Deer Isle-Stonington making grade

It is unfortunate that Kevin Miller’s background information for his story in the Feb. 14 Bangor Daily News is nearly two years old. Although Deer Isle-Stonington High School was named a “persistently low-achieving school” in March 2010, significant positive results have been documented from improvement efforts initiated over the past five years.

The dropout rate is now in the lowest third of Maine high schools, decreasing from 10.7 percent in 2008-09 to 1.74 percent in 2010-11. The number of students reading, writing and doing math at the high school level increased by 22 percent, 26 percent and 19 percent respectively since the spring of 2010.

DISHS has implemented a student support system anchored by a Student Assistance Team which analyzes student data each month to identify students who are in danger of failing. Our Student Assistance Team and use of student data for school improvement is one reason DISHS was invited by the New England Secondary School Consortium to be one of just three Maine high schools to present at next month’s “High School Redesign in Action” conference in Massachusetts.

As a school, we recognize that we must continue working to ensure that all of our students graduate ready for any postsecondary option they choose to pursue, and finding the best daily bell schedule is just one piece of that puzzle. However, it is also important to acknowledge the many positive changes that our school has made in the past five years that are improving the educational opportunities we provide our students.

Todd West

Principal

Deer Isle-Stonington High School

Fear of women?

For the last year or two I have watched, with horror, the Republican attempt to minimize women. The attacks on abortion, which has been the law of the land for 40 years, was the beginning. And now, they’re trying to curtail the use of contraception. Don’t they think that women can think and decide what’s best for themselves?

Not all women want to be kept barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. I can’t help but wonder if the male Republican establishment is afraid that women might some day actually take over the major ruling positions in this country (as they have in some others).

What’s next? Take away our right to vote? Demand we wear burkas? Walk three paces behind our husbands? Isn’t that what we oppose in other “less enlightened” countries?

Carol P. Gater

Belfast

Thank you Charlie!

I want to thank GOP State Committee Chairman Charlie Webster for encouraging and organizing Maine Republicans to caucus and report early enough to be included in the national tallies. These caucuses were well advertised and attended; for the first time in my 35-plus years of being involved with the Republican Party, these caucuses got national attention. We also had two presidential candidates who ventured north to see us!

The caucus delegates who did not meet until later will still be full participants in the upcoming state convention in Augusta on May 5-6.

Sherman Hutchins

Penobscot

Thank God for LePage

I confess to having only lived in Maine for six years, but when I first moved here I don’t recall hearing the high-pitched whine from the Republican minority in state government like that currently coming from the left. In fact, I think I can recall actual teamwork across the aisle. But that all changed when the Democratic machine that has devolved prosperity into despair over the last 40 years was finally pushed aside by the voters yearning for reform.

Thank God for Gov. Paul LePage. He has single-handedly pushed both sides off dead center and forced them to defend their philosophies in public. The Department of Health and Human Services and Maine Turnpike Authority scandals have been uncovered and the Medicare disaster and its consequences have been finally spotlighted.

Gov. LePage and his administration are motivators who have shaken up the “good old boy” mentality in Augusta by forcing the Legislature to actually deal with problems decisively instead of foisting them off on future administrations. There is actually good news here: The governor is actually doing his job and all of us should be thankful.

Jerry Bono

Norridgewock

LP is priciest fuel

I am far from a math wiz. But my last LP gas bill made me take notice of something I was told a while ago, especially in light of the debate about the proposed LP importation facility in Searsport. When I contracted for this season’s heating oil delivery, it wasn’t the lowest price on the local market. Yet I paid a premium in case the price should fall below a certain number (which it had). All of these prices were more than some that were advertised by other dealers.

The point of this letter is to say that no matter how much heating oil costs, LP gas always costs more.

We can live quite well without the added dangers of New Jersey in Searsport.

Ed Barrood

Orrington

Don’t deny marriage

The recent op-ed by Carroll Conley of the Christian Civic League, in which he argues against same-sex marriage, appears to be recycled from earlier arguments his predecessor Mike Heath made against adding sexual orientation to Maine’s human rights law, which we did in 2005. The same old far-fetched claims and tortured logic are advanced to support prejudice and discrimination by cloaking them in religion.

Conley’s argument comes down to this: If you oppose my organization’s effort to hold other people down then you are victimizing us. Our prejudices — er, I mean our religious beliefs — should limit the lives of others and deprive them of the responsibilities and joys of marriage.

In reality, if gay people get married that takes away nothing from anyone else, whereas if they are not permitted to it takes a lot away from them. Please notice that since the Maine Human Rights law was amended to say that you cannot fire someone or refuse to rent to them because of your anti-gay prejudice, the sky has not fallen. And it won’t fall when gay people marry — otherwise we would have seen that in the several states and foreign countries that allow same-sex marriage.

Mr. Conley and his fellow believers have the undisputed free speech right to express anti-gay opinions. They just can’t dictate the rights of others.

Peter Rees

Trenton

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        1. Again David you know what they say about people that assume to much.

          I am a registered Republican. Voted Republican for President since 1980.

        2. But you don’t refute it.  You just barge in with stupid scenarios like the above “dump all the scum on an island”  or off the wall logic like “bomb Iran to reduce gas prices” and then leave.  You never argue your case, present fact, discuss ideas or employ rational thinking skills. You just charge in dump a bunch of screeds, over and over and over hoping against all hope that something said often enough will be believed.  

  1. Jerry Bono–You say the governor is doing his job and we should be thankful!?!  

    The “job” that LePage is doing is the opposite of what he campaigned on.  He said jobs, jobs, jobs but can’t even hang out in Washington an extra day for a high level discussion on the subject.  He’s doing alright by Lauren but Maine is losing jobs much faster than the national average.  He campaigned on “People before politics” but the “job” he is doing is serving out of state corporate masters more than anyone in Maine.  
    The only thing I see to be thankful for concerning our governor is that in 1042 more days he can retire to his home in Florida and leave Maine to be governed by representatives who can be trusted to do as they say.

      1.  The puppet master pulling the strings is ALEC: private prisons, same day voter registration, voter ID, takings, charter schools, teens paid less than minimum wage, elimination of environmental regulations…. all of these have reared their ugly heads here and can be found among the ‘model’ bills at alecexposed.org . These are not ideas for Maine. They are ideas that favor large corporate interests. They are ideas that take taxpayer money and turn it into corporate profits.

        1. Private prisons sound like a good idea.  A better one would be to just dump the scum on one of our empty islands  far enough off shore that we don’t have to worry about them swimming to shore.  Same day voter registration, bad idea.  Encourages voters who have no idea what they are voting on.  Voter ID, good idea.  In fact, with proper voter ID I could be convinced that same day registration might be allowable since someone would have to show they actually legally reside in the precinct they are attempting to vote in.  Charter schools, mixed bag.  But anything is better than the present stranglehold on education by the teacher’s union.   Teens paid less than minimum wage, guess what, most teens are worth less than the minimum wage.  When they gain some experience they will get paid more.  Elimination of environmental regulations, another mixed bag.  We definitely need some regulations but we have long since passed the point where the regulations really protect health and welfare.

          1. Au contraire…private “for profit” prisons are a very bad idea…can you imagine the pressure to supply enough in-mates for full occupancy and maximum profit….locking people up for all kinds of trumped up charges…what a bloody shambles that would be. How could that be a good idea in any way, shape or form?

      2. Try giving FakeNews a rest and look up ALEC and the Maine Heritage Policy Center.  ALEC with the support of the National Heritage Foundation, the MHPC’s parent arm, are giving GOPers all over the country their marching orders, word for word, and they are funded almost entirely by corporations.  Why?  Because like a religion they believe that doing whatever is best for millionaires is the best way to govern, everyone else be damned.  Anything that is good for ordinary people be damned, and then they brainwash their people to support this horrendousness with FakeNews and right wing talk radio propaganda.  They attack workers’ rights, voting rights, and pump millions into campaigns and lobbying to protect their corporate bigmoney interests. LePage has surrounded himself with MHPC people, and he and they along with many GOP legislators are toeing the corporate line.  That is what the attacks on voting rights and workers’ rights and increasing tax cuts for the rich here and attacking public schools and teachers and the environment and even womens’ choice rights have been all about.  And it is why Mainers shot down the attack on voting rights bigtime, and why the Dems just won a state senate seat in a Republican district, and why the Dems will crush the GOP here in November.  LePage and the Republicans LIED.  They said they were going to focus on “jobs jobs jobs.”  Instead, they became a tool for ALEC and the MHPC.  So say bye bye to their legislative majorities in November.

  2. Sorry to inform you Sherman, but the only reason the Republican caucus received “national attention” is because the party that’s so interested in preventing non-existent voter fraud, committed voter fraud on it’s own members by not counting all the votes and declaring ” theira” candidate the winner. Funny how the self proclaimed values party attracts the biggest collection of crooks, frauds, and hypocrites known to man. Charlie Webster being exhibit A, the most misguided zealot seen in Maine in years.

    1. If Republicans can’t cheat each other as well as the rest of us, then what’s the sense of letting them govern?  I am SHOCKED that you would demand that Republicans meet the bare minimum standards for the rest of us.  Don’t you know: It’s okay if you’re a Republican. 

  3. Ed, the only reason LP is more expensive is both politics and heating oil companies keeping the price high.  LP or natural gas is far cheaper outside of New England then heating oil and is 100 times cleaner and more efficient. 

    1.  Supply and demand, simple economics. Maybe if there is more LP supply than the demand can consume prices will drop… Right now oil companies know that they have people over the proverbial barrel because they have a larger supply capacity. This should give them a little competition. 

    2. I believe you are confusing LP with natural LNG. LP is a refined by product of crude oil and is more expensive than LNG. LP is delivered by truck to your home, just like #2 FO or kerosene. If you have LNG it’s delivered underground through a pipe.

      1. TerryESP   Patom1.  LNG is liquified natural gas and is NOT delivered via pipeline.  Liquifaction requires that the gas be cooled to about -240f.   Pipeline NG is delivered in gas form at 500psi and stepped down until it reaches its consumption point.

      1. its really not that difficult. if you dont like how we do things in maine, go live in new hampshire. thats what freedom is all about.

        If i dont like my job, Im not going to tell the boss how to run the company, ill just go get a job that i like.

        1. David do you always assume that you know someones sexual orientation because the are pro SSM?

          And it actually IS that difficult. See the marriage that you and I enjoy with all the privileges that come with it does not disappear when you or I travel over an invisible line called a “state border”. But that IS what happens when a same sex couple is married out of state and comes back to Maine.

          “if you dont like how we do things in maine, go live in new hampshire.”

          No, if people do not like what is happening in Maine they try to change it. That IS what FREEDOM is all about.

        2. Guess what? Maine isn’t a business. There is no boss of the state. We’re changing the laws here and gay marriage will be legal this November. The struggle has been difficult, but it is going to be well worth it. If you don’t like that, you can leave. 

        3. They never leave.  When they go back where they came from it’s only to recruit reinforcements.  They’ve been working for decades to turn Maine into some kind of freak show.

          1.  7th generation Mainer…….. how far back does one need to go to “go back where they came from”?

          2. As a gay woman I pray that the youth I care about are not gay. It is so hard to be gay. i would never recruit anyone into being hated and feared and discriminated against as we are as a population in this state. 

        1. Yes it is…but the marriage that you (if you are married) and I enjoy with all the privileges that come with it does not disappear when you or I travel over an invisible line called a “state border”. But that IS what happens when a same sex couple is married out of state and comes back to Maine.

          1. Psstttt…not everyone that supports SSM is gay, liberal, etc…I happen to have been married for 25+ years and am a registered Republican.

          2. Married 29 years. My opposite-sex spouse and I support SSM and equality under the law for all people.  We are devout Democrats.

    1. Yes, but with the price of gas they would like to get married at home and spend the money on the celebration.

  4. Spot on Jerry. Great leaders like Gov. LePage only come along once in a generation. I am so glad I voted for him, and have never doubted the decision. The libs are doing a lot of hand wringing and crying over their losing some welfare abuse, but the state is getting slowly out of the ditch. 

    1.  And, you can vote for him again. No one disagrees that fraud needs to be dealt with. It needs to be dealt with on all levels. I would like to see some of the corporate welfare abuse dealt with and to date I am not aware of that being addressed. Human welfare seems to take a back seat to corporate welfare with this administration. If both were being examined I would say it was a balanced approach. But, only one part of the equation is being examined.

      1. Job creation has also been ignored. The campaign promise of “good paying jobs for Maine people” has been rephrased to ” Maine people are dumb and lazy”.   

    2. Thank goodness they only come along once in a generation because it takes so long to repair the damage they do.

  5. Rees, you’re exactly right. Speaking out against discrimination isn’t intolerance. You don’t get to deny a certain group of people legal protections and then claim to be the victims in the situation. You don’t get to call those seeking equality hateful bigots. It’s ridiculous. It’s the old up is down technique.

  6. I think the biggest thing that conservatives have to fear about the passage of same-sex marriage is…nothing.  Zip.  Nada.

    In other words, the fears that they have been spreading simply won’t come true.  Nobody will want to marry their dog.  Or their bridge club.  Kids won’t suddenly turn gay.

    And that will show the anti-gay crowd as the bigots they truly are.

    What will happen on the day it becomes legal to marry a same-sex partner is this; it’ll be just another day for most of you.  Some headlines will be made by those gays and lesbians who were first in line, but that’ll be about it.  Life will go on for everyone.

    Just a bit more equally.

    1. Do abortions affect you personally? How about divorce or porn or drug and alcohol abuse? How about the Holocaust? I suppose we can say life went on as usual the day Roe vs Wade went into effect. Maybe not so much for the innocent babies that had their lives snuffed out. 
      This country has been in a serious moral decline for years. Homosexual marriage will bring us even closer to the abyss.

      1. Republicans keep threatening the world with this terrible mythical abyss.   Where is it and why are we going to fall into it.  Are there Republicans standing by to push us in???

      2. So irrelevant and unrelated. There is no harm in a consensual gay relationship. You comparing that to the holocaust is idiotic and offensive. You do realize gays were round up and killed in the holocaust as well too, right? Anyway, the moral decline I see is most is the bigoted language from people like you. The sooner we move away from your abyss of hatred, the sooner we’ll be better off.

      3. You are so way off target.  Try relating to the topic at hand and show any actual negative effects on a society that has allowed same-sex marriage to be legal.

        Otherwise, you’re just letting your bigotry show through your buzzword “moral”.

      4. Actually homosexual marriage was legal in many places at one time and our morals have declined moreso since it was made illegal. in addition, drugs and alcohol are more of a moral problem (and legal). In addition, homosexuals are everywhere and have been since the beginning of time. but, you would rather spew anger than research the facts. I believe this is called ignorance. 

      5. Please tell me you are not comparing gay marriage to the Holocaust, lol! Cause if you are, you really need to get out more!

  7. Jerry Bono—You might want to check on who pushed the investigation of the Maine Turnpike Authority, it was Dawn Hill a Democrat who pushed for the investigation.  Gov. Page did not have
    much to do with it.  What was the big scandal with DHHS?   The Medicare disaster was the Gov. did
    not figure the budget correctly and therefore not enough money to go around, I hope he learns before
    we vote him out in two years.

    1. To expand on your comment, while the results of the investigation were announced in January 2011, just after LePage took office, the investigation itself took place during most of 2010 and had absolutely nothing at all to do with LePage.  It annoys me that so many give him credit for something that was initiated before he even started campaigning…

      1. The same logic has been used in bad mouthing Pres. Obama.  He inherited a 1.6 trillion dollar debt from G.W. Bush (incurred by declaring an unfunded war under false premisses and deregulation of the banks) and tea party types place blame on him.  He, in fact, has pretty well turned things around but that gets buried under the noise of socialism, communism, marxism and a few other isms!  hahaha

      2. Most of the so called “right wing” don’t let facts get in their way, I think they are watching Fox and see how they operate and just continue in the same fashion.  If you repeat the lie enough they feel people will believe the lie.  Sad really!

  8. Yes, thank God for LePage, and for Webster too.  Both are ensuring that the Maine GOP will lose bigtime in November.

  9. Carol, I think you’re on the right track when you wonder if the GOP’s war on women stems from a fear of women and subsequent attempts to marginalize and subdue them.  It is about keeping women in their place, which is critical to preserving the status quo.  Because every time an oppressed group gains even a little power, it threatens the powers-that-be.

    1.  I think you could extrapolate that it is also about keeping people in their place… they just see women as an easy target, along with the poor and the elderly and the sick.. oh and the hungry… and the ignorant.. although I will say they also use the ignorant to further their own goals… feeding their fears and ignorance…. sigh…  what a despicable thing to do.. .

      1. Exactly.  And motivated by greed I suspect, under the guise of “fatherly concern.”  They don’t want anyone nibbling away at the edges of their pie.

    2. Fear of women? I would laugh at that, but it concerns me that you might truly believe that. There is no evidence that Republicans fear women, or want to marginalize and subdue them. Why would they? What could Republicans possibly gain by silencing all women? What status quo would that maintain? The one where we have women serving in all sectors of the nation’s workforce? The one where women have reproductive choice?

  10. Ed Barrood

    There are lots of reasons why LP is more expensive than oil.   It requires more safety measures to handle than oil.  The delivery company generally owns the tanks and in effect is charging you for that where people generally own their own oil tanks.  This makes for a different economic model.

    That said, if a homeowner, especially one building a new home, weighs the total cost of ownership and heating over years then LP gas may well be a better choice economically.  I heat with LP and the space heater was far less expensive than an oil furnace.  Also, the heater is direct vent and I did not have to pay for a chimney.  And yearly expensive furnace cleaning is not necessary.   I also don’t have a smelly oil tank or have to worry about the expensive environmental cleanup if there is a leak.   Gas stove works better and costs less to run than oil.   There is a lot more to think about than just the difference in cost per gallon.

  11. Carol, women are much more than people who can abort babies and absorb hormones into their system. Face reality. Women get pregnant, give birth, and breastfeed babies. This is a necessary, and a wonderful thing. It is not oppression. Doing so is not “being kept” pregnant, barefoot and in the kitchen, and, as a woman, I resent your disparaging remarks concerning the ability of human females to reproduce, as if she is just some common rat breeding all the little rats to run in the sewer.
    Most Republican men are people who have just as much respect for women as mothers, and homemakers if they choose, as they do for the woman at the office, or in charge of a company. And Republican women do the same.

    Besides, and I speak from experience, when you are pregnant, your feet tend to swell and it feels great to take the confining shoes off and go barefoot. And, where else but the kitchen will you find the ice cream, pickles, and leftover Chinese takeout? Barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen is just natural, not oppressive.

    1. Wandi:  When the choice to be a mother is yours and your families choice, motherhood is a blessed and beautiful  thing.  When the choice is made for you by outside organizations or religions it’s no longer  blessed.   It  is coercion .  Those Republicans who would like to coerce  women  into motherhood are most certainly ignoring the fact that women are more than just people that can produce and feed children.  That is the definition of disrespect. 


      1. Republicans who would like to coerce  women  into motherhood”
        sally that’s almost as precious as your “eloquent” take on “religion” in yesterdays letters. When a woman decides to have sex outside of marriage with just about anything with a pulse she is the one who took the gamble and now finds herself a mother. You want to kill the baby do it on your own dime. You want to fool around and want birth control, use your own dime for that too.

          1. Who else but the mother and father? Step up to the plate and be, you know, responsible? You can’t afford Marlboros and Starbucks every day anymore, but you’ll be fine.

          2.  and you will get the typical  “crickets”  when you ask cp a direct question……  or he will throw a jab at you personally.

        1. We are not just talking about promiscuous young women. Also included in the law are married women, who choose to not have any more children, or any children at all. What if a couple has a genetic predisposition to have a child with some horrible condition which they know will lead to very early death? Should this couple be required to abstain from sex forever? You need to expand your thinking outside of stereotypes.

          1. Shouldn’t the onus be on the men who refuse to wear condoms? Condoms are such a simple, non-invasive solution to unintended pregnancy, but no one is banging the drum about that. We all know why men don’t like to use condoms, but why aren’t the pro-lifers trying to force them to? Are we as a society simply resigned to the male’s uncontrollable, animal lust? (LOL)

          2. Would you have pro-lifers bang down the door and forcibly unroll a condom?? Sounds pretty invasive to me, and haven’t you stated in the past that you want government out of your bedroom? Maybe you meant only figuratively?

          3. Most pro-lifers are pro-birth control. There are not very many people out there who oppose birth control, and those that do don’t want it to be illegal. For them, it is a faith issue, not a public policy issue–unless you ask them to pay for someone else’s birth control.

          4. The real question is why do pro-abortionists expect society to foot the bill for the results of their immoral behavior?

          5.  I don’t know of any pro-abortionists, so I doubt that’s “the real question.”  Are you a pro-vasectomist?

          6. I just love the liberal feminist logic. Apparently you aren’t able to say no to the “males uncontrollable animal lust” which makes you no different. 

          7. Cp appears to believe all women are promiscuous. Funny, Cp never seems to understand that in order for there to be promiscuous women there must be men as willing partners.

        2. Sorry, the writing style upsets you.  How about some “styleless”  statistics on the women you imply are trash or worse.  (and you complain about my writing style???)

          55% of women seeking abortions are married
          54% used contraception that failed
          61 % have 1 or more children
          75% sought abortions either because of responsibilities for elderly parents or other dependents or financial and/emotional  inability to support a child, school or work related responsibilities or problems with spouse or partner. 

          Always remember two things:  Most women are responsible and when there is “sex outside of marriage with just about anything with a pulse”  you need to count the pulseless one into the equation.  

          1. Its not your writing style. Its your thought process that I find disturbing. Lets move on to your stats for which you gave no reference. I’m sure they came from the abortion mill itself, planned parenthood.
            1. 55% are married.   
                 Yeah, to someone else.
            2. 54% contraceptive failed.
                 PP. Tell me young lady, have you ever used contraceptives?
                 Young lady: Why yes I have, but not this time. It just happened.
                 PP: Thats fine, we will just check it as yes.
            3. 61% have 1 or more children
                 PP: Do you have other children?
                 YL: yes I have one other child. That too was an accident.
                 PP: These things happen. We can take care of that so you won’t have to, ok. 
                 YL: okay
             4. 75% sought abortions either because of responsibilities for elderly parents or other dependents or financial and/emotional  inability to support a child, school or work related responsibilities or problems with spouse or partner. 
                 PP: Tell me young lady, will having this child, um fetus in ANY WAY inconvenience you?
                 YL: Why yes. Sometimes The baby cries at night disturbing my sleep.
                  PP: Bingo! You qualify for an abortion. Follow me and we can rid you of this problem pronto! There is absolutely no need for any woman to be inconvenienced in any way shape or form. This is not your fault, you had no idea that sex could get you pregnant. We need more funding for sex ed. Thank you for taking our un-biased survey, this will certaainly help our cause.

          2. I’m really glad our worlds don’t intersect, Cp.  I don’t think I could take the constant, dreary belief that everybody is on the take, irresponsible, selfish and untruthful.  

          3. Our worlds do intersect sally… c,mon, get up to speed. Though not quite as extreme as you, I at one time held similar views. There is no way I would ever want to return to being that blinded again in my life. There’s hope for you sally. 

          4. If being blind is the price of  lif in a world where most people are responsible, honest, work hard, treat others with respect then I choose blind.  

          5. Yeah, and lots of married women having abortions are from that last week with the pool boy. Paper-only marriages are a joke, and the divorce rates prove it. I’m a statistic, too. Do you know that country song, “All my ex’s live in Texas”? Yeah, that’s my theme song. (Kidding, kinda – She really does live in Texas now, but it’s only the one ex-wife for now… See how this next one goes. Love ya hun!)

            Contraception that failed? Then it was meant to be, so let it live? 99.99% is as close to 100% as you can get, so if you’re using contraceptives and using them the right way, and it still fails… Ya know, try to be a responsible adult and raise your child? (Both parents, this is not directed toward the single mothers. Lots of love and respect for the single moms out there, my mom was one.)

            75% of women got abortions because they couldn’t find the time to take care of their child? That’s a sad and sorry excuse of things. I don’t blame single mothers who were brainwashed into thinking abortion was their only “way out” of the situation, emotions run high when you have to decide something like that. I get it, the deadbeat left you after getting what he wanted. My sister fell into this situation, and I sympathize. That’s a very common thing, unfortunately. But abortion isn’t the only solution to that problem. Most families I’ve known that fell into that situation pulled together to raise the child, without the help of the deadbeat dad. Talk to friends, family, etc. and see who will help. Adoption is always an option that doesn’t result in immediate death.

      2. If someone is coerced into getting pregnant, that is a crime for the courts to address. On the other hand, women who get pregnant because they have sex are just pregnant mommies. It is not the end of the world, despite what feminists and irresponsible fathers want you to believe. I find it amusing that you accuse Republicans of coercing women into motherhood (how? abortion and birth control are constitutionally protected) but you do not focus your anger at the liberal support of abortion at all costs–even when it means women are stranded by men who say: abort it, because I don’t want it. Now, if that isn’t a form of coercion to have an abortion, I don’t know what is. And to me that is a very dangerous form of disrespect that hits at the very core of the collective female identity.

    2. I’m all for women being able to have babies if they want them. Just as I’m all for women being able to protect themselves against having babies. The trouble is when people want to keep, other women from doing the later, abortion is legal, and so is birth control. I can remember when neither was true. I remember how happy my mother was when she 1st went and got the pill. She was 24 years old and had 4 babies. My youngest sister was planned, though not anymore loved. The pill gave my mother control of her own life.

  12. Did I offend some of you liberated women by telling you that God created men and women differently, and that each has distinct and differnet roles in society? Is it to hard to understand that women are not men and men are not women and as much as we like to think we can do anything a man can, it just ain’t so. You just had to have my truth pulled?

    1. I don’t think, many women they are the same as men. We just don’t want men controlling us, It seems to me that men have made one hell of a mess of this world. It’s time to step back, and let us give it a try for awhile

      1. Allow me to answer several of you together. There are always exceptions to every rule. I supported Michelle Bachmann because I felt she was heads above the others and would be the best choice for president. Women have taken over in several areas where men have failed in our society. It is because a lot of men do not know their roles as the head of the family, and for that I blame the men. Men and women sports are mostly separated, because women will never fully compete with men, thus you have the NBA/WNBA. It is a woman’s job to stay home and raise the children, and keep the home together. You continue to fight against what’s natural, and the results are women’s liberation and a destroyed country. Stick to your God given roles and society will function a whole lot better.

        1. Wow… pretty much what I expected for a response from you. At least you’re consistent, if irrational and misguided.

        2. Ms. Bachmann is more nut than you, and the Ricks combined. I knew that would get you going. You see Am, I know you just like to keep stuff stirred up, it makes you happy to see peoples heads explode.

    2. Amcon,  someone probably pulled your ‘truth’ because they’ve already heard it a thousand times.  Pulled for reason of boredom.  

  13. Carol P. Gater,

    Stop being silly. Maybe some neo-cons want a theology, but no neo-con is a real conservative. Neither is most of the Democrat party “liberal,” at all. Conservatives want to cut back the scope and power of government, while liberals want more personal freedoms… The two ideas are really one. You can’t have more government and more freedom.

    You see, Democrats talk about ending the wars, but never do. Then you have Republicans who talk of cutting taxes, but spend spend spend. There isn’t a lick of difference between the two parties. This is why we need to get it together, Democrat or Republican, and vote for Ron Paul in 2012. We really just want the same things, and Ron Paul is our best bet.

  14. Sally are you saying it takes two to have a baby. OH MY GOSH, I had no idea. Disregard all my previous posts. And Thank You!

    1. No I said it took two to fool around. I believe your complaint was against women that had “sex outside of marriage with just about anything with a pulse”. I indicated that I thought it took two people to do that. But I’m awfully glad that I could enlighten you about conception and procreation.

      1. I understand it takes 2 to make 3. 1 and 2 should take care of 3. Its really that simple. Even a bird has the sense to make its nest before having a baby.

    2. There are 7 billion people on the Earth and many of them are starving. There are hundreds of thousands of children in orphanages. Your argument is void. perhaps God is making more gay people (10%) according to the Pope) because he know we will all die if we keep reproducing. 

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