BELFAST, Maine — Alessandra Martinelli has been watching her 21-month-old daughter like a hawk, looking for the telltale, blister-like rash of chickenpox.
And if she spots it, she’ll be happy.
“Some things are not bad things for kids to have,” Martinelli, whose two children intentionally have been given no vaccines, said last week. “Here we are, going out, trying to get our kids sick. But we’re not mean parents. This kid is going to have this immunity forever.”
Martinelli is one of a small but vocal contingent of parents who are philosophically opposed to the way that children are vaccinated in the United States. Small infants do not need to be loaded up with vaccines just hours after they have been born, she said. And so her family has for the moment opted out of childhood vaccinations — including the vaccine for chickenpox, or varicella.
Instead, she is intentionally seeking out ways to expose her toddler to the infectious disease that was common among American children until a vaccine was developed in 1995. She gave Charlotte a lollipop, the girl’s first ever, that had been previously sucked on by a friend’s infected son.
“She loves chickens. She’s really excited,” Martinelli said.
She believes there is a place for vaccinations. It’s just not her house, not yet.
“I’m a fully immunized person. I think they’re useful. They’re not useful for my breast-fed, home-schooled child under 3,” Martinelli explained.
Her family is far from alone in midcoast Maine. Chickenpox has been making its itchy, blistered trip around the area, as infected children share lollipops and even have “chickenpox parties” with those who are well.
“You have to strike while the iron is hot,” Martinelli, a down-to-earth, friendly woman said. “A lot of moms are doing this.”
Chickenpox used to be one of those childhood diseases that parents, and kids, just had to get through with the help of calamine lotion or oatmeal baths. According to the Centers for Disease Control, before the vaccine was developed, four million people would get chickenpox each year in the United States. Of that number, about 10,600 people were hospitalized and 100 to 150 died each year.
Medical experts argue that the development of a safe, reliable vaccine means that families now can — and should — avoid chickenpox.
“When the vaccine came out, many people said, ‘why bother? This is a normal childhood thing. No biggie,’” said Ann Graves, an infection preventionist at Waldo County General Hospital in Belfast. “Because there is a nice, safe vaccine out there — chickenpox parties just don’t have a good place in making sure our children are healthy. We all want the best for our kids.”
The two-shot varicella vaccine can have side effects for children. Those include getting a sore arm, running a mild fever for a couple of days and getting a minor rash.
Occasional, more serious side effects include seizures and pneumonia. But still, she said, getting vaccinated is a safer choice than intentionally getting chickenpox.
Of 1,000 people with chickenpox, two will have to be hospitalized and 50 will get serious infections in the chickenpox lesions, or blisters.
“That can lead to scarring, more serious infections and serious health consequences,” Graves said.
Another risk is that pregnant women who have not been immunized against chickenpox can lose their babies if they are exposed to the virus, especially in the first trimester.
Although chickenpox isn’t often considered to be a serious disease, in Maine it is mandatory to have the vaccination before entering school — with some exceptions. Parents can opt out of vaccinations for medical, religious or personal belief reasons, she said.
However, to protect the health of all children, those who have not had the varicella vaccine must stay home from school for 16 days from the report of the last case of chickenpox. During an outbreak, that can be a long time at home.
“The more people in any community who are vaccinated, the better the health of the whole community,” she said. “There’s going to be less opportunity for that disease to spread. If there are fewer people who can get sick, there are fewer people who will get sick. it’s called herd immunity.”
But parents like Jessica Johnson of Troy, whose infected son licked the lollipop for Charlotte, said the issue of vaccinations is complicated.
“When it becomes legislated, or mandated, that’s a scary thing,” she said. “I don’t want to sound naive. A lot of [diseases] can cause serious, serious problems.”
But, she said, building immunity is more important than taking “potentially scary” vaccines, especially for parents who are so careful about what children eat, and what they’re exposed to.
“You hear stories of complications from the vaccines,” she said.
Graves said she understands that many parents are nervous about childhood vaccines, which have been controversial in recent years. Science has debunked the link between vaccines and autism, she said, but many moms and dads are still wary.
“My big thing is that parents need to be able to make informed decisions for their children,” Graves said. “I support anyone, whether they’re considering vaccination or considering old-fashioned chickenpox parties to get the information.”
Johnson said she agreed.
“It’s a difficult decision. It’s a huge burden, to read and really own that decision,” she said of the matter of childhood vaccinations. “I wish more parents would be informed.”
No matter what anyone tells you, we do not know what immunizations do to our bodies long term. It is a fact that we have more children with chronic ear infections, allergies and autism. We do not know for a fact if it is the vaccinations that cause this but a reasonable person has to believe that the increased vaccinations occurred at about the same time that kids were getting more ear infections, allergies and autism. Isn’t it time for us to evaluate this mandatory immunization program?
Autism is not caused by vaccines. The study that claimed otherwise was a bunk study done by a non scientist that has been proven to be wrong a hundred times since.
Vaccines save lives, not just your kids but everyone elses.
AMEN perifunl!!!!! I try to tell so many people this but they are so gung ho that it causes it. I DONT THINK SO!!! this ONE study was found to be inconclusive and not even done by a scientist for crying out loud!!!
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I, and my four brothers all had chicken pox and measels. None of us are dead! I caught the flu in 1958 and havn’t had it since!
What a gross display of ignorance. Catching the flu in 1958 does not immunize you from catching the flu in 1959, never mind 2012! Now tell me the truth, wouldn’t you have rather not had the chicken pox and measles? Come on, be honest.
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watchdogME – My whole family got the flu during the 1958 flu pandemic. I have never caught it since and my brothers say they havn’t gotten it either. This is not ignorance, it is fact!
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The measles killed over 100,000 last year.
Measles didn’t kill anyone! A compremised immune system or a diseased malnourished body is what kills.
just because you didn’t die from it doesn’t mean others didn’t.
People die from flu, and many other infections, because their immune systems are not working properly. People with healthy immune systems survive these infections and develope lifelong immunitys.
“Natural” immunity is being shown to not last as long as we previously thought, especially as people live longer.
Wait until you all get shingles.
People who have had either the vacinne for chicken pox or the chicken pox then carry the dormant virus in their bodies. Both groups can develop shingles at some point. The more recent vacinne against shingles is then needed to prevent shingles in those with immunity either natural or artificial. The shingles vacinne is recommended for people over 50. Read the paperwork for a shot the next time you are offered one — there are risks. Weighing the risks of shot versus disease is the right of the individual whether for religious or personal reasons.
It’s extremely unlikely for someone who has been vaccinated for varicella to develop shingles.
Same here. That was the Asian Flu, if I recall. And I’ve never had a bad case of flu since – nor any vaccinations, either. Every 20 years or so I get a mild case of flu which just might be a cold, but that’s it.
There are thousands of us who caught all the illnesses of childhood and we didn’t end up dying!
Don’t you wish you didn’t have to have had them? Didn’t have to go through it. And don’t tell me about how vaccines kill. Though you and many thousands, millions probably, lived through these horrible diseases many thousands did not.
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And the ones who died aren’t posting comments.
Actually, we need to look more at what we’re putting into our kids mouths than their arms. Ear infections, allergies, autism? I bet it’s more from the junk we feed them than the proven safe vaccines.
You got that! Artificial sweeteners and colors, mass amounts of trans fats and sugar, etc. There is way too little education on the affects of diet on our youngsters.
Who says they’re proven safe? Merck Chemical Company? Please. Or the chemical company employees appointed to the FDA? Please.
I was born in the early 50’s and I gotta tell ya, I sure am glad the polio vaccine came along. I knew a few guys who suffered from polio and it wasn’t fun, not at all. I wonder if RogueMomma has seen a loved one suffer for life, or worse, die of polio. I suffered through chicken pox as well as german measles and sure as heck wish there had a vaccine for them at the time. Enduring those illnesses was terrible in the extreme!
People can complain about vaccines, pasteurized milk, the way our food is grown or raised, and yet for all their ridiculous alarmist BS the statistics say we live much longer and healthier lives than our ancestors even imagined. The proof is in the numbers. There is nothing wrong with being alert to emerging technologies that do harm. However the vast majority of these issues are long behind us and have proven themselves over decades. As I said, the proof is in the numbers.
Had chicken pox, measles, mumps during childhood and didn’t suffer much. Big deal. Then my immune system knew what to reject and haven’t had anything like that since, excepting one mild case of shingles when under terrible stress at work and sister dying – – but one could still get shingles with the vaccine, too.
The key is to keep ourselves healthy, not depend on chemical companies’ scientists who are told to come up with something that will make money for the company. Merck is no more moral than any other corporation whose primary focus it making money.
Did you actually read RogueMomma’s initial post of what is in the chicken pox vaccine? Aborted babies’ lung tissue and other ghastly ingredients, some of which are quite toxic.
I wouldn’t have those ingredients deliberately injected into any baby of mine, I’ll tell you.
I don’t even read your comments anymore Nancy.
Sure you do or you wouldn’t know what to ridicule.
See you at the blueberry poison pesticide sprayers’ meeting this summer. I’ll be the one with the halo……..{~;>
There is no lung tissue in vaccines. Do you believe everything you read?
The Merck company’s information on how the chicken pox vaccine is manufactured states that the virus is injected into fetal lung tissue, then transferred to fetal Guinea pig tissue, then transferred back to more fetal tissue. To say there is no lung tissue in the vaccine is ignorant.
There’s no freaking tissue in the vaccine. It’s cultivated in tissue, yes, but the tissue does NOT make it into the vial. Pretty sure that would clog the needle ;)
That’s like saying there is tree bark and leaves in apple juice.
Do you believe everything the Catholic Church tells you about a 50-year-old cell line?
I didn’t learn about WI 38 from the Catholic Church. What’s your point? I’m not a Catholic, so it doesn’t matter to me what the church says about anything.
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Chicken pox and polio are not on the same playing field. Many parents choose some vacinnes over others and for at least a few more years that is their right.
It may be their right, but that doesn’t make it smart.
We chose to do an alternative vaccination schedule where our daughter was given only one vaccine at a time, rather than the 3 they want to inject in one visit. Putting that much vaccine into a little body is not okay with me, but spreading out each vaccination with nurses visits made us much more comfortable. Parents just need to educate themselves, and if their decision is an informed one and not one based on a one sided argument, well then I have no qualms with that.
If your ansesters didn’t get sick you wouldn’t be here!
The Polio Vaccine was over rated because polio was in decline for years before Salk invented it. Salk’s vaccine contained highly carcinogenic SV-40 Monkey Virus that infected millions of American children who were given it. After the 1950’s cancer went “viral” and the medical/pharms industry got a windfall in profits that continue today.
Salk’s vaccine did not. That was the oral polio vaccine.
I’m here to tell you that, I had a lot of ear infections and I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s. About the only vaccinations I had were against polio and such. There were no vaccines for measles, mumps or ruebella. There weren’t any for chickenpox either. I think my Mom had it worse then I did because I brought everything home to my siblings. She had at least 3 of us sick at any given time. I am also the oldest ranging from 62 to 40. We all survived and we are semi healthy, meaning that we are prone to most things that come with aging, that’s all.
This is a good idea, anyone know someone with Polio? I am going to have my kids get it naturally!
apples to oranges
How so?
I had a friend with Polio and was in an iron lung. Dr Salk and his vaccine were the heroes when the vaccine was given to the public in the 50’s.
It is because of the anti vaccine movement that these nearly eradicated diseases are coming back to hurt, kill, and otherwise ruin the lives of people who do not deserve it. Look no further than Smallpox.
Tell me of a single case of Small Pox in the past 20 years.
What’s worse, polio or cancer? Ever hear of SV-40? Why did cancer become epidemic starting in the 60s? Could it be because millions of kids were given polio vaccine infected with SV-40?
http://www.mindfully.org/Health/Monkey-Virus-Polio-Vaccine.htm
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“she said, building immunity is more important than taking “potentially scary” vaccines”
That’s what vaccines do, build immunity… I would be more worried about the “potentially scary” diseases and the effects those have on not only the unvaccinated child, but other people who have also not been vaccinated. I got chickenpox as an adult despite the attempts of these idiotic “chickenpox parties.” Death rates are much higher in adults and the disease can be far more damaging. Most adults these days, did not receive the vaccination due to the date it became available. To purposefully and willingly expose your child and the health of others to preventable diseases is irresponsible to say the least.
This idea that it is required by school districts is a joke, especially if a person can opt out based on “medical, religious or personal beliefs.” Basically, they don’t have to do anything. It’s good to see she is a “fully vaccinated person” though. I wouldn’t want her to have to suffer through the same things her child may…
The scariest comment in this story? “She loves chickens. She’s really excited,” Martinelli said.” Really? Chickens? Did you tell your child that suffering with chickenpox is akin to hanging out in a chicken coop with some friendly farm chickens? At least be honest with your kid about what you are going to do to her. I am pretty sure she is not going to be so excited while she is blistering, feverish and hurting. I hope for the sake of that child everything turns out OK. Hopefully she won’t be afflicted with one of the more severe cases.
Exclusive breastfeeding for 6 months and continued nursing for at least 2 years builds immunity.
Feeding children whole, organic foods including copious amounts of fruits and veggies builds immunity. Avoiding commercial dairy builds immunity. (do yourself a favor and research commerical dairy products – what a load of b.s. the public has been sold – all in the name of the mighty dollar).
Treating children with homeopathy and herbal medicine works WITH the body and builds immunity. (you know, the way our ancestors have done for many years).
Avoiding processed crap builds immunity.
Unplugging children, getting them outside, teaching them to breathe calmly….these things contribute to enhanced immunity.
Vaccines? Well, let’s just be honest. Yes, they contain a weakened form of the virus that is given to the body – just like nature would. Right? Wrong. You do not catch the chickenpox naturally via the bloodstream. So, again, let’s just call a spade a spade. Vaccines probably can do some good……but at what cost? And that is where everyone needs to break away from the money-motivated healthcare/drug treatment system that we have out there and really use his/her brain. We can try and fool nature – give the body a virus in some way to vaccinate them against that same virus….but whenever you try and fool nature….there will be a side effect(s)…It’s just a fact. Are the potential side effects worth it? Maybe. Maybe not. The fact is, while getting a vaccine probably will not kill your kid (that is certainly rare) will it predispose them to allergies or asthma down the road??? Throw in some crappy nutrition, lack or complete negation of breastfeeding, and I am pretty sure you have helped increase your kid’s chance of dealing with some sort of autoimmune issue down the road. Is it scientifically proven? No. Common sense and anecdotally proven. Yes!!!!!
Isn’t it such a shame that there is not some way to bottle breastmilk, patent it, and make billions off of it???!!! Then every person, sure as hell, would be hit over the head with the marketing campaign to give your kids breastmilk! But you cannot patent breastmilk, or good nutrition, or a wonderful immune boosting plant like elderberry, can you? And thus, no money can be made.
People blindly follow what they are told, especially their doctors. Well, I encourage you to wake up, question, look to common sense. We are not separate from nature. We are nature. Open your eyes and ears. Many doctors, my husband and self included, no longer look at the vaccination issue as black and white. Educate yourself.
My son is almost 8, never been vaccinated…and, thankfully, I was fortunate and educated enough to know that rock solid nutrition, the use of natural medicine, and extended breastfeeding as the WHO recommends will go the furthest in ensuring that he has strong immunity.
Well….he has never had anything other than a good high fever and a throaty cough. No ear infection. No chest cough. No antiobiotic ever. Would I use an antibiotic if I needed one? Absolutely! But when my radiologist husband looked in his ear and found it was inflamed 2 years ago, and I took him to my Harvard trained MD (who is also trained as a homeopath), the doctor looked in his ear, verified that it was starting to become infected, put a few drops of colloidal silver and garlic oil in his ear, gave him some homeopathic medicine, and sent us our way. 24 hours later all inflammation was gone.
I hope this helps someone out there.
Genital Herpes, Shingles and other herpes related (chicken pox) can be avoided with a vaccine. Once you get Chicken Pox the vaccine won’t work with the other Herpes viruses. And the way the world is today for G’s sake get the vaccine!!! Ever see anyone with a severe case of Shingles, I have and it is not anything I want to experience or ever see again. It’s horrible.
The varicella vaccine does NOT prevent genital herpes.
You may be right on that one, but I still wouldn’t want Shingles on my face, head and eyes it can be absolutely devastating.
I know a lot of people who choose not to vaccinate, of the people I know that got their kids the chicken pox vaccine, two of those children got horrid cases of the shingles within a week of the vaccine. We’re talking 3-4 year old’s with nasty scars on their faces because they got the vaccine. There are pro’s and con’s either way, you just need to be informed and stand by your decision.
I know someone who got vaccinated and then their kid turned into a dinosaur! OH MY GOD CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT!!!????
Your anecdotes are meaningless when compared to studies and science and your ignorance about vaccines only hurts everyone else.
Why do you assume people who choose not to vaccinate are ignorant? I have done extensive research on every vaccine that is recommended, research from people who are for and against. I have made my own conclusions and am doing what I believe is best for my children. I also have friends who vaccinated their children because they thought their doctor’s knew what was best for them, so they didn’t do the research, which I think a lot of people do, and their children ended up with severe side effects. We shouldn’t be bashing parents who make informed decisions to do what they believe is best for their children
Extensive research means researching through sources that are legitimate and peer reviewed. No legitimate scientist will ever recommend not getting kids vaccinated so yes it is ignorance.
So explain the pediatrician who recommends everyone research and decide on their own schedule. He advocates vaccinations in general, but admits that he didn’t want to blindly vaccinate his kids on a schedule that has been set by government agencys. I agree, I don’t trust the government for anything else, why do it with my or my childs health (BTW my son is fully vaccinated, not that I would make the same decision next time.)?
One doctor told you to fully vaccinate your son, just at your leisure and this means what in reference to vaccines?
Vaccines save lives. Vaccines work on a societal level, not just an individual level. When you fail to vaccinate your kid you endanger others. It is foolish and with only ignorance to opt out of vaccines because a fake scientist made a false claim and an airhead celebrity blamed her son’s autism on it. If the extent of your research is a former MTV reporter and sex magazine model, which judging from most of the anti vaccine posters here seems likely, then your decisions for not vaccinating your children are so flawed that you should lose your rights to even have custody of your kids.
Amen to that!And every dime spent on their later care should be charged to the parents 100% due to willful neglect!
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It is true most parents do not research vaccines, probably for various reasons. However, despite what you’ve said, most children of those people do not suffer such side effects. I find it very suspicious that someone so dead set against vaccines “just happens” to be friends with parents “who didn’t do their research” and their children suffered such rare side effects. Of all the 12 children in my family (that I can think of now) who have had this vaccine, not a single one of them had serious side effects.
As a parent, I can to a certain extent understand where someone with your beliefs is coming from. However, what I think people with beliefs such as yours fail to realize is that there are risks and benefits both ways…there is no option that is devoid of any risk. The question of whether to vaccinate or not then becomes a matter of weighing those risks and benefits, including the likelihood of each risk.
I am willing to bet there are many more cases of children that became seriously ill because they were not vaccinated. I read such a story of a family that did not believe in vaccinations…their son become ill with one of these preventable diseases and they were lucky their child survived. Do you know what they did once he was well? They got him vaccinated! Are you willing to risk the death of your child? It is a much more likely scenario if you have not vaccinated your child.
That was very well said perifunl.
I know people who choose not to vaccinate their kids, and the kids get sick all the time. These same parents are also reluctant to give their kids medications that will help speed recovery, so the kids needlessly suffer longer.
I have met people who don’t believe in medicine and made their kids suffer through a long horrible illness and eventually die though modern medicine would have allowed them to survive. Usually with these people religion plays a big part of it too.
Children pick up colds and other illnesses at school or play all the time. Then their bodies develop immunities to these illnesses.
By the time they’re teen-agers or late teens, their bodies should have a well-developed immune system that should protect them from most common ills throughout life.
Chemical/drug companies (all one and the same entities) are in business. Their only business is to make money. Convincing people to inject their babies with toxins is their business because it makes money for them.
This mother researched what was actually in the Merck vaccine – – would you inject your baby with these substances, some of which are toxic? I wouldn’t.
Getting chicken pox is no big deal if a child is healthy. And if a child isn’t healthy, the vaccine might make them sicker than the chicken pox would.
It’s her decision, and it’s not a bad decision. Her decision is to allow the child’s body to create a healthy immune system on its own, without Merck Chemical Company’s profiteering off people’s fears.
Did you miss the part about varicella leading to pneumonia, systemic staph infections. massive organ failure and death?
Did you miss the part where healthy immune systems in a healthy person protect against nearly all diseases? And that people with weak immune systems can sicken and die from many, many exposures, including vaccinations.
Recently mercury has been removed from some vaccinations. Mercury is toxic to children, especially. It has been blamed for the pandemic of autism in children who have been vaccinated, and who were previously just fine.
The chemical companies have put out lots of their own “studies” saying this isn’t true, but just talk to about a million parents who believe otherwise because they know their children – before and after.
We can argue this all day, but this woman did her research and made her own decision. I agree with her.
The only crackpot to blame vaccines for autism has been proven a fraud many times over.
So tell me who said it wasn’t so…………and follow the money.
Chlorine gas is toxic to children and all other living things, yet it is found in TABLE SALT! Oh, the HORROR!!!
Table salt is sodium chloride , NaCl, and is not a gas, it is a solid and is toxic in large enough quantities, but we need trace amounts of the elements found in sea salt.
Chlorine gas is deadly.
For example, the entire paper mill plant in Jay was shut down some years ago when the chlorine they were using to bleach their pulp and paper escaped into the air and hung around in the village for days.
People were evacuated and some were made very ill, even though the chlorine gas was diluted by the great outdoors. It still hung around in the air for days, making people sick.
My child IS vaccinated and she gets sick all the time; they’re kids and they get sick. There are so many other factors (daycare, school, etc.) that you aren’t putting into play. And what medications are you referring to? These families are doing what they think is right for their children, as do you when you chose to vaccinate. It’s the beauty of being a parent in a free country.
People who choose to vaccinate are also making a decision that helps protect society as a whole. People who do not vaccinate help erode herd immunity, allowing diseases to come back. I’m sure our anti-vax compadres here will have some little nugget like “Well herd immunity happens when people get a disease too, not just the vaccine” and it’s true, but first it wipes out the vulnerable, the preemies, the elderly, those with cancer…
Note: There are risks with over the counter medications as well.
I’m not sure the people railing against your decision even read your initial post here, where you listed what is in the vaccine and its possible side effects, including seizures and pneumonia.
I had chicken pox as a child and it was no big deal. I eat healthy (mostly organic) and take vitamins to keep myself from getting sick.
A couple of years ago, when under great stress at work and from a sister dying, I got a mild case of shingles. It, too, was no big deal because I researched “alternative cures for shingles” on the Internet and heeded the ones which made sense.
I ate lots of garlic, cinnamon, apple cider vinegar, etc., and the worst was gone within a few days, all gone within two weeks. No scarring.
I would NOT get my baby injected with aborted baby lung tissue/DNA…….that’s way more scary than getting chicken pox in a healthy child.
If a child wasn’t healthy to begin with, then a vaccination might just make them serious ill or worse.
When feasible and reasonable, the natural way is nearly always better. Scientists who work for chemical companies create products to make money, that’s their only motivation.
A mother who does her research and knows her baby should be allowed to make her own decisions, not be mandated by some chemical company to put toxins into her baby.
If it prevents Genital Herpes, shingles and other herpes related illnesses, how come you can still get the Chicken pox, genital herpes and shingles WITH the vaccine?
It doesn’t prevent anything… you still can get all of these things.
Actually the varicella vaccine is only for chicken pox as the other things you mentioned are different strains of the herpes virus. Cold sores are also caused by a herpes virus which is entirely different from genital herpes, shingles or chicken pox.
Okay, okay…. hold up there parents:
Vaccines are not ‘medicine’. They are weakened viruses that allow the body to be infected and produce an immunity. It isn’t some scary medicine that’s going to give your kid a heart attack. It’s not a man-made chemical that’ll give them liver cancer in sixty years….
It’s a virus. It’s exactly what you’re trying to do: get them infected so they can get immunity. Only this way is safer, cheaper, and easier to find. Get them stuck, let their bodies become immune, and BOOM. YOURE DONE!
Don’t waste your time trying to get them fully infected. It’s overkill with a bunch of bad side effects. Just… don’t be stupid please. Trust your doctor. They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to get good training from qualified professionals to know how to help you and your child. Trust them for god’s sake.
“VARIVAX* [Varicella Virus Vaccine Live (Oka/Merck)] is a preparation of the Oka/Merck strain of live, attenuated varicella virus. The virus was initially obtained from a child with natural varicella, then introduced into human embryonic lung cell cultures, adapted to and propagated in embryonic guinea pig cell cultures and finally propagated in human diploid cell cultures (WI-38).” So the chicken pox vaccine is a virus, injected into aborted babies lungs, put into aborted guinea pigs, then put back into aborted babies. What if the aborted baby had a genetic defect in it’s lungs, then that gene could be passed on to the people who are getting the vaccine, and we wonder why we may have an increase in asthma cases. Not to mention the fact that if your against abortions, and your for vaccines your literary injecting aborted tissue right into your child. There are a lot more things in these vaccines then just viruses. They are in fact “medicine” as the Webster’s definition of medicine is ”
any substance or substances used in treating disease or illness; medicament; remedy. ” People who chose not to vaccinate are usually very educated on their decisions, I know I did a ton of reading before I made my decision.
Oh I forgot to add the rest of the list of the things in the vaccine, that you say are just virus, and not chemical products. ”
Each 0.5 mL dose contains the following: a minimum of 1350 PFU (plaque forming units) of Oka/Merck varicella virus when reconstituted and stored at room temperature for 30 minutes, approximately 25 mg of sucrose, 12.5 mg hydrolyzed gelatin, 3.2 mg sodium chloride, 0.5 mg monosodium L-glutamate, 0.45 mg of sodium phosphate dibasic, 0.08 mg of potassium phosphate monobasic, 0.08 mg of potassium chloride; residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein; and trace quantities of sodium phosphate monobasic, EDTA, neomycin, and fetal bovine serum.”
You realize you and your kids consume all of those things every day right? Those aren’t magic chemicals that turn your kids into zombies, they are run of the mill preservatives.
No, my kid’s don’t consume aborted baby every day. We also don’t eat most processed foods. We get milk from a local farm, we get meat from animals we know what they’ve been eating, we have our own chickens for eggs and meat, we grow our own garden and can our own food, make our own bread, we are careful what we eat, and our unvaccinated children are healthy. They have gotten chicken pox by the age of two and none of the cases were bad at all. We didn’t search it out, they just got it in their every day encounters with other people.
Right, well in that case have fun dying of horrible diseases then!
Have fun dying of horrible diseases? What, are they moving to Africa, or getting in a time machine and moving to the 1700’s when sewage flowed down the middle of the roads and no-one knew about washing their hands before preparing food? Do you really believe the drivvel you’re typing?
Are you aware that the mortality rate from nearly all infectious diseases was in decline due to changes in overall sanitation and health and economics, and that the diseases we don’t vaccinate against were declining similarly to the ones we do, and the ones we do vaccinate against were declining in ALL cases long before vaccination started?
http://orbisvitae.com/assets/pdf/Vaccines/ImmunizationGraphs,NaturalInfectiousDiseaseDeclines.pdf
You are a crackpot loon
Wow, you are SO full of wisdom! Is there anything you don’t know? All of your posts are flames, which are technically banned and should be removed but they can’t afford to pay someone full-time to delete all of your comments.
When someone is legitimately a crackpot loon, calling them that isn’t a troll or a flame.
Read Brave New World by A. Huxley, Pay attention to the part where the tech. missed giving a vaccine.
What do you do watch them eat every meal ????..LOL
I cook every meal for them, so yes I guess you could say I watch them eat them also.
you wait until one of your children die from some disease that your children aren’t vaccinated from and then you will think twice about it. and just to let you know you can get chicken pox more than once.
That’s a bit mean spirited. This parent is making an informed, reasonable decision for her kids. When they mentioned the stats in the article about deaths from chicken pox, what they neglected to mention is that most deaths are in populations of individuals who are already in poor health, or are in some way immunocompromised. I fully support parents who make responsible decisions regarding their kids health.
Yes you can, if you do not get a very bad case the first time. And going with your “logic” you can still end up getting the chicken pox even if you have gotten the vaccination.
Why would you say something like that to anyone?
Do you wear Birkenstocks & have hairy armpits too? Just wondering is all? Do your kids touch the filthy soil. There are lots of germs & even anthrax in a lot of barnyards. Did you know that? You are PARANOID to the MAX!
Did you even read your initial email in which she points out what’s in the vaccine? Really, that would make me not have my child vaccinated, either.
Especially the fact that the virus in the vaccine is grown in aborted fetus lungs – – would you seriously want your baby to be injected with that stuff?
Gack! I believe she’s doing the right thing for her child.
Of course you do Nancy. You live in another world where butterfly’s bless your words as they gently flow from your lips. The good earth pushes up it’s fruit when you walk by. The sky clears, unless of course you want it to rain. And there is no history of death caused by anything which conflicts with any opinion you believe in. According to you we would all live to be a million years old in the blessed Garden of Eden if only we’d live like you tell us to.
Yes, and it’s lovely here. Do join me and we’ll all live happily ever after………
No I do not find myself to be paranoid, I make informed decisions, and try to do the right things for my family. Of course my kids play in the dirt, their boys, I can’t protect them from every single germ out there, and actually them being in contact with germs is a good thing. A lot of parents who completely shelter their kids are the ones who are sick all the time. But I can make a decision not to have this stuff injected into their bodies, and feed them healthy food.
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You do realize that consuming something is a method in which the body’s natural immune system is engaged, vaccination is not right? But I didn’t know my kids consumed neomycin everyday, and fetal bovine serum, that is quite interesting. Amazing that you don’t even need to know what my kids eat to ascertain this fact. Misinformation is your strong suit.
Says the person rallying against vaccines lol
The natural immune system is engaged by vaccines, too. The body doesn’t have the shiny natural immune system and then the ebil plastic one for fighting off chemicals made by teh big pharma. It’s the same immune system. Whether injected into the muscle or ingested, antigens make their way to the bloodstream and are fought off by the immune system.
So.
Don’t forget the dihydrogen monoxide.
lol
Sadly you didn’t learn the important part. That or you read the wrong books. Good grief!
The virus is cultured in a cell line that goes back to 1966. The Catholic Church has ruled that the good that vaccines do far outweigh the problematic origins of a 50 year old cell line.
I could care less what the Catholic Church or anyone else tells me is good or not for my children. It’s my right as a parent to make informed decisions and act on them for the well being of my children.
Oh, you mean the misogynistic men who run the Catholic Church which protects pederasts and tries to control women’s reproductive abilities and also tries to deny her use of contraceptives? Oh, sure, I’ll take their word – ha!
They pretty much lost me at 5 years old because there was this “you must believe and not question” nonsense…………only unthinking people who like to be told what to do and when to do it are comfortable believing and accepting dogma with no proof of any sort, especially from corrupt outfits like the Roman Catholic Church.
Pope Benedict was not only an active Nazi (yes, he was – look it up), he was also head of the Vatican’s agency that used to be called THE INQUISITION. Read up on their doings.
Benedict was not a Nazi. He was conscripted in the Hitler Jugend, and ran away first chance he got.
Uh huh. That’s what they all say. Look at his eyes.
Thanks for pointing that out.The lucky child rapist protectors like Bernie Law got a nice promotion instead of jail or death.Most of the rest of those scum got to retire quietly.
It’s not a stick and boom you’re done. You then carry all that junk in your system for the rest of your life. Guinea pig embryo, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue, chick embryo, MSG…..AND even after getting the vaccine, MANY will STILL get chickenpox. They fail to put the numbers out of the number of people that the vax doesn’t even work for. Why bother with all the junk being injected and still end up sick? I prefer just let my kids get the illness and be done with it for life w/o needing to have all that other junk in their bodies.
No, you actually don’t. And no, there are no cells IN the vaccine. Viruses/bacteria are cultured in those cells, but the cells don’t make it into the final product. You’re right, vaccines aren’t 100% effective, but they’re damn close, and considerably more effective than NOT getting them.
Unfortunately, you are misinformed. We currently lack the ability to isolate viruses from the cells that they are cultured in, which is why you cannot give certain vaccines to children that are allergic to eggs. Viruses, which can only be visualized at the electron microscope level, are obviously far more miniscule that cells that can be seen in a simple light microscope. Proteins from the culture medium will invariably get into the finished product. These proteins will often invoke an immune response on their own. In short, yes you ARE being injected with aborted fetal lung tissue.
Here is a list of ingredients in each vaccine:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
Vaccination bypasses the natural mechanisms for acquiring immunity (no mucous membrane exposure). They generate a positive titer for IgG antibodies, but that does not necessarily equate to immunity (no studies have ever been performed correlating IgG antibody titer to resistance against infection as you cannot knowingly expose somebody to a disease without violating the Hippocratic Oath). You can still become infected although the symptoms may be less.
An interesting point to make is that they consider chickenpox dangerous because of complications like pneumonia and seizures, but did you know that 1 in 1,000 children getting the vaccine can have febrile seizures caused BY the vaccine? And those are only the ones that get reported to VAERS.
As an aside, I find it amusing that the unvaccinated population is held out to be dangerous to the vaccinated population. If they truly work as well as many claim, then why should a vaccinated person fear another person that is not?
“Genital Herpes, Shingles and other herpes related (chicken pox) can be avoided with a vaccine. Once you get Chicken Pox the vaccine won’t work with the other Herpes viruses. And the way the world is today for G’s sake get the vaccine!!! Ever see anyone with a severe case of Shingles, I have and it is not anything I want to experience or ever see again. It’s horrible.”—–
I am sorry the proof is where????—I was so relieved when my son got chicken pox..I did not want to immunize him because there is no proof of life-long immunity and would you want to be 50 getting chicken pox??? Much more dangerous when you are not a child. I find it interesting when media reports on for example measles out breaks like we have had a few years back…they fail to mention that over 90 % of the infected were immunized.
The chicken pox vaccine was first introduced for those children at risk (those with asthma for example)…It was pushed through to become mandatory in my opinion for the work force not the children’s health and safety. I hate to be wrong here..but I for one was so glad when my son unexpectedly got chicken pox, I knew I wasn’t going to have to make the decision to give him the vaccine when he got older and worry that the immunity might wear off to expose him to even higher danger.
Did you immunize your child for anything?
Yes, I have for Tetanus and I was going to immunize him for Chicken pox after he reached 13, he got chicken pox when he was 11.
Just wondering if its just the Chicken pox that parents don’t want to use or all immunizations? Sounds like you had a plan for your family Thanks.
It’s like wearing a seatbelt, if it works GREAT, if it doesn’t it doesn’t. But at least I had better odds.
Seat belts and chicken pox…to me …is not even a close comparison. Odds of being hurt by chicken pox immunization vs odds of potential hazard from chicken pox- probably equal..or as my fear…getting them later in life. Like I said I may be wrong..but i’d hate to see an outbreak of chicken pox happen in adults that have been immunized as a child. Not enough proof that we are not causing more damage here. I still think the push to make this mandatory was so that businesses didn’t have to pay people for time off while home with their kids…this vaccine saved companies some money.
shingles can be avoided too, a nerve in your back stores the virus and if you put constant pressure on the nerve it will relaese the virus that causes shingles,again do you really need the vaccine and the exposure to whatever is in them realize you cant be bed ridden.some medical conditions can cause the relaese of this virus also spinal bifadia (cant spell)
This is a bit extreme, but I’ll say that the way vaccines are administered do concern me. It seems routine to load a child up on about 5 vaccines in a 24 hours period before they’re 3, and to me their immune system not being developed leaves some room for question. We personally had the vaccinations spread out over months, one at a time. I wonder if this overload is a result of insurance companies not paying for separate vaccination visits, and therefore attempting to make the choice for the patient.
How do you think an immune system is developed?
the only good thing i can see from the vaccine is the fact that if you have never had chicken pox then you’ll never have shingles. When my son got them at the age four we put our daughter right in the tub with him, i see both sides of this argument and think both sides have the right answer,just saying this story is lame and nothing that has not happened before in human history. we need more home remedies and less co-pays so to each his own no one right pill.
I’m glad I didn’t have parents like these. Chickenpox is not a mild disease!
Worth a read…I think parents on both ends are doing what they think is best for their children should not pass judgement. Not to mention that in the 70s and 80s chicken pox parties were the norm. http://www.compassionatesouls.com/chickenpox.html
In the 1770s, slavery was the norm.
In most cases—yes, it is.
And I’m not saying don’t vaccinate, just that for most kids (pre-vaccine) it was a complete non-event. My kids, who are grown now, got it from school in the early 90’s…it was a few days of mildly elevated temps and itching. Tylenol, warm baths, plenty of Calamine and TLC…and that was that.
Only one request Mrs. Martinelli: please please don’t run for political office. With your emotional reaction to rumor and faulty logic, lack of research and understanding of the subject, you have potentially endangered your child, particularly when your daughter becomes an older adult. You obviously are too young to remember the wide spread and disfiguring scaring that was quite common in chicken pox sufferers in the past. And too young to have experienced the nightmare of shingles. I realize that every child is an experiment for parents, but the flip side of that is that you are experimenting on your child. Can only plead that you rely on the experience of thousands instead of the guesses and fears of the few.
Good God. My siblings and I grew up before the vaccine was available. My brother got very, very sick with chicken pox. My best friend was incresibly ill with measles. I managed to avoid the latter by getting the shot and AMAZINGLY I seem to have survived it.
Parents who intentionally make their children ill ought to be reported to DHHS. The complications from these illnesses are in nearly every case much much worse than the minor sore arm from the shot.
Not to mention who these little germ factories expose other innocent children to illnesses. How incredibly selfish of these parents.
I agree MeModerate
Hear, hear!
If vaccines work so well then you do not have to worry about all the other children, right? If you adopted the “to each their own” motto you would see that you might relax a little more and judge a little less.
You clearly have never had a child with autism and had to wonder if it was something that happened as a side effect of a toxic vaccine. Chances are you haven’t even read the insert pamphlet for what is IN the vaccines and stopped and asked yourself if FORMALDEHYDE and ALUMINUM belong in your child’s body. I would rather my child naturally come by a disease and their bodies fight it than override their immune system with not only the disease but also the horrible chemicals within the shot.
A little research on the CDC website would drop your jaw. Every ounce of information you could use to make a choice is right there, it’s just not on the front page. You will see that the diseases all started to drop in numbers before the vaccines were even introduced, meaning they went through a natural course and were naturally eradicated.
But yay for vaccines…?
“If vaccines work so well then you do not have to worry about all the other children, right?”
A little research on the CDC website reveals that vaccines are not 100% effective, and that infants are too y0ung to be fully vaccinated for some diseases. Also there are about 500,000 people in this country who can’t have vaccines due to underlying medical conditions.
Every ounce of information you could use to make a choice is right there.
I wish I could hit the like button for this comment a hundred time! Thanks MeModerate.
I’m happy to add another 100.
Parents exposing their children through natural means to the same virus most parents have intentionally injected into their children is reportable to DHHS in your mind? And they feed their children natural foods, avoid screentime and expect their children to engage with human beings — these kids are deprived!!
Let’s place them in care with some who will make sure they get a healthy dose of boxed mac’n cheese, meat which has been injected with growth hormone, and be sure they can watch the 4 hours of the box which is average in the US. Oh, and be sure to ask the judge for permission to injected them while your at it.
That’s a stereotype…and although it may be true in some cases, it is not always.
For example, I have an acquaintance who has three children; she decided not to vaccinate her youngest against chickenpox and opted to let her catch it from another child.
She doesn’t feed her children natural foods; she feeds them processed frozen foods, chips, soda, etc. To make matters worse, they often deep fry many of the frozen foods.
As for her character….she recently cheated on her husband. She was out attending parties, and bringing her 6 year old with her. From what I heard, she gave someone a lap dance in front of her 6 year old….the husband found out about it through his 6 year old daughter.
Last time I checked all children are germ factories, vaccinated or not!
Exactly. A child is exposed to thousands of antigens in a single day, while the entire pediatric schedule contains about 180 antigens.
Why is allowing your child to develop a healthy immune system something that needs to be reported to DHHS? If we followed that particular logic train every parent who lets their child go anywhere there are potentially sick people is guilty of being mean and selfish. Why leave the house, we might come into contact with someone who is sick. The average child gets 7 -10 respiratory infections every year and they are contagious before they start showing signs of being sick as is the case with many illnesses.
Also, there are some vaccines that I have a hard time justifying for children like Hep B . If the mother has it then yes the child should get a shot to prevent developing the disease but for the most part children are not going to be participating in the risky behavior that would expose them to this disease in the first place. Gardisil is truly not as effective (it “protects” your daughter from 4 of the more than 100 types that are out there) as they try to get people to believe as HPV is something that your body can and usually does get rid of unless your immune system is compromised by other things. In a healthy individual, HPV goes away on its own. It causes problems when there are other STDs present not when it is on its own.
As for the mercury being taking out of the vaccinations, that is both true and false. It is still used in the manufacturing process but gets filtered out, to a certain extent, as they prep the vaccine for distribution. It is used more prevalently in multi-dose vials, along with Formalin (a “weaker” version of formaldehyde) and aluminum to help preserve the vaccine. There is, however, a certain amount of mercury that is still present in these vials and can exacerbate problems when children are already exposed to a lot of environmental toxins. Notice I’m not saying the vaccines alone are responsible for anything but that they may be a factor that needs to considered.
Parents should be wary consumers. I wish that I had done more research before my son was born as I would most likely have put him on an altered immunization schedule. I’m not saying that vaccines are all bad but our children are getting far more vaccinations then we did as children and quite often multiple vaccinations at the same time when there is no evidence that this grouping of vaccines is any more effective than getting single shots. Also a child’s system is more likely to develop a true immunity the older they are when they get the vaccine.
I’m just going to address Gardasil… it protects from the strains of HPV that represent 70% of all cases. It’s very effective and very safe.
The JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION has identified a CLEAR link between the the combination diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough (pertussis), polio and Haemophilus influenzae type 2 vaccine, a mega-jab collectively known as the DTap-IPV-Hib vaccine and the onset of fever-related seizures. I don’t know about you, but I hope my daughter opts out on giving this one to her newborn.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
I am a good parent! I vacinnated my oldest child because my pediatrician stated that all good parents vaccinate. I have a 20 year old daughter that back then went into seizures and was hospitalized, fever ect…. with her 7 month old vaccinations. I only questioned them because with her first set she had high fever with vomitting. I have been told since that she is never ever to recieve any of those shots that she recieved that day again. This includes her Tetnus. She got chicken pox from our vaccinated foster children 7 years later and did fine with them as well as my other children. I never contracted chicken pox, the doctor took my blood and I do not have any antibodies.
We do not vaccinate. My oldest child still has disabilities associated with her vaccinations. There is a state fund that will reimburse the parents for harm caused by the vaccinations provided you can prove the harm happened within hours of the vaccination. Its alot of redtape to recieve the funding but worth it, when the child is harmed.
I feel more money needs to go into vaccines to improve them. I feel we feed our babies one food at a time to check for allergies. Vaccinations must also be given one shot at a time. As my children advance into college they can sign for themselves and go to an allergist where they can recieve their shots one at a time and in small doses. My oldest daughter now has selected to a series of vaccinations with her allergy specialist and he gives her a single shot in 3 different visits with some vaccines. This ensures her safety. He never gives her more then one shot per a visit, this way if she were to have a reaction we would know immediately what caused it. At 20 years old she signs and is responsible if there is an adverse reaction, I no longer have to live with the guilt, that I felt when I signed the first time. I will never sign for another child to have a vaccine again. My children will sign when they are adults, luckily that is soon for my children. I only have 1 child that hasn’t found the chicken pox, we are still looking for it!
I totally agree with giving one shot at a time!
Ann Graves tells parents “to get the information.””Science has debunked the link between vaccines and autism.” This phrase is endlessly repeated in the news but in reality, every study used to disprove a link has ties to the vaccine makers. No one can point to a single INDEPENDENT study showing that vaccine are safe.Why should we believe that an ever-expanding, untested, one-size-fits all vaccine schedule is fine for every child? http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf It needs to be pointed out that children start receiving vaccinations at birth. (And even earlier if a pregnant woman receives the flu vaccine, recommended at any stage of pregnancy. The majority of the flu vaccine available come with a huge level of mercury, a known neurotoxin. This mercury easily passes the placental barrier.)Where is the study comparing fully-vaccinated and never-vaccinated children to see if never-vaccinated kids also have a one percent autism rate? THERE ISN’T ONE.Where is even ONE STUDY that disproves a link between vaccines and autism that isn’t connected to the vaccine industry. THERE ISN’T ONE.Those who deny that injecting more and more toxins into babies and small children is harming them are like those who deny they more and more pollution is affecting our climate. Where is the science showing that it’s safe to inject three live viruses into children at one time? THERE ISN’T ANY.Where are the studies that show that adding aluminum and mercury to vaccines is safe? THERE AREN’T ANY.Where is even one study on the cumulative effect of the increasing number of vaccines in the childhood schedule? THERE ISN’T ONE. http://oracknows.com/pdf/ads/070925.pdf Experts need to do their homework. They’re on very thin ice here. Pharma-funded studies disproving a link between vaccines and autism prove nothing. Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism
“Science has debunked the link between vaccines and autism.”
This phrase is endlessly repeated in the news but in reality, every study used to disprove a link has ties to the vaccine makers. No one can point to a single INDEPENDENT study showing that vaccine are safe.
Why should we believe that an ever-expanding, untested, one-size-fits all vaccine schedule is fine for every child? http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf
It needs to be pointed out that children start receiving vaccinations at birth. (And even earlier if a pregnant woman receives the flu vaccine, recommended at any stage of pregnancy. The majority of the flu vaccine available come with a huge level of mercury, a known neurotoxin. This mercury easily passes the placental barrier.)
Where is the study comparing fully-vaccinated and never-vaccinated children to see if never-vaccinated kids also have a one percent autism rate? THERE ISN’T ONE.
Where is even ONE STUDY that disproves a link between vaccines and autism that isn’t connected to the vaccine industry. THERE ISN’T ONE.
Those who deny that injecting more and more toxins into babies and small children is harming them are like those who deny they more and more pollution is affecting our climate. Where is the science showing that it’s safe to inject three live viruses into children at one time? THERE ISN’T ANY.
Where are the studies that show that adding aluminum and mercury to vaccines is safe? THERE AREN’T ANY.
Where is even one study on the cumulative effect of the increasing number of vaccines in the childhood schedule? THERE ISN’T ONE. http://oracknows.com/pdf/ads/070925.pdf
Experts need to do their homework. They’re on very thin ice here. Pharma-funded studies disproving a link between vaccines and autism prove nothing.
Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism
Yes Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism. I am sure you are not biased about this. Good grief!
As someone who has a relative with Autism, I completely understand how devastating it is to a family. I also sympathize with people questioning its roots and sources. It doesn’t make one a hysteric, a hippie, a bad parent, or soft in the head to question the establishment…just ask Erin Brockovich.
And if you’ve had–really had–experience with Autism in someone you love, you wouldn’t be so quick to scorn people who are simply trying to understand as much as they can about this truly awful disease and shed more light on its roots and causes—something science still doesn’t know.
My 16 yr old son has autistic disorder, and I understand that autism is not “a truly awful disease.” I also understand that Anne Dachel is an anti-vaccine propagandist who willingly spreads misinformation in order to promote Jenny McCarthy’s fear-based agenda.
Well said Reibel. I am sorry to hear of your son’s illness and wish both him and you the best.
No, none of my relatives has autism that I am aware of. Did I say differently? What I am saying is that someone who is screaming in your face against against one of the single most wonderful medical advances EVER, yes EVER, has to be 1. biased in the extreme and 2. pushing an opinion clearly based in ignorance, regardless of how many links she provides that she interprets to support her (incorrect) hypothesis.
The LA Times recently published this review of the new film, “Greater Good,” an in-depth look at the vaccine safety debate. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/14/entertainment/la-et-capsules-greater-good20111014The short trailer to this movie on their website http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/experts-in-the-field makes it clear that there are experts on both side and a lot of serious questions that need to be asked. The medical community and health officials promote vaccines as the greatest achievement in modern medicine yet there is growing fear over vaccine side effects.Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/
Claire Dwoskin from the National Vaccine Information Center and Leslie Manookian, producer and writer of new movie, “The Greater Good,” talked about vaccine safety claims with NY talk show host Thom Hartmann on Nov. 21. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38qPvdFit_U&feature=channel_video_title
They discussed the poor design of the research used as proof that vaccines are safe.
Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/
The New York Times published a review of the new movie The Greater Good http://movies.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/movies/the-greater-good-review.html in which they told the public that even if vaccines do cause autism, “all that matters is that its victims number significantly fewer than those of the diseases vaccinations are designed to prevent.” That’s a scary gamble for parents. Autism now affects one percent of our children and among boys alone, it’s almost two percent.Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com
I convinced my girlfriend to hold off on her sons vaccines because of my oldest daughter. So she did. She finally vaccinated him when he started kindergarden, at the schools request, as a good parent. He now bangs his head off the couch and shakes his hands constantly. He is finally talking again. He was reading before his vaccinations and taked clearly with no signs of autism. He is now autistic. She is clearly beside herself at her decision and hasn’t vaccinated her daughter, they are both homeschooled now, because they kicked her son out of school (for a week I think this may have came after other incidents) in kindergarden for touching a girl, he inappropriately kissed her and hugged her. He had unlearned good touch and bad touch after his shots. He now hugs alot and touches without permisson, no bounderies. All his fear is gone of anything or anyone and he is 8 now. He recieves alot of at home services.
I tell parents look up all the shots, see what is the worst thing that could happen to your child if they get the illness. Then go with that decision. Before you sign for the shot, read all the paperwork and think if you are the one that gets the side effects of the shot, can you except that? My girlfriend was the one. My oldest daughter was the one. When your child is the one out of 155 or whatever the current number is. It counts. There is a reason the doctor makes you sign for your childs vaccinations and tells you all the possible side effects, its not because they are proven to be SAFE! The backside of that paper states clearly that your child can die from that vaccination, read carefully before signing, because ultimately, as a parent you are the one that has to sleep with that signature, not the doctor that tells you every good parent vaccinates. I had many sleepless nights, sleeping in oversized cribs with my lifeless baby, almost 20 years ago. Then dejavu, holding onto my girlfriend as they told her that her son has autism, whom was just normal prior to his vaccinations.
HDNet TV exposed the fact that while health officials continue to tell us studies show no link, the federal government has paid out millions of dollars for compensation for vaccine injuries that included autism. Seeing these children who were born healthy and were suddenly and dramatically affected by their vaccinations should give us all pause. http://www.ebcala.org/news/video
Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/
The federal government conceded the vaccine damage case of Hannah Poling, a young Georgia girl who regressed into autism following her vaccinations.
See CBS News story from Sept, 2010 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html
Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/
Parents need to get informed. See the books, Vaccine Epidemic http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1616082720 , , and Make An Informed Vaccine Decision http://www.amazon.com/Informed-Vaccine-Decision-Health-Child/dp/1881217361/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329412776&sr=1-1
Also see the National Vaccine Information Center http://www.nvic.org/.
Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com
Dachel, you are a fool. Plain and simple. Unfortunately you will not be held responsible for all the poor children who suffer needlessly because their parents were also fools and listened to you.
Why don’t we hear about the latest research on the aluminum used in vaccines? http://news.yahoo.com/aluminum-adjuvant-vaccines-causes-risk-children-according-journal-080422429.html
http://news.yahoo.com/aluminum-adjuvant-vaccines-causes-risk-children-according-journal-080422429.html
Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com
As she is fully vaccinated, she wouldn’t have any idea how miserable it is to have Chicken Pox would she? If her 21 months old child gets Chicken Pox, she won’t be so happy trying to keep the child from scratching the scabs off and scaring her face and body. I have two scars on my face from scratching. It is not a fun disease to have. Exposing a child to any disease is just plain nuts.
The varicella vaccine was not introduced until the mid-1990s (1995, I believe); I’m not sure what year it became required for school attendance.
The mother probably had chicken pox naturally.
100-150 deaths? No matter how small the odds I wouldn’t take them with the life of my child, so I didn’t. My choice, you make yours.
When your the one. The one counts! I’ve seen the one and it wasn’t pretty. I’ve seen the one many times in fact, and its never pretty. The guilt of having signed for that vaccination haunts you for the rest of your life.
My oldest cousins and I grew up in the late 80’s-early 90’s, just before the vaccine, and only one of us got seriously ill. His chicken pox were actually internal, rather than on the skin. I got them when I was two months old, a very serious case of them, and I turned out fine. We’re all in our 20’s, and every single one of us is healthy. I don’t like the idea of giving my children unnecessary shots and medicines. I will have “pox parties” for my children if I choose to, and the government should have no say in the matter.
Let me know when you are having it I will send my son over!
Tzuriel, I think you’ll have to find someone else…I’m only 19 and don’t actually have any children yet. I was simply stating my belief and the action I plan to take with my children, once I have them.
This simply proves what I said above. It is difficult in the extreme to make an informed and educated decision regarding something as complex as vaccinations. Here we have a person blindly relying on a 19 year old who survived and has made a long term life and death decision based on 2 people who got through a disease OK. The other, older, sheep is following the first because, well, he doesn’t really know why other than it sounds good to him. Good grief! I feel bad for all the children involved here.
I am a medical scientist. I do not believe in blindly vaccinating children. It should be based on the individual child. I educate myself on antibiotics before consuming them. Why would you rely on information only from the industry making the profit. I am not for or against vaccinations, i am for education and individual rights.
As a parent I just don’t think there is any way you could convince me to purposely get my child sick so he would have to suffer through the fever, itching, and possible complications. Whether you agree with getting immunizations or not, personally I think they are much needed and serve a purpose, I would never try to get my child infected with any sickness no matter how mild. It just goes against every instinct I have as a parent to intentionally cause harm to my child, you are supposed to do everything in your power to keep your children healthy. My son is in elementary school and has had all of the recommended vaccinations without any complications.
I understand the rationale behind chickenpox parties but I just do not agree with this intentional passing of a sickness to your child(ren).
If you watched your brother suffer with it at 17 you would. I also watched 3 vaccinated foster children suffer thru it. They had it worse then my children who were not vaccinated. I have one son that didn’t get it because he wasn’t born yet. If I find a case which is rare today because I think the vaccinations are working better or people are staying home with it. Its hard to find a case. I would definately get him past it, so he would never have to worry about it, he is young enough for it pass as a childhood illness. At 17 you are one sick man.
Odd that people that are too young to remember the poor folks that were crippled by polio and likely haven’t looked in the graveyards at 19th century graves where whole families were killed by infectious agents now say,heck, my kids don’t need vaccines.
They don’t need vaccines solely because everyone else is smart enough to vaccinate their kids. If everyone did the hippie thing, these diseases would come roaring back.
So the only medical advance to save people from illness and disease is vaccines? Nothing to do with learning the importance of hydration, adequate nutrition, etc.? You are asking us to compare a time when infants died of a simple case of diarrhea associated with the flu to now, when we have emergency rooms and IVs, and say that the ONLY thing that was to blame for the amount of kids living now as opposed to then is VACCINES?
I doubt those diseases would come roaring back. First of all, today we live in much more sanitary conditions than the nineteenth century. We have a better understanding of disease transmission, and a better infrastructure to control the spread of disease. Second, our treatment abilities have made giant leaps and bounds since the 19th century, and the general public’s access to quality health care is much improved.
I don’t think vaccines are useless. I think they can play an important part in a person’s health care. I received all my updated vaccines when I started nursing school. My husband works in a hospital, and I fully support him keeping his vaccines up to date, and getting a yearly flu shot. Although my children were not vaccinated, I would have them vaccinated if we were to decide to move to a country with third world sanitation and health care.
But if you have a family with a quality diet, who homeschools their kids, and who live a healthy lifestyle…The evidence a hundred years from now might just show that they are making the right decision for their family’s health not to vaccinate.
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Later they join the service and walk through the line of air guns getting blasted with who knows what… :)
Any family considering not immunizing their Child against Chicken Pox should spend just five minutes speaking to a family who has had a child die as a result of the virus. Chicken Pox parties…you can’t help stupid.
When I was five I had chicken pox. So did my sister. It was awful, and we still have minor scars. Later as an adult I had shingles. You are prone to shingles if you have had chickenpox. What a miserable sickness! The horrible rash, the pain and the fever. The pain comes back when I am stressed out.
I’d rather I’d had a quick poke in the arm instead!!
Immunity for life its called Shingles Quack Show look it up!
Chicken pox lasts about a week. The Thiomersal (containing Ethel Murcury) stays in your brain for the rest of your life! Once inside your bloodstream the ethel mercury is converted to methal mercury and attacks your nervous system. We are told to call a Haz-Mat clean up team if we break one of those squiggly flourescent light bulbs because they contain mercury, yet people line up at ther Dr’s office and pharmacies and PAY to have this neuro-toxin injected into their arms.
People also smear toxic aluminum under their arms every day so they won’t sweat. Then they start off their day brushing their teeth with toothpaste that is loaded with toxic Sodium Flouride. A cup of coffee with more flouride in it.
Do you crave diet beverages? Maybe it’s because the neuro-toxic Aspartame, or Neotame in it is addictive. You can bet your bottom dollar that your diet drink is also made with flouridated water too.
SOYBEANS – Read it for yourselves; http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy2.htm
I knew there was a reason I breastfed. Never use D. O. either, my friend told me years ago it was linked to Altheimer’s and breast cancer that runs in my family. I don’t drink aspartame or coffee.
Am I pretty safe, never had the pox or vaccinne? I have considered vaccinne for myself because of my old age. However, I had foster children with vaccine that came down with the pox, and they were worse off then my children who caught it from them. My children had mild case all 3 of them had pox inside and out. I had them in the hospital because they were so ill and they were not my children. I’ll probably die of the chicken pox! Read all about it in your local BDN!
Thimerosal has not been used as a preservative in the varicella vaccine for at least 10 years.
What rock have you been living under Ken?
The rock of informed comment.
they will stop doing that when one of their children dies from it. this woman needs to get a clue.
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To everyone worried about shingles:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/02/chicken-pox-vaccine-creates-shingles-epidemic.aspx
To parents who take responsibility for their children’s health, I say great job! The ‘experts’ out there always complain that parents aren’t informed enough, or don’t accept responsibility for their children’s health, or education, or behavior. Then, when a parent does take responsibility, and they don’t agree, they call them reckless, or even criminal. To the world of ‘experts’ parental responsibility means do as they say and don’t ask impertinent questions.
On a daily basis, we are finding out things about vaccines that didn’t fit the original conclusions. The experts told parents that the pertussis vaccine given their infants would confer life-long immunity. Then they discovered that it didn’t, so now they recommend booster shots. The experts thought that antibiotics for ear infections was a responsible decision, but today they are dealing with antibiotic resistant diseases. The experts in the 30s and beyond even told women that formula feeding their babies was a more responsible and healthier choice than breastfeeding. Do any of you have any idea how that incredibly WRONG advice has impacted the health of generations of humans?
The health profession does some amazing work to heal people and keep them healthy. But that does not mean they know everything. A little humility is a good thing.
vaccines all the way is the way i see it. I want my child to be able to enjoy all aspects of life, and be safe. I had chicken pox as a child, along with my three siblings, and pregnant mom, not fun, not play time with a “chicken”. Down right sucked. I have a fourteen year old that was exposed to the “chicken” as a toddler, and by the time he started school at 5 and still no spots, I decided to give him the shot. Better to be safe than itchy. I think that vaccines should be for all kids.
a great example of how the information age has failed us… information is not knowledge.
In reply to Watchdog
I guess I wasn’t sick that badly with any of the illnesses because it didn’t leave a burning memory in my mind. No more than a cold would have kept me out of school. I do know, when I had my kids innoculated, they had terrible reactions, worse than any illness I ever had.
You know what the bottom line is? $$ for the drug companies and all you people who try to push this onto others are falling right into it.
It’s a personal decision.
The book “virus mania” gives an interesting point of view against the need to vaccinate. As a parent I would read it before making a decision on vaccinating.
Read “Deadly Choices: How the Anit-Vaccine Movement Threatens Us All” by Dr. Paul Offit. Those who choose not to vaccinate put all of us at risk by lowereing the “herd immunity”. They also risk harming those who cannot be vaccinated because of age, compromised immune systems, etc. Don’t want to vaccinate? Fine—but please go live in a closed community with others of your ilk. Don’t risk the health of others for your personal beliefs.
“Between March 1995 and July 1998, the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) received 6, 574 reports of health problems after chickenpox vaccination. That translates into 67.5 adverse events per 100,000 doses of vaccine or one in 1,481 vaccinations. About four percent of cases (about 1 in 33,000 doses) were serious including shock, encephalitis, thrombocytopenia (blood disorder) and 14 deaths. ”
There’s also evidence that the vaccine (which does NOT provide lifelong immunity) leads to an increased risk of Shingles.
No thanks. I’ll take my chances with the actual disease.
Source: http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Chickenpox/chickenpoxfacts.aspx
VAERS reports are not evidence of adverse events. You are repeating anti-vaccine propaganda.
Vaccines carry serious risk and as a nurse I advise everyone that I can to never get a vaccine until you have thoroughly researched every ingredient, possible adverse effect, the illness that the vaccine is supposed to prevent, the CDC website for Vaccine Adverse Events (VAERS), and National Vaccine Information Center. I have personally seen serious adverse events and even death from vaccines. It is your responsibility to know the facts. No one will do it for you. Pediatricians and physicians and other healthcare workers, politicians and such do not have your child as priority. Their priority is a theory called herd immunity. They have decided that each individual child is not the priority. Therefore, they have decided that based on data from vaccine manufacturers, the loss of some people and children and the permanent injury of others from vaccination does not outweigh their purpose of global vaccination. YOU are the only one that considers your health and that of your children. Educate before you vaccinate.
Sigh. More anti-vaccine nonsense.
You are suggesting people make decisions based upon ignorance. They cannot possibly have the knowledge and background to make an informed decision. Obviously even you, a medical professional, lack the knowledge to make such an informed decision. I agree that people should educate themselves and be proactive in their healthcare. But in a case such as this one need look no further than the long term statistics.
This could be akin to choosing not to use your brain on the theory that it will last longer.
“Medical experts argue that the development of a safe, reliable vaccine
means that families now can — and should — avoid chickenpox.”
Actually that’s not true, many medical experts do not subscribe to vaccinations at all. I think what the article meant to say is that the heavily lobbied government regulatory agencies recommend vaccines and that the heavily influenced groups like the AAP also recommend vaccines.
Chickenpox isn’t dangerous in healthy children unless it is mistreated. Instead of the constant bombardment and fearmongering that the vaccine apologists use, try occasionally giving sound treatment advice such as how a healthy immune system isn’t bolstered by genetically modified foods like those made by General Mills, PepsiCo, Kashi, Kelloggs, Coca Cola Company, Christie, Post, most kids candies, most salad dressings, how about advocating eating organic foods, removing toxic synthetic chemicals from your cleaning products and skin care products.
No, medical tyranny is alive and well in the US, Liberty is given the middle finger by the FDA, CDC and AAP.
Pharma spent $250 million in 2010 lobbying just at the federal level, no wonder so many states are trying to remove philosophical exemptions despite the CDC’s own data showing that there is only a 1% difference in coverage rates between places like Vermont and Mississippi, the former allowing all three exemptions, the latter only allowing medical.
This is another silly vaccine designed only to roll in profits for the medical industry. Chickenpox is nearly always a mild disease in children, and before the vaccine was put on the schedule in the mid-’90s, nearly all children got it, emerging with permanent immunity. I had it as a child, and when I developed shingles when my daughter was nearly two, in 2002, was very happy to have the opportunity of having her get the natural disease. The lesions were not painful in my case, though I’ve read they often is. My daughter caught chickenpox from me, had a fever and vomiting for a day, lesions all over her body for a couple of weeks, and a chickenpox scar a little to the left of her nose. And permanent immunity so that she will not have a more serious case when she’s grown. A study published in the Sept. 13, 2000, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, “Postlicensure surveillance for varicella vaccine,” analyzed 6,500 adverse reactions occurring within three and a half years. It
revealed that there were 67.5 adverse reactions in every 100,000 shots, 4% of which were serious, meaning death, neurological disorders, immune system damage, blood disorders, brain inflammation (encephalitis), and seizures. Children under 4 had a rate of serious reactions at a rate of 6.3%, children under two 9.2%. Those who mistakenly were given the vaccine in the first year had a 14% serious reaction rate.
A few of many reports made to the VAERS of adverse reactions to the varicella vaccine:
107121 a 1-year old child developed a rash, vomited, screamed, went into cardiac arrest, and died four days after getting the chickenpox vaccine.
a87553 a 2-year old baby developed pericarditis, vasculitis, liver damage, and swollen lips two weeks after the vaccine, and was hospitalized.
175928 an 8-year old child became dizzy and confused three days after the shot. The child developed seizures and was life-flighted to the hospital.
275714 an 8-year-old boy vomited and lost consciousness 10 minutes after receiving the chickenpox vaccine. He was unresponsive, diagnosed with acute respiratory distress, and rushed to the emergency room.
I did not permit my daughter to get this silly, though extremely dangerous vaccine developed to prevent parents from missing work to care for sick children. She reacted to the hep-B vaccine at birth, which I had said I did not want her to get, and screamed nonstop for four days and nights (vaccine-induced encephalitis), and was later diagnosed with autism.
If it wears off, we get a booster. I’m glad my mom was smart and had me vaccinated against chicken pox. I turned out pretty well (though here I am commenting on a news article, which doesn’t say much for me).
Mercola as a source. Seriously?
Age of Autism… people who like to exploit the autistic for their own agenda. Stay classy.
Mercola is not a source. It’s comedy at best.
Vaccines are low-profit, if any profit at all. Viagra and things like that are their cash cow. Companies that make vaccines don’t even want to make them because they don’t make money.
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Excuse me, but the Chloride found in table salt is very different from Chlorine gas. On a molecular level.
This is disgusting that these people are being given any credence.No different than that Playmate(there’s someone you should take medical advice from)who yapped about autism under a discredited medical study whose author has been thrown out of the British Medical Society.I don’t want to pay for when her child or others get ill b/c of stubborn,stupid parents-but I’m sure I will.God bless the Drs. and health PROFESSIONALS who keep us safe everyday.
You don’t want to vaccinate your kids, but you’re willing to potentially expose them to Hepatitis B (or worse) from that lollipop you gave him/her.
Brilliant!
What you call “antivaccine nonsense”, I call making an informed consent. I have given hundreds of vaccines and am painfully aware of how little most health professionals know about vaccines, let alone lay persons. What you call nonsense, vaccine manufacturers call adverse events. What you call nonsense, countless families call devastating vaccine injury. Educate BEFORE you ever agree to vaccinate. And I not only recommend this for vaccination but all medical procedures.