When John Moore moved back to Maine from Massachusetts, he thought he wouldn’t have to wait long to get a permit to carry a concealed handgun.
After all, Maine law says applicants who have been Maine residents for five years or longer have to be notified within 30 days of whether they’ve been approved or denied.
Although it has been only a bit more than three weeks since he applied, Moore, 40, of New Gloucester isn’t optimistic.
A quick visit to the state’s website told him he might have to wait up to three months for his permit. Moore, a martial arts teacher, believes knowledge of and ability to use firearms properly is part of being proficient in self-defense to protect himself, his wife and twin daughters.
He cited a recent trend in Maine of burglaries and home invasions by addicts seeking prescription drugs. In the rural area where he lives, law enforcement response time to a 911 call can be about 20 minutes, he said.
In Massachusetts, state law allows permits to carry concealed handguns, “but they can make it impossible,” Moore said. He hoped it would be different in Maine.
Though not impossible, getting a permit here appears to require increasing patience.
And it’s not only at the state level.
Maine towns and cities that handle their own applications for permits to carry concealed handguns are telling permit seekers they should expect to wait more than 30 days.
In Auburn, the wait is averaging around six weeks; in Lewiston, applicants are told it can take as long as 12 weeks.
As more people buy handguns, more gun owners are applying for permits.
Gun dealers say demand for handguns has shot up.
“Sales have been very good,” said Jamie Pelletier, manager of Reid’s Guns and Cigars in Auburn.
At G3 Firearms in Turner, handgun sales have doubled over the past year, owner Chris Jordan said.
Enrollment at firearm-safety courses has kept pace with brisk sales. Pelletier said every class offered by the shop has been full.
Paul Mattson, a National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor in Harrison, said he has seen demand for his course in personal protection climb by nearly one-third over the past three years.
He said his students are frustrated by the time lag. One student, a 74-year-old woman who is a lifetime Maine resident, waited 114 days for her permit, while it took only 2½ weeks for her to get a U.S. passport in the mail, he said.
Maine State Police Lt. David Bowler said his agency put the notice on the state’s website because it had been inundated with emails and phone calls from applicants wondering why they hadn’t received their permits. The time it took to answer the inquiries was taking time from working on issuing the permits, he said.
“For some reason, we’ve been getting quite an unusual amount of applications” for the permits, he said.
Bowler oversees the concealed-handgun-carrying permitting process at the Maine Department of Public Safety for about 250 municipalities, such as New Gloucester, that don’t issue their own permits. His also is the only permitting agency for nonresidents and private investigators.
The number of applications for concealed-carry permits processed by his agency shot up 46 percent from 2008 to 2011, he said.
While applications are up, staffing at his agency is not.
“We just never seem to get caught up,” he said. To make matters worse, he has had personnel shifts that left the agency even shorter-staffed at times.
He has tried to address the problem with creative staffing solutions, short of paying overtime, “just to see if it’s making a dent in this thing,” he said. “If it looks like it’s just a Band-Aid on a broken leg, then I’ll stop it and just keep on charging forward the best we can.”
He doesn’t expect to get more workers anytime soon, Bowler said.
Part of the problem is waiting for other agencies or institutions to respond to requests for information, he said.
Applications require federal background checks, as well as checks with local law enforcement and mental health institutions.
As the number of permit applicants grows, those agencies and institutions have become overwhelmed by requests for information, Bowler said.
“We’re at the mercy of these entities,” he said. “They’re probably in the same boat we are … It’s just a vicious circle of getting bogged down.”
Bowler said he couldn’t explain the sharp increase in applications, but he pointed to the spike in gun sales.
He said the lagging economy may have had an effect.
Mattson said he believes that is a contributing factor, along with Moore’s concern over burglaries and home invasions.
“People really can’t have law enforcement at their disposal,” he said. He’s seen a greater percentage of women and more older people pursue handgun-safety courses.
Jordan said he’s heard from his customers a “huge” increase in interest in concealed-carry permits since the 2008 election.
He said he sees more older couples in his store shopping for handguns for home protection.
Bowler said handgun owners who have permits should apply for renewal before their permits expire. If they do, they can continue to carry a concealed handgun until their renewal is approved or denied. If they wait until after their permits expire, they have six months to apply for a renewal, but can’t conceal their handguns. If they wait more than six months after their permits expire, they have to apply as though they never had a permit.
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It’s interesting that while the citizenry is required to obey the law, evidently the State of Maine is not. We have a situation where law abiding people are doing their best to comply with the requirements and government takes a ho-hum attitude to its own half of the bargain. The truth is that they really don’t want you to carry concealed and they are leaving roadblocks in the way. But I’m not betting that the Maine Civil Liberties Union will spend much time looking out for our rights on this one.
Well..The best part about all this is,my 357 won’t be concealed when those dirtbags come thought my door..far as protecting your home..GREENLIGHT…
Funny how that works, the State does not have to obey their own laws. I wonder if this is why LePage is not making Gov’t transparent, maybe he sent an email to agencies stating to take their sweet loving time. I would just wait 30 days after applying, don’t get told if I am approved or denied, I will just carry it, get caught without a permit, I will gladly ask the Judge if he/she can tell me why it is OK for the State to break the law but not the citizens.
Your right about transparency. Let’s just make sure that we get to see the working papers of John Martin and Emily Cain too. I don’t see the Dem legisvermin rushing to make their papers public.
Nice thing about the law. Once this whole mess gets to Federal Court (and we all can see it headed there even now) the 6th Amendment is gonna solve everybody’s problem. You can’t have Due Process with out full public disclosure now can we ? And under the 8th Amendment that means Equal and Full Application of the law to everyone. As it says in The Bible, “It rains on the just and the unjust.”
I think you are wrong on this one. Truth is – the state is understaffed, combined with increased interest from the public. It is a form of supply & demand. I’ve had a carry permit since the early 80s. Never had to wait, until my town selectmen decided to duck the responsibility for issuing further permits and turned it over to the state police. My first permit through the state police took 65 days to arrive. No telling what the wait will be next time, but it is the only game in town, as they say.
With the amount of work on their end to validate, approve, and issue a permit being what it is (simple, quick, and easy) there is no excuse to not issue permits at the state legislated amount of time.
It is the law and the Maine State Police should be following it, plain and simple. They do not hesitate to arrest or ticket people that do not follow the law, what makes them any different?
When you fill out your ten page carry permit application, there are several places where you sign to give the police permission to query possible records concerning you in mental health, military, court, other law enforcement organizations, and previous issuing authorities (towns) databases. These alone contribute to the delay, because, although the state police can ask for the data, they cannot compel these other authorities to instantly comply. Recognize too that many of these other organizations also have manning issues, and that the record searches requested may well be assigned as collateral duties to already busy individuals. Imagine the liberal shrieking that would ensue if someone slipped through the cracks and got his permit when they shouldn’t have. We cannot have it both ways.
The law is the law and since everything is in computerized databases it only takes a few keystrokes to query the eligibility of someone for a permit. There is no excuse for the state police to knowingly violate state law and it is pathetic that people are defending them for doing so.
Imagine the conservative screaming if they hired enough staff to meet the time limit. Oh wait, they are screaming now, after getting the cuts they wanted. It was OK to cut everyone else, but not them. Sad, that they still don’t see it.
The issuing agency has to send out requests to mental heath hospitals and do a state and federal back ground check. Until the materials come back they should not be issuing a permit. You can give them more time or more staff. When the demand increases you add on or slow down. Back ground checks for these permits are not digital. Part of the permit packet includes release forms that have to be mailed out and then you wait for them to get mailed back to you. Maine may have a law that says the issuing agency has to get this done in 30 days however the hospitals and federal government are under no obligation to have it done in 30 days. They have their own work to do and get to the checks when time allows. Unlike NCIS or CSI things don’t happen as fast as they do on TV. The Federal Backgriund check for purchases checks the federal data base, not mental hospitals, local records etc. There are some states that do not have an automated system and require their records to be hand searched. Same for some local PD’s. Again, not everything you see on TV happens in real life. Call you local agency and see how long it takes them to get the forms back.
Like I said, background checks are digital. If you can purchase a firearm you are eligible for a concealed weapon permit.
The Maine State Police are violating state law and that is indefensible. The “top law agency” in the state should set the example for following the law, otherwise how can they issue tickets and make arrests when they are just as guilty for not following the law?
Now you want more government……..
Now, that you conservatives control it YOU want more government……..
I’m far from conservative.
From your original post, I can’t really tell what you’re trying to get at. You almost sounded Republican, but I couldn’t commit to that assumption because you were chanting for more government. So….. you’re a liberal that doesn’t care for the MCLU?
And what kind of control do you like?
The current Administration passed a law saying they can do it in thirty days,
and so who can’t get that job done ?
Anyone paying any attention to their record and performance
should not be surprised by the Le Page Administration failing to meet the
normal standards of a function State government,
never mind their own unrealistic standards.
There is the way it is.
Now, think hard about who is at fault, and in how many different ways,
they are are at fault if the State is breaking it OWN new laws that
they (re) wrote themselves?
SO , are they incompetent in (re) writing the law, in meeting the requirements of laws that they wrote, or is it in the best interest of the conservatives to (re) write laws it so it can’t be met and all the people who are waiting for carry permits will blame the wait on the darn Big Government (THE GOTea controlled, not liberal, big government) is denying them their 2nd Amendment Rights.
Are the GOTea Party members … or ALEC, as the case usually is…
smart enough (re)write laws that can not be met
because it maintains the conservative’s own myths about
the evil Big Government which more important than writing
good, realistic law ? .
“The current Administration passed a law saying they can do it in thirty days, and so who can’t get that job done ?”
Not sure where you obtained this information. The specific section of Title 25: Internal Security and Public Safety, Part 5 Public Safety Chapter 252: Permits to Carry Concealed Handguns, Section 12 dates to 1991 and Governor McKernan.
As last revised when ?
I do believe I answered that question but I will answer it again…
12. Permit for a resident of 5 or more years to be issued or denied within 30 days; permit for a nonresident and resident of less than 5 years to be issued or denied within 60 days. The issuing authority, as defined in this chapter, shall issue or deny, and reply in writing as to the reason for any denial, within 30 days of the application date in the case of a resident of 5 or more years and within 60 days of the application date in the case of a nonresident or in the case of a resident of less than 5 years. If the issuing authority does not issue or deny a request for a permit renewal within the time limits specified in this subsection, the validity of the expired permit is extended until the issuing authority issues or denies the renewal.
[1991, c. 865, §3 (AMD).]
The section was amended in 1991 when Governor McKernan held office.
http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/25/title25sec2003.html
And last year’s revisions were about what ?
Making it cheaper, may-be ?
“And last year’s revisions were about what ?”
Don’t know. Why don’t you research it yourself and actually read the law.
“Making it cheaper, may-be ?”
And the problem with that is? The applicant still needs to pass a local, state and federal criminal background check and also a check to determine if the applicant is mentally stable.
I did.
So by outlasting you did I win the political point, even by your no compromise standards, yet, or not ?
Do you need a madal or a chest to pin it on?
I suspect he has a flail chest from thumping it so much.
Listen to yourself…
I know, but not standing you to the poor opposed conservatives as they spin t
he issues has not worked.
So why not just embrace their approach ?
Once started, quitting because we get embarrassed for the geezers
is the right thing to do, I know, but it not exploring nor respecting all the
political possibilities.
That is just wrong for real Americans in this election year.
Besides that you are criticizing me for being like the most extreme conservatives , for mirroring their (your ?) approach, is pretty funny to some of us.
That you can’t see the humor in it is telling to many others.
But that you got the point, and say look at yourself,
means they ( you ?) should do what, now ?
Thank you and no compromise !
lol
Ooookaaay…
There are consequences to cutting government.
Get over it or increase funding.
wrong as usual…remove the ridiculous permit requirement requirement and cut the finding entirely
get over it tyke, 3/4 of what government provides is utterly useless
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Don’t sweat his illogical, faith based, anti-progress details.
His role is to make the other extremists here, look as they
were somewhere near normal.
So what is the big worry here, really ?
If you got one, and reapply properly, then your old permit is still good.
Waiting forever for a new, first issue, one is just a predictable result of
their own less government, cut, cut chop, cut dreams.
I love seeing them foam at the mouth
complaining about getting what they wanted.
And I see no good political reason not to encourage it .
No compromise ?
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The Maine Civil Liberties Union?? What a joke. They are no more than a homosexual mouth piece.
There may be some liberal members of the government who are anti-carry, but it is not the police officers. From (3) officers, “No matter how good we are, and how fast we can respond, you need to be able to defend yourself for anywhere from a few minutes to 30 minutes, depending on where you live or where you are at the time.”
A lot can happen in even a few minutes time while you are waiting for help. Don’t be a victim.
I’m guessing the gun show coming up is going to be packed.
Probably more so than Hollywood Sluts..
you mean hollywood castrato?
I sent my paper work ,along with my check, to the state several months before my permit expired and I’m still waiting. My permit has expired and although I’ve had one for over 30 years and very rarely see a need to carry one outside my home, it’s always been nice to have that option . I have had a run in with a young man who locked himself in my vehicle while in a drug induced state and didn’t seem to want to come out until I showed him the key that was going to unlock the door and explained to him what was going to happen to him if he didn’t want to come out on his own. Thank goodness he decided to come out on his own. As far as I know he is still in jail for that plus other more serious incidents where he did serious bodily injury to someone. Now that I’m in my mid sixties I have been thinking about carrying a little more often than I used to because of the serious drug problems that we now have in our communities.
Not sure why a gun was needed to get a stoned, unarmed kid out of your car. God forbid you call the cops, or wait a few minutes for him to get bored and come out on his own. A better lesson than ‘I need to carry a gun’ may be ‘I should lock the doors of my car’.
I lock my truck doors because the world isn’t perfect and some people will do horrible things to others. I carry a gun because the world isn’t perfect and some people will do horrible things to others.
And other people carry guns because people are carrying guns.
Actually, I carry a gun because people like you live under rocks and your ignorance has allowed the populace to be cowered by criminals who have run amuck…
The word is “amok”, and he has a point that is obviously lost on you.
Spend less on guns, and more on the education you need.
Both spellings are correct.Your post is perfectly accurate though.
Always the same around here. If you irritate a liberal, they attempt to portray you as stupid, and they as educated without even knowing who you are. Just because a person doesn’t agree with the way the left leaning society in this nation is going, doesn’t make them delusional or uneducated. Left thinkers preach tolerance but don’t seem to practice it unless it’s in there own interest.
You certainly have a point there! Observe the places where “speech codes” have been implemented. Colleges and universities; places where the Left has held sway for decades. There is nothing more intolerant than a leftist. Nothing. If you disagree with one, first, you’ll be charged with stupidity. If that doesn’t silence you, then you’ll be accused of racism – even if it is quite a stretch. If you can’t believably be painted as stupid or racist, the last accusation is that you are “uninformed”. I’ve seen it so many times, it could be a meme. Read back through any long discussion on this web site and see if I’m wrong!
A liberal gets very, very upset when they find out that their right to free speech gets trumped by another’s right to not give a @#$%.
Inanity.
Just his, not our, and surly not your ignorance, right JonathanKlondowski ?
But you do realize that you ( in your own ignorance, perhaps) have implied the need and nearly called for better solutions than carrying a concealed weapon ?
Thanks tough guy, but I don’t need your protection. In fact, I’d feel safer if people with power and control issues weren’t running around playing self-appointed Sheriff with guns. Why don’t you go work on your survival shelter and let the grown-ups worry about ‘criminals’ running “amuck” (sic).
That was the most ignorant statement I have ever read on hear. You can’t really believe that if law abiding people didn’t carry firearms that criminals would stop carrying them too. If that were the case then Washington, D.C. would be the safest place in the country and Maine would be the most dangerous. Instead just the opposite is true.
Well, if you personally have an unfortunate encounter with a drugged or crazy assailant, or perhaps a rabid mammal, you can call Ghostbusters. Do let us know if that is a more viable alternative, won’t you?
We had an attempted home invasion on a Sunday night about 3 weeks ago. Guy with “druggie no-account” written all over him wanted to come in and use the phone……..while his buddy was waiting down the road in a vehicle……right!
It took 25 minutes for a LEO to arrive on the scene. Four of us, heavily armed, ran the bad guy off, and he was running flat out when he went down the snowy road to meet his pickup guy.
If we maintained your ideas, instead of realizing we are responsible for our own safety, in the end, we could be dead today.
You can wait for law enforcement to come get the bad guys out of your house, for that 25 minutes if you want, but we have no intention of being “unprepared”.
In the past three weeks 2 LEO’s have told us that home invasions are the fastest rising crimes in Maine, occurring every day, most never reported by news sources, and that these are extremely dangerous as most of the perps are really bad people, with long records, who are desperate for both money and drugs, and will do anything to get them, including killing anybody in their way.
As times get worse more and more good people will take steps to take care of themselves. NO wonder that there is a backlog of applications .
What is a LEO? Personally they make break into my home but it is my intent to have them carried out. Perhaps LiePage could hire another relative to issue permits.
Cro3don. LEO is either Law Enforcement Officer or Organization. I’m not sure exactly which one though. I think it has to do with the context.
…. And of course you are perfect so your gun is no threat any other perfect person, right ?
I didn’t use a gun to get him out of my car. I wasn’t armed at the time and as I said this “kid”,who was in his thirties, was put in jail for beating someone severely. We all forget from time to time to lock our vehicles but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for someone to jump right in. As I said I’ve had a concealed carry permit for over 30 years and very rarely carry. No one in their right mind wants to hurt somebody they don’t need to but if it comes down to protecting yourself or getting hurt or killed what would you do?
An armed society is a polite society Bangorian, You are not going to see a return to the wild wild west, but look at the recent rash of home invasions that ended in the perpatrator being shot. That will have more effect than jail time in the long run.
Judging from the pro-gun posters here, your “polite” argument is pretty hilarious.
Another inanity.
The inanity is your belief that I do not have the right to defend myself, my family and my home.
No one is denying you the right – no one. You can ring your home perimeter with barbed wire and mines for all I care. Just tell the kids to be careful.
I live now in S.TX; TX being arguably the most “armed” state in the union. I am very sad to say that this has had very little effect on crime. The reason? Criminals never think they will get caught. Criminals by and large are not very smart. Reason seems a bit foreign to them.
Yes, a few guys get shot now and then, I also remember several stories of elder folks beating the perps into submission with whatever they had at hand: broom, pan, cane, etc. But these instances of home defense make no difference in the scheme of things.
You shouldn’t need a permit to carry concealed in the first place, it is totally legal to open carry in the state of Maine. Why a permit to conceal the firearm?
You can be required to put up a surety bond in the event that someone believes that you are carrying a gun in an intiminating manor, it ‘s better to keep it legally concealed.
Displaying a weapon in an intimidating manor can also get you into an unwelcomed gun fight.
Requiring a concealed permit helps define it as an defense weapon rather than an offensive weapon to the authorities.
It’s all about percieved intent!
“Displaying a weapon in an intimidating manor….”
It can also get you prosecuted for criminal threatening. Stating openly and clearly your intent to defend yourself should the circumstances indicate it’s proper is one thing, but brandishing a weapon of any sort is quite another matter.
The definition of displaying a weapon is to remove it from its holster or place of concealment.
Two good reasons right off the top of my head: 1. Although open carry is legal in Maine, it draws attention from law enforcement and escalates encounters. You may argue that it shouldn’t, but you are arguing against human nature. The LEO wants to go home at the end of his/her shift, and he is going to take steps to protect himself. This may involve stopping you and securing your weapon until you are fully checked out. Do you like that kind of attention? 2. When you carry openly, you advertise it, by definition. Crooks can then take measures to surprise you, perhaps coldcock you, and take your gun away. Better, if confronted, that your concealed weapon be a total surprise to them. I love surprises, don’t you? Although I agree with the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment that I should not have to ask anyone’s permission to carry, I choose to obey the laws as they are today, as long as they ultimately do not prohibit me from exercising that right.
If the LEO wants to go home at the end of the then he can leave you alone. If you get detained and disarmed for engaging in lawful activity then you sue.
Let me know how that works out for you.
Punks with guns !
No, people who are armed to protect against punks.
What in the name of thunder do we have to fear in Maine that compels us to seek a permit to carry a concealed weapon and be ready to kill someone?
Please don’t make me sick and tell me it’s because I and millions more elected President Barack Obama.
It’s as ridiculous as carrying firearms on Sand Beach in Acadia National Park. One of the most beautiful places in the world. Now you have to walk slowly and keep an eye peeled. You many never know when someone is going to prod you in the stomach and accuse you of looking the wrong way. Unfortunately, I can’t carry a concealed weapon in my swim shorts.
What a mess the republicans and their tea party bosses are making of this country.
Stupid inanities of a society on the fringe.
Not to mention gun manufacturers are legally protected from the damage caused by their products.Don’t the cigarette companies wish they were that lucky!
A pack of cigs carries a warning. Maybe a sticker on the car or forehead of people carrying concealed weapons: WARNING: Person is carrying a concealed weapon.
wouldnt want that ,you would be scared all the time then you would have to move back to where it was that you come from.Guns are a part of life here in Maine .If we feel our privledge is being threatend we take offence to it
Maybe you don’t care about the Bill of Rights. It is MY right as a U.S. Citizen to own and keep a firearm if I so desire. That right it guaranteed in both the U.S. Constitution and the Maine Constitution.
No one is preventing you from owning a slew of arms if you so desire. No one is attempting to take them away from you. I don’t see the need for people to be packing shoulder holsters in Maine.
Happily, there is a legal answer for those among us who cannot see the need to carry a weapon: Don’t carry one. Easy and simple. I recommend it.
You are truly delusional. Do you happen to actually read the
newspaper or watch the news? If you have not noticed there is a dramatic
increase of violent crimes in our state. If someone chooses to apply for a
concealed carry permit, get approved and choose to arm themselves for self-protection
what does it matter to you?
Apparently you only read something you believe justifies Mainers to load up on ammo and weapons – fear.
I would never have known anything about the fear you and your posse are spreading had I not have had the good fortune of learning how to read when I was five.
Almost all of the shootings, strangling and knifing in this state are due to drugs – dealers, shippers, buyers and users. I base this on a police statement which substantiates it. Believe it was in a couple of newspapers. Also, the fact that the majority of arrests and court cases listed daily in the Bangor Daily News have a drug connection. The “major outbreak” of violent crime is tied to drugs.
As to what matters to me? It’s sad to see a beautiful state being turned into a combat zone.
One person can do nothing to stop it. Even expressing an opinion results in a cannonade of unrest.
“It’s sad to see a beautiful state being turned into a combat zone.”
Would you be so kind as to provide one example of where in Maine one will find a “combat zone”.
What do I have to fear in Maine? Well lets see; domestic violence issues, people on drugs, home invasions, armed robbery, random shootings, and possible rising gang violence (according to the FBI anyways) I do have a permit and I don’t take it lightly. However, I also don’t subscribe to the shoot to wound philosophy. If I ever have to use it, I’m going to use it to end the altercation permanently and make sure my family and I go home safely.
This has nothing to do with the President but I can see why people are buying up firearms in large quantities. While he hasn’t done anything overt, the Fast and Furious gun dealings put together by Eric Holder do seem to have been done in an effort to turn the tide of opinions on gun control. Toss in the fact that Clinton put on an assault weapons’ ban during his time in office and people are bracing for a possible second term. It’s not unlikely that with a second term he wouldn’t attempt to push through many of his ideals.
I’m not at R and I’m not TeaParty but I do believe in the rights afforded me by the constitution. These are rights I DO NOT believe the current President respects or wishes to govern by. You wanted proof if one of the posts above. The NDAA is all the proof anyone should need.
All of your worries are based on speculative fears of what President Obama might do if he is elected to a second term. Why would this suddenly emerge as one of the most pressing issues to face this country? When he was elected the same fears were amplified by the owners, gun dealers and manufacturers. Nothing happened. Trying to relate Bill Clinton’s ban on assault weapons as a cause of concern that might trigger Obama to call for a ban on weapons ownership is just too vague.
Personally, I cannot see the need for anyone to possess an assault weapon, unless they are serving in military outfit. But that’s just one guy’s opinion. Besides the ban died some years ago, if I recall.
What is your definition of an “assault weapon”?
If this poses a dilemma for you, the solution is simple: Do not choose to carry. There, isn’t that better? As far as worrying about others who choose to carry, you are already surrounded by them. If THAT is a problem for you, you’ll be delighted to hear that there is still one state in the Union which does not allow its citizens to carry concealed. You have the option of moving to Illinois! Another benefit of living in Illinois is that you would be in the Democrat Peoples’ Paradise. All Democrat – all the time. Of course, your problem will then be: only the crooks (and the politicians and their bodyguards) will be carrying guns. Still, the Moral High Ground will be so refreshing…
Some people, a percentage of the population, have always carried concealed. You were born near, and grew up among people who carried concealed weapons. Their weapons were concealed, and they did not call attention to them. That is, after all, the whole point of the practice. It is a little late in the day to be agonizing about WHO in your vicinity may be “carrying”. Assume that anyone you might encounter is armed; you won’t be wrong as often as you’d think.
try taking your head out of the sand for a while and look around top side the view will be different
There is no conspiriacy here. Bottom line the system is overwhelmed with the number of applicants. The real problem are the idiots that keep enacting laws, rules and regulations without considering the resources required to enforce and support them.
It took over four months to recieve my CHP in the state I now reside in after a twelve hour class and a range qualification.
When seconds count the police are only 15 to 20 minutes away.
If they show up at all. The supreme court has already ruled that police are not legally responsible for our safety.
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You see they say Ugly War makes jobs , the use of Drugs and robberies makes jobs too !!! Just saying, and northermaine is right —you shouldn’t need a concealed weapon permit to carry concealed anyway. Isn’t it really about being able to take it with you for protection. At home I don’t need a concealed weapon permit to shoot an intruder!!! POLITICS IS BEHIND THE MOST OF IT YOU WILL FIND !!
The State Police are just plain lazy. There isn’t one of them that knows how to give a full day’s work for a full day’s play.
If I get a ticket today, I am blaming you.
Says someone who likely doesn’t want to see a trooper at his home or in the rearview. This mentality is generally the sign of someone who’s operating outside the law, which I’m sure you’ll vehemently deny, and more sure I won’t believe you.
Two immature and trite remarks doesn’t make a single coherent and truthful one.
Try it some day. After the first 12 hours you might want the night off.
I’m one of those folks who never held a gun, much less owned one before Jan 2009. But as soon as I heard the results of the presidential election, I bugged my husband to no end to get a handgun (actually I wanted a double-barreled shotgun to shoot the revenuers from the front porch). I took a class and found that I’m pretty good at hitting the center of the target.
If Obama is this brazen with not respecting the Constitution now, what will he and his administration be like if he gets reelected? It isn’t just the government officials I’m worried about, but the increase in crime due to his economic policies. Desperate people are more likely to steal other’s things.
Probabily one of the most intelligent posts I’ve read in a long time… God Bles You Ma’am, your husband is a lucky man.
Intelligent post? You’ve got to be kidding me!
She’s blaming the failed economy on Obama. It’s taken us longer to dig out of this mess than it should have, but this, “failed” economy started and was heading downward after the joke put upon the American people by the previous administration.
And please, answer intelligently, how do you define lack of respect for the Constitution? Do you have facts, or are you just going to throw innuendos out and hope they stick?
It isn’t lack of respect for Constitution, it is violation of: Eric Holder’s Fast and Furious. False Flag actions toward Saudi Diplomat attempting to blame on Iran. NDAA allowing Justice Dept to detain US citizens without charging them or taking them to trial (his mandate with threat of veto if not adhered to). Military action against Libya without congressional approval. Allowing TSA employees to fondle children (and adults). Assassinating US citizen without due process. Mandatory checkpoints inside the US. Affordable Care Act. Prohibiting Boeing from relocating to South Carolina.
Fast and Furious started under the Bush Administration.
False Flag actions – source and proof please.
NDAA – have you actually read the act?
Military action against Libya – would not be the first President to act unilaterally and it will not be the last.
TSA – oh please.
Mandatory checkpoints – must have missed them. Source and proof please.
Affordable Care Act – remains to be seen. IMHO it is unconstitutional.
Prohibiting Boeing from relocating to South Carolina – maybe you missed this news item “Labor board drops complaint against Boeing over S.C. plant”. By the way, no one prohibited anyone from moving anything. The plant moved from a union state to a right to work state and the NLRB filed a complaint over the non-union plant as they felt it was retaliation for past strikes at the Washington plant. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/09/news/la-pn-nlrb-boeing-20111209
RE Boeing – And the last sentence is:
“As part of the new deal with the machinists union, Boeing agreed to build a new fleet of 737 jets in the Seattle area.”
Sure looks like the NLRB supported the unions blackmail. ie We’ll drop the charges if you give us what we want ! Boeing HAD to capitulate or lose billlions only because of the NLRB.
Boeing established the plant in SC. That is a fact. They were not “prohibited” as the lead people to believe. Companies make “deals” all the time to end litigation, resolve complaints, etc…the FACT is they were NOT “prohibited” from locating a plant in SC.
I believe you’re missing the point – It was the NLRB that followed up on a union complaint or suit that Boeing violated labor laws when it open a new plant in S.C. Thus saying to ALL business that they better watch out if they want to open a business or unit in a right to work state.
The NLRB did what they are charged with doing. They acted on a complaint. They did not prevent or prohibit a plant from opening anywhere.
The NLRB supported the law. I know that may be a concept many here do not understand. Even when someone disagrees with you they have rights. There are right to carry bills, the government must respect and allow permits. There are NLRB laws to protect labor. Deal with it.
Nope
Fast and Furious = Per Washington Post, this began in October 2009. Was Obama on vacation and had Bush step in for a couple of weeks? False flag = attempted assassination of Saudi diplomat last fall trying to pin it on the Iranians with the goal of taking military action. Sounds like you are a fan of the NDAA provisions; I’m not. Libya = I thought we were getting transparency, hope, and change? To violate the Constitution and attack a sovereign nation certainly seems to support his Nobel Peace Prize selection (sarcasm). I suggest you do some research to find out how Libya is doing now. Persecution of blacks is what I am hearing (similar to persecution of Christians in Egypt). It previously had the distinction of having the highest standard of living in Africa. There are numerous VIDEOS showing TSA staff violating the personal space of US citizens, including children. If a private citizen did that to another they would end up being convicted for sexual assault with the tory being posted on this website. They also SAVED pictures from the scanners. And do some research on the hiring process background checks; you may be surprised. As with NDAA perhaps you are ok with US citizens being treated like criminals before being able to access something that is by and large paid for with taxpayer money. Checkpoints = there was a joint TSA operation in Tennessee last year and there are several DHS checkpoints in southern Texas. ACA = we agree on that one. I should add that about a week ago Panetta testified to Congress that the Administration does not require Congressional approval for military action when there is international support for it. A Rep from North Carolina has introduced a b ill calling for Obama’s impeachment. I know MSM isn’t reporting this because it doesn’t help sell Chevy Malibus, the new Johnny Depp movie, or Bud Light.
Actually Chumby Fast and Furious was the second of two “gunwalking” operations carried out by by BATFE. The first one was carried out under the Bush Administration.
Would you care to provide your source for the False Flag claim?
As I said before, President Obama wasn’t the first and will not be the last to forgo Congressional authorization before committing combat forces.
TSA – If you don’t wish to submit to the scanners simple solution, don’t fly.
Checkpoints – nothing new there. I was stopped at one in the mid 1980’s at the old I-95 Pittsfield rest area. It was conduct by Customs and Border Patrol. Three questions, maybe 30 seconds and away I went.
Impeachment – you might want to do a bit more research before declaring “A Rep from North Carolina has introduced a bill calling for Obama’s impeachment” because that is not completly accurate. http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/03/12/obama-impeachment-bill-introduced-congress
MSM – I don’t listen to or watch it.
And what kind of a joke do you call borrowing money from China? Goverment bailouts to auto industrys,,and the bank bailouts , and the list of foolish things keeps going on &on What has Nobama really done to help our country? I dont care if hes yellow ,brown , blue pink or purple!!I beleive hes selling our country down the tubes and that is his full intention.
I’m not anti-gun but what the frigg does Obama have to do with Maine being slow in issuing concealed weapons permits? Good grief!
It is very simple. People perceive that Obama is antigun and they hope that, if regulations are tightened, they will be ‘grandfathered’, if they obtain guns and permits now, rather than later. For the last two years, people have been saying that Obama should be awarded a citation for being the Best Firearms Salesman of the Year. This is in response to folks buying guns in the hope they can arm themselves before the restrictions cut in. Gun sales are WAY up. WAY up. All thanks to The One…
Tell me another one.
Yes, that was very simple.
They bought guns because they are paranoid, and you now want the paranoid
to be allowed to carry concealed weapons without proper vetting.
Jimlay is a tool, so he can’t see beyond the end of his own weapon,
but in the long run who would it benefit after a few gunfights…
ones like where a Republican State Representative gets dead in a gun fight in …
was it a Denny’s ? … where the Republican State Representative pulled his gun ?
What do expect would happen if he had pulled on someone with a brand new
carry permit and who was not properly vetted just like Jimlay wishes ?
When the time comes dont bring your knife to a gun fight
I worry about you, Disqus. I think your medication is not working as well as it was…
I won’t quibble about the paranoia, because that is a subjective judgment for you, but where are you getting this business of me not wanting proper vetting of carry permit people? I am confident that I have never, ever indicated that I wish prospective CCW types were not properly checked out. In fact, I have argued, right here in this particular thread, that there are good reasons for the state police not issuing permits within the time frame envisioned by the legislature.
It is fine, if you do not wish to carry a weapon, that’s a personal choice. But I almost get the feeling that you do not wish anyone ELSE to be able to do so.
As for the rest of your little rant – I cannot fight hyperbole, so I won’t bother. Have a nice day.
This president is known as the firearms industries best gun salesman because of his social and economic idealogy. Firearm sales are up, interest in safe and proficient use of those firearms is up, interest in carrying a concealed handgun is up, meaning the same staffing is now trying to do twice as much work. Good grief man it is really very simple.
And yet Obama, as president, has not signed ANY anti-gun legislation. Good grief! So what you people are saying is that perception alone, perception that is not based in fact, is enough to influence your purchasing decisions. You people are an advertisers dream come true. And again, NO, I am not anti-firearm.
Any excuse is acceptable when the president happens to be an African-American.
Well the fact of the matter is President Obama is bi-racial.
What the????
Black father white mother.
So! Again, what the heck does that have to do with anything?
Seems pretty foolish to you doesn’t it. Well it seems pretty foolish to me that both sides continue to use the race card as it relates to the President. He is an AMERICAN. He is not a Black-American or a White-American or a African-American or a Hawaiian=American or a Bi-Racial-American. He is an American.
Download his long-form birth certificate from the White House website. Open it up in Illustrator. You will quickly see that the document they posted online is a “Photoshopped” creation and not a scanned document. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t born here but the document he provided is an electronic canard.
And why do you believe it was “Photoshopped”?
So are so many other Americans – millions of ’em.
I don’t believe I said anything to the contrary.
Why would you even pull that crap. As far as I have read in the posts, you are the only one who has mentioned anything about race. Typical tactic from your type.
My blood type is A. Is that what you’re referring to? Or, that you believe I am a socialist, communist, Marxist, liberal, fascist alien? I’ve heard them all. Want me to display my birth certificate?
I am to presume that your type is perfectly content to call the president of the United States a Muslim, a Kenyan, and anything else your type considers despicable.
If you couldn’t deal out the race card, what other excuse would you use to defend the worst president in history? It figures that you think that he’s making the economy better too. Tell that to those that WANT to work and still can’t find a job.
No one here has defended the worst president in history. G.W. Bush.
When did “W” lose the title of being the worst president in the history of the United States?
What did he ever do? Look around you. Obama is still sweeping and trying to mop up the mess for the eight years that Bush, Cheney and co vandalized this country, robbed it of its youth and treasure leaving thousands without homes, and thousands crippled for life. He helped Wall Street and to his “credit” gave massive tax breaks to the top one percent and multi-million dollar – profiteering oil companies. The radical right’s supporters blindly believe that no taxes for the rich create jobs.The Koch-funded tea party, allied with Rupert Murdoch’s propaganda hate machine have been using race as a weapon against President Obama since he raised his hand. They stil l play the race card every day. It’s the radical right wing hammering away for three years about a birth certificate and hollering about him being born in Kenya. Race card? The radical right has been playing it 24/7 for the past three and a half years. Even flipper flapper Mitt has his doubts. However, that was yesterday. Today is another story. He is not quite sure about what he said yesterday.
I’m glad I am a Liberal, a frugal Democrat, too, and a proud supporter of President Obama.
Take off your rose colored glasses, watch something other than MSNBC, Keith Olbermann, Rachel and Ed and you might inform yourself accurately! This mess started in 2006, the year Nancy and Harry took over, GW let them because he is a nice guy and just wanted to get along and compromised the last two years. The last three years have seen a plundering of our treasury from future generations to liberal supporters and to buy votes from illegals, labor unions and non-working “entitled” people. I’m guessing that he has bought your support also….educate yourself by listening and reviewing both sides.
The greatest threat to our nation isn’t Barack Obama………….It’s that we have a people that will elect him!
BTW the current President is the worst ever!
It is never long into a debate when somebody starts up with the African-American BS. One of the most ineffective and despised and ridiculed presidents of the last century was Jimmy Carter. I didn’t know he was African-American… Better ask Al Sharpton of Jesse for a new Race Card, yours is getting all worn out.
“It is never long into a debate when somebody starts up with the African-American BS. ”
That would have been you, here :
jimlay 1 day ago in reply to watchdog
“ME It is very simple. People PERCEIVE that Obama is antigun and they hope that …….. This is in response to folks buying guns in the hope they can arm themselves before the restrictions cut in. Gun sales are WAY up. WAY up. All thanks to The One…”
Please, no one fooled.
Fascinating… So… that was a racist rant? Awesome, Dude. You may be the only one who saw that as a racist comment, but – what the heck – as long as YOU know what I REALLY said…
You are the only racist I see posting on here. Go spread your hate somewhere else.
Well, any except racism.
They are NOT racist and will be the very first say so.
Ask them and see.
The race card do not leave home without it
Obama received an F grade from the Brady Institute.
The Brady Institute is as relevant to this culture as the Flat Earth Society.
They are just vocal tools for both the international corporatists
(and please remember what El Dulce, Benito, said they really are)
AND the pretty minions of the “of the too liberal media” likeGlen, Anne and Rush. ( who are paid by whom? )
Read between the lines and pay attention to what is going on behind the scenes. Does Fast and Furious mean anything to you? There is a HUGE hidden agenda from this president who promised us, and I quote, “the most transparent administrationb ever.” Just one of the deceptions and lies perpetrated on our country.
You do understand that the Fast and Furious program began under President Bush’s administration don’t you?
Did Rachel tell you that? Sorry you both are sadly misinformed, don’t know what you are talking about or lying.
“Did Rachel tell you that?”
No sorry I don’t listen to Rachel.
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The first known ATF “gunwalking” operation to Mexican drug cartels,
named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late
2007. At the time, under the Bush DOJ, no arrests or indictments were made. After President Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009 and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers.
The second “gunwalking” effort, beginning in November 2009, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.
Altogether, 2,020 firearms were bought by straw purchasers during Fast and Furious including AK-47s, Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifles, .38 caliber revolvers and FN Five-Sevens pistols. As of October 20, 2011, 1,355 of these weapons remain on the streets and are unaccounted for.
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Do you have any additional information to share?
The economy has a made a turn for the best. We’re a long way off attaining anything close to the 40s, but things are moving.
So what in the name of thunder does carrying a concealed weapon have to do with the economy? Is a fluctuation in stock and the weather the fault of the president?
The fascist ideals of the republicans are what I’d be worried about – like putting women on gurneys and examining them under orders of the state before giving them the pill. Or, having corporations order employees to confess to management that they are taking the pill.
Brave New World – 1984. USA 2012. Full control of women and their bodily functions as ordered by the state.
“Is a fluctuation in stock and the weather the fault of the president?”Well according to many democrats the last President had the Haliburton Hurricane Machine. So I guess if you believe that, then yes the President does have the ability to impact stock and weather.
Oh stop! Nobody with any brains, not even a republican, ever said Bush was responsible for the hurricane. However his administration sure messed up the response didn’t they. As for Halliburton, that was Cheney and Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld privatized a lot of our military and Cheney just happened to have worked for company that could cover those privatized positions.
Funny, I hear it at least several times a week on Stephanie Miller or Ed Schultz radio shows on WZON.
Halliburton has had military long before Bush, Cheney or Rumsfled, in fact they had military contracts in Nam, when I was in Germany when Clinton was in office, Halliburton had the contracts in the Bulkins as well.
Thank you. Several folks repeat that BS incessantly.
You need to speak to your doctor, they have medication for conditions such as yours.
Yeah, but they only work if he takes them…
Pepto Bismo helps after reading your sour comments.
What are you taking for your own condition?
When a country is falling apart and in civil-unrest, weapons are the only thing that can save you and your family. When the people who can’t take care of themselves come after the people who can to take what they have, a hand gun will be your best friend. Weapons sales and the economy go hand in hand.
For example :
State rep charged with pointing gun at ‘innocent bystander’ | The …
http://www.pressherald.com/…/State-rep-threatens-to-shoot-innocent-bysta…23 May 2011 – WATERVILLE — A state representative from Garland was arrested this morning for allegedly pointing a handgun at a man at point-blank range ..
Are you smoking the rabbit do do on that trail you are on?
There is the level at which conservatives excel.
Your point?
The economy may be moving but here in this state its moving in the wrong direction
“This president is known as the firearms industries best gun salesman because… ”
of paranoid, but NOT RACIST, just ask them, wackos.
Good grief man it is really very simple.
LOL… it goes to show you the caliber of those requesting permits…
It does, and it’s kind of creepy.
“what the frigg does Obama have to do with Maine being slow in issuing
concealed weapons permits?”
If you can’t figure that out, you are a dam anti-God and America RINO, at the very least.
:-)
Best non answer to a question today.
Thank you, irrational crap naturally leads to that.
So don’t you think I captured the conservative extremist’s irrationale correctly ?
You seem very extreme to most!!
I will never again vote republican. Not since Gingrich and Boehner foisted the Contract with America on our political system and polarized our republic to the point of total dysfunction. I am what used to be called a centrist.
You were asked a fair question and were given the chance to display your ignorance. Thank you for taking the chance and making the most of it.
And you are a what?
This is typical of the hate that swept the country when Barack Obama was elected by the people of the United States as president.
This reaction stuns me, just like the daily deluge of smut and rubbish hurled his way as he attempts to lift the Bush baggage off the nation’s shoulders.
The increase is crime is due to his economic policies? How about drugs? Desperate people – the honest kind – will do anything to earn money, not take it. This is not the only recession we’ve triumphed over. For three years Mitch McConnell and John Boehner along with Eric Cantor have blocked bills aimed at reducing unemployment. At the same time the republicans -McConnell and Boehner – have threatened to block unemployment benefits unless tax cuts for major corporations including Big Oil are left intact.
The republicans only goal is to prevent the president from serving a second term. If – and I doubt i9t – they’re successful, you can either melt down your weapon or return it for a rebate.
You might be able to bulls eye a target, but like a lot of mislead republicans, you haven’t got a clue.
Seems that I recall the democrats “only goal” was to “prevent the president from serving a second term” back in 2004. Actually, I think the party not holding the Presidency always wants the President to be a “one term” President.
No, that was what the Republican leadership said the day after the 2010 election.
It explains their obstructionist Congress.
In 2004 who ran against President G.W. Bush on the Democrat ticket? Didn’t they wish to defeat the incumbent?
In 1996 who ran against President Clinton on the Republican ticket? Didn’t they wish to defeat the incumbent?
Understand the political rivalry and the fervent quest of one party to unseat the other. However, no other president has been subjected to such hate and vitriolic as President Barack Obama. Even though he is an American, he is scorned because he is an African American -Black. For almost three years, especially republicans in Congress disregarded their principle role as lawmakers and branded him as an alien. Having the president prove he was born within the USA was and still is, despite proof, their sole goal.
This drive spearheaded by the billionaire Koch tea party aided and abetted by Bachman, O’Connell, Boehner, Cantor, and the ruthless and Murdoch propaganda empire, is now in its fourth year. It has been a non-stop 24/7 blitz of hate never before heaped on a man elected to serve this country as president and commander in chief of its armed forces. Visitors are disgusted at the vileness. Countries shake their heads in disbelief – horrified.
Oh please…”no other president has been subjected to such hate and vitriolic as President Barack Obama.” Were you not around for the 8 years of President G.W. Bush.
I’ve noticed that Conservative policies begin to make sense if you view them as being
aimed at ruining the US economy, destroying the American middle class and both dumbing down, then shrinking the active American electorate.
Apply my premise to Briney’s points above, and see how the inexplicable suddenly comes into a stunningly logical and clear focus.
Granted, that my premise is the height of cynical, diversionary, partisan politics and actual class warfare, even while turning the usual overly emotional conservative usage of the term “class warfare” on its ear.
Don’t blame me for that.
I’m just standing and reporting my logical observations.
So never the less, if you value logic and rational thinking, in light of the evidence, based on the record of their performance, objectively, the only way to fault my premise is to properly suggest that it is, indeed, emotionally unappealing.
That America’s conservative leadership could be that cynical is shocking.
But if you reject stupidity as the best explanation, their anti-science, illogical, emotional, faith-based political rationales, and Doublespeak way of parsing the issues, all support the notion that my premise is the best logical explanation. It is simply the logical extension of the international corporate rush to the bottom, the concentration of wealth at the top and the marginalization of of the interests of the American work class.
It is a classical means of political control that is as old as feudalism.
What is really amazing to me is how the middle class and even more economically disadvantaged conservatives accept this irrationality and continue to vote not only
against their own best interests, but the Nation’s as well.
You are on a roll today! I’m not sure where you are going, as usual, but you are getting there fast! How long before you start asking me how many acrylics died so I could have the sweater I’m wearing…?
The nation elected a black president, and this PROVES we’re racist…? Better quit smoking whatever it is you’re smoking…
If you live in a town in Maine, those ‘revenuers’ are your neighbors and you are demented.
Good for you.My wife and I are partners and she is as good a shot as they come and would not hesitate to pull the trigger in order to protect whats hers .
What are you babbling about? Seriously, Obama has passed no new ant gun laws. He has not asked for any new ant gun laws. No proof of anti gun actions. Oh, I get it, you must have found out that a Hawaiian was elected president.
He wont pass any gun control or hint of any till he finds out if he is elected again{hopefully not} but if hes in again watch out hes got nothing to lose and favors to pay off.
Obama won’t be banning guns anytime soon, it would be extremely counter productive. Prohibitions have only proven one thing, if you make something illegal demand goes up along with crime. But instead of alcohol or drugs you have a huge influx of unregistered illegal guns on the market.
Europe can function with it’s gun ban because the people there are a different culture compared to America. Part of America’s culture is based on guns, it how we got our freedom. Europe has been blown apart with weapons of war during WWI and WWII which had huge impacts on their views on guns. We had war here in the US during speaking of the revolution and the civil war but the war never really hit the neighborhood like it did in Europe.
Guns represent freedom in America rather than war. Take that away and murder will go through the roof as America already has a huge problems with gang violence caused by the drug war. With a ban on guns demand will go up and foreign arms dealers will see a great opportunity to sell weapons to the US. Then before you can blink the streets will be full of AKs, machine guns, and other cheaply made weapons of war. Because these new guns are unregistered people can go around shooting others with little consequence as it will be impossible to trace back the rounds.
That being said, having a registered weapon is a good thing but having to wait 90 days is silly. If your a gang banger and a felon you shouldn’t own a gun. But then again that gang banger can go and buy an illegal unregistered gun and still cause havoc. The problem here is to solve the root cause of the violence which isn’t the gun but rather what the gangs depend on for income.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Double tap !!
the real story here should be how the obama administration is slowly stripping gun owner rights without anyone knowing. As we sit right now over 90% of Federal Firearms License applications are being denied for absolutly no reason. Just remember “To disarm the people is the most effective way to enslave them”
C’mon,
I am not an Obama fan, and have a CC so I’m not biased. But this administration has done nothing to hinder gun rights in the US. In fact gun rights are stronger now than when Pres Obama took office. DC handgun law was passed, Aussalt weapon ban was not reimplemented, and 12 states are currently working on legislation to eliminate the need for a CC altogether (like VT currently has).
The fear mongering has worked great for firearms sales, but the facts don’t back it up.
do the research man it’s true that the atf has been ordered to turn away ffl applicants and once you are denied you are black listed for life…. especially if you are a new applicant going for class 3 permits for nfa firearms goooooooood luck… and as for gun rights being stronger there have been some small victories but there has also been alot of attacks to gun owner rights that have been narrowly defeated… it’s a volitile time in america for gun owners… join the NRA get involved and protect your rights
I’d cancel a lot of applications, too. Reading most of the pro-gun talk here is enough to disqualify the writers of ownership. They’re a danger to themselves. Stick with potato guns.
Which one of your Constitutional rights would you like someone to take away based on “talk”?
Cory why not provide a link to your source rather than say “do the research”?
any of the many services that assist people in obtaining ffl’s have the info all posted…. google is a very easy website to use… try it out
Cory the deal is this. I am not the one making the claim, you are. I do not and will not do your research for you. You make the claim you provide the proof.
Obama has done so much to take away a person’s rights to strap on a sidearm or shoulder holster and strut down the street like John Wayne.
Nothing but fear mongering.
The republoicans are working on enslavement. Check ’em out.
The solution’s simple: the law is that if the state has no cause to deny a permit, one MUST be issued within thirty days. Whether or not the background check’s been completed is immaterial and the state’s problem, not the applicant’s. So after thirty days, the permit should issue; the background check can continue and the permit can be revoked if it turns something up.
It’s not as though the people who apply for CCWs are some kind of high-risk pool – but as the law is written, it wouldn’t matter if they were.
People should be required to take a test and pass a background check. Who knows who is getting a gun and what the real reason is. Couldn’t be I have to go to the supermarket for some flour?
Briney you do need to pass a background check. When you purchase ANY firearm the dealer is required by law to perform a background check. If the person wants a Concealed Carry permit they go through a second background check.
Maine is not a combat zone. Why do we need all these armaments? Fear? Of what? Background checks are not 100 percent accurate. Some of the massacres we’ve had were carried out by people who had passed such tests.
Never said Maine was a “combat zone”.
“Why do we need all these armaments? Fear? Of what?”
What “armaments” are you referring to? Shotguns, rifles, revolvers, pistols? I have at least one of each. Why? Because I can and that is the only reason I need. Do I “fear” someone or something? But like the Boy Scouts say “Be Prepared” and I guess you could say I am. The only fear that I am seeing are comments similar to yours. You fear law abiding citizens when you should be more concerned about the increase in home invasions, strong armed robberies. burglaries, etc…If you know a Sheriff or a Deputy Sheriff ask them what is going on in rural Maine.
You are correct when you say background checks are not 100%. Neither is taking a drivers test. If drivers test were 100% accurate for predicting future accidents we would have zero accidents and zero driving fatalities but that isn’t what happens now is it?
The only ‘reason’ you need to exercise a right is “I want to.”
Forget about all the leftist nonsense. Get a gun, and arm yourself. You’re going to need it.
For what? Some have said (above) they had to rush out and buy a gun when we elected President Barack Obama.
Spread the fear mongering.
“For some reason, we’ve been getting quite an unusual amount of applications” for the permits, he said.(Lt. David Bowler)
Not too difficult to figure out. Just read the newspaper or watch the news. People are afraid.
Know what y’ mean. After watching the fabulous four running for the presidency, I’d be scared, too.
We already got rid of three idiots(Cain,Bachmann,Perry)Three more to go.
Just like the old song goes – “Eight green bottles sitting on a wall…”
Think that is scary look at the mes sin the White House now. Maybe he can appologize again, for something.
you got that one right.
see link for full scare
Nichols says bombing was FBI op
Detailed confession filed in S.L. about Oklahoma City plot
By Geoffrey Fattah, Deseret News
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/660197443/Nichols-says-bombing-was-FBI-op.html
The only surviving convicted criminal in the April 19, 1995,
bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City is
saying his co-conspirator, Timothy McVeigh, told him he was taking
orders from a top FBI official in orchestrating the bombing.The only surviving convicted criminal in the April
19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma
City is saying his co-conspirator, Timothy McVeigh, told him he was
taking orders from a top FBI official in orchestrating the bombing.
A declaration from Terry Lynn Nichols, filed in U.S.
District Court in Salt Lake City, has proven to be one of the most
detailed confessions by Nichols to date about his involvement in the
bombing as well as the involvement of others.
The declaration was filed as part of Salt Lake City
attorney Jesse Trentadue’s pending wrongful death suit against the
government for the death of his brother in a federal corrections
facility in Oklahoma City. Trentadue claims his brother was killed
during an interrogation by FBI agents when agents mistook his brother
for a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.
The most shocking allegation in the 19-page signed
declaration is Nichols’ assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI
operation and that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was
taking instruction from former FBI official Larry Potts.
And you would expect Terry Nichols to say something different?
I recently received a copy of the new documentary film called A NOBLE LIE
It was sent to me by Chris Emory, one of the filmakers of A NOBLE LIE.
The documentary features a honor roll list of people who were interviewed
for the film.
They all are saying the same thing.
FBI agent Larry Potts and other FBI agents created the Oklahoma City bombing.
My suggestion is people wait until the next FBI False Flag operation before viewing.
Some of us are working to bring Mr Emory to Maine for a screening of his film.
Would you like him to come to Maine?
Some of the people who appear in the film include:
1. Horse rancher Hoppy Heidelberg-member of the Oklahoma City bombing Grand Jury
google hoppy heidelberg youtube
2. current Republican State Representative for Oklahoma City Charles Key who was also the State Representative when the Murragh Building wass blown up by
the FBI.
google charles key fbi youtube
3. Attorney Jesse Trentadue from Salt Lake City who recently won a million dollar lawsuit against the FBI for torturing his brother to death.
google kenny trentadue fbi autopsy photos
Attorney Trentadue is a former Marine
The FBI recently denied Trentadue permission to take a video deposition from Terry Nichols regarding Nichol’s allegations that Timothy McVeigh was taking orders from FBI agent Larry Potts
google nichols trentadue fbi video deposition
Michael Moore makes “documentaries” too. I rest my case. Drink deeply of the Kool-Aid.
I still say better to judged by 12 than carried by six
Oh, just give them their guns… and do the paperwork later… Or, give them a voucher… or raincheck… They need their guns NOW!!!!
Or, just crank them out like lawmakers crank our bills…
The second amendment is your conceal carry permit and making a felon out of motor vehicle speeding violations is just a way of nibbling away at that amendment.
30mph or higher over the limit IS a felony in Maine. I don’t have a problem with this, if you’re going THAT fast on most Maine roads you’re displaying enough of a lack of intelligence and are a danger to the public that you need to be locked up.
So “EVERY KID” who speeds 30 mph or more over the speed limit and gets caught doing it, should be considered a felon? Branded like a rapist, child molester, bank robber etc., etc. and never be allowed to carry or own a firearm?
Brilliant. I wish we were all perfect, everybody makes a mistake and to pay this price for going too fast once, is excessive, and “YOU” say they should be locked up………. you cannot be serious ???
I suppose you have gone only 29 mph over the speed limit and were smart enough to not get caught. Everybody should be so good, what a Guy.
Consider that an automobile is the most frequently used – and misused – deadly weapon. So yes, a “kid” speeding is in command of a multi-ton deadly weapon, being operated in an ignorant and unsafe manner. He can kill you, and your whole family, just as dead as either of those little jerks who shot up Columbine school. Who cares if he is “sorry” afterwards? Damned right the little twerp is acting feloniously.
In Maine, criminal speed is defined as exceeding the speed limit by 30 miles per hour or more. Criminal speed is a class E offense, punishable by a maximum fine of $1,000.00 and jail time of 6 months.
That is the best reason I’ve heard for enforcing that law.Find me a paper lately without either a motor vehicle or non criminal gun fatality in it if not both.
This extended waiting is complete BS!
Maine is a “SHALL ISSUE” state! Title 25, Part 5, Chapter 252, Para 2003,Sub-chapter 12 states: “The issuing authority, as defined in this chapter, shall issue or deny, and
reply in writing as to the reason for any denial, within 30 days of the
application date in the case of a resident of 5 or more years…”
Your rights have been violated if you do not receive an issued permit or a denial in writing within 30 days!
If you do not receive a denial letter, the town/city/police SHALL ISSUE THE PERMIT regardless of the state police backlog!!!!
Good luck with that.
As a Christian…Thou shalt not kill…and all of that …I am I guess anti gun…The danger of folks having guns is that they can end up getting shot by/with their own weapons.
The danger of folks having KNIVES is that they can end up getting STABBED by/with their own KNIFE.
The danger of folks having CARS is that they can end up getting RUN OVER by/with their own VEHICLE.
C’mon Rev…what kind of argument is that?
If the Ten Comandments says “Thou shalt not kill” and not “thou shalt not murder” then killing any plant or animal would be against Gods word.
I was once told that if the word is not always the truth then the word must either be misunderstood or not the truth.
Well Rev I would have thought that someone with your knowledge would know that the original translation was “You will not murder”. There is a difference.
The bible says “thou shalt not murder”, the difference being that murder is killing without just cause. Modern firearms don’t just go off on their own.
The same pertains to automobiles; are you against them too?
It is absolutely disgusting that the State Police advertises that they are not going to follow the law. The problem is that there are no repercussions for breaking the law.
Chill out Mr D
Our military controlled law enforcement system does not have to answer to
Maine voters and taxpayers. The Maine State police know how to deal with a perp like
you. Just ask the civilians in Afghanistan what happened to them last week.
Hey I hear your pain. Your tax dime funds this system making you the owner, eh? LOL
Imagine if we had a volunteer civilian review police board with subpoena powers?
OK OK I know you are going to say what about those mexicans who were buying all those guns
without waiting in that taxpayer funded law enforcement operation called FAST AND FURIOUS?
You gotta know up front that even if you were a US Senator you got no rights in our Military Industrial Complex Empire run society. kibish?
So suck it up and learn how to be a wimp like those moonbats Haskell and Cain down on the
Criminal Justice legislative committee in Augusta. They learned how to cower, so can you.
Any questions?
Oh Oh this just in from the Maine whisper stream.
Federal law enforcement tells US Senator Issa to shove it when he asks why law enforcement sold guns to mexicans drug cartels.
see link for full shove
http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-charlotte/chairman-issa-i-have-been-stonewalled-by-attorney-general-holder-and-doj
March 17, 2012
Chairman Issa – “I have been stonewalled by Attorney General Holder and DOJ”
I contacted some FBI field agents to ask for their cooperation in an
investigation of the Department of Justice – they laughed? One field
agent in Charlotte was honest enough to say he would in no way risk his
distinguished career doing an unauthorized investigation such as this –
Coward!
A lawyer in the Justice Department, who declined to be named in this
report suggested that an insider investigation into the DOJ’s IG office
is the most “ridiculous thing” he has ever heard of – even if it was to
find evidence of an alleged cover-up into the Fast and Furious
Operation. “There is protocol that needs to be followed in this case”,
he said.
“Short of federal agents storming the Department of Justice IG office
to seize the documents, you don’t stand a chance in getting them. I
don’t care if you’re a US Senator or not. It just will not happen”, says
Anthony Ortiz of Charlotte, N.C. a government legal affairs expert. “If
someone could get inside and photocopy or download the documents and
send them to Senator Grassley or Issa, but were talking access. I don’t
know of anyone who can do it.
Representative Cain doesn’t serve on the “Criminal Justice legislative committee”.
According to Maine House Democrats she has served on the following committees:
House Chair of the Joint Standing Committee on Appropriations and Financial Affairs.
Member of the Education and Cultural Affairs Committee.
Member of the Joint Rules Committee.
Chair of the 2006 Joint Select Committee on Research, Economic Development, and the Innovation Economy.
Chair of the 2007 Appropriations Subcommittee on School District Reorganization.
http://www.maine.gov/legis/housedems/ecain/
The 13 Techniques for Truth Supression
Strong,
credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a
government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense,
other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques
depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token
opposition party.1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “how dare you?” gambit.3.
Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If,
in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about
the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.”4. Knock down
straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspect of the weakest charges.
Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors and give
them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and
fanciful alike.5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy
theorist,” “nut,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and of course, “rumor
monger.” You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of
the people you have thus maligned.6. Impugn motives. Attempt to
marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really
interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political
agenda or are out to make money.7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”9.
Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or
“taking the limited hang-out route.” This way, you create the impression
of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless,
less-than-criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace
of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken.10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.11.
Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With
thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. For
example: We have a completely free press. If they know of evidence that
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) had prior knowledge
of the Oklahoma City bombing they would have reported it. They haven’t
reported it, so there was no prior knowledge by the BATF. Another
variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker
and a press that would report it.12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example: If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why?13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or reporting a distraction.
Do you dispute that Ms. Cain was never a member of the Criminal Justice committee as you stated?
ms seems to skirt the answers..LOL..
Yes ms does like to skirt the answers and she certainly has an aversion to the truth.
It took about 3 weeks for the Bangor PD to process my application back in 2010 but my CFP doesn’t expire until March 1, 2014
I am permitted, however, if I was not, I would still be locked and loaded, just not concealed! You can walk down town with a holster and a loaded weapon, all that is required is a hunting license. I would rather deal with a jury as opposed to the alternative.
“Mr. Bad Guy, can you come back later after my permit gets here so I can legally protect myself?” Not this child!
What you say is probably true but, why does a person that is not a hunter need a hunting licence? A person that does not drive does not need a driver’s licence. Besides that would probably be racist anyway.
I do not believe that a “hunting license” is required to open carry in Maine…..If someone is 18 years or older and not otherwise because of criminal record prohibited from having possession of a firearm, then said person can open carry a firearm legally…..
Should anyone enter or attempt to enter my house seeking something that does not belong to them and threaten my life in the process I can guarantee you that they will be dead in seconds. And I can also guarantee you my .45 will not be concealed. Consider yourself warned, publicly.
Sad day in the history of Maine when we must act like the metro area’s and resort to having a firearm handy. We are doing this to ourselves or should I say the liberal judges are doing it to us as bail and sentences are far to light. Crimes to people need extreme sentences ,loss of assets and pay back for the police work involved. Only then, will we reduce violent crime and feel somewhat safe.
Yo Rayman
You sound like an infomercial for the Maine Law Enforcement community
where crime is a “big business” and keeps unemployable people with PTSD
in a taxpayer funded workfare program.
I suspect when the big law enforcement roundup comes those with concealed
permits will be able to squeeze off a few rounds eh.?
You do remember the FBI led Palmer Raids of 1920?
for the uneducated and uneducable
those with concealed carry permits ignore the content
see link for full FBI penetration
http://www.chieftain.com/news/region/patriot-act-enforcement-stunning-senators-say/article_0eefea2c-6fed-11e1-b8a0-0019bb2963f4.html
Patriot Act enforcement ‘stunning,’ senators say
Colorado Sen. Mark Udall wants public to know how broadly law is interpreted.
Congress approved the Patriot Act in late 2001 to give the federal government broad power to investigate and thwart terror attacks.
Mark Udall
March 17, 2012 12:00 am
By PETE ROPER | proper@chieftain.com
Colorado Sen. Mark Udall and Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden have released a joint letter stating that Americans would be “stunned” to learn how the FBI and the Justice Department are using sections of the Patriot Act to broadly gather intelligence based on secret legal opinions.
Thursday’s letter was an unusual public step for the two Democrats who both serve on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Their letter is intended to push the Justice Department into revealing secret legal opinions that have been used in the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court to justify intelligence-gathering operations.
“We believe most Americans would be stunned to learn the details of how these secret court opinions have interpreted Section 215 of the Patriot Act,” the letter to Attorney General Eric Holder said. “As we see it, there is now a significant gap between what most Americans think the law allows and what the government secretly claims the law allows.”
Ah yes the Palmer Raids of 1919 and 1920 where the United States Department of Justice made attempts to arrest and deport radical leftists, especially anarchists, from the United States.
LOL Boo did I scare you? good enough reason for you to have a concealed permit?
see Maine artist Robert Shetterly’s portrait of Emma Goldman
http://americanswhotellthetruth.org/pgs/portraits/Emma_Goldman.php
A. Mitchell Palmer
claimed that Communist agents from Russia were planning to overthrow
the American government. On 7th November, 1919, the second anniversary
of the Russian Revolution, over 10,000 suspected communists and
anarchists were arrested. Palmer and Hoover found no evidence of a
proposed revolution but large number of these suspects were held without
trial for a long time. The vast majority were eventually released but Emma Goldman and 247 other people, were deported to Russia.
On 2nd January,
1920, another 6,000 were arrested and held without trial. These raids
took place in several cities and became known as the Palmer Raids. A. Mitchell Palmer and John Edgar Hoover found no evidence of a proposed revolution but large number of these suspects, many of them members of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW),
continued to be held without trial. When Palmer announced that the
communist revolution was likely to take place on 1st May, mass panic
took place. In New York, five elected Socialists were expelled from the
legislature.
When
the May revolution failed to materialize, attitudes towards Palmer
began to change and he was criticised for disregarding people’s basic
civil liberties. Some of his opponents claimed that Palmer had devised
this Red Scare to help him become the Democratic presidential candidate in 1920.
msfreeh, no you did not scare me. And the reasons for obtaining a concealed weapons permit are mine and mine alone.
In all your posts I don’t think I have every seen you post one positive comment about the United States. Do you find anything positive about our country?
You can still carry just can’t be concealed .A number of states last election cycle voted to no longer require permits to conceal carry hopefully this will be a national trend.
For those that will inevitably talk about how people are going to have to sleep with one eye open because of everyone threatening and getting into gunfights over trivial issues, as well as the rest of the “wild west” scenarios, let’s look at the places in America where things like that actually happen on a regular basis. Much more often than not, it’s in the inner city ghettos in states with the most restrictive gun laws. After all, a violent criminal who’s worried about breaking a gun law is like a car bomber getting worried over a parking ticket.
Five people shot dead and 12 wounded in Chicago just since last night! How can this be? Don’t they have very restrictive gun laws? Somebody must not have gotten the word… And, yes, the ghettos are dangerous. See this: http://www.thugreport.com/
I don’t really see the need for a concealed carry permit anyway ? In Maine you can carry a firearm in plain sight, as long as it isn’t loaded. Only takes a second to “lock and load” if need be. It’s also a strong deterrent to a thief to actually SEE the 9mm strapped to my waist.
the firearm does not need to be unloaded if you are open carrying.
Maine CWP Training Maine Revised Statutes §2002-A§2004
Title 25: INTERNAL SECURITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY
Part 5: PUBLIC SAFETY
Chapter 252: PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS
12. Permit for a resident of 5 or more years to be issued or denied
within 30 days; permit for a nonresident and resident of less than 5
years to be issued or denied within 60 days.
STATE POLICE
NOTICE: Notice to concealed handgun permit applicants: Due to the high
volume of applications the Weapons Division is receiving, it may take as
long as 90 days to receive your permit. http://www.maine.gov/dps/msp/licenses/weapons_permits.html
Not sure how a statement on a State Police web site absolves them from obeying the law?State Police: Licenses & Permits: Firearms Permits & Professional Licensing http://www.maine.gov
Just wondering…you would be OK with convicted felons obtaining a CWP to comply with the law?
Convicted felons are identified within 24 hours so that would never happen. The bottleneck is at the two psychiatric institutions.
So you would be OK if a person answered “no” to questions “s. Do you have a mental disorder that causes you to be potentially dangerous to yourself or others?” when the answer was really “Yes” in order to comply with the law?
FROM A LOCAL POLICE CHIEF- Hi Paul! Thanks for keeping me updated on activity related to CWP issues. I can say that the police can get a background response within an hour or less in most cases. The real hold up seems to come when we have to send a request to “at least two” mental health institutions to find out if the applicant has been involuntarily committed to their facility. This sometimes takes up to six weeks. Once we get a response from them, the permit is issued immediately. Dorothea Dix seems to take the longest to get a response. Personally, I think this requirement is ridiculous and does nothing to ensure the applicant is mentally stable. If you think about all the ways this doesn’t work you would agree. First of all, the person could be committed in any other institution other than the two that are contacted and still be an “qualified” applicant. This includes a person who may have recently moved to Maine from another state. And, I think it’s foolish that a person could “voluntarily” commit themselves an unlimited number of times for a wide range of mental health issues and still be considered a “qualified” applicant. If some of these issues were resolved I think some who question the process, myself included, would feel a lot more comfortable signing their name to the CWP. By the way, the applicants that come here with your CWP card give me a lot more confidence that they are qualified to carry than those that don’t. Keep up the good work!
Is that your opinion too? Personally as a CWP holder from two different states, I would prefer that we do not have people who are mentally unstable wandering around with a CWP.
Agreed.
You really believe a person with a disability should be denied a permit??? Complying is your forte
Questions “s. Do you have a mental disorder that causes you to be potentially dangerous to yourself or others?” can be found in the application for a concealed weapons permit.
Do I want a person wandering around the countryside that has a mental disorder that causes them to be potentially dangerous to themselves or others AND with the ability to legally carry a concealed weapon? No I would rather not.
Depends what they did. Rate the Crime Please…. We have so many laws here in Maine, that almost everyone could be concidered a criminal….
Easy. In Maine a Class A, B or C crime would fit the definition of a “felony” and a Class D and E crime would fit the definition of a misdemeanor.
I am a liberal. I support the right to carry. The right wing wants to cut government, fire state employees, and then complains about not getting their services quickly?
This is what you wanted to do, downsize government, reduce spending and services, you got it, deal with it.
You do realize they are cutting staff that take care of this paperwork, at the mental health facilities? Again, you got what you wanted, deal with it.
You would have to be pretty paranoid to feel the need to be “strapped” before you can go into a small town in Maine. Hey, whatever gets you through all those scary nights.
There are some crazy scary people here. From a liberal point of view those who scream for their gun rights, their constitutional rights, but at the same time would deny anyone the right to join a labor Union, marry who they want, or legalize weed can be scary.
The same can be said for those who will not support the second amendment, who think that giving up something they don’t care about is just fine for those who support rational people who want to have the right to carry. Having a gun does not mean you are going to use the gun.
This is a country of freedoms and it does worry me that the loudest voices against freedom are those who want to carry a gun. My Union, my weed, are not going to make you join a Union. You don’t have to be gay. You can choose to die screaming with Cancer and not smoke pot.
Why is it that the liberals will fight for your right to carry, to speak, to live your life as you see fit and you would try to deny others the same right?
I have a couple of rifles and I am a staunch supporter of the second amendment. The concealed weapons thing is mostly for the slightly paranoid among us. Most of the people I know who “pack heat” also believe in conspiracy theories and UFOs.
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No, not completely conspiracy theories. I am a proud liberal, I support Unions, Social Security and the Social safety net, along with taxing the rich instead of rewarding them with my tax money for being rich.
BUT, make no mistake, if the “Brady Bunch” had their way, they would follow Australia, pass a law to register all guns, and then confiscate all guns, EXCEPT, for their own and their body guards. England has gotten to the point where they regulate pellet guns as dangerous weapons.
No conspiracy theory either when ALEC is funding national and state laws here in Maine to take all power away from the employee, and give it all to the rich.
Defending freedom means the libs like me, and the tea party have to defend Freedom, and the common good, not the oil corporations and the Union busters.
The reason for number #2 is to protect yourself against a tyrannical Government… Watch the Movie V and the simalarities are right on… First the governement creates an enviroment in which they claim they must protect you from… In doing so a leader without elections is put in place. etc, etc, etc…. Don’t believe everything you read in the media folks…