LOS ANGELES — For nearly a century, the Boy Scouts of America has relied on a confidential blacklist known as the “perversion files” as a crucial line of defense against sexual predators.
Scouting officials say they’ve used the files to prevent hundreds of men who had been expelled for alleged sexual abuse from returning to the ranks. They’ve fought hard in court to keep the records from public view, saying confidentiality was needed to protect victims, witnesses and anyone falsely accused.
“It is a fact that Scouts are safer because the barrier created by these files is real,” Scouts Chief Executive Robert Mazzuca said in video posted on the organization’s website in June.
That barrier, however, has been breached repeatedly.
A Los Angeles Times review of more than 1,200 files dating from 1970 to 1991 found more than 125 cases across the country in which men allegedly continued to molest Scouts after the organization was first presented with detailed allegations of abusive behavior.
Predators slipped back into the program by falsifying personal information or skirting the registration process. Others were able to jump from troop to troop around the country thanks to clerical errors, computer glitches or the Scouts’ failure to check the blacklist.
In some cases, officials failed to document reports of abuse in the first place, letting offenders stay in the organization until new allegations surfaced. In others, officials documented abuse but merely suspended the accused leader or allowed him to continue working with boys while on “probation.”
In at least 50 cases, the Boy Scouts expelled suspected abusers, only to discover later that they had re-entered the program and were accused of molesting again.
One scoutmaster was expelled in 1970 for sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy in Indiana. Even after being convicted of the crime, he went on to join two troops in Illinois between 1971 and 1988. He later admitted to molesting more than 100 boys, was convicted of the sexual assault of a Scout in 1989 and was sentenced to 100 years in prison, according to his file and court records.
In 1991, a Scout leader convicted of abusing a boy in Minnesota returned to his old troop _ right after getting out of jail.
“Basically, there were no controls,” said Bill Dworin, a retired Los Angeles police expert on child sexual abuse who reviewed hundreds of the files as a witness for an Oregon man abused by his troop leader in the 1980s. In 2010, the plaintiff, Kerry Lewis, won a nearly $20-million jury verdict against the Scouts.
In response to the Times’ findings, the Scouts issued a statement that said in part:
“The Boy Scouts of America believes even a single instance of abuse is unacceptable, and we regret there have been times when the BSA’s best efforts to protect children were insufficient. For that we are very sorry and extend our deepest sympathies to victims…. We are committed to the ongoing enhancement of our program, in line with evolving best practices for protecting youth.”
The Scouts have maintained “ineligible volunteer” files in one form or another since at least 1919 to keep track of men who failed to meet Scouting’s moral standards. Files that involved allegations of child sexual abuse were dubbed “perversion files.” A master list of those banned from Scouting has been computerized since 1975 and is used to vet applicants for volunteer and paid positions.
Only a select few in Scouting have access to the files, which are kept in 15 locked cabinets at Scout headquarters in Irving, Texas. But over the years, hundreds of the files have been admitted as evidence, usually under seal, in lawsuits by former Scouts alleging a pattern of abuse in the organization.
Many of the files will soon be made public as a result of an Oregon Supreme Court decision. The court, in response to a petition by the Oregonian, the Associated Press, The New York Times and other media organizations, ordered the release of 1,247 files from 1965 to 1984 that had been admitted as evidence, under seal, in the 2010 lawsuit.
In anticipation of the release, attorneys for the Boy Scouts conducted an informal review of 829 of the files, saying they sought to put the contents in perspective. The Scouts said the review found 175 instances in which the files prevented men who’d been banned for alleged abuse from reentering the program.
The Times analyzed an overlapping, though broader and more recent, set of files, which were submitted in a California court case in 1992. Their contents vary but often include biographical information on the accused, witness statements, police reports, parent complaints, news clippings, and correspondence between local Boy Scout officials and national headquarters.
The accounts that emerge are often incomplete. But the Scouts ultimately deemed the allegations sufficiently credible to expel the suspected abusers.
Many files contain searing descriptions of molestation from young victims.
“I was crying, and I reached around and hit Max in the face, and said I was going to quit the troop and tell my daddy,” a 10-year-old Scout wrote in 1972, describing his alleged rape by a Georgia troop leader, Samuel Max Dubois Jr. “Then we heard the others coming back, and Max said put your pants back on.”
Dubois was not tried in that case but was expelled from the Scouts. He was later convicted of child sexual abuse in North Carolina and spent 14 years in prison, state records show.
Today, the Boy Scouts of America says it continues to use the confidential files as part of its efforts to prevent child abuse. In recent decades, it has added other protective measures. In 1988, for instance, Scouting did away with probation; its policy now is to expel anyone suspected in “good faith” of abuse. In 2008, criminal background checks were required on all volunteers, and in 2010 the organization required all suspected abuse to be reported to law enforcement.
The extent to which these measures have succeeded is impossible to gauge: The Scouts continue to fight in court against the release of more recent files.
The case of a Southern California troop leader named Stephen Field illustrates how porous the Scouts’ protections were in the 1970s and ’80s.
Scouting officials first investigated Field in 1971, when a Santa Monica Scout said the leader had sexually abused him.
A troop committee including parents and a psychiatrist concluded unanimously that the boy’s story was true and discovered that Field had a history of inappropriate behavior _ including making Scouts run around naked after games of strip poker, according to the file.
But no one called police. Instead, a regional Scout leader followed what was then standard procedure: He filled out a biographical form on Field and assembled the evidence for national headquarters, which opened a confidential file and deleted Field’s name from the membership rolls.
From that point forward, any time Field tried to register as a Scouting volunteer, his name was supposed to be checked against a national list of those in the confidential files. Scouting officials assured the regional Scout leader that Field would never participate in Scouting again.
But he did. He was involved with several Southern California troops over the next 17 years, according to his file.
Contacted recently by The Times, Field explained that after he failed a lie detector test required by the Santa Monica troop committee, he was encouraged to transfer to another troop in the city, where he served as scoutmaster for four years.
“They said it had all been cleared up with the Scouts,” Field said.
In Valencia, he joined his brother-in-law’s troop but left after a parent intercepted a love letter he had written to a Scout, the file shows. At one point, the file says, Field was caught watching pornography with naked Scouts in his Jacuzzi.
No one appears to have reported either incident to national headquarters at the time.
Headquarters didn’t learn that Field had re-entered the Scouts until 1988, when a Scouting official in Fillmore reported that “Steve Field,” chairman of the local troop committee, had been arrested for masturbating with a boy. It took a few days for officials to confirm he was the same Stephen D. Field who had been expelled in 1971.
Sheriff’s investigators found pictures of nude boys dating back 10 to 15 years in Field’s possession and asked the Boy Scouts for their file on Field.
The national office complied, with one request: “We hope you will use this information with discretion since we have tried to maintain our files so that they cannot be subpoenaed in any legal action,” wrote Paul Ernst, administrator of the confidential files from the 1970s into the 1990s.
Ultimately, Field was convicted of abusing two 13-year-old-boys in Fillmore and sentenced to 12 years in prison, his file indicates.
In the interview, Field, 67, who now works in a law office in the Central Valley, denied most of the allegations, except those of which he was convicted.
Told he had been on the Scouts’ blacklist since 1971, he expressed surprise at how long he had been able to remain in Scouting.
“It’s like a no-fly list,” he said. “If your name is on the no-fly list, you shouldn’t be able to get on a plane.”
Field said he had no further contact with Scouts after his conviction.
Other convicted molesters were able to return to the ranks.
In 1973, Scoutmaster Alan C. Dunlap was arrested in Fresno on suspicion of using his position to abuse several children.
“He was arrested for the worst kind of sex deviation,” the grandmother of some victims wrote in a letter to prosecutors contained in Dunlap’s file. “It was through his Scout work that his contacts and friendships had been made.”
The Scouts had opened a file on Dunlap after he pleaded guilty to four counts of molestation and was committed to a California psychiatric hospital.
Thirteen years later, in 1986, Dunlap had successfully registered as a Scout volunteer in Bryan, Texas, according to his file. There was no indication that anyone checked the blacklist before registering him.
According to court records, he soon began abusing boys, including a 9-year-old Cub Scout whom he later pleaded guilty to molesting. Dunlap was sentenced to 12 years in prison.
The national office received a request to include Dunlap in the confidential file _ then realized he was already there.
“Convicted again _ child molestation,” an official noted.
In some instances, the Boy Scouts of America chose to give alleged molesters a second chance.
In a 1992 deposition, Ernst, then keeper of the national file, testified that alleged abusers were given probation _ which required periodic updates on the person’s behavior _ only if evidence of molestation was “extremely weak.”
An individual’s confidential file was generally destroyed after probation was completed. But the files sometimes survived when the men went on to abuse again. Several of those cases suggest the initial evidence of abuse was strong.
In September 1978, Scouting officials in North Carolina investigated the alleged abuse of a Scout by Mark F. Bumgarner, a 21-year-old assistant scoutmaster.
One night after most Scouts had retired to their tents at Camp Schiele, the boy stayed up talking with Bumgarner, who reached into the boy’s pants and fondled him, according to a statement from the boy’s father that is in Bumgarner’s file. The boy objected repeatedly, but Bumgarner persisted, telling him “the cartilage in (his) penis was similar to his nose and that he could break it,” the father wrote.
After “considerable discussion,” the national office decided that Bumgarner, an Eagle Scout and the son of the pastor whose church sponsored the troop, deserved another chance.
Months later, he was arrested for sexually abusing two Scouts during a camp-out. He pleaded guilty to one count of child abuse, prompting the national office to expel him and open a file.
Six years later, Bumgarner was back, serving as an assistant district commissioner with the Scouts in Fairfax, Va. National headquarters learned about his return to Scouting only in April 1988, when Bumgarner was sentenced to six years in prison for the sexual battery of two boys.
Probation also was given to Floyd David Slusher, a 19-year-old staffer at a Boy Scout camp in Germany, who was caught abusing a Scout in 1972 and sent home to the United States.
“Even after he was caught, they had to physically withstrain him of attempting to visit the Scout he was molesting,” a Scouts official wrote to headquarters.
A file was opened, but Slusher was allowed to continue working with Scouts. He went on to molest at least eight boys in a Boulder, Colo., troop, threatening to kill them if they told, according to a Boulder County Sheriff’s Department report in his file.
“Almost every Boy Scout in Troop 75 and Troop 73 has been approached sexually by Slusher on one time or another,” a detective wrote, adding that the victims were “too numerous” to interview.
After pleading guilty in 1977 to one count of sexually assaulting a child, Slusher was sentenced to prison, according to Colorado corrections records, and later released. In 1990, he was convicted of another child-abuse crime and is now serving a 25-year sentence, state records show.
The Boy Scouts abolished probation and suspensions in 1988, around the same time a notorious case in San Mateo was coming to light.
Richard Stenger, the head of a unit of the Sea Scouts — part of the Boy Scouts — was charged in 1971 with tying up and fondling three boys. Police found bondage equipment and books on pedophilia in his house.
He was convicted of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and a judge sentenced him to four years’ probation, his file shows. The Scouts decided to suspend him during that period. But when the court-ordered probation ended, a local Scout executive and several parents successfully requested that the national office lift the suspension.
“I feel quite confident that no further problems will arise,” wrote the local Scout executive, whose name is blacked out in the heavily redacted file.
Fourteen years later, in 1989, a parent notified the Boy Scouts that the 320-pound Stenger had padlocked her 11-year-old Scout in a harness and watched him dangle for 15 minutes during a boating trip, according to Stenger’s file. Scouts notified police, who recovered from Stenger’s home dozens of restraints and hundreds of images of children in bondage, including one of a blindfolded 6-year-old tied to a bed.
Two dozen former and current Scouts came forward to say they had been abused by Stenger as long ago as 1958.
“This isn’t in the handbook,” one told police.
Boy Scout ‘perversion files’ reveal repeat child abuse by sexual predators
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And yet, gays can’t be leaders. I’m so glad I don’t have a son. I’d hate to have to explain why I won’t let him be a Boy Scout.
I just told him that the people who run the Scouts aren’t the kind of people that I want him to be hanging around with.
Great answer! I’ll keep that in mind, should I ever find myself raising a boy who wants to be a scout!
Yes. And, unfortunately, don’t trust some unsupervised uncles, older cousins, priests or any elder male, completly, if you want to be totally safe. Don’t be stupid, but don’t necessarily hover, either. Make sure your child knows how to shout loud and run once you’ve taught them the warning signs of physical or sexual abuse. It’s a good idea to do a mini-interview of any older male you encounter; a sniff test, if you will. You’ll know.
I wouldn’t be too sure about that knowing part. Many pedophiles are men you would least expect and have gone undetected for a long time, as we’ve recently seen in the news.
The Boy Scouts have a system however flawed in place to prevent abuse. I wonder how many other boys’ organization have anything like it to prevent abuse. For a list of boys and girls organizations check out the website below that has more than a few listed. Would you want your child “hanging around” with their “kind of people” or just those groups that don’t prohibit gay leaders?
List of youth organizations
http://www.helpingouryouth.info/organizations.php
“Yes, Johnny…um, there is real bad stuff in______________(List profession, activity, group, club, hobby,recreations, professional sport)…why don’t you just stay here and play in dirt and listen to mongolian chanting until its time to go to college”
If you teach your kids the difference between right and wrong you wont have to have this warped conversation with your youth.
There is no preditors on college campuses???
Sooo. You advise that your children should belong with no group?
There have been “bad apples” in any group of people. Even the closest groups, families, have had problems.
The scouts have managed, through their institutional homophobia, to embrace an anti-gay message that has no place in the lives of my children.
I think you need to understand that not liking the liberal mind set does not make one homophobic any more than holding the liberal mindset makes one a communist.
But I do have a program with “progression”. I have watched Homosexuality progress from a criminal mental illness, to just a prevision, to understood, to accecpted, to protected to perfectly norman and now … Where does this progress too?
Perhaps it will end where it belongs, as just people who live differently. It was not a “mental illness” to begin with, that was what a homophobic culture called it.
We can study the parallel “progression” from elder societies in Greece and Rome, and draw our own conclusions about our future.
We certainly could learn from history, but that does require understanding history.
Going back to ancient Greece and Rome is not really necessary, just follow US history within the lifetime of people still living.
On the whole, s0-called gays are not child molesters.
I know. That’s my point. These ‘men’ can keep leading troops (and avoid prosecution), yet a gay man cannot.
Really?
Considering all of these men were interested in boys why would you say this interest was not homsexual in nature?
Pederists are neither heterosexual or homosexual. Their preference is young children.
Pederists will join organizations that cater to the young so that they can get close to the children and gain the confidence of the parents and of the children.
Pederists will also “date” single mothers to reach the same end.
That is complete BS! Dome pedos never touch a boy and some never touch a girl. There is a distinct sexual pref shown in most of the trends for every pedo caught. The crap you are spouting is just that. Crap!
Pederasts are neither homosexual or heterosexual, they are aroused by young children. It is true that some pederasts have a preference for either boys or girls but most do not care about the sex of teh child, just the age of the child
Most? Really? You know that how?
The reality is that their are heteros who prefer their partners to be children and their are homos who prefer their partners to be children and as with adult sexuality their are people who can go either way. None of that means that there are no homsexual pedos. That is pure spin. Also known as a lie.
The reason gays are banned is due to money. The majority of the BSA’s sponsors are conservative religions including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Roman Catholic Church, the various Baptist Conventions, and the Methodists to name a few. All you have to do to get this policy changed is to out-spend/sponsor the above sponsors. Unfortunately, even in scouting, money talks.
This from an active volunteer and Eagle Scout, who won’t walk away from scouting in the hopes that some day the policy will change. It won’t if everyone who disagrees with it walks away.
Silence. That’s what these predators bank on. To find out that the Boy Scouts of America enabled so much sexual abuse isn’t necessarily surprising, but it is heartbreaking. Think of how many young boys could have been saved a lifetime of emotional and physical abuse if only these men had been arrested instead of merely being blacklisted. Parents everywhere should be furious.
Yes. Silence. That is what the late Reverand Carlson of Bangor and Orrington banked on as well. He banked on it by apparently creating PCHC to cleverly funnel money to the doctors, therapists, etc… to buy their silence once his victims began to surface with sex abuse complaints and get treatment. I echo your question too. Think of how many young boys continued to be harmed by Carlson and could have been saved a lifetime of emotional trauma if only the doctors, police and therapists had acted to stop him instead of remaining … silent.
Don’t call him Reverend. He was, among other things, a liar about his educational background.
I read this article on yahoo news and as sad as it is to see these things happen, it is also sad to read an article that was written by a gay man with a grudge against the Boy Scouts. Some folks are vindictive, and it shows in this article.
Yes because the boy scouts have been doing a great job preventing this.
So a gay person can’t be unbiased?
Of course not. We all know the only unbiased people on the palnet are heterosexual white males.
Even sadder is to watch people spout outright lies because they seek every opportunity to demonize homosexuals.
James, if the article were written by a straight man, would it make a difference to you? You don’t seem to be taking exception to the opinions or facts of this article, just that you believe the author is gay and seems to have focused on the BSA.
Poster James has a point. The writer of the article picked on the Boys Scouts. Why has he not mentioned anything about all the other numerous youth groups? You would think if he was unbiased he would have at least mentioned these and compared their record of abuse to the Boy Scouts’. But no. This is clearly an effort to single out the Boy Scouts for their bar against homosexual leaders. It is all part of an orchestrated effort by the media to discredit anyone or organization that rejects homosexuality.
List of youth organizations
http://www.helpingouryouth.info/organizations.php
You mean like the Catholic Church? They don’t protect pedophiles, they are victims of an orchestrated effort by the media to discredit anyone or organization that rejects homosexuality… or you know, they protected pedophiles, one of the two.
“They don’t protect pedophiles”, according to you?? You must be having a migraine headache because I don’t think that’s what you really meant to say. Anyway, I certainly hope “they don’t protect pedophiles” after all the singular criticism the church has received over the past decade. But isn’t it more accurate to say that children were not adequately protected from pedophiles? That said, to its credit the church has made a lot of progress on the issue of child protection in recent years, more than any organization I know of. Our notorious public school system has not even begun an effective protection program to date that I know of.
PS: I don’t know what the issue of Boy Scout “perversion” files has anything to do with the Catholic Church. All this sounds like a purposeful distraction from the main issue in order to discredit another organization that rejects homosexuality. My, my.
I believe that the jist of this article hinges on the Boy Scouts keeping a list of pedophiles or suspected pedophiles that infiltrated into positions of trust. I see no reason why that list should be held confidential to police or the proper authorities. The BSA are being singled out because of the list. If the Roman Catholic Church, Presbiterian, Lutherin, Jewish, Islamic, or anyother religion or organization that has access to children and should be considered trustworth has a list of pedophiles or suspected pedophiles, they too would and should be targeted if they aren’t sharing their list with the proper authorities.
Why do the Boy Scouts and other organizations have a list? It certainly was not merely to look at and admire. God only knows how many more children would have been abused w/o a list to keep tract of abusers. Just because the list was not foolproof – neither are law enforcement and the court system capabilities foolproof – doesn’t mean sincere efforts weren’t made to stem abuse. Maybe you see no reason for their lists to be kept confidential, but they are for reasons spelled out in the article.
Yes, you are absolutely right the BSA is being singled out, but not because of their “perversion” list. As I illustrated in my prior comments, it’s obviously due to the BSA’s stand against homosexuality. Spin all you want, there is no other reason. When I see equal efforts to expose all the youth organizations, then I’ll side with your opinion. But I doubt very much that will ever happen with homosexual activists like the author of the article and the BDN whose primary agenda is to promote the homosexual lifestyle by systematically taking down their opponents.
No, I think we can all agree that child molesters are a problem. Blindly hating gays like you and others do under the guise of of faith is a whole other thing completely. Gay people aren’t any more likely to be pedophiles than straight people are.
Your comment is IRRELEVANT AND HATEFUL. The issue is not about me. It’s about the article.
Oh please, you’re screeching that gay people have this awful and nefarious agenda all because they’re upset that BSA is protecting child molesters. You’re literally saying protecting child molesters is better than being gay and speaking out against harming children. THAT is what is hateful, just like the majority of your other comments. I’m reply to your ridiculous opinions — so yes, the issue is you.
Sorry – but not sorry – you’ll just have to put up with me.
And you’ll just have to put up with the truth that gay people are as good as you. Smear and lie about them all you want, but they’re as good as you.
I would hope that there is equal effort to expose pedohiles in all walks of life. Let’s use every means possible to bring to light the methods pedophiles use to gain your trust. Let’s educate parents and guardians to their methods. Let’s stop turning a blind eye to pedophelia in the false premise that the institution or family name needs to be protected. Let’s not become like much of the middle east under sharia law where the victims are punished instead of the perpetrator, all in the of protecting family names.
The ‘SHAME’ should be placed where it rightfully belongs. On the pedophiles and those that turn a blind eye to their actions.
I fully concur with your point. But lets not forget too that getting rid of abuse is a learning process. It’s easy to criticize others for lack of action when indeed they were doing what they thought was appropriate. For instance, lets not be too harsh because someone failed to make a report of abuse to the Department of Human Services instead of the State Police. And, lets not play this game of singling out organizations or churches. If our quest to stamp out abuse is genuine, we should call it wherever it is detected. Right now what we often witness are witch hunts against certain organizations while incidents of abuse are universal.
At the same time let’s not be silent about abuse within an organzation until we have proof of misdeeds in other organizations. We have to root it out no matter where it raises its ugly head.
It appears to me like the BSA was attempting to protect young boys from perversion long before youyr police protection ever gave a crap for children. I speak from experience when I tell you that the blind eye was the rule with the police as early as the mid 70s. The BSA was policing itself long before any of you cared enough to notice the problem.
A blind eye to pedophiles has been the problem all over the spectrum for many years. People took the shame upon themselves. Too many people were afraid to speak up in their communities if they knew that a respected member of that community was preying upon children. The recent case in Bangor of Carlson is a prime example.
There has to be a start somewhere to change priorities from protecting the institution to protecting the victims. There has to be a general education of the public that pedophiles operate the way they do because too many are willing to turn a blind eye to pedophilia.
So now it is somehow acceptable to say the BSA was not doing enough during a time when everyone else was doing nothing at all? It is the same with Carlson. Back when he was doing the things he was doing you could not bring a local powerful figure down with innuendo and unsubstantiated suggestions. Now it looks like you can and you can also go back in time a go after those who didn’t do enough when they received some anonymous phone call. Of course you also get to judge what should have been enough using that 20/20 hindsight vision.
Of course I get to judge, given the full story. Others had the full story and chose not to act upon that information. There are a fair amount of stories of late that are prime examples of that. Penn State just being one of them. Do you think Penn State would be in the trouble they are now if they had acted appropiately when the actions of Sandusky first came to light?
I’m not saying they should be excused for turning a blind eye either but considering the culture of the era when the events happened they were not doing anything different than everyone else was doing. Now however things have changed and we appear to wish to punish people in retrospect and by using as compilation of what Police have gethered over months of investigation work. The reality is that from the perspective of one person who heard a rumor or felt someone might be up to something hinky in a time when no one else was willing to challenge the person either you would have been ending your career by making accusation with no evidence.
It seems that in the Sandusky case, that assistant coach that caught Sandusky red handed in the shower with a young boy, he was on the fence as to what he should do or what he could do. In the 20/20 hindsight of it he should have gone to the State Police. Instead he went to Paterno and it went no further. When it went no further he opted to protect his future at Penn State.
A dillema for sure. One that many people face on a daily basis. Protect your career and the institutions or protect a child. Hopefully the childs future will be put in front.
One case only but much easier to judge from hindsight. What if his superior had looked into it and there had been nothing to substantiate the claims? Then when the young nobody went to the police he would have been finished for life. He gave the issue to his boss and expected it to be taken care of. He was a young kid himself so it isn’t too hard to believe he trusted the system to work given the time needed. I actually think that making comparisons between that case and any part of this case in Bangor are way out of line. There was no one here with enough information on their own to make any case against Carlson. He had them all fooled for the most part.
Which brings us to the old saying that, ‘you can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time. But you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.’
A gay person can’t be unbiased? Only a straight person can be?
An inadequate policy is worse than no policy at all, because it gives the illusion that protections against sexual abuse of children exists. In reality, the children are on their own with the predators who have a sexual preference for children rather than consenting adults.
” it is also sad to read an article that was written by a gay man with a grudge against the Boy Scouts. Some folks are vindictive, and it shows in this article.”
James! Where are you getting your information? James Felch is an award winning journalist and author with a wife and kids. He also co-authored this article with Kim Christensen. I find nothing vindictive in this article. I do feel there is a justifiable amount of outrage expressed over the lack of resposiblity displayed by a multitude of people in the Scouts organization. The Scouts tried to cover up or handle themselves things that should have been reported to the police. Repeatedly their mistakes, clerical errors, and computer glitches gave theses predators another chance to abuse.
I got my information from California. He is a gay rights supporter at the least, which is fine with me, but because of that, and his position, he is pouncing on the boy scouts because of their reluctance to incorporate gays into their organization. Are the Boy Scouts of America Fair game? Probably so, but thats the way I see his involvment.
I think he is pouncing on them because they have let molesters in and were not very quick about making sure they do not get in again. Yet they seem very quick at getting the gays out.
I agree. The administrators of the Scouts have a Penn State mentality.
When you cannot deny the facts, attack the messenger. Which book did Jesus preach that one?
The one book you do not have the blessing to interpret.
neither do you
As long as we keep the subject away from taxes, I’m good with it!
I don’t see anything wrong with a gay man having a grudge against the Boy Scouts. I’m heterosexual and I have a grudge against them and their bigoted policies.
Bangorian you are also naive if you also believe that a homosexual is incapable of being a pedophile just as much as a heterosexual is. We as parents should be careful who we leave our children with. And just because someone is homosexual or heterosexual if you feel uncomfortable leaving your child with them follow that gut feeling. Who cares if your homo or hetero friend is offended.
Methinks he doest protest too much…
There is a book called Scout’s Honor: Sexual Abuse in America’s Most Trusted Institution by Patrick Boyle. I found it shocking to read. For two reasons the abuses that were never reported and I was from the school were the abuser came from. He was a wonderful man, a teacher, a confidant and a friend.I was alone with this man many times and with groups of friends,he taught me to drive,we all loved him dearly. But then to find out he did such shocking things! This story goes to prove that the abuser can be a well loved and respected person and we all must teach our children to beware in all situations with anyone. Was I ever abused by the person? No, as I am a girl,I felt nothing but love from him. Be vigilant with your children,you just never know.
Vote for gay marriage that will help the Morals of our country
I agree— it is the moral and right thing to do to treat our fellow citizens equally under the laws. ALL Maine families deserve the right to protect the lives they build together with civil marriage. ALL Maine families deserve the right to protect the children they raise together with civil marriage.
As we can plainly see from this article, the Boy Scouts ban on homosexuals is misguided and does not address the actual problem of pedophiles preying on children. Homosexuality is not pedophilia.
I still don’t want a gay person to be teaching my kids about life, whether they are a boy scout leader, teacher, or clergy….
Me neither!
They already are, on the TV, every day, so get over it. Just sayin.
I don’t want bigots like you anywhere near mine, but guess what, you can’t shelter kids. Gay people aren’t anymore likely to engage in pedophilia than straight people. To say otherwise is a lie.
@JustSayin56:disqus – Can you completely confirm that your children have absolutely no contact with any gay person?! I bet you can’t – not all gay people proclaim that they are gay because of people like you!
What are you gonna do if your kids are gay, ban them from talking to you or the rest of your family? People like you are why there’s so much hatred in the world.
I really don’t want a heterosexual to be teaching my kids about life. I would prefer that the one doing the teaching is me and the mother.
Same sex marriage would stop child molestation???
BTW I heard recently that Congress is trying to remove sodomy from the UCMJ.
The article that defines sodomy includes bestiality.
Probably introduced by the Tea Party;)
That makes as little sense as much of what is said here.
Who’d a thunk there are evil monsters in this world…….
Maybe the Boy Scouts should change the long standing rules against leaders who profess a homosexual liferstyle. Maybe they should be allowed to be part of this organization, because, according to this story, criminal homosexuals are already rampant in the boy scouts. Maybe kindler, gentler homosexuals can change the image of this organization and homosexuals in general. They can just teach the positive attributes of that lifestyle without all the rape and bondage.
By the way, pedophiles are secretive by nature…for years even the worst monsters in the world escape detection, its what pedophiles do for a living, besides being pedophiles…kinda of odd, every example for this story is from the early 70’s and 80’s. A Time when tracking these crimes and pedophiles was not law…… This article is a hit piece on the Boy Scouts, as you could write this same article on many, many professions. John Wanyne Gacy worked for local democrats on two seperate occasions, after being jailed for sex crimes many years before, but he hid his record. Evil is called evil for a reason, its evil and evil will do anything it can to stay out of the light…just like pedophiles who use organizations to stay out of the light.
An interesting side bar…..The years mentioned in this article did not require the law to make sure pedophiles were on any special list, they weren’t required to register anywhere, or their movements were not supervised, and no dtat base kept for all to at least try to protect thier family……..The Boy Scouts made an attempt to do what the law and society refused to do, and they get lambasted…
Sure, they won’t allow gays in but sexual predators they allow to go from place to place without cross checking them in their preversion files?! I seriously hope that these higher ups with see the justice they deserve. I am so glad that my two boys are no longer a part of this demented and bigoted society!
These “sexual predators” you speak of ARE gay.
No, they are pedophiles. Pedophiles may prefer boys or girls but the common denominator is that they prefer children over adults.
The common trend is that they prefer children but in most cases they don’t swing both ways in their preferance. Some pedos prefer boys but we are not supposed to call them homesexuals because they prefer the same sex just at a younger age. This only makes sense to someone who wishes to spin for the gay agenda. Their are homsexual pedos and Heterosexual pedos. Why is that so complicated?
That is exactly what I said in two sentences.
Not quite. You seem to imply that Pedos who like boys are not gay. If they are attracted to the same sex whether that be the underage sex or the overage sex they are gay.
No, they’re not. Don’t be willfully ignorant. Pedophilia is not the same thing as homosexuality. Obviously.
I’d rather be willfully ignorant than morally corrupt any day. Obviously.
I am so glad that I don’t live in your dellusional world, @deblogger:disqus ! Wow is all I can say to your comment.
The Boy Scouts should have to open their books, and report all complaints because you would have to fe a fool to think that these four are the only ones.
Be careful, there are groups that you like that have the same issues. Would you want to have whatever group you do support to have to open their files to open public scrutiny?
Yes I would
How logical. They baselessly smear an entire group of people and ban them from being leaders, but then protect people that actually did harm children. Ridiculous and disgusting.
“The Boy Scout Perversion Files”
Does this archaic method of tracking sex offenders within the Boy Scouts of America still exist when the technology is available to prevent known offenders from entering the BSA ranks or re-entering after they have been kicked out?! Given the history of child sexual abuse within the Boy Scouts, I find it astonishing they are not more proactive! Why not require ALL adults working for the BSA either as paid staff or volunteers to be fingerprinted and screened through a criminal background check? Why not REQUIRE reporting to outside law enforcement ANY incidents that a child has reported to a BSA official?! By calling them “The Boy Scout Perversion Files” the BSA acknowledges the deviant behavior of the files’ subjects but it stops short of holding those accountable for their unlawful behavior. By keeping these files in headquarters where access is extremely limited if not altogether prohibited, the BSA effectively protects itself from lawsuits, and in so doing it also protects the perpetrators–while abandoning the children who have been subjected to the horrors of sexual abuse. SHAME ON THE BSA!
Seems to me, gay men have relationships with other gay men and stay away from children from what I’ve ever read or heard. But pedophiles are simply sick, sexual predators that go after children. Sexual predators most usually keep up a front as respectable, straight men – many of whom are regarded as “pillars of the community.” Of course, the moral majority types (which are neither) will be quick to call sexual predators “gay” in their typical ignorance and cultural myopia. The great, unwashed American public refuse to understand that sexual predators are motivated by power over others and the perverse pleasure they crave from that sense of power rather than just the sexual aspect. Mr Sandusky of Penn State is a perfect example – and of course we had our own infamous example, right here in Waldo County – both masquerading as straight, respectable types while ruining young people’s lives as they diddled them. So, to me, it looks like the Boy Scouts of America would rather have the infamy of protecting sexual predators in their organization and be known for smug intolerance of others than help kids understand this screwed-up world they’ve been brought into.
Was anybody from the local Boy Scout interviewed re: carlson, or did they escape the investigation as well? He had so much involvement with the orginazation it would be hard to believe he did not abuse someone there!
Maybe if they worried less about gays and more about these perverts………………….
Really though, to think that gay men would go after young boys is like thinking all straight men go after little girls. A pedophile is a pedophile.
so, its safe to say this society has a segment of people who have unhealthy, anti-societal sexual tendencies. So we should protect our youth against this and identify unhealthy sexual tendencies…….um…….I guess, we are WAY past identifying what unhealthy anti-societal sexual tendencies may be. You cannot separate pedophiles from homosexuality as you cannot separate pedofiles from heterosexuality. There are homosexual pedophiles and heterosexual pedophiles.
Your idea of what constitutes a pervert is perfectly normal to others, thus those with unhealthy sexualy tendencies cannot be kept from society. This favors the pedofile and leaves those who comply with society in thier sexuality and thier families at more risk……
Allowing homosexuality to creep closer and closer to normal allows others with unhealthy sexual tendencies to also creep closer and closer to normal.
Removing all the speed limit signs from a 50 mile stretch of the turnpike and stop all oversight of it would be a joy to all who want to drive 150 miles an hour and a death trap for many other who want to travel that road. Society should favor those who are willing to be a part of a society with average norms, not have to sit back and worry becuase abnormal becomes the new normal.
It’ll be interesting to read the upcoming article covering the number of school teachers who molest and prey upon their students from a position of power and influence…
I’d suggest starting with those former teachers that left Maine when we began finger-printing them a decade ago.