Don’t forget to say it
I assume that everyone reading this is aware of the shootings that occurred in Chardon High School in Ohio on Monday, Feb. 27. I hope that all parents will take time to do what the Chardon superintendent urged, to really say to your children, eye-to-eye, that you love them. Go out of your way to tell this daily.
We never know for certain that our loved ones will be home in the evening. We all need to express our love, and not by texting, etc.
Pray for the families of the victims and the child who did the shootings, who apparently is from a troubled home.
Jim Appleman
Machias
Misogyny in contraception
Throughout this contraception debate, the motivation remains buried beneath the rhetoric. It’s an effort by both powerful and insecure men to control women’s power to control their procreative capacity.
This is a huge power, and an ancient power struggle. If she has no babies, who will consume the products or make them? As they say, “Who will fill the coffers?” And if she’s not at home having babies, she may compete for that man’s position of power. This objection to contraception is predominantly male, by those in power politically or religious. If you doubt that, just follow the objections in the media — it’s mostly men.
It reflects Muslims who make women wear burkas and worship in separate rooms, similarly in Judaism. Indeed, many Catholic churches still require women cover their hair in church, not to mention denial of women to become priests. This says more about men who make those rules than the women.
If those men can’t control their libido, then they themselves should cover their own eyes! We pride ourselves on being a modern society, and yet, these incredibly ignorant and archaic attitudes still prevail. Predictably, insurance covers Viagra for men, but we squabble about contraception coverage for women. It’s OK to encourage lust in men, but not OK to control its consequences on women.
I’d wager if men got pregnant, instead of women, contraceptive devices of every kind would be available free of charge everywhere today.
Mary Margaret Kayle
Bangor
Appreciating Snowe
The American Association of University Women of Maine deeply appreciates the years of service of Sen. Olympia Snowe and her dedication to the well-being of women and girls.
In the arena of women’s health, she helped to establish the Office of Women’s Health at the National Institutes of Health, a much needed and long overlooked step. Sen. Snowe continued to pursue enhanced funding for women’s health research.
AAUW will long remember Sen. Snowe’s support of equal pay for equal work for women and of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. We congratulate her on her many years of public service and hope that she will continue to use her powerful voice on behalf of women and girls.
Bets Brown
Public Policy Chair
AAUW of Maine
JIM,
Your plea is even more important when one realizes we live in a nation of violence on steroids, as you and I do.
MARY,
Did your husband approve of this letter?
Mary doesn’t need anyone’s permission. You however should do some serious soul-searching about whether it is right for you to publish such trash day in and day out.
I agree. With the socialist government I’m living under it becomes very risky publishing the truth each day. For my own safety I’ll go under cover as an liberal african-American transvestite, and then I’ll just fit in with the rest of America.
Social climber, status seeker.
Male or female, Amcon?
Yes that would be much smarter than the old, white, male, fundamentalist Christian republican persona you affect now which is fast becoming extinct. How ya like that Social Darwinism now?
Mexico beckons you.
Why would an adult woman need anyone’s permission to write a letter to the editor?
Mary Margaret Kayle, I think you pretty well nailed it. I hope you remember this when you and your fellow women go to the polls. That is if the hard right doesn’t take you right to vote away.
After what Rush Limbaugh just said, if there aren’t some heavy duty denunciations made by prominent Republicans then you can bet the Republican Party has lost at least 52% of the electorate for good.
Don’t bet on that LuvGSD. There are many women that buy into the denigration and suppression of women. They make that bargain with the devil in exchange for an elusive “security”.
I am betting on it because those women do not vote. Maybe that’s why Republicans think women are weak and stupid, because that’s the only kind of women they know.
must be true the messiah Obama said so LOL!!!! what liberal leftist nonsense will you people come up with next. Obama is on his way out all liberals please join the parade!!!!
Old white, willfully ignorant Republican men like you are on the way out. The writing is on the wall.
Who’s gonna pay for your contraception when were gone?
I’m reasonably certain there isn’t anyone who needs contraception because of you.
You hit the nail on the head. If any these grumpy old men actually got a little lovin’ now and then, there would be no debate here. Frustration is removing rational thought and making them angry.
It’s kind of sad actually.
You don’t pay for anyone’s contraception but your own, if you have any need for it.
Undertaxed Under Obama, please buckle up. President Obama will win re-election by a 55/45 margin and your party will be marginalized even more. It is time to stop drinking the Rush Limbaugh Kool-Aid and cease your party’s lemming like march to oblivion.
You got that right!!!!!! Look at Em
Look at amconservative if you need and example. What self-respecting woman would submit themselves to his sexism, bigotry and caveman philosophy. I will bet that he does not allow her to vote or controls her so much that he tells her who to vote for. Need proof? Look at his postings about women.
Quite a few misogynists post here on a daily basis. They’re all the same.
If you listened to what Rush said instead of the liberal media twisted version of what he said you would not be so upset
I heard what he said. He’s a pig and you are defending him.
There’s a big difference between HEARING the edited version through the left wing media and actually LISTENING to what he said.
I have tried to listen to Limbaugh, unfortunately I can’t afford the anti-nausea medication that would allow me to listen to the same diatribe and you calling in with more mega dittos.
But, I’m sure Rachael Maddow or Ed Schultz or Chris Matthews helps calm your nausea. Right?
Actually, I haven’t listened to any of them. Do you? I used to listen to Larry King when I was driving truck. In fact that is where I first heard about Limbaugh. I listened to him on a few occasions and quickly found that his consistent answer to everything that is wrong with the world was to blame it on communist, Democrats, liberals, left wing pinkos. Usually preceeded with “I have it right here in black and white ladies and gentlemen.” rustles some paper under the mike. “here it is proving what I said.” rustling more paper. Then the proverbial caller would call in and agree with everything Limbaugh says, not forgetting the obligatory “Megga Dittos” thrown in.
Yep. That’s what we like about him.
But, now that he’s issued an official apology to Ms. Fluke, you gonna’ forgive him?
Whats to forgive? When I hear him or of him one of my mothers favorite sayings comes to mind. “you can’t expect anything but a grunt from a pig”.
He accomplished what he wanted, that is got his name in the press again.
It is so wonderful that you have someone to spoon-feed you your opinions. It saves you all that very hard work of thinking and reading.
Ridiculous.
I listened ….. he used the word sl*t and the word prostitute when he spoke of Ms. Fluke and her peers ….. there is no defense for his words.
Yes, he used both of those words, and in relationship to Ms. Fluke. However, used in the context he used them in, he was correct. Ms. Fluke’s education at Georgetown is upwards of 50 grand a year, and, as she admitted, most of that is being paid for through grants or loans, much of which she may never have to pay back. And her testimony, that brought tears to Pelosi’s eyes (pitiful), made her sex life sound more important than her education. Aparently Ms. Fluke wasn’t educated enough to realize that the Dems were simply using her for their own political gain. They allowed her to make a complete fool of herself.
The only fool is you for defending Limbaugh so staunchly.
The only one who made a fool out of themselves were Limbaugh and his supporters
How can you assume she won’t repay student loans? They don’t just go away, believe me I paid on mine for 18yrs.
EJ, I listened to what he said. Were he to call your niece a prostitute, suggest men were lining up to have sex with her and demand to see sex tapes involving her would you not come to her defense?
Have you no shame?
What would Jesus say?
Jesus would call the woman out for having sex out of wedlock, and then going on national TV to tell of the shame of not having someone else pay fot the contraceptives she needed to protect herself from the possible outcome of her sleeping aroung. And if she sought forgiveness from Christ, He would tell her to, “Go and sin no more.”
EJ, you should first read John 8:1-11. The pharisees brought a woman who had committed adultery before Jesus and pronounced that the Bible called for her stoning. Jesus said “Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.” One by one everyone left without touching a stone. Jesus then turned to her and asked “Has no one condemned you?” She replied, “No.” He then said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.”
It is sad that you are so disconnected from your professed religion. Your condemnation, your “stoning” of this woman, is unChristian in the deepest meaning of that word. I trust that you do not claim to be without sin. I suspect that you may have engaged in pre-marital sex. Yet you disobey your teacher and, although you are not without sin, you cast stone after stone after stone.
Have you no shame? Do not the words of Christ mean anything to you? He most assuredly did not condemn a woman who had committed adultery. He would not condemn you for your own sins, even the sins that are reflected on this web page.
Yes! Well said!
Guess you missed the part where Jesus met the woman at the well. Ms. Fluke is standing at the well.
If you want to liken John 8:1-11 to this situation, then Nancy Pelosi and the Dems are the Pharisees. By the way, I already said that the Dems are at fault for using her for their own political gain.
The story of the Samaritan woman at the well, John 4:1-40, provides even less support for you and your Messiah, Rush. Jesus spoke neither words of condemnation nor scorn to this Samaritan woman. It was remarkable for a Jew to speak in this situation at all: she was a Samaritan, a woman, and was coming at an hour that suggested her own people shunned her. Jesus, without inquiry, knew that she had been married five times, and was living with another man to whom she was not married. He shared this with her as proof of his powers that she might bring other Samaritans to him to hear the word.
That you would defend Rush for his actions and words suggests that you have begun to follow a false prophet.
Rush is apparently oblivious as to how birth control works, as are many male posters on this site. Unlike Rush and his Viagra, it is not something one takes just before the act, but something one takes almost daily, whether she is sexually active or not. Many women take contraceptives for reasons unrelated to birth control: to produce more regular menses, to reduce the chance of abnormal growths, etc. Ms. Fluke did not talk about her purpose for taking contraceptives. Every woman I know who takes contraceptives has a single partner.
Since you are still throwing stones, I take it that you believe you are without sin and never once engaged in pre-marital sex. I find that as unlikely as most of your other beliefs. Jesus would find you as hypocritical as the money-changers whom he threw out of the temple.
You have completely lost your mind. I know very well the story of the woman at the well. And it does support what I said in prior comments.
I only follow one Messiah, and that is the True Messiah, Jesus Christ. I am very well versed in His life, His message, and His teachings. Never once did Christ tell anyone to remain in their sin. And through His dialogue with the Samaritan woman, he did condemn her lifestyle, and her reaction to what He said proves it.
By the way, I’m not throwing stones. I have opinions and beliefs just like others on here. Trouble is, since mine don’t line up with yours, or some others, I must be delusional. Actually, the delusional ones can be seen in the mirrors of several of you here.
And, in case you didn’t hear, Limbaugh released an official apology to Ms. Fluke today. You going to forgive him?
You need to re-read John 8:1-11 and John 4:1-40. Neither contains a single word of condemnation. In the former, Christ says to sin no more; in the latter he is silent about the woman’s sin. Please quote me the chapter and verse that support your claim.
You have obviously never read Ms. Fluke’s testimony. Not once did she speak of her need for contraceptive coverage. She spoke of the needs of other women. She used the word “we” in reference to the organization at the Law School she represented.
I have also read Limbaugh’s (Messiah to you) “apology.” It is the classic: “I’m sorry if you were offended.” He acknowledges the “insulting word choices” but then goes on to claim, falsely, that Ms. Fluke was talking about recreational sex. She was not. Read her testimony: most of it is devoted to women with a critical medical need for contraception and the gauntlet they must go through to prove that they aren’t simply trying to avoid getting pregnant.
The moment Limbaugh writes a letter to Ms. Fluke saying that he was wrong and speaking out of ignorance, I will consider that an apology. Posting something on your website because so many of your advertisers are bailing is another matter. Having failed to save face he is desperately trying to save the other end of his person.
It’s all right. You did exactly what I expected you would do.
I read a book that you are obviously unfamiliar with, despite your protests to the contrary. Your intelligence is conspicuous by its absence. The test for hydrophobia really does not cost that much, even if you don’t have insurance.
Delusional.
The woman was not talking about herself having sex and wanting the contraception to be paid for with the help of insurance (there would be nothing wrong with her saying that if it was true) but instead she was talking about a friend who lost an ovary because her insurance did not provide coverage for contraception even though the prescription was to get a medically needed drug to save her ovary not to protect her from sexual relations.
Any man that condones, another man calling, a young women he does not know a sl^t, on a nationally syndicated radio show, is no kind of a man. Using birth control, does not make you a sl^t, I used it when I was young because, I had debilitating craps, would miss 1 or 2 days of school every month. Even with that I was not having sex.
Limbaugh did get a little riled up in his rant, and he did say some things that may have been better left unsaid. However, if you actually followed his entire monologue about the situation, you would see that in the context of what he was saying, even though on the edge, he was basically right.
And he did manage an apology the next day. But, I’m sure the mainstream media passed right over that.
Complete and total hypocrisy.
I followed it. It was disgusting. He had no point and he didn’t apologize the next day, he said he’d like to the tapes of her having sex in exchange for contraceptive coverage.
There is nothing decent or right about this man. He dishonors the rights of the First Amendment.
Well, since he released an official apology today, you going to do the right thing and forgive him? After all, that’s what we are always asked to do when a lib apologizes.
You would take the time to listen to a convicted drug user??
I do believe that it has already been confirmed that if the young lady had a perscription for birth control pills due to debilitating cramps, that perscription would have been covered.
Givne your history of homo and xenophobia, bigotry, sexism and anti-christian and American postings on this forum. You lack any credibility whatsoever.
Given your history of never adding anything pertinant to a dialogue, looks like you’re in the same boat.
And yet DD isn’t the one defending a guy who repeatedly called a woman a sl**. You’re going to talk about things being pertinent to the dialogue? What a joke.
Official apology released by Limbaugh today. Is he forgiven?
Are you apologizing?
For my opinions and beliefs? No.
He lied in the apology about the nature of her testimony. His apology was conditional, like I’m sorry if I offended you. It was a non-apology.
Your hypocrisy was astounding today in defending Limbaugh. If the shoe was on the other foot you’d be harping on this non-stop, regardless of apology. You constantly take things out of context to criticize those you disagree with, yet today you lied and defended Limbaugh saying his statements were out of context and distorted (they were not).
You’re incredibly inconsistent in your criticisms and that shows you exactly for what you are.
DD doesn’t defend anyone. He only insults.
You insult and you also defend those who insult. So what is your issue? This behavior is only allowed if politically you agree with them?
Your listening choices say a lot about you.
You forgot to say ‘mega dittos’.
Why, Rush is as charming as the Pied Piper of Hamelin.
An astute comparison.
As Limbaugh pipes away are the rats merrily following him?
Rats and children. Rush has had four wives and no children. I gather he believes all the women he ever fornicated with were sluts and prostitutes, including his wives. I won’t judge his wives, but to paraphrase Mae West, when I see an attractive woman on an old man’s arm I think he must be very rich.
This morbidly obese, drug addicted, loud-mouthed, serial adulterer earns a nice living saying such things. So yes, I would say rats and children would be a kind way of describing the types of men who comprise his audience, though it isn’t a very nice thing to say about rats or children.
Has Willard Mitt Romney denounced Limbaugh yet? Will he, like his movie namesake, have problems with the ratpack that follows Limbaugh?
Did you happen to see Bill Maher last night? James Carville said the GOP has crappy candidates because its supporters are, well, crappy. (paraphrasing)
I did not, but I have heard Carville paraphrase Lester Maddox (“You won’t get better prisons until you get a better class of prisoners.”) by saying Republicans won’t get better candidates until they get a better class of Republican voters. Judging by the Republican posters on this page, it will be a very long time before Republicans get a better class of candidates.
Yes, that sounds more like what he actually said than what I remember! Lol
I would love to see the “context” you speak of that puts equating taking the pill to prostitution into a good light.
I listened to Mr. Limbaugh. He seems very angry at women. He used obscene language. He also seems very unbalanced. The FCC really ought to revoke his right to spread such filth over the public air waves.
Neither you nor luvGSD listened to Limbaugh. You only heard edited version. Give it a break. I do believe, however, that you would support censoring him, and every other person on the right. Good luck with that.
Yeah, calling her a sl*t repeated. POOR GUY. He’s really being abused and mistreated by the media. Oh, I feel sooooooo sorry for him.
Neither you nor I have the right to censor him. We both have a moral obligation to denounce him.
If you want to go on morals, Nancy Pelosi should be denounced for bringing this young lady before the House and allowing her to totally embarrass herself, the university, and women in general. Ms. Fluke was used and abused by the Dems for political purposes only.
Yeah, keep changing the subject when you know you’re wrong. No one will notice. Keep defending a guy that repeatedly called a woman a sl**. You know if the shoe was on the other foot, you’d be harping on it for years like you do with garbage like birth certificates. Your hypocrisy is so obvious.
I am disappointed in you. In America, public debate should be an exchange of ideas not an ad hominem or ad feminem attack. Denouncing someone for slander is step one to improving our civic dialogue. Ms. Fluke has the ability to bring a slander claim against Limbaugh for calling her a prostitute and could recover significant punitive damages as what Limbaugh said is so despicable that the law considers it slander per se.
What has happened to the right wing I once knew? William Buckley would roll over in his grave to see what passes for conservative opinion with the likes of Limbaugh.
Ms. Fluke is considering a slander claim per news reports today. Seeing Rush Limbaugh brought before a jury would be the sweetest justice I could imagine! Let the jury award compensatory damages based upon the size of his listening audience and punitive damages proportionate to his wealth. 200 years ago he would have likely answered for his words with his life in a duel with Ms. Fluke’s father. Today he might answer with damages of tens of millions of dollars.
‘Twould take an awfully brave attorney to take on such a case on behalf of Ms. Fluke, the Hester Prynne of our time.
It won’t tale a brave attorney, but it will take some special chairs in the courtroom to support the defendant’s rather large presence.
What’s it feel like to hate someone that much?
Ask Rush.
I don’t hate him at all. I pity him. I also believe in personal responsibility. If he slanders someone, the law is crystal clear: he must pay. Ms. Fluke will be able to meet the test of Supreme Court case law that places on her a higher standard for proving slander because she was a public figure before the slander. After that, the fact that this slander was so widely distributed and repeated makes the likely compensatory damage award huge. The punitive damage award would be based on an amount sufficient to punish Limbaugh for his recklessness, an amount sufficient to sting.
Limbaugh has lived in a consequence-free world without any responsibility for truth, civility, or decency. This Pied Piper of Hamelin whose flute-playing has so entranced the rats of this world might have to pay a different piper.
A large verdict might bring Limbaugh into the world of adult behavior. His listeners are another story: they will remain perpetual adolescents.
” A large verdict might bring Limbaugh into the world of adult behavior. His listeners are another story: they will remain perpetual adolescents.”
That’s a very interesting observation. How sad that it is true.
Limbaugh, Beck, O’Reilly and Hannity are actually driving their party so far to the right that they are assuring President Obama’s reelection. However, the party they have created no longer believes in governing.
Perhaps you should ask Mr. Limbaugh that question.
What are you prattling on about, EJ. Georgetown has issued a statement in support of Ms Fluke. Women of all political parties have rallied to her support. President Obama called her to show his support. She has not embarrassed either herself, her family or women in general. Advertisers are pulling their ads from Mr. Limbaugh’s program. What makes you think she has been used and abused…….. well except by a foul mouthed, sexually obsessed, psychologically deranged, political clown.
( EJ makes Limbaugh look like George Clooney.)
How can anyone with a shred of intelligence give any consideration to that washed up drug user? That fact that he still has a forum to spout from speaks volumes about the dumbing down of America, the man is a convicted drug user for crying out loud!
What the flip are you talking about? Ms. Floozy, er, Fluke is at least a few watts shy of a low-powered compact fluorescent. If Georgetown’s best and brightest is spending $1000 a year for birth control, she is either as Rush described, not a real smart cookie (generic contraceptives are available for as low as $4 a month) or a pawn used by the Democrat establishment.
Seeing that she went to Georgetown not primarily to get an education, but with the express purpose of challenging the school’s practices, and then selling her soul to the D’s, I’d say his description of her was right on.
I was raised to respect women. Sadly, you were not. Your lack of class is depressing for someone whose name suggests he is a father who leads.
His daughter wears a burka.
They actually both wear smiles because they know that they have a father who cares and sacrifices for them and wants the best for them.
No burkas, but they do wear modest clothing because they have respect for themselves. Much more so than Ms. Fluke.
Were you to read her testimony you would discover that she never once mentions her own use of birth control, but is speaking of others. Let us not let facts get in the way of your rage.
Completely disingenuous of her…because that’s precisely the reason she went to Georgetown – to challenge the status quo, regardless of the circumstances.
Hopefully no one speaks of your children the way you speak of others.
To this point, they’ve not given others the reason to, as Ms. Fluke has.
I’m pretty sure he isn’t anyone’s dad. Would bet good money that no woman wants his sorry @$$ neither. Yessah. (props to munbaght)
Dad to 3 great kids. Ayuh!
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. There are many reasons for taking contraceptive medications. Preventing pregnancy is only one of them. And yes, contraceptives especially for medical reasons can cost up to $1000 a year.
You must always Remember Republicans do not think beyond one step/point
Didn’t even have to think about this one. Read her testimony. Georgetown covers contraception when it’s medically necessary.
Case closed. Sally’s argument moot.
At least I was able to make a point. Both you and she never got out of the starting gate. Next?
Sadly, you have not read her testimony. She talks of the hoops women have had to go throught to prove that pregnancy-prevention is not the purpose of the prescription. If you are employed, I am certain that your employer’s health insurance policy covers the cost of your Viagra, without proof that you and your wife intend to have more children.
You read the testimony, you liar.
And according to Fluke’s own testimony, Georgetown provides coverage for contraception when it’s medically necessary.
Beyond that, Ms. Fluke and her 30 year old law school friends are without excuse for either not knowing Georgetown’s policy and enrolling or for willfully enrolling for the primary purpose of challenging the policy. Finally, why should we believe anything she says, given her propensity to misrepresent herself, including the sad story about the 32 year old friend with the ovarian cyst?
Check it out – it’s on something called the internet. Who doesn’t have a clue?
Next?
You just pull garbage out of your behind and assume it is fact. It’s ridiculous.
Actually, I pull it from her own testimony which says, “A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.”
If it’s a medical necessity, Georgetown’s policy covers it for the student. Apparently, G-Town won’t cover contraceptives only when they’re intended to prevent pregnancy. How ’bout that?
If you don’t believe me, will you believe her own testimony?
You OBVIOUSLY didn’t read the entire testimony, because your 4 dollar thing is complete garbage. Maybe you can get SOME for that price, but not all of them. Her friend’s out of pocket expenses were over 100 a month. Further, she CLEARLY states that some schools do allow the medical exception, but there is no requirement to do so. So while Georgetown does, it isn’t a requirement.
So, yes, I do believe the testimony and no, I don’t believe your cherry-picked, out of context statements.
You get what you pay for with birth control: the less expensive it is, the less reliable. One would think that anyone wishing to prevent abortions would want women to have the most reliable contraception available — which *is* expensive.
How expensive? I’ve done some pricing online and what I’ve found is that the cost is no where near $1000.
BTW, the most reliable 100% guaranteed contraception is absolutely free.
Next?
Providing evidence that what is up here is not really being against contraception — it’s about being anti-*sex*!
It has nothing to do with women’s rights, religion, or that anyone thinks that they are weak, or stupid. It has to do with personal responsibility, male or female. We do not want to pay for your contraceptives, and we don’t want to pay for your children. If you can’t afford contraceptives, then you sure as h*ll can’t afford a child, and must be expecting the rest of us to pay for it right from the start.
If you don’t have the responsibility to get your own contraceptives, and use them, then you are not responsible enough to be having sex in the first place.
Does everyone have the “right” to have sex? If so, how long before we will be required to pay for someone’s Viagra, because they have the right to have sex too?
Once again it must be the womans fault. Lay it all on the woman. It’s her fault that you wish to have sex with her. If she wasn’t in sight you would be perfectly happy. Why can’t she get her own contraceptives. By the way, how are things going for you in Saudi Arabia. I heard that the women over there are tired of not being able to drive.
Perhaps you should re-read. I said male or female personal responsibility. I never said anything was the woman’s fault.
There is also plenty of women driving in SA, so I don’t know where you think you are going with that.
Sorry missed the male or female part. The general tone of your post belies that little mention of male.
Uh….not legally they aren’t.
Insurance now covers viagra.
Once an employer offers health insurance, it must cover pregnancy on an equal basis with purely male conditions. That has been the law longer than you have probably been alive. Expanding a policy to cover contraception lowers its cost, as the number of pregnancies policyholders experience goes down.
At some point I will be paying for your Medicare coverage. As the Medicare tax is applied to all earned income, without an income cap, like Social Security, I will likely have paid more in Medicare taxes over my lifetime than you. I suspect that you will use the Medicare system more than I. My diet and exercise habits have been such that my risks for diabetes and cardiovascular disease are non-existent or extremely low. Thus, when you experience your first extended hospitalization under Medicare, Iwill be one of the healthy Americans who have paid for your lifestyle choices.
If you don’t like my subsidizing your future health care, then burn your Medicare card when you turn 65.
Are you saying that if you are poor you shouldn’t have sex? Yes? OK, how are you going to enforce that? How will you go about determining who is having sexual relations? What will the investigator, police and court costs be? How much will incarceration cost? What kind of training program will you run? What will your recruitment posters look like?
Wouldn’t it be simpler and cheaper to include contraceptive coverage in health insurance?
To paraphrase Randy Newman, poor people got no reason to live.
Perhaps he wishes to bar Republicans from having sex or at least from reproducing. Think of it as his modest attempt to improve the species.
You would not be paying for anyone’s contraceptives. The employer and employee would be paying for a health insurance paln that covers the costs of a prescription. The employee would most likely have to pay a co-payment as well, just like any other prescription.
Stop with the “we do not want to pay for your contraceptives ” crap. It is just not true.
Mary. It’s amazing how much the big three have in commen when it comes to some of there more stricter rules and regulations.
here’s my take on the whole religion and birth control issue. I don’t think that the Catholic church should be forced to provide birth control. I also don’t think that they should be a tax free organization. Tax them like everyone else.
Churches are exempt from this rule, they were both before and after the compromise offered by the Obama administration. They are exempt because they are performing a purely religious function. Only church-affiliated entities such as hospitals and universities are required to provide employees with insurance that includes contraception coverage.
Did not Kathleen Sebelius state that fewer pregnancies would offset the cost of contraception to taxpayers?
What an astute woman we have as head of the Department of Human Services in D.C.!
I know you’re being sarcastic. We both know that, in truth, all the members of Obama’s Cabinet are ill-equiped for their assigned positions. As are all of his czars (of which we hear so little).
Some Catholic churches still require women to cover their heads. I’m appalled by the injustice. And all the while men are allowed to wear hats in church or not. Stop the oppression!
Yea, there called nuns.
A portion of Flukes testimony:
“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman
over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public
interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the
female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially
as a result of this policy.
“One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was
standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that
contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away
because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but
to go without contraception.
“Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using
contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget
anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the
same choice.
What a bunch of hogwash. A dozen condoms cost maybe 10 bucks. So for $3000 she could get 3600 condoms. So what she is saying is she has a need for 3,28 condoms a day each and every day for three years of law school?
Where does she find time to study?
You’d think an aspiring welfare queen would know there’s more money in having kids anyway.
How about we just incarcerate any male caught spilling his seed.
She’s in law school.
Yeah, that’s telling them. First them women complain that they have to work the hardest raising your children then they complain about the cost of preventing you from impregnating them. The next thing you know they will want you to pay for the medical care needed from you giving them an STD. How dare they.
Condoms are supposed to be used and paid for by men.
If women are already getting free birth control, the new rule isn’t necessary.
Why don’t you bone up on the law.
According to feminists, you’re wrong. Anything inside the female body is theirs and theirs alone to do with as they please.
You sneer as if the concept that people’s bodies are private as if you think it is not true. How do you feel about the privacy of you own body?
Exactly and these are the people who screech about having to wear a seat belt.
Why are you changing the subject? All I did is parrot back the line that I’ve read countless times from liberals. You don’t like it being thrown back at you?
It is indeed a little crass, isn’t it, when you and others consider an unborn child, who possesses his/her own unique DNA, just a blob of tissue inside of a woman’s body, that can be sucked into a vacuum tube and disposed of.
Who is changing the subject????????? LOL
MADE FROM LAMBS SKIN
She is talking about contraceptives for women not condoms. And, yes, some kinds of contraceptives are that expensive. Perhaps you should do some research before you try to ape Mr. Limbaugh and his immature attack on Ms Fluke.
Do you want your employer to control the medicine you can purchase?
About 40% 0f women taking hormonal brith control – “the pill” – do it for medical reasons other than contraception.
What you left out of your ignorant cut-and-paste job is that the women in that testimony needed BC pills to treat an ovarian disorder.
RW cut-and-paste fail.
yessah
What you missed is that Fluke in her own words also said, “A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.”
She admitted that Georgetown covers contraception when it’s medically necessary. What you left out of your ignorant response was the truth.
Yessah, Deah!
Mary, It is sad that man made institutions have created such socially accepted control over the lives of women. Atrocities are committed every day in the name of theses institutions, sadly many of the oppressed accept this without question.
Mary, nobody gives a hoot about anybodys desires, we just don’t want to pay for it. I haven’t heard of free viagra, if its out there it needs to be stopped as well.
You can try and spin this any way you want, everybody realizes what this is about.
Yeah, those monthly premiums don’t count for anything at all, right?
Viagra is covered by insurance.
The only ones paying for “free birth control” are the women who pay for that insurance.
All they want is no co-pay and no deductible for it – as part of the policies they WORK and PAY for…
Just because a sociopath misogynist college drop-out on the radio says it – doesn’t make it true.
yessah
Mary, I agree 100% that contraception (condoms too!) should be covered, especially since viagra is as well. You could make the argument that neither should be covered, but I’m against cherry picking coverage “objections”.
BUT, women are at least 50% of the electorate (guestimating, since women live longer!). This can be a non-issue in the next election cycle if women really believe it is all motivated by men trying to run their lives. I think the issue is more complicated, which is why women fall on both sides of the issue…
The citizens of the Vatican, the Bishops of the Roman Church are staunchly behind the ban on contraception coverage for women who are at best treated as second class citizens.
They keep entering into the forum of the State and then object when the State enters the forum of the Church. Quid pro quo. They ask for it.
God has endowed each spirit with a human body to be responsible for; anything that occurs within the confines of my body are strictly under the jurisdiction of myself, nobody’s business but my own. Not the Church, not the State. All medical matters are private.
Un-alien-able rights.
Too bad Sen. Snowe didn’t emulate her predecessor, Margaret Chase Smith, and read a “Declaration of Conscience” on the Senate floor when the incivility began to escalate.
In all the furor over contraceptives it has been totally forgotten that coverage was included in the health care package by the United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) and not by women demanding a “right”.
The USPSTF was asked to research and recommend the services and medications that gave the biggest bang for the medical buck. Immunization of children and contraceptives for women were among those things gave the greatest medical savings for the smallest amount of money.
Contraceptive coverage reduces medical care costs, end of story. That’s why it’s in the insurance package. Insurance companies want it there. It has nothing to do with sex. It’s about health care and the cost of health care especially for women with limited or no financial resources.
Men that continue to use lewd words to describe women and intercourse are revealing something psychologically disturbing about themselves, not the women they denigrate.
Sally, we are casting pearls before swine. To paraphrase Dr. Samuel Johnson: “Willful ignorance is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”
“Hope springs eternal” Alexander Pope