PORTLAND, Maine — In his relentless demands for steep Medicaid cuts, Gov. Paul LePage has said Maine spends far more per capita than other states on Medicaid and is high above the national average.
Whether you support or oppose LePage’s cost-cutting proposals, he’s right.
Maine had the nation’s fifth-highest Medicaid coverage rate in fiscal year 2009, 27.8 percent, behind California, New Mexico, Louisiana and Vermont, according to the latest statistics for Maine from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. The national rate for the same period was 21 percent.
Maine’s Medicaid expenses for that year amounted to $1,890 per resident.
That’s 61 percent higher than the national average of $1,173 per person, according to CMMS statistics.
LePage and others say those numbers show that Medicaid, which goes by the name MaineCare in Maine, is bloated and in need of slashing. If Maine’s enrollment were at the national 21 percent rate, the state would have had about 276,000 people enrolled, 90,000 fewer than actually were.
“I ask all of you, where is the outrage?” LePage said in a recent letter to legislators. “Maine Medicaid programs have grown at an unsustainable rate, and spending is out of control.”
Medicaid is a federal program administered by the states that serves as the country’s primary health insurance program for low-income Americans.
More than 66 million people were on Medicaid in 2010 at a cost of about $384 billion. About two-thirds of the costs were paid by the federal government, and one-third by the states.
LePage has proposed cutting $221 million in Medicaid spending in Maine to reduce a budget shortfall through mid-2013 and bring Maine closer in line to national averages on Medicaid funding and coverage rates.
The Legislature’s budget committee has endorsed a proposal calling for $120 million in cuts to the budget, nearly all in MaineCare, for the current fiscal year that ends June 30 and addressing the rest of the shortfall later.
Lawmakers are expected to give their approval to the budget this week after the proposal stalled in the Senate last week.
The governor, for his part, says while Medicaid coverage is helpful to those in need, the state simply can’t afford the broad coverage it now offers.
Medicaid coverage and costs have grown fast in the past 15 years in Maine.
About 202,000 Mainers had Medicaid coverage in July 2002. By October 2011, that number had grown to more than 361,000 residents, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services.
But the growth didn’t just happen willy-nilly — it was the result of deliberate steps by legislators aiming to increase health coverage for children, parents, the elderly and single poor people in hopes of creating a healthier state.
Expanded Medicaid coverage is one reason the state went from No. 16 a decade ago to No. 8 last year in the United Health Foundation’s annual state-by-state health rankings, said Chris Hastedt, public policy director at the Maine Equal Justice Partners organization. It’s also contributed to Maine having an uninsured rate of 10 percent, the sixth-lowest in the country in the Kaiser Family Foundation’s annual ratings, she said.
“It was a very deliberate set of actions aimed at very specific goals,” she said. “To a very large extent we’ve achieved those goals with important success for people who’ve been covered and for the people of Maine.”
Former state Rep. Mike Saxl was among the legislators who pushed for increased Medicaid coverage of Maine children in 1996. That was followed in later years by additional measures to expand coverage to parents and childless adults and for prescription drugs for the elderly, he said.
At the time, expanding Medicaid was considered a smart move because every dollar in state funds leveraged at least $2 in federal money, he said.
It was also viewed as a cost-saving measure since preventive medicine is cheaper than treating medical problems when they get to crisis stage, he said.
Medicaid is an important policy debate, but there are questions that deserve answers if the funding is going to be slashed, he said.
“How does somebody practically get coverage? Are we saying they want them to have uncompensated care at hospitals and doctor’s offices? That’s an option,” he said. “Are we saying we want them to not have care? That’s an option. Are we saying they should have private insurance? That can be a good idea, but how are they going to afford that private insurance?”
Virtually every state over the years has expanded Medicaid coverage to some level beyond the core minimum requirements set by the federal government.
If Maine provided only the bare Medicaid coverage required by law, it would have just over 250,000 people on Medicaid rather than today’s level of 360,000, state officials say.
But because of Medicaid’s flexibility, the enrollment rates and costs are widely variable among states. While Maine provided some form of Medicaid coverage to 27.8 percent of residents in 2009, only 12.5 percent of New Hampshire residents were Medicaid recipients that same year. Maine and New Hampshire have roughly the same population, but Maine had about 200,000 more people on Medicaid than the Granite State.
California had the highest enrollment rate at 30.2 percent, while Nevada had the lowest rate at 10.9 percent, according to CMMS figures.
Generally speaking, most states through the years have broadened Medicaid coverage more for children than they have for adults, said Robin Rudowitz of the Kaiser Family Foundation in Washington. Maine has expanded coverage to adults more than most other states, she said.
But with the poor economy and revenue collections down, states the past couple of years have been implementing new Medicaid policies to cut spending.
The Kaiser Family Foundation said 47 states made cost-reduction Medicaid changes for fiscal year 2011.
For the current fiscal year, every state but North Dakota planned at least one policy change to contain Medicaid costs, Kaiser said last week in a midyear Medicaid budget update report. Forty-six states planned rate cuts or restrictions for health care providers and 18 states planned to reduce or restrict benefits. Four states, including Maine, planned eligibility reductions, but federal Medicaid officials have denied requests for enrollment procedure changes for Hawaii and Arizona.



Time to take a good look at the providers as a place to start. I remember hearing about a pharmacy in Oakland the defrauded Medicaid for over a million dollars. He got away with it so I figure there’s more fraud like that out there driving up the cost.
But haven’t you heard? There is NO welfare fraud or abuse in Maine!
I heard that, just didn’t believe it :-)
Lol You must have been listening to the Lib Dems. 8>)
I can’t seem to drown them out :-) I have my ears covered and everything!!
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Sorry you didn’t catch the cynicism of my previous post. I believe our entire welfare system is wrought with fraud and abuse at ALL levels. As a conservative, I agree with your statements. Sounds like we’re on the same side. Now aint that a hoot! 8>)
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Once again, You and I stand united!!! Aint it Grand???
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The agenda of trying to make Maine into a non welfare state?.. To bring business to Maine and trying to balance our budget?. To help the working man and tend to HIS needs rather than the bums?.. Yeah.. He really is an EVIL man if your sitting in front of your mailbox all month waiting for us to fill it for you.. The best part is he was actually voted in by the working man. and even tho the working man is absent from these discussions.. You will be hearing from the working man again come November!
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here here!!! amen and kudos and all that other good stuff!
So you, like LePage, believe that the way to make Maine a non-welfare state is to simply cut the welfare rolls while ignoring the job market completly. Want to cut welfare and medicaid rolls? Create good paying jobs with good benefits. Oh, but that’s harder than just cutting people out of a program. Creating jobs actually takes intelligence, thought, and some hard work. It actually appears that the lazy ones in this big picture are LePage and his supporters.
Your post to Antilib is so incongruous it evades a reply. You are mixing apples and oranges and expecting prunes.
Perfect ..thank you
Why because he is doing what those of us elected him to do and that is cut the bloated amount of folks on Welfare. He should boot everyone off of these programs. It isn’t the working folks who should be paying for these lazy folks to stay home eat junk food, watch tv or play on the computer. We are tired of having to pay for them while we struggle paying high taxes, high heating fuel, gasoline costs, grocery bills, utility bills. It is time to finally put the hammer down and start making them responsible for themselves.
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The problem with the young abusers is that they are believing in government assistance as a right. Why work when one is promised everything for free? Some do not believe that the rest of us working fools are paying their way. Yet, our government keeps promising them more and more for free. Give us working folks a break.
Yes, the government certainly does continue to promise “everything for nothing”. Problem with that is – before they can give it to PETER, they have to TAKE it from Paul. The cell phone example given earlier was a good point: A FREE cell phone and 250 FREE minutes per month to anyone who “meets income guidelines”. Socialism is wonderful. Until you run out of other peoples’ money.
Is that cell phone offer really government subsidized? I just assumed it was a “come-on” for another plan or more expensive minutes.
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It is COMPLETELY government subsidized. You and I pay for every single penny of that program. When you see a young girl texting on her cell and paying with her ebt card. You can be damn sure that is our money that went to pay for her cell phone. A cell phone is NOT a necessity! I don’t know why people who cannot afford basic living expenses would be GIVEN a cell phone. If you are on any assistance at all then you qualify. If you get heating assistance then you get a phone. If you happen to use all of your FREE minutes then you can PURCHASE more minutes. grrrrrrrrrrr!
I’ll bet those free cell phones really cut down on the overhead of the poor drug dealers…
You can “believe” what you want but simply believing it DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.
You don’t get out much do you? go ahead and “search bangor daily news” for “welfare fraud” and see what you get.
Just because your head is drivin up you butt dosnt mean that there is no fraud.. You dont have to worry its just fraudulent cases … Unless…. your defrauding the state.. Your all set right?
Perfect… thank you! ;>)
Are you in favor of Choice when it comes to abortion?
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Thanks for supporting a woman’s right to choose!
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Nope, there isn’t. Just a few thousand “isolated instances” :-)
Your estimate is Waaayyy low
Sources, please!
Reach up and search Welfare Fraud and get back to me with what you come up with, See you in November!
Ok I did and this is what I found.
“Less than 2% of all people on welfare in the USA commit fraud.”
http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-fraud-in-the-usa/
“Maine grand juries returned a dozen indictments last year charging welfare fraud, double the number in 2010”
http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-12/news/31052676_1_welfare-fraud-welfare-recipients-state-welfare-assistance
http://www.pressherald.com/news/DHHS-catching-more-welfare-fraud.html
“5 accused of welfare fraud in Maine”
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20120105-NEWS-120109866
Welfare fraud is running rampant, I tell ya
Thanks for the links. Seems pretty high for the size of Maine and where social workers don’t have to fear for their lives.
Between 2010 and 2011, the number of reports of possible welfare fraud and abuse fielded by DHHS nearly doubled to 2,100.
Already in 2012, charges have been lodged against eight defendants in the Lewiston area alone.
State prosecutors secured 10 convictions last year, up 25 percent from a year earlier. Administrators in 2011 recovered more than $2 million in overpayments to welfare recipients, also up from 2010.
Glad you see my point. Now what was yours again?
Isn’t the owner of that pharmacy now a Republican in the State Senate?
I don’t know Sherlock, why don’t you go ask him?
I think I remember hearing it was a mistake, and he is now the speaker of the Maine House of Representatives.
I believe he was refering to the Bowdoin pharmacist wo pled guilty to taking kickbacks from drug companies
The Speaker of the House (a Republican) did “mistakenly” overbill for millions and has yet to pay any of it back.
The Dawg!
As one candidate for the GOP stated– the government needs fraud departments to check immediately on the fraud in the systems in place for medicare, medicaid, subsidies, and any other money being given away so freely. How is it that my visa, mastercard or discover fraud departments can get to me within hours of believing a fraudulent charge was made? If I inadvertently forget to inform them of my next place, I get a call regarding the charges. Once I was asked to come to the phone of the establishment and provide some information/security codes and answers before the transaction was made. I was not annoyed; I was happy to provide that which was needed. Meanwhile some medical office makes hundreds of charges to medicare or medicaid and the charges are paid. When charges are excessive, they need to be checked immediately. Instead the government bureaucracy pays now and waits years to check. Why not put the same kind of checks on fraud in place instead of allowing it to continue. Fraud should not be driving up the cost of healthcare for those of us who work and are footing the bills for those in need of free care.
Fraud is being worked on and I couldn’t be happier to see it.Until some people do long jail terms things won’t change.
That is so true. I had not thought of that in the same way. Maybe we as taxpayers ought to start guarding our money like the credit card companies do! Kudos to you!
Yes, that was Speaker of the House Nutting who did the defrauding……go figure.
And the OWNER of that pharmacy is none other than Robert Nutting, Republican, Maine’s House Speaker.
No surprise – a poor, rural State that is still heavily reliant on manual labor. People get hurt and live far from service centers – healthcare is expensive to provide in rural areas.
Then why the 78% spike in Medicaid enrollment since 2002? Wasn’t Maine also a rural state that relied on manual labor, prior to 2002? Is Maine the only rural state in the country that relies on manual labor?
since 2002?
Wal-Mart!
Walmart and a little something called the worst recession, some say a depression, since 1929 would be my guess. And all states, not just Maine, have seen similar increases since 2002.
perhaps you can tell me why 4.7% of the US population is on disability?”
That’s right, nearly 1 out of 20.
Disability has no relation to unemployment or are you saying there is an uptick in fraud?
There are hundreds of reasons to be on disability that have nothing to do with fraud. Workplace accidents, accidents away from the workplace, mental issues, disabilities due to chemical sensitivity, repetitive motion injuries, illness…. I could add more and none of them have to do with fraud.
Sure there is fraud and it should be found and the appropriate penalties applied. That includes the person who could work but isn’t but it also includes the rich who bilk the system as well.
Yes, most of them see SSI disability as a career path…so many 40 year old somethings are disabled…give me a freaking break.
And nobody is looking at how many of those are “mental disability”Biggest scam in recent times and nobody does a thing about it.Notice how of the recommended cuts the PNMI came off the table RIGHT AWAY when nothing else did!?Some nursing homes and people pocketing thousands/millions leaned on somebody quick.
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I do-2 cases of PTSD and a brother who was never the same person post Vietnam as he was before.For those that truly need it,I am happy to pay taxes to help them,especially our veterans!BUT I think there are a lot of people who are coached to believe something is wrong with them in order to sell a new drug,pay for a highly paid psychiatrist,etc. and sometimes to get them out of a busy doc’s office.We have kids now that are on a handful of pills at younger and younger ages.Then they think they are damaged and a long term pill cures all.SCARY.
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That is true,sadly.I miss my brother a lot.
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Cutting the PNMI care would have been illegal. It didn’t go anywhere because the state is legally required to fund mental illness in the “least restrictive” way. If the state would have taken PNMI’s off the Mainecare system, they would of had to pay for it some other way. By keeping it in the Mainecare system, they get the matching funds from the feds. With LePage’s contempt for most people I doubt he was even aware of the Consent Decree when he made the PNMI’s part of his cuts. Notice he isn’t arguing to hard to get them put back on? One of his people must have let him in on it.
Thanks for the update.
We should not compare percentages based on limited statistics. The fact is that Mainers earn far less income than in New Hampshire. Plus, Maine has the oldest population in the nation. Our seniors who have worked hard all their lives do not get enough in social security benefits to pay for their medical and other needs. They need help. See http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/33000.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/33000.html These two sites show all the factors that make Maine different from New Hampshire. We need to have all the information in order to reach important decisions facing all Mainers.
No, actually they don’t pay their taxes. Have you ever met a lobsterman that made money? LOL
I guess you have a problem with lobsterman? Most of them that I know do pay taxes so they can have a retirement fund. Don’t generalize.
I don’t know which part of the coast you’re referring to, but I know quite a few fisherman, and they royally screw the government on taxes. Worse than them, are the stern men, who are generally paid with no taxes deducted. So the stern men are “self employed”. I know stern men who have never even filed income taxes…ever.
You mean when I buy lobsters on the boat for 2.50 a lb. He doesn’t pay taxes!!!! MY GOD MAN!!
Yeah right.
That would be what they use for drug money.
All the news ever shows is some grandfatherly figure trying to carve out a living. That is not the norm these days.
EXCELLENT point!
I grew up around lobsterman. If they arnet making 10 grand a week they aint happy. When they buy something its mostly in CASH. Im not sure Ive ever met one that has “made money” when tax time rolls around they went in the “hole” 50 grand. Stern men are ghosts , they do not exist. What they see to the coop and what they sell privately is totally between them and the mattress.. Now it may not be EVERY one of them no. But they love in a totally different class.. One high above the rest of us. When it comes time for boats toys play time and vacations.. They somehow scrape up the money .
yup
Or a rich truck driver?
Yes……but I’ve never met one who would admit it.
As you pointed out, “The fact is that Mainers earn far less income than in New Hampshire.” This makes the crushing burden of the Medicaid system even more unfair to the wage earners, who are having to fund it AND do what they can to meet their own needs.
We’re also probably above average in age, lower education, unemployment, and bloated politicians who’s narrow minded focus on the weaknesses of the needy and hatred for his own State and it’s people has driven thousands more jobs away for this State. Any leader who publicly announces that his State is a “WELFARE STATE” as Mr. LePage did last week and expects good things to happen in the way of job growth is a complete fool. “Where’s the outrage on that” Mr. Tunnel Vision LePage? The only person in Maine that is happy about Paul’s job growth plan and efforts is his daughter! The rest of us, ahh…not so happy.
Maine has a higher than average Medicaid coverage rate.
Maine also has a very high fire department coverage rate, a high police protection rate, and even a high road snow plowing coverage rate.
Health care should be available to all. Maine’s higher than average Medicaid coverage rate makes us more like all other developed countries in the world.
It’s normal for citizens to be free from worry over whether they or their family can get healthcare. It’s the US with it’s profit-driven health care industry that is out of step.
Germany – Conservatives (CDU) in charge – universal health care.
Britain – Conservatives in charge – universal health care.
France – Conservatives (UPM) in charge – universal health care.
Canada – Conservatives in charge – universal health care.
(Massachusetts with Severely Conservative Governor Mitt Romney in charge – universal health care)
Here’s a link to a chart showing per capita spending on health care by country:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Total_health_expenditure_per_capita,_US_Dollars_PPP.png
The article was about Mainecare.
Mainecare is Maine’s Medicaid program.
Please get better informed on the subject before disputing an issue.
All you talked about was what Germany and other countries do for healthcare. How does what other countries do compare to what Maine does? Please, read the article before you post your response.
It matters in what we can learn from both their successes and their mistakes.No system is perfect buut we have a LONG way to go.When an insurance exec in CT makes $19.1M and never helps a patient,you don’t see a problem?You and I are paying for that!
Yes, but one often overlooked reason for this is their defense budgets. They have depended on America for their defense for the last 60 years, so they have the money available to provide these social services. It can also be argued that we brought down the Soviet Union by outspending them on armaments which benefited them as much as us.
Just a reminder that there are usually many factors influencing any given situation (it can cost a thousand dollars or more to get a driver’s license in Germany, for example).
If all the money US employers now pay to insurance companies was instead applied to a universal health care program like those in Conservative Britain, Conservative France, Conservative Canada, Conservative Germany, all US citizens would be covered with money left over.
It is not an employers job to afford health care for its employees.This is nothing more than a benifit not a right.
Conservative leaders in Germany, Canada, France and Britain disagree with you. They consider it a right, like police and fire protection.
Your assumption that all things would be equal is bogus.
An excerpt from Britain’s Conservative Party web site:
“We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care. “
Once again, that is an unfortunately simplistic view that, frankly, is without true factual merit.
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
“We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them. ”
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Health.aspx
It all sounds like a warm and fuzzy utopia (which we know it’s not).
BUT: Once again, you don’t reference how they are able to pay for it; only how they are trying to cut costs.
Your idea of Universal health care is called Obama care isn’t it? Pelosi said “We must pass this Bill in order to find out what’s in it.” Well the Left Wing fanaticals passed it, Obama Bin Laden signed it and We STILL don’t know whats in it.
Except over half of the states in the union figured it out and are trying their damndest to get waivered or opted out.
Uhhh last time I was there the cost of the mandatory driving class was over 8200DM. didn’t hear what the actual Lic. cost. FWIW
Thanks. I knew it was alot (‘1000 or more’), but memory fades and I’m too lazy too look it up! :)
In an attempt to understand you, where do or have you worked? I am curious as to what your past life experiences are and why you feel that placing personal responsibility on individuals is such a cruel thing. You seem very stuck on your hatred of Paul Lepage and are failing to see factual information.
Would it matter if I told you I’m a carpenter’s son and have herded sheep for the past 30 years? I think not. You boil this down to personal responsibility as though there never should be a need for anyone to receive assistance. We all know that’s not true. People get old, people are born with and develop handicapping conditions and yes we should all be aware by now that people do lose their jobs and have difficulty finding another where none exist. I’m all for personal responsibility, yet I’m also for providing assistance to those who are in need even if it means some sacrifice on my part. It’s not a work history thing like you’ve attempted to imply, it’s simply a matter of what kind of human you’ve grown to be and what kind of society you want to be part of.
Well, if you think not, you think wrong. I would be very interested to learn if you were a carpenters son. You mention herding sheep, I love agriculture, however very young my parents told me that it is a very difficult and a hard lifestyle to be a farmer. I knew I couldn’t support the lifestyle I want to live being a farmer. So I work, I work hard. With my life plan being to purchase land and retire on a working farm. Life choices.
Now let’s talk about needs. I have an employee that I pay $65,000 a year. She is great, I would pay more if I was forced to retain her. Her husband doesn’t work, we offer health insurance benefits, her children 20 and 18 are on Mainecare. This is not a need. The need is that her husband NEEDS to work, her children NEED to work, and she NEEDS to purchase the company health insurance just like everyone else. For Mainecare to allow this is absolutely DISGUSTING. I have another employee that has a mental handicap, he has a very hard time remembering directions and he has a hard time processing a lot of information. But, do you want to know what he does do? He shows up for work, he busts his butt everyday laboring. He is motivated to learn new talents and skills. He might not know how to read or write but he could work circles around anybody else with direction. He is someone that should qualify to receive benefits, however he has PRIDE. Which seems to be something that this State used to have. He has never taken a handout in his life.
I applaud you for wanting to sacrifice for people that want help. I choose to as well, I personally donate yearly to causes I see fit and deserving. Not just money, but time as well. The society I don’t want to be apart of is single mothers doing bathsalts and drinking in front of their children, perfectly capable grown men with “back injuries” sitting home all day or better yet stealing scrap metal and “working under the table”. We are creating a state of poverty because it is acceptable. It should not be okay and I will never support the abuse that is going on.
Lastly, I believe it is a work history issue like I implied. Without arguing, I asked if you could share what work or life experiences you have had that formed your strong opinions and your reply was “I think not.”
Well put! The fact is, some people will never understand it. Liberal brainwashing starts young!
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
My next door neighbors are die hard liberals. One day their 9 year old daughter asked me why I have a Lepage sticker on my truck… she also asked why I take my daughter hunting. I told her I agreed with Mr Lepage and that he was supposed to change things in our state and that I am passing o a tradition to my daughter like it was passed to me from my father and grandfather. I asked her.. If you were president what is the first thing you would do?. She said she would give houses and food to all the homeless people . Her parents were very proud of her answer. I said wow thats quite an idea I said but you dont have to wait to be president to do that. Come over to my house and rake my grass clean up all the winter debris and Ill pay you 50 dollars and then you can take it to those people hanging out at the on the corner and give it to them to go toward their food and a place to live.. She thought for a min and said why dont you just hire those people instead? I said welcome to Conservatism.. Her parents havnt spoke to me since…
That is a perfect answer!! I love it!! I need to remember that just in case….
I and I’m sure most folks have no argument with most of what you’ve said above. I’m not here to DEFEND (As you and others often seem to be implying) those who refuse to do anything for themselves…I don’t think anyone has ever come here to defend THAT.
“I think not” was meant to imply two things. One, that my work and life’s experiences would likely make no difference to you no matter what they were. However what should have been perfectly clear is that some element of religious philosophy seems to have creped into my psyche. Do you think that’s a bad thing? And two, that such personal information is not open to and would be ill advised to be discussed on this board. I don’t need to know your place of work or your life’s history and would personally feel foolish asking for such here. Your comments speak for themselves and mine do likewise. Personal information is best left to those who wish to speculate and who are hopefully smart enough not express such speculations here.
Well, thankfully America has separated religion and state. Gosh if we didn’t, think of all of the wars that religion has brought to the world. I wouldn’t want to live in a place like that.
And I also want to thank you for pointing out that my personal character tries to not judge until I learn about others and consider their learned behavior for the basis of their opinion. I appreciate that. Personal fact builds credibility, the issue that you can’t share your personal information shows that you shouldn’t deserve credibility.
Now to keep it political, How do you suggest that Gov. Lepage protects the needy and punishes the abusers without reducing services?
So you believe that Christ’s teachings should have absolutely no relation to the conduct or business of your government? Interesting. I’ve always been taught that the only folks that believe such a philosophy were in communist Russia or China. Of course I have no way of knowing, you might be posting from one of those countries.
Actually I thought I pointed out that your asking such personal information was not only inappropriate and nonproductive but also indicative of someone trying to make judgments upon others by suggesting that they lack your “insights” because they also may be lacking in work and or life’s experience. All of which seems inappropriately presumptive. Perhaps I wasn’t clear on that?
“How do you suggest that Gov. Lepage protects the needy and punishes the abusers without reducing services?” Well now, folks have been looking to solve that problem ever since we came together as clans and tribes. There isn’t any easy solution is there? The best answer one could come up with is contained in the question itself. Protect the needy by making the punishment for abuse severe…but that of course will have it’s own cost on multiple levels. In the end we all know there is only one way to reduce such abuse, by reducing the need. The need will be reduced when incomes/jobs are returned.
How will jobs return to Maine? No easy answer for that one either, but I’m pretty sure that constantly degrading Maine citizens and calling Maine a “Welfare State” (As Mr. LePage did last week) isn’t the right tact to take. We need a salesmen and salespeople to promote every positive thing we have to offer. Fighting over giving the poor/needy healthcare does nothing to sell our State to others and is largely a waste of time that will only serve to keep one person (No I guess two) employed, that would be Mr. Paul LePage and his daughter Lauren. Frankly I think the needs of Maine and Mainers should be put well before those two.
Wow! What religion tells you to attack someone trying to help real needy people?
You hit it right on the head!! Great, great comment! Pride is a lost commodity … along with it. ambition and self reliance
So taking more over and over from producers while not improving the non producers is something good.You make it sound like the poor are forgotten.Have you taken a look at the DHHS budget size and the increasing help people need.Evidently throwing more money at it has not worked.Time to change things.Will some fall threw the cracks you bet.Sitting on a computer spanking the governor for trying to get this under control going to help?.Ideology will not fix this problem. Only real self responsibility and hard work is going to fix this not more entitlement spending.
Your spin blaming lepage for the unfunded giveaway programs of the past is ridiculous.Time to find some new rhetoric. everyone knows your contempt for Mr Lepage is nothing more than unsubstantiated crap. Your side failed at every attempt to govern Man up and admit using one time stimulus and passing it on was failed policys.Time to fix the problems not pass them along.Other states control it we can.
Wow you can call us Mainers lower educated yet you spank Mr lepage for saying we are a welfare state.Funny how that works
Not if you’re already rich and got a nice fat LePage giveaway!That went through like lightning!
Even if Lepage gets his way and 65,000 Mainers lose their Maine Care…those people will then be forced to go to ER’s for even minor ailments. Then the hospital will do cost shifting to pay for those that lack the funds to provide it for themselves. Either way you cut it…those who are unlucky enough to be able to pay for their coverage,pay for the uninsured anyways.
That’s the point. Perhaps if we don’t give everything away for free, people will be forced to decide whether or not they need to go to the doctor or to the ER for minor ailments. If people paid for their own minor ailments, we could afford to take care of the major ones.
The VA system seems to work and could help here. Of you feel you have an emergency you can visit the local ER. If , after the fact, the VA feels that you were not in a emergency they can refuse to pay. Perhaps this policy could help stem the abuse of the system and act as a deterrent to an ER visit for anything minor.
Your probably right.. But I cant for the life of me think thats its better to just give something to someone that dosnt need it just because they will steal something else.. If it ends up costing us more money so be it. At least in the end THEY are responsible for the bills even if they never pay it.. Just something feels wrong about it.. Im sorry .. I may be wrong myself.. But if and when they go to some buy here pay here auto dealer and they get refused because they didnt pay their hospital bill.. O well they should have thought of that.. Take responsibility for ones self. If we teach half of them that .. its worth it.
It was LePage’s pledge to bring jobs to Maine,good paying jobs! Reallywhat he wants is cheap labor.The r’s goal to create “right to work’ state even though those states average$2.50 less per hour than others is just more proof that it isn’t jobs he’s about, it’s just social engineering.
He dosen’t force you to stay here , move !
I guess you slept through your civics class that talked about the constitution and the right of free speech and the right to have opposing opinions. If you wish to work for $2.50 less , I’m sure the gov. can find employment for you. My people have been in Maine since before it was a state, guess I’ll stay for a while longer. If the best you can do is to tell people to move, sad, sad indeed.
Don’t force me to pay union wages when I can hire competent non-union workers. The only reason unions re successful at increasing wages is through extortion and stifling any and all competition
My sister lives in N.H . and makes lots more cash than I do , she also pays 10 times the property tax that I do and more for just about everything else. My daughter and son in law live in Ca. where they make more cash than I do and pay up to $ 25. for a fish dinner that costs me $9.95. It’s all relative you see. So I’ll say again move , the grass isn’t always greener !
Do you think out of state companys come and ask the Gov. what they can do for him? I believe they would ask him stupid questions like DO you have qualified workers, or what is your Corp. tax structure. Do you think they’re still interested when he explains all the hoops and hurdles they have to get over?
You might lose your job. It’s happening to so many people. New jobs are very hard to find. If and when that happens (and I pray it does not), YOU might find yourself needing MaineCare.
I am perfectly willing to keep paying into the system s0 MaineCare will be available to you in your time of need.
good for you.. I on the other hand am already paying for people to take an express thru the ER. Meanwhile Im paying almost 700 dollars per month for my families health insurance with a 6 thousand dollar deductible and guess what?.. We actually have to pay for every trip to the Dr until we reach our 6 thousand dollar deductible… So that said.. I dont agree I am not perfectly happy paying in money to a system that is abused and not policed. I am NOT happy that my family has to make extreme sacrifices even tho I work my pants off and so does my wife while others use the system as a second income and dont know what a hospital bill is. I also pay to heat my home and I buy my own groceries.. It can be done it just depends on HOW bad you want to .. Yes Im bitter .. Yes Im a republican.. No I do not want to target the elderly no I dont want to target vets and the disabled.. Yes I want to target all the others that are using my hard earned money as a second income.. I will make no apologies for my opinion.
You’re suffering. You’re paying a fortune for catastrophic coverage, yet get no use from it (a blessing, but still frustrating I’m sure), and have to pay out of pocket or do without necessary care.
The Republican leadership wants this to continue.
They are fighting against universal health insurance. They are fighting against you and your family, and in favor of profit-making insurance corporations–which make vast contributions to their campaigns.
One of their tactics is to turn Americans against one another–divide and conquer. They encourage us to be furious at people who might be getting a few hundred dollars a month more than they merit, yet to applaud insurance company CEOs who have salaries of $20 million dollars a year or more. Those salaries exist because the company charges you so much and delivers so little.
Do your links show how you benefit financially from the system?
I don’t, personally, benefit from any programs. I have always paid my own way, thank you.
Medicare is part of “paying your own way”, in case you are not aware!
Yes, and I paid into Medicare for years and pay my monthly payment now. But, I took Cheesecake1955’s remark to suggest that I was getting something for nothing. There are elderly Mainers who are low income and necessarily get their monthly Medicare payment made for them.
Do you work as part of a system as a social worker or medical person or some other provider who benefits from a large Mainecare/medicade/medicare program? It is a fair question considering your posts. What do YOU have to gain?
NO! Why must someone be on welfare or receiving some kind of benefit in a particular area to speak out for the elderly and handicapped?
I asked if you worked as a healthcare provider for a social service agency or for some private group that benefits from a large medicaid budget!! Why is that so hard???
And totally irrelevent to the issue where dlaurels works.
When someone defends cutting benefits to the poor is it relevent how they make their living?
It is pertinent if poster benefits by a system s/he wants to enlarge. Taxpayer/budgetary concerns become secondary. It is relevant.
If a business person posted here saying, “I want more money from the taxpayer for my business.” it would still be a valid question to have answered. Why is it not pertinent to inquire if there is a financial gain involved here on the social service side?
You are a pain. What do you think “NO” means?
I previously answered your question. Please read my response again. I posted a previous response to your above comment, but I guess the BDN didn’t like it.
Plus we are in the bottom of the barrel when it comes to jobs available so why wouldnt we be the highest in Medicare dollars. The state dont require employers to have health insurance for its workers. Most employers wont offer it to the employees unless they are forced to !
Most employers would love to be able to offer health insurance. If they don;’t its probably because they can’t afford it. It is what small business have been saying for years. You have to have a high relatively high profit, high margin business to even afford insurance under the Dirigo plans!
I get the fact that most small employers cant afford to buy insurance , however in some cases its there own fault they cant afford it !
To follow up, if the small employer can’t afford even the cheapest health plan, what would happen if forced to provide it? .. .. … .. Time up – they go out of business and you lose your job.
I have seen the profit and loss statements of SOME small businesses, so like i said above . There are some small businesses that could afford it and some that cant. It is an easy crutch to lean on for some small businesses , especially when they choose not to make it a priority. There is a mindset in Maine from a LOT of employers to give as little pay and benefits as they can get away with ! Because wages and benefits are so low here in most cases they dont have to offer more to compete for employees !
You truly believe that if small business in Maine could afford to pay for it’s employees insurance it would not. Have you ever hired anyone?.Have you ever worked in a small business.Most employees in a Maine small business are treated like family not employees.Have you ever seen the employee missing three to four checks in a row to make sure payroll is met.How many employees have to sign loans to keep the business running .
Just a small glitch in your post, If an employee misses 3 or 4 paychecks in a row , how is payroll being met? or maybe you meant employer?
and there would suddenly be an increase in ‘independent contractors’ across the state – a loop hole for getting out of having to provide insurance.
Medicare is for the elderly, medicaid is for the poor.
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What does medicaid cover that medicare doesn’t? And is it a red flag that we cover items under medicaid that isn’t covered by the universally beloved medicare program?
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100% correct I’m just glad you didn’t mention Part B, then you would have really confused him…
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You are correct. Medicare is the primary insurer and Maine Care picks up the difference. And in the case of those elderly eligible for Quimby, MaineCare picks up thePart B medicare premium as well as what Medicare does not pay. If eligible for Slimby, MaineCare picks up te Medicare premium only. There are a lot of elderly on these programs.
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You have no idea!
In addition, many elders pay for a “companion plan” to cover what Medicare doesn’t. I know this first hand and have done it for years. MediCARE is something into which older people have paid, as an insurance program, for many, many years. MediCAID is a state-based entitlement program. Please don’t confuse the two for those of us who have paid into MediCARE for years to have these benefits available as we age.
I’m on medicare and I’m only 61 go figure!
A few *Forgotten Facts* to them *Dems.* Read it and WHINE !!! ;<)
Google Mr. Baldacci.
In 2004, Baldacci signed executive order 13 FY 04/05 titled "An Order Concerning Access to State Services By All Entitled Maine Residents", which, among other things, prohibited state employees from inquiring about immigration status when people apply for public assistance or services.
Due to this executive order, his political opponents have labeled Maine a "sanctuary state" for illegal immigrants.
Following info courtesy of, The Kennebec Journal…October 10, 2010
Maine’s welfare system offers one of the most generous benefits packages in the nation.
Almost 30 percent of our population receives some form of benefit.
Between 2003 and 2010, Maine’s welfare enrollment grew 70 percent (from 226,000 to 381,000), according to a report from the Maine Heritage Policy Center.
Is that really “Maine, the way life should be?”
Maine ranks second in the nation in all three major welfare programs: Food stamps, cash public assistance (TANF) and in Medicaid enrollment as a percent of total population, according to the Maine Heritage Policy CenterGov.
John Baldacci’s executive order in 2004 effectively turned Maine into a sanctuary state.
According to the last census in 2000, Maine’s population of illegal immigrants ranged in the thousands.
How many may be currently accessing our tax funded welfare system?
How can we possibly know?
Maine employees are prohibited from inquiring about immigration status.
A residency requirement could save our state hundreds of thousands of dollars paid in benefits to illegal immigrants as well as immigrants who aren’t qualified to receive benefits under the federal umbrella.
Recovery begins one step at a time.
Let’s take our first step toward protecting Maine people by empowering Maine employers to ask for immigration status before asking, “What can we give you?”
Amen!
Maybe employers should be allowed to enquire about your health records as well, how about your criminal record and how many guns you have , weather you ever filed for workers compensation or left the country, how many guns do you have what are your disabilities did you go to a foriegn contry? How many kids you fathered legitimate or illegitamately,what where your grades in grammer school?
Do you still beat your wife?
Try spell check prior to posting
Attacking spelling means you have lost the argument and have to cloud the issue.
Take that argument to Chenard.
I thought it meant a dignified answer wasn’t warranted.
Hey DILBERT,, if you ever had a real job INSTEAD of being on the GOV’T Welfare payroll getting fat and foolish, you might know that most employers now require a pre-hire physical, background check and (unlike you) are able to read, write and cipher without having to take off your shoes !!!
As far as the Rest of your ignorant accusations, lets just say that I don’t have to be concerned with such idiotic issues because I AM NOT RELATED TO YOU !!! ;<o
Oh Yeah, 'bout the GUNS,,, come on over for "target" practice sometime, I could use your help recycling my ammo,,,,,,,,,,DUH!?!?!?!
Now go back to sleep you troll 'til Mommy has your cereal ready to spoon feed you,,,,,, you DUHLBURT Dufus !!! Peace out !!! 357 Forever !! ;<)
Need me to spot for ya? ;>)
AYUH ! ;<)
p.s.= what does PWandLD mean?
"Pretty Weird and Learning Deficient"…. just joking! ;<)
Residency I can see as a requirement. But past that, hold up there. Any, and I mean any, study that comes out of Maine Heritage is so suspect in it’s basic assumptions that it’ s all but dead on arrival with any knowledgeable Mainer. MHC is, and continues to be, so right-wing extremist in it’s view’s that to base any plan of their information alone automatically raise the question of just who’s going to actually be eligible, much less benefit. There is no doubt the MaineCare system needs reforming and ‘tightening up’. But to do it without understanding the actual, physical consequences of doing so puts not just the reforming process into question. It also puts a huge number of Mainer’s at risk. MHC has a frighteningly frequent habit of putting anyone that doesn’t fit into their statistical ‘mold’ of ‘useful citizen’ into the catagory of ‘straphanger’ or ‘welfare-type’. Profiling, it seems, is a basis for MHC’s determining one’s status. So much for the MHC’s interpretation of The Constitution it would seem. Just ignore the Preamble, the 1st, the 6th, the 8th, the 10th and the 14th Amendment’s when it suits them. It would seem that the MHC believes in a ‘My way or the highway’ version of Due Process at both the Federal level and here in Maine as well. Nice to see them outta’ the closet.
And this ‘One size fit’s all’ reform process is just too academic to be practical. It also ignores the sheer size and medical service availability in the State as well. LePage would be well advised that he’s playing with fire here, no matter the number’s. And when Mainer’s start being seen as a number, as the MHC wants us to do, then we are ALL in a whole heap of trouble.
Ok, I’m guessing, please correct me IF I’m mistaken, but, I believe I’m correct in my observation that you DO NOT consider the MHC as a Reliable source of info, Correct? ;<) If' so, I can live with that little anomaly.
Aside from that one little "Thang", deal with the fact that is most important, that the Majority of this Screwed up Welfare State that ME. has become is due TOTALLY to our Esteemed previous Gov. Baldacci.
Need I remind you,"In 2004, Baldacci signed executive order 13 FY 04/05 titled "An Order Concerning Access to State Services By All Entitled Maine Residents", which, among other things, prohibited state employees from inquiring about immigration status…"
***MAJOR MALFUNCTION ON HIS PART!!!***
This is the cold hard *Fact*!
So…..what Now !?!?!
Please, do Not shoot the messinger in this case, cause I AM the Bloodhound of the Law ! ;<) Peace & Love 357
Sir, I consider the MHC only 1 very short step from being a clone of the Koch Brother’s media relations office. Virtually every ‘study’ that they release calls for some kind of ‘reform’ that benefit’s only a very few and, despite all of the GOP ra-ra, puts those ‘benefit’s’ costs on the rest of us, who never see those supposed benefit’s. That the MHC is also very silent about any real economic issue’s besides a bunch of academic wheel-spinning also tells me that they have absolutely no one who has ever gotten off their butt and actually used a shovel, swung a paint brush or knows how to use a lawnmower. Anytime they want to put a real world based business plan out there, and are going to be responsible for it, let me know. I always want to see a good dog and pony show. To this point all I’ve seen them do is try to reinflate the Hindenburg. And right now Blaine House is getting kinda’ cramped.
Thank you! This is a very good example of common sense.
We out spend by 61% for crying out loud. Maybe you ought to think with your head just this one time. We simply cannot afford to continue to do this no matter how good it makes your heart feel.
I have a problem with kicking the elderly, who have worked hard all their lives, off MaineCare when they need the help.
The LePage administration is on the record as acknowleging the needs of the truly in need which includes the elderly. Those not truly in need will be found.
However, the LePage administration’s legislation removes some of the elderly and handicapped from MaineCare.
Those not truly in need relative to the neediest will be identified and to the responsible extent of available taxpayer provided tax money, removed from enabled dependency.
Unemployed, taxpaying Mainers have been personally sacrificing every lack-of-a-paycheck-week for months in some cases and in others for years. The time has come for everyone to make sacrifices while preserving support for the truly neediest as taxpayer money has reached finite.
Then you should feel free to help them, with your money. And by the way, that old excuse is so lame and overused, can’t the democrat party come up with some new sound bites?
Well we can certainly see you won’t help them
Excuse me!!!! There is absolutely nothing lame or overused about caring about our elderly. You certainly do feel that you are entitled4life.
That’s exactly right. Unfortunately, you draw the wrong conclusion (because of your ideological blinders).
Your correct statement means that Mainers can NOT AFFORD to pay for that many people on the dole. Duh.
there is no easy answer to this problem
There is a way to solve this problem: honesty, hard work, compromise and spreading the hurt. There has been too much time spent on this issue. You cannot continue to look for the reason why you got a flat tire…….one could go miles and miles backwards looking for a reason…..just change it and go forward. There’s alot of work left to be done on other issues, get the bill done, send it downstairs , and if the governor veto’s it, then deal with it. But go forward.
I gotta go along with ya on this one Rus. You summed it up nice. I’d just like to add “”cut ALL the fraud and waste” if I may.
Lepage is ignoring the fact that Maine is a retirement destination for both Maine born who left the state and have returned to retire and the hundreds of thousands of summer people who winterized their vacation homes and moved to Maine to retire. These people are a net benefit to Maine because they pay state and local taxes but few of them have kinds in school and most of them don’t cause trouble.
If you’re retired, you get SS & Medicare, duh.
People who qualify for Medicaid the poor, children under age 6, pregnant women, Supplemental Security Income recipients, adopted or foster children, specially protected groups, children under age 19, elderly needing nursing home care and some other beneficiaries as specified by each state.
You don’t get SS or Medicare if you worked for the State your whole life. If you worked somewhere else, then the state, you lose your SS, what a deal.
Where did you hear that malarky? Dlbrt?
Think that’s only partially true. Many state agency’s employees had no SS deductions but are covered by a pension plan. So if those employees also worked for enough quarters in a non-state or SS exempt job, then they can be covered by SS but the SS is reduced by some formula. If they worked enough qtrs then they are eligible for medicare coverage like everyone else.
Federal employees had the same situation but I think about 20 years ago it changed for new hires.
Not totally true. If you are eligible under a spouse, you are required to go on Medicare at 65.
And if you want part B it’s gonna cost ya!
I have never seen so many abusers of the system as ME has. 61% higher than the national average and then we pay for their LIHEAP. Maybe they should check some of the lockboxes in ME. The poor lobstermen who make no money, yet buy brand new 4X4s CASH. What a scam, do your job ME, we all pay.
Let’s put it a little differently. How far does $717 go in your household? Statisticians can sure make 61% sound like a huge amount of money per person.
Is it even $717?A gallon of #2 in N Maine is $4.399 X a 200 gallon fill is $888.And how many of us only use 200 gallons in a season?
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You totally exaggerate…we “MAINERS” all PAY TOO!
How do you determine they are all abusing the system????
I’d like to share an interesting story I learned in ME. A woman I worked with bought a $350 pocketbook. I’d never seen one before. She then got a brand new computer (nicer than mine) for free from the state, she also gets LIHEAP. You want to talk about fraud? These people have no shame and the average age is 34. Makes you wonder how they were raised, I was taught to believe it was nothing to be proud of.
Report it then.
Can you give us a name? That would be a good place to start..
Did she also get her free Obamaphone?
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The phone program had restrictions on it when Bush started it. Obama has opened it to ANYONE receiving ANY type of assistance. 300% increase on this program. This costs the tax payers 1.6 BILLION not million but BILLION dollars a year!
And thank you 2! I’m glad you ladies are keeping me straight!
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Thanks for clarifying.
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LOL…Just because you know of “ONE” woman like that here doesn’s mean the rest of Maine is this way…you always get a handful out of each area so that is not an excuse to put Maine down…your judgement is way off! I grew up watching my family work there butt off and take care of the family with hardly nothing…but still we got by and NO we didnt get it from the STATE! You should be so ashaimed of yourself….I definately wouldn’t be proud to look at the world as you do. I was brought up to help others even when we didnt have it…helping others makes me a proud MAINER!!!
Many many likes to that here!And most people that share in ME will give the one shirt off their back for others.A friend from PA commented on the donation jars at every store to help someone and said “Back where I’m from,they’d just get broken and stolen.”SAD.
Sad – used to be that way if have a farm stand, but all I know, now have a lock & key box !
LOL … your story while most likely true.. is equally as true as Mainers.. There ARE people like that out there.. and there ARE a lot more out there than you want to believe …. I believe in Mainer helping MAiner. I donate to a local fund that is exactly that.. but I DONT believe in Mainer helping Mainer get free oil while I pay for mine.. Ill make no apology.. I know there is fraud out there.. and the ones that dont.. need to haul their head out of the mudflats and look around. There are people that need it.. I know it.. and there are people that get it and shouldnt be.. I KNOW that too.. I am not ashamed to say it.. Im ashamed that it happens.. but IM not ashamed to say it.
During the telethon for oil assistance the local news channel 2.. They were doing their thing. Raising money. They did a great job Raised a LOT of money for those who need it. I came home for lunch. I was watching and even called in.. I could only donate 50 bucks , felt good about myself.. I heat with pellets and I have saved a bunch of money on oil and thought there are older people that couldnt lug pellets and pellet stoves are indeed expensive so Ill share some of my savings and pass it along to someone who needs it. Ok .. I thought .. your a good man . So I was watching and they were in someones home. They were doing an interview with him. He was telling who the house has to be kept at 50 degrees and how he has to budget to even keep it at that. Ok.. I thought.. So he wanted to bring the news crew into the next room so he could show that some of his online friends in the same situation blog about suicide because they cant afford the oil etc. I thought.. Ok.. Thats terrible .. So .. They follow him with the cameras to the next room. WHile he CANT afford to heat his house.. He had a 3000 dollar apple computer. Internet and his screen saver was his brand new truck that was sitting in the driveway. A 35 thousand dollar Chevy truck.. whats up with that?. I dont have an Apple computer. I dont have a brand new truck. Never have. But I can budget and heat my house with out help.. I think he could too if he HAD too.. Im jut saying. I think there is tolerance for moderate fraud. This fund is supposed to be for people who CANT afford to heat their house.. Im not sure that the people that REALLY need it are getting it.. This was on the local news.. RIght in front of god and everyone to see.. Im not blind. I can see whats right in front of me.. But im not sure others can!!
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Bingo
exactly my point.. It was obviously his truck. It was on his computer. And the outside shot of the house clearly showed that truck in front of his house.. So there ya go.. Verifiable income must be present .. I wonder if the HEAP program checks out the people receiving it. My next door neighbor has a couple living with him and his wife. Who works. He is ALWAYS bragging about how is oil has been paid for. While im sacking pellets he always makes the motion of turning up his thermostat to me.. I love this stuff.. Makes me want to turn him in.. 2 things. nothing would b done and he would know who did it. I actually like him. But he is clearly defrauding the system.
Well it just goes to show ya “No good deed goes unpunished”.
I think you should check the source of this story. I don’t believe it.
Covering your eyes and ears does not make the story untrue.
Theres a LOT of people Jennifer that either dont want to see .. or just CANT see it.. Dosnt mean its not there
Someone saying “I know a women who has ……” doesn’t make it true either.
Why don’t you just call him a liar! If you read his post you would know he spoke of his own experience so there is his source George.
Mainer said “I’d like to share an interesting story I learned in Maine.” That tells me the story is, at best, second hand. This doesn’t reflect upon the integrity of the person making the comment. However it does beg the question of who actually was the source and was it accurate. So I stand by my comment. To me this sounds like Tea Party hyperbole during an election year.
Here is another statistic!
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2009/05/13/politics/census-maine-oldest-whitest-state-in-nation/
You dont suppose they are related?
Maine’s cost of living is well below many of our border states, why are our medicaid expenses higher?
Where did you get your information that the cost of living is lower in the border states? Does it take into account that most of Maine does not have public transportation and that we usually have higher fuel bills? Statistics don’t lie, but statisticians do.
check cost of living in New Hampshire, Massachesettes etc. Come on people, you cannot completely deny facts just to put Govenor Lepage down!! GIVE ME A BREAK!!
Again, I ask you where you got your facts, because I am not seeing it. There are so many other variables that you really can’t make a proper comparison. I have relatives in NH. Show me the FACTS.
I also have relatives in NH and also in Mass and also in Connecticut. NH has zero sales tax, which means they are entirely reliant on income tax, property tax, etc. My sister’s property taxes blow my mind. I can tell you that in a DIRECT comparison. Maine comes in wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy under NH. If you would like to compare Connecticut then we can
REALLY see the differences. The weather is about the same in all three states so you cannot say we pay more for heat or plowing etc.
Here is a map of the US that shows where government entitlement money goes as a percent of income. I find it interesting that the parts of Maine that voted for Lepage are also the parts that collect the most money from the government.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/12/us/entitlement-map.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2
Maybe they want it to get better. Maybe they realize that the source of their poverty is progressive government.
We have had a progressive government since 1935 during which time we went from being a second world back water of a country to the most powerful nation in the history of the world.
If you right wing conservatives had your way we would still be living in caves rubbing two sticks together.
Our progressive government has nothing to do with our having become the most powerful nation in the history of the world. In fact, based on the example of European countries and what is happening to us now, a more accurate analysis would be that the more progressive policies a nation adopts the less powerful it becomes.
And you appear to have conservatives confused with environmentalists.
{ “I ask all of you, where is the outrage?” LePage said in a recent letter to legislators. “Maine Medicaid programs have grown at an unsustainable rate, and spending is out of control.”}
This is why you don’t elect a junk store manager.
Rather than cut benefits for people in need maybe you should find why they are in need and fix that problem ,like bolstering minimum wages and strengthening labor law!
Help them help themselves rather than throwing them to the streets!
“Maine Medicaid programs have grown at an unsustainable rate, and spending is out of control.”
And you dispute that?
The Republican Answer to Poverty!
Tax Breaks for the Rich!
Cut Entitlements,
Cut minumum wage!
Lower the age for children to work,
Break the unions!
Repeal the Affordable Health care act!
Destroy the EPA,
Gut the NLRB,
Tort Deform,
Ect Ect, Ect,
We really need some more room. Please post your address so we can come by and stay until we find someone else to take us in.
The Liberal answer to common sense!
Did you just have the word liberal and common sense in the same sentence?.. LMAO Now that like putting Liberal and AMBITION in the same sentence.. bet you cant do that LOL
Trust me it’s the LAST time you’ll hear it in this lifetime!!!! 8>
A guy with a little ambition got a job and paid his taxes so a liberal wouldn’t have to pay his….
Hows that?
You did well!!!! LMAO Very good job!!!
Hmm, 7 of the 10 richest states have Democratic controlled governments and 9 of the 10 poorest states are Republican controlled and 10 of the 10 poorest states are “Right to Work” states.
Why do Maine Republicans want to make the state poorer?
I like putting ‘liberal’ and ‘greed’ in the same sentence; self-serving and limousine are overused.
Phew…..feeling better now that you left that dump in so much space?
You are neither a Republican; nor are following the actions of other Republican governors who don’t all of the above and a lot more; AND ARE WELL SUPPORTED BY THE VOTERS.
Like the Republican governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan. I believe those 3 Republican governors are so well liked that they are facing recalls or the potential for recalls this year.
They will try with name calling and groaning lol
“like bolstering minimum wages and strengthening labor law!”
If you serious about that – maybe you should read this – which also takes on Romney .
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell020712.php3
Labor laws will never be strengthened by a guy who pays minimum wage.
And always weakened by someone who envies the pensions and health care benefits jealously guarded by the entrenched unions.
Oh sure, elect a history major from Colby who lives by crony politics; or a trust fund brat from Portland; or an elementary school teacher from Orono…..the only thing they know how to do is to ‘liberalize’ the benefits for their supporters and social service cronies.
Careful Gardener, if you make to many true, common logic posts they’ll slam your flag button and yell NO WHAMMIES!
The states that had more spending than Maine, CA, NM, LA are all immigrant states, and NM, LA and Vermont like Maine are welfare States. There is obviously no outrage because this was perpetrated by a Liberal Government. Now that a Conservative Government has the purse strings it is their fault we are in trouble. Grow up people and let us work for each other and quit this pulling in 2 directions. We are in big trouble and we have to solve whatever is broken.
This is an interesting article. I moved my family back to Maine a little over a year ago. I got a new job and promotion, and had to get insurance on my own because my company’s payroll group does not do business in ME!
So I had to shop for insurance myself. I started with a couple of online quotes, only to find out that all 6 of the companies would not insure people in Maine! Frustrated, I went to the Maine Government Health website, which had several sponsored links to Insurance groups in Maine. Interestingly enough, all 3 links are to companies that will NOT insure you in MAINE!
By the time I finally found companies who WOULD insure you in Maine, the cost for a policy for a family of 4 with no significant health issues was $1500 a month on AVERAGE! This was WAY higher than it was in the previous state I lived in. When I asked the agents why this was, the answer was overwhelmingly, “Maine makes it difficult to do business as a health insurance group with quirky rules.”
After 16 different quotes, sorry no Maine, and excuses on price, I FINALLY found a group that was reasonable to the tune of %50 off of the company averages I had been quoted. Stranger still, this quote was NOT offered to me by ANY IN STATE company.
I bring this up as it is a preface to this article. I am in favor of drastically changing the Medicare costs, and qualifications for acceptance. However, when the state’s own resources lead you to places that won’t work with Maine, and when the costs of doing so are so high as to cause a person to give over nearly %33 of your monthly income for something you may not use frequently if at all in some cases, then it makes the stay unemployed and on Medicare option seem less expensive, and more attractive than getting a job and working to EARN your way.
When I went through the frustration of obtaining insurance up here, I wrote the Governor and his staff with my experience, and all I asked for were the Governor’s plans to address this issue overall, I was sent a standard email stating that my email would be responded to in 30 days or less. (I have still not received an answer)
If we want to address the state dependence issues that we have as a state, we are going to have to address the state’s excessive fines, taxes, and rules that cause many good companies to NOT do business in Maine as employers or as insurers. This is the ONLY way for Mainers to physically witness the changes and be inspired to make changes themselves. Just SLASHING a budget with no course correction for the root of the problem shows a short sightedness and band-aid solution mentality. I need to see more progressive oriented solutions from this government, not just a slash and dash policy agenda.
One of the issues that folks voted for, was to open up Health Insurance to out of state companies and give Anthem BC & BS some competition. It doesn’t look like they can make many changes now, due to the rules and regulation of PPACA (ObamaCare).
Maine has lack of competition and also forces ins companies to cover stuff that other states don’t.
Frank, all great points. I am neither a Democrat nor a Repbulican, partly because their ideologies get in the way of their logical thinking. Cost and competition is merely one part of the equation (all be it a large part).
My other concern is the lack of response from an elected official to a voter asking for policy or direction from that leader. It wasn’t a gripe, it was a statement of fact followed by a request for information. ANY STAFFER should have been able to send me some literature! Follow that with the fact that the STATE GOVERNMENT’s own website on healthcare in Maine lists NO accurate information, and you get a pretty good idea that this governor is focused on the budget slash as opposed to focusing on the solution to the root of the problem. Translation? THEY HAVE NO ANSWER OR IDEA BEYOND THE BUDGET SLASH!
When you bring these programs into check (which they DO need), what will you do with the savings and eventual surplus from the money saved? Controlling expenditure is great, but must be met with an increase in NEW revenue, not just the status quo. NEW business is the best way to generate that new revenue! Currently, it is too expensive to do business in Maine unless you are a big box store that devalues labor and quality, freeing up the funds to simply appease hidden revenue states like Maine.
I went through the same procedures and ended with the same disbelief, about 14-16 years ago and then again about 6 years ago.
When Obama opened up the White House to AARP and Insurance companies and had no transparencies, I knew that they would fail as it did with Hillary.
‘to open up health insurance’ is a bit misleading. there’s no law stating that only 2 companies can offer health insurance in maine. the problem in maine is with over-regulation of the market, encouraging a ‘cost sharing’ mentality which only costs more for everyone in the long run.
You get what you pay for. “Maine makes it difficult to do business as a health insurance group with quirky rules.” Yes, quirky rules such as being forced to cover breast exams, that sort of thing. Consequently it cost’s more in Maine because Maine demands better service. Want to fix this? Vote for a national universal healthcare plan.
Vote for a national universal healthcare plan? No thanks I’ll vote American!
Vote American, what’s that?
For profit insurance companies whose sole purpose is to try to not pay any claims and to make the client fight to get coverage that they have been paying for?
For insurance companies to drop any client that costs them to much?
For an insurance company to check your medical history to try to find a mistake in your medical history that you made so they can drop you?
Nice try, but nope.
By all means tell us what Vote American means in regards to healthcare then
Vote for a national universal healthcare plan? No thanks I’ll vote American!
It would be just soooo un-American to have a healthy populace with universal access to quality healthcare.
You mean like the Canadians and the Europeans?
You were talking about socialt mdeicine right?
First-world nations have universal health insurance. Third World countries, like the US is becoming, do not.
Use of the word “socialist” or “socialized” (etc) doesn’t frighten me.
A nation that does not ensure universal access to primary care services and medical treatments is a nation that promotes ill-health. A weakening nation.
Then why are all of your socialized medicine countries moving away from or changing their programs? It’s because they can only provide limited substandard care or their plans are unsustainable. Here’s a clue Liz, Why am I seeing tour bus loads of Canadiens pulling up in front of Sams Club and running straight to the pharmacy?
Actually, what’s generally seen is Americans heading across the border to Canada for lower-cost medications.
As for universal healthcare-type policies providing substandard care. I disagree. Think of the tends of millions of Americans who have no health insurance at all; the additional millions who can afford only “catastrophic” coverage they can’t use for preventive care (and must pay out of pocket for virtually everything non-catastrophic); the millions who discover their expensive plans with for-profit insurers don’t cover their needs (medical costs are a mjor cause of bankruptcy in the US); and those who get dropped by their insurer when they become ill–then can’t find new insurance due to pre-existing condition.
Take a look at this article [http://www.salon.com/2009/09/28/kidney_disease/]. It’s called, “I love my socialist kidney.” It’s by an American who was fortunately able to tap into an American “socialized” program–
He writes that when he developed severe kidney disease, “delivery of Obama’s campaign promise of universal healthcare suddenly became very personal and urgent rather than simply a political goal for me… A few weeks into my ordeal, however, I learned that my diagnosis qualified me for a little-known existing “public option,” or government health insurance plan…
He adds, “The story of the Medicare End-Stage Renal Disease (ESRD) Program is illustrative of a government plan compelling private insurers to cover more Americans than they ever did when induced solely by market forces or their own good intentions. .. This history also presents a cautionary tale of how profit-driven forces chipped away at Medicare ESRD’s effectiveness, resulting in higher treatment costs and worse patient outcomes (compared with those of other industrial nations) for the 506,000 ESRD patients in the U.S. today.”
Thanks for the info but it is little argument for universal health care in America. IMHO
Possibly you have excellent health insurance from a for-profit insurance corporation. Possibly you trust that it will cover all the care you will need if and when you have a serious accident or illness. Possibly, for that reason, you do not care whether or not others have similar access to healthcare.
How close are my guesses?
1. No, I have fantastic health insurance from two non-profits.
2. yes I do. But when you look at the fine print, one of them is capped at 7.5 million then the other one kicks in. (like my rotten ol butt is worth it ;>)
3. wrong again
Your grade? 0% please guess again.
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
No European countries nor Canada moving away from National Healthcare, their citizens would not stand for an American style healthcare system.
In fact China is starting up a National Healthcare system in teh near future because even the Chinese realize the value of having all their citizens health taken care of.
Did you know that if you were a peasant from the countryside and needed healthcare in Shanghai you would need to travel back to your rural village to get it.
Where do you suppose they go then for an MRI?
Good I don’t remember trying to force it down their throats like Obama and his minions have forced social medicine down ours…
So-called Obamacare is nowhere near socialized medicine and all the hyperbole in the world does not make it so.
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
That might work in the UK And yes I think a lot of them should be committed but I don’t think it’s going to be sustainable, I hope it works out for them.
Now it seems to me that you folks got what you’re asking for when you got Obamacare am I correct?
Might work ? Has been working to very good advantage for decades. Yes, when the Affordable Health Care Act is completely implemented our country’s citizens will be much better for it.
I’m sure it will after the U.S. Supreme Court gets through shredding it to make it look like a document created by a democracy.
yes, quirky rules… like requiring nuns to pay for maternity care. cost sharing doesn’t work. I’d much rather pay more for maternity care for a year than to have to pay significantly more for the rest of my life for guaranteed coverage.
Yes, let everyone in the country share in the high health care and insurance cost that we have here in Maine.
And under Obamacare you are going to get your wish.
You are so right. Maine is so business UNfriendly that it is ridiculous. Everyone wants jobs but they want to regulate the snot out of every type of business that is created in this state. I love Maine and do not want to live anywhere else but something needs to be done and I want to keep some of my own money that I make and stop paying for freeloading infividuals that don’t want to work.
You need to understand, ” progressive oriented solutions from this government” are what caused this problem in the first place.
Further proof that the Democrats and Liberals are bent on poverty as a constituency The more taxpayers spend on entitlements the greater the dependency. The Liberals and Democrats need a dependent under educated voting bloc to stay in power as they offer little else.
I think that it is further proof that the Nazi Tea Party wants to restrict voter rights: for instance, we have plainly seen before our own eyes how republicans handle elections, something as simple as caucuses becomes a national event, which it never has before. Items such as voter registration, and their ill fated voter ID bill comes into mind, now we can see how the Tea Party republicans (I will not include all, because that would not be fair) handle their elections. They announce a victor, the one that the upper echelon desires, before two counties have even caucused?
Let me ask you this, how is it that democrats garner “under educated voting blocs” when the Republican party is doing this? And by stating as such, and you being one to quickly blame democratic majorities, what are you saying about Maine voter’s? What they are “under educated”? Come November, you’ll get your “education”
you are calling LePage a junk store manager? hmhhhh have you ever worked?
I not only worked 60 hrs per week for 30 + years but I Paid My Taxes without the
“””Tears”””!
Well we choose not to just pay blindly and without accountability .. I work some hard for that money and I dont want to just see it given to anyone with reason. I applaud you for working all those years and if you choose to give it away without caring where it goes thats your choice. Good for you.. I on the other hand would like to be sure the ones who need it the most are the ones getting it. Im not for a free for all mail box stuffing.. Maybe if we didnt have to pay so much we might not have to work so hard and maybe enjoy some of the time to live like we provide for SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many.. Wheres our free time?.. Im paying my taxes too. I work 3 jobs.. I dont have tears.. but im angry as he*& about it.
Great! now if you can convince all your dem-liberal readers we can all move on. Good luck with that by the way, GO GET EM PAUL!
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We should not endorse CUTS just because of statistics,
these statistics show a problem ,
identify the SOURCE of the problem,
not cut the Remedy!
DUH!
When we went after polio did we throw the diseased out on the street or did we { attack the virus }?
Remember the cheering crowds of Republicans at the debates, cheering for death if you did not have health care, cheering for hate when one of our veterans was gay.
The Roman coliseum crowds had nothing or that crowd.
It is Scary!
You said “We should not endorse CUTS just because of statistics, these statistics show a problem”.
I submit that you should find some better statistics. You sound like a Pelosi parrot, remember “We have to pass this Bill so we can find out whats in it”?
You sound like a Fox!
It sure does show a problem!
The problem is that the 1% have a death grip on their money!
They would rather spend Millions in Brainwashing Campaigns than pay a guy a fair wage!
Well someone certainly has you brainwashed judging from you reply! Your 1% argument isn’t attached to the cuts that need to be made to the wefare system in Maine except you think they should be the ones to pay for them.
If you edit with a ” heart string puller”whine, do you think your debuked post will gain any legitimacy by anyone other than your bleeding heart liberal buddies?
Didn’t Jesus say “feed the hungry”? If a person has no food, no shelter, or their children are sick, it does not solve the problem to take away what we provide.
Where are the religious, or are they all trying to prove they cannot go through the eye of a needle?
Greed, envy, hate, and lies will not earn you respect from anyone that matters.
P.S. Throw out the money changers (Wall St.) and stop blaming those who are the victims.
Individuals join religious groups… the government does
not.
Please explain the logic as to why Leftists expect the
government to affirm with tax dollars the words of Jesus Christ when their insulting
mantra is “We are not a Christian nation!”.
“Where are the religious?”
Individuals who desire to feed and clothe the needy make
donations to the church, temple or any other Lord’s house of their individual choice
all the time, just as they always have done
in quiet, respectful ways but judging from your post you most likely have never
met them.
I don’t mind feeding the hungry, healing the sick, sheltering the children. I’d raise the dead but that’s not my job. But if one of them frauds or abuses the system then it’s time to be the Bad guy and put them in the streets to fend for themselves.
Proverbs 19:15
Laziness brings on deep sleep, and the shiftless go hungry
Proverbs 20:17
Food gained by fraud tastes sweet, but one ends up with a mouth full of gravel.
Im not going to stay in the way of Jesus.. If he wants to feed the poor etc etc etc.. By alllllll means.. We need a break… Ill bet he wouldnt be happy about people telling him they were poor and turned out they wasnt.. It may be a hot place they would go rather then 8 by 8 room we would put them in…
I strongly suspect that the Governor has been right on most of the nonpolitical statements that he’s made as well as social benefit program costs. It’s only human nature and personal bias that prevents some from admitting that the Governor is likely correct to either themselves or others.
Politics isn’t about being right, it’s about people and compromise. His actions have everyone concluding that he isn’t being honest and truthful. People don’t call other people a bully without reason. And many people have cried for recall legislation. He is the only governor that has ever proposed that his administrations papers should be exempt from scrutiny, why? He and Charlie Webster have made our state look foolish.
Please read my post again. I purposefully ruled out any political statements that have been made by the executive branch.
I understand that Igallant, and realize that you were not being political, my comment was directed towards the governor and not your post. I’m sorry if I used your post to say that, but you were the only one who mentioned right and wrong. But if the governor could not give the actual numbers to the committee, which resulted on them finding them out on their own, I’m not about to believe any more numbers coming out of his mouth
Sorry but I havn’t heard tell of many “actual numbers” being sent his way either.
the numbers….are located in his own department’s budget. what he does not include, is payments to creditors, payments that his department was responsible for, hence his “crisis”…and his “solution”……..he didn’t fool anyone. He was a poor boy from Lewiston who is upset that no one gave him a thing…….and blames the state of maine for it.
That’s the problem nowadays. Politics is not about compromise, it is about selecting (voting) a representative who will take those ideas the voter agrees with and perform those duties. Our Governor is doing exactly what the majority of Mainers voted for him to do. I would be very upset if he went against his ethos, because as an informed voter, these are the policies that got my vote and ultimately him elected. The beauty of our system of government is that we get to choose again.
This governor, got 38% of the vote, if it weren’t for a 3 way race, we wouldn’t have him. Secondly, the majority of Mainer’s know what he is has become, and what he has become is not what they were told. For instance, he campaigned on a “transparent” government, but yet has proposed and demands that his and his department’s working paper’s are privilidged…….the only governor out of 73 to actively pursue such a thing. He blames schools for not providing skilled labor and indicated that too much emphasis is being placed on college, yet he threatened school funding if he didn’t get his way with this bill? He, is all over the place but Maine people are seeing where his priorities are, and they are not ours……they are his, and that’s unacceptable.
I guess all of the other sources of information are either simply ignored or just brushed aside. And besides, knowing that his plan, if passed, would result in the fed’s not granting a waiver and therefore withholding federal monies (which pay everything up to .36 cents on the dollar), he seems to think that the more he pushes, the more likely he will get his way.
His knowing about this since last February, and then doing nothing until this past December, his actions throughout this whole ordeal: the Forbes magazine falsehood, threatening education cuts, disrupting the appropriations committee has resulted in his tarnishing his executive integrity and truthfulness. These sit squarely upon his shoulder’s no one else’s. His proposal is dead, he needs to move on to other matters. GIVE IT UP PAUL! what goes around comes around. Your thug politics are costing you and your party dearly.
Edited by poster.
Before looking at the facts and figures being bandied about and the different interpretations placed on them I have a problem. Given the totality of the impressions I have received from observing the first year of the penguin’s first year in office, my first instinct is to discount anything he says. I would not trust this man to put air in my tires much less take hold of a state beset with such problems and offer solutions thereto. His credibility is zero.
So you have said time and time and time zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Good point! Its not making him any better is it.
Lol Aint doing much for you either.
Sure it does. I get to honk my horn at the all the Wrong Way Corrigan’s of this world. I’ll never lack for targets. And all for free. Thanks BDN. :)
Haha I like that, Ya get to toot your own horn! WWwwhhheeeeeeeeeee!
I respect your opinion.. but.. I have to hand it to Mr Lepage.. He can add and subtract.. Which is a heck of a lot more than about any liberal can do
I would have to disagree with you on this antilib………..Liberals can subtract really well!! FROM MY PAYCHECK!
The Republican Plan for Poverty!
Give the Rich a Tax Break!
The Democrat plan for fraud and waste!
More taxes!
fraud? Ok, then what happened with the repub. caucus? What’s happening with the Treasurer? What’s up with the governor not giving the Appropriation committee all of the pertinent numbers? What’s up with the governor trying to secure his administration’s papers?
Waste? why is the governor expanding state government and making it less transparent ?
Guess Paul doesn’t want us to know what his bills are and how much it costs us for him to be the governor..
Not even close to what I was saying Rus. I was talking about things such as providers overcharging Maincare, Mothers getting benefits when their boyfriends are supporting them, false applications for Section 8 housing. Need I say more because the list keeps going and going…
thats certainly not the way your point of view you portrayed : “the democrats plan for more fraud and waste”?, more taxes?? No one has talked about increasing taxes, no one has talked about anything other than trying to reduce this “problem”…..only the governor has spoken about what they are doing wrong, he doesn’t mention, ever, …..what they are doing right.
I meant what I said and the Taxes I’m talking about are your dem.s’ demand to tax the 1% so they can pay for your welfare programs. remember? Try to keep it context.
and, like LePage…..you don’t answer the question…..you just find a stick, an old one, to fight with.
Excuse me but I’ve answered your every post so don’t get so indignant if you are to simple minded to understand. As for your stick remark, I don’t need a stick against an intelligently unarmed man.
You guys make me laugh. You are discussing pennies while the top people in both parties are walking away with the store.
WAKE UP
Well they gathered up a few of those pennys by recovering $2 million in overpayments in 2011, but they believe there was actually $4 million in overpayments.
In 2010, DHHS fielded 1,200 reports of possible welfare fraud and abuse. In 2011, the number of reports nearly doubled to 2,100. I was always taught that you have to have a penny before you have a dollar! BTW your sanctimonious gramatical style is a real hoot! Now say something intelligent for once.
You really need to watch the news. Several democratic legislators have proposed raising the sales tax by a penny, or 20%, to “solve” the problem.
The RICH don’t NEED a TAX BREAK…..!
Democrats are the party of no answers.
I don’t agree…Democrats always seem to have one answer that never gets old – amongst themselves, anyway – spend the money we don’t have and then raise taxes to make up the difference.
Good point
You forgot to add; as long as we don’t have to.
Ronald Reagan signed into law the biggest tax hike in US history one of the taxes was a first time ever tax on Social Security benefits.
George Herbert Walker Bush passed the second largest tax hike in the history of the US including a tax on imported oil which we are still paying, even on oil from Canada.
The third largest tax hike was signed into law by Dwight Eisenhower to pay for the Marshall plan and the Interstate Highway system.
The Republicans had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table to keep the payroll tax cut for the middle class.
I have news for those who are not watching closely. One thing both parties can join together to do is to steal from those who go out to work for their money.
OK thanx for the history lesson, how about an update?
In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families. These will all expire on January 1, 2011:
Personal income tax rates will rise. The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:
– The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15% – The 25% bracket rises to 28% – The 28% bracket rises to 31% – The 33% bracket rises to 36% – The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%
Second Wave: Obamacare
There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:The Tanning Tax. This went into effect on July 1st of this year. It imposes a new, 10% excise tax on getting a tan at a tanning salon. There is no exemption for tanners making less than $250,000 per year.The “Medicine Cabinet Tax” Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).Should I go on?
Maine has a higher than average Medicaid coverage rate.
Maine also has a very high fire department coverage rate, a high police protection rate, and even a high road snow plowing coverage rate.
Health care should be available to all. Maine’s higher than average Medicaid coverage rate makes us more like all other developed countries in the world.
It’s normal for citizens to be free from worry over whether they or their family can get healthcare. It’s the US with it’s profit driven health care industry that is out of step.
Germany – Conservatives (CDU) in charge – universal health care.
Britain – Conservatives in charge – universal health care.
France – Conservatives (UPM) in charge – universal health care.
Canada – Conservatives in charge – universal health care.
Interestingly though, the UK is now finally starting to allow private healthcare insurance. Private healthcare is already available for the rich in Canada. It seems that the more the government gets involved in healthcare – the more expensive it gets !
“Qu’ils mangent de la brioche”,
What’s cake got to do with anything faible d’esprit ?
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Why do you suppose there was no bread??
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/10/111003-science-climate-change-little-ice-age/
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Ice-Age-Climate-1300-1850/dp/0465022723
Basically because of their culture the French would rather starve than eat potatoes in those times.
Don’t get to hung up on the cake thing.
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As I said it was a cultural issue. They refused to plant potatoes. Read my links. Brian Fagan actually links the French Revolution to climate change. The fact that wheat and Rye no longer grew was a reason there was no bread.
You better hush up, I’m starting to like you!!!!
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FWIW –
Let Them Eat Cake; er, Brioche. Oh, Nevermind…
Despite what you’ve heard, Marie Antoinette never said ‘Let them eat cake’
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/dubiousquotes/a/antoinette.htm
You are correct she said “If they have no bread why do they not eat cake?” which shows how out-of-touched the French royalty was with the working class French reality. Almost like G.H.W. Bush marveling at the supermarket scanner which at the time was a ten-year-old devise.
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
You really should make a separate post instead of updating a previous post with significant new information.
Most of the counties you site are changing their system. They know it is unsustainable and if they don’t get things under control they will look like Greece. In case you missed it the utopia for Europe is over.
As we rush headlong toward it the Europeans are rushing the other way.
In a lot of cases the unsustainability is due in large part to the aging of the population(Japan,etc.)The system as set up is flawed and the big Obama/R mistake was removing lifetime caps as well as not taxing ALL earned income for SS/Medicare.
I’d have no problem with what you suggest, even though that is only a “stopgap” suggestion. The new payroll tax cut for business and workers is only contributing to the overall problem.
Absolutely true,but it’s an election year so the goodies have to be handed out loudly.
I’ve seen nothing saying that any of these Conservative countries are moving away from universal health care.
If they were, they’d have gotten to it long before now. All of these Conservative Governments have been in power for at least four years, some for eight.
I know you wish what you write to be fact. However, as so often has been the case, it is not.
If so, then why is it a big deal now that some higher ups now get UK PRIVATE health insurance ! Canada has allowed some private health care for a while.
As I understand it, these people are buying health insurance for coverage beyond the government’s universal health care, not in place of it.
Universal health care provides a minimum.
Correct – the rich get the full and complete healthcare package. Seems that’s a complaint that democrats keep throwing at the republicans. Hmmmmm .
What the Dems are doing is destroying healthcare for the middle class.
So public hospitals were a great deal, eh; their rightful name was the pauper’s hospital. Were it not for religious orders they would have been just ghastly; but you liberals drove out the religious orders and people only work for money and benefits not spiritual reasons guided by their religious beliefs.
In essence, your secularization ruined American Health care….so complete the job, socialize it as well!
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
That is the whole point about socialized universal health care. It provides a “minimum”. In other words care is RATIONED.
In the UK rich people buy private health insurance so they can get good health care. But the system is set up so that if you do buy health care beyond what is provided by the free system then you are cut off from that free system. Poor and even middle class citizens of the UK really have no choice but to accept the rationed and often second rate care of the public system.
But my conservative way of thinking “when you provide only minimums, you also provide maximum problems”
It provides way more than ‘a minimum’.
Private health care has ALWAYS been available in these countries for those who can afford it and want services beyond what their governments provide. This is not a new phenomenon. Good health care coverage for all citizens continues to very good effect.
I believe in the not too distant past, all UK had to use NHS including politicians. But here’s where google is your friend.
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The NHS in the UK is mandatory. What I mean is that your taxes will pay
for it if whether you use it or not. It is not an opt in or out option.
(in fact there are enough bloody moochers on the NHS that do not pay taxes!)
You will need to register yourself with your nearest GP (General
Practitioner). Even if you have Private Health Insurance (which I would
recommend!)
You will only be able to claim on your health if you go though a GP first.
PM me for more questions of this nature, as I’m sure the others on this board will start to tear you to shreds soon
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Thank you, I think. I am contributing factual information where I see deliberate misinformation.
It seems that you have or know others who have not fared well under other countries policies.
I know many who have had wonderful care in the countries mentioned above, moreover aside from either one of our anecdotal evidence it has been well documented that we are way behind these other countries in providing health care to our citizens. And we are spending much more money than they are. It is frightening to see so many posters who do not know what they are talking about.
You either don’t know how to use the computer or your reading list sucks!
Both the ECONOMIST and the TORONTO GLOBE & MAIL have long chronicled the privatization and problems with socialized health care.
Go look them up, it’s good ‘medicine’ for your atrophied brain.
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
You don’t recall riots in Greece labor problems in France?? Labor Problems in the UK?
Where have you been the last decade?
That is because none of them are backing away from universal health care.
I’ve spent time in the eu. They love universal health care and they are in no way moving away from it. Your spreading a lie that the Heritage society is spreading because they what us to die once our working life ends.
I’ve been around a bit also. But since you know all. Please tell me why there have been protests and strikes in France and the UK and other countries over the past several years over austerity measures? Do these changes involve the medical system? Be honest.
You sarcastic conservative types always set up fake arguments and then demand the other person prove your wrong.
If you really knew anything about EU problems with their healthcare system you would have profs but since you don’t know anything about it you play mind games.
Next?
I didn’t see you back up any of your claims with “facts”.
You attacked me. It is up to you to show us something that proves the EU wants to get rid of their healthcare system. Of course you can’t because you statement isn’t true.
From Britain’s Conservative Party web site:
“We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay.
We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year.
We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care. “
Here is an excerpt from the Britain’s Conservative Party web site:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay.
We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care. ”
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http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Health.aspx
These folks who post under “pen names” are free to say anything with no accountability. The truth is the truth and the EU is not giving up universal health care, because their industry can not afford to.
The riots in France are largely about the raising of retirement age, and the protests in Greece are about vacation time, pregnancy benefits, and the end of subsidized rent, energy, and food.
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2012/02/20/cameron-committed-to-nhs-reforms-84229-30369085/
Protests this weekend that British PM David Cameron is trying to privatize British Healthcare.
And it will never happen in England or any European country because the people will not stand for a profitized healthcare system. The MP’s know they will lose the next election if they try to change to a profitzed healthcare system, even the Tories know that.
The thing is, despite what you claim, in certain segments of those countries privatization is gaining inroads. It won’t happen all at once… but it is the only way out.
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
David Cameron has been a disaster for the U.K. by ALL accounts.
Maggie Thatcher, arguably the most conservative prime minster since Churchill supported Universal health care and touted it as a way to help business cut labor costs.
Pretty sure that the NHS was quite entrenched, way before Thatcher !
Ah yes, but Churchill believed in Universal health care also.
You are correct and because the EU has universal health care which costs them considerably less than our system before the Affordable Health Care Bill does the people in these countries are much better off even in the face of the recession/depression that they are experiencing now. The businesses are also better off because they do not have the burden of health care on their backs.
Greece is another matter entirely, but the financial issues in Europe do not come from the cost of their health care.
CC, this conversational Houdini knows very well his own lack
of credibility and attempts to twist himself out of uncomfortable spots whenever
confronted with the truth of his own falsehoods.
The verifiable international truth is that Europe
is being economically crushed due to the costs of the social programs they have
spawned in order to gain favor. Everyone else knows the truth but most who
still try to carry these million pound monkeys on their back usually just try
to ignore the reality rather than post falsehoods on the internet.
I’m sure our friend will respond with another friendly volley… right, LW?
You sound a little paranoid.
Maybe she’s paranoid, but then maybe she’s paying attention. Some years ago Governor Lamb of Colorado (a Democrat) mentioned that because of the expense older people had a duty to die when catastrophic health care bills were being incurred.
Sometimes “Facts” can make a person paranoid.
Canada (Universal health care) is doing very well, in fact better than ever.
Sweden (Universal health care) is doing very well.
Denmark, Brazil, Kuwait, (Universal health care) all doing very well. Some of these countries even looking to EXPAND their coverage.
However the countries mentioned by Jason United Kingdom & France are looking for ways to cut services. Some have led to riots in the streets as they have cut back social services. Germany with a strong frugal economy and Canada that is backing industrial expansion particularly in Alberta also has a strong economy. The UK & France with larger economic problems are looking at and have changed delivery systems and in Britain in particular private plans are more widely sought because of the long waits for patients to see a GP.
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
Even on wiki there’s sections about it
About 27.6% of Canadians’ health care is paid for through the private sector. This mostly goes towards services not covered or only partially covered by Medicare, such as prescription drugs, dentistry and optometry. Some 75% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance; many of them receive it through their employers.[37] There are also large private entities that can buy priority access to medical services in Canada, such as WCB in BC.
The Canadian system is for the most part publicly funded, yet most of the services are provided by private enterprises
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
http://timelymedical.ca/ – see wait times and costs ..
Healthcare in England – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_England
Here’s an excerpt from the United Kingdom’s Conservative Party web page:
We are committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not the ability to pay. We want to free NHS staff from political micromanagement, increase democratic accountability and give patients the power to choose the treatments that are best for them.
We are increasing investment in the NHS year after year. We are cutting the cost of NHS administration by £4.5 billion and reinvesting this money to support doctors and nurses on the front line. We are putting patients in charge of making decisions about their care.
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy
Psst: Hey Jason do you realize you have made this post 8 times? And still you can only get 1 person to like you!!!!! Why not save your bandwidth or are you on dial-up.
Sorry But I dont think a socialist goveernment should be allowed to run our healthcare because it doesn’t work for anyboddy except the government.
What about the public schools? I have no blood related children, so why should I pay for those who do?
Because I as a taxpayer paid for yours possibly? Y/W BTW
Nope My mother and father paid the total cost of my education. So you gonna write me a check?
Because your Mom and Dad got gyyped? I don’t think so!
They didn’t think so. What about you, you gonna ask for a refund of your charm school dollar?
Now don’t get your pantys in a bunch but my folks paid taxes and got no refund. Feel better?
I from an older generation, one in which most men did not wear “panties” (or pantys) I am proud to continue that tradition.
Boxers…..if you are interested.
So abolish Eastern Maine Med. and watch how fast the best health care professionals leave and in turn health care will deteriorate, until even you can’t be cured.
In all of these countries there are two-tiered health care systems…one public offering modest care, and the other offering either very good care or portable reimbursement for services rendered in, say the US.
Well if the statistics don’t lie, why isn’t everyone on board for reforms? This time politics cannot win, go get ’em Lepage.
when his new guidelines effect a close family member of his then people will see a different side of him ohh sorry he wants to hide certian things from us too
Ahhhh you can read a persons mind?
I bet your prophesy doesn’t show him running off to Canada!
George Carlin said that i’ts a club that regular folks like us will never be allowed to join. Doesn’t really seem to matter from what side of the carousel you approach. ken
G** d*** it. The Gov. is right again!!! Don’t you just hate it when that happens?
Even a broken clock is right a couple times a day, doesn’t mean you don’t need a new clock though.
And you LePage haters sound like a broken record. %38, %38, %38, %38.
At least Maine is above average at something…
Like I have stated in the past, “what is covered” by MaineCare needs to be more controlled and run like an HMO with other than routine care needed prior authorization. There are needless things automatically authorized that persons who work for their insurance have to go through hoops to get covered, much of it cosmetic and unnecessary. And don’t tell me it’s not true, I work in an office where we can’t turn those patients away yet we wait months/years for payment.
so do I! and I find that unless you work in the field and watch it happening, people pretty much refuse to believe it is…. they have much better coverage than my BCBS plan that I have to pay big money for
And your word “abusers” is well chosen.It seems if you’re a druggie,prisoner or breeder in this state,life is wonderful.Job training,counseling,free this and that simply because someone made a mess of their precious life.I have exactly zero court appearances,zero children I haven’t paid for and zero uses of recreational drugs. That has gotten me exactly zero benefits.I guess I need a new plan-should be on Maury soon!
The majority did not vote for him.He received less than 2/5 of the vote and won by a fraction of a percent.
Yea, great(sarcasm) comment that has NOTHING to do with this article. Maybe if you liberals had stood behind your candidate she would have won. But that’s how you libs think, whatever happens to be your favorite flavor of the day.
The number is 38%, which is less than 2/5ths, but more than Angus or John got for their first run at the State House.
Do you suppose that the increased level of expenditure on Mainecare accomplished what proponents wanted, increased coverage and a healthier state? Maybe we got what we paid for. Now Governor LePage wants to reverse this, decreased coverage and a less healthy state. Maine, the Way Life Should Be – has that slogan been abandoned? Are we going to become Alabama North?
NH is also one of the older states in the US, they have significantly fewer people on Medicaid, and they are consistently ranked as one of the healthiest states. I know how much Mainers hate to admit it, but maybe, just maybe, you are causing more problems than you are fixing with your high welfare rates.
All I am saying, is give cuts a chance…..
How about we make access to abortion and contraception easier in poverty stricken areas? Then we would have fewer poor folks for which to care? …and we should definitely kick those children, born to drug addicted parents off medicaid.
Perhaps without this care they would die and decrease the surplus population. (apologies to Charles Dickens)
Christopher Reeves (Superman) was just one accident away from financial devastation, and he was a hell of a lot richer than most Washington County residents. I seriously wonder what would happen to these folks who support these cuts if they, or members of their family had a catastrophic disease.
My father (who died relatively fast) incurred $170,000 in health care bills in the year prior to his death. He had Medicare, his own private insurance, and was also covered on my mother’s plan, and the family was still in the hole for 10%.
The people of this State voted against allowing a physician to help people with terminal disease end their lives. The majority prevails. Now the majority has been presented with the bills. Maybe they will make a better choice next time.
I don’t think Maine’s problems lie in lack of services, especially contraceptive services. Maine’s problem lies in lack of decent paying jobs, and a tax system that sucks too much money out of working people’s pockets to put it into those who aren’t working. So, how about we become a state that welcomes business, educates kids to meet the demands of those businesses, and reduces the tax burden on working people so they can afford to save for emergencies. And then those who do find themselves in dire need, or faced with catastrophic circumstances…then the state could afford to assist them.
“you don’t think?” There are too many people having children with no intention of raising them. Our society has not one single problem which would not be greatly reduced by halving the current population of the planet.
A rarity. A reporter inadvertently swerves into facts.
LOL – I noticed that also and that it wasn’t a BDN staffer !
The truely needy merit to have their comments considered in these Maine Care proposed changes. Yes their are many individuals that abuse the system and I am for removing them. However, I happen to be a childless, single woman , who is disabled and very ill. I need to rely on the system. I have numerous physical ailments as well as suffer mentally with depression. I went to the drugstore last week to pick up some of my medications. I need to take 17 daily medications, three- as needed daily medications as well as purchase my diabetes insulin supplies. I was informed that I would need to pay variable amounts of copays. Please stop and think how much money that will impact on my social security disability check. Some political representatives-and you know who you are, say that the truely needy will not be affected. Wrong! I am proof of this misinformed government. Some critics of the Maine Care system judge some to be just plain Lazy people that don’t want to work and pay for their medical insurance. Wrong again! I used to have three part time jobs because I couldn’t find one fulltime job. As a matter of fact, I used to work for a Home Care Agency and was told by one of my patients-an 82 year old woman, that I shouldn’t be working because I was in worst physical health than she was. Again, I am really upset to be told that the real needy will not be affected by these proposed cuts. What should be done is to create a task force to find the fraud and abusers of the Maine Care System. It would be amazing to see the substancial savings this would create as well as giving some much needed jobs in the state. Savings would surpass any wages given to the workers in this task group.
HA TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!
figures lie, liars figure. lePage has shown from his campaign through his first year in office that he is the biggest liar in the history of Maine government. Can’t trust a thing coming from his mouth.
Yea these figures used in this article were created by LePage.-NOT! Take your hate for our great Gov elsewhere.
Right from the moment those famous words came out of his tea bagging mouth. “I am not involved with the Tea Party.”
Well this is what happends when the patients are treated as piece work at some of those clinics. 125.00 per visit. treat one problem at a time. if that and they want you to keep coming back. this is the game to keep those businesses going.
It’s all about greed now instead of healing.
The need is endless. The ability to pay is finite.
LiePages cuts are to deep, they affect medicine for the elderly and head start.
Is that all you can say about an admisnistration that is trying to get us out of hock.
Wake up!
Congratualtions to the BDN for reporting that Governor LePage was right on the numbers, like he has been on most everything else he has been trying to do to upright this sinking ship.
Is all you can be concerned about is yourself and not your elders and young children?
For a “Fact Check” article this is sadly lacking in critical thinking. How about providing demographics and further information about the statistics behind the claim. Simply saying “true” is lazy journalism.
I knew individuals going to the emergency room with a cold becuase they had MaineCare; then return a week later for more emergency care only to have the hospital pick-up the fare home in a taxi due to weather. Again being told you only have a cold. Their comment was it doesn’t cost me anything. Bottom line, if they were paying the bill they wouldn’t be making these choices. I would have to be on my death bed to run to the emergency room because I pay the bill. I realize there are people who need the help but there are to many playing the game and letting the tax payer pay their bills. This is wrong and its time to clean up the house. It’s time more than a few pick-up the tab…Maine is too expensive of a state to live in, I left for that reason. It is interesting to read the comments in this blog; there are those who feel this act of socialism must continue no matter how much it is costing those picking up the tab…
This attitude actually started years ago and is only getting worse. In the 90’s I worked with a man who used the ER regularly for himself and his family. We actually had pretty good company paid for health insurance. His family did not have a regular family physician because it was too much effort. And why should he have to wait for an appointment. It didn’t help any that under our plan at that time ER visits, even if for non-urgent care, cost him nothing.
Just because we are higher than NEW Hampshire dosen’t mean we should cut people off at the legs. This smacks of AFP. There are more jobs in NH.
This link will take you to a interactive map showing what areas of the US get the most money from goverment benefits. It is interesting to see that the Republican controlled red states collect the most money.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/12/us/entitlement-map.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2
This link will take you to a interactive map that shows where most of the goverment benifit money is going.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/12/us/entitlement-map.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2 Interesting that it is the same areas that voted for Lepage that collect the biggest checks. Republican Red states get the most money nation wide to.
Makes sense as Maine is a cold state and also there is less preventative care transport access for many rural than some other states on the whole. States that have a lot of healthy kids on Medicaid would also likely spend less per person than states with higher populations senior or disabled on the plan.- are my guesses.
Mr. LaPage should be more focused on our eccomony and Jobs than on wellfare. If Maine People good earn a lining there would be les need for mainecare. However, when we see men working in the a jobs that usually only women do, such as Wal-Mart clearking then we got a problem. That problem is that there are no skilled jobs in maine in manufacturing, paper making, or any other industry that would afford that Maine People are making a wage that would support thmselves and their families. BRING IN INDUSTRIES IN WHICH WE CAN WORK AND MAKE A LIVING AND STOP THE BI**HING.
Typical Republican. Instead of going after the health care systems for driving the cost of health care up so high for profit and going after the health insurance companies for making health insurance too expensive for people he’s turning a blind eye to greed and blaming it on the innocent in all of this. What do you think LePage? They can feed their kids or they can get health insurance. Which is more important?
Like Scott Walker he must be getting ready to give our tax dollars to the Koch brothers. He’s been shadowing that jerk since his term started. Time to get a recall going I say!
lepage lives off of taxpayer money
This must have been tough for the BDN to report….god forbid Lepage claims correct facts….well the truth hurts.. the state is in rough shape and he inheirited a huge problem which will take a long time to fix.. hopefully we can begin to get facts from our media instead of spin.
Of course the medicaid rate is high:
We have an elderly population percentage larger than any other state.
Our industries are blue collar and considered dangerous (logging, fishing, construction)
The average wage for WORKING PEOPLE is low.
Many of these jobs pay no health care or retirement.
Finally our two poorest counties have an inordinately high rate of cancer.
I suggest LePage finance a study to find out why there is so much cancer down here.
So LePage wants to turn Maine into “The Below Average State.” At least we know he has a goal.
Maine is a poor state. In case you haven’t figured it out, that means that we have a lot of poor people . . .
Taking those people off MaineCare won’t stop them from going into hospital emergency rooms for medical care — care that would be cheaper at a non-emergency clinic. And the cost of that emergency room care will be passed on to everyone else in the form of higher hospital charges, because a hospital can’t refuse emergency care for people who can’t pay.
Figures lie and liars figure. by talking up the above average numbers mr LePage ignores the rest of the facts. The biggest is that Maine has the oldest population in the country, more than half of all medicaid spending, so a large number of recipients, are elderly and/or disabled. So perhaps Mr LePage’s plan to remove so many elderly and poor from Mainecare is a good idea, it will remove those people from the list of people with access to affordable decent health care, that will lead to shorter lifespans, and by killing off the poor and elderly the state’s population age will decrease leaving fewer people in need! While it might sound tongue in cheek, it is not. That would be the end result of Mr LePage’s plans.
Poor reporting. Of course Maine’s MaineCare expenses are higher than average. We are older sicker, poorer, less educated and less healthy than most other states. Cuts to MaineCare will only make this worse and shift costs to more expensive shelters, prisons and emergency rooms.
Re-read the story. Maine’s ranking on health increased from 16th, which is still above average, to 8th over the past decade. So, Maine was not all that much sicker than the rest of the nation, and today Maine is even less sick than the rest of the nation.
It amazes me how glibly people say Mainers are older, poorer, sicker, less educated. Where is your outrage? Why have Mainers settled for: letting their kids leave because of lack of opportunity, poor wages, inadequate health care and poor lifestyle habits, and inadequate education? Isn’t it time to change what has put you all there?
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Like many have said here… looking at only a part of a picture never tells the whole story. If Medicaid costs are to be compared state-to-state in order for this information to have any meaning at all one would also have to understand the why, not just the what. For a true and accurate picture LePage should also be comparing average wages, average unemployment, average age of citizens, and many other factors that would influence or impact the differing costs, i.e., are other states under funding their programs, is there a savings in prevention – because these increases were initiated 10 or more years ago some data must be available now. Without asking questions, doing research and truly understanding why Maine’s medicaid costs are higher than other states this “fact” is just meaningless information. Cutting costs for something that is not fully understood is never a good idea. It’s a quick “surface” fix but it is not likely be a real solution at all. It’s more like throwing darts at a budget to figure out what to cut. Many more questions need to be asked and answered. The first one being “Will LePage take the time to understand what he’s cutting before he does it or will he just cut without having any idea of the future impact of the cuts he makes?”
Cutting is painful but necessary to save the whole. Balancing the budget is a must. Not an easy job at all in this state as we know that our population is aging rapidly. Good news is alot of people are returning to work. I see it daily, his strong arm tactics is working. Those recieving welfare are being forced to find jobs. Many healthy people I see daily now are working in addition to their disability checks. Disability checks that they didn’t really need in the first place. Young people, younger then me, that just enjoy raising their crop and playing their computer games.
Lepage isn’t forcing elderly people into the work force. I care for an elderly man that is still getting all the benefits he has been getting all along and even recieved a raise this year. Not a big one, but a raise. Yes, the cost of living has gone way up, so he really didn’t get anything. Like the rest of us, he is surviving. Could he use more, of course he could. Would a democrat be able to give him more? In these budget times, I do not believe it possible. Not and balance the budget.
The answer to all of this if for the Gov to start growing jobs that pay more than $12 an hour. Until he manages to do that, the growth in income for the state will continues down and the safety net will be catching more people.
The reasons for the higher costs are simple to understand and very difficult to solve. The two biggest reasons: rural markets under-served and non-competitive; and we have the oldest population.
Solving these two fundamental challenges is next to impossible.
That said, we can improve competitiveness and innovation in care delivery with a public option. This will require insurers and care givers to seek efficiencies. Exchanges will help get more people covered but not necessarily foster efficiency. Private sector solutions do not help when the marketplace is non-competitive. A public option is the most effective way to foster competitiveness and innovation.
You can point to fraud as a major cost driver but that is not supported by facts. This is focusing on 1% of the costs and leaving the public distracted from addressing the 99% of the costs where leverage is possible.
Where’s my outrage for overspending on Medicaid?
I save it for overspending on war, corporate bailouts and Wall Street thievery.
Don’t miss another hidden part of that racket.If you areAm. Indian you get the phone for $3 a month.
It was $2 a month until Jan.1.When I paid my phone bill I asked the clerk why there were no signs indicating that option,I was told”If people knew,they’d kill us!”
Oh yes, American Indians have been so lucky.
You mean like the Kestrel jobs?Oh,wait…:(
Thank you very much :)
Greek civil servants could also retire at 53 before the changes.
Look up Charlie White-Indiana’s Sec. Of State-R.Convicted of voter fraud.
LePage is expanding state gov’t.It takes $$ to vet a new person in his admin every two weeks.
Thanks for some great points.I hope your health and finances improve.God Bless and prayers.
Gov. LePage’s comments were made on 12/15/11 and BDN is fact checking on 2/20/12? The power of the press has eroded and here’s another example why: they print, leave out and delay what ever suits their agenda. Sooner or later maybe the press will get it, people are on to their left wing, liberal bias. I am glad this was fact checked, too bad it took 67 days to do so…
Unfortunetly the missed the fact that this is an average cost, but there is a small number of people upping that average per person i.e. high utilizers. our population is different than some states as well, so you are comparing apples to oranges.
I would also want to see those states with less coverage what their health outcomes are, what the life expectency is, and costs in other areas such as prison, acute care costs/ER costs, health outcomes in the long run.
Takeaway line from the article: “but federal Medicaid officials have denied requests for enrollment procedure changes for Hawaii and Arizona.”.
Umm, free money?? Thanks, Obama.
Edited by poster because Disqus won’t put replies in the correct place.
Harry, I’d be the last to disagree with you on past Republican administrations’ tax increases. And you’ll also get no dissent from me when you say that *both parties* love to spend the country’s resources in large part to buy votes(that’s why earmarks became so popular). I remember when Eisenhower got the ball rolling on the Interstate system. At that time, the cold war was escalating and the Congress voted for it because it was a defense program(moving ABMs are much harder to take out than missiles in fixed silos).
This ain’t about statistics!
This is about a guy who ran for office with the promise to lower Taxes and Reduce Welfare benefits!
He did what he said he was going to do!
The problem is that he has made NO contigency plan for the people affected!
That is NOT Leadership!
That is Callousness!
This is my response to ( jeesh) who dared to make a judgement about my comment regarding the truely needy{yesterdays post} You are sooooo quick to judge me since I was stating the fact that the proposed Maine Care changes will definately affect the “truely needy” as it did in my case. You implied that I might not be so needy because since I have a computer, internet service, and electricity to run my computer . You begin your reply to my comment with “You poor Victim”
Your sarcasim,insensitivity, and your demeaning attitude should be kept in check before you make assumptions. Let me enlighten you as to how I came to “afford” a computer. It was donated to me by a kind individual at my church who wanted to upgrade his. Since he knew I did not have one, he generously donated his old one to me. As for internet service, it costs $40.00 per month which my brother and niece share in that cost. As for the electricity, how would you like to live without power?
Electricity is a need and I have to pay it like everyone else besides I need electricity for my breathing machine at night. I think that would qualify me as having a ” need ” for electricity. I hope this clears things up for you.
Wow!took a two day vacation and someone hijacked the BDN. An actual article that say’s Mr Lepage was right. Then after that huge gasp an article about the darling of the left Rosa. Was there a lighting storm or a buy out or something.Congratulations to the BDN for a day of reporting. It shows there is still hope in Maine.Thank you keep up the good work.