BANGOR, Maine — More than 50 people gathered at noon Friday outside the Margaret Chase Smith Federal Building to protest a U.S. Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to make unlimited contributions to the campaigns of candidates who run for president, the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives.
Nine of them wore black robes similar to the ones worn by the U.S. Supreme Court justices and other judges. Five of the costumed protesters also wore green sashes with corporate logos pinned to them. Those wearing sashes represented justices who voted in the majority in a 2010 Supreme Court decision that allowed corporations and labor unions to make unlimited donations to federal political campaigns.
Ann Roberts of Gouldsboro had logos from Exxon, Wal-Mart, Anthem, AIG, McDonald’s and Citibank. She represented Chief Justice John Roberts, who is no relation.
“I feel like corporations are taking over running our government and our democracy is disappearing,” she said. “I want people to take back their power. We are a democracy for the people, by the people, not for corporations by corporations.”
“Corporations can’t speak,” Sunny Hughes of Bangor said outside the federal building on Harlow Street in Bangor. “They aren’t people, but they do have money, and with enough money they can speak loudest and longest and drown out the voices of citizens.”
Hughes, who teaches journalism at the University of Maine, said corporations have spent $27 million so far in the current presidential election cycle.
The event was organized by Occupy groups in Bangor, Ellsworth and Blue Hill. A similar protest was held at the same time outside the Edward T. Gignoux Federal Courthouse in Portland. About three dozen protesters with OccupyMaine turned out to chant and hold signs, The Associated Press reported.
The Maine protests were part of a national effort in more than 130 cities, located in 46 states, to protest the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision two years ago, Starr Gilmartin of Trenton said as the Bangor protest got under way.
Move to Amend, a grass-roots coalition that helped organize the nationwide protests, said earlier this week that its purpose was to kick off petition drives to gain support for a constitutional amendment that would overturn Citizens United v. the Federal Election Commission, the 2010 court ruling that allowed private groups to spend unlimited amounts on federal political campaigns with few restrictions. Although petitions weren’t circulated at the rally, information directing people to a website where they can be signed were distributed.
By a 6-2 vote Wednesday night, the Portland City Council passed a resolution supporting a constitutional amendment abolishing “corporate personhood.”
Robert Shetterly, a Brooksville artist and activist known for his portrait series “Americans Who Tell the Truth,” spoke Friday at the Bangor rally. He said the dream Americans should strive for is not the rags to riches story of Horatio Alger but the one described by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King in 1963.
“What is so important and powerful about the Occupy movement is that it demands the dream that Dr. King envisioned,” Shetterly said. “It understands what [Henry David] Thoreau meant when he said, ‘The law will never make men free, it is men who have got to make the law free.’”
“We have submitted for so long to corporate domination, to courts promulgating a system of justice appropriate for oligarchy, not democracy, that it’s almost embarrassing to have to come into the streets to insist on the basic ideals we thought we all believed in. But it’s the only way.
“There is the power of wealth, and then there is the power of people. There is the power of the Supreme Court giving unlimited anonymous, free speech to billionaires, and then there is the power of us here today.”
Shetterly spoke in favor of a constitutional amendment to strip corporations of personhood and free speech rights. He also advocated for publicly funded elections, free air time for candidates, automatic registration to vote when a citizen turns 18, and making Election Day a national holiday.



A more accurate headline for this story, much like the “Occupy” stories might otherwise read: “1/8th of 1% of Bangor’s population gathered in an inept attempt at seeking relevance today”
Your power as a voter no longer exists or has any meaning. In the realm of setting policy, you have become a nobody. Along with the rest of us. You just don’t know it yet. Too bad for all of us you bring so little consciousness to the real world.
Maybe when public education is eliminated your attention will have been gotten. Or the disappearance of the EPA. Or OSHA. Or that food becomes unaffordable because crops die in droughts because of climate change. Or interest rates rise and the debt on the government gets paid by you and not the 1%. Or you have a catastrophic health care issue and, even with insurance, the insurance company refuses to pay and there is no regulator to help you fight the insurance bastards. Or the insurance company just says, “Go die”. Maybe then the relevance will occur to you.
While you’re here why don’t you address the questions of Unions and special interest influence?
Where have you been with your protest when it comes to the voice their millions of dollars shouts with?
I have stock in corporations and they are my voice, so to say they are not people is obviously not correct. They are not those of you who do not own stock that is for sure but those of us with a life and investments of any kind deserve a voice just as loud as green peace or any other of your groups.
You say you have a voice in the company because you have stock in that company ?? i was watching the evening news about 3 years ago an all the stock holders were told you can not ask any questions if you do you will be escorted out one person tried an got escorted out . So were was his voice ??
So you have nothing but anecdotal evidence? Your side is always the one saying that doesn’t count. I own stock and I am part of a corporation the same as you are part of the special interest groups and Unions you use to amplify your political voice. Shut down my voice only if you also shut down all others.
No the CEO of the company told the stock holders at there anual meeting that an im not a member of any thing special an you that really happen
There is nothing anecdotal about an article in the wall street journal, or is that a communist mouthpiece. Bwahahahaha.
Let’s say you find out that Exxon-Mobil is dumping 100 million into a campaign to re-elect President Obama. You own 10 shares of their stock, but some multi billionair from Asia likes Obama and he owns 100,000 stocks of Exxon-Mobil. Will your voice be heard in the board room?
How is that example any different than the one of poor Union members when their own dues is used to support a president they do not want elected?
Take away the Union and special interest money and I have no problem with taking away the corporaation money.
Well, for one, nobody owns more “share” of a union than another basedpurely on $$. Which by the way may or may not have actually been earned legitimately.
But actually I agree, lets get the union money out of it too! Lets get ALL the money out of it!!!
It’s not any different. I don’t want anyone running political campaigns that aren’t brave enough to put their name to them.
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How is that example any different than the one of poor Union members when their own dues is used to support a president they do not want elected? Take away the Union and special interest money and I have no problem with taking away the corporaation money. Link to comment
Your breath smells like corp. mickie d’s burger
So you are told what to think, yes? You do not have any control over what ‘your’ companies do. Not unless you own a controlling amount of shares. But if ‘your’ companies are making you money you probably are not concerned with how they are doing that.
Do you mean how do I feel about free enterprise?
I love it. It has succeeded repeatedly while your socialist and communist ideals have failed in alost every form it has been tried in. We as people vote on corporate actions the same way we as a people vote on politics. If we don’t like what they do we don’t buy their product and they fail. Bank of America was a perfect example. They wanted to charge an extra 5 dollars and the voice of the people stopped them.
Your system wants more government control. As another example TSA has gone overboard with their powers and the American people have objected with no action taken. Guantanamo is a stain on our lives and the people object and it remains. The Fed has murdered t least two American citezans without even the benefit of a sham trial and there is no outcry from the far left supporters of this President (whoops, that one is a different issue). The voice of the people works with corportions because we spend our money as our vote on their actions. Don’t like Coke? Buy Pepsi.
I would submit that we have more control over corporate actions today than we do our own politicians.
Why do you wish to silence the voice of the people?
Free enterprise has failed numerous times as well. There’s more to the success or failure of a nation than their economic system. And there’s more to the success or failure of an economic system than the nations that practice it.
Someof the wealthiest nations in the world parctice something very close to socialism, while some of the poorest operate under totally unregulated free enterprise.
Many say our nation and its system are on the decline, I’m sure you’ve said the same in regards to crime, morals, etc. The one nation in the world singled out for unrestrained growth and vigor is purportedly communist.
If it is China you are alluding to, the only success that nation has experineced to date has been using capitalist practices. While we are attempting to give more control to our government they are releasing more control to their people.
It’s very simple, money is not speech. If it were democracy is over. Corporations are not people. If they were Democracy is through.No sane socialist that I talk to wants to destroy capitalism. It was not socialists who bribed the ratings agencies to give bogus ratings to junk investments, it was wall street banks. It was not socialists who took government bailout money and paid themselves absurdly huge bonuses. It was wall street bankers. It was not socialists who deliberately sold houses and arranged mortgages they knew the mortgagee was incapable of paying. It was wall street bankers. It was not union thugs who foreclosed on victims caught over their heads by unscrupulous lenders. It was wall street bankers. Those of us who study history learned over 100 years ago that unregulated capitalism is a sure path to economic destruction. You might want to read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair, and find there is nothing new under the sun.
You’re fooling yourself if you think you have ANY voice as a shareholder. When was the last time they consulted you for advice?
And what if you’re not a shareholder, but indvertently purchase their products – say for instance you don’t like CBS or “big banks” – particularly how they use their money in politics – but the local company where you buytoilet paper takes out TV ads on the local NBC affiliate and holds an account at local Bank of America Branch. Your money goes ‘through’ that local comapny, ‘through’ the local institutions, and ends up at the parent corporations of is now at both of those places. Now, they are using your money to lobby for causes you don’t support.
This wouldn’t be that big of a concern, until they decide they want to spend more on lobbying, so to do so they increase their fees to the local affiliates, who increase their fees to local businesses, who increase their fees to you. YOU AND I are paying for this ridiculous amount of money being spent for special interests! I don’t know about you, but I would rather see my money being spent on bricks & mortar than lobbying.
Wow! you wasted all of that typing on your rhetoric and never once addressed the Union or Special Interest issue I brought up?
Avoidance?
I don’t address the unions because I don’t see a problem big enough to bother with. I invested 50 hours of my time and not a few dollars along with dozens of others on a one hour protest action because I believe that large amount of money are destroying our democracy. If you have other issues I suggest you donate your time and money to work on them. If you make a good enough case I may even help you, But don’tr tell me what I should do with my own time and money. As far as what you deserve, you deserve one vote just like everyone else.
So you want to keep your voice but I should not keep mine. Thank god we have a Supreme Court to protect me from the things you don’t see since they work for you and against me.
Union thuggs have used their money, muscle and influence for years but somehow you don’t see that as a problem. Amazing.
No, and stop lying about what I said. what I said, is what I said, there is not need for you to change it. Your use of the word thugs every time you use the word union marks you as a propaganda tool since every neutral thinking person knows that not all union members are thugs, and only propaganda tools always say union thugs when they mean union members.
I said thugs one time jimmie and considering Union actions since they have existed the term fits. Your a emotional little thing aren’t you!
Since you consistently mis-represent what I say, and since you consistently avoid responding to what I say, and since you consistently inject off subject matter into the conversation to derail it in order to spout unsupported propaganda points having nothing to do with the subject at hand, I believe I will spent my limited time with others who exhibit a desire to get things done rather than fight for the sake of fighting.
LOL yeah run jimmie run.
Amen, insurance and medical America funded
Obama. And my insurance will not pay a single
penny for bloodwork, follow up care for any
existing issues. If our dr says one wrong word
we leave. Even “didn’t you have your tonsils
out 50 years ago? We are pretty much done
with dr’s we have found cures with herbs, that
dr ‘s won’t tell you. Some which grow on your lawn.
I wholeheartedly agree , but lets not forget that its not just obama. Every president in recent history has been elected by corporate interests. GW Bush had his oil companies (which pushed us to seize mideast oil), Clinton had his offshoring comapnies (which puished for NAFTA), etc. Neither party is immune. The whole damn barrel of apples is rotten.
You are correct, I do believe thats the way it’s always been.
A barrel of rotten apples you say, well lets make vinegar and win.
or better yet can these bad people
“My vote has no meaning” and “I have no power”?! Dude, the people who have power are the ones who enable themselves and position themselves to have power if they want it. Power is a relative term also, some people’s power is laughable to others, while seeming supreme to a different group. And as far as any one person’s vote having no meaning… tell that to all the people who have voted for unlikely candidates who were told they had no chance but who ran successful grass-roots campaigns and were elected by like-minded people who agreed with their policy vision. Get real.
Get over yourself. I bet you look in the mirror and say to yourself…..”I’m powerful”….. Money doesn’t constitute power, nor does status. Power is indeed relative, but it relates to those who respect you to lead them. It relates to your successes and failures, and how you react to both. It relates to legitimacy.
Grass can only grow where the soil isn’t toxic.
Lol what a nice little comrad. Sure to make commisar one day. I wish obama would get more than th 27 tzars he has. This philosophy always works.
Ah, but it made the news. Did you make the news today?
You think that “making the news” in the Bangor Deadly Snooze is something to feel proud of….. yawn.. Based on the types of liberal drivel and social justice crap that the BDN so often puts on a pedestal, I am quite proud of the fact that I did not “make the news” in their world of news.
So you are officially on the record as being against justice?
Does their protest extend to corporations that are nonprofit? Corporations like MoveOn.org, all unions, especially public employee unions and dozens of liberal special interest groups? I think not. Typical hypocrisy.
How about Unions? Do they have a protest planned against the use of Union dues in political campaigns when union members don’t even want their money spent that way?
I took the liberty of going to the Engaged Zen Foundation’s website where I found this:
“The Engaged Zen Foundation which is a 501 (c)(3) corporation founded in 1994 originally to foster contemplative meditative practice in prisons, develop monastic alternative sentencing/post release programs and deal with the complete circle of human rights imperatives.”
Is Rush engaging in political speech as a corporation? Shouldn’t Mr. Shetterley be protesting against the “reverend?”
Do corporations really have the same rights as real people until the State of Texas executions one ?
I believe Romney has been accused of executing several.
That was just bloody murder, if they were really persons.
Maybe they should executed Enron …
How about Halliburton and/or Horizon Drilling for killing 11 offshore workers and assaulting the Gulf of Mexico ?
(So if corporations are people with rights, what about oceans, forests, and such ? )
How about the Maine Christian Civic League, and all of the other non profit conservative think tanks? You ought not to speak of hypocrisy, because you are certainly demonstrating a bit of your own. Who do you think started and used these funding sources?
Even Teddy Roosevelt tried to stop big money from entering into campaign finance through his trust busting reform. And on and on it goes……
You are a bit confused here. hasacluemaine could only be a hypocrite if he supported this Idea .So with that being absent your use of the word is incorrect. Now that we cleared that up, now explain why it is ok for Unions and other liberal entities to lobby with Millions/Billions of dollars but not Corporations?
Uh no. He as well as you think that the democratic party out spends the Republicans. There is absolutely no way that happens. It’s a known fact, if it weren’t for campaign finance reforms, every legislator in the land would be a republican, bought and paid for by the Fanny Mae’s and the Exxon Mobil’s.
I was referring to unions……try to keep up.
I’ll give you an example: say you and I were running against each other for a state legislative seat. I’m the Dem and you are the Rep.
Neither of us use the public option. You go to the businesses and tell them that you are in favor of giving business’s a tax break. I go to the same business and tell them that they need to understand that tax breaks need to be spread evenly.
Who get the business’s campaign money? And who has to have a hundred people donate 10 bucks a piece to even come close to what you received from one donation?
You are wrong..again. take a look and then get back to us…
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A
Oh I’m wrong?……using your reference, take a peak. Notice the dollar amounts. One day, you may actually be right.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php?ql3
Are you really that dense? My link shows a side by side comparison of the monies raised and donated to the two parties from 1989 to today.These are numbers that cant be denied or spun. This you cant argue, so you move along and grasp at straws and try to spin..Your link shows the contributions thus far ,2012. Obama is unchallenged in his Party,so the big money hasn’t started rolling in yet.,Take Obama’s 1 billion he is projected to spend($750 million last election)and line it up with what the GOP will spend(about 300mill spent by McCain last election), how do they /will they compare?Now where will /did Obama’s money come from?
This is easy for even the slow kids in class to digest. Last election Obama raised almost the same amount of money from Pac’s,Unions,and Corporations alone than the entire Amount of all contributions raised by MacCain.
P.s Obama raised more money for his reelection in 2011 than all of the GOP candidates combined, would you like to see the breakdown on from where that money came?
In some cases, lack-of-think(ing) tanks …
The unions were thrown into the deal by the Supreme Court as a bone. Does anyone actually believe that unions can compete dollar for dollar with corporate money???
Corpoate money is stock owner money. Those who control the most votes in a corporation can control how they spend their money. The question is, ‘who owns control of those stocks’? Are they Americans? Let’s say Exxon-Mobile has 10% of their stock owned by a foreign multi billionair. That 10% can be used to vote a lot of influence on how Exxon spends their money on US campaigns.
How many US unions have controlling interests from foreign countries?
And I suppose George soros and his buddies are pennyless billionairs?
I want the people I elect to represent me. To take my concerns into consideration, not the concerns of the Walmarts of the world. They seem to do just fine on their own. Did you know that a Kansas University study found that for every dollar spent on lobbying corporations receive a $220 return.
It doesn’t matter if it’s George Soros or the Koch brothers, I don’t want any coroporations or unions running campaigns for anyone or any issue without being up front as to who is funding these campaigns.
If the USSC has declared these corporations to be people then let them stand up as people. The way it stands now, you don’t have to be identified.
I dont believe that the USSC declared Corporations as people. They did enforce the 1st amendement as written that congress could enact no law that would abridge free speach.
Unfortunatly,
It seems to me that any amendment that abridges free speech in any form would be unconstitutional, regardless if they where people or a buisness entity.
So if you find out that a radical from Iran has controlling interest in a US corporation and wants that corporation to back an agenda or particular politician, you have no problem with that?
Since when does speech = $$?
Doesn’t the idea of free speech imply that we all have an equal voice, that one voice should not be louder than others?
Don’t you think that a corporation that can blanket your community with print, radio & television ads suddenly has a little more influence o nhte dialog than the average joe?
And I suppose that ALEC, Koch Bros., et al. are pennyless? LOL.
Absolutely. Get the big money out of national politics. All of it.
Republicans are trying to cram right to Work laws down our throats under the guise of an indidviduals right not to have money withdrawn and donated to political campaigns against his free will.
Under that theory Investors should be able to withhold investment money from going to political campaigns as well.
In both cases the free speech has been removed from the Individual and given to the collective
.
In both cases the law that allows this facilitates an abridgment of the individuals right to free speech, contrary to the first amendment.
Mine does.
I really don’t understand why anyone would not be on board with this.
I understand why I wouldn’t be aboard with this nonsense, Keenov how do you feel about unions dues being used for only Democratic candidates running for office? Corporations are made of people just like unions are
Ummmmm, the Supreme Court included unions in this unlimited funding debacle. Corporations are not ‘made’ of people. People in corporations are subject to the corporation. Do you have a vote when your salary review comes up? A union is a democratic member organization. One person, one vote. I am a member of groups that are not democratic. I have no vote. I do not get to decide what the organizations does. And, if I donate money to my groups I do not get to tell them what they should do with it, or how they should run their organization. We are talking about democratic principles here. If corporations have something to offer the consumer it will thrive. If not, the consumer will bury it. It does not need politicians to stack the deck in its favor so that workers and consumers and taxpayers are subsidizing the wealth that is skimmed off the top.
Why do my union dues go to causes and candidate I do not support?
Exactly why you should be out there supporting, along side these poeple.
We all need to wake up and realize its not You vs. Me, its Us vs. Them. Call it big govt, big corps, big unions, etc. They all only succeed because we’re too busy fighting with one another about our diets or stance on abortion than on how our government is being reshaped to take the power away from the individual.
Was this a crime free day from the occupiers or did one of their own commit another felony while protesting against free speech?
I went down there today but left fairly quickly. I just am so depressed about the NDAA that says any American the president suspects of ‘terrorism’ (which can be almost anything the System doesn’t like – like Free Speech) can be arrested and detained indefinitely without trial. What good is pushing back against the monied interests regarding elections when our basic, basic right is gone…..we need to push back against this. But hardly anyone has even made a peep about it. I’m disgusted with America and the control the government has taken since 9/11. We’ve lost our rights people. The elections are just a show.
I am not sure that elections are “just a show”, but you are 100% correct otherwise. While people are being distracted by stuff like this basic freedoms are being ceded to the government.
Yes they can assassinate you without due process. (anwar al alwaki) Yes they can, if you make an incendiary remark in this blog today, look at your financial records and investigate you without having to ever tell you. (Patriot Act Part2 Obama version)
It crosses party lines. Its not a Democrat or Republican thing … its about control of every aspect of your life…
Oh, it absolutely crosses ‘party’ lines. We have one party. The Party of the Oligarchy. Neither party represents me anymore. It’s why I’m so discouraged….I think we had this conversation before didn’t we Cheesecake? I keep trying to feel better. That’s why I went there today, to try and raise my voice, but I am just too far gone in sadness.
Yes we did Narth.
Keep your head up friend.
Thank you.
Oh, boy, I am agreeing with you 100% here. Bet you never thought you would here that from me.
yeah pretty much. The thing is, you folks focus on the stuff that can sort itself out and ignore the real damage done to the system by our own elected officials and give them more power.
Best comment of the day. Where are the lefty regarding this issue?
Where are the lefties? I think they are MIA. It’s a great question. I don’t know. That’s one reason I’m feeling defeated. Nobody is pushing back. There is a lot going on with the election stuff but nothing I’m seeing on this. If anyone out there knows of any movement against this law, please let me know. That’s the only issue I think I can work for now. Energy going towards any other issue is wasted energy. I’d rather hibernate and just read books during my limited time on our beautiful planet. Just spend as much time in nature as possible. That’s what is feeling right to me. America is lost.
Things are moving so fast. Drones are now being used in the US for civil arrests. They probably are up above our biggest cities right now and how would we, the citizenry, ever know? Our civil liberties are gone. It’s all dreadful. Our police are militarized and weopanized and moneyized. The Supremes are a joke and leading the way to Fascism. Obama signs off on this awfulness and says “My administration will never detain an American indefinitely”. Well, since we have presidents and not dictators, what is stopping the next president from detaining someone indefinitely. Moving way, way fast. But incrementally. Right in front of our eyes. And no one is pushing back.
How are we any different than the Soviet Union in the Cold War?
All we need is to construct the Gulags.
I think Halliburton has the contract! ….. I do remember during the Bush years there was a big conspiracy floating around about a $3.5 million contract for Halliburton to build ‘detainment’ camps for ICE and to be used in ‘national emergencies’. I remember seeing the actual press release. I’ve never been able to find anything legitimate about it ever again. I think Alex Jones is always pushing that they’re out there, fully staffed, just waiting for all of us dissidents. Each state supposedly has one. Ours is supposed to be in Limestome. Makes for a good conspiracy. But the way things are going, I wouldn’t be at all surprised.
I don’t buy why a oil services company would be involved in something like that. I think a rumor like that is just a distraction. Especially when they dumped the construction portion of their business years ago. Besides $3.5 million is really a pretty small amount of money. I burn though that every three years or so and could never hope to accomplish something like that in 50 states.
“I don’t buy why a oil services company would be involved in something like that …”
It is right up their mission statement, now.
They are a service company whose former employee wrote the plan, the regulations, for the privatized militarily when he served as SEC-DEF under Bush the Elder.He went home to Texas as CEO of Halliburton during the Clinton years and reorganized the company to take advantage of the regulations that he had written. So when “W” asked him to vet a VP running mate, he won, himself. He used his position then helped start a couple of wars from his undisclosed location, AND then his company serviced the military and America. Even Clive Cussler couldn’t make up story like that, so it’s all true. Check the facts for yourself .
They have long divested themselves of all those parts of the business. 5 years or more. The only part they maintained was supporting the forces with energy.
We did not win the wars either.
What is the connection ?
How do you know when you have won a war? Have an idea?
I had a lot of those same feeling, thoughts. Was telling everyone, “I don’t ‘live’ here anymore” and then Occupy came along. So shall we go Occupy Snowe and Collins Bangor offices? What are state’s rights when it comes to this law? Can a state say, not here you won’t without due process?
No need to occupy. Call and make an appointment for a set amount of time on a pre arranged topic. Ask for an audience with the senator first. If that is not possible within your time frame, then request a meet with the next in command and so forth.
I can tell you for a fact that while the politicos poo poo occupy in public, in private they are running scared. You should add your voice. It will make a difference.
Speaking for my self, I have been to both senators offices before and after passage.
Oh, there will be some pushing back. Don’t get depressed. Get angry. Join your local Occupy group and make some plans for event to protest and address this. And, work to remove all of our legislators who voted in favor of this violation of our due process rights. It is shameful in a country that calls itself free. You can bet if the Grinch is elected he will use it to remove all who oppose him. He has already stated he will arrest all liberal judges. Pretty bold statement to make, but then again maybe not. I mean now we have a law that says the president can call anyone a terrorist.
When the Constitution waving righties get scared, they, ironically, suspend said Constitution.
Please don’t give up. We need your help. Help us get money out of politics and the rest will be much easier. I would have been glad to talk to you while you were there, ( I was justice Clarence Thomas)
What would Barack do. He would have to trade in the bus for an electric volt.
I don’t get it, nor do I see the relevance…
But I think its clear that Obama is on board with the big corporate money. Which means that people on both sides of the aisle should be against all the lobbying malarchy thats beeing going on for the past several decades.
the sign should read( i will never get a job now)
These people will have life long job security– in the public sector, of course. And they wouldn’t have it any other way.
Now you’re just acting jealous.
It’s would be more difficult for a large corporation to own a member of Congress who could only serve two 4 year terms, House or Seanate. TERM LIMITS!
The voting public can prevent candidates from serving longer by not voting for them.
Now that is working really well, isn’t it?
That’s the point, the corporate money gives the to the member of Congress that’s been granting favors for 20 years such an advatage that they rarely get voted out.
If you left corporate money and instituted term limits, you still have corporate money. Whose to say it takes 20 years for a congressman to be bought and paid for. Also, term limits force out those few congressmen who haven’t sold out as well as the bad apples, leaving us back where we started, with corporate money being the problem.
When looking at top political donors (pacs, unions, corporations, etc), the overwhelming color is ACTUALLY BLUE: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
This data does not include money to Super PAC’s newly authorized by Citizen’s United, which is the basis for the protest.
I am curious, which court decisions actually use the verbal construct “personhood”?
Just got myself educated a little about that. And, you are right. They tiptoed around that, but the effect is that of personhood. There is lots of tiptoeing going on in legislative areas. Just read some of the ALEC model bills. Why you’d think it is good for you, when it is really better for someone else’s bottom line. Just like the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. The middle class was not the winner there. The 1% was.
The Supreme Court’s anti-constitution ruling was in the case of Citizens United v FEC.
Legal corporate persons is the term.
The ruling was with the the full rights of real people to self-expression, even if that means expressing their pursuit of corporate happiness by buying elections.
Oddly, elections in which they can’t register to vote, because they are NOT citizens nor persons, rather, as you properly put it, legal constructs originally created, “chartered” by the “crown ” ( the Government ) to serve a specific purpose.
Hey!
Reversible Mittens Romney tells us “corporations are people too, my friend.”
You are being mean to peoples.
Of course Reversible Mittens Romney also caused many corporations to cease to exist so he’s a serial killer. But that’s different.
Just like unions are made up of peoples corporations are too Tyke.
Romney did not say it that way. If he had said corporations are made up of people – yeah that would be true.
But he didn’t. he said corporation ARE people.
Of course he may have reversed that later. He is famous for flippin and floppin.
Union members can vote. People in corporations, unless they are worker owned, do not vote on corporate matters. I have never once been asked to vote on some decision my employer is about to make.
If you own stock you can. Your employer is putting food on your table, fuel in your car. If you don’t like how things are running start your own business.
When was the last time you actually voted on a corporation’s lobbying activities? Come on!
This is absurd. No employer has ever put food on my table, or fuel in my car. My employers paid a mutually agreed upon wage which in all cases was much lower than the actual value of the wealth my work created, and took the excess for the company. All of my employers have made huge profits on the value of my work. I have no problem with this arrangement, but the notion that I am any employers vassel is absurd.
Looks like I’ll be skipping any classes taught by a Sunny Hughes.
Close minded? Then you really aren’t interested in an education are you?
I’m sure you were a great supporter of Professor TerRy Hughes?
I agree with the protestors on this point, but it will never happen unless we do what I’ve believed in all along; eliminate ALL campaign donations. If someone wants to run for office, let them do it on their own dime. Then you’ll see people running who actually WANT to serve the citizenry.
Well, how about the public dime? Level the playing field.
The back story to this story is the recent best selling book by James Douglass called
JFK and the Unspeakable which details how American Corporations funded the assassination of President Kennedy with the help of the FBI see http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakable-Why-Died-Matters/dp/1570757550
Maine artist Robert Shetterly has penned a masterful essay about corporations called
When does Drowning Mean Drowning see
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/29/2183
Here is an excerpt
We are now up to our necks in a culture of programmed complicity. Just as the Hutus in Rwanda made sure that all the men killed someone so all would be complicit, the corporate culture here teaches consumption rather than citizenship, isolation rather than community, teaches that predatory capitalism is democracy. If there is an answer, it must be climbing out together, giving a hand up to the weakest and most vulnerable, reinforcing our virtues, denying the culture that preaches making virtue of vice, heroism of spectacular, unsustainable greed.
In other news, MSfreeh pulls out his tooth so that the government agents can’t spy on him via the tooth mic anymore. He then proceeds to buy into every far-fetched conspiracy ever known in an attempt at feeling important and somehow privy to special information that most mere mortals can hardly comprehend. Ah, to know everything that most do not. Don’t look now, the NSA is implanting digital thoughts into your head so that you’ll think aliens were behind the assassination of Biggie Smalls in an effort to topple Mickey Mouse’s chocolate chip factory on Mars. It’s so true!
I’m glad it was the ‘Supreme Court’, who said its alright if our leaders are bought and sold. For something this important, we need the best damn Liars (Lawyers), around. We all know our Government, at all levels, is corrupt, So its past time for ‘We The People’, to make a few decisions, and the sooner the better. Those Lawyers in there now do not give a damn about our Constitution, and do not follow it. That also needs to change. We must understand that those who have bestowed all that power, and benefits unto themselves, will not change, they need to be pushed out.
Kansas U. study found that for every dollar spent on lobbying there is a $220 dollar return. Term limits here we come.
Return to whom?
Macroeconomics 101: Money is a measure of wealth, which is a measure of energy (both kinetic and potential), which cannot be created or destroyed, only shifted fropm one place to another.
So who is getting this wealth and where is it coming from? Hmmmmm?
One more time for the class..Corporate “PersonHood” Is the legal concept that allows them to be sued in many cases. One of those “cant have it both ways” kind of situations for you folks.
Well, sounds like that was a bad solution then, one that needs to be revisited and refined. You don’t stick with a terrible idea just because it was put in place once before…
I don’t really care how much money corporations want to give to a candidate, as long as everything is transparent. If people don’t like corporations propping up certain people, they will just vote for someone else.
The point is, “some one else” is not going to magically appear, without the OK of the corporations who run the process
Blatant disregard for the constitution just to quiet your political opposition. The money is well spent, without it many truths would go untold.
Nice piece. Represents well scope of this particular Occupy demand. Hope that satisfied those who have been asking what the demands are. More are on the way.
first thing the occupuds have done that makes sence to me.
Speaking as supreme court justice Clarence Thomas who I played at the Bangor rally I am glad to hear you say that.
Great job and more to come as the weather gets better. We will prevail, the Greedy One Percenters are outnumbered and we will get their money out.
The election process is corrupt and controlled entirely by big business. Today the peoples vote does not count and an honest man will never make it to the White House!
Here’s the thing: Every cent of that corporate money comes indirectly from you & me – if you contribute to the economy at all, which I’m pretty sure each of us does. The money doesn’t just magically appear, somebody is puchasing goods & services for it.
For example: you hire a plumber, he buys TV ads at a local station, the local station pays the big national network for programming – three steps and your dollars are in the pockets of a mega-corporation. If the network wants more money so they can lobby harder, they just up their fees to the local stations, who then raise their advertising rates, so then the plumber has to charge you more the next time he comes out. YOU are paying for this corporate lobbying.
At least with Non-profits you can choose to donate to them or not. However, I do think they should be beholden to the same laws.
The other point I would like to add is that we could fix an awful lot of the problems in this country if we took that money from the political process (where, lets face it, roughly half of it goes to hte losing side anyway and therefore is in a sense wasted) and applied it to our failing schools, crumbling infrastructure, and health care problems.
If corporations are people then the big tobacco corps. are mass murderers. Charges?