PRESQUE ISLE, Maine — A standing-room-only audience crowded into Northern Maine Community College on Wednesday afternoon for the second of three regional meetings held so that Aroostook County residents could weigh in on Gov. Paul LePage’s supplemental budget and its proposed reductions to MaineCare costs.

Several urged the state to crack down on those abusing MaineCare, the state’s Medicaid program for low-income and disabled residents.

More than 150 people were on hand for the forum, which LePage did not attend. A representative from his administration was on hand to take notes.

The governor attended the Fort Kent forum on Tuesday, but LePage spokeswoman Adrienne Bennett said he never had confirmed he would be at the Presque Isle forum or a planned forum in Houlton scheduled for Thursday.

The event was attended by a number of lawmakers from throughout The County who said they would take the concerns to Augusta with them.

LePage’s proposal, designed to address an estimated $220 million shortfall in the Department of Health and Human Services budget, calls for tightening eligibility guidelines, eliminating services and repealing coverage for thousands of recipients to bring MaineCare closer to national averages. The governor has outlined planned funding rollbacks for mental health services and substance abuse programs, as well as a loss of benefits for some low-income adults.

Many of the speakers, who identified themselves only by their first names, were elderly, ill or were caregivers for someone disabled, ill or elderly. A number of the speakers expressed anger both at the reductions and at what some saw as the state’s failure to crack down on those abusing the MaineCare system.

Several residents said that they knew people who was classified as disabled and who were receiving MaineCare benefits while also working on the side. A Mars Hill woman who spoke said she was a two-time breast cancer survivor and also had a serious heart condition. She said that she had struggled to get the health coverage she needed and also spoke of a relative with multiple sclerosis who fought for MaineCare coverage.

“We have to fight 15-year-old girls who are pregnant and living with their parents for coverage,” she said to applause from the audience.

Another woman, who told lawmakers that she also battled for MaineCare coverage despite lifelong epilepsy and multiple sclerosis, said the state needs to “do something” about young women who are easily getting coverage when they become pregnant.

“Train these girls for a job, get them off welfare and off MaineCare,” she said. “I’ve also seen people out there chopping wood who say they are disabled. They aren’t disabled.”

Others said they supported LePage’s proposal, including one man who declared that “our day of reckoning is here.”

“You’ve got to make cuts now,” he told the legislators. “There are a wide variety of programs in place that can take a hit, even a small one.”

Rep. Bernard Ayotte, R-Caswell, said that LePage wants to take people off the MaineCare dole so that those who are truly deserving, such as the disabled and elderly, can be taken care of.

“I know the governor; he is not going to put anyone out on the street,” he said.

Rep. John Martin, D-Eagle Lake, said he heard the complaints from those who were fed up with a system that they believe is open to abuse. He said that he was offended by businesses that did not offer health insurance to employees but instead told them to pursue MaineCare.

But he added that he felt the real goal was to make sure that all of the state’s residents had health care coverage, which drew rousing applause from the crowd.

Rep. Alex Willette, R-Mapleton, urged residents who knew of those defrauding MaineCare to call the state to report such abuses.

“A lot of people have talked about fraud,” he said. “But you can’t catch people until you are willing to tell the state about it. Catching people defrauding the system starts with you. We can’t just go and investigate every person. We don’t have the staff. It starts with you.”

Katrin Teel, senior policy adviser for the governor’s office, said LePage is seeking to protect the state’s most vulnerable residents.

“This is not raiding MaineCare; it is rescuing it,” she said of his proposal. “He will be working with the Legislature to care for those who most need these services. It was interesting to hear all of the viewpoints today, and they will be taken back to the governor.”

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  1. John Martin speaks for the liberals who have caused the problems in the first place, and he has been part of that problem for too many years.

    1. John Martin was AT the meeting, now wasn’t he.   The Governor, you know..that guy who scheduled these meetings?….WASNT there now was he?    You don’t suppose that the governor, who had planned to attend all of these meetings,  according to his own office’s press releases,  felt the need to get out of dodge?    

      What a leader we have,  he should be used to it by now.   He can’t do the job;   he doesn’t have the thick skin it takes to absorb criticism and opposing viewpoints.  I would love to tell him that the State  House doesn’t belong to him, it belongs to us.   The next time he chooses to burst in on a legislative work session (which are typically closed to the public, unless invited)   he should check with the committee members first. There is a reason why there are three branches of government,  he just doesn’t know that reason.

      1. It is literally impossible for one MaineCare recipient to defraud the system of $1.6 million. They’d have to have 16 bone marrow transplants with all the prep and follow up for cancer. If they did go run up that kind of a bill  and we found out about it they’d be doing hard federal time. Providers (people who are open for business) are the primary defrauders of the system by a factor of at least 100 (that means all the fraud committed by providers is 100 times as much as MaineCare recipients could be causing).

  2. John Martin is a fraud who teamed up with baldy and the rest of the liberals to make buying  health insurance in  Maine the most expensive in the country. Why? To force people into Dirigo, Obama care, and other democrat vote getting schemes! They want health care to be like welfare, where one generation of deadbeats teaches the next how to abuse the system while not having to work for a living.

  3. I bet the “lawmakers” didn’t expect that response,
    but then again they should have known,
    the 15 yr old pregnant girls and people working on the side while receiving benefits only show up at the polls.

    VOTE ‘EM OUT
    the new ones can’t do no worse, take a chance in 2012, I did with LePage in 2010 and I’m satisfied!

      1. Since when is it the job of the governor of any state to get you a job? Or your kids a job? Get off your butts and get your own jobs, like most people do.

          1. And provide you a place to stay, right across the road from “work”.  I bet daddy just makes the 20 minute trip to Waterville every evening.  He being Thurston Howell, needs to be with Lovey every night you know.

          2. The job description has nothing to do with her degree in marine biology.  She is unqualified by education.  The taxpayers of Maine should not be paying her for a political position.  Maybe if he had gotten her a job with the Dept of Marine Fisheries which has a starting pay of $32-$36k. Which is still a respectble wage for an inexperienced person.

          3. I don’t think anyone who’s ever had that position would have gotten it if someone different had been governor. At least she hasn’t been staying in thousand-dollar a night hotels using toll money, like the Democrats.

          4. So that is the argument.  Fine for the Republicans to play around with taxpayer money.  As far as the turnpike money goes I think someone is going to jail over that.  Theives come in both red and blue.

          5. She’s doing the job for which she was hired: to be an assistant. She’s not stealing anything. The only reason anybody ever gets that job is because of their connections. Get real.

          6. Did I accuse her of stealing?  The turnpike director was stealing.  Get real.  I accused the Governor of nepotism.  That is hiring family members to high paying jobs for which they are not qualified.  It is not illegal but it is unethical.

          7. I try… you used the term “get real” first.  I just thought I would go back to grammar school and retaliate.  It was kinda fun.

          8. Nepotism is theft, so yes, yes you did. There is no evidence that she was unqualified to be an assistant. Is she unable to type? Can she answer the phones? Boom, she’s qualified. It’s not like she was hired to be Commissioner of HHS.

          9. What?……     I’ll take a poll and find out just how many college graduates are unemployed, or working at wages far below what was expected.     60K?   well, he or she obviously don’t teach.   A 100K?,   that’s an advanced degree.    

            According to the Governor,  our high schools are stressing college way too much, we need to emphasize trade skills,   so these employers can hire them and not pay them what they are worth.  What’s wrong with a college, or trade school graduate marketing their skills or knowledge to fit their needs?.     The problem is…..Maine business’s won’t, and don’t think that they should have to compete for qualified employees.    So now,  it’s government’s fault?     Train them, and pay them what they deserve, that’s the way it used to be.

            Finally, he did threaten education cuts if his welfare proposal wasn’t agreed to……how much of a college degree does it take to figure out governmental extortion?   You know, the classic “If you don’t do this…..well, by golly I’m going to do this”……Richard Nixon tried that, Ronald Reagan did to a degree with Iran/Contra……..neither worked.

          10. Please open a business and pay high wages and full benifits. Solyndra comes to mind.Just a little factoid for ya.Did you know Best Buy was a small business that did not make a profit for the first 11 years.How many years and would there  be a Best Buy under your business plan? I am sure this will shock you not everyone is college material.Even in the tech colleges some are techs some are grunts.Believe it or not both are desperately needed in the vocational trades.Most trades pay very well for both.Do you really believe in Maine business is intentionally holding wages and benifits from employees?.Most i know in small business would love to offer both it just is not there.Profit margins have dropped with demand, a job with any benifits will be hard pressed in Maine.We only have a million two tops for a  customer base .Most citys have more than that in a lot less geography.We need world wide demand and  allow our small business to grow and  build things in Maine.Then maybe we can get to higher wages and better benifits.I believe the governors LD1333 will go a long way to aid in benifits and should help with the wage also.

        1. He campaigned as a governor who would focus on jobs.If you aren’t going to bother helping people in Maine,stop putting up signs.And how much tax credit or other payoff  did you get from him?That’s the only reason you’d be satisfied.

          1. LOL. No tax credits, no ‘payoffs’, I just don’t see how it’s someone else’s job to find each of us a job; that’s OUR responsibility. Then again, responsibility seems to be vanishing these days as well.

        2. I agree and more and more of us are seeing just how much abuse is going on here.
          The State pays gas milage for a person to travel to Bangor for their Oxycontin.  But what a shame when three or four travel in one vehicle but get gas milage for 4 seperate vehicles.  Now that’s fraud!

          1. That exact point was made at the meeting in Houlton and their has already been a bill put forward to address that.I hope it passes unanimously.The people in this state who have it made are prisoners and ex or current druggies.

          2. What do you think would go on in the car on the way home if they were all in the same vehicle? I’m just asking.

        3. Don’t you mean “get off the reservation”. The governor promised jobs. I don’t want a “job”. I want to continue my career of 20+ years with all my education dues paid and all my student loans paid off. But I’m not going to have a “career” with ABC stores, WalMart, or NetFlix. LePage would have me freeze to death instead. I don’t know if you’re bright enough to know when somebody way smarter than you is really peeved, but poking fun isn’t going to help you. 

          1. Hmm, odd, I never said anything even close to “get off the reservation”, whatever it is that YOU are referring to by that statement. Also, I applaud you on your obviously high level of humility in stating that you are “way smarter” than me, even though we’ve never met. Even though you’re “way smarter”, you’re reading comprehension isn’t very good being as my point concerned personal responsibility, not expecting someone to hand you a job or make certain your bills are paid off. Again, those are the responsibilities of the individual, not the state.

      2. I’m disappointed too. In a few short months, he hasn’t once used his magic wand on the State House to turn the world economy around on a dime! He wouldn’t accept my resume either, the toad!

      3. Some of us don’t expect the Governor to “get” us a job. We didn’t spend our education years knocked up or stoned. We paid attention and planned for our own future, instead of expecting other people to support us for the rest of our lives.
        No doubt, the people who blew off their education, have trained their kids to do the same.
        Your poor life decisions do not create an emergency for the rest of us. We have our own family to take care of. Your family is your own problem.
        Responsibility is never easy, so buck up little trooper, the free ride is over.

        1. 34 people supposedly liked your post. Do you have any idea what the penalty for hate speech is in Maine?

          1. Hate speech?? Give me a break. What liberal drool.
            I’ve said nothing that I wouldn’t say to your, or anyone else’s face.
            It really doesn’t look like anyone agrees with your views.

          2. liberal…liberal…liberal…liberal…bla  bla bla      Sounds so much like that pathetically cement-headed drug addict HeadRush Limbaugh.

        2. Although as his first order of business he was just fine giving his how 22 year old just out of college daughter a job with a darn good paycheck.  Why wasn’t Lauren LePage made to be a little more “responsible.”  Old Paulie needs to put his money where his big mouth is.

      4. There are a few people in Millinocket real happy to have jobs.
        You see, I’m self employed, I work doing what I have to do, most recently I even shoveled some manure to make ends meet.  Being self employed I don’t have the luxury of unemployment benefits, but I do have to pay my taxes so freeloaders don’t have to work.

          1. For all you know CRapApple here is texting from his cell on the way back from his Suboxone treatment while driving.

      5. I personally know of a few right here that would “not” take a job because the unemployment check was coming in.  And, you have to go out and get your own job.  It dosent’ fall in your lap.
        I’m so sick of the fraud that I see.  You don’t say you’re homeless while posting from your “blackberry”!!!  Young people that are on disability that can do “anything” but work.  And, the taxpayers should NOT have to pay for cigarettes and booze!!!!

        1. The taxpayers make more off taxes on booze, cigarettes, lottery, “entertainment”, and gambling than anything else. In fact they don’t want the National Folk Festival to bother their neighbors at Hollywood Slots, so they aren’t coming back next year.

    1. He’s right, vote em out!   Then the majority will change in either the House or Senate and then we will get some real foot stomping, red faced temper tantrums out of the  2nd floor office in the State House,   you that one where the governor’s office is?  

      1. After the temper tantrums and name calling coming from the dems.I think Mainers have seen just what was running Augusta for the last 30-40 years.Yes it is time to vote them out.All employees that are not elected should be made to fill out applications and apply for state jobs after a governor change.

    2. “take a chance in 2012, I did with LePage in 2010 and I’m satisfied!”

      What was your goal? To wreak a plague on Maine??

  4. Imagine that – Penguin lied again.  This time, he led the people of Presque Isle to believe that he was going to show up to hear their ideas (that is a fact) and, after not showing, he says he never confirmed that he was going to come.  The reality is that so many people decided to come that the administration realized that there was no way to put Penguin in front of this group, taking un-screened questions and have him look remotely competent.  He looked awful in Fort Kent. His handlers decided that he looks better no-showing than he would ever look having to answer a tough question.   We have a Governor who looks more competent when he hides and dodges questions than when he turns around and answers one. That’s just not good.

  5. this really makes me so mad, I worked all my life, at the age of 34, after fighting for 5 years for disability due to lupus, stage 3 liver disease, fybromyalgia, crohns disease, and herniated disks in my back and neck, just to find out i can not get social security due to my age and my being married to a husband that works was frustrating enough. Now having to deal with this is beyond  upsetting. There is no way we can afford health insurance, if i could even get insurance due to pre exsisting conditions. Mind you we live below poverty and have 2 children we are raising.

    1. I fought for disability for 7 years. I have severe arthritis throughout my body. I had too many to count operations to help keep me walking. I have a husband and two children as well. We live below poverty.  I was 39 when I got disability. You need to get a good lawyer. Good luck to you.  

      1. It does not sound like she has enough credits. She would be collecting SSI, not SSDI, her husband works. Most likely not income eligible.

    2. My goodness that is an awfully long list of disabilities for someone your age. I am a disabled Vet. One thing I found out is that if you stay on disability you shorten your life, find yourself depressed and demoralized.
      What you need to do is find the things you can do, get rehabilitation training and stay as productive and active as you can. Find an employer who will make reasonable accommodations for your disability. I would not focus strictly on disability because it is a go nowhere proposition. I would focus on remaining a productive member of society and figure out ways to do it. I know highly paid executives who are disabled. It did not stop them from realizing their dreams. They are starting behind the rest of the pack but if you have that fighting spirit anything is possible. If you don’t your future is over.

      1. Find an employer who will make reasonable accommodations for your disability.

        Difficult task as it is NOT within your means of control.

        And if you cant and try to stay reasonably active to keep from further deteriation that you refer to,

         your nieghbor calls you a fraud for not working!

        Thats when the depression kicks in!

        1. Well “me bucko”  iv’e been there done that…kind of like preaching to the choir. You obviously can operate a computer, otherwise you would not have provided a response.
          There is rehab training for folks to go into IT. You could be a work at home database administrator, a web designer, or a web analyst. They make an excellent income. There are many good options. But if someone is unwilling to consider these possibilities, as I stated …your future is over and even if someone’s condition is deteriorating they will still have their “boots”on.  Many employers offer flex time and as long as an employee gets the job done whether it is 3 in the morning or 4 in the afternoon, what is important is that it get’s done. I am not saying there isn’t discrimination out there. Believe me there is and that is just one of the obstacles you fight to overcome. Eventually you find someone who you can trust and vice versa and I would never work for any employer that engages in such discriminatory practices. They claim “equal opportunity employer”…that’s it… just a claim. I have had negative comments from my own family both pro and con. One said I was mooching off the government, another said why would I go back to work if I have my benefits. I look at it from a different perspective. If you live a sedentary lifestyle you won’t live long.

      2. Which highly paid executives are those?

        Were they disabled before they started those high-powered careers?

        Did they have insurance to pay for the rehabilitation you’re recommending to northernmainah (who can’t afford insurance)?

        Did they have help from wealthy relatives, who perhaps gave them trust funds or found jobs for them? Had they already had an excellent education, possibly prep school, college, etc?

        There are 4 or 5 people out of work for every open job. Some employers are even refusing to interview people who are not currently employed! How likely do you think it is that northernmainah will locate an employer who will rush to offer accommodations for an individual with those disabling conditions?

        1. Boy are you misinformed. I know many people who had NOTHING who made it. Are you aware that DHHS provides rehabilitation training. Social security provides a program called “ticket to work”. Veterans provides a program for VRE. The problem as I see it is people choose not to use these programs to return to work. They pay transportation, subsistence and everything else. How is it that getting a certificate in say IT makes someone an instant millionaire. Like I say, Iv’e been there done that and as long as people like you keep looking at the system as the gift that keeps on giving your done. Did your ancestors have a system they lived off of or did they get help from their family. I’ll bet you can’t answer that one.

          1. I don’t see an answer to my question about how disabled people (and which disabled people) have become highly paid executives.

            I myself was very fortunate, in some ways. My own family was able to afford food, clothing, and shelter. I was offered scholarships to multiple colleges, chose an excellent university, and thrived. I’ve been working my entire adult life.

            I’m very aware that most people are not as fortunate. One of my adult kids was born with a serious genetic disorder, and is disabled. She has prospered in her own way–working part-time doing personal care in an Alzheimer’s unit. (When she gets ambitious and tries working more hours, she winds up ill again and has to take some time out from work, but that’s another story.)

            I’m aware that many people don’t have a good work ethic. I’m in favor of rooting out fraud. Part of my  job involves making sure people don’t con me into saying they have a disability when they are not in fact disabled.

            At the same time, I’m very alert to this administration’s efforts to slice away the social safety net (while preserving tax cuts for millionaires). The next time my daughter gets ill, will the services be in place for her, or will they have been taken away?

            If you or anyone in your family is a childless adult, or disabled, or elderly, or at risk of losing a job, or lacks health insurance–you (or they) are at major risk of seeing every service you/they might eventually need ABOLISHED, on the grounds that somebody you despise might have benefited from the services.

          2. Are we home yet? Hello, I am a disabled veteran. Don’t go telling me I despise someone because of their disability that is not what I said. As far as highly paid executives, I know many veterans who own their own SCDVOB’s and are chief executives. Either do your homework or don’t bother arguing the issue any more. It is each individuals choice how they view their future, how they shape it and how they live their life. I guess your choice is to do neither.

      3. i do not sit around and do nothing,, first of all,, I am a mother to two children, second of all, i do my best to keep busy,, and i am not depressed i have accepted what i have been delt and i deal with it.. in none of my posts did i say i was sitting here waiting to die!!!!!!  my point is many people have disablity and dont need it. since when has being overweight become a disablity? or laziness in general.. I am going to school, with no help from the state might i add, and I am a productive member of society. I choose to live life as best i can, so dont assume i sit on my couch and do nothing all day. I bet if you would meet me in person you wouldnt even be able to tell how sick i am, because i take care of myself as best i can. 

        1. I did not mean this in any negative way. It was intended to encourage you and not discourage you. I understand what being disabled is and this is my way of letting others know, yourself included, that a disability is an obstacle, just like other people run into obstacles, you can overcome it and lead a productive life. As long as you keep your fighting spirit and drive. You can go on to achieve greater things than other people because you can overcome obstacles, fight harder for what you want than others and yes there are people who would choose otherwise and that is their problem not yours. It are the people who choose to use the system just to get along, that eventually wind up with problems.   I view disabled folks who have a zest for life as special because they have had to confront their medical demons that healthy people never had to confront. They value life much more and everyday you wake up on this earth is a great day.

      1. Divide and conquer is an old technique used since the Roman days.  You divide the opposition so that you can weaken it and then overcome.  If the recipients if MaineCare are arguing amongst themselves as to who is more eligible to receive it then Governor One Note will have an easier time cutting it.  A unified opposition to Governor One Note’s proposals would have a more effective result than squabbling among the ranks of recipients.  By the way, I don’t think I’ve seen recently a clearer example of philistinism than Governor One Note.

      2. How many times does the Governor have to explain that the elderly and disabled are the ones that we do want to care for. Still the liberals are crying that we want to toss grandma out on the street.
        People see through the liberal twist on everything now.

        1. When has Governor LePage shown the skill needed to fix Maincare and take care of the ‘truely’ disabled and elderly? You can’t do that with an axe and a machette, the prefered tools of this administration.

          1. 10 years ago maybe a scalpel could have been used to fix the system. At this point, I’m perfectly fine with an ax or a machete, and the sooner the better.
            Don’t you worry yourself…the Governor has exactly what it takes to fix the system.  

        2. the single track perspective.  drum roll please!

          -i think we all identify fraud as the people with multiple children who keep spittin’ em out and not taking responsibility.  
          -yet the Gov. wants to solve the problem by indiscriminately eliminating benefits for adults with no children.  that doesn’t address the welfare-mom-fraud problem to me.

          lets go after provider and client fraud.  let’s take kids out of homes ASAP.  parental rights….forget about it.  what about the rights of these kids to have a decent upbringing?

          Isn’t there a mandate in DHHS to keep families together whenever possible?  That’s a mistake.  I think the decision is partly humanitarian and partly cost conscious, but it is neither.   The solution is more foster parents.  I don’t see another way around the ‘cycle of poverty’.

          1. You and I could work this out if it were up to us. You have good ideas that I agree with and I have the a**hole attitude to keep you in check.
            Absolutely the provider fraud should be addressed, but at the same time, we need to pay them for what they provide. I think that in many cases, the state owes them so much money that they will never collect, that they are jamming it in the state’s butt. The way it was explained to me is that the state dictates what they will pay for certain services, so providers are trying to make up for it. And then yes, there is the out right fraud.
            I have no problem at all taking children away from irresponsible parents, especially 15 year old girls.
            I have yet to figure out what 19-20 year old, non-disabled, no children, people are doing on DHHS either. Where did that come from and who authorized that? No wonder everyone is totally PO’d.

          2. we’re both relatively moderate and  have made an effort to meet in the middle.  well done. go us.

            you’re 100% right about the able bodied adults, but the only cases i have seen first hand are those with kids.  multiple kids.

          3. I just don’t understand how some people can work the system. Maybe somehow this is all within the rules, but I don’t see how.
            I have a friend who’s ex fathered a child which he never supported at all, re-married, fathered (4) more children, all while on welfare and doing carpentry work under the table, and dealing pot, got a brand new five bedroom habitat for humanity house built, all while owing thousands in child support, and still soaks up the welfare. (Not done yet) The wife got grants for a free college education, totally on our dime, graduated, and then decided she should be a stay at home mom after we educated her. The wife is an expert at working the system.
            Neither are disabled what so ever. How do they get away with this?
            More. They live in Georgetown, ME and I went to the town website and looked at the taxes. The taxes in the town are broken into land and dwelling. Houses all around them are valued in the $200K to $350K and land the houses are on is very pricey. These people’s land is valued at $0.00 and a five bedroom house is valued at $116,500. Now how can that be? These people are the poster child for trailer park trash, except we built them a house and supported them for most of their lives.
            This is the sh*t that really p*sses me off.

          4. yeah, i don’t know how it happens either.  i’d like to understand better what the qualifications are for enrollment.  

            and again, your example with the scumbag….used kids to get benefits.  i’ll go out on a limb and say 75% of welfare fraud in Maine occurs in households with children.

            i have a client, nice couple with 3 kids of their own.  they are foster parents.  im really inspired by that and think it is the only way to break the cycle.  

            we need a better reporting system so folks can report fraud and see some feedback.  that will require ‘investment’ of staff.  works for me.   

          5. ps.  if nutting was able to ‘overbill’ by $1.6 million there is room for improvement on the provider side.  i think we can agree fraud hurts providers and clients.  

            the positive spin on the Nutting story is that the system worked, he was ‘caught’.  The negative spin is that the state is still owed $1.6 million and this guy is running the very legislative body responsible for making decisions about DHHS.  horrible.  

            all i am asking for is that the anti-fraud vigor be applied evenly.  

          6. So, the punishment for being poor should be to have your kids taken away? Are you a person who hope to get government OUT of people’s lives?

          7. i believe in an adequate social safety nets for everyone.  but i do not believe children should be forced to live in poverty and ignorance to protect parental rights.

          8. If YOU lose your job and have no income, the state should be able to put YOUR kids into foster care when your bank account drops below $_____ (fill in the blank).

          9. adequate safety nets, Liz.  i support unemployment.  I support welfare.  i do not support prolonged, generational welfare.   it’s not good for the recipients.  

          10. How long is “prolonged” help, when there are 4 or 5 people in need of work for every available job? After, say, 1 year of unemployment benefits, should the unemployed person starve?

            What is “generational” welfare? If your father was poor, and received welfare benefits, does that mean YOU should be ineligible for help when you need it?

            In my view, charges of “fraud” and overuse of benefits are being hyped by some Republican politicians–simply as an excuse to get people living near poverty, and people with jobs that don’t pay well, to be angry with people who have even less than they do. It’s a divide-and-conquer technique. If all of us non-millionaires turned our gazes upwards to the ultra-rich, we might notice the massive frauds they’ve been getting away with for generations, and go after THEM instead of each other.

          11. I agree with your last paragraph and if you read any of my other comments I make the case that fraud is part of overall society and that we need not single out the poor;  I also state that we should aggressively go after provider fraud ala Ken Nutting’s ‘honest’ over billing mistake of $1.6 million.

            I spent an extended time on unemployment after being laid off in ’08.  I have received benefits before, I have stated that openly in this forum as well.  i went through a period of confusion, rejection, denial, anger.  i was grieving over the death of my career.   having those benefits available to me for 2 years was enabling.  I needed it and took it, but it also sucked a portion of my will and motivation.  

            your very good question, how long is too long? 

            What I reject, Liz, is that simply money and time solve employability issues.  Folks need to realize we all live in a new time and age and update our skills, create a home biz (like I did with $100 and am now on track to make over $40K next year) or take a risk and move.   the way benefits and welfare are run right now, they ‘punish’ you for working, so the whole system is enabling.  

            But we are talking about apples and oranges.  People who have worked all their lives and find themselves amid a changing economy are apples;  and perfectly able bodied men and women collecting benefits for children they neglect are oranges.  children that come from the latter type homes have very little chance of success.  its a human tragedy.  :(

  6. As long as you have to buy your healthcare from Anthem, you will pay through the nose.  I believe that LePage is in their pocket,  He wants to screw the elderly in this state.

    1. You’ve got it backwards: Democrats created the Anthem monopoly by driving up the cost of selling insurance in this state.

  7. Did they demand a MaineCare crackdown on the handful of doofuses getting a few pennies from the system or on people like Speaker of the House ROBert Nutting who ripped off the system for $1.25 million and walked away scot-free??? 

    1. Career politicians..are the reason we have law over law over ridiculous law. Its almost like letting your doctor prescribe you all the drugs they would like. one for this, one for that, one for the side effect of this drug, and that one.. Get rid of the laws like drugs and we feel much better.

      1. You have that exactly backwards. It takes the frosh a year or two to come up to speed and not trying to push through bad legislation. When the 2 year limit in the Legislature was implemented the number of bills proposed and the number of statutes passed exploded. Look it up yourself if you don’t believe me. 

        To make it even more of a morass the State of Maine (a sovereign “state” created as part of the Missouri Compromise in the light of extreme dissatisfaction with the tax collecting Commonwealth of Massachusetts that did relatively little to protect them from the British, the French, and the Native Americans) supposedly changed (someone please tell me how and when) from a Commonwealth to a “statute state”. The difference being that a statute state Legal Branch and Legislative Branch must follow the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law. In a commonwealth the spirit of the law rules and means looking at what the people who made the law meant when they made it instead of taking the words literally and (mis)applying them to (ir)relevant situations.

        1. Its Your Opinion and not a fact.  Being a frosh as you say, coming up to “speed” is a good excuse to to call a new “lawmaker” an ignorant person.
          There are many new legislators with very good ideas that the old entrenched guard will not understand. Youe simply saying the the freshmen have to get trained by the old stubborn representatives and senators and need to be brainwashed into their thinking. Much of our “bad legislation, has been born from your “senior” legislators. Many to satisfy their own individual agendas. 

  8. If people don’t like John Martin, they can vote him out? John Martin gets elected that’s why he’s still there. When the Gov looses next time, John Martin will not, as he listens to his constituents and so will be in Augusta while the Gov wl be back at Mardens.

    1. eliminate Eagle Lake as one district where he gets the six votes needed to be elected from the 8 that vote….Eagle Lake has cost the state of Maine way too Much…..

        1. I am very fluent in the map of districts…D Eagle Lake has to go. John Martin has been Maine’s most expensive citizen for far too long

          1. Then you should know that John Martin’s district consists of Allagash, Ashland, Eagle Lake, Fort Kent, St. Francis, Wallagrass, Garfield, Nashville, St. John and Winterville – not just Eagle Lake. Your statement was factually incorrect; Eagle Lake is not one district. It is one town in a large district. Again, look at the map. You do know the difference between towns and legislative districts, right?

  9. Why have I not heard one comment about the abuse of the MaineCare system by the health providers? They say that DHHS is understaffed, put those people on welfare & MaineCare to work. Give them actual work experience & a reduced hourly salary.  Get them into the habit of working. Give them confidence in themselves.

  10. “Several residents said that they knew people who was classified as disabled and who were receiving MaineCare benefits while also working on the side. ”

    I guess the copy desk took the night off.

  11. If ER triaged out the bullcrap. They allow people to use the Emergency room for a hang nail. Instead of forcing people to use their primary care physician. If its not an emegency they should refuse to see them. Your child has a diaper rash? That can be seen tomorrow by your pediatrician… Next…. I would dare make a bet that at least 45% of things that ER sees aren’t emergency visits. People on Mainecare have a sense of entitlement, and don’t feel that they should have to make an appointment and wait to be seen. They feel they should be able to just walk in and be taken right in, they are busy people! Lots of side jobs to do. Roofing to get done, ect. Why isn’t ER reporting when someone is hurt by nail gun? I know a full time carpenter on welfare got a nail in himself used his maincare and didn’t loose benefits. How come they don’t catch them getting treatment???

    1. I’ve never read or heard from anybody who said anything like you are saying that wasn’t committing some kind of fraud themselves. If only I had a list of names of the people who make these comments, I could send it to the Fraud Investigation Unit and their productivity would quadruple (that means multiply by four Tz).

      1. I used to work for years with those who did. I also know some lifetime professionals as my dad was first selectman and they would come to him weekly for town assistance. Being raised watching a broken system gave me great insight. I also now work with women in domestic violence situations, as well as men. I see them on disability throwing hammers. It drives me crazy as I am there to help, not to report. Not to say I haven’t reported. I also report all physical violence and neglect, ect. I am a mandated reported of abuse.

        I could be sour, because there were times in college when I needed a hand up, I didn’t qualify. I wasn’t great at sports, I didn’t get a scholarship. My grades were average, I didn’t get any scholarships for that. When I went for any assistance they had to include my parents income even though they weren’t supporting me. I sturuggled, can you say oodles of noodles??? Mac and cheese from a box. I couldn’t even afford a caferteria pass.

        Then with my second child she was born a miracle child. I went for fuel assistance that year as I wasn’t working we missed out because we made too much money. My husband of course was working, we qualified for nothing and the girl told us to get divorced!!!

        I’m sorry, the only place that I find at all to cut corners is find out what the newest tax deduction is of the year. One year we replaced windows and did our roof another year. This does help on our income taxes. I bought a new washer, dryer and dishwasher one year only to learn just because they had the tag didn’t mean they qualified! UGH! What a disaster that year was. We only can do what we can do to save on our income taxes, we work, they take it right from us before we see it.

  12. Once again, some people are slamming MaineCare based on hearsay and assumptions.

    They’ve seen someone who gets MaineCare chopping wood, which supposedly means they’re not disabled. But many people with severe and disabling mental illnesses can chop wood for half an hour. Even some people with serious physical illnesses such as a brain tumor can chop a bit of wood (though they may suffer for it, with a back injury growing worse for example). Chopping some wood for half an hour doesn’t mean a person can handle working all day.

    They’re aware that someone who gets MaineCare actually has a job, and they assume that’s a case of fraud. The real fraud is that some jobs pay so little that people remain desperately poor while working full time. The companies got tax breaks to move in, but don’t pay a living wage.

    Some people are outraged that a pregnant 15-year-old lives with her parents “so she can get MaineCare.” Where do they expect her to live? HOW do they expect her to live? A child pregnant at that age is a victim of statutory rape. Would they advocate that her parents (and society) turn her out into the street as punishment?

    1. BS…again. A knocked up 15 year old is not a victim of statutory rape if the one who knocked her up is under age as well. If she thinks that she is responsible enough for sex, then she should be responsible enough to use birth control. If not, then yes, she is her parents responsibility. Shame on her parents for not teaching her some self respect and responsibility. 
      And how much more assistance should she get when she has her second or third child by the time she turns of age?
      It’s going to be a tough couple years for some to actually learn to accept responsibility for their actions, but eventually they will, once they see that the free ride is over. 

      1. You really are advocating for a pregnant teenager NOT having health care.

        You actually seem to believe that if a 14 year old or 15 year old is told that she will  not have access to healthcare if they become pregnant, she won’t get pregnant.

          1. Yet we all pay, either directly or indirectly. If a pregnant teenager doesn’t get good prenatal care, she and her child will be at risk of having major health problems. You’d be amazed how much a month or so in the Newborn Intensive Care Unit (NICU) can cost.  The care must be provided by the hospital (at least until Republicans pass bills requiring that uninsured people die in the street). Your insurance rate and/or taxes will rise to pay for this.

            If her child doesn’t get decent nutrition, the child won’t learn in school and will be that much less likely to have a productive career one day. That’s one less person who will be buying the goods or services that the business YOU or your children work for produces, making it more likely that you (or your kids) will get laid off.

          2. My insurance rate, not my tax rate. I realize you’re not a big fan of capitalism, but there is a difference. I don’t have to get health insurance, remember? For now, America is still America.

            My money is my money, not yours – and I don’t want my tax dollars spent trying to fix the world, or anyone else’s problems. If you do, go ahead and donate to a charity that does that. There are plenty of do-gooders in the world. I shouldn’t be forced to subsidize them.

            Passing bills that remove requirements of private businesses to hand out service for free? Sounds good to me. Move this country farther away from socialism.

        1. 14-15 year olds are still their parent’s responsibility. Just because they get knocked up doesn’t instantly make them an adult. If you haven’t taught your kid any manners or responsibility by the time they reach that age, then you take care of them AND their new little bundle of joy, because it’s your fault.
          But then that would mean that the parent and the child would have to be responsible people….that will never work…..

          1. The earlier Commenter (I can’t get the website to scroll back that far; not sure whether or not it was you) seemed to be advocating for a pregnant teenager NOT having health care. Is that something you agree with? Would you want to make sure they had no access to MaineCare, even though the parents didn’t have insurance to cover them?

          2. How about YOU pay for her health care, since you care so much. Then I won’t have to. The state using my money to pay for others’ problems isn’t just taxation, it’s theft.

      2. You trunk monkeys aren’t as slick as you think. We know who you are. And we know the patterns you use to create Astroturf on the Internet Social Media. We just haven’t figured out how to pass a law against you yet.

        1. Good luck with that, because you are severely outnumbered. You liberals aren’t going to be able to hold on to the laws that you’ve already passed. We are changing them for you. 

    2. Problem 1- to many young people living off the system and no incentive to get a job or get a life. Problem 2-To many people on TANF for years. Federal rules say up to 5 years unless the state over rides the rule. I am aware of one person who has been on TANF 16 years. We are guardians of her son. She works under the table, she never paid child support, we have reported her numerous times, but DHHS says she does not have to pay because she is on TANF and we would have to prove why she has to pay. Problem 3-to many providers making to much profit off the system Problem 4- mismanagement of the system Problem 5 – DHHS if managed well could identify fraud and abuse. It is not up to citizens to report fraud and abuse and if you do they do nothing about it because they are not interested in doing their job or by definition do not know what their job is or how to do it.

      1. The crucial problem is lack of jobs. There are 4 or 5 people in need of jobs for every open job.

        If you want fraud to be identified, then you need to advocate for the state to hire more DHHS workers. It’s a time-intensive process.

        1. You are correct there is a lack of jobs, at this point. Hopefully as the economy improves there will be jobs available. If DHHS is managed well that would include additional workers to oversee the system. 

        2. wrong… more dhhs workers equals seeing more cases per day. DHHS  has hired more workers, look at any of their locations. Look at the monstrosity in Caribou compared to what they had before…  remember the job of ddhs is to get you help.. not refuse you. Whats needed a DHHS POLICE and PAID TO stand at the door and SAY NO.

          1. You are apparently saying that DHHS should be required to refuse services to people who  meet criteria for services.

            There has been an increase in social services because more and more and more Mainers keep losing their jobs and tumbling into desperate poverty.

          2. ANYone with half a brain can meet criteria if free help is what they are after. It is a full time job for many to stay on the system. Do you really think is is hard to get state assistance??  You must be joking

          3. If people meet criteria, they should receive services. It should not be made extra-hard for people who meet criteria for services, to receive the services.

            If you want to tighten the criteria, that’s different.

            Just please be aware that the people who meet criteria for services are not universally lazy, shiftless, etc. Many people have very real and desperate needs.

            Terrible things do happen to good people. That means that terrible things could also happen to you and/or to people you love.

            If you manage to get rid of the social safety  net on the grounds that only unworthy people are being helped, when your own time of need comes the services will not be there for you. This is called cutting off your own nose to spite someone else’s face.

          4.  Tighten the criteria….Nobody including the gov wants to remove the safety net for those who truly are in need. Yet there are those and you read them here, who want to put a spin on Maincare cuts (which is actually a cleaning up), as if the world will come to an end. That’s the key word “truly” needy. Look at it like politicians.. it should be for a short term…we’ll say the same for some on maincare,  to get them back on their feet. Some need it forever…hence the truly needy… But you have those who like career politicians stay on the system as the ROI is very good. It has become a safety home and not a net for many.

          5. I don’t see anything in the proposed changes that would differentiate people who are truly in need from those who are not. They’re simply looking to get rid of services for 65,000 people.

          6. hello IB.  i think there is a lot of agreement in what you say.  aid for those in true need, personal responsibility for those who are able.  

            everyone i talk to is in total agreement with that, both right and left.

            so what’s the divide? 

            serious question, no sarcasm.

            i agree with your previous comments in that there is something amiss with a system which allows all this abuse in the first place.  let’s not forget provider fraud.

            i think its about the children.  we all associate fraud with the ‘fat trailer chick with 10 kids’ .  yet the governor thinks we should indiscriminately take benefits away from truly needy people with no kids.  that doesn’t make sense to me.

            isn’t there a mandate for DHHS to keep kids in the home whenever possible?  i think that is partly a humanitarian decision and partly a cost decision.  and if so, it is the wrong decision.  we need more foster parents.

          7. Terrible things do happen to good people and sadly it is those people who DO NOT get help. DHHS insists you don’t own a home, a decent car, or have money of any kind before they will help you. So for you to say anyone who just happened to have some bad luck can get help is wrong. Again, it is the career welfare recieptants that we are talking about because the guy who just lost his job and still owns his home and car can’t qualify.

          8. Most of us are just a few paychecks away from pretty dire financial straits. The guy who just lost his job–how many months before he can’t make a payment on his home (or his rent, or his car, or any credit cards he might have)?  How much longer after that will he still have a home and a vehicle?

            Let’s say he can hang on for 6 months. There are 4 or 5 people looking for work for every available job, so it could take him even longer than that to find a job. Maybe years.

            Say it’s now 6 months after he lost his job, and he qualifies for help. Does that mean that he is now a “career welfare recipient”?  

          9. The only reason there has been an increase in social services is because society has stopped saying it isn’t acceptable and the criteria is so open ended that anyone that walks in there can get it.

        3. First of all, maybe DHHS should hire some of these deadbeats to investigate fraud. I’m sure they would be excellent at it since they have been on it themselves for so long. They would also know who is doing it since they probably hung out together. By doing this you are no longer having 4-5 people for one job.

          Also, there may be lack of jobs but how about creating your own jobs? I’ve done that for over 20 years to be able to live here in Maine. I may not get vacations, a new car, or the latest gadgets but I am creative enough to make enough money to take care of myself and family. If we don’t have the money for something, we don’t get it! We don’t use credit cards or excuses either.

          On top of  creating my own job, I too have Fibro, 2 torn discs which I can never have surgery on because they are torn the wrong way  and I still come up with a way to make money! Instead of fighting for 5 – 7 or more years to get disability, I take care of myself. It’s called “PICK YOURSELF UP BY THE BOOTSTRAPS AND DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO”. 

          And while I am working and find myself in pain, I take a pain killer, even if it is simply an asprin and continue working. I pay my taxes every year and for me, that includes the “employers” share since I work for myself. Just imagine what I could do with that “employers share” if I didn’t have to take care of someone else. If you take away their free money they will scramble to take care of themselves, which is what they should be doing in the first place.

          Regarding children having children, their parents should make it clear to them it is unacceptable, society should make it clear that it is unacceptable, and the schools should be teaching them it is unacceptable. Why? Because it ISN’T!

      2. It is absolutely the duty of a citizen to report fraud and abuse the same as they would any other crime.And look at the last big federal welfare reform-done by a D-Clinton in 1995-6.

        1. On WAGM tonight,they gave the AG’s office number and said to contact them for fraud.Not sure how much that will help but it is there.

      3. its also job security for case worker at DHHS . the more clients they are responsible for the more their job is needed

      4. If you have personal and verifiable documentation to back that up and it’s not followed up,go higher.Go to your legislator,a supervisor or another office-or fax it straight to the gov.I hear he loves anonymous faxes.

        1. The last time I sent it to the governor , he kicked it over to support enforcement, they investigated, they came back with…she’s on TANF…you have to appeal to get her to pay.
          Why should we have to appeal a court order. Something is wrong and it’s the system… and if you think about this…you contact one agency, they refer you to another, that one refers you to the next…you go in a circle and wind up back where you started. It’s all a game. Not a good one.

    3. I agree Liz.  I think that there might be a number of disabled folks chopping wood because they cannot afford any other means to heat their homes.  After all, the home heating assistance budget was cut and if you’re receiving benefits, you’re income level poverty or below.

  13. Is calling an Ambulance becuase your one year old vomited twice- or you havent felt good for a day or so- or going to the ER with “chest pains” so you can get a taxi ride home. How about being 21 and just not wanting to work yet having a nice aprtment an all your bills paid. WHO DO YOU THINK PAYS FOR THIS-I cant beleive there are people who think there nothing wrong with  a system that does this.
    Bet the average taxpayer or person who has a large insurance deductible doesnt.
    This stupid stuff happens MANY MANY times daily all over our state-

    1. Well said.  As one of those people with a large insurance deductible that NEVER gets met, I agree.  I’m getting sick of paying for others who can pay for themselves just as well as I can!  

      1. you thing that your insurance is bad now it will get worse when the rates sky rocket  when insurance companys start charging more for the old an the sick an the people that have ongoing problems like the person that has to take 7 or more pills a day

    2. Please report these abuses as soon as possible to the authorities.  Provide names and details.  Responsible citizens like you can make a difference.

      1. and who are you going to report it to?? a dhhs case worker? the one who put them on the system in the first place so they could justify keeping his or her dhhs job?  Ya right!!! You need a system which rewards removing fraud.

          1. Really? How does one do this?Without ramifications of these young men coming back at you because you cut their oxy supply off?

          2. like i do when my kids whine.  just ignore it.  they usually respond with an 8 hour ‘won’t look at me strike’ and cave when dinner is ready.

    3. The State should have a DHHS agent working at the ER’s then. How many times would it take them to save enough tax money to earn their pay ??????
        Go Paul Go

    4. And, a person in their 30’s, who can come and go, drive, visit, shop, etc, etc, qualify for someone to come in their house once a week and do their housework!!!!  The abuses are apauling because I’ve personally seen them.

      1. OK, now you’re in the twilight zone. The person would have to be blind or homebound. And if they’re homebound they shouldn’t be driving.

  14. I say sell off the county to Roxann Q.   Then she can appoint John Martin King for Life. Good place for both of them. Really want good is that place anyway. Just welfare and potatos. If that woman on the tape is any indercation of the wellcome poeple get when you visit. Forget it I wont go there. 

  15. No mention that a large chunk of medical fraud involves the “provider” end — double billing, fictitious patients,  “code inflation” of routine treatment into high-end charges, referrals to unnecessary specialists and tests . . .

    But that involves cracking down on businesses.

    1. I am reminded of the time 2years after my Grams death when we recieved notice medicare had paid a nursing home over a 1,000 for services provided to her and dated a year after her death. I (yes I am disabled and on mainecare) resently recieved a letter from Augusta saying Tamc was billing the state a certain amount for lab work and surgical procedure done in april. I responded by telling them I was nowhere near tamc or it offices on or around or before thet date and i definatly didnt have sugery then. I returned the form but I bet they paid Tamc any way.

  16. Here we go again, the elderly, the ill, blah, blah, blah.  The governor has clarified many time that these cuts were coming to those who were childless and able to work, but choose not to.  Why would anyone want to support these deadbeats, liberal or conservative??

    1. nobody wants to support deadbeats.  i’m pretty socially liberal, and we’re in total agreement on that.

      addressing the able bodied adult problem may require more staff for investigation and more money to take children away from homes that are abusing the system.  imagine the tea party outrage when we say ‘we need to invest in DHHS’.  i think we set ourselves up for failure when we try to please everyone.

      i think that the real problem is the children.  where do you put them when you take trailer trash mom and dad off welfare?   i believe the root of the problem is the DHHS mandate to keep kids in the home whenever possible.  

      more good, hard working families are going to have to stand up as foster parents.  (the burden never escapes the working class).

      BUT LET’S NOT FORGET PROVIDER FRAUD.  freakin’ Nutting took the state for $1.6 million !  
      *what other white collar fraud is occurring in they system? 
      *how did he get away with that in the first place?  
      *Has that administrative procedure been addressed?  

  17. “A lot of people have talked about fraud,” he said. “But you can’t catch
    people until you are willing to tell the state about it. Catching people
    defrauding the system starts with you. We can’t just go and investigate
    every person. We don’t have the staff. It starts with you.””  

    That statement is just a feel good response. 

    DHHS doesn’t do anything when you report people…they make you who report them feel like the criminal.  Woman who get pregnant again and again…I am pretty sure you will find the State considers them unemployable until the child reaches a certain age…which mean instant MaineCare and all the benefits.  Get rid of that part of the law.  How about getting a job after you get knocked up….I did not get a free ride when I had kids. I had to get out there and work.  If you have a cell phone, cable, new car, living with mommy, a boyfriend, others who are getting MaineCare in the same household you should get no money from the State.  Augusta has a  lot to do with this problem, by not doing anything for years with these people, why do you think we are talking about it now.

  18. If John Martin wants to know the reason why businesses can’t afford to offer health insurance for their employees, he need only look in the mirror. It’s his policies for the past fourty years that have made it hard to afford health insurance and do business in this state.

  19. Fraud in a gov “program” no way!! Come on these “programs” all of them are nothing but a game. Those that learn to play the game get the prize. Go along the shores of Maine and look at those digging clams. Most all of them are on the books of one or most cases more then one program. They work get paid cash making 100 to 300 plus a day. Many of them have nice new cars in yet get taxpayer funded medical care heating oil food stamps and so on. I am not saying all diggers are doing this but there is a good percentage that are. This is but one group. There are lobster men and there stern men scrapers and such and all those who have jobs but only work x hours a week to “remain qualified” for there “programs” but hey why work and earn when you just have to fill out a form and it all gets handed to you. 

    1. Many of those you mention are paid in cash, and if they work for someone else, as in “stern men” no taxes are taken out, and they don’t even file any taxes. You are correct, this is a huge area of abuse, and I can’t wait for the IRS to catch up with these people. Then they will think that their welfare abuse is a walk in the park.

      1. I agree.Or young men that put everything they own,Bikes,cars trucks,etc,in their mother or other families name and then claim “back injury” and sell their meds.Heck,Waldo county is rife with those..Lets have a 1-800 number you can call.

          1. I have no faith in any of that government BS. Federal or State.
            I have reported a stern man, including ss# to the IRS, who gets paid in cash or check with no taxes taken out, and doesn’t even file taxes, and not a single thing has happened. I thought sure that the IRS would be all over that.

    2. Those that are abusing the system (and it can be proven) should be reported. I do know of several contractors that do not report their income and take advantage of food stamps and mainecare. Contractors that report very little income per year, a couple of thousand. Then you have the guys selling used furniture and they never make a profit year after year, decade after decade. Some fraud would be easy to catch.

  20. If the US didn’t spend twice as much on healthcare, both per capita and as a percentage of GNP, as the “socialist” Europeans do, for no better statistical result, this problem might go away . . .

  21. What a shame that LePage who wanted these “listening” meetings decides after one, where he was disrespectful and insulting, that he would not attend any more.  There is something truly wrong with LePage.  We can only hope that the Legislature handles these financial problems better than LePage.  I still think that LePage is just trying to justify what he believes rather than what needs to be done.

  22. Mainecare isn’t the only program rife with abuse.  There was an article in the police beat of the little local weekly newspaper about two women who were reported to be dumping bottles of soda onto the ground.  When the police officer arrived they told him they had used food stamps to purchase $37 worth of soda and were dumping it so they could return the empty bottles and use that money to buy gas for their car!  There was nothing the officer could do about it because they weren’t breaking the law.  This is just one example of how people game the system.  Speaking of gaming the system, I think there should be a people’s referendum to put a stop to people like John Martin who get around term limits by bouncing back and forth between serving in the Maine House and Senate.  Term limits should mean just that- you serve x number of terms, in either house, and that’s it.  I don’t know how we can expect people to change their behavior when our elected officials are just as guilty of circumventing the law.  I think it’s disgraceful.

  23. a big part of the budget problem is that Maine Care  pays for  things most private insurance companies won’t, unlimited visits to the chiropractor as long as your Doctor gives you a referral, and most Dr’s will, I know of a woman who is going to pre-natal swimming classes, on Maine Care’s dime (0r our dime) and this is not her first child, what private insurance company is going to pay for something like that? None, but the welfare system will. Her husband has insurance available through his work but they “can’t afford it” but apparently they can afford another child, on our dime

  24. guess what providers are starting to dump mainecare clients . most providers wont take mainecare any more. i got dumped by Orono Family Medicine today. EMMC healthcare

  25. As a health professional in a Critical Access facility, I see what I believe to be a great deal of Mainecare abuse.  I see young, healthy individuals of both genders, some of them several times in the period of a month, that do not work, do not care to work but are capable of working.  Since they are not on a tight “work schedule,” it amazes me when they come into the ER for complaints that are not medical emergencies, can wait to be seen by a primary care provider – but want  immediate care.

    At the same time, I also see handicapped individuals that do NOT come in as frequently, that are on Mainecare and need care on an urgent basis.  Thank goodness they DO have Mainecare available – because they have nothing else to fall back on nor the ability to access other care.  And I also see elderly patients that are on Mainecare that come in for care – and need a great deal more evaluation and receive far more medications – they also have no other options for care.

    And now we have a governor that wants to make huge cuts in Mainecare.  But he wants to do so with blanket cuts, seemingly not caring that there are NO alternatives for the handicapped and elderly patients that will be affected by his actions.  But, BY GOLLY FULL STEAM AHEAD FOR BUSINESS!  – I would remind the governor, during this Christmas season, of what Jacob Marley in Charles Dickens’ “A Christmas Carol” said: “THE WELFARE OF MAN SHOULD BE YOUR BUSINESS.”  Afterall, why else is someone elected to office but for the welfare of others?

  26. “We have to fight 15-year-old girls who are pregnant and living with their parents for coverage,”        The only thing they should be offered is a free abortion.

  27. AS I posted above Channel 8(WAGM)stated to contact the AG’s office for fraud.Hope that helps.I know how much the chase sucks.A good friend of mine had his ID stolen by a co worker.(I know,not the same issue)after 3 plus years it is still not cleaned up-and he knows the name of the thief,which most in that situation don’t.Good luck and keep trying.

  28. And if one of you tin foil prescribing, conspiracy enabling wing-nuts responds to the post I swear to God I will  hunt you down.

  29. Do you see any liberal comment that deviates from the following:

    For more than 35 years Dr. Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr. has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

    “Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”

    A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”

    Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

    1.  creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
    2.  satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
    3.  augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
    4.  rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

    “The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”

  30. I just wanted to address the comment in the article in which an attendee pointed out that her disabled neighbor doesn’t look disabled.

    I am disabled. Someone who doesn’t know me or see me often would tell you I do not “look” disabled; except on the days I do. I am talking about the days I cannot walk without a brace and a crutch,(or walk at all) or the days I find my hands useless. I have severe joint degeneration from arthitis, but to the casual observer, on one of my good days, I probably seem pretty hale and hearty. And those are the days when you are more likely to see me.

    I also suffer from crushing panic disorder, which my doc tells me probably stems from the years of pain, some serious childhood trauma and a genetic pre-disposition. That malady is absolutely invisible, unless you come across me collapsed and incoherent in an aisle at Kmart. 

    I, like many other disabled people try to work from time to time if something easy and temporary comes along, because, let’s face it, you cannot survive on SSD benefits. Now when I do work I report it and pay any required taxes on it. That will benefit me in the long run because it will raise my disability payment down the road. I will say though that if someone gives me $10-$20 for baby-sitting once in a great while I am not apt to report. The paperwork is a killer.

    I am just asking that those who are quick to judge people from what they see to please take the time to learn about your neighbor. Unless you are with them when they fill out their tax forms you have no way to know what they claim. Please don’t assume.

    As for the Governor’s ideas about MaineCare….I would suggest tar and feathers. There are much more productive ways to manage a shortfall than to arbitrarily slash an entire group of people from the program. We are all individuals and all of those cases should be managed/decided on an individual basis. (I am not living in ME at this time. I live in TX, and even with my very low income and pretty serious problems I am not eligible for Medicaid here. So, please don’t try the old standard “You are the problem.” flames that are so often tossed lightly about here.)    

    BTW, I believe the original statement had to do with the gentleman chopping wood. My question is this: if he did not chop the wood, who would. Anyone? I often have to do things that will leave me laid up for days because I have no choice. That is the price of living in a modern society.

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