PORTLAND, Maine — The law passed by Maine voters on Nov. 6 that allows same-sex couples to receive a marriage license will take effect Saturday, Dec. 29, the Maine secretary of state’s office confirmed Monday.
Clerks offices around the state most likely will not be issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples until Monday, Dec. 31. Clerks in Bangor and Portland said their offices would not be open that day.
On Nov. 6, Maine became the first state to allow same-sex couples to receive a marriage license through a popular vote of the people.
According to the secretary of state’s office, the certified election results for the state were signed off on by Gov. Paul LePage on Thursday, Nov. 29, said a press release issued Monday by EqualityMaine, the organization that spearheaded the drive to get the referendum question on the ballot. The new law becomes effective 30 days from that date.
Megan Sanborn, a spokeswoman for the secretary of state’s office, confirmed the date late Monday morning.
“The long wait for marriage for same-sex couples in Maine is almost over,” Betsy Smith, the executive director of EqualityMaine, said in the press release. “Before the end of this year, all loving and committed couples in Maine will be able to stand before their friends, family and community and make a lasting vow to be there for one another.”
Carroll Conley was co-chairman of Protect Marriage Maine, the organization that led the opposition to the referendum. He called Monday’s announcement “expected” but said that as the executive director of the Christian Civic League of Maine, he believes there still are unanswered questions about the effect of the new law.
“We currently are regularly hearing from religious organizations and individuals who are finding themselves in conflict over this change,” he said Monday afternoon. “We are using our resources to obtain and give good legal advice to clerks and on their legal obligations which may be in conflict with their religious convictions.”
Is this the only news BDN has to publish. It is unfortunate for the so called Christian Churches that supported this that in God’s eyes they won’t be married. Time is getting shorter.
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Again, it is called homophobia It is a sick obsession. Please pray for him.
But Brucey… your god doesn’t matter. This is a civil matter, now one of religion.
Not a civil matter as you would like to think!!
Sure it is… atheists wed all the time, and guess what…
NO religious trappings are necessary. In any way.
Simple fact.
Not a civil matter? Then why is the state the one to dole out the licenses?
Are you so wrong that you didn’t even understand what you were fighting against?
You seem to be fighting for: sin wrapped up as good.
No, I’ve been fighting to be treated equally under Maine law, and that includes equal access to civil marriage.
There’s nothing sinful about being gay or lesbian, and we should celebrate more families who wish to enter into the important tradition of marriage!
Hmmmmm…Maine issues the following licenses…drivers, plumbers, MD, DO, RN, Paramedic, barber, marriage, etc…
Please explain how this is not a civil law issue.
Are you suggesting that this is not news Bruce? Seems to me that regardless of which side of this issue a person falls on this is big news.
If it wasnt news you would not read it right?
oh no, the flying spaghetti monster might get me!
So Hitler killed 6 million Jews, there is genocide going on all over the world, Pharoah killed Jews, People were taken from their homes and turned into slaves and they were dismembered and murdered, Fornication is abound, divorce has been legal for centuries, and now God is coming because two people love eachother? You need a good therapist.
Relativism lives!
Yes clearly there was absolutely nothing else published in the BDN news today except this one particular article- oy. If you want to worry about god’s eyes or hair or bellybutton by all means worry about it. Everyone else has the option NOT to worry about your ridiculous hang ups and live in the here and now..time to beat a new drum chum.
God doesn’t have eyes.
Same-sex couples have been able to have marriage ceremonies in Christian churches for many, many years.
This fight was 100% about the legal rights to civil marriage, which has nothing to do with churches whatsoever.
But you knew that. Best to you and yours this holiday season, and I’m glad your sad view of the world can no longer stand in the way of my treatment under Maine law!
But, not the Church. And, happy Christmas to you, too.
The editor of the BDN is in love with the gay marriage crap. Haven’t you noticed the amount of pro gay stuff in the paper since this woman took over? Only about 28 years old and constantly pushing her beliefs on the readers like she has so much life experience. So sick of it, as are many of my friends.
Why do you read it?
And yet you continue to read the BDN.
You should find a different paper to read. Maybe one with a sixty-something overweight white male conservative as an editor. Or a website moderated by a fifty-something LePage-loving small town busybody. It is hard, having to read information that differs from your own. Try the AMG site. I hear they won’t let anyone post there unless they pass a test, insuring that only a neoconservative anti-gay echo-chamber is in the lineup.
You really have no place telling someone what paper to read. We are able to voice an opinion or objection about things…this still is the USA, right? Having someone spouting off their opinions with so little life experience outside a classroom is bothersome, especially when they take over the front page for their “editorials” like it is news. I am definitely not a Lepage loving person…far from it. so there
Are these your words??
“The editor of the BDN is in love with the gay marriage crap. Haven’t you noticed the amount of pro gay stuff in the paper since this woman took over? Only about 28 years old and constantly pushing her beliefs on the readers like she has so much life experience. So sick of it, as are many of my friends.”
If you are unhappy with the BDN why do you continue to read it? And by clicking on stories and posting comments you are not only supporting the BDN but are contributing $$$ from advertises that pay a per-click fee for every click through.
Yes Bruce. This is the ONLY thing the BDN published. All those other stories are just a mirage.
If you are so upset about it why do you keep reading and posting?
You know what is in God’s eyes?! No, I don’t think so.
His word is very clear on it, I should of said You know what his word says, in several instances.
This is great news!
Life just keeps getting better and better!
It’s been a long road for you.
Don’t forget to stop and smell the roses.
I wish you and your partner the same happiness in marriage that my wife and I have had for over 30 years.
From our home to yours, thanks so much!!!
Ted, My Husband and wish you, and Visits, many more happy years together.
You 2 are a couple of my favorite comenters.
And you mine, searoses!
Thanks for all the moral support when I’d let folks get me down or aggravated…
Moral support implies morality. For the atheist where does that come from?
Your morality is immoral to me.
See how that works? It’s not set in stone.
And while I’m not an atheist, if you need ancient mythology to tell you how to treat your fellow man and how to live well in a society, you’re a dangerous, soulless human being.
The golden rule does not belong to christianity… if it did, we wouldn’t have lived long enough to find it in christianity.
This must have hurt LePage so much, an ice pick to the arm with lemon juice squeezed in.
Good.
Actually, Lepage didn’t like the marriage but h did say that two adults should be able to enter into a legal contract. He isnt completely against it.
he did a back flip on this one…he said he was against it when running for office. he is a donkey
Same backflip that the President made.
so true, FmrMTI….that is why he didn’t get my vote this time around. and also for his abortion blather support
He obviously did not need your vote.
He didn’t get your vote, for many reasons. most important one is the word Democrat.
You are not even an honest person. You never voted for him so why get on here and lie.
The President said specifically he was taught that marriage was between a man and a woman but that he was evolving. The same thing like I grew up learning that black people were bad but I learned through education that this is not true.
NOw, Romney did a back flip. He endorsed gay marriage in Mas.s
Obama got it right, though come on jersey, it was politics.
Can you back up this claim with a source?
No he was against it being called marriage and still is. He was not against some form of legal binding agreement.
That’s not true. Lepage said if the people voted for it, he would sign it and move on. That’s what’s happening.
Now, let’s just hope the world doesn’t end and I can get married in the spring time!
Hope you and your partner have many years of happiness.
Well done, Maine. You (and Washington) beat the bigots at the ballot box, fair and square – and proved false the argument that equality only happens through judicial action . Congratulations from New York!
We won. The name calling should have never happened and it should stop now.
that goes both ways….name calling was vicious from gay side
I was referring to the gay side.
Such as?
oh, please.
Got nothing?
smarmy remarks bore me
Pat Boone bores me.
I’m not being smarmy in the least.. you accused the “gay side” of “viscous” name calling… I asked for examples… you offer none.
I can only assume because you have nothing to offer.
calling bigots bigots is name calling now?
Regardless, it is done. We need to live in peace. Turn the other cheek.
Regardless? Does this mean OK, don’t stand up for what you think is right, because we finally won a vote after umpteen losses?
Standing up and showing ignorance are two different things. You know as well as I do it does not win. We won because our commercials were kind and non attacking. Attacking does not work. This is why they lost.
They were wonderful ads……kind and personal. Real, not canned as the anti gay ads were. The anti-gay ads were horrible. (phony and worse.)
I found the SSM ads nauseating
I could care less about your issues.
then why spend the time responding. Your ilk will never change the minds of true Christians.
It worked because you fooled people by your ads. And were they fooled.
maybe you won because you brainwashed the youth of the state, and maybe college students from elsewhere who registered here, It seems the “gay” vote was in the Portland area, up Route 1 and to Orono….lots of out of staters in those areas. Real Mainers know what the truth is.
When you lost you called us bigots, and vowed to fight the bigots. Now you one one out of 32 and everyone has to stop. Really?
I NEVER called anyone a bigot. NEVER. I have ALWAYS asked for peace and prayed for all. You are a liar. God hates liars. One out of 32/ what does that mean?
you may not say bigot, but your words do…I guess liar is okay?
We succeeded in Washington and Maryland and the constitutional amendment to ban SSM failed in Minnesota. We won the last four votes. So, it is 32/4.
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Prevention reported in August 2011 that “HIV infections increased among young men who have sex with men (MSM) between 2006 and 2009, driven by alarming increases among young, black MSM – the only subpopulation to experience a sustained increase during the time period.
“Young MSM (ages 13 to 29) were most severely affected, representing more than one quarter of all new HIV infections nationally (27 percent; 12,900 in 2009),” said the CDC. “Young MSM of all races are heavily affected.”
Yessah…Gay Marriage, knock yourselves out!
Tell us little kitty…
What does that have to do with marriage, hotshot? Tell me how two monogamous people will end up with HIV/AIDS. You seem to think they will… tell us how.
Why not encourage folks settling down rather than living irresponsibly, which is what HIV/ADS is, a problem with responsibility.
because gay men may not stay faithful….3 words for you Bruce Lavallee Davidson
And many will… stop generalizing about some and focus on those who will. Considering how many straight marriages end in divorce, you should worry about that too… interesting that you, and yours, never mention that.
Just like this one guy… you try to use him as an example of all gay men. Your generalizing can go both ways hotshot.
Two words for you… Gilberto Valle.
Have fun!
Well us straight people have a track record of 50% — so, what’s your point?
Two words for you: Newt Gingrich. Oh wait, there’s more: Mark Sanford. John Ensign. David Vitter. Yeah, the gays have the lock on being unfaithful. Just keep muttering that to yourself.
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity
Don’t forget Anthony Weiner, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, and the Governator, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Now let’s give equal time to the Dens
JFK
Robert Kennedy
Ted Kennedy
William Jefferson Clinton
just to name a few
For so many reasons, am so glad President Obama was re-elected. For one, can you imagine having a president like Romney with his views of gay marriage. It would not have been the right direction to go in . He certainly would not have done anything to support gay marriage as President Obama did. There was some talk when Obama did that he could be hurt politically. However, he wasn’t. His willingness to stand up for something controversial,etc. (after a lot of thought, and as President Obama has said, especially talking to his daughters about it), was certainly helpful with the momentum for gay marriage.
Oh that is the most hypocritical reason I think I’ve yet heard to oppose same-sex marriage!
Tedlick and I have been together for decades, we know what we’re entering into by saying “I DO!”
It ain’t marriage!
It’s even better— it’s civil marriage, the legal rights we’ve been fighting for!
you’re right, it is not a marriage ……it is a farce. You can call a dog a chicken, but it still barks
In the eyes of Maine Law it is a marriage.
Alas, gay woman have NEVER transferred the disease. So half of us can get married. The fastest growing population of HIV is heterosexual teens.
that just shows how our world is going down the toilet…marriage between a man and a woman, children need a mother and a father
We weren’t voting on the make up of families. You don’t get to use the government to force people into making the same decisions you’ve made — and thank God for that. Talk about expansive government! Butt out of other peoples’ lives. You’ll be much happier, I promise.
So ban divorce.
Divorce is destructive to families. I’d like to see it banned. Abusive situations can be made separate without it.
i work in a school. I see children from all types of families. I work with kids who were abused by their fathers and or mothers. I do not have 1 child who is raised in a SS home who shows any dysfunction and studies will back this up.
please…..name these studies…..you must not be doing your job. How long have you been doing this…are you a counselor or a lunch lady? I personally know of someone who has worked in schools all their life, counseling, and they tell a very different story.
You know Don Mendell. He is an angry sick man who no longer works in the schools. He held his personal opinions above his professional. My studies come from the APA, the American Academy of Pediatrics, AMA…..and there are many more. My children are excellent students and athletes. I prayed for you. God loves you and I love you. God Bless.
No, I don’t know this man as well as you seem to given your horrid remarks. He has the guts to speak out, unlike us who hide behind silly names here. Do you know him enough to call him an angry sick man? That is very harsh to personally attack someone on here, you are giving names but not having the guts to print your own. Cowardly, in a BIG way
.I would still like to see these exact studies you speak of….and how many kids from SS homes are you actually dealing with compared to homes with two parents, one parent, grandparents, etc? I am glad your children are blessed …does this mean you are part of a SS household to hold up their accomplishments? Many children who grow up in horrible households become functioning, able adults who go on to raise a family in a loving way.
It’s good you pray. Try not bearing false witness against specific individuals in our community.
Excellence in some skill doesn’t mean kids are lacking in things needed to be whole. By the way 80% of our imprisoned are from homes absent of a father. Will you pray for them? Will you continue to support laws that will lead to more of this problem?
This is an excellent reason why same-sex marriage should be legalized nationwide— we need to offer more two-parent households for children to grow up in.
Or do you propose we ban divorce? Execute children from single-parent households?
Faced with reality, it’s clear that offering children more opportunities to be raised by two parents is a good thing. Same-sex marriage is indeed a good thing.
I believe he retired, so casting any aspertion about him “no longer working in schools” can be clarified.
Marriage requires no procreation… procreation requires no marriage.
The fact that you do not decry single parents and divorce with the same vehemence you hold against gay marriage shows your hypocrisy.
In your little world, Ted, a homosexual partnership, or whatever you call it, has an equal ability to perform family functions. It cannot. And maybe you are ignorant about this, or choose (yes some things are choices) to remain clueless, in order to keep your little world view from falling apart. Openness to new life, is part of every healthy marriage. That does not mean there will be any children. Any severing of this means the government or church, or whatever has just bought into a “declaration of love” or partnership contract. Which is fine, but the wise never confuse this with real marriage.
Your idea of “family” is meaningless… are you saying that folks who have adopted kids are less a family because it’s not natural procreation?
If you feel that way fine… legally there is no requirement for children or procreation in marriage. Simple fact.
From a legal standpoint, there is no difference between a gay marriage an a sterile marriage (which, with the elderly, happen all the time). None whatsoever.
Sorry, Ted, wrong again. A sterile elderly couple has the capacity to be “open to new life”. Also, they serve as a model of the unique, complementary relationship, where a man and woman become “one flesh”. These things are present to marriages (real) that adopt.
What does “open to new life” mean?? It sounds like a made up description to purposely include everything that straight people do and purposely exclude all same-sex couples.
How in blazes do they have the capacity for such that a gay couple does not have?
The “one flesh” nonsense is part of religion… not civil law.
There is no difference under our law. I beg of you to show me the legal difference.
Do you realize how stupid and nonsensical it is to argue against monogamy by citing STD rates?
Just what I was thinking
We will, thanks! Tedlick and I are HIV free, and have been together for decades. No worries about AIDS here, because we aren’t superstitious fools who believe the disease spontaneously creates itself as some punishment from supernatural forces.
ewww way too much information.
You’re the one who opened the door and when faced with the facts gets all squirmy. Like I said, why should people have to suffer because you’re the one with the issues?
Stating that they are healthy and monogamous is “too much information”? My, aren’t you sensitive!
You have issues. Almost feel sorry for you.
Those against same-sex marriage obsess over the sexual acts of gays and lesbians, but one mention of being monogamous to my fiancé is “way too much information”?
Have you paused to consider the double-standard you employ here?
I’m pretty sure that this demographic studied, these “young MSM”, were not married, monogamous couples.
Your comment highlights the ongoing need for more and better education about HIV/AIDS, about how, when, and where anyone can be tested anonymously, and about how to avoid acquiring/transmitting the virus, for all young adults no matter whether they are gay or straight.
But that has nothing to do with marriage between loving and committed gay couples. I wish all of them the same happiness that my marriage has given me and my spouse.
For you my friend…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mCgbyvb9uw
Thank you, from my lovely bride Union Maid, and myself.
The song captures her spirit perfectly!
Thank you!
Now why don’t you tell all of us the history of aids/hiv an how it started ? You will see it was started by stright people .
How’s your petition to change this law coming along?
Oh, hey-did you notice those stats are before marriage was available to most gays in the country?
What is your point with this post, anyway? Are you showing your ignorance….?
Sick.
Why, then, did you come here voluntarily to be sickened?
Not very rational…
It is called homophobia. It is an obsession. Pray for him.
Demonstrate where homophobia (a nonsense word aimed at injuring others who don’t agree with you) is listed as an obsession anywhere but in homosexual propaganda—or should I quote you “studies”.
OMG! VICTIM here!!!!
Ironic that you use the phrase “injuring others” when talking about that word when it’s actual homophobes that actually injure and even kill others.
How self-centered is the group that identifies itself as the only offendable party? How is it that homosexuals cease to be gay when little boys are molested by men? When underage teens are molested in homosexual acts. A whole new terminology has been developed to make sure predators have shed the “gay” label once they offend. How is it that the lusting after pre-teens is not listed as a sexual orientation, when it is obvious that it is just that? Illegality of the behavior does not change that the strong urge is truly an orientation, yes, just like homosexuality. So let’s quit with the “victim here” halo.
Again, deflecting.
You sure put some thought into that response, Joe. It’s easier that way, I suppose. Slogan after slogan after cliche’. But, that worked in the election. Our young people love the ‘unencumbered with thinking’ approach to pop culture. Kooool!
I’m just waiting for answers.
Drink plenty of fluids, and put down the computer while you get some rest!
;+) thanks.
What are you on this article /comment board for then? Very strange….
Am so proud of our state!
I am not. And there are many, many others who are so disappointed and sick about this.
Really? Honestly, why should it matter to you at all? How does it even affect you apart from the “ick” factor and you think it violates some self-created sense of morality?
Self-created morality, excuse me. There is nothing in this voted version of Caligulan codification that isn’t a dictated moral perversion. Our marriage law had previously acknowledged a 3,000 year moral code.
BWA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!
If you need a centuries old mythology to tell you right from wrong, you’re one dangerous human being…
Conniving people into giving up their lives for mythological monsters… THAT is immoral.
PS: you never did tell us how it affects you aside from your “ick factor”…
What an incredibly weak marriage schmidlap must have for it to be so threatened and fragile simply by the love and joy of others.
Wow. You sure do hyperbole right! Caligulan? Really? Did you ever read the book or see the movie? Two people entering into a committed relationship is about the last thing that fit into that little fantasy world that Gore Vidal created. And stating that one man/one woman marriage was a 3,000 year institution is simply wrong factually.
You won’t let it go, will you. You know that we we know of as marriage in 2012 is NOT the same marriage that we had 60, 100, or 3000 years ago. It, along with society, is always changing.
Yes, a proud moral code and “tradition” that excluded people of different races from wedding, a Biblical-based moral code that describes polygamy, forced marriage to rapists, and forced marriage of captives of war.
Fortunately we’ve all been once again spared this Biblical-based moral code and all it’s twisted variations falsely presented as some sort of consistent tradition, or morality for that matter !
But why? How are they harmed? How are their lives changed?
You could always move to Texas or Alabama ,etc. where you are likely to find more like-minded people to you. However, better hurry up and get a move on, as the times they are a changin’. Younger people are not into discrimination. Live and let live.
The state had bigger fish to fry, but all people are worried about is being married to someone the same gender as them instead.
Yes. Of course. Having this one item on the ballot means that people were completely diverted from other issues of the state because, as we all know, people can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. What a foolish comment. What specific issues were dumped and ignored because marriage equality was on the ballot? And for those who are in committed same-sex relationships, it’s pretty important to them.
Like the other bonds that we didn’t need for starters, turn on a TV and read some news now and then outside of “gay rights”
The state has other fish to fry in addition to this.
But equitable treatment of ALL citizens should be as important to you as it is to me even if you’re not looking to get married.
It took me 2 seconds of my life to fill in that little circle. Boy it was taxing.
Wow that’s it, I suffered an injury filling out mine, and I demanded better instructions on filling in the circle at the time of my voting too, my 1 vote made a heck of a difference I tell ya
I am a “white man” and have been married to the same wonderful woman for over 30 years, and I am as straight as a 100 yard dash.
I enthusiastically supported marriage equality, and will continue to do so.
Marriage I believe, is a wonderful thing. And I am very glad that the gay community that resides in this state will now get the chance to openly and EQUALLY participate in something that the rest of our citizens have always enjoyed.
I am proud to live in a state where enough people cared about the phrase “all men/women are created equal” so as not to deny that equality to their fellow citizens.
I hope that gay men and women find the same happiness that my wife and I have experienced over four decades of marriage.
Whoopee, and many have exceeded that, and don’t agree at all. Sorry, all urges and behaviors aren’t equal. And, sorry again, kids do need a mom and dad. I know these are shocking ideas.
Urges and behaviors? Is that all marriage is to you?
Marriage requires no procreation… procreation requires no marriage.
Legally, they’re not related to one another.
Even Darwin wouldn’t agree to gay marriage. And yes, marriage should be open to procreation because that is how God intended. But people will continue to sin and do what they want despite what God has told us in the Bible. So they have done since the beginning of time. The sins of men do not change. It is truly shameful.
I don’t care what Darwin would agree to.
God doesn’t matter… atheists wed all the time with no religious trappings whatsoever. Procreation requires no marriage… marriage requires no procreation.
These are the realities of civil marriage… it’s a very simple fact.
Sin is a fabrication of mythology… it has no relevance to civil law.
And you’re an expert on Dearwin and the theory of evolution? Creds please.
What a terrifically ignorant statement. You must be either making this comment simply in jest, or you truly have no clue what you are speaking about. Either way, I would recommend that you join the 21st century, and realize that children need loving “parents”, without assigning sexual role assignments.
All psychology teaches that a child needs both a mom and dad for proper development. Single parent homes DO harm children in many ways–they are not the ideal nor never meant to be but those in them can ask God to assist them. In same-sex marriage situation it is a pure disobedience from God and the natural law and WILL harm all involved in the end. It will harm society, it will harm the children involved and it is an abomination (according to the Bible) against God. All will be judged in the end.
Same disagreement from me as before. And we all get judged.
you are so wrong…chiidren need a mother and a father.
You must know plenty of successful single parents, right?
Why do people constantly say they are sorry when they aren’t?
Kids need love. Love comes from parent’s whether they are an opposite couple or a same sex couple.
Kids don’t discriminate.
All psychology teaches that child development is best with both a mom and dad. A same-sex couple will DENY a child this natural right. Yes, there are single parent homes due to divorce and sin but that is not the ideal. God NEVER sanctioned gay marriage—that is man’s wrongdoing. Deep down those who support gay marriage KNOW it is wrong but they would rather appease themselves than do what is just. It is shameful and WILL harm children.
Citations please (“All” is a dead giveaway.)
Interesting, I am taking a class right now on social issues in psychological development and we recently spent class time discussing the fact that children raised by same sex parents do not differ in their wellbeing nor outcomes than those raised by heterosexual parents.
The world is supposed to come to an end on the 21st according to the Myan calender. If it does we won’t have to witness any of this.
Unless you go out of your way, you won’t have to witness it anyway.
The Mayan calendar did not account for leap years and the supposed date of the “end of the world” has long since come and gone .
Bulletin: their calendar just resets.
That sounds rather bitter.
You may recall reading about a little girl from Waterville who has been missing for about a year, with foul play suspected. She had a mom and a dad. And what about the baby boy who died a few months ago after being hurled across the room by his father? He had a mom and a dad.
Having a mom and a dad does not gaurantee safety, love or happiness.
Children raised in a loving home have the best chance at life.
Do you mean waterville
Yes. Thanks for that. Fixed it.
“Urges”. That says something about your mind and thinking , more than anything else. Children need loving parents; parents who will be there for them. The composition of that is not what it is important. I know of people who would have preferred having two gay parents, rather than what they had. You really don’t have a clue.
Let me know when you try to prohibit divorce.
Yes, divorce is actually against God too but people will continue to do what they want and ignore God. So it has been since Jesus walked the earth. People choose sin over following Truth.
Well, if you will let divorce slide, why are you going on about marriage between to people of the same gender who love each other?
Sadly, gay marriage will cause many problems in society–especially with children forced to live in such an environment where they don’t have the chance to have either a mom or dad. No child should be denied a proper home given that there are many adoption homes with both a mom and dad. All psychology teaches the importance of child development in having both a mother and father. This state decision is not from God.
No child should be denied a proper home given that there are many adoption homes with both a mom and dad.
Not enough, clearly. And gay couples can already adopt – the vote had nothing to do with adoption.
That’s sad for the kid.
How many kids have you adopted?
how about yourself? adopt any lately?
No, it’s not from your concept of God. Are you against increased adoption over foster homes and worse alternatives? ready to take up the slack yourself?
Congratulations! I’m glad that every consenting adult can now legally marry the one they love. Man and woman. Man and man. Woman and woman. That’s the way it should be!
No, we can’t marry anyone we love. That was only the slogan, used by the homosexual self-interest group. No, we can’t even, necessarily, marry the consenting adult we love. All the previous restrictions still apply with the agreement of the “equality” folks, except for the same-sex redefining they wanted. So they’re “discriminators”, too. Maybe, they’re traditionalists!
“No, we can’t marry anyone we love.” Well, true, there is a certain expectation of reciprocity. For instance, in this country it’s considered bad form to marry someone you love who, in turn, has never heard of you
Umm, this makes way too much sense for me to comprehend. Must drink more coffee…..coffee……coffee………
It’s about damn time.
Wow… “fellow homo”…
Is that really how you break the world down? Judging your neighbors by Ted Bundy? David Berkowitz? Jack the Ripper? Richard Rimirez? All proud heterosexuals my little friend… Do you feel it accurate to hold all heterosexual Americans to their light? Really?
Really? That’s how you go through life? You’re a sad little man… very sad indeed.
Sounds like you’ve got the judgement thing down pretty pat yourself.
ROFLOL!!! Anyone posting here knows that’s not my “judgment”… I merely offer you an example (or several as the case may be) of how truly petty and silly your comparisons and judgments are. That’s precisely why I used your logic… to show you how dumb it is.
It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad…
Sorry, Ted, you’re not above the fray. The “sad, little man” comments are their own indictments of that.
If you prefer to think of all gay citizens by the horrid actions of one, then you deserve the comments.
That’s your actions… not mine.
How is it that any homosexual that commits a crime against a minor teenager or younger becomes a pedofile or predator, but is no longer “gay”? This is a convenient classifying and newspeak technique, whereby homosexuals are not capable of sexual assault on minors.
Again do not call names.
I was calling names, that was a description
okay, I will not say homo nomo
Now this is done, and rightfully so, lets move on to something that actually matters, jobs for the people.
Can’t argue with that.
They’ll be sued if they follow their religious beliefs, though.
Yup. Just like they’d be sued if they refused to photograph or cater for muslims, jews, elderly people, or any other identifiable group. Honey, if you go into business, you give up the right to choose who you will serve and who you won’t. The sooner all the bigots get sued out of business, the better.!
Lovely tolerance by the tolerance rainbow folks!
So, it’d be okay, then for me to refuse service to closed-minded Christians? Or are you saying that we are obligated to show tolerance to all because that’s what we want but no one else is obligated? What are you saying?!?!? Maybe just that people SHOULD be allowed to discriminate against gay people, like what Mike Heath advocates…?
Yes, I know this might challenge your thinking, but some discrimination is not necessarily the unfair or legal type. If your conscience doesn’t allow you to provide a service or participate in some thing for religious reasons, it is a constitutional right that you not be forced to. Are you aware of how important this “inalienable right” given to us by “our Creator” is to our way of life?
So, then, the answer is yes?
Can you read?
Can you?
No, you are absolutely wrong. There is NO constitutional right to deny others something like access to a business service because YOU claim a “religious objection.”
Nope, just LOVE having the law enforced!
Well, it depends on how they follow their religious beliefs. If they blatantly break the law and discriminate against someone who is gay because they don’t like gay people, then that’s their problem. Hiding behind religion so that you can discriminate does an injustice to all religions and all religious people.
Denying a gay person or a gay married couple service because you feel it’s against your religion is not following your religion, is it? You aren’t marrying those people, you are offering them the same service you offer every other member of the public-that is what the law says you must do. And remember, the PEOPLE affirmed that law in 2005.
The practice of religion is discriminatory, unless you believe in nothing or everything. Choosing NOT to have your business participate in sin is religious freedom. Freedom of religion is basic to our rights. Unfair and/or legal discrimination are concepts that are secondary, as they are derived from the constitutional rights and how they are practiced. So the primary right is more compelling than the secondary. Which, I know, is backward to those who ( in their tolerance) want to step on people’s practice of faith.
So, then, it should really be a free-for-all, with businesses posting a list on their premises and websites of who they will or will not engage in business with. Before we can shop for products and services, we first have to shop for business that will work with us. It might be best to have a questionnaire for each customer so that the business owner can be sure that potential customer is not guilty of offending the religious beliefs. I’m sure there are many things out there, besides the gay, that will disqualify most of us.
Not “who they won’t do business with”, but under what circumstances or undertaking they may not participate in religious conscience. Make sense? It did to the Constitution framers.
Sounds the same to me.
Absolutely wrong. Can’t behind that canard.
Nothing was said about “religious rights”.
Jobs like wedding planner, wedding photographer, caterer, etc etc!
Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
(so the Catholic church has stated that many people are born homosexual. They say we should not act on it. so according to your book it was heterosexuals who did homosexual act “went against their nature”. ….so going against my nature is a sin. Sleeping with men is against my nature desire.
I will not be a liar.
My Book???? You give me too much credit! The Bible is Gods book and you should read it! Homosexual acts are sin! Stealing is sin! It is not sin until you COMMIT the sin! Temptation IS NOT SIN! God states that homosexual acts are sin! No matter how you attempt to twist those words, you know deep down that homosexual acts are indeed sin and someday you will have to answer for it! Your acceptance with God comes by believing in Christ alone. You must never add to or twist this truth. We are saved by faith, not by the good that we do. Have you placed your whole trust and confidence in Christ? He alone can forgive you and bring you into a relationship with God. How will you receive salvation if you keep on sinning?
I have read it. Did you read the quotes I posted? Why dont you follow them? They dont make you feel powerful over your own homosexual urges?
Actually temptation is a sin. If your eye causes you to lust gauge it out. How many eyes do you have?
I dont know
my god pretty much says it’s great to love everyone and treat them equally and not to hate anyone… so
I’ll go with that
So when President Carter said he had “sinned” because he had lust in his heart he really wasn’t sinning?
Then stop acting homosexual; you’re not doing it right anyway…
Problem solved…
Don’t be a liar, especially to yourself! Natural law refers to being created in God’s image and having a sense of order in the universe. Some of our urges, or concupiscence, come from our fallen nature. It isn’t easy to overcome powerful urges, but it is what makes us right-living humans.
“Fallen nature” indeed. You can go on comforting yourself that you were somehow predestined to fail if you want, but don’t tar the rest of us with your superstitious brush.
If these are urges within us, doesn’t that mean that we are born with those urges?
So how long have you had homosexual urges ?
That’s what you’re saying here,isn’t it, that you have the urges you’re talking about and have successfully conquered them ?
If not, then how is it that you’re not bearing false witness ?
“Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.” (1 Samuel 15:3)
“Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock.” (Psalm 137:9)
“Jephthah made a vow to the Lord. ‘If you deliver the Ammonites into my power,’ he said, ‘whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites shall belong to the Lord. I shall offer him up as a holocaust.’ … When Jephthah returned to his house in Mizpah, it was his daughter who came forth, playing the tambourines and dancing. She was an only child: he had neither son nor daughter besides her. When he saw her, he rent his garments and said, ‘Alas, daughter, you have struck me down and brought calamity upon me. For I have made a vow to the Lord and I cannot retract’.” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)
“Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.” (1 Peter 2:18)
According to this one God appointed the president and the fact that you speak against him is horrible…
Romans 13:1-7
English Standard Version (ESV)
Submission to the Authorities
13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
Your ignorance of scripture is overwhelming!
As is yours ignorance of reality.
Though not as entertaining as your ability to take it seriously.
so when YOU quote from the bible, it’s okay, but when OTHERS quote from the bible, it’s ignorant.
Please look in the mirror today, and see a perfect definition of hypocrisy!
Your,as well, ignorance of scipture is overwhelming too!
I do not advocate rebelling against or refusing to obey the government’s laws or regulations unless those laws clearly require you to violate the moral standards revealed by God. Wherever we find ourselves, we must be responsible citizens, as well as responsible Christians.
Thankfully, we can extend civil marriage to same-sex couples without violating any moral standards revealed by God!
Because God blesses love, he does not condemn it.
Then you’re not doing what the Bible says.
Render unto Caesar…
According to the scripture I posted nothing happens in government that God did not create.
If you believe that Bill, then don’t do it.
But you see, civil law is not your religion… your religion is not civil law.
Keep your Jesus… but don’t expect everyone nor civil law to follow.
God is always right! Remember that!
No… that’s your opinion of the situation. You have no proof.
God is always right, and the Bible is sometimes wrong.
Case in point, Genesis 1:16, where the Bible claims the moon is a light. It’s not, it simply reflects the light from our sun.
God surely knew this, but the ancient writers of the Bible did not.
You do not speak for God. Thank god.
Um… your holy union is called “holy matrimony”.
Nobody’s touched that one hothsot…
As for sin… meh… you choose to follow that thought, I do not.
Would hotshot qualify as name-calling? Or, is your side defining those terms, also.
It’s a name of affection… a term of endearment…
Why are you so glum anyway? What harm is befalling you as a result of all this?
If you’re so against the evolution of language, why are you typing in modern English?
Evolution? Now there’s a word that has itself evolved, it now seems to mean ” a rapid change in truth to accommodate one’s wishful world view”.
Again, not answering the questions. Language evolves.
I understand that it can be confusing. I’ve decided to make you a chart.
If you are married and straight…
Male, tell people you have a wife.
Female, tell people you have a husband.
If you are married and gay…
Male, tell people you have a husband.
Female, tell people you have a wife.
This will prevent any confusion, ambiguity, or misunderstanding.
Ya, like marriage terminology tradition will be respected anymore than the word marriage itself. On the “New Normal” the guy says he gets to be the mommy. Confused, anyone?
By all means, let’s look to network situation comedies for that information.
That show is just a cheap, unfunny rip off of Modern Family anyhow. Count me in as not confused one bit.
I don’t like the show. I tried a couple of episodes, but the stereotypes and preaching are just ridiculous.
You know not to judge hundreds of thousands of people by one television show.
And what is the “marriage terminology tradition”? And do you care what straight people call each other in their marriage? I’d be that there are a lot of straight people who don’t respect the marriage tradition, too.
I suggest that you refrain from using wacky tv sit-coms as a reference point for sociological evolution.
Yeah-we could do the same. We would be able to state that it’s normal to have a little robot girl as a member of the family!
Nope. What’s confusing is probably the selective use of quotation marks.
Stop, you’ll confuse him. Really. Poor guy doesn’t understand what sarcasm is.
You must be fun at a party.
Thank You!
Fun like bed bugs, or fun like a wet rash?
Fun like the cops telling you to turn the music down.
Fun like Debbie Downer.
http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/19280
You are the most despicable person on these boards.
Oh, man, I don’t know about that. There’s so much competition.
He and Naran are right up there with some of the worst.
I’m not usually one to stick up for Naran, but she is pro-ssm. It’s just the company she keeps that make it seem otherwise.
and you know him so well to call names? so 2nd grade.
He sounds like a miserable individual. It must be awful to be in that skin.
I feel like I should defend him from those who don’t know him. He has helped so many kids in that school district, and you are judging him on his beliefs. Everyone has a right to their religious beliefs, and if you don’t agree, so be it. But resorting to name calling and mean statements is very juvenile. Arent we suppose to be adults here?
Nothing in there at all speaks against the blessed love two people share when they commit their lives to one another in support and honor— there is nothing sinful about being gay or lesbian.
Really???? re-read this: 27And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
Hmmmmmm …
Spooky mythology is spooky!!!
Not…
Belief in nothing makes us believers in our logic and it’s power.
The fact that people can, as you’ve just done, state that evident and fundamental truth in such a way that it’s obvious they think it’s a bad thing is, perhaps, the saddest thing about the 21st century.
Belief in nothing? How bland and boring…
how superior of you, belief brings comfort and hope to millions of people on Earth. Your “snappy” comebacks speak volumes about your lost moral compass.
My “snappy comeback” was sincere…
You’re trying SO hard to find reasons to be hostile towards me… it’s actually quite funny.
You know what, it doesn’t really matter how many times you read mistranslated, misinterpreted, hilariously-out-of-date propaganda pertaining to an expansionistic tribe of desert nomads from the other side of the world, it’s still not going to make a ton of sense to apply any of it to life in the 21st-century western hemisphere.
Yes, really.
You see, same-sex couples who seek to marry are far past the “burn with lust for each other” stage– we are in dedicated, committed lifelong relationships, and we sought civil marriage to protect the lives we build together.
God BLESSES our lives together when we commit toward one another in truth and devotion. It’s sad you cannot see past your irrational obsessions regarding gay sex.
“God BLESSES our lives together when we commit toward one another in truth and devotion.”….Really???….Show us the scripture that supports this thought! Because you “commit to a lifetime of sin” somehow you think God accepts this as the same as a union between one man and one woman as he designed?
Romans 12, 9-18 gives obvious blessings toward committed couples who marry.
This passage by St. Paul (and it’s beautiful) about love applies to ALL of us. And, I often fail to live up to this. It certainly is NOT an endorsement of marriage between people of the same gender. Come on!
The Bible is not the law of the land Mr. Peters.
You’re right! Only for those so blessed!
I don’t believe that one will find any place under the flag of the U.S.A that has replaced secular law with Biblical (or any other religious) law schmidlap.
So, you are above the law?
Where are you people coming from? I spent decades attending mass and I have never heard any of this crap. We accepted all people regardless of color, creed, sexual orientation and religion. I’m thinking you need to explore other options.
You Nailed it, Bill! Badkey keeps calling people “hotshot.” Is that a gay codeword for something?
“Soft kitty, warm kitty,Little ball of fur.Happy kitty, sleepy kitty,Purr, purr, purr.Little kitty, nice kitty,Purr, purr, purr”
What’s the matter Bill? Is your gay lover badgering you to divorce your unhappy wife now that you two can get legally hitched?
I sure am glad I don’t have anything to do with your invisible skyfriend. He sounds awful!
Wasn’t believing that the world was round also a sin?
With liberty and justice for all!
There is no God.
Romans 13: 12-14
12The night is almost gone; the day of salvation will soon be here. So remove your dark deeds like dirty clothes, and put on the shining armor of right living. + 13Because we belong to the day, we must live decent lives for all to see. Dont participate in the darkness of wild parties and drunkenness, or in sexual promiscuity and immoral living, or in quarreling and jealousy. + 14Instead, clothe yourself with the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ. And don’t let yourself think about ways to indulge your evil desires.
More religion to defend an argument of civil law?
You see how far that’s gotten you thus far, don’t you?
It got us far enough to lay the ground work for our law and government, education, hospitals, the very first universities… and virtually the entire philosophical, ontological and moral trajectory that has resulted in your very freedom to hurl such insults at our Creator!
With regard to this issue (gay marriage) it has gotten you nowhere.
In fact, religion cannot be entered into court as a defense for your views… so it’s done nothing for you.
The scientific and medical breakthroughs of our lives haven’t come from churches. Something to keep in mind.
Oh wise one, the purposes for which we put those breakthroughs to work are what it’s all about. And, universities themselves were first brought about by groups of monastic scholars and supporters, Also, historical, scientific, linguistic, philosophical, mathematical and theological thoughts and writings from, especially, the Greek and Roman eras were kept i alive through the Middle (Dark) Ages almost exclusively by monks. Many scientific/medical breakthroughs have come about through Catholic Universities. Sorry to spoil your world view that The Church has no place or contributions, when it is responsible for most including the salvation of souls from the nonsensical, random, nanny-governmental and popular consensus-driven world you think you want.
Don’t care what they were “first brought about by”… mythology has been completely unnecessary in modern medicine and science.
Monks?
BWA HA HA HA HAAAAAA… During the dark ages the catholic losers burned libraries as they found them… it was muslims who saved the work of the romans and greeks and even gave us the symbol for “zero” (and empty space: 0), a concept considered heresy by the catholic church.
Mythology has been far more a detriment… that’s why their ruling era was the “dark ages”.
Religion is unnecessary.
Actually, you’re thinking of Muslims. They are the ones who preserved the knowledge of the Greeks while the collapse of the Roman Empire plunged us into the Dark Ages.
I think Romans 12 9-18 is a much healthier biblical passage to focus on, if you’re going to obsess…
9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction,faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[a] Do not be conceited.
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Of course, your right on this point.
Don’t forget Matthew 19 4-8 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
And, as you know, were spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eppur si muove.
OMG. You are a piece of work. I was raised in a very religious Christian home where we were taught to love all people regardless of race, creed, religion or sexual preference. Your interpretation of the bible is so far out! Christianity is all about tolerance and acceptance. Guess we went to different churches.
I’m sure you did. It sounds like they confused equality of the soul and human dignity with equality of urges and behaviors.
why do you need to define other people’s relationships? I’m straight, been married 28 years to someone of the opposite sex. It was not a holy union. A federal magistrate married us. My marriage doesn’t affect you any more or less than a same sex one.
This is wonderful news!!!!
“Now when you say the word marriage, no one knows to whom you are married
to or what kind of relationship that is!”
Hmmmm doesn’t mean that you are married to someone you love?
~~~~~
“It could be a holy union
between one man and one woman or it could be a despicable, lustful
homosexual sin!”
What about those men and women that are married by Judges, Justice of the Peaces, Town Clerks, etc… Aren’t they “married” too?
~~~~~~
“So I guess we will just have to find another term, a
rock solid definition, that separates you sinful beings from we who
engage in holy marriage!”
The word you are searching for is marriage. A couple (opposite or same sex) may choose a civil or a religious service to solemnize their marriage. So, the word exists and means the same today as it meant last year.
Also, I have seen plenty of straight marriages that had much sin. Straight people aren’t immune.
The current law is for MARRIAGE licenses. I suggest Mr. Peters start that petition to get the name, changed, then.
So true. I had to almost laugh at the “holy matrimony” words coming from that poster. Unreal. He doesn’t exactly come across as some moral , good, humane person. He thinks he is the arbiter of what is “holy”??!! We would be in trouble if that was so!
It ain’t over yet because God is going to have the final say. He is totally against gay marriage. It’s a sin against True Righteousness and Holiness. Its a sin against nature itself in the way God created man and woman and He is going to judge it one day. Laugh and mock if you want, so did they in the days when righteous Noah warned of a flood. They were eating, drinking and making merry until the flood came and destroyed them all. God and His Word is not going to be mocked. People need repentance not legal justification for their sin. Repentance means turning from sin to God and His ways. It means the homosexual will no longer be a homosexual and those supporting gay marriage (that God hates) will no longer support gay marriage. I would not be the least surprised if God who is so merciful gives more warning signs like the recent earthquake that people have a God to reckon with and that the time to repent is now. Repent while you can because some day it will be too late.
(Romans 1:26-27)
“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. “
Let He that be without Sin cast the first stone…
Oh, sinless one, do tell us more about what God wants !
Why does your version of Christianity supersede the version I learn every Sunday in my Christian church?
Your church was the right one.
Maybe your church falls short in the truth department, as many have. Check out The Church, it will not let you down, ever.
Awesome shout-out to the 80’s band! I did enjoy “Under the Milky Way” back in the day.
I LOVE that song!
Woah.
“God… is not going to be mocked.”
Oh, heh, I think you’ll find that’s simply not the case.
LOL!!!
Keep it up! Keep using religion… I beg of you.
PS: Why do christians like to threaten people with damnation? Does pushing fear make you feel better?
How is it you hold Christians to such a high standard, Ted? Maybe they are The Standard in you heart/mind, that you must prevail over in order to feel validated.
Legally speaking, christians are no different than muslims or buddhists… hindus or pastafaraians… all religions are equal in the United States.
I find no need to prevail over any of them… but I do feel that they are all bound to civil law whether they like it or not.
And none of them are enforced as civil law.
It’s that simple.
You are the sinner.
You presume to know the mind of God,
yet you propose NOTHING in His eyes….
Your sin is pride.
Your ignorance of scripture is overwhelming!
Exhorting people to turn back from sin is not pride. Let the man have his say–remember tolerance.
There is nothing in the bible whatsoever that condemns same-sex marriage. In contrast, there are many passages that celebrate when two people join together in support and affirmation.
Could that be because such an abomination wasn’t even imagined, then? Heck, not even 30 years ago by most.
It’s clear we will never see eye to eye on this matter if you insist on calling my committed lifelong relationship with the love of my life an “abomination.”
We are Mainers just like you. We give to charity, volunteer in our community, and help out our neighbors—and they help us out.
Seriously, I don’t think it would occur to you to tell me my marriage is an abomination if you knew me in real life. The anonymity of the Internet allows you to be offensive in ways I don’t think you’d think acceptable to people you meet face to face.
Face to face is the same, sin is inherently evil regardless of who we are. Many have gone to their graves as martyrs for the Truth, because they continued to profess this. This is what you’re up against in The Church. And, Christ said to Peter ( the 1st pope) “the gates of Hell, will not prevail against it’. And, this applies to abortion and other abominations which includes “so called same sex marriage”.
Oh please, this hyperbole is ridiculous— no one is feeding Christians to the lions over this, nor are any Christians facing criminal charges (let alone capital punishment) over gay marriage.
Garbage… your chosen religion isn’t law.
It’s meaningless unless you choose to follow it, and NO ONE is harming “christians” as a result of this.
Life just keeps getting better and better, and you can’t stand it.
You want the world to be as miserable as you… how pathetic.
This is so wonderful. What a Christmas or holiday present for some. I am so happy for my friends and others whose lives will be bettered by the vote this past election; a vote and acknowledgement for fairness and for what is right and decent. About time!
Bravo. Hallelujah.
If any gays or lesbians move in next to me I will make their life a living hell, all within the law of course!
Don’t look now but maybe you already have gay and lesbian neighbors.
But more importantly would you….
Refuse your mail if delivered by a gay or lesbian? or,
Tell the police officer to not bother investigating your burglary if the officer was gay or lesbian? or,
Refuse to accept your needed prescription if the pharmacist or pharmacy tech were gay or lesbian?
Just wondering if you are a selective bigot or an equal opportunity bigot.
Just as a point of order, I’ve almost reached the point where I’d like to refuse my mail regardless of how the person delivering gets his or her kicks. It’s nothing nowadays but messages from people demanding my money, some with justification (i.e., bills), most without. :)
Good points. Unfortunately, it seems that most people here think all gay people are like the Hollywood stereotypes on the New Normal. We couldn’t possibly live in small towns and dress and have jobs just like everyone else.
Well said JD.
Of course you’re right. No defense for this guy. However, that doesn’t put the prescription-filling in the same category as participating in a homosexual marriage. This is a bait and switch rhetorical technique for which you SSMers are famous.
“Bait and switch”?
The poster said they would make life miserable if a gay/lesbian couple moved in next to them.
I simply asked how far would they take there loathing of gay/lesbian couples.
You sound like an awful person. You should live where you have no neighbors. Who would want the likes of you for a neighbor!
A good Christian here! Let’s pray for him!!
I bet you claim to be christian, don’t you?
Making people’s lives a “living hell” seems to be what an unfortunate number of those professing such do.
Small minded thoughts of causing harm to others marks you as less a man than most who do not make such claim.
Revel in the “Aha” moment this guy has given you. As for Christianity, you hold them to the highest of standards and seem obsessed with refuting arguments that acknowledge a SOURCE of the logic you “apparently” prize above all else.
It’s not just christians… it’s any religion who feels they should trump civil law.
Is that the only way you can feel good about yourself? By making others miserable? Very sad if that’s the case. I do hope you find peace one day
Will you burn a cross in their yard, or just parade in front of their house in your white pointy-headed robe?
This isn’t helpful!
In ten years people will look back at the strange hateful remarks by those who sought to prevent people from marrying and regard them with the same kind of pity and disgust that we today regard supporters of the prohibition of people of different races from marrying.
Move on with your lives, your hate and bile and prejudice is now a thing of the past.
We’re getting married this summer. There’s nothing you can do to stop us. There’s nothing that you can say that is going to make any difference to us. Our marriage doesn’t affect you in any way, shape or form. You can still hate us and lie about us, but you can’t stop us from getting married anymore.
Get on with your lives, you’re starting to make us feel profound pity for you.
The sad part is? This is their lives.
Huh?
TCM’s telling the haters to get on with their lives, as opposed to hanging around here throwing bile and misquoted superstition around. Sad thing is, I suspect for a lot of them those are equivalent.
“We are using our resources to obtain and give good legal advice to clerks and on their legal obligations which may be in conflict with their religious convictions.”
If any town or city clerk is taking legal advice from Conley and his group, that clerk should be fired.
Our town office is open Saturday the 29th….guess who is getting married in 25 days!
We’re shooting for Monday if we can wing it! We shall see… it’d be nice to ring in the new year married!
Good luck, Seth!
Did you already have rings, or have you been shopping? Looking for pointers on LGBT friendly jewelers in Maine :)
Well, the law may take effect but that does not change the immoral fact of homosexual marriage that remains. God will still be opposed (as we read in the Bible) and people will continue to ignore God and do what they want. Those who thumb their nose at God will still have to face His judgement in the end. The Truth remains—-the laws of men are not always right. Remember slavery—never right but continued nonetheless.
Your god has no bearing on civil law…
As with slavery, things changed for the better…
His judgement is merely spooky threats to try and get people to behave as you want them to.
Nothing more.
God condemns rape, not love.
You can oppose homosexuals all you want, but don’t claim that you are obeying God when you do so. We are all God’s children, and those of us blessed to find in one another a loving, supportive lifelong relationship should be allowed to wed. I’m glad the majority of Mainers understand that!
What wonderful, joyous, and loving news! I bear witness to both sides of this issue. I have been the target of hurtful discrimination and hate, while all the time knowing that I once had all of these marital rights and no one ever questioned it nor did I feel it was their business, furthermore, I never felt as though I had to ask anyone for permission – especially strangers. You see, I was married to a man for 13 years and had two beautiful sons, now young men. Since 2002, I have been with my partner in a committed relationship. We celebrated our commitment ceremony in 2003 and now we can make it legal and enjoy some of the same marital rights I once had, including being able to visit each other in the hospital and at the funeral home. We finally have some protection in the state’s marital rights to give us back a measure of dignity in our lives.
Good news.