supports one cause the support all causes.
But to satisfy you I am pro-life.
And I have answered the question about my sexual orientation time and again. Am I a homosexual? No. As I have stated to you on numerous occasions I have been married almost 30 years.
And I also answered the second half of your question in another post Go check your inbox.
Thank you.
I wanted to make sure that you are a totally disinterested party.
But it does help butter your bread to express these opinions, does it not?
What would happen if you expressed the opposite opinion at your company or at the Department of Public Safety?
What if someone said, “I heard that Bob Carlson is a homosexual and we ought to investigate him?”
I am interested in what blinds men to the truth and makes them hold false opinions.
Most people believe in whatever flatters their own opinions or the opinions of their friends.
I can find little logic in your statements here; it’s more of a resort to deception in order to teach away from the truth, as when you make the laughable assertion that the members of NAMBLA are not homosexuals.
Reporting someone as a homosexual would not be as likely to cause an investigation as reporting that person as a pedophile. One phrasing implies bigotry against a citizen, while the other implies reporting of a crime. Do you consider the rape of a woman or girl to be a crime, Son… or is it only a crime if it involves a male victim?
I have made phones calls to DHHS Child Protective Services and Elder Services during my career. I am a mandated reporter and I report what I see regardless of who it is because that is what the law states. Passing it off or telling your supervisor is not enough under the law.
In Carlson case the therapist that told the MSP that they knew of half a dozen victims and didn’t report it violated the law and should face whatever penalties and professional disciplinary action available.
Same with the two Bangor Police officers. There statement says it all. They questioned the behavior enough to consider setting up gamer surveillance but didn’t do it.
So when faced with the decision to report/not report I will always choose the report option. Let the adult defend their actions because the child cannot defend themselves.
I am very curious to know what your connection is to their movement.
My “connection”?
Well I grew up in the 1960’s and listened to my grandparents talking
about why “those” people should not be allowed to marry “white” people.
I came home from summer camp one day and told my parents and grandparents about this great man that helped me learn to ride a horse. I told them he had the darkest “tan” I had ever seen and only the palms of his hands where “white”. My grandparents exchanged looks and said to me “he’s not tanned, he’s a Negro”. I instantly learned at the age of 5 or 6 that he was “different” from me and I learned in my teens on my own that people “different” from me really weren’t different at all.
I learned that hate and bigotry of people based on “differences” was wrong.
I know gay people. They are no “different” from me other than how they choose to share their bed with.
3 months after my wife and I moved to Maine Charlie Howard was beaten and tossed into the Kenduskeag Stream after Charlie begged for his life because he couldn’t swim. But toss him they did anyway. Why? Because he was gay. On that day Bangor changed for me forever.
I have no issue with two consenting adults that want to get married be allowed that right. Please note I said two consenting ADULTS. I didn’t say one adult and one child. I didn’t say one adult and one animal. I didn’t say one adult and one tree, pie, pencil or any other object. I have learned that I need to be very clear when stating this position.
That was a fine speech, with a touch of poetry.
But now, to return to the question?
Do you have some institutional connection to these sentiments?That is, how is your bread buttered by promoting these ideas which are harmful to society, that is “gay” marriage?What could it be, I wonder? Any formal contacts with the homosexual rights movement?
My for someone that has difficulty answering questions you sure do like to ask them.
“Institutional connections”? Not sure what you are asking but I have. I no connection to anyone, any person or any organization that supports SSM or homosexuality.
I am employed by a national company that has no connection to any person or organization that supports or promotes SSM or homosexuality. I am also employed in public safety.
Any “formal contacts”? Asked and answered. But to address it again. No. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero.
Now time to answer mine Son.
Oh, I see. You are in public safety, Bob Carlson’s milieu, and you work for a national company.
That explains how your bread is buttered by pushing the pc line.
I have told you that I respect the sanctity of life, but am opposed to the normalization and acceptance of homosexuality.
You are willfully and maliciously equating opposition to homosexuality with intolerance and violence against homosexuals. This is the deceptive position advocated by the ACLU, the NAACP, and other liberal groups.
You on the other hand, support the normalization and acceptance of homosexuality and attitudes which helped men like Bob Carlson and Jerry Sandusky thrive and flourish.
To take the focus off Carlson, and to place the blame for not exposing him on a member of the general public, and then fault him for opposing the normalization of homosexuality is more than deceptive, it is a bit sinister.
It is clearly out of keeping with the ways of the people of Maine.
And I am not convinced that you are just another disinterested member of the public.
That right Son I work for a national company and part-time in public safety. Not sure how that “butters my bread by pushing the pc line”. But hey if that makes you a happy, smiley person by believing that have at it.
Not sure if you have a reading disability or just do not understand that a pedophile is a pedophile. Pedophiles come in all shapes, sizes, ages, genders, colors, religions, nationalities and the one common denominator is texit sexual attraction to children.
The reason people like Sandusky and Carlson and RC priests and teachers and every other pedophile thrive is we refuse to believe the warning signs. All one needs to do is read the MSP report on Carlson to learn that fact. How many people questioned his behavior and did nothing?
You on the other hand want to make this about all homosexuals. Well I have a new flash for you…homosexuals, like heterosexuals do not choose their sexual partners based on age.
Personally I don care if you think I am “disinterested” or not. I have answered every question directly and honestly. You can choose to believe those answers or not.
Well, the nature of your reply causes me regret.
Although I have been very careful to treat you with respect, you repeatedly make these ad hominem remarks and personal attacks.
If your argument could stand on its on, you would not need these sorts of remarks.
This is your weakest reply yet, and I regret that I have to say you have clearly lost the argument in the minds of the readers.
So now you speak for all the readers Son. Have a pretty. It opinion of yourself don’t you.
Yesterday you stated that you read one verse from the book of Jude to Carlson and Sunday morning he killed himself. Then you. Maimed you never met the man. So which is it Son? Did you read him a verse to him or have you never met him?
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Yesterday you stated that you read one verse from the book of Jude to
Carlson and Sunday morning he killed himself. Then you. Maimed you never
met the man. So which is it Son? Did you read him a verse to him or
have you never met him?
Doesn’t matter which way you answer the question Son…you either lied about reading the Jude voice to his face or you lied about never having met him.
Would you like a smaller shovel so you are not digging that hole deeper so quickly?
You have been incredibly disrespectful — and then you have the gall to lie about it and say you have “been very careful to treat [him] with respect”! What an obnoxious piece of work you are!
Thank you for your own fine example of respect.
Where do you get your information form. Neither Robert Carlson or Jerry Sandusky were homosexual. They were Child Molesters and heteralsexual men that were abusive to little boys….there is a big difference in this concept and one that you seem not to understand….perhaps you might need to better educate yourself on the subject.
Oh no, how could they be homosexual?
Hanging around Valley Drive with the others is not homosexual behavior!
They are actually John Wayne.
Aside from one mention in the report how do you know where Carlson or anyone else for that matter “hangs out”. Unless of course you are hanging out there yourself.
What does John Wayne have to do with any of this?
Pedophilia is not being normalized. It is wrong and will always be wrong. Abuse is about power and control, not sexual orientation! Same-sex relationships between consenting adults is NOT pedophilia any more than a heterosexual relationship breeds pedophiles (since the majority of pedophiles ARE heterosexual!) Perhaps we shouldn’t normalize heterosexuality.
You certainly are angry, obnoxious, bigoted, and poorly-informed!
If anyone on this board has taken the focus off Carlson it is you. You are the one who turned the discussion from Carlson and pedophilia to one about homosexuality and same sex marriage.
no matter how you dodge the questions Son it is evident you are struggling with something. Like I said before…..get in touch with your fears around homosexuality…..usually when someone expresses such anger about something like this they are afraid of it….there is nothing to be afraid of …..you are a hetero and no one can change that despite whatever thoughts you have….accepting gay people will not send you to hell but your intolerance will….follow the rainbow…….you will be a happier person…….
Thank you. You are so right jd2008jd! Very, Very well written…Thank You.
No, you have willfully distorted my words.
I did not call for “intolerance of homosexuals.”
I am calling for society not to accept the practice of homosexuality as normal and good, because it leads to the type of harm caused by Jerry Sandusky and Bob Carlson.
The public is fed up with this sort of deceptiveness by the Left, in which the Left seeks to make those who oppose homosexuality the evil doers, and men like Bob Carlson saints.
The result is disastrous for society.
Son what you said was this taken directly from your post, “Toleration of homosexuality helped make this happen.”
The direct opposite of your stated position is “Intolerance of homosexuality will prevent this from happening”.
We have seen what “intolerance” to homosexuality is (even in Bangor) and it isn’t pretty.
And you still have not provided direct answer to direct questions. You are dancing all around the questions Son and your dance looks more like someone trying to avoid the mines they placed themselves in the minefield.
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You are twisting what they are trying to say. Yes, we have become so tolerant that if we suspect a homosexual is abusing someone we turn a blind eye. Homosexuals have such control on society now they have become the bullies. There have been teachers here in Maine who are homosexuals that get away with very inappropriate behavior because administrators are afraid of them. There was a professor at UM who verbally and emotionally abused students, complaints were made against them but, the University turned a blind eye.
There is also a lot of intolerance here. If you dare say anything negative about homosexuals you’re are blocked from posting. Yet the BDN has allowed the liberal poster write whatever they want and they don’t get blocked. Could someone from the BDN please explain to me why you block certain poster and there is no way we can defend ourselves.
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What does society’s lack of acceptance of homosexuality do to prevent the (more common) abuse of girls and women by heterosexual men?
Should we be promoting a societal lack of tolerance for all men?
Maybe it would make more sense to promote tolerance far all people, and intolerance of abuse?
Should we tolerate the abuse of women by other women, or boys by women, or girls by women, or? …on and on you could go.
How about we just not tolerate abuse, period, and the practices (like sodomy) that engender abuse? SonofBangor is absolutely correct when he asserts that society’s tolerance of sexual deviancy (particularly by homosexuals) engenders a climate where pedophilia can also be tolerated. Indeed, radical homosexual activists commonly call for doing away with all proscriptions against sexual perversions of all types, but especially for the lowering of the age of consent.
All sex outside of traditional marriage is condemned, not only by Scripture, but by hundreds of years of moral tradition. In large part, these traditions have been based on protecting children and the institution of marriage. These barriers are only being broken down recently, as the powerful have become perverse themselves, and are assisting in the willful violation of common decency. Children are now “at risk” everywhere, in our Huxleyan society with its lack of respect for the family, and the elevation of the pleasure principle over civilized restraint. To call for protecting the children from everything else has become a badge of honor in our society EXCEPT in this one area. Hmmm….
Psssst….would you like to know a well kept secret?
Heterosexual couples both married and unmarried engage in sodomy. I bet you didn’t know that.
The most child sexual abuse are done by male heterosexuals. Just like yourself stephen. Yes some homosexuals abuse children, but nowhere as much as heterosexual men.
No you are wrong in so many ways….. Homosexuality does not in any way lead to Child Molestation.
Yes it does. The statistics are irrefutable, despite the elite’s ability to obfuscate.
You certainly like to make assertions without providing any proof to back up those assertions. So please, post some links that will prove what you say is true.
Thank you for citing this statute. It is very perplexing that there is no reference to this in any of the recent BDN stories on Carlson. Time for a secondary investigation.
Amen to your commment! I wondered after reading the investigator’s report how so many people in positions of power could turn a blind eye to what Carlson was doing. As a mandated reporter myself, I was sickened by the failure of these people to do what they are required by law to do. One person reporting suspicions might not have led to action but if all of the people cited by the investigator had made the call there would have been a paper trail to lend credence to the validity of the concern. I was furious that Glenn Ross tipped Carlson off to the investigation because it allowed him to take the coward’s way out and prevented his victims from seeing him punished for the devastation he caused in their lives. I am heartbroken as well for Carlson’s widow who now must carry the additional burden of the fallout from her late husband’s actions, including the wrath of a community which had been itself victimized by his double life.
Thank you for that…The voice of reason..
Good article , from reading past posts.. Carlson controlled poor kids. This man was the pillar of society who’s going to believe these kids?. Carlson had power, he knew how to minipulate people. So the question should be.. All those that new this was going on why didn’t they come forward? Why were they “protecting” this serial pedifile instead of protecting these kids? Did Carlson have some kind of control over them too? I wish they would indict these people that knew about this abuse and tell us why they didn’t come forward. I bet they would of , if it was there kids being abused. or maybe these kids being poor didn’t matter.
Maine’s own Jerry Sandusky?
Sandusky and Carlson both committed their crimes repeatedly; raising suspicion among colleagues and members of their communities. Sandusky was protected by those who had something to lose if his activity had been revealed. This report shows that concerns were also raised about Carlson. Why were those concerns ignored? Governor LePage should appoint a special prosecutor to begin the investigation into the identity and motivations of people who facilitated this child abuse by willfully ignoring and maybe even covering up Carlson’s behavior.
this is how pchc vetted carlson. when they eventually discovered dicovered he lied about his background they said it didn’t matter. what else didn’t matter?http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/01/13/news/bangor/rev-bob-carlson-likely-his-exaggerated-credentials/
Whoever this man came in contact with, he played everyone. The Church, The authorities , Husson, Penobscot Community Health Center , and most important his family. Lesson leaned.. If anyone knows any child being abused. Doesn’t matter how much power you might think that person has, you tell.
I can not possibly give you enough likes. It is our duty to protect those that cannot protect themselves.
Very well stated…..
People who come forward are victimized again. I too lost my family, my mom eventually accepted my story but did not support me when I went to the policewhen I was 16 years old. My dad started abusing me as a small child. It takes forever to get past the abuse, and many never do.
Wait…this guy wasn’t a Catholic priest?!? I thought my faith (Catholic) had the monopoly on such scum.
Baptists, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, senators, congressmen, policemen, firemen, garbage-men, real estate agents, cooks, doctors, journalists, the unemployed, homeless, and the guy who lives in the mansion down the road.
NO ONE has a monopoly on child abuse.
How ridiculous to say that Carlson was a pedophile, and not a homosexual!
Who makes up the membership of NAMBLA?
Who are they — Marines?
How can anyone deny that many homosexuals (Sandusky, Carlson) prey on boys?
It has been so from the time of Socrates to the time of NAMBLA.
It is an organized, established part of their subculture.
Who makes up the membership of NAMBLA? I would think that answer would be obvious but to answer your question…PEDOPHILES.
And NAMBLA is composed of what? heterosexual females?
No the membership is made up of PEDOPHILES because they are attracted by age not sex.
Ask as many ways as you want Son. The answer will not change.
You have to get your mind out of the “normalcy of adult sex” way of thinking.
Pedophilia is not about a sexual relationship, it is about power, humiliation, and subjugation. It is about the ability to control (strangle) another human being.
About the only stereotype that fits here is that of rapist. Pedophiles think like any run-of-the-mill rapist. The big difference is that a full grown adult is too challenging for the pedophile.
So when are they going to replace Sheriff Ross? There could have been closure on this had he not obstructed justice and tipped off his dear friend. As a law enforcement officer….a sheriff, for pity’s sake…. he knew better.
agreed
I’m pretty sure an even bigger number of heterosexual men prey on girls.
Some like girls, some like boys and some like both. The evilist of all like both and continue to lead heterosexual lives.
This speaks so loud and clear that bystander intervention training should be a required annual workshop for all employers and for all students. Our children need it for bullying and peer pressure and our adults need it as a reminder to raise your hand when red flags appear.
Wow what a bunch of sanctimonious self righteous angels.
I had a friend who actually DID report child abuse. Did the community come out and give him a parade? Did the paper-of-record laud his action? Did the reports (there were more than one) even end the victim’s suffering?
No actually what happened is he was fired from his position, the State did a cursory examination of his complaint (they refused to view pictures, or interview the minor victims) and found that the documented and recorded abuse never occurred. When his boss fired him, he was told that he would never work in the State of Maine again. In fact that was true and he now lives in Washington State.
I can surely understand why someone would avoid ruining their career, having their family uprooted and undergoing financial hardship, and seething under the knowledge that the abuse continued.
It is all very easy to tell others what they SHOULD have done. it is not so easy to live (at all) after you have done “the right thing.”
This is awful….if I were your friend who went through this terrible and unjust ordeal – Today I would be talking to every news paper in the state of Maine and naming names- who his boss was who fired him, what agency he worked for that had him fired, who at the state did the investigation, who told him he would never work in this state again, everything your friend knew (omitting the victims names of course) and any and all other crap that was covered up by the ‘powers that be’ all at the expense of your friend. The ‘powers that be’ should be held accountable. Your friend tried to do the right thing- he should not have been punished for doing what was his ethical duty and legal duty. You’re right is is easy to tell others what they SHOULD have done….I admire your friend for having the backbone to do so….It’s too bad others did not have the same backbone- Carlson could have been stopped long before 2011.
Your friend had a hard time . He did the right thing . I bet he live with himself . I guess most people would do nothing . That being said people who would be so selfish to chose a job over an innocence child are sick losers in my book . That is why there are so many children abused . Most people do not really care about nothing or nobody but themselves . What is our society coming too?
EXCUSE ME???
What about my friend’s child? the one who had to move across the country away from his family and friends? Who was traumatized by the loss of his lifestyle, his toys, his room.
What about my friend’s wife who supported the family with her credit card till she was forced into bankruptcy?
As for my friend he learned a lesson.;.. We’ve discussed it many many times. Today if he saw a bank being robbed, he would turn his back and walk away.
If you want to tell him he’s wrong, be my guest. I’ll send him the link.
He may feel he made a mistake . I respect the man. Robbing a bank Is a lot different than hurting a child . I would bet money if you knew someone was abusing his kids and you said nothing he would not be your friend.
Maybe not, BUT he would understand.
You folks with ZERO experience are a hoot!
Who knew about the Reverend?Why an’ what’s the reason for? “Not I,” says the deputy sheriff,
“Don’t point your finger at me.
I saw him fondling little kids in the jail
At two o’clock in the morning.
It’s too bad he had to jump,
But I have a job to do, you know.
It wasn’t me that made him fall.
No, you can’t blame me at all.” Who enabled the child abuse?,
Why an’ what’s the reason for? “Not us,” says the cops.
“We saw him parked down on the Valley Road.
Thought maybe we would put up cameras
But it’s dark there.
Don’t say ‘abuse,’ say ‘what’s the use?’ Who ignored stories of abuse?Why an’ what’s the reason for? “Not me,” says the college president,
Smiling at the reporter on Channel Six,
Sayin’, “I wasn’t to blame
I had a college to run.”
It wasn’t me that made him fall.
No, you can’t blame me at all.” Don’t say ‘rape,’ don’t say ‘evil.’It was destiny, it was God’s will.”
Right. Because we all know gays and women having equal rights is the end of our society…
More like narrow minds like yours.
Two men or two women cannot be extended the right to marry, since no such right exists.
To believe otherwise is madness.
Then I choose madness over your hate and discrimination.
no such rights exist?
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Right.
Reporting someone as a homosexual would not be as likely to cause an investigation as reporting that person as a pedophile. One phrasing implies bigotry against a citizen, while the other implies reporting of a crime. Do you consider the rape of a woman or girl to be a crime, Son… or is it only a crime if it involves a male victim?Flag
How many more pedphiles are these evil people covering up for??????????????????????????? Why are not the one who did nothing in jail?????????????????????????????????????????????
Give it time. This snowball has just begun to roll.
Time to clean up the City of Bangor.
I first met him in 1988 when I moved to the Bangor area and thought he was a self righteous blow hard. He lied about his education, he went around the area for years in contact with children and he preyed on adults or very young adults in their time of need. Just wish he was alive to face his victims instead of being a coward and taking the easy way out!!! His family is left to suffer for what he did and what he was, nothing but a child molester hiding behind the cloth!!
Its a shame that people in authority feel that they must be quiet to protect the so called good guy and the victim continues to be victimized and there are more and more victims. Everyone has a voice USE IT!! I remember in middle school I reported a case of child abuse and mind you I was a child myself and teachers were shunning me for reporting it and never in my life I felt I should of been quiet even though teachers wanted to silence me. The only real praise I got was from the P.I. — Abuse in any form cannot be tolerated and I feel if I kept quiet then I was just as guilty as the one that was doing the abuse. SPEAK UP PEOPLE for goodness sake there are children’s lives at stake. They deserve better this. How can you live with yourself if you turn and look the other way. If it was you wouldn’t you want somebody helping you?!
He is not a good guy who did bad; he was a bad guy who did some good, Steele said. Sorry in my eyes he is still a bad guy. All the so called good things he did and all the other abusers did were all in vain.
Sigh! What a sick, sick, sick world we live in.
“The only thing necessary for Evil to triumph is that good people do nothing.”
Yeah well, BDN Comments section isn’t nearly enough of a soap box, but here goes (again).
Interesting that the (permitted) “news” fails to report how (historically) wide spread these incidents are … and they are: almost institutional.
Ever wonder what’s up with those (many THOUSANDS per year) of those children asking, “Have You Seen Me?” .. published for decades on milk cartons ???
There are many examples if you look deep enough. Here are some:
See the documentary “Conspiracy of Silence” (produced by the Discovery Channel but stopped prior to the show date and bought out – suppressed – but salvaged from editing)…(a “cutting room” edition was distributed that became this exposed documentary, can be located on YouTube and from some DVD distributing sites, the video quality is reduced, but nothing is garbled or chopped up – the audio is perfectly clear).
and (same story), the book:
“The Franklin Cover-Up” (John DeCamp, ISBN-13: 978-0963215802)
and a far deeper-reaching, stunning -utterly shocking- depiction, this book called:
“Thanks For The Memories” (Brice Taylor, ISBN-13: 9780966891621)
Also read the last COMMENT after this article BDN article.
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2011/11/12/sports/penn-state-still-shaking-from-sex-abuse-scandal/
AS relates to the above link: don’t expect much “health” so-called, “CARE” from this guy: —> HoleTown’s Doktor FRANK
Best Wishes.
THANK YOU. GREAT, INFORMATIVE POST!
If a male has sex with another male, regardless if ones 30 and the other is 10, i’snt that homosexual behavior?
It is abuse. It is exerting one’s power and control over someone without that same power. It is wrong.
Of course it is, Ron. Thank you.
Ah no. Pedophilies are attracted based on age not gender.
Ah no. In the psycho babble community, maybe. Not in any sane community of decent people. Maybe both age and gender, but never age only without the other except in the rarest of cases.
Just out of idle curiosity do you believe that an adult female teacher that engages in a sexual relationship with a male student that is say 14, is that the act of a pedophile or a “coming of age” experience for the the 14 year old boy?
An act of pedophilia, obviously.
So if a man is married to a woman and has kids and he then molests someone male THAT makes him homosexual? Not just a criminal?? So if Carlson had been molesting female children THAT would have been less awful for you? So we just discount and forget that he has been married for years and years and had children of his own??? HOW CONVENIENT. That’s like saying every man is bad because some men choose to rape women/men- so are ALL men rapists then? Or just the men who actually rape? You cannot attribute and lump all together one group of people as being all a particular way- that doesn’t even make sense not to mention flies in the face of any statistics regarding pedophilia. Do the research regarding pedophilia, do the research on which group heterosexual or homosexual perpetrates the most (hint it’s not the homosexuals) and read up on the Kinsey scale. Oy.
“So if a man is married to a woman and has kids and he then molests someone male THAT makes him homosexual? Not just a criminal??”
Yes, it makes him both a homosexual and a criminal homosexual. It also makes him a pedophile, and also perhaps bisexual.
Look, the terms are not that hard despite all the recent attempts by the radical gay community at re-definition. One attraction/behavior (male to female) is normal, while the other (M-M) is clearly abnormal (not to mention historically prohibited by law.) You can not change basic human biology based on politically correct thinking, just because a tiny and vocal minority has gained such inordinate power in our society. I am sure most normal young men feel attracted to beautiful girls who are just under the age of consent from time to time (especially when they may be only a couple years apart,) but that only proves the biological attraction. The vast majority of REAL young MEN can and do control the urge to do any more than appreciate their beauty. The majority of young homosexuals, I suspect, may similarly control their urge for under-aged males.
However, one CLEAR statistic is that it is homosexuals who, by far, abuse most young boys. You can’t wish that away. The homosexual lifestyle is not only inherently dangerous to those who practice it, but also engenders an impetus to recruit. They cannot procreate to maintain their community. THEY CAN ONLY RECRUIT. Sure, many homosexuals are not pedophiles, but nearly all pedophiles ARE also homosexuals. All adult males who attack boys are HOMOSEXUALS despite whatever psycho-babbled, new-aged definitions one may cite.
Also, no one can honestly refute the fact that a violent, vocal and evil minority of the homosexual community wants to normalize sex with children. That agenda could not have even expressed itself openly 40-50 years ago. Painfully and truthfully, our entire culture has now largely been shifted towards “toleration” of everything and anything but traditional morality and a truly safe climate for our children (see “Safe School Czars” who are open homosexuals now, under Obama.)
No one I know is looking to persecute celibate homosexuals, or homosexuals who do not recruit others through violence, or who do not prey on the helpless and the underaged. I think that is important to emphasize. But, by the same token, we can not meekly standby and let the radical elements of the homosexual community bring pain, disgrace, death, etc. on others, even within their own community…i.e. some must still be willing to say THIS IS WRONG AND IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Doesn’t seem like anyone did that with the “Reverend.” The social milieu is letting us all down, but especially the weak and defenseless.
Did you know the so-called “Human Rights Commission” here in Maine nearly approved laws a couple years ago that would have allowed unlimited ogling of one sex by another in the restrooms of all public facilities (including schools–even down to kindergarten) by people who simply self-defined themselves as “transgendered?” There wasn’t even going to be a requirement for any bodily changes, dress, or any outward appearance of a new “sexual identity” before a 17-year-old boy could simply have said “I am a girl, and I’m going to follow this beautiful 16-year-old girl into her bathroom today because I feel like a girl.” Only because a few of us went and SPOKE OUT did we stop this nonsense which was PUSHED HARD by the same homosexual groups (GLAAD, GLISN) etc., who are working to restrict the First Amendment rights of parents, pastors and community members to speak against perversion and evil. Could Carlson have gotten away with what he did for so long BECAUSE OF THEIR INFLUENCE in our society? I am afraid, maybe.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Brilliant reply. I am stunned by the depth and breadth of its insights!
The ‘Radical Gay Community?’ Who and where is this community? What do these people wear rainbow Berets?? and carry pink AK-47’s?? So I will surmise that anyone who does not concur with your stereotypes and unfounded fears will be considered ‘radical.’ Well I guess I’m a radical. I do not fear people who are different than me and I am certainly have no desire to tell someone else how to live their life. You should try that sometime- worry more about who you are and how you live your life rather than spewing overt and irrational fear and contempt at your fellow human beings. That’s just sad.
‘However, one CLEAR statistic is that it is homosexuals who, by far, abuse most young boys.’ so cite your sources. What are the statistics which you are referring to to ? Who wrote the study? what was the size of the population studied? What type of study was used to derive at these outcomes you claim? So CITE your sources and please don’t bother to cite some inane religious group or some crazy religious nut – CITE your sources from a well established SCIENTIFIC institutions that preforms actual scientific studies which are published in reputable journals. I betting you can’t cite any such thing.’The homosexual lifestyle is not only inherently dangerous to those who practice it, but also engenders an impetus to recruit….’ you are joking aren’t you? You ACTUALLY believe gay people recruit? and how is this done exactly? Something like three more recruits and the gay person get a Prius? Are there cash and prizes? One can certainly see the benefits of being recruited- you can be hated by your family, discriminated against and thrown off a bridge in your community…. and better yet…. get to deal with all the bigoted people that hold the same pathetic opinions as you…YIPPEE sign me up…..sounds like a GREAT TIME. So are you saying that heterosexual people are too dumb to not get ‘recruited?’
‘Also, no one can honestly refute the fact that a violent, vocal and evil minority of the homosexual community wants to normalize sex with children.’ Really? CITE your sources…..you can’t- because that statement is just a big old lie and based on nothing scientifically or empirically based…..that’s a lie plain and simple. CITE your SOURCES. Yeah gay people are clearly KNOWN for their violence….again CITE your statistics that clearly show that gay people are more violent than straight people….you can’t they don’t exist- that again is just a big old lie. Try again and CITE your sources.
‘Could Carlson have gotten away with what he did for so long BECAUSE OF THEIR INFLUENCE in our society?’ In order for one group or person to have the ability to ‘influence’ -one must first have the power and resources to exert influence over another person or group….gay people have had no such power historically or currently- the simple and sad reality about Carlson is that Carlson get away with what he did due to all the HETEROSEXUALS in the ‘good old boy network’ who knew something was off with Carlson and chose to do NOTHING. After all it wasn’t their children Carlson was touching right? I’m equally as sure if the uneducated and fearful people such as yourself could make up some correlation to natural disasters gay people would be blamed for this country’s drought, floods, tornadoes and earth quakes.
‘….who are working to restrict the First Amendment rights of parents, pastors and community members to speak against perversion and evil…..’ we all have the same rights regarding free speech…even when that speech is based on nothing more than irrational fears and lies…..speaking of evil and perversion.
Your whole screed is so full of fallacy and false innuendo it’s almost hard to know where to begin. Many studies by reputable people have been done proving my contentions, but you wouldn’t bother to read them anyway, because you have a worldview that is twisted by the NEED to exonerate evil activity. You can find any number of “scientific” studies, I am sure, to refute any studies I post anyway, and the established “scientific community” has already been proven wrong and guilty of presupposition bias so often and in so many fields of study, that a back and forth with you over this would be a thorough waste of time. I am perfectly willing to concede that you have the “wisdom” of modern “psychiatry,” “sociology,” etc., etc., all on your side. I have the Bible, common sense, hundreds and hundreds of years of Western legal tradition designed to protect children and families on mine. Of course, that is all “old, ignorant nonsense,” to you, so…
Where your arguments are especially weak, though, is where you claim that radical homosexual activists are nearly powerless, and have no impact on free expression. That is laughable. Talk to Brian Camenker of Mass Resistance who had his website shut down by a convicted teenaged sex offender he never met who got a restraining order from a radicalized judge in Belfast (a restraining order from a guy he’d never even met!) Talk to the guidance counselor at Nokomis High School who lost his job for speaking in favor of traditional families, or the reporter that had the same thing happen. The examples of the raw power of the gay lobby are numerous and growing day by day.
If I complain that a radical homosexual activist is having gay orgies in my apartment, I can get into big trouble. These are all FACTS. Canadian ministers have already been thrown in jail for preaching what the Bible says about this perversion, and we are obviously on the same track for that to happen soon in America.
I’ll repeat my contention that the “tolerance” milieu of our modern “we know better than God” society may very well have contributed to Bob Carlson’s decades of unchecked harassment.
People rightly fear the power of the radical homosexual lobbies and their influence over our lawmakers and our judiciary. We need to roll that back.
CITE THE STUDIES…and your wrong I would bother to read them so long as they were by done by reputable scientific organizations and ANYTHING you have to cite in biblical terms that we all know are based on biblical quotes (which are NOT the same as scientific studies) I would be MORE than happy to dispute with more biblical crap. FACTS are based on real scientific studies and empirical evidence…NOT anecdotal BS and opinion….you have ZERO to offer as actual EVIDENCE SHOCKING bit not really.
‘I am sure, to refute any studies I post anyway, and the established “scientific community” has already been proven wrong and guilty of presupposition bias so often and in so many fields of study, that a back and forth with you over this would be a thorough waste of time.’ Yeah it’s only a WASTE of time if you have NOTHING to offer as so far as SCIENTIFIC PROOF… more BS that you have NOTHING to back up with how CONVENIENT for you…..you make ridiculous claims and have NOTHING to back them up….LIES.
CITE YOUR CRAP if you can’t CITE it- IT DOESN’T EXIST…………I can say the sky is orange …my saying it doesn’t make it ORANGE. ….the ‘RADICAL HOMOSEXUAL’ is WAY less scary than the fearful, bull crap spewing, pseudo ‘christian’s, that PRETEND to be GOD loving but are NOT. CITE YOU BULLSHAT IF YOU CAN’T CITE IT- IT DOESN’T EXIST WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF SCIENCE.
“Do the research regarding pedophilia, do the research on which group
heterosexual or homosexual perpetrates the most (hint it’s not the
homosexuals) and read up on the Kinsey scale.”
True…but there are about 50 times the number of heterosexual men than homosexual men in society (despite the twisted/exagerated numbers of the radical gay lobby groups) to be committing these acts. None of these men are attacking young boys though. Only homosexuals can do that.
Also, Kinsey was one of the most twisted, perverse human beings ever supported by the Rockefellers and their fellow sex freaks (and eugenicists, btw.) I credit NOTHING he says.
So a heterosexual male that is married and has multiple children with his wife and sexually abuses a boy is not really a heterosexual male and a pedophile but a homosexual?
Right. You’re getting it. Heterosexual males are repulsed by the thought of sex with other males.
Then I guess you don’t know what a pedophile is attracted too.
The minute a person seeks sex willingly with a member of the same sex they have “gone over” (See Romans 1). They can be redeemed, but it is very, very tough, because homosexual behavior is the ultimate rejection of God, and his plan for human sexuality.
I am sorry you seem confused about pedophilia. Again, it’s really quite simple. Anyone who abuses a child sexually is a pedophile, and a CRIMINAL. You have heterosexual pedophiles, and you have homosexual pedophiles. More rarely, you can have bisexual pedophiles.
Wasn’t he married? What does his wife have to say about all this?
They are protecting her like they protected him.
Most folks don’t speak up about these abuse cases, including the victims themselves. Let the man rest in peace, but prosecute those that knew about the abuse and said nothing.
Let him die horribly each day for all eternity…
evil prevails when good men do nothing
Grave diggers, just leave him alone!!! Enough is enough already, we heard it all the first time, what do you want blood!!! He is dead, leave him in peace he paid the penalty!!!
Not yet, but he is probably starting to now…
So if there are victims who haven’t come forward yet, your saying, you want them to shut up ?
you seem to have some problem with people speaking up for themselves and others
over and over and over
if that is too much for you, then perhaps you needn’t be reading it
best wishes
For those of you discussing pedophile, homosexual, heterosexual, there is discussion among some members of the APA to not classify pedophilia as an disorder in the DSM and then how would it be illegal. They know it would cause a stir but it is being discussed.
Yep. There is no end game with the radical gay activists.
Could you provide that link so the rest of us can review that information first hand. Nothing against you or anything but I like to review information like this first hand rather than “I heard someone tell someone that they heard this was going to happen”.
So if you would be so kind as to provide that link I would be eternally grateful.
Sorry the long url. There were other links with similar info. Discussions on the topic as of now in APA circles.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=homosexuals%20dsm%20pedophelia&source=web&cd=16&ved=0CF8QFjAFOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freerepublic.com%2Ffocus%2Ff-news%2F2767588%2Fposts&ei=xDIcULWMDuns0gG6j4GABA&usg=AFQjCNGwPPMvPcGPyG6OGrEmDh-TKtyhPQ
Grave diggers, what do you want blood?! We have heard it once isn’t that enough! The gay priest paid his price, he committed suicide!!! It is okay to be gay and be a priest but you can’t abuse children, in a matter of fact he is not suppose to have sex period!!! What is the matter with these gay community people, don’t you know the trouble you are going to get yourself into, Oh, Yes it very easy to get out of it commit suicide! What don’t you go out and find out what morality is all about! When are the news people going to let go, he is dead, is is not coming back to face the judge he has already done that!! Enough is enough, LET IT GO!!!
I want the people who turned a blind eye to this and let it go onto pay. If they are not held held responsible who is to say this will not happen again? Makes me think Carson is not the only one that is molesting kids that is covered up for .
Well said! That is the real issue!
In today’s world where there are all kinds of high tech gadgets to record voices and take pictures secretly, young people have tools to expose these pedophiles. All they need to do is gather evidence that would make it impossible for others to remain in denial. If the adults in their world would rather perpetuate the evil by not handling the abuse, the young person could post it on the internet.
The traumatized are *often* unable to be, like:
“young people have tools to expose these pedophiles. All they need to do is gather evidence”
It can take decades – to even *tell* about one’s own: pain, shame, terror, guilt, self-blame, confusion, suspicion, dread, anxiety, panic, etc. about very much of all this.
I have known people in their 60s and 70s who have not managed this – it gets so you can tell that people have been molested and abused. I’ve seen the look on their faces, in their eyes, even as they *smile* and do the *calm* act.
I truly hope that you have not ever experienced it, yourself.
Best Wishes.
P.S. the “trauma” is the key …
… it creates an “amygdala” (brain region) response: “Fight-or-Flight-or-Freeze” reaction.
… same with combat veterans, (PTSD).
Medication doesn’t heal (re-train) the amygdala response, mostly just dulls (sedates) some of the symptoms (maybe).
Do you recall in the report Carlson was seen leaving from behind the school at the gay park with a young child in the car? He was not there for adult homosexual sex. He was sexually abusing a child. Get with the program hater.
Oh, you are with the Christian Civic League. Did you miss the bus to Mass. with a visit to chick-fil-a? Man, you missed a free meal with hormone induced chicken.
My condolences to the children who were abused. I have no pity for this man.
Changeling (film)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
This article is about the 2008 film directed by Clint Eastwood. For the 1980 film, see The Changeling (film).
Based on real-life events in 1928 Los Angeles, the film stars Angelina Jolie as a woman who is reunited with her missing son—only to realize he is an impostor. She confronts the city authorities, who vilify her as an unfit mother and brand her delusional. The dramatized incident was connected to the “Wineville Chicken Coop” kidnapping and murder case. Changeling explores female disempowerment, political corruption, child endangerment, and the repercussions of violence.
Yes the “Wineville Chicken Coop” murders where a mother and son murdered three young males.
Did you forget that the son was sexually abused by both his mother and father Son?
Did you forget that Momma confessed to one of the murders committed and was sentenced to life in prison only to be released after 10 years I believe.
I am actually surprised you didn’t use the IMDB as your source. Well all know that Hollywood never bends the truth, adds events that never occurred, etc…to a movie.
Have you seen the movie?
No Son I haven’t. I normally like to deal in facts when it comes to criminal case rather then Hollywood’s version of facts.
Did you happen to see any of these headlines in your internet search?
Highest Number Of Anti-Gay Murders Ever Reported In 2011: The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (2012)
Christmas murder of gay couple rocks Ft. Lauderdale (2010)
Teen Shoot and Hack Gay Roommate to Death – from the article “As for Starr, his lifeless body was found shot (by both a handgun and
shotgun), stabbed (with the side of his body carved with a word), and
torn up with the axe. Catawba County Sheriff Coy Reid says it’s
“probably one of the worst scenes I have seen in my 30 years of law
enforcement.”” (2011)
In the movie The Changeling, the mother and the pastor who protested the corruption became the enemy.
Isn’t that just what is being done to the Christians here on this forum?
What exactly were THE WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP murders?
“Am I your enemy because I tell you the truth?” – St. Paul
Here are some questions and facts to think on Son.
Question: How many young boys were murdered in this case?
Fact: Police found no complete bodies, but they discovered personal effects of the three children reported missing, a blood-stained axe, and partial body parts, including bones, hair and fingers, from the three victims buried in lime near the chicken house at the Northcott ranch near Wineville – hence the name “Wineville Chicken Coop Murders”.
Question: Why was Gordon Northcott’s mother and accomplice, Sarah Louise Northcott role in the murders never disclosed in the movie?
Fact: Northcott’s mother confessed to Walter Collins’ murder. At her trial, she testified that she dealt the final blow to the boy, and then they buried him in a hole next to the chicken coop, where they threw sick and dead chickens.
Fact: Changeling, a 2008 film based in part on the Gordon Stewart Northcott case. The film primarily depicts the plight of Christine Collins, the mother of Walter Collins, and her search for her real son. The film depicts all the major figures in the case except for Gordon Northcott’s mother and accomplice, Sarah Louise Northcott, who was convicted of killing Walter. In the film, there is a reference to a boy who came forward several years later after Northcott’s execution and related
having escaped from the chicken coops, and suggesting that Walter Collins may have also escaped. There has never been any substantiating evidence put forward that such an escape ever occurred, or that the boy who came forward even knew of a Walter Collins, to support this notion presented in the film.
And that Son is why I don’t use Hollywood as the basis for making factual statements about real life criminal cases.
Wake up, please.
No one saw him jump and the cameras didn’t seem to be working. Suicide seems to be the out. or did he have dirt on others and if he was about to be exposed was he going to expose others.. seems the people investigating his death knew him. and they can determine anything as a cause of death since no one will question them. Nice world we live in.
God bless the memory of the heroic Reverend Brieglev.
The liberal establishment creates the climate for these horrors to occur, then it condemns and stigmatizes those who speak out.
Even Clint Eastwood could see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYysWbngFwY
Tragic as the kidnapping story (“Changling”) that you suggested is, Clint Eastwood directed a LOT more child molesting -specific- film … in the (2003) “Mystic River”.
It didn’t come out well – at all.
The most honest words in the world come from a child. Maybe people should start listening and look to see what’s under the collar!!
People need to speak up when they have knowledge about something like this! I do not understand why they do not. This is NOT something to keep silent about! I hope those that knew about these activities can live with themselves- God only knows how much harm they aided & abetted.
I think that this is pretty despicable. There are a lot of comments on here that insinuate that because Bob Carlson had homosexual/predatory relationships with young boys that suddenly all Homosexuals should pay the price somehow. If that logic is correct, then all white people should pay the price for slavery and genocide. Instead, I tend to believe that as a society and a culture we have the opportunity to grow but some of you clearly wish to wallow in your contempt for people who had nothing to do with Bob Carlson’s disgusting appetites.
I should be happy though. Unlike Bob Carlson, people like you are easier to identify than pedophiles.
I think your opinion is pretty despicable. How long must society continue to be led astray by those who disrespect our Christian heritage and the family unit? No one is making anyone “pay the price”–Carlson’s victims have already done that. We are trying to make sure people aren’t afraid to speak out in the future, so that this stuff gets CLEANED up in our part of Maine. We are trying to make sure that we can speak openly and boldly about the truth of the price that is paid for adopting this dangerous lifestyle–not only in this life, but especially in the next. We are trying to show the world that the silent majority will no longer remain silent in the face of these crimes and the propaganda of these radical groups like GLAAD, GLISN and NAMBLA. It is time for the pendulum to swing towards the middle.
“All white people should pay the price for slavery and genocide.” Huh?…what price are you suggesting? Our culture has been pilloried for decades for things done 100+ years ago. Are you suggesting Native Americans should also pay the price for their massacres?
Some of us are tired of being made second class citizens with limited rights in our own country by a tiny, radical, minority of homosexual activists.
“Easier to identify??” What’s that all about? Yea, I have nothing to hide, I’m not Carlson, or anything like those who coddled him and “fellow shipped” with him.
The pendulum you want swung will not stop in the middle…it wont stop until it hits the far right based on your post.
The Founding Fathers went to great length to insure that no one religion was any more or less important than another religion. They had the opportunity to establish one religion as “the” religion but decided not to.
The Native Americans you refer to were protecting THEIR land from encroachment by white European settlers. The Native Americans you refer to were give blankets infected with small pox by the U.S. Government. The Native Americans you refer to were attacked without warning in some cases and every last “brave”, women and child were butchered by the U.S. Calvary lead in part by LtCol George Armstrong Custer.
And being a WASP myself please inform me how my rights are being “limited” by a “tiny, radical, minority of homosexual activists”?
Grave diggers, just leave him alone!!! Enough is enough already, we
heard it all the first time, what do you want blood!!! He is dead, leave
him in peace he paid the penalty!!!
yes it most certainly should be paid in blood! This man would not even face his crimes, however there are people out there still haunted by what this man did. The distrust he placed in our community will continue to rot us from our core. His memory, legacy and corps all need to be distroyed are if they were infected with deadly virus or bacteria.
Thank you Nok-Noi for pushing for the truth and believing enough in what you were hearing to pursue it.
Oh please…Clark Cable he was not. He was an out and out BSer and liar. And turns out to be a coward as well. If there is a hell he is surely there..
Here’s a thought, life long friend or not who calls someone suspected of sexually abusing childern for over 40 years to let them know the police are coming down on them if they are not involved themself. It seems to me like Glen Ross maybe more than just a friend of the priest but could also be invovled. They say not to turn our heads so i’m just putting it out there.