Wednesday night’s presidential debate did highlight substantial differences between former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama. But dig deeper into what they said, compare it to their records, and you’ll find a surprising number of similarities.

Consider the debt. Reducing the debt is a priority for both candidates, and both have acknowledged the worth of some parts of a deficit-cutting plan known as Simpson-Bowles.

During the debate, moderator Jim Lehrer asked Romney, a Republican, if he supports the plan to reduce the more-than $1 trillion federal deficit. Romney did not directly answer the question, saying instead that the president should have grabbed the plan, which called for about $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in new revenue, assuming a full expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts.

Obama, a Democrat, did not fully embrace the plan, though, for a number of reasons, including its steep cuts to the military. Here they agree. Romney has said many times that he will not support military spending cuts. At the debate he said, “I do not believe in cutting our military.”

Second, education. Obama cites investing in education as a way to grow the economy in the long-term. At the debate, he hailed the competitive grant program Race to the Top, which rewards states for raising academic achievement. He said he wants another 100,000 math and science teachers to help educate a more skilled workforce.

At a time when some Republicans have called for eliminating the U.S. Department of Education altogether, and Romney’s vice- residential pick Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan has proposed a budget that would slash education spending, Romney said he does not plan to cut funding for schools.

“I’m not going to cut education funding. I don’t have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college,” he said at the debate. He congratulated Obama on the Race to the Top program; Massachusetts was one state, in fact, that won the national competition.

Third, health care. Romney said he wants to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (though he hasn’t specified how to pay for an alternative), while Obama’s reform prevents health insurance companies from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions and requires people to buy health insurance or pay a fine.

The matter here comes down to believability, particularly because one of Romney’s finest achievements was his Massachusetts healthcare plan. Romney likes what Obama’s healthcare plan accomplishes, just not the federal mandate, and would prefer a state-by-state approach.

At the debate, he said, “What we did in Massachusetts is a model for the nation, state by state.” We ask, then: What’s the difference? If each state should have a version of Obama’s healthcare law, why shouldn’t there be a federal mandate?

The candidates do have their differences — Romney would make the Bush-era tax cuts permanent, while Obama would repeal them for households earning more than $250,000 annually, and they don’t agree on some social issues, for example — but in important ways their views align.

The respective campaigns will keep emphasizing the sometimes-manufactured differences to make it easier to formulate attacks, and the news media will rightly point out opposing approaches, but look through the rhetoric. For all their efforts to convince you otherwise — at debates and on the campaign trail — they agree on more than you might first imagine.

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  1. The debate last night was between a moderate republican and an extreme republican. Since Pres Obama has taken office, he has signed the NDAA (allowing any US citizen to be held indefinately without trial), continued the Patriot act, enacted a huge windfall of profit for the insurance industry with the ACA, continued our wars in the Mideast, He agreed to $450 billion in cuts to Medicare & Medicaid over the next decade and to reformulate social security benefits (the radical republicans were just to stupid to take the deal). More illegal aliens have been deported in Pres Obama’s 4 yrs than Pres Bush’s 8. Gun rights have flourished under the Obama presidency (a fact I am in favor of), in fact pres Obama is personally responsible for the largest sales of civilian AR-15 style rifles in history, after his inauguration ammo sales skyrocketed. Pres Obama has opened up huge tracts of the Gulf, the Arctic, and the fed land on the NW plains to oil and gas exploration, and anyone who thinks he will not allow the Keystone XL to go forward after the election is foolish.
    How people can screech of his socialism escapes me, the man is a republican, albeit a moderate one!

    1. You really believe yourself with that statement? If you believe Obama is a Republican, then you must be so far over to the left yourself that it would be impossible to even see what the right side of the isle even looks like. Obama is the most liberal president we have ever had.

      1. No, I consider myself a Libertarian.
        Just how do you see liberal in the policies and actions of the last 4 years? In fact what policies are currently any different than the 8 years prior to Pres Obama? As I stated, I consider the ACA a big business giveaway, in fact the original idea for it was hatched by the Heritage Foundation. Now he may “sound” liberal, but show me liberal “actions” and “policies” that have occured during his tenure.

        1. Support of SSM, what started out as nationalized healthcare ended up as Obamacare simply because he couldn’t ramrod the original package through the House. Open admitting to supporting some form of income redistribution to better support the poor. Open support of union labor. Emphasis on green energy at the expense of curtailing the exploration and production of current technologies.

          1. I’m not trying to be rude, but that is simply wrong. All of your points recieved verbal support from Pres Obama, but the reality is far different. 1. We both agree that the ACA is a windfall for insurance companies, 2. I hear “talk” of wealth redistribution (usually more from radical republicans), but have you seen proof of it in any form?. 3. Labor Unions are under a major assault in Michigan, Maine, and several other states, where “right to work” laws are being pushed thru the legislature, and collective bargaining for state employees is being stripped. 4. There is more area of the Gulf Of Mexico open to oil exploration now then at any time in history, and 2 major oil companies are moving forward with drilling in the arctic. Not to mention the boomtown shale oil/gas extraction occurring in North Dakota. Yes you are correct, he has “said” all those things, but look around you and see the reality of where the country is.

        2. Democrats still have nightmares over the 1994 elections which cost them millions of votes due to Clinton’s gun control policies. that is the only reason Obama has not advanced any gun control legislation. ideologically he is in the same camp as Michael Bloomberg and Michael Moore

          1. Well, actions speak louder than words, and nationwide gun rights are at an all time high. He also fully supported the SCOTUS decision to allow hangun ownership in DC.

      2. The most liberal president we ever had enacted a health care law that had a moderate Republican mandate at it’s core, failed to push at all for a public option, and gave huge concessions to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. He’s ramped up the drone and Afghan Wars, continued the inane war on drugs and warrantless wiretaps, gone after whistleblowers of government malfeasance with a vengeance.He’s accepted some of the arguments of the Simpson/Bowles plan that would pain seniors and the poor to appease deficit hysteria and give him the prestige of a Grand Bargainer. He’s failed to attempt prosecution of Wall Street fraud, BP eco-disaster, and torture. He’s hired some of the same Goldman Sachs frat boys to fix the economy that caused the problem in the first place. The fact that the GOP has had to tack to the right of Barry Goldwater to differentiate themselves from Obama doesn’t make him a liberal. If anything he was naive in thinking that adopting these moderate policies would cause the GOP to meet him halfway. All it did was cause them to move their positions to Ayn Randville. LBJ spins in his grave. If the list above constitute the policies of the most liberal president you know, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    2. He is a socialist because he wants to massively expand the control of the federal government over our lives and redistribute weath from workers to non-workers and from the young to the old.

      He has expanded government control over the car industry, the banking industry, the insurance industry, the health care industry, etc.

      The Patriot act, indefinite detention, windfall profits based on crony capitalism are NOT based on conservative or Republican principles.

      1. The Patriot Act and the NDAA were overwhelmingly supported by the republican congress (and a majority of democrats as well), They voted for it down the party line (with the exception of Ron Paul).
        I fail too see how giving taxpayer money to the auto industry, the banking industry, the insurance industry and the health care industry without enacting any government controls over those industries amounts to socialism. The banking industry got their huge bailout with no consequenses, and no harsher regulations.
        And I disagree, ,Crony Capitalism is a base principle of Both the republican and democratic parties.

  2. I see it this way. Remember how Bush senior showed amazement over scanners at a grocery store? Well that’s how Mitt would be if he had the time or inclination to even venture out into the real world for five minutes. He’s lived on a comfort cloud so long that he’s forgotten that people like us are even trying to live down below. Will such a man do anything in our interest? I don’t think so. All he’s interested in is cleansing the dust (us) from the air so that his cloud will be a brighter shade of pale.  We can and will choose better than him.

    1.  You do know that Bush & the grocery store scanner story is in part false. It really happened at an exhibit hall at a convention for grocers and was a new display model checkout line featuring new technology.

      1. Where it took place, yes party false.  The technology was at the time quite common even to us up here in the backwoods of Maine (Ya think Washington was falling behind us?).  Sooooo…sorry, dispite your attempt here to cover for the “smart” Bush he was in fact just as out of touch as Mittens. 

        1. Yes scanners were common…. but new tech add-ons for the time weren’t. Items quite common now that weren’t then. Media is a wonderful thing.

      1. Republicans have learned that lying works. It goes back to Bush who learned that if you repeat a lie enough times people come to believe it. Romney’s success in private equity was based on lies as he would win a company based on a price and then over time lie about why the price was too high and then lower the price. His peers hate him and this is the reason.
          Lying works for Romney, so he does it. And the media lets him.

        1. “he would win a company based on a price and then over time lie about why the price was too high and then lower the price.”  ~~~~~ sickofcorporatocracy

          Do you know what you are talking about or do you make it up as you go along?

    2. You do realize that your comment is more appropriate for Obama than Romney.  Obama has no clue what the real world is like – he has never ever lived in it.

      1. What delusional potions do you right wingers take?  Is it something turns you into consummate liars?  MittTwit was born to a millionaire who handed MittTwit the world on a silver platter.  Obama was born to a working class single mom who at one time had to use food stamps for a time while finishing her education, and Obama spent years working and paying back his student loans.  TeaPublicans live in an alternative universe in a big way.  And the LIAR AND FLIPFLOPPER IN CHIEF MITT-TWIT ROBME WILL LOSE THIS ELECTION.

        1.  Please list you sources. I realize folks like you and Stillexlaxin love to demonize every republican whom ever existed, but you premise is false, so you must defend it with proof.

        2.  Talk about delusional.

          Romney donated his inheritance from his father to charity.  Not to mention that he has personally earned everything he has.

          Obama had a “working class single mom”.  What a joke.  She was a world traveling, highly educated professional.  There is no evidence that Obama has actually “worked” anywhere.  In fact, what evidence do you have that he ever had any student loans?    He is our affirmative action president who has been handed everything in life with him having done little or nothing to earn it.

          1. Romney got all the best schooling and went to the best colleges without having to pay a dime with no student loans to bog him down. Romney also asked his father for a $10 million dollar loan to start his first business.  How many people do you know that could do that?

            Romney has never lived in the “real ” world, unlike Obama who has worked for everything he got.  No $10 million dollar loans for him to start his business

          2. Affirmative Action?

            Poor Mitt Romney had to cash in the  Inheritance Investment Check that his dad gave him to go through College!

            So tell me whats the differance between “Affirmative Action” and “Inheritance Action”!

            Somebody else paid  for both!

            Never held a Job?

            Mitt held two at once (Retroactively)!!

            LOL

    1. I don’t know why the reporter would ask the question “to what extent do Obama, Romney differ on issues”. Everybody knows it’s all black and white really. Duh.

  3. American were fooled the first time around. Think about it. people making 35K a year were buying $350,000 homes and thought they could afford it. Heck property on a home like that is at least 10K a year. Barney Frank thought that would balance things out. Obama doesn’t want the poor to make more money he wants the rich to make less.. His plans are working fine, to make everyone poor.

  4. Obama is a good reader.  Without a teleprompter, he doesn’t have a lick of sense.  Maybe Obama was courting the sympathy vote.

    1. There is nothing wrong with what Obama says off the cuff, it is just the reception!

      Those who where never able to read along with the class in grade school, just can’t seem to understand anything that isn’t read to them!  

  5. Same wolf in different “sheep suits”.  Regardless of who wins the election it will be four more years of the same.

  6. ” Obama, a Democrat, did not fully embrace the plan, though, for a number of reasons, including its steep cuts to the military.”  He didn’t embrace the plan you say and you are right, he totally ignored it.  Don’t continue to defend incompetence.

  7. Obama couldn’t even back up what he was spewing and Romney made him look foolish. Even Chrissy and Msnbc went bonkers. But the best was Al Gore. It was the altitude that made Obama look incompetent. He should have just said global warming caused the pres to have a terrible debate. I haven’t head yet but Obama will probably blame Las Vegas and John Kerry next.

    1.  That was what Michael Moore tweeted…. “This is what happens when u pick John Kerry as your debate coach.”

        1.  Bill Maher said that Obama took his $1 million dollar campaign contribution and “blew it on weed”.

    2. Romney made himself look stupid and anyone who believes him to be stupid. Obama’s “strategy” of not attacking the many open doors Romney left open is mysterious, but it does not change the pathological lies nor does it explain the flip flopping man who claimed to be the new Romney exactly opposite from the one campaigning before the debate.

      1. Obama put Romney’s lies on record for the country to see, now he can attack Romney on those lies and what can Romney do in response?  He can only change his position so many times before it gets really ridiculous.

      2. Obama looked dumbfounded at Romneys NEW position!

        He had that<"How do you debate somone engaged in debating himself!"

        Look on his face!

            I have seen the same thing when a friend landed a nice Big Salmon it suddenly came to life in the boat flipping and flopping in a frenzy. Joe looked bewildered for a moment scowled, then sat back and waited till the darn thing wore itself out and thumped it on the head and calmly put it on the stringer where it belonged!

        Some would say look at that Fish!!!! What a Fighter!!!!

        Other would say, Nice Fish Joe! 

    3. Obama put Romney’s lies on record for the country to see, now he can attack Romney on those lies and what can Romney do in response?

      Romney can only change his position so many times before it gets really ridiculous.

  8. MittTwit RobMe is has no core and has no soul.  He will say ANYTHING.  He is a born FLIPFLOPPER and LIAR.  In this first debate, he spent 90 minutes LYING and FLIPFLOPPING on every issue from his tax plan to healthcare.  He even wants to have it both ways on PBS.  He says he loves Big Bird, but wants to cut his funding.  He is a SLIME.  A corporate toadie LIAR and SLEAZY LYING SNAKEOIL SALESMAN.  And he will LOST this election.

    1. As for the 47%, “I was against them before I was for them. I mean, I was for them before I said I was against them. What I mean to say is, I have always been for the 100%.”

  9. One is a socialist the other is a capitalist.

    One believes in tearing up the constitution the other believes in persevering it.

    One believes in less military one believes in more.

    One believes the federal government creates jobs the other believe the private sector does.

    Same differences as always.

    1. Look again,
      You will see 2 Harvard educated lawyers who wipe their butts with the Constitution.

    2. Both are capitalists

      Both have their own Constitutional Interpretations.

      Both believe in current military sustenance; one wants to raise the fee by 2 billion more than then the Pentagon asked for.

      One believes that a combination of free enterprise and good government sustain a healthy private sector. The other one believes in a completely unchecked enterprise market.

      Same differences as always.

  10. It does come down to believability. We have had 4 years of Obama to see that when he makes promises to support small business, cut spending, reduce taxes, create jobs and reduce health care costs, he is not believable.

    Why not support someone with experience and success in doing all of those things in a bipartisan manner while Gov of Mass?

  11. Write in and re-elect Carter. He the last good and just leader this country will ever see in its current form. The actor/TV sales persona president who led us (into the gutter) after sold our political system to the money moguls starting a chain of events which will be the eventually downfall of this once great nation.

    Too long have the empty heads been led to their deaths by their puppet government. Oh how I cannot wait for this to fall apart so that we may rebuild it into something closer to what it was and hopefully we get Roosevelt’s Second Bill of Rights, too. Just like the European countries did after the war ended. My, they are quite nice now, aren’t they? What with free education and healthcare and such. Everyone is basically equal. In politics AND the workplace. Seems nice. Kinda like Socialism though and I know how much most you free, hard working (but struggling) American’s hate that. Probably shouldnt have even mentioned it. Oh well!

    DOWN WITH CAPITALISM.

    1. European Democratic Socialism is collapsing before our eyes. Europe is doing what it always historically does under the strains of economic hard times. It is returning to its authoritarian roots.

  12. There was one man on the stage, and one boy.

    One looked Presidential, one looked like an also-ran.

    One had realistic workable plans, the other a failed ideology.

    One had a clear vision for America’s future, the other a clear vision how to finish destroying America.

    One was clearly greatful for the God-given opportunities granted to every American, they other clearly still blames America for the circumstances of his birth. 

    One espoused confidence in the reality of American Exceptional-ism, the other hung his head in shame most of the time.

    One deserves to be the next President, the other deserves to be sent packing!

    Every now and again, America needs to be reminded that Liberal Progressivism is an abject  failure. We have been reminded of it now for 4 long years!

    Time for America to get back to work.

    1. Time for you to move to Mississippi and burn some crosses.. You can stick the boy remark in the appropriate place. One lied like a Wall Street thief and clearly if you could read past the John Birch instructional manual you might figure that out. Obvious is an understatement.

    2. Enough with the race baiting “boy” remarks. You know what you’re doing and it’s disgusting. 

    3. I say it again!

      You are getting Bad Reception!

      Get an antenna for that TV, or wait till after the debate to crack that twelve pack!

  13. Neither one will honor the bill of rights, They are both complete crooks. I would rather vote for the empty chair. 

    1. HAHAHAHA, seems like a guy and a party that is so used to lying and cheating that they think everyone does it.

  14. One big difference between Pres. Obama and Gov. Romney…..the Pres. wants more, more, more Big Brother. 

  15. I guess I was expecting you to comment on my topic.

    As for your comment.  People always resist the idea of actually having to pay for something when it had previously been free. Europe had a way out but when leftists won the French election that opportunity was gone. Now its all on Germany and their willingness to put up their national treasure as security for the debts of other countries. The question now becomes is how much “security” will Germany take in other countries, France Spain Italy Greece and how much freedom are those countries willing to give up in exchange. This will be the bargain Merkel had been trying to avoid.

    Inflation went up unexpectedly in September so the results of the new policies are on the way.

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c8f61d06-0958-11e2-a5e3-00144feabdc0.html#axzz28S4ipW6x

  16. There are any other number of knowledgeable people who are making the same claim. Of course its unprovable, that doesn’t mean you can’t point out the data points that make the number inconsistent with reality.

  17.  Unemployment is going down because in excess of 400k people left the job market and only 114k jobs were created. There are other incongruous data points that make no sense to the folks that make their living off numbers like this.
    Laugh all you like. You still have no idea and neither do I.

  18.  Another thing. I said that “European Democratic Socialism is collapsing” not as you said “socialism that is causing the collapse”. A fine point, to be sure, but your incorrect interpretation changes my sentences meaning. (probably to your own ends)

      1. I guess Mitt and I do have this in common. An unwillingness to have people turn words into meaning something we did not say and then say we lied.

  19. Question: What Republican president increased the deficit more than his predecesser?
    Answer : All of them

    1. Who owns the biggest deficits ever? Obama. Who gives us trillion dollar deficits year after year? Obama. Who didn’t receive a single vote from either party for his proposed budget? Obama. Who needs to retire? Obama.

  20. If you own a pair of work boots, there is very little difference between these two. They are both bought and paid for by big business, big money, and special interest groups. If you work for a living, voting for either of these two is just asking for more of the same. Thank you sir, may I have another. Now, be a good sheep and get in line to vote for the lessor of the two evils, again. It should scare the daylights out of every single American that there were only two people on that stage the other night, but I fear that it doesn’t. Sheep tend to be very docile.

  21. I t was the Puss in Boots eyes.
    If you’ve seen the Shrek movies or the spin-off cartoon starring the
    storybook cat voiced by Antonio Banderas, you know what I’m talking
    about. Whenever Puss in Boots really needs something from someone, he
    flashes these enormous kitten eyes that melt anyone in their path.
    Whenever my daughter really wants something, she tries to lay them on
    me, and I have to say, “Stop trying to give me the Puss in Boots eyes . .
    . you can’t have chocolate cake for dinner.”

    I knew Barack Obama was miserable when he tried to give debate
    moderator Jim Lehrer the Puss in Boots eyes. “You may want to move on to
    another topic,” Obama implored Lehrer, a bit like a motorcycle thief
    begging a cop to take him into custody rather than let him stay with the
    surly biker gang that caught him.   ~~~ Jonah Goldberg

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