Is there really a GOP war on women? The Democratic national chairwoman has said so, and the Democratic campaign committees of both houses of Congress are saying so and soliciting signatures on petitions denouncing it. The campaign committee in the House of Representatives claims to have gathered nearly a half-million signatures and raised $1.1 million in its “War on Women” campaign to defeat Republican candidates.
A good place to start is with the latest presidential news conference, when President Obama was asked if he agreed with the chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz. He avoided a direct yes or no but said “we’ve got a strong story to tell when it comes to women.” He said he didn’t believe women are going to be single-issue voters. He added that “there are millions of strong women around the country who are going to make their own determination about a whole range of issues.”
With the president thus a bit above the fray, the idea of a Republican war against women, if perhaps shopworn and overblown, as some critics say, still has a sound basis.
Take the radical birth-control amendment proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt, a Missouri Republican. It would have allowed any employer to refuse insurance coverage of contraception or any other service by citing moral or religious reasons.
Maine’s Republican senators split on the issue. Olympia Snowe was the only Republican to vote against it. Susan Collins voted for it, saying she wasn’t assured “that self-insured faith-based organizations’ religious freedoms are protected.” Another Republican, Sen. Lisa Murkowski, said afterward that she regretted voting for it and would vote against it if she had another chance. (She later rejoined the ranks and joined with Ann Romney in praising their party’s focus on women’s issues.)
The continuing furor over women’s rights was touched off by the Obama administration’s rule that some religious employers must cover birth control in their employees’ health care plans. Catholic bishops and Republican leaders have joined forces in denouncing the move, which carried out a preventive-care requirement of the Affordable Care Act. They pose the dispute as a religious rights issue, while the Democrats and many women call it a health care matter.
Further evidence of a war on women comes from Republican-led state actions aimed at limiting the right to abortion.
A new Texas law requires that a woman seeking an abortion must first endure an ultrasound probe inserted in her vagina so she may listen to the fetus’s heartbeat and watch it on a screen. Republican majorities in 20 other states now have passed similar legislation in an obvious strategy to shock and shame women into avoiding abortion, although some require only abdominal examination. Texas-style extreme laws have been passed in North Carolina and Oklahoma and are being considered in Alabama, Kentucky, Rhode Island and Mississippi.
The women’s vote can be crucial in this fall’s presidential election. Their 2008 vote was decisive — 56 percent for Mr. Obama to 43 percent for John McCain — while the men’s vote broke nearly even.
How women perceive the disputes this time can make all the difference. Democrats hope to increase their women’s edge. Republicans hope to reduce that edge, but their actions at the national and state level could lose women’s votes rather than gain them.
For over 130 years (1788 to 1921) Conservatives refused to let women even vote.
Why would we expect them to be concerned about women’s issues now?
Because we hope in 130 years they have learned something?
So only dems can learn something???? Trumped op BS to take away attention on real problems, like Gas prices, Unemployment, housing market. Follow who is behind this woman, and where she cam from, if you quote media matters(george soros), then you are a leftist, if you follow rush then you are far right. It is really that simple.
The real story is birth control is available at low to no cost in several places through out the U.S., in Bangor go to Penquis Cap and price it four your self.
When did Penquis Cap relocate to Georgetown?
not all birth control is cheap. There are many different kinds, and not all women are a perfect fit for one kind of birth control. Birth control is also used for other medical issues, other than controlling when one decides to have a child. It also helps reduce abortions, welfare, and deadbeat parents….the government spends a lot of money on the latter two.
Democrats are not taught they are indoctrinated.
And conservatives are all Mensa candidates that make reasoned judgments after considering all the facts. Haw, haw.
Beware of words like All. It’s a sign of bigotry.
I’m in Mensa. I’m fiscally conservative. The only other Mensa member in my town is a registered Republican.
Anyone who introduces himself as a Mensa member has got to have some kind of inferiority complex, at the very least. I think Mensa takes advantage of these kinds of people to populate their silly group, but it’s hard to feel sorry for them, even so…
Yeah right. Like how the ultrabrainwashed right wingers are indoctrinated by their heroes like OxyHeadRushLimpmind, and NutballGlennBeck, and TwistedSisterAnnCoulter, and BillO’LIEly, and SeanInsanityHannity, and FailinPalin, and BatNutBachman, and every ultralooney at FAKENews? You mean that kind of indoctrination?
There there…..do you feel better now?
For a couple of centuries, Democrats refused to regard black people as human beings.
Why would we expect them to be truthful now?
Jefferson Davis was a Democrat.
What you don’t know about American political history is astounding. By the 1860’s a split had emerged in the Democratic Party between more progressive northerners and less progressive southerners. This split is essentially what allowed Lincoln to become elected with about 40% of the vote. The Republican Party, under Lincoln, began as a socially moderate to progressive party. Over time the landscape shifted, as all social institutions will evolve. The Republicans became the party of big money and anti-progress. The Democrats became the party of social progress and inclusion. One can not look back on history merely in terms of party. One must do so in terms of ideology. The CONSERVATIVES (who eventially merged into the Republicans) were for FOR keeping slavery indefinitely, were opposed to women’s suffrage, were opposed to better workplace conditions and worker rights, were opposed to integration and non-discrimination, and today have driven themselves so far into right field they are best described as TeaNut right wing extremists. The more progressive to moderate Republican Party of Lincoln, TR, Ike, and Rockefeller is dead and gone. It is now the Rush Limbaugh Fox News Radical Right Wing Anti-Women Crazy Corporatist Party. And it will be beaten to a pulp at the voting booth come November.
Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican. In the 1960s. Democrat Woodrow Wilson was the big roadblock to women’s suffrage in this country. Republicans in congress voted more so for the 19th Amendment than Democrats. Susan B. Anthony supported Republicans. The highest earning town in Maine is Cape Elizabeth – must be those corporate Republicans. Err, but that isn’t how they vote. How about that $10,000/plate Obama gala? Rich Republicans again. But we know which party they belong to. Counter that with the $20/plate LePage event a few weeks ago in Skowhegan. One is working class and the other isn’t. And to get back to current Democrats: Bill Clinton set the standard for showing us all that men should cheat on their wives early and often. What kind of image does the Lewinsky case show to young girls wanting to get involved with politics? Disgusting. Maybe a powerful Democrat will want to get with you and after it is over you can make a living selling berets. And John Edwards – cheat on your dying wife. Classy. Another Democrat. Do we need to mention the Kennedy clan? Recall Obama’s misogony on Sarah Palin? David Letterman’s attack on her that was orders of magnitude more intense that Limbaugh’s statements.
Not true: see
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jan/17/raging-elephants/houston-group-says-martin-luther-king-jr-was-repub/
Do you suppose there were knuckleheads with “I’m part of the 60%” carriage bumper stickers?
If only women couldn’t vote…there wouldn’t be a problem. Boy, that pesky Constitution sure gets in the way sometimes.
That’s as ridiculous as the people who point out the Democrats were in favor of segregation from…well the formation of their party up until the 1960s.
Well it’s largely true, isn’t it?
Let’s get to the repugnant, bottom line here. Cut through all the BS, so to speak.
There is NO CRISIS in America with women accessing contraceptives. Poverty stricken women have access to contraceptives at Planned Parenthood. The average cost of the “pill” is $9.00 – $15.00 a month. (A month…not a day or a week) Kathleen Sebelius has now ordered/mandated all Insurance Companies to pay for “birth control” under the heading of “Women’s Health.”
As well as policy holders now being ordered to pay for the pill, sponges and IUD’s….. the morning-after pill and abortions (1st, 2nd and 3rd trimester) has been added, as falling under ” Women’s Health”
ABORTION is not healthcare. Right-to-Life Religious affiliations should never be ordered to violate their tenets and consciences by the U.S. Government. The Democrats have stealthily turned this into a bogus crisis…accusing the entire GOP, Conservatives and Republicans as wanting to deprive women of contraceptives. (It’s the Liberals and Democrat’s usual pile of BS)
This is going to be sorted out in the coming months, and the Free Exercise Claus that provides that Government will neither control nor prohibit the free exercise of one’s religion shall be put to a crucial test. Lawsuits have already been presented by the Catholic Church and other Pro-Life Faiths. The persecution of Christians is well underway and Christians, with the Catholic Faiths leading the lawsuit charge, have every intention of not going down without a fierce and protacted fight.
We refuse to pay for the killing of the unborn, in spite of the grisly practice now falling under the deceptive and euphemistic heading of “Women’s Health.”
Join the “Stand Up For Religious Freedom” nationwide demonstrations on March 23, 2012. In Maine, it is at the U. S. District Courthouse, 156 Federal St. Portland, Me. at 12 noon.
“Christians, with the Catholic Faiths leading the lawsuit charge, have every intention of not going down without a fierce and protacted fight.”
Ah, the truth at last. It’s not about health, it’s not about access to contraceptives, it’s not about insurance, it’s not about religious beliefs.
It’s about power.
it’s not about religious beliefs.
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It’s all about religious faith and beliefs and the freedom to exercise those beliefs. (without interference from Kathleen Sebelius…BTW, it’s all about power with her)
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“Christians, with the Catholic Faiths leading the lawsuit charge, have every intention of not going down without a fierce and protacted fight.
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You bet…..and we will win “in the courts”
Like I said, “Power”
You say they have access at Planned Parenthood. Would that be the same Planned Parenthood that the Republicans are desperately trying to kill? I think it is.
Would that be the same Planned Parenthood that the Republicans are desperately trying to kill?
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Interesting choice of words. Explain in what way Republicans are desperately “trying to kill” Planned Parenthood?
I’m aware of the clash Republicans have had and still have with pro-choice Democrats…where they fight to have tax-payers be on the hook for the funding of abortions connected with Planned Parenthood. This is what the Sebelius’s mandate is all about right now. Pro-life and right-to-life movement are in direct opposition to the Culture of Death that is the lynch-pin and a top priority with Democrats and their campaign platforms.
But it’s news to me that the Republicans are now engaged in a plot to kill Planned Parenthood. Please cite your resources, publications and or news sources where you have read or heard of this Republican stratagy to “kill Planned parenthood?
Your ‘culture of death’ is all the chicken-hawk republicans who want to go to war, war, war – only they don’t go and their children don’t go. That’s the culture of death.
Culture of death is killing unborn children before they are bone.
and letting them live in poverty and squalor after their born…because they don’t count once they’re out. Supporting the death penalty, wars…nope…none of that is the “culture of death”.
Support education and birth control, living wage jobs…you’ll find the abortion rates go down.
Like sex education? How long have then been teaching it? the only thing they have taught them, is to do it younger, and better.
And genocide of unborn children is not the answer either.
then explain why in states that teach abstinence only, their teen pregnancies are higher than in states that have full sex ed courses?
I am just saying they have said over the years they need more sex education, and where has it brought us. I did not say anything about abstinence only. I think that if they had nto started teaching them so early, that there would be less pregnancy today. How young are they teaching them now? It has gone so far now the next step, will have them practicing in the classroom.
Bruce: The facts are that about 15 years ago Maine had one of the highest teen pregnancy rates. Planned Parenthood devised an age appropriate sex ed curriculum that focused not on the biology of sex but on relationships, responsibility and self respect. At the same time they made contraceptives available and inexpensive or free. Schools adopted the curriculum and advised sexually active teens about birth control. The result is that Maine now has one of the lowest rates of teen pregnancy in the nation.
Millicent, it is always a joy when someone can see the hypocrisy so clearly. I have long stopped using the phrase “pro-life.” Instead I use the more appropriate acronym “P-FAB” to describe the “culture of death” hypocrites you speak of. It stands for Pro Fetus, Anti Baby, a much more honest description of too many of the so called “pro-life” folks. They are not Pro-life and should not be called such for the reasons you captured so eloquently.
The Republicans have been trying to do away with Planned Parenthood for a long, long time. I’m not wasting my time citing sources.
“I’m not wasting my time citing sources.”
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I’m not surprised. How about I reduce you to just one source (that Republicans want to do away with, you’ve dropped the “kill” word, Planned Parenthood) As a rule, scholars require 3 sources for your claims but surely you could come up with one. Finding your one source can’t possibly waste your time.
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“The Republicans have been trying to do away with(or kill) Planned Parenthood for a long, long time. ” You said it, now back it up….with just one source.
Listen, if you don’t know that the Republicans have tried to de-fund and get rid of PParenthood for all these years then you don’t pay attention. That’s all. Goodbye.
A plain ignorant statement that BDN encourages. The locate liberal teletubbies get their panties all in a bunch over such BS. Dems have stymied black, women minorities, burn crossed and have hated jews/catholics through out their tattered history. They were the the party of Dixie! DEMS continue to segregate PEOPLE by race, sex etc in terms of what individual rights people should or shouldn’t have. Yeah, americans interested in FREEDOM should be concerned with Obama and Joe “The Brain” Biden at the helm.
The war on women is being waged by misogynistic talk show hosts who make $Million dollar campaign donations to Barack Obama’s storm troops.
I can assure you that, Rush, has never donated to the President’s campaign……
It doesn’t make sense on the personal level to create hostilities between you and the women in your life. On a national level it doesn’t make sense to antagonize 50% of the voters? Maybe Republicans just don’t have enough sense to run a country.
That is becoming increasingly obvious.
Which 50% are you referring to ? The 50% who still pay taxes or the 50% who don’t?
Enough with this lie. We ALL pay taxes in some form or another. Unless you are somehow aware of this undercover happening where half the population gets around things like sales tax, gas tax, property tax, etc, etc, etc.
What’s the LIE you refer to ?
49.5 percent of Americans don’t pay income taxes, which now accounts for nearly half of the U.S. population. Meanwhile, most of that population receives generous federal benefits.
Now to the 50.5 who do pay income taxes. Besides paying income taxes all year long, they too pay sales tax , gas tax, property tax, etc, etc, etc.
Did you have a point?
You said half of the population doesn’t pay taxes. That’s what you said and that’s a lie.
LOL…ok. whatever you say.
Aren’t you going to give me credit for clarifying it ? As a matter of fact I’ll just clarify it again.
49.5 percent of Americans don’t pay income taxes, which now accounts for nearly half of the U.S. population. Meanwhile, most of that population receives generous federal benefits.
Now to the 50.5 who do pay income taxes. Besides paying income taxes all year long, they too pay sales tax , gas tax, property tax, etc, etc, etc.
Do these facts and data help you feel better now?
No, I don’t feel better about your purposeful lies and distortions. If you’re going to make an outrageous claim, be specific. You try and imply that the federal income tax is the entire tax burden and it’s not, not even a majority of it. Saying only have the country pays taxes is an outright lie and it’s disgusting. All it does is show you to be disengenuous. It’s not even relevant to this discussion at hand. Keep your divicive talking points and LOLs to yourself. It just makes you look ridiculous.
Will do fwteagles (-:
KikiEm is correct. About half of the population doesn’t pay any federal income tax. They may pay Social Security and Medicare taxes, but these aren’t the same thing since they go into the “lock box” that they will eventually draw from.
No, Kiki initially said that only half of Americans pay taxes. Period. That’s a lie.
Kiki clarified his/her statement by indicating “income” taxes on a follow-up post. Scroll up and you can see it for yourself. Social Security payments are supposed to be different than income taxes, since they provide benefit to the contributor that is directly proportional to the contribution amount, so many people consider it less of a “tax” and more like an investment. You can call it a lie if you want, but Kiki did further clarify, so why not drop it?
It IS a lie. Clarifying it after the fact doesn’t make a bit of difference, because you’re trying to pass of a claim as a fact and it isn’t. Federal income taxes are not the entire tax burden. How easy is it to specify by saying “federal income” before tax? How easy is it not to lie in trying to proof your point? Seems more like a deliberate distortion of the issue to me.
Whatever. People make mistakes. When they clarify and correct themselves, most debaters acknowledge it and move on. Seems to me that you’d prefer to stay hung up on this point than to recognize the truth in the statement that nearly half of all Americans don’t pay any federal income taxes. That’s the real issue here. Not whether or not Kiki is a liar. So, given the fact that nearly half of all Americans don’t pay any “federal income taxes,” isn’t this a significant problem? Shouldn’t everyone contribute at least something to the operation of the federal government? Maybe a hundred bucks a year or so, at a minimum, to provide the sense that they are contributing something to society?
That was exactly Kiki’s point in lying and making the purposefully vague statement, to inflate the idea that half of American’s aren’t contributing and that’s false. The real issue is that you can have an opinion and a debate without distorting facts and reality. You can have a debate without demonizing others and infering that they’re just leeches on society.
And I find it kind of ironic that you’re using the same language that is used against the hyper rich like Mitt Romney who pays a wildly lower tax rate than the average American. Guess that’s another one of those one-way streets. Can’t talk about community and the operation of government in reference to a wealth person, well because that’s socialism and class warfare! But wanting someone below the poverty line to pay federal income taxes specifically so you can ~feel~ better is an entirely different story. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
Also, the reason that number for federal income taxes is so high is due to special temporary tax credits (like the new home owner one for example) that were passed as part of the stimulus. That “half Americans don’t pay” isn’t indicative of an average. Again, it’s just more distortions of the issue.
Everybody should pay something. And unless you’re stating that nearly half of Americans are below the poverty line, then you too are making a distortion by suggesting that everyone who doesn’t pay federal income taxes is living in poverty, and for that reason they shouldn’t pay any. I’ve never heard that the reason that nearly half of all Americans don’t pay federal income taxes is because of the special temporary tax credits–where did you get this information?
It’s not my fault that you haven’t been operating in reality and listening to real news. Are you unaware about the huge volumes of tax credits that made up the stimulus package? Almost 300 billion of that was tax cuts/credits/breaks/whatever you want to call them. Those are all temporary measures, but they reflect in that “half of Americans” talking point that those engaging in actual class warfare like to parrot.
I’m aware that there were many tax credits or deductions given in the past 3 years or so, but since I didn’t receive any special deductions against my federal income tax, I didn’t realize that there enough of them to enable nearly half of the population to pay zero federal income taxes. Lastly, I feel compelled to let you know that you can engage in honest debate without getting personal or mean-spirited. I would probably consider your arguments much more seriously if you didn’t so often surround them with personal insults.
Well purelogic101…thanks for the support. I see you found out, as did I, the absolute futility of a dialogue with fwteagles. It’s like finding yourself in a very small room, without windows (to let the fresh air in, and the stale air out) and discover you are standing on a floor totally covered in molasses. You quickly discover an intense desire to crawl to the nearest exit and escape ASAP.
That’s a good analogy to describe it. I enjoy debating with people who can make logical arguments to support their position, but some people make it personal once they find that they can’t support their position with real facts.
You bet there is a Tea Party Rethuglican War On Women. Even their leader Rush Limbaugh constantly attacks women hourly, daily and constantly. Women in the United States better WAKE UP and realize the Republican Party, Denigrates and Abuses women of their rights, values and women’s health.
Bill Maher has contributed $1Million to Obama’s relection and has called a prominent woman a c__t. Basically by doing so he’s called all women c__ts. The President has yet to condemn the remark and has apparently accepted the money. He’s more of a pimp than a President.
Maher’s language is reprehensible. It’s quite possible to point out Ms Palin’s shortcomings without using that kind of language and still be very funny. TinaFey was hilarious without ever using a bad word.
That being said, when a public figure goes around the countryside using coded words to legitimize racism and sexism or a blogger stirs the racism pot vigorously or a political writer calls President Obama and his family really ugly names they are deliberately antagonistic and can expect antagonism in return . That is a far cry from Mr. Limbaugh slandering a private citizen for three days.
If you don’t see the difference there is something seriously wrong with your understanding of ethics.
What on earth are you talking about ? What public figure and what coded words? Sounds like paranoia to me.
You’re excused. I didn’t expect Palin fans to understand.
Thank you god for understanding.
Oh dear God in heaven…help us all.
Are you ACTUALLY saying that Sarah Palin deserves to be called a dumb c—? You’re OK (or perhaps amused) with David letterman saying (on his show live) that Sarah Palin looks like a slutty flight attendant? It’s OK with you (or perhaps amused) that he kept it up by saying her daughter, Bristol, was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez in the 7th inning of a baseball game? Does it pass the “smell test” with you that Liberals (including Diane Sawyer) accused Sarah Palin of being responsible for the death of 6 people in Tucson, as well as the head shot of Gabby Giffords because she used the illustration of crosshairs on democrat-held districts in Arizona?
Crosshairs and bullseye targets were used long before Sarah Palin. Liberals and Democrats used the crosshair symbol directly on George Bush’s face during his re-election campaign.
As “pavel” inquired and you have the arrogance to reply with only a “fan of Sarah Palin” couldn’t understand your cleverly couched accusations you were implying towards Mrs. Palin. I understand your low and underhanded approach all too well in accusing Sarah Palin of …….”coded words” to legitimize racism and sexism…..what are those “coded words”? What political writer called Obama and family really ugly names ? Enlighten all of us….man-up or woman-up….whatever the case may be.
You apparently didn’t read my first or last sentences. Try re-reading the middle also.
I understand your low and underhanded approach all too well in accusing Sarah Palin of …….”coded words” to legitimize racism and sexism…..what are those “coded words”? What political writer called Obama and family really ugly names ? Enlighten all of us….man-up or woman-up….whatever the case may be.
I really liked the Republican congressman who made the joke about our First Lady’s body (derriere). I really liked the judge who sent out the anti-Obama racist joke and the one, too, from upstate New York.
Open your eyes and ears.
This is ridiculous ! What’s with the ambiguity? Please names names ????
I don’t know about the deerriere joke. The judge and the up-state judge??…..who are you talking about? Names please, so I can fact-check it and be brought up to speed.
And don’t bother accusing me of being under a rock…..these news flashes you are referring to (are they current news bits) may not be interesting enough for me to pay attention to them.
The judge’s name is Richard Cebull
Then there was the Obama impersonator at the Republican Leadership Council that told racist jokes. Then there was Marilyn Davenport of Orange County, CA, Wisconsin Republican Kevin Balash…there’s more, google is your friend. As for the joke about Michelle Obama, it was Jim Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin.
Why should we bother googling up names for you. Conservatives never name their sources
“boy President” brings up over a quarter million results on Google.
I hadn’t really heard the term before you brought it up here. I really wouldn’t find that term interesting enough to pay attention to whoever uses it or to look it up under “search” But wouldn’t you know, you peaked my curiosity.
So I went to search to see for myself the quarter million results ??
I still have no idea what you think it is code for, but the search results indicate naive and immature? I did come across a “boy President” cite that was aimed at George W. Bush. These 2 bloggers (cortandfatboy) had a weekly episode on what dumb and stupid things GWB was doing during his Administration. (they used questionable language also)
What does the boy President “code” mean when it is directed at George W. Bush?
Just because you’re ignorant to the connotations of calling an African American “boy” doesn’t mean that the coded language is imagined. It’s a term that has been used for hundreds of years, beginning when blacks were considered only 3/5th of a person — they’d never be fully a man. It continued as a sign of disrespect and to infer inferiority. It’s clearly belittling and no way to refer to the President.
Watch “Heat of the Night”
TV is your reality. no wonder. The basic Blueprint of the Structure of Existence, Self-awareness, self-reflection, YES PRIME TIME TV duh
Obviously, Kiki, there lots you haven’t heard.
“boy President” is a good example of those coded words.
I think “manchild” is the term used…….which only means a grown man who is immature.
No, “boy President” has been used on here by commenters and I’ve seen it used by pundits quite a bit as well. It is clearly coded racism. Pavel asked for an example I gave one. You can’t dismiss it all you want, but the fact remains, there is plenty of coded language and dog whistles being used.
Don’t forget the Mau-Mau pictures.
Magic Negro, over and over on Limbaugh’s program.
Take the bone out of you nose to an African/American caller on Limbaugh’s program
This president has Nazi tendencies on Beck’s program
Palin’s “Real Americans” shout out to an all white Southern audience after discussing Obama’s Kenyan father.
Al Sharpton inserted the magical negro term during the 2008 campaign season. Sharpton, who regretfully sings that white people will vote for Barack Obama for President instead of Sharpton, because Obama is a magical negro, not a real black man from the “hood.” (a term previously popularized by Spike Lee)
And when Mr. Limbaugh plays it over and over it’s just entertainment? If you believe that I’ve got a deal in Nigeria you might be interested in.
Whatever “code” you’re referring to is what you perceive it to be in your own mind. I’ve never seen commenters use the term “boy President”…but you can’t be earnest about taking seriously what commenters on this BDN comment section call others….including the President.
The names Liberals call Conservatives on these comments would curl your hair! Every once in a while, a commenter (Republicans too) gets irritated enough to name-call other commenters enough of a derogatory term, that they breach the policy of the BDN and their comment is removed. But wouldn’t you agree that this particular venue in a newspaper is on the same level as a food-fight in a high school cafeteria?
Okay, so to boil down what you’ve said — every bad, racist, misogynistic, etc. thing a conservative says is imagined by me and others because conservatives are perfect, while on the other hand, liberals are evil and awful and they’re the only ones to say vile things.
Great, thanks KikiEm, what an insightful comment. You really appear to have a great grip on reality.
“Okay, so to boil down what you’ve said”
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My comment is straight forward and very easily understood, It has no need to be “boiled down”
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You said : “every bad, racist, misogynistic, etc. thing a conservative says is imagined by me and others because conservatives are perfect, while on the other hand, liberals are evil and awful and they’re the only ones to say vile things.”
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I didn’t insinuate any of this palaver in my comment
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You didn’t answer my question: Wouldn’t you agree that this particular venue in a newspaper is on the same level as a food-fight in a high school cafeteria? (maybe even a grade school cafeteria)
Keep your condescension to yourself. Something that is “straight forward and very easily understood” can still be summarized. Obviously. You said that the coded racism and misogyny is imagined and that liberals are much worse anyway. That’s a ridiculous assertion.
I wouldn’t agree with your statement. You’ve proven yourself to be loose with the truth in attempt to slander groups and distort issues. Don’t know that school students are skilled in those particular areas.
OK fwteagles. I now recall I managed to get you in an unholy uproar last week-end so I’ve done it again. (Last week-end I recall I was on my hypocrisy patrol duty) I seem to work you up into such a frenzy that you eventually start posting frenetic and disjointed comments.
So, you can count on me to cease and desist replying to you. Is that better ? At least you’ll have time to chill and simmer down.
You can’t say what you want about me, but it doesn’t change the fact that you have deliberately lied and distorted facts in order to convince people you’re right.
OK ?
Not when Rush Limbaugh uses it.
By “public figure” we mean politicians, athletes, actors, etc. These are people who choose to be in the public eye, and get lots of media coverage. Thus when they are attacked, it can be assumed that the public can discern (or at least try to) whether the attack is fair or not. Not true with a private citizen. This is why you so rarely see famous people suing for libel or slander, no matter how reprehensible the attack on them: because the standard of proof is different than for a private citizen.
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Manchild has no racial overtones. But what about the treatment Michael Steele, Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, and Colin Powell all received from the left? Something about “Tom” and an “Uncle?” Regarding Fey at SNL – her strawhorse treatment of Palin is akin to black-sploitation but in this case women. Who employees Fey? NBC, which is owned by GE. So Fey gets paid handsomely by an organization that doesn’t pay (appreciable) corporate taxes, probably putting her in the 1%, and we pick up the tab.
Yeah, but he calls men that to!
Maybe you.
No, he did NOT accept the money. He refused.
He did not give the money to President Obama. He gave it to a PAC. President Obama doesn’t have the option of accepting or refusing it. He is prohibited by law from any interaction with a PAC.
Is this the best the lame media and the progressive party of public money into private pockets can do.After the shake down of Mrs Palin and her family what hypocrite come up with this.The democratic party and their top spokesman on women Mr Maher should be ashamed.Wonder what is coming out of the Whitehouse tonight that the progressive rat pack needs to cover up for the great divider
This editorial is pure garbage……you can do better
I agree it is garbage, but I disagree that this liberal paper’s editorial board can do better.Pretty much cut and paste from DNC’s talking points.
War On Women!
This is Totaly False!
They have Declared War on All of Us!
The ROBthePUBLICans have supported nothing more than wealthy white anglo-saxon males for the last 100 years…If you support them but don’t fall into that category then you have only yourself to blame.
Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican. Billionaire Chullie Pingree is the wealthy Anglo-Saxon male.
Actually, no:
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jan/17/raging-elephants/houston-group-says-martin-luther-king-jr-was-repub/
Thedivisive us vs. them thing works to get people riled up, but you have to stick with one issue. Bush did it in 2004 with the gay marriage thing and it worked great. He talked on and on about a Federal marriage Amendment for the Constitution and it certainly got people worked up and out to vote.
Thing is, now the Republicans are doing this with multiple issues and they’re just fractioning that riled up base smaller and smaller. They’re loud and persistent, but they’re certainly not the majority. This is backfiring for the Republicans, clearly.
The Great Illusionist of Grandeur is in charge, last he told
us.
Can we raise a fact here? Witness: “the Obama
administration’s rule that some religious employers must cover birth control in
their employees’ health care plans.”
Strong willed women, worship his feet!
Religious employers who accept federal funds must follow federal rules. Religious employers who prefer not to follow federal rules can choose not to accept federal funds.
The Republicans are framing this issue as involving only birth control. But it is far broader. If they have their way, your employer will be able to drop ANY aspect of your health insurance policy, claiming religious grounds.
If your employer belongs to a religious group that forbids its followers to have a blood transfusion, even if the lack of a transfusion would mean death, you will have to pay for your own blood transfusion.
If your employer’s religion forbids smoking, and he chooses to believe that all lung cancer is caused by smoking (it is not), he could strip lung cancer treatment from your health insurance policy.
What Federal funds are you always referring to? Do you mean Medicare or MaineCare that religious healthcare organizations receive IN EXCHANGE FOR SERVICES PROVIDED? It is not some grant or handout. The fact (not opinion) is that these programs pay less than the cost of the institutions to provide the services, so the institutions have to subsidize the services. By your logic, the hospitals ought to be able to force the Federal government to recognize religious Holiday and make the President kiss the Pope’s ring. After all, the government accepts the organizations funds.
Nope. I’m discussing the flap over Georgetown University. You’ll find (for one example) a document that refers to these at the URL below. “A large amount of federal funds [is] received by Georgetown University…” and each “department is responsible for sufficient oversight of the funds to ensure (a) funds are spent in accordance with the federal grant requirements…” One of those requirements has to do with the health insurance policies Georgetown students purchase through the university.
http://financialaffairs.georgetown.edu/sao/Policies_Procedures/subkmntr.pdf
“You misunderstand. I’m not asking for slurs against
individual women. I’m requesting the criteria on which you make these
judgments.”
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Are ”strong-willed women” (as the Illusionist has described
them) now denied the criteria? Do they lack the ability to make their own
judgements without his ear whispers?
When Republicans want a woman’s opinion, they will call a panel of old white males and tell her what to think.
No birth control, send pictures of the occasions when might need birth control, and like the newest bill, if you get raped you pay for the privilege.
The issue is one of religious liberty and forcing religious employers to go against their religious teachings. You liberals can try to spin it anyway you want, but those are the facts. You folks are the ones always crying for separation of church and state, so live your credo and leave the church alone. Keep your ovaries off my rosaries. More fun facts (please feel free to call them rants in your reply)
Generic OCPs cost 8 dollars a month. Like most medications, they really are not much different than fancy name brand ones.
Most all of these religious employers recognized and pay for OCPs when they are used for medical purposes.
Ms. Fluke’s story grows fishier every day. I doubt if her “friend” even exists (That’s an opinion)
If she does exist, although she could pay $65,000 to attend an elite Catholic law school, she could not afford to pay for OCPs, or get them free from Planned Abortionhood. Poor dear, how helpless. She surely needs a protector. Probably a man.
When they are in business, taking tax money, city, state, and local, they lose the religious protection false enlargement. They are free to self insure and not buy anything they don’t like.
They are free to provide all funds, take no tax money, and hire only fellow believers.
They take tax money, they hire employees not of their faith, you don’t get to foist your religion on anyone. IF you want to do that, how about your wife has to wear a hijab?
Keep a spinnin’ cause that’s all you got. By the way, my wife looks good in a hijab. Attack another religion will you? Allah won’t like it.
Who pays the insurance company, oh ya, the Catholic Hospital does, so is it not their right to choose a company that does not cover birth control??? “Freedom of Choice” you dems like to use that term a lot, so here it is again, IF you go to a Catholic School then you have to follow their rules, or go to a different school, but no go there and complain so the rules have to be changes for one person rights and screw the rest of the students that go there because they are actually Catholic, and follow their teachings. She should have gone to a different school.
Then perhaps Catholic schools should stop recruiting/accepting non-Catholics and go back to their original mission: Catholic education. Then they can do as they please. But given that almost half of all Georgetown students are *not* Catholic….
…then they will have to spring for their own OCPs, beer, pizza…
The issue is trying to stop the Affordable Health Care Act at all costs. Fortunately, the costs to the Republican party are growing every day as more and more women wake up to their 16th century nonsense.
The “church” institutions being asked to cover contraceptives are in reality institutions that accept direct federal and state funding and/or funding through tax exemption. They hire the general public, provide non religious services to the general public. They are not churches. Not unless conferring law degrees and giving colonoscopies have suddenly become religious rituals.
I have got to remember ” church institutions … funding through tax exemption” One of the best liberal comments ever!
Try mentioning taxing churches and listen to the howls. That’s money howling.
Nope, can’t hear the howls. I can hear the liberal point, “But you are funded through tax exemption” Do you hear it, the irony, of ‘You are funded by the government because it does not take away from you?” Hilarious! I’m going to repeat it over and over whenever you post.
Right it doesn’t take money away from churches for the protection of property the police provide for them. It doesn’t tax the money they make from their property, their investments or from their money making activities. It doesn’t ask them to pay sales taxes on articles they buy for their church. Most communities don’t charge for the water and sewer services they provide.
If you think a tax exempt status isn’t money in the pockets of churches as them if they would like to give up their tax exempt status.
You might want to reconsider using the churchs’ tax exemption status as an example of hilarious liberal misinformation. I suggest you use it and see who responds. You might be surprised.
In fact, I think I will, again and again quote your “You are being funded by tax exemption.” msallyjones30.10.2012. It is a fundamental misunderstanding that many liberals have. You, honest to God (which many liberals don’t believe in, so maybe I should be more culturally sensitive say, ‘honest to womyn and man and their greatness” you really think that churches are “funded by the government through tax exemption” Try to buy 4 plus a buck a gallon fuel oil with your tax exemption. Churches are funded by their members.
In fact, as just one example, almost half of Georgetown University’s students aren’t Catholic.
I’m so sure that is how all the women that are Govs got voted into office.
Manufactured outrage to distract from the disastrous track record and failed economic policies of the president. Fluke is a political activist supported by Obama’s former media director, the lame media narrative over this faux-war is not catching on and the libs are starting to panic. Get the popcorn going, folks, this is going to be entertaining.
Ah yes, another Bill O’Reilly conspiracy theory at work. He’s so good at them.
This is outrageous there is no “war” on women, every man knows that women should be seen and not heard, stay in the kitchen, look after the chill’en and do whatever us mouth breathing, Gawd fearing men want them to do, so going to war with them is ridiculous. Besides it’s in the BuyBull. Where is that sarcasm button??????
Wow dude, those thoughts are really regressive. You need to have a time of introspection, followed by reeducation in the gulags.
I just love the assumption that all women are supposed to care about when it comes to voting revolves around their reproductive organs. I could give a rat’s patootie about whether my insurance covers birth control or whether I am able to walk into a clinic and have my abortion without a doctor having to perform an ultrasound (which most abortion doctors are doing as part of normal practice).
This woman cares about the ability of people to find decent jobs. I care about allowing people to choose the education they want for their kids. High gas prices are killing the poor and middle class–what can the Democrats offer to me to show they will pursue a sensible energy policy? I care about increasing government regulations and mandates that have driven up my credit card interest rates and lowered unilaterally my credit limits; that have forced my employer to give up offering any type of health insurance because the costs are too high. I care about US men and women dying in wars we should not be fighting. I care about US citizens being executed by our government without the benefit of trial. This list could go on and on, but birth control coverage and mandatory ultrasounds? They don’t even come in the top 100 of my concerns.
This Republican woman is not a war refugee, folks.
That’s not what the polls are saying.
sucked in by the polls again, do you only live by the polls, stop being a sheep, and make up your own mind.
There is a massive difference between making up your mind and making up your own facts. You make up your own facts and ignore reality. That’s not an informed opinion, that’s just willful ignorance.
What do the polls say?
Today’s numbers show Romney at 48%, Obama at 43%.
Santorum is up by one point over the president, 46% to 45%.
A war on women? I see it every day , no question about it. When I read the attacks on Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, basically any women who have the initiative that really scares the stuffing out of the liberals who can not stand to see a woman manage a home life AND a family. Apparently liberal democrats are not clever enough to do something like this and hold a public office at the same time. The only exception to the rule is the “true Maine women” can do anything they set their minds to.
Palin and Bachman were attacked because they’re women and not because of their positions; if that is what you are saying please provide examples of that.
You are absolutely correct; they were attacked by the liberal & progressive media because they are conservative women. They both are very capable and are family oriented. This flies in the face of “progressive” ideas where the state is promoted to the place of parent. I seemed to have missed the article where the liberal press chastised Chellie Pingree for being carted around in private jets (Sussmans) while condemning Conservatives for accepting as gifts the same thing. Nor do I hear them condemning her for being part of the purchasing of the Portland Press Herald ( It’s that nasty little community property clause). Having say over the articles in the press is exactly what they are condemning about the Maine Heritage Policy Center publications. But I do not know of any office holder who is an owner in that.
Okay. But where are your examples of these attacks on their positions as opposed to their being women? You didn’t provide any.
That said neither of them are presidential material according to the preferences of the republicans
The headliner of this year’s Radio and Television Correspondents
Dinner is “comedian” Louis C.K. Comedian? He uses filthy language about women…..yes, the C word…and yes, even
to describe a woman candidate for Vice President of the United States.
It isn’t just Governor Palin he denigrates. He denigrates all women and
looks to the crowd to laugh.
After the threat of boycott, he has since declined t attend.
Comedian Bill Maher on the litany of vulgar comments
Maher has made about women himself, including calling former Alaska Gov.
Sarah Palin a “c–t.” Bill is not funny.
Sen. Pam Galloway
of the Wisconsin State Senate has a not-so-secret admirer. “Admirer” in
this case however, might mean “obsessed hater.” His name is John
Spiegelhoff, and he’s a union boss with a real penchant for attacking
anyone and everyone who he thinks might be an enemy of his union. In
fact, his past exploits include suing an 86-year-old volunteer crossing
guard for taking a job that he thought should have belonged only to
union members. It’s no secret that the unions in general are democrat fans and depend on govt. cowing to their every demand.
Randi Rhodes is a liberal talk radio host that can be heard on numerous affiliates
across the country and on satellite radio. So when she says something,
there’s likely more than a few people listening. And she just said
something pretty wild.
After playing audio of Fox commentator Monica Crowley criticizing
Sandra Fluke and the idea that women need $3,000 a year for birth
control, Rhodes lost it on Wednesday, saying that conservative women
don’t deserve to have ovaries.
“You know, these women, somebody really needs to go repossess their
ovaries. Really, truly, they have no right to them. They are fabulous,
little organs and they have absolutely no right to be estrogen-bearing
beings. Okay? Just cut ‘em off, let ‘em go through the hot flashes, let
‘em just sit there and complain about hormone therapy, okay? Just take
the ovaries and get it over with. Because they don’t deserve to have
estrogen. They really don’t. It’s a privilege.”
The above is just a few excerpts which can be found published in conservative media showing the liberal assaults on women. This is just from todays publications. Tomorrow will be more of the same.
By the way, It is Obamacare that seeks to deny mammograms to women under 50 years of age by mandating it as law.
I don’t think there can be any question who is promoting the rights of women and it is NOT “progressive liberals” (democrats). It is really too bad that the democrat party allowed the infiltration of “progressivism” into its ranks. It sets women and their needs back 100 of years if not seeking to destroy their rights altogether.
Democrats can go to a web site and find even more examples of conservatives denigrating and making fun of Democrats. Probably, we could get them all from one site, Glenn Beck’s radio program.
That’s its? Left wing radio and cable tv personalities, a comedian, and a union boss?
The right wing has its equivalents by the ton.
Left or right, none of the above are elected by the people and all operate in the free market. They’ll live and die by it.
Conversely, the second anyone throws their hat in the ring to run for office, the Presidency in particular, scrutiny, questions, criticism, wholesale examination takes place by the market the people the voters.
Americans have conducted themselves this way since we were founded.
Rebecca, I’ve lived in AK in the town next Wasilla. I go back there almost every summer. I’ve followed Palin in the AK papers. Trust me on this one; Palin is not family oriented.
Palin and Bachman were “attacked” for their ignorance of public and historical facts. People who run for the highest office in the land and arguably the most powerful position in the world should have at least a middle school understanding of their own country.
oh, you mean like obama and the 57 States he visited in 08??? one sided BS as normal.
Come up with another. That is getting soooooo old. Palin’s and Bachmann’s deep ignorance of geography, government, politics, foreign and domestic affairs, finance and tolerance cannot be compared to one slip of a tongue.
Heck I would have settled for a 4th grade understanding.
Very well said
No women problem here, and I’m a hard core conservative Republican. I love my wife and she’s a women. I love the conservative women on fox news. So you see we conservative love women, or at least some. It’s the women who think they are men that frighten me.
“Women who think they are men…” I haven’t heard that amusing phrase in 30 or 40 years. Could you give some examples?
You may think you love women but that doesn’t stop you from trying to tell them what they may and may not do with their bodies. Your lack of respect for their right to make their own decisions is truly frightening.
No conservative man or woman gives a rat’s — what women choose to do with their bodies and how they protect or don’t protect themselves from the consequences of their bodily choices. The DEBATE is mandating, ordering, forcing (by one individual, Kathleen Sebelius) the pro-lifers and right-to-lifers and Catholic affiliations to pay for those choices……in particular, the morning-after pill and elective abortions.
It only takes a few brain cells to comprehend this long- in- coming (30 years) explosive issue and cultural divide.
Even if you and your like-minded progressives and liberals are purposely acting as if it’s all about “men” controlling women’s bodies…..good God, what’s next?) instead of the Government having the power (they don’t, according to the Constitution) to tell Religious churches and affiliations that they will now pay for the killing of the unborn.
Actually, there is one exception !
Conservative men and women do give a rat’s — when and if promiscuous women (and men) spread the HIV virus, gonorrhea, syphilis, herpes, herpes genital warts, hepatitis B, trich, HPV, pubic lice and scabies by using unsafe sex practices. (these are “some” STD’S but there are more) We’re only talking about a condom here, boys and girls. One condom averages $1.35 A man or woman can also choose to supply themselves (Georgetown students….listen up!) with 108 condoms for $22.99 at most drugstores.
It’s a whole lot cheaper than treatment for STD’s. Some of which are incurable.
And to set the record straight…Georgetown University does not deny a student with poly-cystic ovaries the necessary hormonal treatment for that condition (Ortho) under their student health plan. Ms. Fluke…..liar, liar, pants on fire.
You’re the liar. You obviously didn’t listen or read the testimony because Fluke spoke at length about the troubles of obtaining prescription coverage regardless if it’s a medical necessity or not. She spoke about the interrogation and the denials of coverage despite necessity.
OK fwteagles.
Well I listened to every word of her testimony, and her story of the “friend” who was denied OCPs again and again by her insurer, and as a result had an ovary explode just stuck me as well… a lie. OCPs start at $8 a month, and are free at PlannedAbortionhoodtm. We are to believe that any woman in the USA in 2012, let alone a law student at an elite university, is so helpless, so weak, so incompetent that she can’t come up with loose change each month to prevent this disaster. If I were a betting man, I’d give 2 to 1 odds that this friend does not actually exist, except in Ms.Fluke’s mind. In a law school populated by liberal “rage against the man” types, there would be 50 lawsuits filed by now against the university if this were actually true.
KIki: Churches are not being asked to offer insurance that covers contraceptives. Institutions run by, staffed by and offering services only to members of their religious sect are exempt. The Affordable Care Act requires organizations and institutions that accept tax money, hire the general public, and provide non-religious services to the general public such as universities, soup kitchens, hospitals, counseling centers, day car centers libraries, to cover contraceptives in their health plans. Does that seem unreasonable to you?
I’m not ignoring your comment. I’m going to Saturday Mass. Will reply later.
The booming breast implant business indicates Amcon is wrong. Women don’t think they are men.
She should vie for the presidency, intelligent, conversational and a good role model for the children,
good luck mrs. romney.
This would be the Mrs. Romney who doesn’t think of herself as wealthy? $250,000,000 and still doesn’t think of herself as wealthy? She went on to say, to recover herself, just as her husband has to do every day, to say that friends and family are what counts and she is wealthy in that way. But to deny that you’re not ‘wealthy’ when you got that much, really makes me upset. Millions of people live on nothing in this country. These two people, the Romneys, they are sooooo out of touch. And where was she when the family dog was made to ride to Canada on the roof of the car? No heart.
So here it is again, the democrates dictating the problems of the GOP. Keep to your own yard unless your are invited to ours. We don’t need the likes of you.
The yard you guard so fervently few want to set foot in, take a step in any direction and
you’ll be scrapping from the soles of your shoes excrement left by those who thought it frugal to forgo flushing.
Democrats “dictated” your problems? Are you trying to say that Democrats dictated Santorum into being a religious nut bent on binding state to church or Newt into a serial adulterer with real estate plans for the moon or made Limbaugh the spokesperson for Republicans or created the flip-flopping Romney?
Well now, if Democrats dictated Republicans do all that weird stuff and they did it, then Republicans are too stupid to run a county let alone a country.
that’s OK. we don’t care much for you con-clowns either. Obama 2012, it’s a lock.
The GOP doesn’t so much have a “women problem”. It has a sanity problem.
I agree. How sane is it to alienate African/American voters, Latino voters, educated voters, insufficiently religious voters and then top it off with attacking the 50% of the voters who are women.
Which 50% are you referring to? The 50% who pay taxes or the 50% who don’t?
Everyone pays taxes. You can stop lying now.
LOL…ok. whatever you say.
Aren’t you going to give me credit for clarifying it ? As a matter of fact I’ll just clarify it again.
49.5 percent of Americans don’t pay income taxes, which now accounts for nearly half of the U.S. population. Meanwhile, most of that population receives generous federal benefits.
Now to the 50.5 who do pay income taxes. Besides paying income taxes all year long, they too pay sales tax , gas tax, property tax, etc, etc, etc.
Do these facts and data help you feel better now? OH OH, I just thought of something. Are you part of the 49.5 percent? I may have touched a nerve ?
No, it’s not “whatever.” Everyone pays taxes.
Clarifying after the fact doesn’t help. You were vague to serve your purpose and distort the truth in order to convince people you’re right. Worse, you’re still wrong after your clarification. The talking point you’re trying to parrot refers to FEDERAL income tax.
They pay excise, gas, sales, real estate, taxes just for a start. Now how about GE, Shell Oil, etc. who pay less a year than you do or even get paid billions just to be in business.
That old piece of internet C&%$ is just that, untrue and misleading.
Oh NortelNru…….Have I got a great big humongous NewsFlash for you ! GE doesn’t pay one dime in taxes. They were exempted by Obama. Jeff Immelt (CEO of GE) was appointed by the administration to be Obama’s job Czar. He’a been doing a whale of job since his appointment. He has moved several of his operations to China, creating 25,000 jobs in China and the loss of 34,000 of his employees in America.
Ahhhh…ya’ gotta love it…don’t you think, Nortell ?
The tax structure that supports these corporate vampires was put in place by Bush. Learn your history.
You do make one very good point. Jeff Immelt as an appointee is an insult to any American that needs a job or a better job.
It always mystifies me, when I tune in the Limbaugh show, or the Beck show, they always seem to get a majority of calls from adoring women. Both of these radio personalities always let these star-struck callers ramble on and on about how thrilled they are to finally be able to talk to their idol! I know, they screen calls, and probably screen out 50 calls to wait for one of these crazed groupies to pop up. So it shows that their producers know they have to make it appear that women are behind them, part of their audience, when everyone knows that the overwhelming majority of their fans are white men over 50…. Or maybe they are just paid shills. That would not surprise me either.
Limbaugh and Beck both employ paid shills to call in. They are fairly easy to detect. They gush innocently, say they don’t understand a topic and then go into specific detail about the topic. Rush and Limbaugh, instead of their usual interruptions let them finish their call and them go into their comments on the introduced subject.
it was said months ago that this election was the GOP’s to lose. the idiots are doing a damn good job of it. LOL
After all this time and internet blogs and comment threads, have you still not comprehended what name-calling says about you and others like you….. who have no other option except to call others demeaning and derogatory names who don’t happen to agree with you?
Who called any names????
KikiEm doesn’t have any credibility on this issue or many others for that matter. If you scroll and read of few of his/her comments you’ll see plenty of name-calling.
David….called repugs fools and idiots.
I don’t know what kind of world you live in, but in my world, that qualifies as name-calling.
Even if they behave foolishly by banning women from testifying at a hearing involving issues of interest to women? Even if they say idiotic things like “the idea of the separation of church and state makes me want to throw-up” Even then we can’t call them fools and idiots? Sheesh what fun is that?
You called me “hysterical, obtuse, impaired, and fanatical” just today. I love you anyway.
don’t give me that bull Rushboy. your glass house doesn’t have any windows left.
LOL
Our Congress has a “women problem”. Western countries, on average, have legislatures with female membership of at least 25%. In the more modern countries the numbers range between 30% and 45%. In US women make up only 17% of the membership. If it were twice that we would have a far more representative Congress
That’s not the Congress, its the voter that put people in congress, why don’t more women run for office?
Why doesn’t the headline read “Democrats Have a Women Problem” Well, at least the 600,000 women each year that do not get to be born because they were aborted would not be too happy with them. Ironic fact, abortions are dis proportionally performed on poor and minority women, who traditionally vote for the democrat.
Poor and minority women are the targets of Republican activitists, who do their best to make it difficult to obtain contraception AND slash social spending that would help mothers care for their children. Small wonder they tend to vote for Democrats.
Then wouldn’t you want more of them to be born? Not aborted?
You are thoroughly missing the point. Abortion is legal. I support women’s right to obtain an abortion. I understand why impoverished and minority women support Democrats rather than Republicans. Republicans are always trying to force their beliefs on women, even when it means restricting their access to all sorts of healthcare (as is now happening in the south, for example).
Forcing women to bear children against their will is the Republican agenda. Imagining that anyone would want to force women to bear unwanted children, for political gain, is a Republican manner of thinking.
Do you support a woman’s right to be a prostitute? or a stripper, harry reed wants to make prostitution against the law, so much for Freedom of Choice, perhaps you should lean the true meaning of the word Freedom 1st. liberals are all for Freedom of Choice as long as it only pertains to abortion.
I support Freedom of Choice, for anyone 18 and older, if my daughter can not go to a hospital at the age of 16 to receive any medical attention without my permission, then she should also require my permission for an abortion, I just draw the line at 18. could care less if you are 18 then you live with all your choices and do not ask me to pay for them.
Do you know the reason for permitting girls under 18 to have an abortion without direct parental consent?
Tell us you’re not really that obtuse.
I resemble that remark.
And you know why poor and minority women have the highest rate of abortions? They get abortions because conservatives and Republicans refuse to fund enough clinics so they can access cheap or free contraceptives. The real question is why do conservatives fight against covering contraceptives since they cut the rate of abortions?
Let’s see conservatives are against abortion and against that which prevents abortion. Does that make any sense unless the issue isn’t really abortion but control.
Generic OCPs cost $8 a month. They are free at Planned Abortionhood(tm). I, speaking for myself only, a conservative, have absolutely no problem with open and easy access to contraceptives. Poor and minority women have the lowest rate of marriage or forming stable households for a host of social reasons, chiefly ignorance and lack of opportunity (poverty). That is why they have a disproportionate share of abortions, not some nefarious GOP plot. What the point of this article is, however, is the forcing of religious institutions to subsidize contraception, that runs against their teaching. We conservatives have a problem with that. As a liberal, wouldn’t you have a problem with a huge, powerful force (the Federal government) imposing its will on a weaker, religious institution?
If you are not below the poverty line and you don’t have health insurance contraceptives are expensive. If you do not have a car to get to the few reproductive clinics in the state you don’t have access to their free contraceptives program.
And the Catholic Church is not weak.
Oh yes …. had forgotten how they joked about going out to find and make a waitress sandwich. Such high moral fiber…..??
If we can say that Republicans are against women due to the abortion issue, can we also say that Democrats are against unborn babies?
The correct word is “fetus” “Unborn babies” is an oxymoron, used by the religiously hysterical and the scientifically impaired.
And Democrats are very much for babies. We support prenatal services, WIC, early childhood education and safety nets for families. All things that Republicans want to cut. If anyone is against babies, real babies, already born babies, babies that exist in this world, it’s Republicans.
Thanks for the broad brush smear that you liberals are so famous for condemning in others. I doubt the baby who is aborted really cares if you call her a baby, unborn human, fetus, or mass of cells. Shes is the same living being.
You never addressed Ms. Sally’s points.
Are you only for babies who haven’t been born? After that, screw ’em, let them starve?
You never get intelligent answers when you bring up the subject of anti-child legislation the Republicans like to enact. Never! “Screw ’em, let ’em starve” comes very close to the truth.
that’s exactly it. right to life. yes, yes, yes. right to live. its screw you welfare brat.
O.K. , Notthat girl, I will address Ms. Sally’s points. She calls me and my kind “hysterical” and “impaired.” Two points for her and her name-calling campaign. I (as part of the 50% of those who actually pay income taxes) financially support prenatal services, WIC, early childhood education, and safety nets for families, which I suspect Ms. Fluke, as a poor law student, does not. If you don’t pay income taxes, then you do not support them or any other social welfare program of which you are so fond.
Oh, good, the “be-glad-your-mother-didn’t-abort-you” argument against women making reproductive decisions without religious fanatics looking into their uterus’. Any more of that nonsense and I’ll get out my really broad brush. LOL
I am glad that your mother did not abort you. I really do not care if you persist in calling me names like fanatic, hysterical, or impaired; it does not affect me. I, in fact,support your right to contraceptives, but could I ask that you not force religious institutions for whom it is against their teachings to provide them? They are available elsewhere cheap or free. I support through my taxes (as part of the 50% of us who actually pay income taxes) prenatal clinics, MaineCare, WIC, TANF, SNAP and numerous other alphabet programs to support the unborn, babies, toddlers, tweens, teens, and twentysomethings who repeat the cycle of ignorance and poverty again and again.
Unless your a shape shifting I haven’t called you anything but obtuse. You on the other hand have said “Thanks for the broad brush smear that you liberals are so famous for condemning in others” Which I’m assuming was not meant for a complement.
Obtuse, hysterical, fanatic, and impaired, just today. I love you anyway. The proof is in your posts. I am glad your mother did not exercise her legal right to abort you.
“Democrats are for babies, Republicans are against babies” msallyjones 3.10.2012. That’s not a brush, its an 18 inch roller. Do you actually pay income taxes to support all the social welfare programs you defend so?
Yes. Would you like to discuss how much?
Regardless of how you choose to justify supporting the legal killing of unborn babies (or “fetuses” if you must sanitize it for the sake of your conscience), some day you’ll have to live with the guilt that your current belief will leave you with later. Just as so many Southerners who at one time supported segregation later had to come to grip with their previous hatred of blacks, abortionists will eventually be enlightened to the fact that unborn babies should receive the same respect for life that those who’ve had the privilege of being allowed to pass through the birthing process enjoy. Slave owners in the early history of this country did not regard blacks as full human beings, but that didn’t change the fact that these slaves were indeed fully human. In 50 to 100 years, I’d be willing to bet that Americans will look back at the period following Roe v. Wade as equally dreadful as the period prior to minorities being given full protection under the law that whites realize.
I’m not sanitizing anything. I know exactly what I’m talking about and what a fetus in the first trimester looks like in-utero. It is not a baby and the correct medical terms is fetus not some religious creation made up for propaganda purposes. It’s highly unlikely that I will suffer much guilt when a woman who has been unable to access affordable contraceptives aborts a fetus she knows she and the father cannot support.
When you stop fighting contraceptive coverage in the new Affordable Care plan, fund prenatal care for poor women and Planned Parenthood, WIC, safety nets for families and early childhood education then I’ll start taking your heart rending concern for the respect of the “unborn babies” seriously.
So do you support legal abortion in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters as well? How about late-term abortion?
If an expectant mother and father can’t afford to support a child, it seems like you consider this acceptable justification to terminate the fetus? Do you consider the affordability concern to be a reasonable excuse for parents who fail to provide reasonable medical care for their post-birth children as well? So many couples who are unable to have children have a difficult time adopting, so why aren’t we more focused on promoting adoption as a means to providing good homes for children?
I’m all for keeping contraception legal and readily available, as long as it is truly contraception, which is by definition “the prevention of fertilization.” Abortion is not contraception, since the process of fertilization has already taken place and can no longer be “prevented.” And I have no issue with programs designed to assist in the healthy development of children, as long as they are financially responsible programs that do not pay for abortion.
Yes. Do you want to discuss it?
Love the fetus, hate the child.
Wow, if you believe that, you need some education.
Whatever compelled you to write this type of article shows how politically motivated and morally shallow the BDN is.
Are you going to pretend that republicans don’t have a “women problem”? The polls show it pretty clearly.
Pollsters who ask questions like, “are you still beating your wife?”?
Commenters who ignore facts and create their own reality by dismissing the facts they don’t like?
polls are all fixed to lean which ever way they want.
That’s what people who want to ignore reality and facts say.
Can not come up with a better answer?? you used the same thing on other articles. Do you follow Fox News Polls? I bet you dismiss them, I do, they lean the way they want them too as well.
Did not figure you would answer the Fox News question?
LOL, now there’s a really sophisticated answer.
Given the hysteria the editorial has generated among conservatives I’d say the article was politically astute, morally courageous and hit a raw nerve.
Then you are shallow also. To say “all” or paint people of a particular mindset with the same brush defies logic and deserves little attention.
Who said, “all”? Not me.
cons like to make up their ‘truths’ as they need them.
all they’re doing is printing the truth. the repubs are fools and will go down big time for it.
A war on women???
Can’t help but wonder how many of these anti-war Progressives can honestly sleep with their consciences at night, owning the attack screams of “Baby Killers!” knowing they have perhaps just aborted their own flesh and blood.
Each of us is free to choose our own lives and the military is sworn to protect those choices. However, I believe the Common Sense of most people includes respect for the very, very rare circumstancial need for an abortion even as the very thought of mass baby genocide at the hands of their own parents is a morally bankrupt excuse in the name of contraception.
An individual’s religion is a subset element of the self-determination process for some Americans and is Constitutionally protected. However, religious choice cannot mandate equally applied anti-abortion law to every woman any more than secularists can enforce their beliefs on all women in violation of their religious beliefs.
Everyone has his or her own values. The government should get out of people’s lives and set people free to their own determinations. The government should neither provide money for abortions nor deny free choice to have one in of those extremely rare circumstances…..and then leave the matter to an individual’s private conscience, for better or worse so to remove the false premise of a “war on women.”
Haven’t read the Hyde Amendment have you?
I really don’t have to march lock step with what any group thinks I should think. Liberals do not speak for me nor does any party for that matter. I will vote for the candidate who holds to the constitution and allows me to work for my own security.
If the foundations for your opinions start with this:
“Adam and Eve were in the garden… a talking serpent tempted Eve… everyone became cursed”
then maaaaybe you should take a long, hard look at why you think the way you do.
If you really think that we became “cursed”, I ask you to examine where you got that notion from, or if it lines up whatsoever with what we know about reality.
Then ask yourself if you would take advice from someone if they said that unruly children should be stoned to death (which, in some cases means being buried in the ground, while the villagers throw huge rocks at your head until you die).
Remember, Jesus said, ” Whoever is without sin, cast the first stone”…THIS IS WHAT THIS PRACTICE IS, AND WHERE IT CAME FROM. You call the Middle Eastern people backwards or uncivilized, but that is where the Christian Right takes its direction from.
Women shouldn’t speak in church, and have no authority over a man. Adulteresses should be killed. Women are the property of their husbands, women are CURSED.
Yeah, the Grand Old Party is sure for women, best buddies we all are.
If you can say that loudly enough, at least the part about no women speaking in church, no authority over man, etc, we can run you on the R ticket in Maine.
Oh, I can say it all loudly enough. I might even start my own church.
(Tax-free money, yippeee!)
Oh, shoot, I’m not allowed to teach a man anything. Huh, all female church, right on!
Conservatives say Republicans don’t have a problem with women.
OK. Explain why Republicans have as a platform position overturning Roe vs Wade. Explain why all of the Republicans running for nomination have stated they are fighting the Affordable Care Act’s provision for contraceptives. Explain why Rep. Issa refused to listen to a woman, any woman testify about contraceptive coverage. Explain the behavior of your spokesperson, Mr. Limbaugh. Explain why no Republican except George Will has condemned Mr. Limbaugh’s three day slandering of Ms. Fluke. Explain the MLTF Palin buttons. Explain your legislation to gut services to women and children. Explain your vendetta against women’s reproductive health clinics. And, please, please explain your intense desire to make reproductive decisions for women.
Looks like a problem to many women.
I loved George Will’s comment last Sunday (and I usually don’t) saying “All these Republican candidates want to go to war with Iran yesterday but none of them have the courage to stand up to Rush Limbaugh”. Perfectly true. Cowards, all of them.
Republicans going after women? Yeah right, when you figure them out, gimmee a call.
This is not an issue about the GOP, it is an issue about the hijacking of the GOP by Christian Dominionists. Our Constitution was written precisely the way it was to pre-empt these kinds of actions. Unfortunately the Dominionists have been quietly infiltrating DC and our state legislatures, insidiously, with smiling faces and hail fellow well met artifice. Now they are firmly entrenched and have set about breaking down every advancement in society of the last 400 yrs.
BTW, this is not conspiracy twaddle. This has been written about by many a greater mind than my own. The point is, if you are a religious person we are happy for you, but you CANNOT use the tenets of your faith to rule over the rest of us from a political platform. It is against the Constitution. Live your life the way you see fit and the rest of us will do the same.
Are these the same advancements that have the populations of the world hating each other? Are these the same advancements that still have poor throughout the world? Are these the same advancements that have divorce at %50? Are these the same advancenments that only count if your a liberal? (this article being a perfect example) Are these the same advancements that don’t include women like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman because they are conservative? And having good Christians back in our legislatures is not a bad thing. It’s time to put this country back where it belongs, instead of continuing down the path of God hating, Bible burning liberalism we are now.
Palin and Bachmann are not included because they are either self serving and/or uninformed, not because they are women. There are plenty of intelligent, well intentioned and well informed Republican women and they are respected, Kay Bailey Hutchins, Olympia Snow, Susan Collins, Barbara Murkowski to name just a few. Oh, and Democrats don’t burn holy books but cracked Christian conservative preachers burn the Koran.
And Nanci Pelosi and Hillary Clinton aren’t self-serving and uniformed? Or the women of NOW who are more about their agenda, than women’s agendas. If they weren’t, they would take into account the opinions of conservtive women, but they don’t. And the ladies you mentioned are NOT conservative. They are more independant, than Republican.
Wayno you do not understand the difference between belief and fact. Your postings indicate you think people that don’t believe as you do are wrong.
They are both uninformed. Among other misinformation one thinks Africa is a country. The other thinks the founding fathers abolished slavery. One uses her handicapped child as a political prop. The other claims to have raised 23 children. Both of them think God told them to run for president of the United States. Apparently when God heard them open their mouths He decided He’d made a mistake and offered no further help. Neither is politically viable.
First of all, where are you seeing these Bibles being burnt? Where are these god-haters? Oh, that’s right, nowhere. Fox News lies. (BTW, not believing in something and hating it are two different things.)
Hopefully, you understand the difference between “belief” and reality. Some people “believe” that you shouldn’t take your kid to the doctor, that you should instead pray over them and anoint them with oil. And if they die, you weren’t faithful enough. Sound crazy to you? Read up on what you claim to know so much about. The Bible states that a talking snake tricked a lady named Eve, and we are now cursed. Think about that for a moment.
Do your homework on your enemy, these Bible-burners (LOL) Find out what exactly you are talking about when it comes to secular nations. Google “secular nation statistics”. Take a good, long hard look at what you think you “know”.
I read God-hating comments all the time from commenters on these posts. People who tell me God is a myth, or calling Him “Sky Ghost,” or some other derogatory name. And I see people like Bill Maher who think Tim Tebow is a whack job and gets to much press for his religious beliefs. Or I see comments from people who were offended by LL Cool J’s prayer for Whitney at the beginning of the Grammy’s. Should I keep going? MSNBC is the biggest liar going by the way. They spend more time trying to fight Fox, and their higher ratings, than actually reporting the news.
And I do understand the difference. The problem is some people are to extreme one way or the other, as in your example. Or in the opposite example of an athiest student in RI taking her school board to court, and running up a $173,000 tab before the board caved in due to lack of funds, over a prayer mural in her school.
And if the Bible says a snake tricked Eve, than a snake tricked Eve. And I googled your suggestion. I choose not to read athiest related material. Atheism angers me beyond belief. Having NO faith in some form of God, no matter what faith, is disgusting.
” Atheism angers me beyond belief. Having NO faith in some form of God, no matter what faith, is disgusting.”
maybe people are less than respectful of your god and faith since what they believe (atheism) angers you and causes disgust. i’m sure they pick up on that….
why then, should they show you and your beliefs any respect? you sound like you are demanding from people something you will not extend yourself.
have you not learned that in this world you get what you give? give some respect and understanding, get some in return…..and vice versa.
it’s really as simple as that.
I can see where I may have good company when “left behind” after the rapture comes. If no rapture, I will buy you a beer and we can chuckle over which one of the many gods is crazier than the next. I would never burn their bibles, I don’t hate their gods, because laughter is more satisfying.
17% of reps in the US are women, and the old white guys are cringing because the whites will be a minority in 20 years and they may be facing more black, Latino, Asian, atheist, Muslim, Humanists, in office. I am sure they will rush to defend the Muslim faith.
Enjoy your trip.
Outside of whack job Nanci Pelosi, the two biggest females in American politics right now are conservatives Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman. But I guess the GOP hates women anyway. The truth is, Dems hate women who aren’t Dems. If a woman thinks conservatively, she is not “one of them” and is an outcast.
Women in PoliticsDemocrats RepublicansClinton PalinObama BachmannPelosi MurkowskiBoxer CollinsFeinstein SnowLincoln HutchinsonMcCaskillGillibrandLandreauKlobucharMikulskiMurryCantwellHagan
Well that post didn’t come out as planned see above.
What the? Please elaborate.
Women in Politics
Democrats Republicans
Clinton Palin
Obama Bachmann
Pelosi Murkowski
Boxer Collins
Feinstein Snow
Lincoln Hutchinson
McCaskill
Gillibrand
Landreau
Klobuchar
Mikulski
Murry
Cantwell
Hagan
Elizabeth Warren, soon to be added *crosses fingers*
Oh right! Even if she doesn’t win she is still a force to be reckoned with.
I always thought the GOP welcomed anyone rich and arrogant.
The amendment proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt that would have allowed any employer to refuse insurance coverage of contraception or any other service by citing moral or religious reasons was cosponsored by Sen. Mark Rubio.
Say goodbye to your VP aspiriations.
Too many ignorant replies to deal with one at a time. How did those women get into government? The real question is why only 17% of our reps are women? Why do women have to play by the rules for someone that is running a public business like a hospital or school? Because they take public money.
The righties say that State employees should not be able to give to political parties, welfare recipients eat chips, all because somehow you think you should control their paychecks or their lives because it came from taxes.
To the guy that says his wife looks good in a hijab. Try telling her you demand she wear it all the time. All this bogus “religious freedom” talk. You wanted to ban a mosque in N.Y. I bet you wouldn’t let your brother, sister, mother, or yourself be forced to pray to Allah five times a day if you worked for a Muslim company.
I am certain you would demand a blood transfusion if you were bleeding after an accident. Do you support your Christian Scientist boss denying you the policy to cover it, or for your child to have his/her appendix out?
This is a proud country, with no god in the constitution. You are free to talk to voices in the sky, but don’t try to force your hallucinations on others. P.S. Why don’t you support the rabbis, the preists, the imams, when they call for universal health care, or feeding the poor, or stopping the endless wars?
Answer: because you are hypocrites who would rather hate than love your fellow humans. The really disgusting thing is that even if I knew it was you, I would stop to help if you were in pain, try to get your kids the care they needed, feed you if your were hungry, and you would take it and still hate me because I don’t need an angry old white guy in the clouds to tell me what is right.
The libbers must be really desperate to come up
with this one. Since their socialist ideology just don’t
cut it, they need some phony symbol to make the sheep
get up and bleat. The democrats should be ashamed of themselves
for conning the public. Just more trash to keep focus off their
blatant socialist agenda.
The birth control amendment was not “radical,” is was “reactionary.” Today’s republicans are reactionaries, not radicals. They are regressive, not progressive. They want to re-gress, go back, to more control over personal behavior rather than pro-gress, move forward, to let individual’s make those choices for themselves. (Unless of course the choice involves making money… then they are all for liberalizing policy even if it means those liberated capitalists, whoever they may be, dem or repub, can crash the economy with the policies that promote unfettered greed, dangerous speculation, predatory profit taking simply because the system they created for themselves can.)
The correct description of today’s gone off the rails national republican party is reactionary, not radical.
I do not understand how or why a party that used to stand for standard fiscal and social policies and firm control over their members has allowed 20% of their membership take the party into a death spiral that is poisoning the American electorate.
Weak come back, Homer.