BANGOR, Maine — Security officials at Eastern Maine Medical Center began screening patients and visitors entering the Emergency Department on Thursday in an attempt to make it a safer environment.
“It’s another layer of security that the medical center has put in place,” Steve Russell, manager of security, grounds and parking services, said late Thursday morning. “We’re being proactive. We haven’t had any incident that has prompted this.”
Those entering the hospital through the Emergency Department doors are asked to empty the contents of their pockets into a bin and put any purses or bags on a conveyor belt, which carries them through an X-ray machine. Visitors then step through a metal detector before they are allowed to continue into the waiting area.
“We are deploying the same type of equipment and security screening used at other hospitals, courthouses and schools,” Russell said, adding that the hospital has not seen an increase in dangerous objects or weapons coming through its doors.
Russell stressed that anyone with a serious medical emergency who needs immediate attention will be allowed to bypass security and will be screened later “at an appropriate time.” Emergency crews also have the option of bypassing security checks if the patient they transported is severely ill or injured.
The hospital conducted risk assessments to determine what areas might require heightened security measures, and found the Emergency Department had a higher risk of escalating aggression and assaults than other parts of the hospital, according to Russell. Between 42,000 and 45,000 patients walk through the Emergency Department doors per year, and that doesn’t include family members, friends or others who might bring someone in for treatment.
“It’s a very emotional setting at some times,” Russell said, adding that people who come into the Emergency Department are frequently under stress, and others under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Other high-risk patients may have been brought in by police.
That has led to assaults on staff in the past and can put other patients and visitors at risk as well. Russell said there have been no assaults on staff involving weapons, but these security measures will decrease the chances of that happening in the future.
“Not having an incident is good,” Russell said. “We’d much rather be proactive than waiting for some incident to happen and say, ‘Gee, I wish we’d done that.’”
The hospital has a six-month lease on the equipment, funded by $12,000 out of its operating budget, according to Russell.
The X-ray machine and metal detector were obtained secondhand from a company that also leased the same machines for the Democratic and Republican National Conventions.
On Wednesday, EMMC was one of 16 hospitals in Maine to earn an “A” in the Hospital Safety Score ratings released by the Leapfrog Group, a national patient safety group. That award did not take hospital security into consideration, but rather focused on clinical safety.
Maine Medical Center uses metal detectors for some “high risk” emergency department patients, people who are brought in by police, for example, according to John Lamb, spokesman for the Portland hospital.
“Security is an evolution,” Russell said. “I know that if you come back a year from today, we will have done something else. We’ll have put another layer, tweaked something we’ve got in place now to make it better.”



Good, but whoever would have thought such a thing would be necessary; the need to protect the doctors, nurses, and staff who are there to help.
This is ridiculous. Is there nowhere we can go now without being
subject to these absurd searches? It’s getting as bad as China where
your searched getting on a subway. So much for our supposed right of
privacy. It’s amazing how quickly people are willing to give up rights
and privacy for “security”. Soon we’ll have neither if this continues.
I guess it’s just one hospital I won’t be going to. And who’s going to
pay for all this? Oh yeah, we are as if hospital costs aren’t high
enough already.
There is always the option of St. Joe’s.
You call that an option? When my father was there it was awful, he said he wouldn’t send a dog there
It’s a fine option.
My experience with St. Joe’s. emergency dept has been completely negative. No doctor on duty, long wait to see someone, and the place was empty at the time.
Told my wife that if i am ever being taken to the hospital do NOT take me to St. Joe’s.
Sorry for your experience. My experience has been much different. Both are competent but one has a greater level of care (cardiac, chest trauma, stroke) then the other. Both facilities use MDs, DOs and “mid-level” providers for patient care.
It’s definitely an option I would choose.
Both my father and mother were there at different times. I found it cleaner, friendlier and more conducive to recovery than E.M.M.C.
I had my prostate removed at E.M.M.C. and I found it to be dirty, unprofessional, and with the ability to “lose” patients.
I would not return to E.M.M.C if the decision was mine.
My dad was treated at St Joes. They were kind, effective, clean, caring…
Wait until they hire the TSA to help…..
You rather give up a Life huh? We are living in new time of disrespect and violence!!! but that too can be owned by some staff in that very hospital! I know personally!!!
Show me anywhere in the story where it says any incident caused this. In fact it’s specifically denied. As outdoorsnut said, a solution in search of a problem. Maybe we should start installing these in front of everyone door so they have to be scanned before leaving their house too. We could prevent a lot of problems that way. or perhaps random house, car, body searches just in case.
Don’t care there, save yourself.
The only ridiculous thing is the need for it to begin with. Better safe than sorry. It can be a dangerous place to work with all the situations that staff have to deal with in the ER. I say more power to them, and those who have a problem with it, it’s their “right” to go elsewhere.
Really , i’m having a heart attack and i’m going to ‘choose ‘ which hospital i’m going to?
In Newly76’s world, all is perfect and the flowers grow bright on the vine.
Don’t know why not…guess it depends on how bad an attack it is. (some people just have to complain, don’t they?)
Sorry you get the point that you don’t get to choose your ER. the reason why people are critical of this new screening is that it doesn’t solve the problem they claim they want solved , while also subjecting people to unwarranted searches – i.e. the scranners.
Tell that to the doctor or nurse who has an out of control patient or visitor coming at them with who knows what…and if that warrants “subjecting people to unwarranted searches” then so be it. Unfortunately, this is age we now live in.
again it’s a solution looking a problem. the problem is a few out of control druggies – that requires brute force to combat not metal detectors for innocent visitors. i guess you would agree that all bars and restaurants have scanners too ?
Again, it’s my opinion. I don’t believe EMMC would be going through the trouble or expense for a “few out of control druggies.” This is a far greater concern and issue whether its admitted to or not. Personally, I could walk through scanners all day, wouldn’t bother me a bit. (unless I had something to hide).
Yeah Homeland Security took my 87-year-old aunt’s knitting needles (which she got from her mother.) They made no provision to return them, and told my aunt that she could miss her flight, and take the needles back, or she could dispose of them in a round container next to the scanning machine. Because she was attending the Christening of her first great grand daughter, she elected to let the Knitting needles go. She has tears in her eyes each time she tells this story.
Guess she had something to hide, she just didn’t know it.
the article says there is no problem that this scanning will address but they do have out of control druggies currently. perhaps they should solve that problem before moving to one that doesn’t exist.
that you don’t care about your privacy doesn’t mean others don’t.
Those willing to surrender their rights for security, deserve neither.
Ben Franklin
Many derivatives of this phrase are attributed to Franklin:
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.
What is telling about this particular quote is how many times Franklin repeated it during his life.
They must be preparing for those who see the drugs they have as an easy target? I just hope and pray those security people have guns and know how to use them.
i think it’s a good idea, as a tradesmen if i end up in the e/r i’m probably carrying a leatherman, lockback, a screwdriver, or who knows what. i don’t think good folks would mind that small task at all.. good idea
My gosh, you’re likely to get tased and then asked if you’re in pain…
Best to leave your tools home in the morning just in case you might take sick on the job.
Sounds like another solution in search of a problem.
It sure does. I can’t think of a single hospital here in Boston that does it and I’m sure Mass General and Beth Israel Deaconess don’t.
Big bath salts problem at Beth Israel?
That crap was only in our news for a brief time, and even then only anecdotally. You outlawed the stuff before we did because it wasn’t a pressing problem.
I’m sure that when the cops bring in someone spazzing on the stuff, they have already been patted down. The cops wouldn’t bring in a violent person without have done it already.
In New York, the police have “wands” that they use to detect metal before putting the “suspect” in the police car.
They’ve cut way down on the “groping” lawsuits.
Oh damn, and I just loved those “gropes” particularly from those MSP women.
Are you saying that the men’s gropes are merely okay? (couldn’t help myself) :-O
You got me. I don’t care for Men’s gropes, but to each his own.
All suspects are checked prior to being put into the back of a police car. It prevents the suspect from harming the officer and/or himself.
People act no different on Bath Salts then they do drunk
Yeah, I’ve seen lots of drunks chew the face off their girlfriends.
Guess what? They don’t even do that in China where you have to go though security like this just to use a subway or train. Hmm..does that mean we’re becoming even more of a police state than China? Give us 10 years and I think the answer will be yes.
There are periodic random searches before getting on the train in DC.
http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/news/PressReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=4776
I knew there were periodic random searches in Boston for the subway but didn’t know about this one. The one in Boston bothered me but not so much as others simply because you could refuse, leave the station, go to the next one and get on. All of them are wrong however, and are merely quickening the pace we turn into a police state. I’m just glad I won’t be alive to see that happen but another 9/11 type of incident and it will, I’m afraid, while most Americans sit around and do nothing.
…and all this “sniffing” won’t prevent a 9/11 incident. Please remember that Lee Harvey Oswald worked at the Texas School Book Depositary, from where he shot President Kennedy.
No one can shoot almost straight down from 6 floors and get a front to back or back to front shot in the head and the throat.
You only need to go there and look. It’s impossible.
However if you think you can shoot someone in the front of the throat, about an inch above the collar bone from 6 floors straight up. say when, I’ll meet you in Dallas you can show me how it’s possible because I don’t believe it is.
You have that in a nut shell. And the next big depression-9/11 is coming soon.
While this may be true, subjecting people in emergency rooms to this kind of needless intrusion is wrong.
….Or New York City’s hospitals … even Bellevue where the “violence” makes EMMC look like a Sunday school picnic
I was thinking the same thing. We have gang bangers here (Norfolk, VA) and none of our hospitals have that type of security.
I agree. I work in Norfolk, VA and Portsmouth is ten times worse than Norfolk. The hospitals in those towns don’t have security measures. Hospitals shouldn’t be that hard to get into.
I won’t even go to Portsmouth after dark!! The Norfolk General ER is a scary place on Friday/Saturday nights…can’t imagine what Maryview’s is like!
I used to live in Portsmouth, and NOT the good part-if there is one. It makes you appreciate the countryside/cities of Maine.
I’m lucky enough to go back to visit. And I appreciate the peace and quiet so much. Would love to be able to live at “home” but there just aren’t jobs in my husband and my fields.
I’m surprised to read that Mass General isn’t doing this, especially since a patient repeatedly stabbed a psychiatrist there last year before being shot to death by a security guard.
That doctor was seeing a regular outpatient at her office suite in another building from the ER.
Mass Gen is so huge that it has over 60 operating rooms (my udder half -an OR nurse there- lost count after the last batch was added) that screening would be practically impossible.
Does EMMC have some new technology that sniffs for bath salts, or for doctors who over-prescribe opiates? If not, then this is a complete waste of money.
Exactly right.
Mr. Russel says it is preventative and not due to any problems. (read the picture caption)
Money for a huge expansion, a security system for just in case….anyone have an idea why health costs in this country are through the roof.
I’d rather die alone in my home than suffer the indignity of a security pat down.
This will lead to problems as worried people attempt to quickly ascertain the condition of friends or loved ones brought into the E.R. and are frustrated by some high school drop out earning minimum wage on a power trip.
Your (quote) … are frustrated by some high school drop out earning minimum wage on a power trip. Could you be referring to the robo cops @ EMMC or just the ones posing as minsters?
Trolling?
are you trolling? what’s your definition of a troll? someone who reads news articles that interest them and comments accordingly?
so what?
“Troll” in this forum has come to mean “you disagree with me so your opinion is invalid.”
that’s what i thought.
with the addendum of “I really don’t know why I feel that way, it is obvious I can not express myself or my ideas.”
I think those abusing the medical services cause a much larger drain than a couple low paid security gaurds and a metal detector… Lets cut back on repeatedly treating drug users over and over who don’t have enough self respect to take care of themselves in the first place.
an excerpt from the Hippocratic oath
******
“I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.”
Out of context. The whole oath is about “causing harm” as in the doctor, and other medical practitioners won’t.
I would agree that drug addicts (who are not at death’s door) should be barred from all emergency rooms. Maybe we (as a society) need to find another place for them to line up for treatment. Allowing violent drug addicted folks into an emergency room is HARMFUL to legitimate patients.
how do we know they are druggies until after they’ve been seen by a doctor?
what if someone is a drug user, but comes to the hospital with appendicitis? what about alcoholics? that can be a nasty bunch? do we not treat them, also? How about cigarette smokers, then? why spend money treating them, since they are responsible for their own disease. Or my pet peeve….obesity. The number one consumer of health care is obesity related diseases…diabetes, high blood pressure…etc.
You kick out who you wish, and I’ll stick to my position. I remember hospitals back when this kind of problem was rare. We still had alcoholics.
As to your position that the obese, cigarette smokers, and people with appendicitis should be excluded, I feel that that is unnecessary as they usually do not create the kind of disturbance which endangers other patients. You (of course) are free to have your own view on this.
i don’t wish to kick out anybody, see?
ERs are federally mandated to see people. Personally, I’d like to see some other place that drug addicts can go other than an ER.
Until federal mandates change (and I don’t see that happening anytime soon) there will always be drug addicts (and in truth, more likely the average drunk who’s scraped off a sidewalk somewhere) tying up ER beds. Practioners can have their butts handed to them for not following protocol. It’s not always as cut and dry as we’d like it to be and sometimes it’s for good reason. Other times, not so much.
Actually the “Federal mandates” you describe are not mandates at all, but agreements between the Feds and the hospitals regarding the use of Federal funds.
Also, under “Hill Burton” hospitals do not have to preform all specialized services. They are simply obligated to transfer patients to facilities which provide the necessary care.
This has nothing to do with healthcare costs! They are totally separate from the hospital! It’s a private company.
So who do you think is paying that private company? The hospital.
You got it. What a load of crap. Talk about paranoid, afraid of their own shadows, bureaucrats. I swear these wusses should have to wear pampers all the time for when they cr*p their pants in fear. Irrational fear by the way.
Also sounds like the administration has been listening to too many attorneys as well. What will the next layer of security be? Strip search before you can enter?
I can’t wait until the first person dies or has a serious complication because they were waiting to clear “security”. That would be one time I would support suing the pants off the hospital.
What a waste of money.
just another reason why insurance costs more and more.
I agree it’s a waste of money. But the administration had no choice. They agreed at the bargaining table with the nurses to install it, put it in the contract and signed it.
Perhaps this will help you understand the problem.
An 85-year-old man was charged with shooting and killing his nephew last month inside a hospital in Georgia.
In September, two people were shot to death inside a hospital in Illinois.
In August, a man walked into an ICU in Ohio and shot his wife to death.
In June, a surgeon shot his ex-girlfriend to death inside a hospital in Buffalo.
In June, police shot a man to death in Florida after he flashed a gun in the emergency department and took three staffers hostage.
In March, two people were killed and seven wounded in a shooting at a psychiatric hospital in Pittsburgh.
In January, two people visiting a patient were shot to death in an ICU in Georgia.
Last year, a judge ordered a hospital in Florida to pay $1.4 million to the family of a pharmacist who was shot to death on the job. Seems he’d told the shooter that she could not skip to the front of the line three days earlier, so back she came with a gun.
The question isn’t why is EMMC doing this. The question is why aren’t all hospitals doing it? The answer is, they will: As soon as someone is killed on their turf. Thank you, EMMC, for being proactive.
dirigo…as maine goes…..
Why do you say that? Have you worked in an ER? Desperate people do desperate things. It’s been years since I worked in one, and from what I hear it’s been worse. Agressive people, people on drugs….when they get upset because they have to wait or don’t get the narcotics they are seeking-well these people don’t need a hidden pocket knife.
Welcome to obama’s amerika.
everything is Obama’s fault, from global warming to bed bugs. If it’s a problem, it’s Obama’s fault.
It’s also Bush’s, Gingrich’s, Clinton’s, Gus King’s and La Plague’s Amerika….Orwell would love it….Eventually we will have one security guard or each person in the country….or just maybe Amerikans will demand that they not be treated like children anymore….Rev. G
You are right Gerald.
Bob
Geesh-do you and “Pastor” Bob serve something special at communion that keeps the paranoia alive and well? You both sound like you might be one of the ones who started a fundamentalist/evangelical church on every corner and threw open your doors to welcome all the crazies in.
Obama has nothing to do with EMMC
Shhh-that’s just part of the insane sermon he no doubt delivers…to those intellectually-challenged and gullible enough to buy it.
Welcome to the America that has been created by corrupt politicians, greedy corporate thugs and our dysfunctional governmental system.
I agree with your description of the status quo, but disagree completely on how that happened.
This (corrupt, greedy) America was created by voter apathy.
I can not think of one lobbyist who can stand up to a engaged, passionate citizen.
“This (corrupt, greedy) America was created by voter apathy.”
No it wasn’t.
A thoughtful, well articulated response.
Reading Romans chapters eight through ten will help you understand the times, the g0vernment, and the people who have put them there.
Gawd, I hope your “pastor” status isn’t a reality ’cause I can just imagine where your flock is headed, with comments such as that.
Heaven.
By the way, I thank you, being aware of your ‘religious’ principals I find myself delighted that you don’t agree with me.
Jesus said: ” If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you.”
was that your idea of turning the other cheek?
Horribly played, pastor.
You really don’t remember me do you?
okay, I’ll bite. Should I?
I cannot answer that for you.
i do remember you now!
Good, now to the question I should have asked you back then.
If you died right this minute and, as Hebrews 9:27 flatly states, you came face to face with God Almighty, and He said to you “Child, why should I let you into My heaven?” What would you tell Him?
what a self pious question to ask a stranger!
Your answer, answers the question. I am so sorry for the children you influence.
and btw, i don’t actually remember you, I was just flattering your ego in order to get you to the next step.
To have ones ego effected, one must care about the person making the comment.
There are some a person loves, they can effect how a person thinks of him or herself, there are those a person hates, they too can have an effect on a persons ego, then there are the vast majority, those who one has no feelings for one way or the other, those cannot effect a persons ego, self esteem, or faith.
The democrat falls into the second category, but most of it’s followers call into the third category, only those who share my love for Christ would ever be in the first category. So please save your ‘flattery’ for those in the category you share.
ahahaha! I just read your off the wall profile page on “refounder”. You want Maine to secede? what a maroon.
no worries, i won’t forget you from now on.
http://themaineteaparty.com/profile/RevRobertMCeleste
I see you haven’t changed, you still speak first and study last, if at all.
Russell stressed that anyone with a serious medical emergency who needs immediate attention will be allowed to bypass security and will be screened later “at an appropriate time.” Emergency crews also have the option of bypassing security checks if the patient they transported is severely ill or injured.
There you have it, a way to bypass the security system for those who wanted to cause trouble. Thanks for divulging that information
If you want some real serious security issues, ambulances have been used to smuggle weapons in Palestine. Seriously, EMTs should be assessing their patients and coming up with that stuff before they reach the hospital (I guess it does depend on transport time) and cops should be frisking their patients as well. If a person is really deranged, anything in the ER could become a weapon.
EMT’s access for signs and symptoms of illness and injury not for weapons. Have we found them? Oh yes but that is not the primary job function of an EMT.
Anything that is hard and not normal should be checked out, for their safety as well as our own.
Bangor is not Palestine. Do you really think we have a problem with weapons being smuggled into EMMC in ambulances?
How effective is that metal detector going to be for someone on a gurney? Sorry Mr accident victim. You have to get up and walk through the metal detector. I know it’s hard strapped to that backboard and with that broken leg.
And since so many things in the ER can be used as weapons this is all cr*p anyways. Or should everything that can be used as a weapon be removed? I bet that will make it really easy to treat people.
WHAT A LOAD OF CR*P!
EMTs are not going to frisk, they are trained to be an EMT not the TSA.
“I know sir you are complaining of chest pains and have a history but we really need you to stand up before you enter the ambulance so we can search you for any weapons”
…yeah right that won’t happen unless Bangor is Palestine.
Yes, but if they hadn’t clarified that, you know people would be making comments about the risk of heart attack victims dying because security won’t let them in in a timely manner.
Which is where the problem that doesn’t exist come in, if someone really wanted to go above and beyond chaos in the ER, all they need is a good actor a good symptom and they can bypass security and then, it is simply too late
Wasn’t this one of the items the nurses were demanding during contract negotiations?
No incidents happened to make them enact this safety measure? Sounds good,
but I have seen what I would consider incidents a number of times in the E.R. Why do they think the nurses wanted this installed? It makes sense to me and we all should be thankful for this new safety procedure.
I think he said no incidents w/ “imported” weapons. But, yes, plenty of incidents using available materials in the ED.
Russell stressed that anyone with a serious medical emergency who needs immediate attention will be allowed to bypass security and will be screened later “at an appropriate time.” Just wondering if Russell or his security staff are qualified to make that determination or is there going to be medical staff at checkpoint charlie. I was taken to Mercy hospital, in Portland, back in July of 2005 with a knee injury I recieved at work (rusted framing nail to the knee) On entering the ER security was called before it was determined that I was going into shock and needed immediate medical attention.
I hear ya!. this new practice could open the door up for MORE law suits if someone dies during the process!
It could well be that EMMC anticipates many more angry patients as they cut back on ER medical staff to fund their expansion.
Do I have to take my shoes off?
Hi loafinit. No, security doesn’t require people to take off their shoes or belts during these checks. If something sets the detector off, they ask you to check your pockets again and then run a handheld detector over you to determine what set it off. I intended to put that in the story, but it looks like I forgot to. Best, Nick.
Not YET anyway. Give it a year then we’ll be putting people though naked scanners like they do at airports. I suspect our forefathers are rolling over in their graves at how easily people are willing to sacrifice so much for “security”.
the sky is falling…the sky is falling
ah yes, another who cares nothing about freedom and privacy so long as they are “safe”.
ah yes. another who has nothing else to worry about so makes up loss of rights.
What right is that? please explain.
Nick…..
Those willing to surrender their rights for security, deserve neither.
Ben Franklin
Correct, So just dont go. It’s put in place to increase security. If its that much of an issue for you then walk yourself into another facility.. I’m sure you not being there will even go noticed.
remind me please, what rights are being violated here?
Well, let’s start with the fourth amendment. –
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Going to the emergency room, just like collecting food stamps is not probable cause.
Personally I can see this causing much more of a problem than the one which is purported to be prevented, (at some time in the future, maybe). If I am rushing to the ER behind the ambulance carrying my child or a parent and I get there and am told I have to stop and go through a “security” screening first….well, it might not be so pretty. I would imagine that there are many feel this way.
I think like many of the decisions that “are good for us” we need to follow the money and find out who it is really good for.
I believe it is good for the nurses, who went on strike recently and demanded the security be installed.
there’s the money trail for ya, a bunch of nurses looking to be safe in their workplace.
Except there are another 6+ entrances in the medical center without metal detectors where a person wanting to do bodily harm to patients, visitors and staff can simply walk through. The only “screening” are signs that say “No Weapons Allowed”. It’s a “feel good” measure which will provide absolutely no security for a determined person. Remember you are talking about unarmed security guards running this one security check point. What are they going to do throw a portable radio at someone if they force their way in?
i hear ya. same thing should be said about homeland security. Lord knows Granny’s knitting needles and that bottle of shampoo in my carry-on are a danger. But let’s not worry about the million plus cargo containers that enter our country every day.
I have to agree with you again…Israel does a much better job with screening and they don’t have nearly the intrusive searches we have here.
security or perceived security? that is the question.
I agree with you, too. this seems more like perceived security.
Nick I read your story several times and couldn’t not find any reference for the reason for the installation of the metal detectors which was part of the recent contract the nurses negotiated with EMMC.
National Nurses United Press Release
“The registered nurses won language that requires the Medical Center to install a metal detector in the emergency room”
““Security in the emergency department was one of our key issues in
bargaining. Having a metal detector installed is one very important
step that EMMC needed to take to ensure the highest level of safety and security, not only for registered nurses and hospital staff, but for
patients and their family members as well. We are very pleased to have been able to win this provision in contract negotiations,” said Cokie Giles, RN at EMMC and NNU Board member.”
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-ratify-contract-at-emmc-with-patient-safety-provisions
The reason has nothing to do with being “proactive” or anything other than fulfilling a negotiated and ratified contract term.
The nurses should go elsewhere to work rather than the patients go elsewhere to be seen. Or not come to the hospital because of this move on EMMC’s part.
why should anyone, except those carrying a weapon illegally, want to go elsewhere?
Because they are scared and upset. Try to keep up!
OK, so you wrote the story and left out what the general public should know up front. Can you imagine the confrontations that are going to happen when a distraught parent comes to the ER and has to go through the process?
I hope like hell that that the security personel are going to be paid hazardous duty pay.
My above comment was that they should just wait and strip search everyone in the exam rooms where they can be more thorough.
I worked in this ER – this is long overdue. They’ve had to have a Bangor cop on duty at night for years because of the assaults on staff members and the out of control druggies. Spout off all you want, but if you haven’t had to deal with it first hand you’re just more yada, yada, yada.
I’ve had to deal with it first hand and without the benefit of police officers, metal detectors, etc…for years and in the space about half the size of an EMMC ER treatment room. Oh, and I can’t use restraints, nets, etc…without the proper paperwork.
back in the day when people earned their salaries!!
Still dealing with it….as recently as 2 weeks ago.
And just who do you think you are-the big chief who determines if/when the ER staff earns their salaries? Easy to sit behind a keyboard and criticize. Much harder to be on the front lines.
you been there I take it? on the front lines huh… I was responding to jd2008jd . Have you seen the physical fitness of today”s workers, compared to workers a few years back? I guess we can make a determination as to who earned their salary.
please provide data supporting your theory that ‘today’s workers are out of shape compared to ‘a few years back’.
How will a metal detector stop assaults from druggies? If they’ve been brought in by police, wouldn’t they have been patted down already? Do the police hang around ’till their perp come down off the drugs and are no longer a threat to the staff?
it will help to assure that those ‘druggies’ don’t have weapons.
I believe I addressed that in my second sentence.
quite ineptly, I will add.
Do you think the only way violent people are in the hospital is if they were escorted by the police?
If it was inept, I apologize. I’m not sufficiently verbose to write 10 quality comments in 10 minutes…..
The topic was druggies, but whatever the cause of their violence, we all know that they don’t walk into an ER of their own volition every day.
So to answer your question: Yes
“I’m not sufficiently verbose to write 10 quality comments in 10 minutes…” That’s ok Country Escape, it’s not your fault taht Singletrackgirl fails comprehension tests.
I wonder if my ‘apology’ was comprehended the way it was meant.
as a sarcastic barb? yes, i got that, thanks so much.
i love how you jump in on a comment string with a personal insult.
This is how I comprehend that kind of behavior:
People who use insults, rather than expand on their ideas, probably do so because they either 1) don’t understand the very ideas they propose to believe, or 2) don’t have the skills to express that understanding.
I think you’ll find the insults started with you. And I’m sure I am more than capable of debating you on this issue or any other.
prove it.
you know, people with bipolar disorder and PTSD can appear as if they were in a drug induced state.
I think you make assumptions about people and situations, and only consider those things that fit neatly in to your world view.
This story was about the need for a used metal detector for an ER for possibly dangerous patients with metal objects on their person. If you take the time to schlep your way through all the present comments, you’ll find that most agree with my sentiments of the very low risk of that happening in Bangor.
Any more ‘suppose this’ or ‘what if’ tangents to my original comment need not apply. >:-|
Your assumptions about my perceived assumptions are, frankly, irritating.
commenting for popularity, are you?
no wonder you irritate easily.
Not all drug seekers come in via police escort.
I suspect that a drug seeker would rob a local convenience store to pay their regular supplier long before he/she would waltz into the EMMC ER and demand drugs. The robbery scenario has already happened whereas yours is only a ‘possible’ threat.
How does security screening effect dealing with druggies? sounds like cops are needed for physical restraint not looking for guns, knives or bombs. seems like a waste of money given it doesn’t address a problem.
Exactly. Over-reaction and a solution that wouldn’t work anyways for a problem that doesn’t even exist.
Dealt with it is a city which makes Bangor look like a fly-spec No security, no scanners, and not even a regular police presence. Just educated people who made quick assessments, and who had no trouble telling the officer bringing in a out-of-control druggie that he was in the wrong place.
I hope you realize that people with bipolar disorder and PTSD can often present as if they were ‘druggies’.
I think the ‘quick assessment’ rule is big mistake.
Explain to me how this will in any way stop those assaults on staff. This layer of security screens for weapons and in no way detects aggression or being high.
How many of those assaults have involved weapons?
I’m in favor of having the police officer there. Maybe even 2 to deal with anyone high or assaulting staff. In fact I would authorize the liberal use of tasers, police batons, and even use of deadly force on the nut jobs.
I agree, from having worked in the ER before. How does that work, anyway, with the questions being raised regarding how security will be able to determine an urgent situation? I think the public should know the procedure so that they feel safe should a true emergency be present. Some will question security being the ‘gate-keepers’ into the ER.
I know excellent CNA’s that have transferred to other jobs due to the scariness of working on the ER with monkeydusters being brought in by the police and they have no choice but to keep them until they come down – they are combative and dangerous to anyone around them. I wouldnt mind giving up my jack knife to keep some freak from getting ahold of it and stabbing me because “the voices told them to”
as one friend said ” open the old police department and put a nurse on
duty and let them come down there safetly, so the rest of the people who
need medical help arent stuck waiting to be taken care of because the
rooms are taken over by people coming down of monkey dust”
The problem is with these patients is that anything in the ER that isn’t bolted down is a potential weapon.
agreed. better to have cops on duty to be ready to help out of control druggies. now they will react slower because they’ll have to leave their post at the screening area – how will that work ? – close the ER to new patients until the get back?
lol probably
The Law of Unintended Consequences.
If the police did their jobs to remove and courts did their jobs to incarcerate, how many times a week would you see these people after the initial clean out?
another reason to charge more for healthcare.. big hospital just means more money. unfortunately the level of care we get gets less and we just all be come cattle.
So if the EMS crew doesn’t think it’s life or death, a patient arriving on an ambulance stretcher is going to go through a metal detector? While lying on top of 100 lbs of aluminum and steel?
If the gurneys weigh that much, I quit right now. Good thing they have powerlifts.
Why not have the EMTs feel everyone up before they get there? In the ambulance?
We have a powered cot, we weighed it, came out to 110 lbs with mattress, oxygen bottle, etc.
Another layer of increasing stress going into the ER, should be interesting for heart patients and others, when moments can make a diffrence.
Does this sound like a place that cares about YOU? The tasers were first and now this.
did you read the article? it seems unlikely. your concerns are addressed in the 4th paragraph:
“Russell stressed that anyone with a serious medical emergency who needs immediate attention will be allowed to bypass security and will be screened later “at an appropriate time.” Emergency crews also have the option of bypassing security checks if the patient they transported is severely ill or injured.”
And who is going to make that decision? You don’t see a nurse until you are passed through three sets of doors from the ambulance bay and then you only see one once you have passed the gate keeper called patient registration.
honestly jd, it seems to me that most people would be exempted, unless they came in on their own 2 feet.
I agree on the surface but I will be interested what happens when I bring my first patient through the ambulance bay doors. I know one provider who claims he, his partner and the patient were screened. How true that is I don’t know so I guess I will learn soon.
good luck JD.
yea I did , I said it increases another layer of stress, that could possibly cause more trouble, and cause a heart attack.
This is ridiculous, it’s a hospital not an airport!
I hope St. Joseph doesn’t do this or I will not be going to hospitals anymore. Just die at home and call it good.
well for one thing, you will be a lot safer!!!
why does providing a safe working environment for nurses and doctors bother you so much?
A convenience store clerk is in more danger at work, shall we body scan and pat the parts of customers there too? Heck, why not just wait until the patients go inside and strip search them in the exam rooms?
“….shall we….”
*****
it’s not up to ‘us’. It’s up to the people who work there.
Convenience store clerks don’t have the ability to dispense narcotics.
They will still require your body be searched before being transported and probably bill your surviving family for it.
I would like to know how conceal carry holders go through this process.
It wouldn’t bother me as I am legal conceal carry holder, but I would want a clear procedure in place that doesn’t involve causing a public disturbance.
Weapons I believe are supposed to be checked in at security, they are not allowed in the hospital.
I don’t know specifically about EMMC, but most hospitals are a “no carry” zone. There are probably Sallyports somewhere for storage, but I’d think it’s more for LE than patients /visitors.
I worked at a hospital once where we required LE to download their weapon before entering the facility. In-house security would escort them if needed (ie with a patient), but it was a strict no gun zone.
I have been to numerous hospitals all over the East (my father was sick when I was younger and we had to travel to different cancer centers) and have never once seen metal detectors in any hospital facility. This is ridiculous…people are coming to get help, not be patted down and possibly arrested. Hospitals arent suppose to be the ones judging, that’s what police are for.
No, that’s what courts are for.
I hope I am the first one to puke on their machine.
Then there will be a half hour wait for everyone behind you.
Ah, but who cares, Trickle? After all, it’s all about HIM, isn’t it? If we could cure narcissism, this country would be the better for it.
And just who do you think you are? the country”s shrink, with all the answers!
Longer, they will shut down the hospital, perform a lockdown and give everyone masks, then send in the CSI unit and see if there was any weapons in the vomit before cleaning it up.
Omg. Got to stand in line while they strip search the 80year old lady. Can you imagine the typical security guard can understand how to detect a true emergency?
As an example, what if its a diabetic having an issue and they think its a drunk? Here come the law suits!!!!!!!!
Can you imagine the typical security guard can understand how to detect a true emergency?
As an example, what if its a diabetic having an issue and they think its a drunk? Here come the law suits!!
I SO AGREE
No need to copy/paste it again. We can all read the comment right above yours.
Archie, the comments juggle at times and then make no sense.
First I agree 100000% Second: Another sign Bangor is getting less and less safe. So scared of the future and not just bangor all surrounding towns. Scary big time!!!!
It’s only scary because that has been told to you over and over and over. I bet the scary incidents that have actually happened to anyone could be counted on less than one finger. Bangor is a great place to live. I’ve been here since 1969.
Whenever/if i feel that way about the world, the best thing to do is get involved and volunteer somewhere. A charity, a hospital, a library. You will find that there are so many more good people than bad.
The world is fine, you’re just getting slanted information.
take care.
If…..and I don’t understand why….but if, they are going to screen people, then they should be screening everyone. Employees, visitors, patients….who are they protecting by doing this? Themselves, and passing this cost onto the patients and insurances they have.
Oh wonderful!!! Now would you be so kind as to inform the general public as to what they are allowed to bring with them to the ER? Are we allowed to have metal buckles to our pants? Do we have to leave our pocket knife in the car, or home? Could everyone in the state be sent a list of what they will or won’t be allowed to carry with them when they plan a trip to the ER? I’m sure that this will be at the top of everyones mind when they hear one of their loved ones has been rushed to the ER. They will all be calm and immediately pull out their check list of what the protocals are in order to speed up their entry to be near their loved ones.
Is this the idea of Charlie Webster or one of his kind?
“Is this the idea of Charlie Webster or one of his kind?”
Nope…Nurses demand in contract negotiations.
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-ratify-contract-at-emmc-with-patient-safety-provisions
Oh, so they think they have problems now solved? So when a distraught parent shows up and you have someone wanting to play ‘Simon Says’ before he or she can see their child, what do you think is going to happen?
In a way I can understand the problem at EMMC. They have no real security people there. They also have no secure rooms to treat those that pose a threat to the peace and well being of others. So instead of fixing those problems they will create more problems where none existed before. Brilliant!!!!!
EMMC does have secure rooms for patients equipped with “netting” and “restraints” to protect visitors, patients and staff.
The question that needs to be asked is this…
Were the installation of the metal detector a result of a contractual obligation or a response to a perceived threat?
So where in the news story is there a mention that these measures were the result of contract negotiations with the nurses union? Or any other union for that matter?
It doesn’t. But I recalled something about security and the ER from previous stories so a quick Google search of “emmc nurses increased security negotiations” produced a Press Release from National Nurses United entitled “Nurses Ratify Contract at EMMC with Patient Safety Provisions”
The third paragraph states “The registered nurses won language that requires the Medical Center to install a metal detector in the emergency room. This was a vital issue
for the membership as there have been an increasing number of incidents in which staff were harmed or could have been harmed.”
and concludes in the fourth paragraph with ““Security in the emergency department was one of our key issues in
bargaining. Having a metal detector installed is one very important step that EMMC needed to take to ensure the highest level of safety and security, not only for registered nurses and hospital staff, but for patients and their family members as well. We are very pleased to have been able to win this provision in contract negotiations,” said Cokie Giles, RN at EMMC and NNU Board member.”
Source – http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-ratify-contract-at-emmc-with-patient-safety-provisions
Hope that answers your question patom1.
Thanks. From whatever source this addition to the ER came from, I believe will only add to problems.
Your welcome and I agree.
This has nothing, NOTHING to do with what Russell, manager of security, grounds and parking services, said Thursday morning about being “being proactive” and EVERYTHING to do with the Nurses contract that was ratified earlier this year.
From the National Nurses United webpage – ““Security in the emergency department was one of our key issues in bargaining. Having a metal detector installed is one very important step that EMMC needed to take to ensure the highest level of safety and security, not only for registered nurses and hospital staff, but for patients and their family members as well. We are very pleased to have been able to win this provision in contract negotiations,” said Cokie Giles, RN at EMMC and NNU Board member.”
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-ratify-contract-at-emmc-with-patient-safety-provisions
I wonder if the ER staff have to pass through the metal detectors prior to entering the work place?
They should have to if it stays. Anyone could’ve had a bad morning and dosed up on some mind-altering drugs before coming in to work, they could be coerced into illegal activity by some bath-salts ingesting relatives or significant others, or forget to remove their scissors from sewing class the night before. Anyone could be “unsafe” at any given time. They might be carrying a water bottle with water in it!
that’s ridiculous. people who work there, like airline employees, have already been screened via the hiring process.
I’ve been screened too. So, I shouldn’t need screening, only “those people”.
which people?
You’re kidding right? You just said there were people who should be exempt so those people would be those who are not exempt.
let’s see if i follow the conversation. you said employees of the hospital should not be exempt from screening. i said that’s ridiculous. then you said that you had been screened, which prompted me to incredulously ask ‘which people’ since I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that you are not a hospital employee. I also did not understand who ‘those’ people are that you think should be the only ones screened.
I think if you have something hideous like that machine sitting in the doorway, all that enter should be screened. I am against screening with machines. If it is that dangerous at the ER none of us should be there! Is that clear now?
The “no” button was not available when I first read this story. Later when that button became available, I pushed it and voted, but the message “We have already recorded your vote” appeared.
Since I didn’t vote (because my button of choice was unavailable) I wonder what vote they recorded for me?
You need to immediately notify Mr. Webster of this……
Good one!
OK BDN it seems that my post was removed for some reason so I guess I will post it again.
The reason for the new metal detectors being installed at EMMC has NOTHING to do with being “proactive”, etc and has EVERYTHING to do with the recently ratified nurses contract.
From the National Nurses United Press Release
“The registered nurses won language that requires the Medical Center to install a metal detector in the emergency room”
““Security in the emergency department was one of our key issues in bargaining. Having a metal detector installed is one very important step that EMMC needed to take to ensure the highest level of safety and security, not only for registered nurses and hospital staff, but for patients and their family members as well. We are very pleased to have been able to win this provision in contract negotiations,” said Cokie Giles, RN at EMMC and NNU Board member.”
Source – http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-ratify-contract-at-emmc-with-patient-safety-provisions
yet another reason NOT to go to EMMC. Who wants to go through that when they are sick as a dog ? Who wants to go through that other than getting on a plane ?
Who wants to go through it getting on a plane either? The way security is handled at airports is deeply flawed as well.
I won’t even go into an airport to pick up a friend anymore. They have to walk out to the street and find me. I do not consent to ill treatment from the simple-minded any more than necessary.
They only treat people with disrespect because people accept it and do not question authority. If enough people stopped putting up with the nonsense and boycotted the places that promote this silliness, we the people would have leverage, and more sensible procedures would be adopted.
How many hospital staff have been hurt or murdered in the last few years to justify such an expensive and seemly unnecessary large expense ? The security was added and they seem to just stand around most of the time but I assume their mere presents holds down the crying. This seems so over the top. We are quickly becoming a police state without even knowing it. It all will come from within….How sad for America.
How nice. It takes an act of congress now to get seen if you are sick, what the hell will it take? I sat in the emergency room bleeding for 2 hours once only to be told to go home and put your feet up. That’s why I don’t go to EMMC!
The one and only time i have been in that hospital ER, taking someone there from Orono, the cops had to be called for an out of control patient,the patient tossing items,smashing items. Add virtually all the teens and 20 year-old-somethings in this state are now carrying knives with them,its a necessary evil.
paranoid?
In this day and age, an upstanding member of a community can not also be a disgruntled subject intending to do bodily harm to the opposing members of a controversial issue. Walking down to the front of a controversial meeting and saying something quietly to the attorney was highly irregular and inappropriate, and endangered the public safety to some measurable extent.
The police responded appropriately and with leniency. An arrest was warranted regardless of words said, IMO
Only these “non profit” hospitals can add services that aren’t even needed. Wonder why health care is so expensive?
What an outrageous waste of money. Over reacting much?
I’d be more concerned about certain people getting out into the community than into the hospital.
I’ll take the dangers of freedom.
You mean you’d actually take care of yourself? What a concept!
Need that at the employee entrance to the Post Office.
“Not having an incident is good,” Russell said. “We’d much rather be proactive than waiting for some incident to happen and say, ‘Gee, I wish we’d done that.”
I agree. As one who tends to try to be a decent and cooperative individual, not make something out of nothing, and doesn’t subscribe to the “my rights being violated” I favor security anywhere, anytime. Police/security presence doesn’t bother me one bit.
Crime, violence, and weapons used while committing violent acts bothers me a lot. I suspect some schools, movie theaters, stadiums, etc. may have possibly prevented horrific tragedy had security measures been in place.
jmo – no dissing necessary.
Unfortunately Bangor has increasingly become infested with crime & it has come to this. I look at it as a protection mechanism for hospital personnel & patients.
yes, because i’m sure a criminal bent on killing is going to pay any attention to a rent-a-cop “security” check…
Steve looks like a man with a plenty of time on his hands to dream up something like this.
He says the hospital hasn’t had an incident to prompt such procedures. He then says that anyone with an emergency condition will be able to bypass his cameras, scanners and x-rays.
How does one qualify for a by-pass?
Another nail in the coffin of our free nation. Next is the grocery store where those people who have been stabbing grapefruits will be held to account.
i hope the rent-a-cops doing the screening have a friendlier demeanor than the ones in the video. the heavyset one with his arms folded looks like an east german border guard.
This is really for people without insurance getting upset when the hospital and doctors tell them to go and die because money is more important then health and life.
They can’t not treat because of no insurance. Trust me. It’s half of the reason hospitals gain so much debt. They are like hotels for some people.
I’ve been bringing patients to this ER for more than 20 years and regardless of what prompted this move I’ve got just one word for it… ABSURD! So maybe they prevent a knife or gun from coming into the ER. A person intent on harming someone still walks in with their hands (for hitting and clawing), feet (for kicking), teeth (for biting), and head (for butting)… let alone the sheets, cords, and miscellaneous other things in the room for strangling, choking, and otherwise harming staff. Some of the most damaging and brutal assaults you’ll ever see often use no “weapon” at all. The hospital already added a police officer on some shifts a while ago (with a GUN, TASER, HANDCUFFS and powers of arrest) because the “guards” can’t legally do much of anything. Why doesn’t the hospital bump up staff (and perhaps consider a police officer 24/7) so the nurses don’t have to deal with the lunatics (which they can usually recognize ahead of time) one on one? If police are bringing in someone, the person has already been patted down so in that case the new procedure is just wasting time and money. What this foolishness will do is just push the problem patients who don’t want to go through security to St. Joseph’s ER (which is far less equipped by layout and personnel to deal with them) creating an ever bigger safety problem there.
I couldn’t agree with you more Dave.
well said.
With all the crap that has been going in Bangor and vicinity in the past couple of years, druggies, murderers, homeless felons, etc., it’s no wonder they are screening everybody. They should do the same in the schools to protect the students.
The reason that the metal detectors were installed in the first place is the Nurses won the concession back in May of this year during their contract negotiations.
The National Nurses United press release http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-ratify-contract-at-emmc-with-patient-safety-provisions
They talk about the metal detectors more than they do the 7-13% wage increases they won.
I WOULD WALK RIGHT THROUGH WITH PERMIT NOT LEAVING UNATTENDED LOADED FIREARM AVAILABLE TO WHOEVER. IF THEY ASKED ME TO LEAVE I WOULD SAY, KINDLY PUT THE REQUEST IN WRITING CITING STATUTE AND PEACEFULLY LEAVE OR DIE ON THEIR DOORSTEP.
I’m going to have my dog fitted for a meteorite-protection suit, just in case.
A few questions: What would they want to detect except a handgun or knife? How many past instances has EMMC had with persons wielding a handgun or knife? Aren’t most if not all prior cases of violence or near violence involved persons brought to the ER by the police? How many of these cases involved a weapon that would have been detected by this machinery? Haven’t persons brought to the ER by police already undergone a search by the police? Aren’t persons brought by the police going to circumvent this machinery for that reason? If a person becomes violent or nearly so, aren’t there many devices in the ER that he could use as a weapon? Is this going to increase personnel cost to run this device? Did EMMC go searching for this machinery or did the machinery salesmen come courting EMMC? Is it true that EMMC is buying a kennel of bomb sniffing dogs to sniff all visitors for drugs and explosive residue? Better safe than sorry!
Steve Russell needs to lose 85 pounds on that belly.
Seriously people? Are you saying that if you worked in this ER, you would be ok with treating a patient who might possibly have weapons or drugs on them? For example, on your watch, under your care, one of these people overdoses and leaves YOU with a nasty lawsuit. Example number two, one of these people is carrying a gun/knife/dangerous object. You enter the room, alone, and BOOM dead. I’m sorry, but if you need care then you should not mind briefly emptying your pockets. These people offer a service that is constantly dangerous. You should follow an ER nurse around and see what it can be all about, maybe then you would get the point of this screening process. It’s a stupid thing to even be angry about. THINK about it.
It will provide nothing but a false sense of security.
“For example, on your watch, under your care, one of these people overdoses and leaves YOU with a nasty lawsuit”
Metal detectors detect metal not drugs. Hand wands detect metal not drugs. So the person with the drug doesn’t toss them in the tray, how will the be found? The guards aren’t allowed to do pat downs or turn pockets inside out.
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“Example number two, one of these people is carrying a gun/knife/dangerous object.”
So the metal detector goes off. The unarmed security guard (as the video shows) uses a hand wand and finds an object. What then? The unarmed security guard have no arrest powers. So the person removes the object found and kills the unarmed security guard. What’s the next step? Arm the guards? Add a Bangor officer 24/7? Make the unarmed security guards Reserve officers? Make people undergo invasive pat downs?
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Someone is going to a law file suit over this. Either someone will claim their illness/injury was increased due to a delay in care or under 4th Amendment prohibitions. And with the ACA on the near horizon where the Feds says EVERYONE is entitled to healthcare the 4th Amendment may play a very big role in any law suit delaying that care a person s entitled to.
GREAT idea. I think this will deter the trouble-makers and drug seekers, and it will make those who bring their children and family in more comfortable knowing that the atypical person sitting next to them doesn’t have any weapons on them. Waiting for hours in the ER waiting room is bad enough, let alone having to sit amongst unsavory characters.