HAMPDEN, Maine — Bob Garcelon stopped in mid-step, looked up at the gray sky, and thought a few seconds when asked what the prevailing mood was among employees at the U.S. Postal Service Eastern Maine Processing and Distribution Facility on Thursday afternoon.

“It’s just frustrating right now. That’s all it is,” said the Hermon resident, who has been a mail handler at the facility for the last 17 years.

Garcelon was one of the 183 employees who were told Wednesday night that the processing part of the facility would be closed — leaving Maine with one processing facility in Scarborough and only 13 employees remaining at the Hampden plant after a consolidation process is completed in July.

One clerk who started sorting mail back at the old location on Harlow Street in Bangor and has been a clerk for 18 years was asked if confusion was the main feeling.

“Hell, no, it’s frustration — anger,” said the clerk, who didn’t want to be identified. “We might have had 60 or so people here when they told us. We were stunned. It was just silence. There was nothing. When it came time for questions and answers, there weren’t a lot of questions. We were just stunned.”

And a day later?

“We don’t understand why,” said the clerk, who travels to work from Ellsworth and back each day. “Why?”

Tom Rizzo, spokesman for the U.S. Postal Service Northern New England District, said the consolidation resulted from a USPS nationwide study of 264 processing facilities that started last August in response to a 25 percent decline in first-class mail volume since 2006.

“Of those, 212 facilities went through the area mail processing study process, and of those, 183 were found feasible to consolidate totally or in part,” said Rizzo.

Two processing facilities in New England have been slated for closure: Hampden and White River Junction in Vermont.

After the processing facility is closed, the Hampden plant will still have three functions: as the location for Bangor letter carriers to pick up and bring mail, as a “dock operation transportation hub” through which mail to and from local post offices and Scarborough will go, and as a bulk mail entry unit for packages to and from larger business mailers.

Members of Maine’s congressional delegation reacted with surprise and anger to the decision to move Hampden’s processing functions to Scarborough.

“I find it astounding that the USPS is moving forward with the proposed consolidation of the Hampden plant given the grave concerns raised at the January 11th public meeting in Brewer, which I attended with well over 350 concerned Mainers,” Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe said in a press release Thursday.

Republican Sen. Susan Collins, who also spoke at the Jan. 11 meeting, has expressed her strident opposition to the USPS decision both publicly and in a letter to U.S. Postmaster General Patrick Donahue.

“I am deeply disappointed and shocked that the Postal Service is proceeding to close its Hampden, Maine, processing center, a decision that is contrary to the Postal Service’s own interests and that will create job losses and hurt service in much of Maine,” Collins wrote to Donahue. “This decision is inexplicable given the compelling testimony at the public hearing in January about the detrimental impact of closing the plant. The hardworking employees of the Hampden facility deserve better, as do all the residents of northern, eastern, and central Maine who would be affected by this terrible decision.”

The closure of a processing plant in Portsmouth, N.H., late last year means that Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont will be served by five processing plants, with Maine having just the one in Scarborough.

“This plan will have profoundly negative implications for timely and reliable mail service in northern, western and eastern Maine,” added Snowe, who toured the facility last December. “In particular, our state’s seniors could face unacceptable delays in receiving their medications, and our small businesses could lose critical time in shipping goods to their customers. Simply put, the Hampden facility is a lifeline for businesses, families, and individuals across Maine, and the USPS should reconsider this decision.”

Hampden Community and Economic Director Dean Bennett said the announcement was tough news and that when jobs — particularly a significant number of good jobs offering solid benefits — are lost, a community suffers as a whole.

“For the region as a whole, anyone working here, even if they don’t live here, has a trickle-down effect on the local economy,” Bennett said. “If 170 jobs go away, that translates into less economic stimulus because less people are buying groceries, lunches, gas, or coffee at the convenience store. It also could conceivably translate into a population decrease.”

Rizzo said the USPS has an excellent record for placing its displaced, unionized employees into other positions, but that their job locations, work hours and job descriptions likely will change.

“We’ll follow union collective bargaining and legal requirements and attempt to find other positions for those workers to fill at other facilities if they are qualified for them,” said Rizzo. “We will also pay moving costs if their new commute is more than 50 miles than their present one.”

That doesn’t brighten the mood of Garcelon and other veteran employees of the Hampden processing facility.

“I’ll tell you what, from what I’ve heard on the floor, I’ll bet maybe 30 percent of the people here will flat out quit,” said the clerk from Ellsworth. “They’ve got young kids or big mortgages or whatever, and they’re not going to uproot their whole family to move to Portland, if they’re lucky, or out of Maine if they’re not that lucky.”

While moving isn’t an option for Garcelon, he’s not excited about a long commute, either.

“I’ve got a house here, a family here,” the Hermon resident said. “Why would I commute to Portland every day? I just don’t know. I’d probably have no choice, you know. I mean, I’m 54 years old and in between working and retirement.”

Some workers are considering even more drastic measures, according to the Ellsworth clerk.

“A lot of these guys are talking about filing for bankruptcy,” the clerk said. “I mean, the average age of most of these people is around 50, so what else are they going to go do?”

It’s that kind of talk that 2nd District Democratic Rep. Mike Michaud and other members of the congressional delegation have been trying to impress upon USPS officials the last few months.

“I’m concerned about the hardworking employees who may lose their jobs and the thousands of Maine residents and businesses whose service could be impacted,” Michaud said in a statement. “Closing this facility would be a major step in the wrong direction. Rolling back services and firing employees is not the way to restore the firm financial footing that is needed at the Postal Service.”

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  1. So Mike wants the Maine/US taxpayer to fund the salaries of unnecessary postal employers.  It is enough to cause a taxpayer to ‘go postal’! Good try Mike; let’s pray you are also looking for a job in January.

        1. Really?  They are all being moved to another location – AT THE SAME PAY…… some will have to move to scarborough – 145 of them… others will move to places like Ellsworth or Waterville..

          1. Moving isn’t an option for all of them. It isn’t easy to sell a home and buy another even when it’s for a job.

    1. Wow, they are not unnecessary! Have you any idea how long it will take (and how inefficient it would be) to send a letter or package from Presque Isle to Madawaska? It is already difficult for small businesses (or any business for that matter) in Maine to compete with out-of-state companies, but this would kill their shipping. Not to mention that it will cost USPS more money to deliver mail in order to truck it through Scarborough first, AND they will lose customers, which is one of the reasons (aside from the postal bill) they claim they need to make cuts in the first place. This would create a death spiral for the postal service, and if they were to remain open long term, they would lose even more money than they do now.

      1.  Didn’t they say this place would remain open with those 13 people, who will take mail/packages that are, for example, going from Presque Isle to Madawaska, and sort them out without sending them to Scarborough?

        1. Absolutely not.  There will be no sorting done in Hampden.  All sorting will go from northern Maine to Scarborough to be sorted, after the Scarborough mail is sorted, or course.  Then a day or so later, it will return to northern Maine for delivery.  The 13 employees left in Hampden will be 2 custodians to maintain the building, and 11 mailhandlers (a few on each shift) on the loading dock to transfer cages of mail sorted in Scarborough to trucks heading north of Bangor.  The extra 4 hr round trip for nothern Maine’s mail will cost a bundle in gas and drivers pay, and truck costs….and still be delivered in an untimely and unfair manner.  Service does not matter anymore.

          1. “as a “dock operation transportation hub” through which mail to and from local post offices and Scarborough will go”

            Pretty sure that means that mail to and from local post offices (orrington to brewer, presque isle to madawaska) will be sorted there.  Why wouldn’t they, really, if they have people doing anything at the facility.
            There is no reason Brewer can’t put orrington mail together, so that it can be seperated at the facility and go straight to orrington.
            Although, at this point, they are all so pissed off, they’ll probably mess it up on purpose.

          2. All sorting is done on high speed equipment that sorts 20 times faster than any human….cost savings for the PO.  The smaller offices have none of that equipment. 

          3. I know.  I’ve run those machines myself.
            The letters probably will go south because they don’t sort them, especially from collection boxes.  But packages, they can put ‘local/northern’ packages in the same cage so when it gets to the Hampden plant it can be redistributed properly without going south.
            Letters will probably take only one extra day.  If stuff is mailed early enough in the day, that 2 extra hours isn’t a whole lot and it will be done running on the machines soon enough to get sent back up, if not that same evening, then the next morning.
            There are mail facilitys in the country that do sorting 5 hours away.  So for Maine to do it isn’t impossible.

          4. Again, there will be no sorting done in the Hampden plant.  There will be no sorting equipment there.  It will all be done in Scarborough.  Our one package sorter now sorts 1 piece per second, or 60 per minute, or 3600 packages per hour.  That is nearly 29,000 packages per 8 hr shift….now multiply that by 5 nightly operators….totalling 145,000 packages every single night on one machine.  It is impossible for any human to do that by hand, and there will be only 2-3 humans per shift left behind in Hampden to load and unload trucks…..Scarborough will do all sorting.  Our letter machines sort 10 letters per second as opposed to humans keying one letter per second.  High speed efficient  sorting equipment has made humans obsolete…..so unless you address mail perfectly, it goes to dead letter….no human sees it.

          5. They sort packages by hand.  Most of them.  When it comes to local packages, it will be done by hand.

          6.  The only sorting being done will be the mail being broken down to the Bangor carriers. Everything else will be south.

          7. You are soooooo misinformed….I have been a package machine operator for many years.  We sort over 100,000 packages on any given night on one machine….all done by 5 machine operators.  These come into all facilities addressed to all over the U.S…..they will not be sorted until they reach Scarborough, and only on their equipment.  There will be no staffing at the Hampden facility to do anything other than to load trucks to transport mail to Scarborough in one truck, and to northern, western, and downeast  Maine in several other trucks. 

          8.  That means outgoing mail from local PO’s will be sent to EM, placed on a truck and sent to SM to be sorted. Then the sorted mail will be sent to EM, placed on trucks to go to local offices. No sorting involved.

          9. Still a substantial amount of saving money going on closing Hampden. A lot less then paying 183 people to stand around and do nothing all night at the Hampden Plant. Enjoy your new home at the Scarborough Plant. The Postal Unions bankrupted the Postal Service now live with it.

          10. You’re only purpose in life must be to sit on here and post crap just so you can get a reaction out of people because everything you say is basically lies.

        2. It will act as a “hub” AFTER scarborough processes the mail that is sent out then sent back.. THEN it stops at the hub.. then out to wherever…

    2.  Gee, an outmoded business model, high union salaries, and competition by more nimble businesses..who would have thunk this wasn’t going to last forever?

  2. Of course big gubmint Michaud wants to continue the wasteful spending of the postal service, borrowing money from China to foot the bills.  Is there a failed government program that this clown doesn’t think we should enslave our posterity with trillions in debt to pay for?

    1. Once again the vastness of misinformed people is mind boggling.  The Postal Service has not and does not rely on tax dollars.  Thanks to George Bush’s idea to generate money for his programs by requiring the Postal Service to prefund retirement benefits, even though no other agency is required to do that, has basically handcuffed the Postal Services ability to meet the mandate of breaking even.  Thank God for people like Michaud who look out for the people of Maine and those who actually try to work for a living.

      1. Oh my, finance the whole retirement benefit fund by the workers who are going to use it.  Can you imagine. Guess you were counting on a Tax Payer Bailout for your pension instead of paying for it yourself. There is no sympathy here for spoiled  Postal Union Workers that make more money in 2 weeks then most Mainers make in a month. You drove the Postal Service Bankrupt, look in the mirror.

        1. Have someone read the posts to you so you may understand them better.  I have no problem funding my retirement.  If you had a job you probably would have to fund yours as well.  That is only fair.  My question is why is the Postal Service required to fund retirement benefits for employees who are yet to be born.  And for the 100th time the Postal Service does NOT use tax money.  Some Postal Employees make pretty good money working 6 nights a week trying to make sure the all the mail gets out.  There is plenty of it there for once again the 100th time.

        2.  So you really believe that current workers will collect retirement benefits for over 70 years (the amount they are required to fund)?

          So if one retires at the allowed retirement age of 62, that means they would have to live to be at least 132 years old. All of them.

          1. You are absolutely right. If you look at your math that’s how long it would take to get your money back at $200 per month. Now you show me a postal retiree that only gets $200 per month.

    2. With 3 representives speaking out, 2 of them Republican, why are you singling out Michaud for derision?  Shouldn’t you also be raging against Collins and Snowe?  Seems a little biased to me….

      That said, if they can truly economize  by closing Hampdon without significant loss of service then I agree, it should close, otherwise with it’s continued price hikes the USPS is going to price itself out of business anyway.  Personally I’d rather see them go to 3 or 4 delivery days and jack up the prices on bulk/junk mail.

      1. The 21st Century Postal Service Act, sponsored by Sens. Susan Collins, Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., Scott Brown, R-Mass., and Tom Carper, D-Del., reduces the postal work force by nearly 20 percent through buyouts paid for through funds — not tax dollars — the Postal Service overpaid to the federal retirement system.

        What a hipocrate Collins is. She co sponsored the above bill and now is “deeply disappointed and shocked”. Collins needs to own what she does instead of talking out of both sides of her mouth.

    3. it’s quite clear from your post that you do not know what you’re talking about. You need to do some fact checking and not be so sour

    1. Blah, Blah, Blah.  Obama has had 3 years to make it right, why can’t the appointed one save the USPS? Mmmmm. I would argue some points with you but some will never get it. Republicans believe in smaller government and democrats believe in larger.

      It is unfortunate these people are going to have to relocate to keep their gig but they knew it was coming for a long time. Paying moving costs is a good example why they are broke. National news on MSN just released 35,000 are getting cut, period. No options but a career change.

      Some of them probably still feel they could get into typewriter sales. This is a dying business and fed-ex and UPS do it right. One of the big 3 must go and it will be the USPS. We will all survive without it. 

      1. Republicans don’t believe in smaller government.  In many cases, they would like government reach to be expanded.  “Conservative” politicians will tell you they want smaller government until they’re blue in the face, but they’ll never tell you exactly what it is they want cut, because they’re constituency isn’t intelligent enough to ask.  Believing that is as ignorant as believing that the Dems actually care about the poor and downtrodden.

      2.  Is believing in smaller government the reason Lepage grew state government by a half BILLION $$$ more than Baldacci’s last budget?

      3. Bangor will feel the loss when 183 families, and their extended families all leave town.  These are the ‘working’ families who pay the property taxes, and support their local churches, and charities, and pay school tax dollars, and buy gas to get to work daily.  The ripple effect will cause many other mail dependent companies to move as well.  The future is not pretty….ask the milltown former residents, or the military base town former residents…..or Detroit’s former residents.

  3. I guess the big show that took place with public comments to our Congressional delegates had no effect upon the postal service’s decisions.  Wonder how long one has to be a senator or representative to  have any clout besides grant money being endowed for other things during election years. 
    Mike Michaud’s bill would have “funds overpaid  into employee retirement health systems returned to the postal service.”  That sounds like a great place to start.

    1. The USPS had their minds made up long before the public meeting…  they disrepected and wasted the time of all who attended by holding the event.

  4. 65,000 poor citizens with no health coverage is OK…..but God forbid a wealthy Postal employee should lose their ticket to the Gravy Train ! They want to keep their jobs so bad why don’t they volunteer a 50% pay cut ? They’d STILL make more than most Mainers.

    1. Been there 26 years, have yet to meet any ‘wealthy’ co workers.  When you have worked that many years, all nights, and weekends, trying to sleep days and support your dependents….then you will earn the right to complain about those who have been getting your mail out all these years.  There will be jobs in Scarborough….you are entitled to see if you have what it takes to do one.

    2. 65,000 citizens choose to be poor. The wealthy postal employee chose to make something of their life rather than wait for a hand out.  I wonder how many former postal employees will go on welfare? My bet is “0”. They will want to work. Therefor, they will find work.

      1. My bet is they will be hard pressed to find a job and it wont be close to what they were making, unless they move out of state !

        1. They will find a job with no trouble. I agree, they wont be making their usual $25-$30 an hour, but they will work. That’s part of the problem, the unions have set the wages to high for any company to pay.

    3. ….and anyone who is smart enough to pass the testing  and is willing to tolerate the conditions/environment these people work in, has the same opportunity to become a USPS employee. 

      I am so sick of people screaming about what other people’s wage and salaries are, you all are entitled to work anyof these professions if you chose or have the intellegience and ambition.  So, be happy with where you are and what you make or seek other opportunities– stop wasting your time criticizing  others..  there is one word to describe it and it is ENVY!!! or wait.. may ignorance..

      1. It’s easier to sit back and complain about what everyone else has than to go out and get it yourself. Ever notice which political party those people belong to?

    4. WEALTHY?  You think mail handelers are wealthy?  My bestie has been there for 18 years… she makes 40,000 per year – she works a lot of overtime to make it….. and 40 isn’t much when supporting 4 kids on her own cause her deadbeat husband would rather not work at all….

      1. Only 40?  How is that so?  I know mailhandlers who make 50k BASE.  The ones working overtime make more like 80k!

          1. Only a certified electronics technician who repairs equipment could make that in 10 years.  After 25 years, and only if you work all nights and weekends, your pay will top 50k.  If you are a mail carrier, working days and  no weekends you are 10k less.  If you work 12 hr nights, 6 nights a week, like most did during Nov. and Dec……your wages will reflect that overtime.  Many temp employees there are getting $12 an hour. 

          2. City Carrier Pay Grade Chart: http://www.nalc.org/depart/cau/pdf/wages/paychart0311.pdf  Lowest pay is 43k/year.
            Mail Handler Pay Chart: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpmhu308.org%2FMHUpdate1109.pdf&ei=jB9IT8uaM4vZiQKklrTaDQ&usg=AFQjCNG3YunbmIiqDyn2-cANQc_b2pmv_Q&sig2=PCFsAFTMQzTnUghu05IVhA
            Lowest is 31.6k/year.  (I’m sure it doesn’t take more than 2-3 years to top that ladder, either… 51+k/year)

        1. Deadbeat dads are one thing we did not see at the postal service…..those men work hard to support their families, and if they do not, then it comes straight out of their paycheck.  Have a little respect for the hardworking families that are self supporting taxpayers in this community…..for you will miss their hard work when they are no longer around to sort your mail.

      2.  This is a guess, but I’m thinking it doesn’t require a college degree to be a mail handler. 40K is good money for no degree. Teachers and social workers with bachelors degrees start out in the low 30k range.

  5. Yet again, Northern and Eastern Maine are being treated like second class citizens!! Now we’re even going to get 2nd class treatment instead of 1st class delivery. The thing that would make the most sense if something had to be closed would be to close Scarborough and route all mail through Hampden. At least it’s more centrally located.

    1. Great wisdom Pondlady….central Maine is centrally located…..to serve all of the state equally.  Hampden plant workers just  put in 12 hour nights, 6 nights a week all through Nov. and Dec.  to get the Christmas mail out.  Now at our regular 40 hr. week, we have no down time, no time we are ‘not’ processing.  The mail is definitely not declining.  The first class mail may have slowed down due to the internet,  but the packages from ebay and online shoppers have increased greatly, as has standard mail, advertising, magazines, and numerous medical suppliers. 

    2.  When you are talking about distribution systems, “centrally located” is defined not by geography, but rather by the center of the density of the distribution.

      Not only is there a great deal more population in the southern part of the Maine, mail being sent out of Maine heads even further south.

      The true center for the distribution system   is way south of Hampden!

        1. I understand how people feel about it but it sure doesn’t sound like most folks commenting here have ever run a distribution center.

          The logic of a southern Maine location if there can only be one is pretty clear.

          1. Your logic is flawed if you want to keep the delivery standards of first class mail. It makes more sense to have a centralized plant that can keep the current standard for the whole state. Yours is based on volume and profit. The USPS is mandated by law to provide universal service to all Americans, thus the bigger more profitable areas subsidize the smaller more rural areas so all pay the same price.

      1. The true center of the ‘distribution area’ is Waterville north…..5 hrs of straight driving to get to the border, then another several hours east and west to get to ‘all’ of the postal service customers.  Then it will be another 7 hours back to Scarborough to get it all sorted.  It may return to its destination in a few days, give or take, depending on road conditions, sorting equipment breakdowns, and staffing.  Scarborough only covers south of Waterville, which is two hour’s worth of driving.  It is not population density, but the ‘driving area covered’ and the number of homes given equal service. 

        1. The population is centered far south of Waterville too. Plus you are assuming the Maine branches of the Post Office have only Maine destinations to distribute to.

          Pretty much all mail leaving Maine is traveling south, out of state. The full distribution pattern for Maine has to include outgoing as well as incoming pieces of mail.

          The center of the full sitribution would be in southern Maine.

  6. All of you thinking that they make a killing ought to check the wages postal workers make. Sure it’s more than construction but this is a  nationwide business. The trickle down effect will hurt the whole community.

    The workers that move to the Other Maine will have riffed workers there so it’s not a bed of roses for those folks either.

    Portland could have absorbed the cuts easier than Bangor but location is everything I guess. All three of my kids are working in S Maine now.

    1. They don’t make a killing because it is unskilled labor. Compared to other unskilled labor positions I bet they rank at the top in pay. The whole country has seen this coming and been warned of it…Hello!

      1. Mail sorting consists of working all nights and weekends.  You must be skilled on a keyboard, and able to lift 70 lb mail sacks all night long while carrying them on cement floors.  There will be jobs in Scarborough if you think the pay is tops.  If you can pass the written testing, then the physical exam, then the 90 day probation period, you might get lucky and earn that top pay.

      2.     Thats right , you cant miss the assault on the Government by the Private enterprise drooling over the profits that they can Charge US Citesens!

        Hold onto your hats!

        And you thought Taxes where bad without profits included in the Matrix!

    2. Sorry man, but postal workers do NOT make more than construction workers.  I am working with some millwrights right now making 48 bucks an hour, most of these guys make 6 fiugures a year easy.

  7. Keep Voting Republican and they will close ALL the Post Offices , Public Schools, Public Rds, Fire Depts, and we can all go back to the Plantations!

    1. the  state of Maine should do what we we did to cut back school budgets. We sold all the school buses ,kids had to walk to school or parents required to get them there. All the walking allowed us to discontinue the phys-ed classes.  No buses and drivers saved huge amounts of money and we terminated all the phy-ed teachers. The proposal to close the high school because kids weren’t leanrning anything failed as  the law wouldn’t allow it.  I have to say, we have almost no fat kids  to bully in our schools. They are required to eat their veggies and fresh fruit though. Also, if a kid takes  food from the cafeteria buffet, they must eat it all, ,,,no food is allowed to be thrown away.

    2.  … well, those are all socialistic systems after all.

      You forgot to mention killing medicare and social security. Those are on the agenda too.

  8. “Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont will be served by five
    processing plants, with Maine having just the one in Scarborough. ” The biggest area state of all three and where is the plant down by New Hampshire. Yep real smart.

    1. Thank you Eric Fairbrother !  The Hampden plant has served all of Maine from Waterville north, 5 plus hrs. of driving.  The Scarborough plant serves south of Waterville, 2 hrs. of driving.  Just where is the savings in gas, trucks, drivers ?  They were only serving the smallest area in the entire state…..and you have been led to believe service will not be affected, when they have to cover the largest area of the entire state in addition to their regular daily volume ?  Bad weather puts your mail delivery behind now when they only have a 2 hr drive to  Bangor.

    2.  Distribution centers locate around the bulk of their distribution.

      This makes sense for the same reasons for profit national businesses do not locate their distribution centers in locations far from the concentration of their business.

  9. After more than 2 years of advance warning, failed efforts by the Congressional delegation and continuously declining postal system use, it’s hard to imagine how anyone was ‘stunned’.  I think most folks saw the writing on the wall several years ago.  

  10. We don’t understand why?  Where has this Postal Worker been for the past 10 years of declining mail volume? Even worse at the Hampden Facility where workers wait for empty trucks hoping there is some mail to sort. All the while being paid on Overtime, Sunday Pay, and Holiday Pay. Well, the overtime, money binge party is over. Running the same letters 10 times to bring up the make believe statistics. Another 223 plants are also being closed so don’t feel alone. The Unions have bankrupted  the Postal Service nationwide. Time for these people to look for a real job where they will have to actually work for a living.

    1. Not sure you were ever in the building, but inside where the sorting is done, there is NO standing around, no waiting for mail, you are controlled by an ever running machine that requires your undivided attention for each 8 hr shift.  NO mail ever has to get re-run.  There is more than enough to last each 8 hr shift for all 183 employees.  The postal union does not allow layoffs, ever….they must offer you another plant position, and management can close down Scarborough as well as it did here, as Boston is equipped to do all the mail for New England…watch and see.

    2. Your posts get boring,  you are against anyone that has a good paying job.  We all know what you do and whom you live off, so I shut my trap and let others work their jobs, that’s how you get your money.

    3. No Sir, the unions didn’t do this one, much as ‘chicken littler’s’ want to make it seem that way. It was Congress, right from get-go 1, that did this. When Congress required the Postal Service to pre-pay, 5 yrs worth in advance no less, of medical insurance , costing over $ 5 BILLION DOLLARS, Congress all but doomed, and politically blackmailed, the USPS into this. Remove the pre-pay requirement and shove the money back into the USPS’s budget and the USPS is only around $50 million in the hole. Given the mess they are in courtesy of Congress, $ 50 million is a drop in the bucket. With the recent increase to 45 cents, that $50 million would be recovered and balanced out by the end of the year.

      No Sir, Congress in their infinite wisdom, and that’s about as polite as I can make it, screwed the USPS, not the union’s or the worker’s. Remember that when you vote in November. And if you vote by Absentee Ballot, well, case and point made.

      1.  Even if the pre-pay is removed it is still a matter of time before the Postal Service will be hurting again.As the next generation comes up,who right now start with computers in kindergarten will be using computers for mail,paying bills. Now large corporations such as Target and others are starting to advertise on media such as facebook and other social networks. Sadly it’s just a matter of time before companies advertise with fliers and other forth class mail use the internet. The companies who mail drugs through the mail will have to plan accordingly.It’s time to start downsizing a little at a time then all at once. If the Postal was a private enterprise,it would have started downsizing quite sometime ago.You can only raise the price of postage so much and the it becomes attractive for the private business sector to start looking at means of sending their product.(such as Pharmacies)

      2.  The USPS was losing money even if you did not count the pre-funding requirement according to a recent letter by Sen Snowe in these pages. 

    4.  I agree with Knightscross and I worked at that Hampden Plant for years.   There is PLENTY of standing around, and extra smoke breaks, and long lunch breaks, and card games, and union time, and tons of money spent on grievances.
      Sure, the clerks do less standing around than Mailhandlers, or anyone ‘tied’ to a machine, but you’re delusional or smoking something if you’re telling me that even they don’t find ways to take an extra break.  Those machines the clerks run don’t require you to constantly run around.  There is plenty of ‘standing around’ and waiting when you’re running those machines.  And even if you’re one of the few workers who keeps as busy as you say they are, I’m sure you’re finding some way to get some extra money in your paycheck.

      1. Are you one of the fired workers ?  Postal  jobs are career positions, a lifetime on one job only, as long as you do your job honestly.

        1. And because they can’t be fired is the only reason they haven’t been fired.  Any normal business wouldn’t put up with what the people there get away with.

  11. It’s a very nice building to b turned into a prison for drug offenses or driving offenses… just saying…

  12. Methadone Clinic has first refusal I am sure. I think moving them out of Bangor and putting them in Hampden would fit the landscape quite well.

  13. Business 101~ If your operating at a continual loss you can’t stay in business!!! If my business hemorrages money (as the postal service has done forever) I’d  have to let my employees go and close up shop!! It’s economics not brain surgery!! The USPS isn’t a division of the welfare department.  Sorry.

    1.  Business 102 ~ when the government puts an unfair regulation on ONE (and only one) of several competitors to the tune of prefunding pensions for 70+ years at a cost of billions, then that ONE competitor is artificially put at a business disadvantage and cannot succeed.

      The post office should be competing on a level plying field. Either make all similar businesses prefund their pension funds for 70+ yars or remove the requirement for the Post Office.

  14. Business 101~ If your operating at a continual loss you can’t stay in business!!! If my business hemorrages money (as the postal service has done forever) I’d  have to let my employees go and close up shop!! It’s economics not brain surgery!! The USPS isn’t a division of the welfare department. Sorry.

    1. They would be ok if they did not half to per fund there retirement an health insurance . If you own a business could you afford to pre fund ? thats business 101

  15. Senator Collins is largely responsible for this action she has railed against the postal service in several newspapers over the last year and now she acts like a friend. She is disingenuous.

    1. The 21st Century Postal Service Act, sponsored by Sens. Susan Collins, Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., Scott Brown, R-Mass., and Tom Carper, D-Del., reduces the postal work force by nearly 20 percent through buyouts paid for through funds — not tax dollars — the Postal Service overpaid to the federal retirement system.

      What a hipocrate Collins is. She co sponsored the above bill and now is “deeply disappointed and shocked”. Collins needs to own what she does instead of talking out of both sides of her mouth.     

  16. good news – cut the fat  – they also should close down scarborough  and alot of rural post offices.
    They also ought to cut out the excessive border patrol

      1.  :)

        That would be an eyeopener.

        Then require UPS to prefund a pension plan for 70+ years and see what their rates are!

  17. According to lots of the posts I’ve read, people still think that the postal service uses tax dollars.  Are these people dumb, or just too lazy to do a google search to get some information?

    1.  definitely uninformed and obviously unable to retain, as well ( it has been said many times); hence, why they probably could not qualify for such a job that they  continually rant about the salary and wages of.   

  18. More good news for the Maine economy. Another 183 jobs that payed a living wage and taxes gone. Car dealers sell a few less cars, Realtors sell a few less houses, and the state takes yet another hit in reduced income tax revenue. Maybe ChinaMart will move in and create some more of those sweet under employed positions that they are famous for.

    1. Thank you for telling the truth to the uninformed public.  When 183 homes go empty  and tax dollars dry up locally, what company will be replacing those 183 missing incomes to our economy ?   more Clinics ?  more Drugstores ?  more homeless shelters ?  or more tax hikes to make up for the loss ?  all you have to do is look at the mill towns and military base towns,  to see what happens.

  19. Why ar epeople shocked and stunned? This facility was on the list of proposed cuts. The USPS is a privatized business now that is losing money every year. Technology makes sorting more efficient. They have to cut somewhere. No body will be screaming when the military starts cutting 10,’ of thousands of Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen or Marines. This country cannot afford to keep doing business the way it used to be. I feel for the postal workers. If businesses are worried about packages FEDEX and UPS are pretty inexpensive and reliable. And with letters you can scan and email etc.

  20. If our Senators have soo Much Seniority and Power in the Washington Swimming Pool, as claimed when election day rolls around, WHY have we in Maine lost so much, Military Bases Closed, Postal Service taken away, Liheap money shrunk. Plus a lot more. Why was Hampden facility closed instead of Scarborough. Centralizing operations makes a lot more sense as far as transportation costs. Elect anybody but the Incumbent this November.

  21. i’m gonna stick my neck out and say that i feel sorry for the 183 families that are going to be affected. the 183 families that will have to make a very hard decision whether to move to a place that you don’t know, to go work with people you don’t know, in an unfamiliar territory, or shall they stay and try to scrape by after house payments, car payments, gas, groceries, you name it. life is expensive, yes postal workers are paid well, but these are people too. this is going to hurt the economy in many ways and i think it is sad to see such a large chunk of people in my area being hurt by the closing of this facility. go ahead and blame whoever you want, i don’t care about the senators. i care about the families who are going to be facing a tough road with tough choices whichever path they may choose. keep in mind, a lot of people who were laid off didn’t move away and try to find jobs, they started collecting unemployment benefits, taking the easy route, and in the long run, the workers are always paying for the slackers. these people WANT to work, that is why they are angry. stop bashing them. they WANTED the plant to stay open so they didn’t have to change their lives all around, uproot themselves and find a new place to call home. i respect the employees who have the guts to do such a thing, and i wish them all the best.

  22. It is true the Postal Service does NOT use tax dollars. However, when the Postal Unions have bankrupted the Postal Service by this October 2012 they would have been crying and screaming for a Tax Payer Bailout. The Postmaster General made the right decision closing down 223 Processing Plants nationwide, to try and save what is left of the Postal Service. 

    1. To all you bitter Postal Union People that criticize me. Whether I am a stay at home mom, married to one of the workers at the Hampden Plant and know full well what REALLY  goes on there. Get ready to move to Scarborough.

      1. You are married to one of the postal workers?  Did your husband lose his job?  Your tone implies that he did not lose his job.  Is that the basis for your attitude?

      2. If you had any idea what working nights, weekends, and carrying 70 lb. mail sacks on cement floors all night were like, you would not even be commenting.  Bangor is the loser here.  When 183 liveable wage jobs leaves the city, prepare for many mailing  and printing and billing companies to leave also.  The Bangor Daily News will downsize without being able to get their newspapers to northern Maine the next day.  Many there have no computer access.  183 families will take their tax dollars to southern Maine.  That includes grandparents, young people attending our local colleges, children in daycares, and possible future income for any Bangor area businesses and property taxes.  The economy destruction without these working families will be devastating with far reaching consequences to the city.   

        1. Please weezy, it is done. The Postmaster General has spoken and decided. Just start to pack for your new home in Scarborough. You may even love it there.

          1. A lot of us have family there…..but we will no longer be paying property taxes living in their homes.  And their schools will not be getting our tax dollars.  That will leave us more take home pay ….maybe to donate to failing economies.

    2.  The Republican congress of 2006 mandated that the USPS prefund benefits for 75 years.  If only all corporations were required to do that.  Then the U.S. taxpayer wouldn’t be on the hook for all the bankrupt companies that had underfunded pensions that were taken over by the government.  
      So, since Olymipa has been in office, we’ve lost two major military bases (and lots of small facilities), costing the state of Maine approximately $100 million annually in direct wages. She ran as a one term Senator.  Now worth $20 million, she will also collect a $130,000 pension regardless of the outcome of the her election. 
      She is not for working people.  Lower wages for corporations, lower taxes for investors like husband Jock, prefunding for USPS. 

  23. I find it interesting that the same day this came out in the paper there was an ad in the Help Wanted for postal workers.  Kind of odd isn’t it?

  24. I feel bad for those who will be losing their jobs. Most likely most of them who are willing to move can be employed elsewhere in the system. This is 2012, most folks don’t use US mail as much as they once did. My Mom when she was alive would send everyone a card for every occasion, as well as correspond via the US Mail. I do most of that electronically now. I guess I have another question, why keep that huge facility and all the costs it entails to operate it with such a sizable reduction in the operational situation?

  25. Stage Coach, Clipper Ship, Coal burning locomotive, gas lights, ringer washers, Tv sets as deep as they are wide, ice houses along the Penobscot- need we go on here?  Things change and unfortunaely lives are affected. Does anyone know what happened to all of  the milk delivery drivers? I’ll bet they found work.

    1. Different ecomony, different job market.  You can’t compare milk delivery drivers of the 1960’s to postal employees of 2012. 

      1. Ok- Who took care of the telegraph operators-did they become employeed in the early telephone industry? Did the ice delivery man eventually work somewhere else-maybe driving refrigerated food trucks. Are there any woodsmen that dropped an axe and picked up an early chainsaw? It’s an ongoing process.

        1. The APWU postal union does not allow layoffs.  There will be no loss of jobs…just a relocation to Scarborough.  Losing 183 Bangor area families who pay taxes, own homes, and contribute to the local economy will be felt.  When just  1 person is transferred,  be guaranteed that 6 or more others in that family will go too…..and these are the working families who keep our churches, restaurants, schools, malls, and gas stations in business daily. 

        2. The telegraph operators became telephone operators with good union wages.  The ice delivery man, yes, drove refridgerated trucks.  And, yes, the woodsman evolved to a chainsaw.  Jobs back then progressed to better paying jobs.  We had a good economy and lots of growth back then. These poor folks are not going to find a comparable job any time soon.

          1. Let me ask you this question. If 183 workers from all over the state of Maine lose their jobs during a 1 month period should they not have the same sympathies as these fine postal workers? Guess what….they don’t. 

          2. These 183 postal workers losing their jobs are in Bangor….not all over the state….the Hampden plant only. 

        3. Phone company union jobs left Bangor for Manchester NH 20 yrs ago , lumber industry is gone, union pulp and paper mill jobs are gone, textile and woolen mills are gone, steel mill union jobs are gone, decent paying shoe company jobs left for overseas, BMHI once employed hundreds in union jobs, truck driving jobs are low paying unless they are postal jobs, and drivers are required to have a spotless record, which is rare.  End result….Bangor tops the poverty list in the country.

      2. Milk can be purchased at your corner market 5 minutes away.  When your daily checks, bills, and meds are 3-5 days late, who will you complain to ?  Failure to get out the Bangor Daily News while it is current, which goes to northern Maine in the mail will cause them to downsize.  Failure to get your meds in the mail in time, will cause further anxiety.  One day of bad driving weather, or sorting equipment malfunction will slow down business in the top 2/3 of the state if the mail is yet another day or two behind the already slowed down schedule of delivery.

        1. I agree!  I was commenting on wetshores glib remark.  I do not feel the facility should be closed.  I am probably in a minority, but .47 is pretty cheap to mail a letter.  Keep the exceptional service, keep the postal workers employed and raise the price of a stamp!

    2. The Postal Service has been operating since 1774…..a bit longer than the tv set invention.  The Hampden plant had 183 employees working nights and weekends, often doing 12 hr nights and 6 nights a week.  The work is there.  The volume of mail is there.  It is the 45 cent first class letter that has declined, as the public knows it is quicker to pay online.  All remaining  mail volume keeps 183 employees running those sorting machines nightly without any down time.  Trucking northern Maine mail to Scarborough and back nightly will raise your stamp prices and slow your mail greatly.  And do you really think Scarborough postal clerks will know the nixies of all Maine’s small towns, and zipless mail, and incorrect zips ?  That takes years to recognize and deliver correctly.  Make sure your mail is addressed and zipped perfectly.

        1. Scarborough realtors and landlords are gearing up now for the influx of 183 liveable wage families….that is a huge boost to their economy…..the question is now….what will happen to Bangor without those tax paying families when those homes are empty ?  Do the math….that is a $9 million dollar loss to the city annually….can Bangor really afford that ? The spiralling decline will be felt for years to come. 

          1. The quality of jobs and life in Bangor is nothing today like it was in 1968….we all walked to school back then….not safe anymore….those changes were all negative…those base closings did not affect the local real estate market as they lived in base housing.  This will be 183 homes going up for sale all at once…what will that do to home prices and home sales ?

          2. Let me get this straight; the closing of Dow AFB had less economic impact on Bangor and the surrounding area, than the closing of the Hampden facility will. How long have you lived here?

          3. Lived here over 60 years…..seen all the paper and pulp mills close, the textile and woolen mills, the steel mills, hundreds of union jobs at BMHI no longer exist, the lumber industry was once the money maker of our city, New England Telephone union jobs left Bangor for NH in the 80’s, and many made a liveable wage at the various shoe factories in the city….also gone.  Yes, military families were taken care of by the military.  These postal workers are taken care of by only themselve.  Their integrity to show up for work every night was never taken into consideration.  We were all told that there will be no incentive given to move, no moving expenses, and no gas mileage to move, therefore, most will need to take from their retirement fund to pay for selling their homes here, and relocating. 

      1. N H Bragg in Bangor has been in business for 158 years. Call someone there and ask them if anything has changed over the years. In 1854 they started out selling blacksmith supplies-how much of that is their business today? Nobody wants these poeple to give up their jobs-it hurts them and the local economy. The Federal government is flat broke-what’s your plan?

  26. Stunned? They had tons of notice that this was possible. They all should have dusted off their resumes long before now. Good luck to them.

    1. There are no postal layoffs….ever.  Our APWU union protects that.  All 183 will be offered postal work elsewhere, likely Scarborough.   Bangor will lose 183 families….all with good incomes that contribute to the local economy and property taxes.  That many homes on the market at once will have a negative effect on local real estate as well as taxes, as it will be impossible to keep a home paid here while paying for another in Scarborough.

  27. What’s not to love about these robots who for the last 80 years allowed FBI  agents
    to open your mail, detain your mail and loose your mail all in the name of protecting the corporate bottom line called profit.
    In the words of Matt Damon  ” how do you like that form of taxpayer funded FBI  Democracy” ?

  28. 13 employees will continue working at Hampden Mail facility. What a Cluster!! Leave things alone. This bozo making decisions to close Hampden’s facility has no idea what he is doing and how it affects a community. Multi million dollar building that will be abandoned very soon!! So sad!!

  29. Just another example of a poorly run government agency pulling down the citizens. Oh I’m sorry, it’s not totally tied to the government, just uses the name. It’s suppose to be a stand alone business. So let fail and have private interprise take over. It will cost more, but the service will be better Example…3 packages mailed the same time by the same person to tha same address. One made it in 2 days. The other 2 took 7 days. The shipping clerk told us and I quote: We can’t guarrantee on time delievery.” It’s time to shut this joke of a service down and replace it……..

    1. well you mail a letter from  Bangor  to Portland  Me  it will cost over  11.35  to mail it if you bring it to UPS if they half to pick it up it will cost even more 

  30. Of the people who work in the Hampden sorting facility, I wonder how many use snail mail?
    Part of the issue, I believe, is the drop in the use of the product … simple math.
    Another poster spoke of the loss of home delivery of perishables like milk, bakery products, etc …
    same thing … families with two cars … multiple neighborhood/corner stores … things change.
     

  31. “We don’t understand why,” said the clerk, who travels to work from Ellsworth and back each day. “Why?”

    To fund your pension.. 

    You folks don’t read newspaper, watch the news, surf the internet?  You should get out more.

    1. And none of that is the fault of the workers who have given 25 years of their life to get ‘your’ mail out.  Corrupt government wants your hard earned tax dollars….but they want it in southern Maine where the larger number of voters is.

  32. Why in heck do they want to close the one in Hampden ?  Isn’t there more job opportunities in southern Maine than there is in Mid Maine..  Come on Rizzo tell then to get their act together.

    1. Putting 183 homes on the Bangor housing market at once will drop the price of all homes here.  Adding 183 liveable wage jobs to Scarborough will be a boost to their economy.  When 183 employees leave, they will take 5-6 family members with them…..totalling over 1000 productive ‘wage earners’ including their extended families, elderly, and grandparents.  Bangor cannot withstand that big a loss.    The ripple effect will be felt for years to come, in the  loss of addtional mail-dependent businesses,  tax dollars, empty homes, and home values dropping citywide. 

      1. I don’t think 183 homes will have much effect on the  Housing market

         

        Currently there are 25,128 active listings in Maine

        New listings 2012 = 4,152 
        Sold 2012 = 1,435

         

        Penobscot County = 2,129 Listings

        New listings 2012 = 340 
        Sold 2012 = 134

         

        Hancock County – 2081 Listings

        New listings 2012 = 216 
        Sold 2012 = 63

         

        Cumberland County =  3,080
        Listings

        New listings 2012 = 858 
        Sold 2012 = 354

         

        York County =  3,257
        Listings

        New listings 2012 = 801 
        Sold 2012 = 249

  33. So for a Postal Service that continued to raise prices on postage, is now going to close several plants to make mail slower and fool us that they are going to save money, so now we are basically going to pay more money for slower service too?

    1. Please tell me you are not complaining about the cost of  a stamp ( postage rates, ingeneral)?  Have you ever mailed anything in another country or even read about or researched it?  Do the math, and follow the trail on 1 regular postage piece and tell me just how much PROFIT you think is being made on postage ( the mail in general).  But you are correct.. You can probably expect your postage to go up again and your service will significantly deminished with this change.  ( still, you are getting a deal!!!)

      1. But raising postage rates was supposed to “save them” and it doesn’t look like it has done a lot of good. Do I mind the postal rates now? Not so much, considering for the cost of a stamp my letter would be received the next day, practically overnight service, not bad considering my expenses and that the Postal Service truck is going for other reasons to that destination. Not now it is going to be slower for my mail to go anywhere, Maine, or California unless I pay a hefty price for a guaranteeing service. I have seen the reports the USPS already wants a 50 cent stamp. Raising the postage didn’t save them, it drove people away, now that raising postage didn’t save them and they are cutting the service, I am either paying the same price or in the near future even more for slower service, that is where I start to see a problem

  34. Our way of life is going down the drain. Every day more people lose their jobs. The economy throws more job seekers into the pool of the unemployed. We tighten our belts to survive and prices escalate beyond our means. It’s not easy trying to hang onto a middle class existence anymore. The powers that be seem determined to wipe us out.

  35. weezy tell the Public what goes on in the Postal Parking lot every night, on the clock some on overtime. Weezy tell the public what goes on in the mail handler swing room. I think not. No mail,  yet rampant non stop overtime. Breaks upon breaks always the smoking breaks more workers outside the building then inside with the mail. Janitors upon janitors every where doing nothing reading newspapers in the upstairs swing room. Most wealthiest Janitors in the country, boy they are well paid to read books and newspapers. Almost paid as much as mail workers one level less. Best job in the Plant. More janitors then mail workers. Anyway it is over this mismanaged freak show. Let us not forget the clerks that had all night long to select what drugs they wanted to steal from sick Veterans. Just like a supermarket. Time for the workers to decide whether they want to work for a change and move to Scarborough or not.

    1. Don’t know what ‘nut job’ you have been getting your info from.  After 26 years running sorting equipment, all on the night shift,  in the building, I can honestly say you are very misinformed.  Postal wages go on a very uniform scale.  Again, if you work nights and weekends you may top 50k after 25 years.  You can make more if you work your days off and holidays and overtime.  You make a lot less if you work days and have weekends off.   Building maintenance, janitors, mail carriers, and mailhandlers unloading trucks on the dock are on a lesser payscale, as the sorters require keyboard training before running any machine.  The machines are run at night, the mail carriers work days only, so are not paid the nights and weekends and machine pay rate.  The decision to close 232 plants nationwide was made at the top….not in Maine.  Their inefficiency to balance the postal budget has no bearing on the hard work  postal employees have proven all these years.  It is politics at its finest.  There is not one employee with less than 25 yrs. that is making a base salary of 50k.  Would you please tell us all where you work, and what you do, and why you are so bitter at those who are  taxpayers ??

  36.  My 2-3 year comment was way off.  But in less than 20 years you would top out, and in about 12 years, you’d be at 50k.

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