AUGUSTA, Maine — A proposed bill would enable Mainers who believe a Medicaid provider or recipient is defrauding the program to sue them to recover money for the state and get a cash award from the court for filing the lawsuit.

“Other states have this plus the federal government has it,” said Rep. Jeffery Gifford, R-Lincoln, sponsor of the bill. “It’s a bill I felt was needed to be put in.”

He said allowing a citizen to take legal action to stop fraud has a long history. He said the measure would be one more tool to stop fraud in the huge Medicaid program.

In Maine, the Medicaid program is called MaineCare. The federal government pays for roughly two-thirds of the program and a third is paid by the state.

“This gives the citizens of the state of Maine a right to file against a fraudulent claim, if they know of it, or they can go to the attorney general and say I believe there are people doing this fraudulently, and turn it over to the attorney general but if the attorney general decides not to pursuit it, the individual party can do it,” Gifford said.

He said it could be expensive to successfully pursue a lawsuit that proves fraud and not just a mistake so it is appropriate that a private individual be able to not only recover costs of a lawsuit but also give a judge the ability to reward the individual for their action.

Gifford said the bill seeks to establish safeguards to make sure the measure is not abused. He is confident the measure will be reworked if needed by the Legislature’s Judiciary Committee to make sure there are adequate safeguards against misuse of the proposal.

“I am sure the proper checks and balances will be in there,” he said.

The measure is drawing support from the Maine Equal Justice Partners, a low-income advocacy group. Robyn Merrill said the measure will provide a useful tool to go after provider fraud, which she says is where there are significant savings to be found.

“We think this is a good bill,” she said. “It goes after fraud in the Medicaid system, and we know there is fraud.”

Merrill, a policy analyst with the group, said there are ways to improve the bill as submitted. For example she said the bill is limited to false claims in the Medicaid program and there are other programs that could benefit from the ability of citizens being able to file a lawsuit to stop fraud.

“There are also some tweaks that could be done to the language that would allow the state to take advantage of a 10 percent bonus allowed in federal law,” she said.

Merrill said the federal government has a similar measure that allows a citizen to file a lawsuit when they believe there is fraud being committed.

The proposal also includes provisions to protect whistle-blowers in government agencies and private companies who use the law to file lawsuits against people or providers they believe are defrauding the Medicaid system. For example, a provider cannot fire the person making the claim against them and if the claim is found true, the employee can get twice any back wages plus interest and additional compensation if found warranted by the court.

“There is also a piece that discourages frivolous claims,” she said. “People can be held accountable if they bring claims they know are not true.”

Gifford said he introduced the legislation because he has heard from constituents for years about this person or that provider cheating the Medicaid system.

“Over the years I have heard numerous people, while I have been campaigning and what not pull you aside and say I know that this person is doing this and this person is doing that,” he said.

Dan Billings, Gov. Paul LePage’s chief legal counsel, said the administration has not taken a position on the legislation. He did write in an email that the administration “is open to the idea.”

In 2007, a similar bill was killed by the Legislature’s Human Services Committee. This measure has been referred to the Legislature’s Judiciary Committee, but a public hearing has not yet been scheduled.

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  1. What a boneheaded plan.  Go after the handful of poor people who are trying to scam the system with a lawsuit – they won’t be able to pay anything if the State wins, we’ll spend a bunch of lawyer and court time on litigation and have nothing to show for it.   Why don’t you stick to solving actual problems and stop pushing the National Republican agenda?

  2. I have a few I could turn in.  I wonder if the costs involved would outweigh what we’re paying them in benefits?

  3. Seems to me that we already have a lot controls to address fraud. And I would say they are working — even Mr LePage has to agree that fraud in MaineCare and Unemployment is minimal — I would be concerned about people atempting to carry out vendettas against their neighbors — think you have witnessed fraud report it

    And Mr Gifford if your constituents are telling you about fraud I am of the opinion that you have an obligation to report it

  4. Nutting honey! What will continue to happen is we will turn in our neighbor. blame the poor for their poverty

    1.  In anti bellum America everybody found it convenient to blame slavery on the slave.  Nothing ever changes.

      1.  The taxpayers provide a free K-12 education and financial assistance to the needy for post secondary education to every child.  If anyone who is not disabled is being treated like a slave they have no one to blame but themselves.  I am tired of supporting people who choose to be poor.

        1.  I have a feeling everything goes right over your head except your pristine sense of entitlement and  moral superiority.  What do you usually get for your birthday, a new mirror?

  5. This guy is as soft as a grape.  Does he suppose he is going to balance the budget, or make all tea bags into Dog the bounty hunter?  Either way like Bob and Ray used to say, “Hang by your thumbs.”

  6. More witch hunting…

    They complain about the number of people getting assistance yet they never complain that so many people get Mainecare because almost no jobs offer medical coverage.

    They complain about the number of people on food stamps yet they never complain that so many people are working for such low wages and the cost of living is so high in comparison that people can’t even feed their family when working full time.

    No one WANTS to need help.  The only solution is good paying jobs that provide actual benefits.  Worry about fixing THAT problem and all the other issues will be resolved as a result.

    1. It’s Not just “the poor.”  The Big catch are some Doctors, clinics, “service” providers, stores, landlords, etc.
      Open your eyes, Lots of targets. They ALL need to be Stopped.

      1. Agreed…..section 8 housing, and how many medical professionals have come out to say how cuts to Mainecare would be bad………sure, they want somebody to pay them too(and that somebody is the taxpayer).

    2. I beg to differ.  There are plenty of people out there who want help, are proud of it as it allows them to sit home.  I am certainly not saying all, but please don’t try to sell us on the idea of all of these Mainecare recipients would get off it if they could.

      Good paying jobs that pay benefits certainly is part of the solution.  Stopping giving assistance far above the federal level is as well.  We can’t afford it.

      The problem is I look at fraud as somebody getting something they should not get. Unfortunately, the state gives aid to all kinds of people who, in my mind, shouldn’t be getting it. THAT is government sanctioned fraud in my opinion.

    3. The
      r’s don’t want to do that. They just want to keep diverting peoples attention
      from the fact that they aren’t creating jobs. They certainly wouldn’t want to
      increase the minimum wage , or do anything to get everyone to pay his fair
      share of taxes. Keep the rich happy by continually attacking the poor and those
      who are working but still need assistance.can anyone see a libel case in some of these?

    4. you’re so right. This is the GOP’s tactic to try to put attention on the poor NOT their own stealing

      1.  If theft is what you’re looking for look no farther than the Dems in Maine. 

        The MTA scandal -> Former Dem legiscritter. 

        The MSHA scandal -> Foremr Dem legiscritter.

        No bid sale of state liquor business -> Well connected Dem insider.

        “missing” hundreds of millions at DHHS -> Dem administration.

    5.  The taxpayers provide free K-12 education for every child, then they provide financial assistance for post secondary education.  If anyone is working for low wages and is not disabled then they have only themselves to blame for not taking advantage of the opportunity provided to them. 

      If you can’t find a job in Maine that suits you then move somewhere that your talents are valued. I’m tired of supporting layabouts who choose to be poor.

      1. That’s the reason so many people leave the state, to find a job at a livable wage. If the job situation gets any worse, there won’t be any one left except the older residents,  and people so poor they can’t afford to move.

        1. If you’re waiting for a job to magically appear then no one can help you.  If you majored in in a field that was fun but has no demand then no one can help you.  The taxpayers of Maine paid upwards of $125,000 to put you through high school and provided additional financial support for post secondary education.  If you chose to waste that opportunity then that’s on you.

          1. I am not waiting for the job. I am pointing out how your response to the prevalence of low wage jobs (mostly with no health care benefits) is to blame the low wage worker. Clearly you have zero empathy with anyone who has worked a low wage job. Upward mobility is less assured now than ever before, and for that you put the onus entirely on those who work low paying jobs. Never mind the 8% unemployment, if everyone just went to college and got a 4.0 in engineering, there wouldn’t be any poor people. Get real. 

          2. Then move somewhere that isn’t a Dem wasteland like Maine and find a job.  When I graduated during the Carter recession unemployment was also 8% and inflation was in the neighborhood of 15%. I moved to Oregon, Missouri, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania in order to find work.  When the economy finally turned around I settled back here in Maine.  Whining about a lack of jobs in Maine isn’t going to find you work.

  7. Best idea I’ve heard yet! I hope it passes, I know 2 people right now I’m gonna hang! Alot of money to be saved by doing this.

      1. I’ve tried twice so far, Mrs. Morse on the end of the 800 number gave me the impression I was inconviencing her. I even suggested her letting me show her some proof from Facebook, and she said we can’t do that, but it’s amazing how bigger crimes and murders have been solved using FB as an investigative tool. If they’re going to offer some sort of reward, you can bet I will get Mr. Lepage’s attention.

        1. It’s Working folks, Honest people turning in the Fraudsters helps reduce costs
          and Save the funds for those that Truly need it.

          Report Fraud in Maine
          Allegations of fraud or attempted fraud involving funds, including Food Stamps,
          administered by the Department of Health and Human Services should be sent to:
          Fraud, Investigation and Recovery
          11 State House Station
          Whitten Road
          Augusta, Maine 04333-0011

          Phone numbers for DHHS Fraud office are:
          1-207-287-2409 and 1-800-442-6003
          Further questions and suspicions can also be submitted by e-mail.
          Fraud.Dhhs@maine.gov

          For Additional Fraud, Attempted or Suspected,
          Contact the Office of the Attorney General
          Phone: 207-626-8800
          Mailing Address:
          Office of the Attorney General
          6 State House Station
          Augusta, ME 04333

          http://www.maine.gov/ag/contact.html

          Do All three, Phone, E-mail and send a Letter.
          Follow-up in 30 days with a Certified letter if no response.
          Send a letter Directly to the Governor’s Office, that should get their attention.
          Keep a written log of actions and attempts to notify.
          Hold them Responsible!

    1. You are aware, aren’t you, that you would be responsible for hiring your own attorney, paying the court filing fees, paying to subpoena witnesses, paying for service of process on the person you are accusing of fraud, paying for service of process on potential witnesses, paying for discovery, paying for a court reporter in the discovery phase, etc., etc. And should you lose, you would most likely have to reimburse the party you sued for all legal expenses. On top of that, you could find yourself at the end of a defamation and invasion of privacy suit.

    2. Jeeez, just like communist Russia or nazi Germany!Let me know how that works out for you! If you have the $$$$$$$$$ go for it.

  8. All I needed to read was the first paragraph.

     Does the idea of putting poor people in a position of making money from whistle blowing not smack of sheer stu-pid-ity?  It’s not the poor’s fault, who knows what anyone would do in the right situation. Why stick a carrot in someone’s face.

     Just what we need more civil suits.

  9. Sure, I could pursue legal action for reporting cases that the state decides to not pursue. But, really, how many big screen t.v.’s, snow mobiles, four wheelers, campers, mobile homes, and motor cycles do I need since I would never see actual cash from suing receipients.

  10. If this passes, I wonder how many lawyers will be employed this way. There are already lawyers out there willing to help you sue your neighbor if you slip on the ice in his driveway. Those ambulance chasers just found a bunch of people that might be willing to give them cash up front to help sue a supposed cheater.

  11. It is such a short lifetime.  There has already been the Spanish Inquisition.  Witch hunts.  McCarthy.  I don’t think it would be extreme to say that perhaps the goal of this legislation is to incite violence amongst people who would get involved, hence, a sanctioned ‘dispersal’ of those who are not wealthy.

  12. Oh delightful. And exactly WHO will be footing the bill (ultimately) for these lawsuits? US.

    And exactly WHO will be reaping the benefits of those lawsuits? Law Suits who practically charge $50 per 5 minute increment of time now.

    “There is also a piece that discourages frivolous claims,” she said. “People can be held accountable if they bring claims they know are not true.”

    I can see the commercials now: “Have you been accused of wrongfully accusing someone of defrauding the welfare system?”  Call 1-800-PAY-MEEE now.

    Preposterous.  There’s already a fraud line in place.  Paying people to squeal will just bring out the money-grubbing dirtbags.

    1.  As another poster has already noted: The lady at the other end of the “800” number was not interested in taking his complaint. If that is the extent of the “remedy” under current rules, then, certainly, something additional is required. It is not okay to cheat. It is not okay to steal. What I am hearing here, sotto voce,  from some posters, is that people who are “poor” somehow have the right to steal a little. With safeguards in place to penalize ‘spiteful’ complaints, and with the state having the option to pursue (or not) any cases, as deemed fit, I see no problem with this legislation. I’m not interested in trying to get the stolen money back, as another poster has observed, there probably won’t be any with the average welfare cheat. However, if this legislation can help to stem the hemorrhage of public funds to fraudsters, it is useful and, if the state can catch a bigger fish or two (crooked providers), it might really pay off. Hey, that means more money for those folks as really need it, right?

      1. How about helping the lady at the end of the 800 number find a new occupation? She is obviously only there for the paycheck. And what do you wanna bet she makes more than $12 an hour.

        1.  That sounds worthwhile. One of the problems of bureaucracy is that those in the system get paid the same regardless, whether or not they exert themselves on your behalf. If we fire a few laggards ‘pour encourager les autres’, it might work wonders on some attitudes!

      2. I am all for kicking the abusers of the system to the curb.

        That said, the questions for me would be: “Will it cost more in the long run, or is it just a ‘feel-good by doing something’ kind of thing that will cost more on the other end?

        Will people  who are desperate for cash (and there seem to be a lot of them now) find a new occupation in turning others in (regardless of guilt or no guilt)?

  13. I’ve tried twice so far, Mrs. Morse on the end of the 800 number gave me the impression I was inconviencing her. I even suggested her letting me show her some proof from Facebook, and she said we can’t do that, but it’s amazing how bigger crimes and murders have been solved using FB as an investigative tool. If they’re going to offer some reward of such, you bet I will get Mr. Lepage’s attention.

  14. Mrs Rose Hooper, still claiming for food for her self her deceased husband and her son (not living with her).  So what?  The state I am sure has better things to do.

    1. Yeah….what’s the state going get from her. Probably doesn’t have a pot to…  so what if these folks are turned in.  You aren’t going to get anything out of them  but the state can stop them from abusing the system by CUTTING THEM OFF.  People like her…and there must be a lot like this example should be made to pay!

  15. This is such a waste of resources. How many people will be accused only to be found innocent? Or even if they are guilty, a be found innocent due to a lack of evidence to prove otherwise?  We, as taxpayers, will be funding these investigations and lawsuits. Even if someone is found guilty, what are the chances they will pay any of the money back? Sounds like a black hole to throw more tax dollars into and get nothing back in return. 

  16. Wait, wait, wait.  Allowing regular citizens – demonstrably not the best-informed of persons – arbitrarily to initiate lengthy and costly legal proceedings against their neighbors because they think something shady might be going on?  Oh, by all means, let’s have some of that.  I’m sure it wouldn’t be abused in any way by vengeful exes, feuding relatives, village crazies, and generally spiteful cranks of all description.  We already have quite enough ways in which people with a passion for punitive litigation can get their freak on in this state, thanks.

  17. Complain, complain, complain that all they do. Why don’t he clean they Warden service in Augusta first you have 32 people down in office jobs making 78k to 120k per year for what. There is alot of wardens they could put in the field. But Lepage wanted clean up Maine Care stop the people from going to the ER with hang nail. Make them pay 100 dollar co pay like the rest of do. Take it out of there EBT card once a month to control it.

      1. I know I pay 100% because I do not have insurance its really a nice deal and I refuse to pay $720 per month.So I go without to pay my taxes so people can still keep there maine care rolling into the ER   Dr. Office visits 5 or 6 time a month at no charge. Sounds like the old Dick Stacey Adds. No Charge!!!!!

  18. Ever stand in line at Walgreens while the patron in front of you stands for 20 minutes, receives their re-fill for back pain, then pleads to come back next day to pay the $3. co-pay (forgot cash), and just sign for the transaction.
    Oh, then they leave and hop up into a $18k truck hauling 2 snowmobiles?
    I always wondered if the Doc also prescribed 5hrs. on a snowmobile.
    (What are those little pills worth on the street?)

  19. More work for the lawyers litigating a non issue until it becomes a national crisis. Now who is going to chase the ambulances?

  20. Too bad this bill wasn’t a law a few years ago…I would have GLADLY sued current Speaker of the House ROBert Nutting (R) for stealing $1.25 million dollars via MaineCare fraud…

  21. The state is charged with doing its own research on welfare abuse and enforcement of laws, or are they recommending vigilantes do their  job for them now?

  22. we already have laws in this state where we should be able to recoup from these folks………….the state just wants to ignore people like Mr Nutting. If we pass ANOTHER law………….then we should add legislative committees and polititions to the list of people that we can sue to recoup inappropriate spending/stealing.

  23. How about a bill to stop crazy spending that the legislature and feds allow. Medical offices just got 20 THOUSAND per provider to change to electronic medical records…………like they all couldn’t afford to do that for nothing?????????????

  24.  Why focus all of the attention on the small potatoes?  The big money is in going after wealthy tax cheats who abuse the system to take deductions they are not eligible for.  For example:  Treasurer Poliquin and his “woodlot”.

  25. The last I knew, ANYONE stealing from the system, provider or recipient, is stealing from both the taxpayers that support the system and the recipients that are REALLY in need. Anything that helps limit fraud and doesn’t cost us a bunch of money in exchange is good as I see it. Fraud is fraud, it’s not a Democrat or Republican thing. It affects us all one way or the other.

  26. Really?They want us to fight over crumbs while they hoard hundreds of thousands of dollars? Really????  I say we go on a campaign to NOT report our neighbors.As much as it might annoy us to see Ambah and Crystal down the street getting Tanf to pay for their boyfriend’s ciggys,it is NOTHING compared to what these politicians are getting way with..Nothing!!!

  27. I’m not sure what I think of this bill.  As a social worker, I believe there is a need to comabt fraud in the system.  Not sure if this is the way to do it or not.  I would be interested to know more specifics about the bill.

  28. Does this mean we can go back and go after the Speaker Of The House Nutting for his fraud against the State?

  29. I don’t think the problem is fraud. The problem is that the system offers too many benefits to too many people. People who could work, and would work more if they had too, are not “given the incentive” to work and care for themselves.

  30. This should be an interesting if it makes it to
    law. The real poor at the whim of another being sued…for what? If they
    certainly were not meeting eligibility to begin with for the program, they soon
    would. On the other hand…a disgruntled individual could sue out of
    spite…and it be determined in proceedings the complainant’s motive, and the
    accusations unfounded. Who gets to pay back the accused who did not warrant
    such accusations to begin with, and whose already eligible for services is hurt
    further financially, dignity, and reputation? Maine insulates well the accuser against counterclaims
    founded or unfounded, but in this case I can see a false accuser losing big
    time. This is setting the people up to police their peers; vigilantism and
    retribution as history has proven.

  31. This bill would certainly cut down on all those tiresome people that “know”  most people getting aid are cheating.  They can sue all those cheats and we won’t have to read their eternal complaints of how everybody is a welfare cheat.

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