CHICAGO — Less than a month old, Savannah Dannelley scrunches her tiny face into a scowl as a nurse gently squirts a dose of methadone into her mouth.
The infant is going through drug withdrawal and is being treated with the same narcotic prescribed for her mother to fight addiction to powerful prescription painkillers.
Disturbing new research says the number of U.S. babies born with signs of opiate drug withdrawal has tripled in a decade because of a surge in pregnant women’s use of legal and illegal narcotics, including Vicodin, OxyContin and heroin, researchers say. It is the first national study of the problem.
The number of newborns with withdrawal symptoms increased from a little more than 1 per 1,000 babies sent home from the hospital in 2000 to more than 3 per 1,000 in 2009, the study found. More than 13,000 U.S. infants were affected in 2009, the researchers estimated.
The newborns include babies such as Savannah, whose mother stopped abusing painkillers and switched to prescription methadone early in pregnancy, and those whose mothers still are abusing legal or illegal drugs.
Weaning infants from these drugs can take weeks or months and often requires a lengthy stay in intensive care units. Hospital charges for treating these newborns soared from $190 million to $720 million between 2000 and 2009, the study found.
The study was released online Monday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Savannah is hooked up to heart and oxygen monitors in an Oak Lawn, Ill., newborn intensive care unit. In a pink crib, she sleeps fitfully, sometimes cries all night, and has had diarrhea and trouble feeding — typical signs of withdrawal. Some affected babies also have breathing problems, low birth weights and seizures.
It nearly breaks her young mother’s heart.
“It’s really hard, every day, emotionally and physically,” said Aileen Dannelley, 25. “It’s really hard when your daughter is born addicted.”
Doctors say newborns aren’t really addicted — which connotes drug-seeking behavior that babies aren’t capable of — but their bodies are dependent on methadone or other opiates because of their mothers’ use during pregnancy. Small methadone doses to wean them off these drugs is safer than cutting them off altogether, which can cause dangerous seizures and even death, said Dr. Mark Brown, chief of pediatrics at Eastern Maine Medical Center.
Newborn drug withdrawal is rampant in Maine, Florida, West Virginia, parts of the Midwest and other sections of the country.
Dr. Stephen Patrick, the lead author of the study and a newborn specialist at the University of Michigan health system in Ann Arbor, called the problem a “public health epidemic” that demands attention from policymakers as well as from researchers to clarify what long-term problems these infants may face.
University of Maine scientist Marie Hayes said her research suggests some affected infants suffer developmental delays in early childhood, but whether those problems persist is uncertain.
It’s the 21st century version of what was known as the “crack baby” epidemic of the 1980s. Some experts say that epidemic was overblown and that infants born to mothers using crack cocaine face no serious long-term health problems.
Some think the current problem is being overblown, too.
Carl Hart, an assistant psychiatry professor at Columbia University and a substance abuse researcher at the New York Psychiatric Institute, noted that only a tiny portion of the estimated 4 million U.S. infants born each year are affected.
Hart also said the study probably includes women who weren’t abusing drugs during pregnancy but were taking prescribed painkillers for legitimate reasons. He said he worries that the study will unfairly stigmatize pregnant women who are “doing the right thing” by taking methadone to fight their addiction.
Doctors pushing powerful painkillers “like candy” contribute to the problem, said Arturo Valdez, who runs the Chicago substance abuse program that Aileen Dannelley attends. Patients at his West Side clinic include men and women who are prescribed opiate painkillers for legitimate reasons, such as car accident injuries, and find themselves addicted when the prescriptions run out. Some turn to street drugs, which can be cheaper and easier to obtain, Valdez said.
In some states, mothers of newborns with drug withdrawal are arrested and jailed, but Valdez said addiction is a brain disease that should be treated like other illnesses, not stigmatized.
Aileen Dannelley said she started abusing drugs after an adult neighbor introduced her to crack when she was 14. She said she would “never have touched it” if she had known how addictive drugs can be.
She said she has abused Vicodin, which a doctor gave her to treat back pain from sitting all day at an office job, as well as other prescription painkillers and heroin.
Dannelley still was abusing drugs early in her first pregnancy but decided in December to quit, vowing: “I’m not going to go back to that lifestyle. There’s a baby inside me.”
Now she is trying to get her life back on track. Estranged from her husband, she is living with her parents and just signed up for nursing classes at a local junior college. She visits Savannah every day. The baby has been in the hospital since she was born in early April, and her mother hopes to take her home soon.
“I am doing so good for the first time in my life,” Dannelley said.



I have mixed feelings about this. I find it good that the mothers of these babies are getting methadone and the treatment to become drug free so they can raise their children, a/k/a doing the right thing. Unfortunately, the life that leads to drug abuse in the first place generally is not an ideal situation in which to raise a child. I would like to be wrong in my thinking that these babies will likely not have a fantastic life.
On the other hand, I can’t help but think “get real! Why the heck should we feel bad for you…YOU got yourself INTO this situation to begin with!” when you hear words from a drug-addict mother stating ” ‘It’s really hard, every day, emotionally and physically,” said Aileen Dannelley, 25. “It’s really hard when your daughter is born addicted.”
Methadone treatment is nothing more than replacing one drug for another.
On medicare’s dime.
You’re absolutely right, but it seems that is likely the only possible way for one to get off the “other” drug is to wean themselves off of the methadone, although I wish there were more a success rate. From what I understand, and I’m no expert, not many people truly make a full recovery into living a drug-free life. All the more reason to fear for these poor babies.
She got into drugs at age 14. Very likely, someone older got her started. Fourteen-year-olds make some stupid mistakes. Their frontal lobes are still undeveloped. Starting drugs at age 14 is not the same as starting at 21 or older.
Talk to any nurse in the pediatric department of EMMC and
ask how many drug dependent babies there are at any given time there, it would
amaze you. Very sad.
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If I post my TRUE feelings on this BDN would NEVER let me post again…. :-(
Lot of articles like that on the BDN. I rarely post any comments, doesn’t really make a difference, kinda like voting in the polls.
Knowledge of addiction in this state is just pathetic and, per usual, narrow-mindedness rules the day on here!
Please……..grace us with you extensive knowledge.
I knew sooner or later my point would be proven!
I can play this game too. I’m right and you are wrong, no facts needed.
And yet another one bites. Sometimes this is just too easy :)
Will you people STOP!? Grow up!
My opening statement stands on its own merit. There are few on here who see addiction as a “gray matter” subject. Instead, it’s either black or white, but, take it from someone who works in the field and has 2+ decades of remission. Yes, I said remission, because addiction is a disease, not a character flaw or a choice. Addiction is not pretty, it’s not a switch that can be turned on and off like someone would who is using the bathroom. It is what it is.
For some, addiction IS a choice. Some people who start out taking drugs because of peer pressure or just to experiment, later become full blown addicts. They were not prescribed to them, but offered to them and they CHOSE to do them. I have a son who CHOSE to try drugs. Thank God he also CHOSE to kick the habit and has been drug free for 2 years……with no help from “the clinics.”
Congratulations to him, and he’s the exception, not the rule. BTW, don’t be surprised if at some point he has a relapse, but I’m sure that will be his choice, not the disease talking or anything like that.
Oh, I know he’s the exception. I did the tough love thing with him and that was hard. But I was there for him to talk to, he just wasn’t allowed to live in my house. He did a stint in jail, not for drugs, but for other stuff that I’m not going to get into. That’s when he started to realize he was heading down the wrong path. When he got out, he moved and got new friends that are not involved in drugs. And that thought of relapse is always at the back of my mind…….
Your son was smart. The only way to really kick the habit, is to say goodbye to all your old friends. Why, because they are usually all users. His move has contributed greatly to his “kicking the habit.” It is almost impossible for anyone to stay clean after being detoxed if they go back into the same world, the one where drugs were the center of his culture and friends. I assume you know it is impossible for him to come back to his hometown, except for very, very, short visits.
Good for him!
We both know he can never come back here to live. He doesn’t want to anyway. He comes to visit for a couple of days and then he’s ready to go back to his home. When people look at him and tell him he looks great, that boosts his self esteem so much that you can tell he’s proud of himself for getting off drugs. And I’m proud of him, too, and I tell him that quite often.
Addiction isn’t a choice…the act leading to the addiction is the choice. However, I don’t believe people take that first step thinking that they want to create an addiction. People need to be a little more empathetic of others situations as you never really know what has brought someone to this point in their life. Sadly, this could happen to anyone, so everyone should be careful with the stones they’re throwing…some day you could be on the other side.
So…. you ,too, profit from this system, no?
I was an alcoholic. I was drinking at least a fifth of wine and hard liquor a day for several years. One day something happened in my life that gave me a real reason to quit. I did quit, cold turkey, suffered the TEMPORARY consequences, and never looked back. It’s been 30 + years.
The approach that you support, and apparently make a living from, (can we say you have a financial incentive on the present system being continued), does nothing but enable the problem to continue. Addicts and masters at manipulating people treating them.
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From your statement I am led to believe you are another bleeding heart, compassionate, caring individual. Addiction and addictive behavior is not the addicts fault and they must be coddled.
Looking around at the real world I would have to say your approach has failed and the problem is getting worse rather than better. Nothing like making the problem worse by enabling the addicts.
It says that she decided early in her pregnancy that she would stop using these drugs. Then it says she decided in December to stop. It also says the baby was born at the beginning of April. So that means if they baby was full term at birth, then she was four months pregnant when she decided to stop the drugs. That is NOT early. I could understand better if she had worked with doctors to stop using as soon as she knew she was pregnant. I don’t think that’s what went down though, by the sounds of it.
I think I understood that to mean her FIRST pregnancy.
Then why is THIS baby going thru withdrawal?
I really don’t understand WHY the Taxpayers have to subsidise Methadone treatment.
Make those on drugs cleanup cold turkey, because they will only stop “IF” they really want to.
I know several people that have gone through the treatments only to go back too drugs after awhile. maybe if they had to suffer the withdrawals maybe they would think twice before doing it again.
I know this sounds cruel, but I was brought up that your responsible for your own actions.
On the flip side, if you have ever experienced the hell of withdrawal you will do ANYTHING to keep from going through it again…… anything as in lie, cheat, steal, rob, etc. This is why we see so many robberies and drug stores being held up at gun point. The answer is NOT to force people to go cold turkey it is through methadone or subaxone and long term therapy, counseling, and other support. How about people who have high blood pressure because they are obese…..do you suggest we stop giving them blood pressure medicine “cold turkey” and see what happens? They brought the condition on themselves and knew what would happen. Your reasoning is flawed, if you can even call it reasoning. People like you need to get informed and educated.
Not all people with high blood pressure brought the condition on themselves. High blood pressure can be caused by different things…..obesity is one, and not all obesity is caused by eating too much, like some people think. Blood pressure medication is not an addictive narcotic. Alot of drug addicts condition is self inflicted…….I said ALOT, not ALL.
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Notice I said ALOT, not ALL. So, therefore, I DIDN’T say, everyone who develops a drug dependency brought it on themselves. And I also didn’t say to stop BP medication. I think you may have misunderstood my post.
be that as it may, you can still taper off your drug use, and your doctor can lessen you dosage with improvements in your health.. take care of yourself cause I’m tired of paying your medical bills..
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Those with drug dependencies made the CHOICE to take the drug in the first place. Just because it is prescribed, it doesn’t mean one has to take it.
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Just because it is prescribed, doesn’t mean one has to ABUSE it. That’s just my opinion….it’s ok to have one, right? (That’s not intended for you asportsfan…..just someone who seems to be stalking me and calling my opinions wrong).
So you consider children in elementary and middle school as responsible to make these decisions? The majority of the people with drug addictions that I have known were turned on at a young age.
More than 1/2 of the people you know with drug addictions were using oxycodones, heroin, bath salts, etc. in primary school? Hmm…. You must have gone to a very different school than I did- and a very different one than the school I am associated with now.
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Apparently your attention during reading class was elsewhere. I said that the majority of the people with drug addictions that I have known were turned on at a young age. That in no way implies that the majority of school children are drug addicts.
When I went to school, I never met anyone who was turned on to drugs, except for a few that liked beer. Alcohol is a drug. I have been out of school for over 50 years though. The people I refered to who were and are addicted came through the corrections facility that I worked in. Plus a few relatives and friends.
I haven’t experienced the hell of withdrawals because I do my best to obey the law and ya know pay my taxes so other people who choose to screw up their lives with drugs and have addicted babies can get free medical care while I pay $300 for a well child check and bloodwork for my daughter.
FYI- It has nothing to do with law when it comes to WDS. I was in a sever accident and fed heavy medications for a problem doctors couldn’t figure out. Once it was figured out I didn’t need the meds, but my body did. If you are 20, 40 or 80, you take a narcotic the way you are supposed to at the same time every day for ohhhh lets say 2 months and decide to just stop, welcome to the nightmare of WDS. It’s not JUST a matter of abusing the substance or choosing to screw up your life. I did’t CHOOSE to screw up my life, it happened. Granted my life is still pretty good and i stayed on the right track of maintaining a full time job, paying my mortgage and still having a good time… The ones who get screwed up are the ones who lose everything they have for the drugs..
Oh- also, i pay cash for all my treatment, all appointments etc. I don’t qualify for welfare…. nor need to.
I must take exception to the law breaker statement made by the person before you as i to had a dealer that wore a white coat. I had never taken a narcotic and was 49 years old and worked two jobs when i had my surguries.I took what he prescribed, yes i should have read the warning label but i trusted my dr. he is the one with all the education. No laws broken but i wonder about the morals.
Exactly. I knew better from the get go but didn’t want to live with the fear of a sudden pain attack and the risk of blacking out from the pain, which had happened many times over the 3 years I dealt with the pain. I jumped at the chance to be free of pain and “normal” again. Boy was I wrong. It’s worse than living with the pain. I’d cry myself to sleep at night with my 3 middle fingers pressed deep into my hip/abdominal area- juat inside where your hip bone sticks out. Had surgeries, invasive procedures, seizures from diabetic medications I was given for a dx of PCOS- based on just my high insulin level and the fact that I was slightly overweight. 190lbs size 12- now I’m 130lbs size 2, a year after starting medications for the pain. Starting with 300-600mg of Demerol a day to 4 15s a day. The demerol made my mouth so dry I couldn’t eat anything- only drink water which didn’t help the problem any. After about 4months I was switched to 15s and that’s when it all went downhill. They didn’t even get rid of the pain at the dose I was rxd. So that’s where the abuse started. I’d take extra here and there when needed thinking I’d be fine – nope- your tolerance grows until you’re taking 6 30s a day. At $40 a pill. That gets old fast.
like said before, pay the consequences.. you make a mistake, you take the consequences, be they good, bad, or indifferent. BE AN ADULT!! take charge of your life and stop hiding behind a needle, or pill!! stop the whiney a$s excuses and help yourself!! stop waiting for others to help you…
Your reasoning is flawed people who become obese and develop high blood pressure become obese by use of a legal “drug”, food, and using it in a legal manner, your analogy is flawed, nice try though
Cold turkey is what you get when you go to jail. There are many who have gone through withdrawal many times when they get arrested.
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I was totally unaware that cold turkey withdrawal from methadone or opiates could cause death…in fact I do not believe it can…now, you may feel like you are going to die, and probably will pray to die, but you will not die. to my knowledge, alcohol is the only drug where death can occur in cold turkey scenarios.
But there aren’t any clinics for the alcoholic to go to, to get a fix, so they can “wean themselves off alcohol.” Both drug addicts and alcoholics have addiction problems, but the druggie gets catered to!
that is not true! alcoholics are treated, but luckily for them there medications can be given by any dr…to receive the drugs like methadone a dr needs to maintain a special license and can only treat up to 30 patients…not exactly sure on the number 30 but i know its in that ball park. and alcoholics are treated with several meds and they are not at any rate held as accountable as someone who is addicted to a pain med..I know this because I have 2..YES 2 relatives who are addicts..one to each alcohol and pain meds..The alcoholic takes his meds when he runs outta money for boos, and the other has to pee in a cup so once a week.
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But the clinics for alcoholics are not on every street corner. It just seems that the drug addict is being catered to, at tax payers expense and there seems to be no improvement. It has spiraled out of control and the government is doing nothing to gain any control over it. Most of us work hard for the money we earn, just to have some of it go to these programs where there is little or no improvement. Alot of people have a hard time just making ends meet and the programs to help the drug addict seems to be endless……..welfare, heat assistance, food stamps, paying mileage to go to the clinic, paying for their dosage, low income housing. At the DHHS office, there is a pamphlet stating that if you have a drug problem, admit yourself to a place like Acadia, then you will be eligible for SSI……and your kids, too. Alot of them do that, but keep taking illegal drugs, using the drug cleaning kits, then going for their dosage every day. It’s a very viscious cycle that will never be fixed!
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I am totally for replacement therapy! I live in aroostook county and the pain medication abuse is everywhere…It comes from over prescribing, elders selling there medication because they need money, and so on. I do on the other hand think that these clinics need to wean these pregnant women down when they are pregnant..not completely, but a DRASTICALLY LOWER DOSE!..I can see some exceptions like…”im 6 months pregnant and just now realizing I AM pregant” (and that this person really cant be weaned)…(this actually happened) but, a pregnant women who is on either meth or subutex should be seen every week to make sure they are 1. not using, and 2. to be tapered until they are down to 1 mg or 1/2 a mg. ..alot of people on here blast off and say THIS IS WRONG!!!!! Well alot of things are….but you either have complete lack of knowledge about addiction or you have not really seen an addict. It is a sad thing. Why dont you find stats on people who quit cold turkey!! its not very high. This is similar to an articleI read a few weeks ago…comments are about the same too! that man who was dieing and denied Health Care…and that YOU……the mighty tax payer did not care if this man died!!!!! I think I recognize a few USER NAMES!!!too…
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and no them drug cleaning kits dont work!! just to let you know! the only possible way to pass a test when u are dirty is to get someone else to pee in a cup for you that has clean urine! i hear about this all the time…i do of course live in a small town w/a soboxone clinic (caribou maine) and I have heard just about every thing….The reason they do not work is because they now test for the chemicals in the cleaning kits …not sure what it is they test for, but they can tell!!!!!! and have been able to for a long time. it really is not that easy to play around at these places..they are held very accountable..the one here in caribou gives you a total of 3 dirty urine’s and then your out! more should do the same.
ONE dirty test!…….this isn’t a ball game with 3 strikes, you’re out!
Please provide a link supporting your statement that going cold turkey can cause death and if it even happens, numbers on what percentage of addicts going cold turkey actually do die.
As for going into convulsions. Tough luck. Time to pay the price.
Strangely it does happen with some meds but not opiates. Opiates will just make one feel like they want to die, I dont do drugs but have seen a family member stop cold turkey. We basically locked him in a room for 3 days and provided food, advil, and a hot shower. He’s clean now, for now.
Anyway, heavy benzodiazapines use with sudden stop is not suggested as it can have many serious side effects including death.
I am not an expert in alcohol but from what I understand stopping that cold turkey after years of heavy, heavy abuse can lead to death under the perfect conditions.
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The discussion was centered around opiate addiction. I will acknowledge that some other drugs can cause death if the addict goes “cold turkey”. Even then, tapering off can be done in a matter of days for most drugs. And yes, the addict will go through severe withdrawal.
Too bad.
By the way, when someone gives me a link to support their “facts” I go and look at it. Then I often end up coming back and pointing out that (1) the link isn’t any good, (2) The information presented doesn’t support their thesis, (3) They have grossly exaggerated the facts, (4) Or the information is questionable or only an opinion with no supporting evidence.
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Decent links. Thank you for them.
Several things I did notice. There were NO statistics or numbers indicating just how much of a problem actual risk of death really is. For most drugs the actual risk is small unless the addiction is long term and they are taking very high doses. In other words, the actual risk of death or serious medical consequences in any particular individual is predictable. That means that most people do not need major medical intervention and monitoring.
And I know several people who have become addicted to pain medication. A couple actually stopped on their own when it was pointed out to them that the symptoms they were feeling was not the pain they were taking the medication for, but was actually withdrawal after long term use. To be honest, both of these were not heavy users, but were taking legally prescribed pain killers. The addiction was in the early stages and was still mild. But both had reached the point where they needed increased amounts of medication to achieve the same level of pain control and found themselves running out of the pain medication before they could get a refill. That was when the “symptoms” appeared.
Also, methadone appears to be one of the worst drugs to get off of and with some of the most serious risks.
So just WHO were the people who decided that methadone treatment is a good idea?
Alcohol is the worst and most dangerous to withdraw from. Methadone users take quite a while and it isn’t pleasant, I’ve never heard of a methadone user dieing from withdrawal.
I was basing my post on the information in the links supplied by morgonen. Personally, I agree with you on this. I think most of the rhetoric about the dangers of death and severe medical consequences from withdrawal from opiates is pure hyperbole. But it does give the whole industry associated with detox and maintainance, etc, justification for existing and receiving public funding. Even her links gave no statistics or numbers and only said withdrawal could possibly cause convulsions or death.
Sounds to me like these severe consequences are actually pretty rare.
Tapering is one method. There are medications out there that will help with the withdrawal symptoms. Some jails in this state will not give inmates methadone or opiate pain relievers. They give them what is called a protacall combination of meds, depending on what the inmate is addicted to there are different combinations for alcohol, opiates or methadone. To my knowlege, nobody has died withdrawing from these addictions while on a protocol. In fact in the facility I worked at no one died.
So, there is an alternative to methadone and Suboxone. Too bad this can’t be tried beyond the walls of the jails and prisons.
There are programs out there that help people and there are doctors that are aware of the medications that help people get through the withdrawal symptoms. The people who are addicted have to want to quit more than anything else in the world. For some this will be a life long struggle to suppress their addiction. I can only relate to tobacco withdrawal. It’s been 17 years and every once in a while that I have a flash where I want a cigarette.
There are people working on solutions to the problems. They are studying and working on what happens to the brain as a result of addiction. Hopefully they will someday find a way to restore the parts of the brain that are destroyed from the results of their addictions.
Thank you for the info. It’s just really frustrating when people know, that as a whole, the methadone and suboxone programs aren’t really working……….but the government keeps feeding more and more money into it and taking it away from other health programs. There are people out there with real bad health issues and no health insurance coverage….because they’ve been dropped from the government program. They should start trying these other methods of weaning people and start doing away with what doesn’t work.
If a person is taking an antibiotic or depression meds, for example, if they don’t work, the doctor changes the script. Should be the same for methadone and suboxone…..if it doesn’t work, change it!
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I did not know we were talking about benzo’s, yes a lot of dr’s prescribe them together and those are the people who die the most. But again it comes down to the prescriber and sadly there are those who only care about the paycheck. This is why i said my dealer wore a white coat. Here in maine believe it or not the medical community police them self better than other states. If you mix benzo’s with oxycodone and alcohol you may die, i have seen this personally.
But the clinics don’t taper off the dosage of methadone……..they INCREASE it. Where is the weaning off in that?
The problem with that is if you let them seize, you may end up having to pay for a vegetable for 30 years in an advanced care facility. Extremely high blood pressure usually comes with seizures, and if the seizure doesn’t get them, then a stroke will. I have seen the result of opiate withdrawal when I worked rescue. It is very similar to the alcoholics DT’s that have a high mortality rate if untreated. Alcohol and drug withdrawal should be monitored carefully by a physician.
I do agree that methadone treatment should not go more than 6 months. After that, confine them in a medical hospital. That way the treatment can be controlled.
Actually the most dangerous withdrawal is from alcohol. There are medications that can be given to counter the most severe symptoms of withdrawal. They aren’t perfect but they will help with the nausea etc.
I must respectfully disagree as the IOP that i successfuly completed told us that the only drug you can die from while detoxing is alcohol, they said you may feel as if you will die but you won’t.
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Trust me… They have suffered the withdrawals. Time and time again, before ever starting treatment. When you run out of drugs and there are no more for a day or 2 and you are in full blown withdrawal in less than 12 hours, you want to kill yourself. Again, trust me on that… I got sick of being sick, sick of the EXCRUCIATING leg pain, the inability to sleep because of said leg pain. The stabbing stomach cramps… I would describe it easily as the WORST feeling you could ever imagine.
The worst flu you ever have had times ten. Right!!!
Oh at least!! I got lucky and didn’t have the runs and vomiting. But I went through it many times until I found something to get me through. And yup, that is the illegal part. Buying drugs off the street- sadly, working with drug addicts starting suboxone at the office I worked at and just medical background, I knew better than to touch anything at all but the pain was debilitating. A chiropractor fixed it about 2 months ago. A freakin’ chiropractor!!! My pelvis was separated and pushing on a nerve (from the accident in ’07). He put it back and it’s only flared up maybe twice since. It’s like being a new person! I started suboxone January 12th after being at st joes that Saturday, after I told my parents and was in wds so bad all I could do was cry, shake, shiver, sweat and keep kicking my legs around. I highly recommend Higher Ground in brewer to anyone looking for help. Bill Osgood is a great substance abuse counselor! I called and left him a message from the er that Saturday night and he saw me that tuesday and got me the help I needed. Hoping to be off it soon. My ex husband was on it almost 8 years- was one of the very first people to try it for heroin addiction. The sad part of it all- I lost the 1st half of my 20s to addiction and I’ll never get those years back. I can try but it won’t be the same…
The taxpayers don’t subsidize the program……politician do…..at the taxpayers expense.
“Aileen Dannelley said she started abusing drugs after an adult neighbor
introduced her to crack when she was 14. She said she would “never have
touched it” if she had known how addictive drugs can be.”
Where were you living as a child…under a rock? You didn’t know drugs were addictive??
Also, good luck finding a job in nursing. Now that your name is plastered all over the newspapers regarding drug abuse, no HR director will ever hire you. HR directors do extensive background checks via the internet to see what they can “dig” up. They will find this article, and you won’t get the job. Sorry, but you should have thought about that before doing drugs.
And YOU were perfect as a 14-year-old? You were immune to whatever cool-seeming adult authority figures advised you to do?
Or were you just lucky enough to be born into a decent home, a decent neighborhood, and to have any stupid mistakes you made NOT turn out to lead to addiction?
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they are not allowed to discriminate against anyone undergoing methadone treatment therapy (i laugh at the name of it)…they are federally protected under the disabilities act! in fact you have NO RIGHT TO KNOW if your nurse is using methadone. all cards stacked in their favor AND medicaid pays for it. disgusting.
But police officers CAN be refused employment under the ADA. Not sure how this is any different in that both professions have ample access to prescription drugs with potential for abuse.
My understanding is that each board of nursing in whatever state they’re applying can make case-by-case acceptions, but I personally don’t think that a former drug user should be given a job where they have easy access to drugs, just as a person with a history of nacolepsy wouldn’t be offered a delivery driver position.
She says it’s so heartbreaking..here’s a thought……….don’t. Do. Drugs!!! Whoa!
And if you must do drugs, get yourself fixed first!
Ok, so, the baby will be weaned off the methadone within months. My question is: Why do people who are going to the clinics, get methadone FOR YEARS?!?! They are supposed to be weaned off, too. I don’t think there should be methadone clinics. But since there is, there should be a time limit of weeks or months (of LESS than a year) and they can only get on the program ONCE in a lifetime. And all methadone clinics should be tied into one national data base, so they can’t drift from one clinic to another.
What is really sad, is that the clinics tell clients that it is a 2 year program. Then, when 2 years is up, they terrify the client into getting off it – telling them they aren’t ready, they’ll relapse, they could have a heart attack, etc… Methadone clinics are a most facility’s cash cows, they don’t want people weaned off.
make it a part of the conditions of operation, “you set up shopt here, you follow our rules” rule #1 there is a time limit. you will be stepped down over a 1 year period. doses will be decreased, and will be done daily/ weekly on a strict basis.. no excuses, no “bad day” doses. you miss a dose, you are off the program… PERIOD!! harsh reality, needs harsh rules…
Miss a dose?! Are you serious?? These people don’t MISS A DOSE! Some are allowed to bring their dosages home with them!
@older, what are you basing that statement on? That’s just another example of your lack of knowledge about the issue that you for some reason apparently feel qualified to comment on. You clearly have no idea about any of it.
I am basing my statement on the people who go to the clinic EVERY DAY! I work near a clinic and I see the same people go in and out every day. As far as the “take homes”, I know 3 people who were allowed to do it. One had theirs stolen and the other two were selling it…….and got arrested for it!!
And I have just as much right to comment on any issue as anyone else. And it’s quite apparent that others agree with me, also. You don’t have to, and you don’t need to keep jumping down my throat about it. Go stalk someone else!
I know someone who has been on meth for 12 years. This person brings it home. The is certainly abuse, no matter how you would like to twist it.
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It is a replacement for another drug. Methadone is just a legal drug. They have no plan to ever help these people get off drugs.
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yes, but you are prolonging the need for the drug. I agree that you should’nt go “cold turkey” I would like to think we could do that, but body chemistry is a touchy thing.. sadly though most methadone clinic patients have no intentions of quitting their habit, they are just looking for the next “fix” and they will lie, cheat, steal to get it any way they can. and i can assure you as soon as they withdraw that needle, their only concern is where the next fix comes from. Definitly not about what their child gets for dinner, or helping with their homework, or making sure the bills are paid. believe me I see this crap every day at work. cheeking meds, so they can crush and snort them later. or better yet, steal a hypodermic, or insulin needle, and cook up their own shots.. seen it done dozens of tims in my 4 years there..
Yes they do. Then a great deal of them sell whatever amount they can force themselves to part with and thats the reason we have had so many die from methadone they should not have . Just look at the history here in maine over the last ten years.
The difference between the baby and the adult is that the baby is not addicted, just dependent, while the adults are both. Addiction is not about not being able to get off the drug. Like you said, that could be done in a few months. The issue with addiction is that the symptoms leads to relapse and methadone prevents relapse. It’s not meant as a means to wean anyone off a substance. It’s meant to stop drug abuse, keep someone free from drug abuse and live a normal life.
Forcing methadone patients to get off methadone after a certain period of time would undo all the progress the patient has made and likely cause him to relapse before long. Actually people who are forced to do the things you suggest relapse 90% of the time. In the 80’s and 90’s time limits were actually common and it was a huge failure. The reason things are done the way they are now is because experience has taught us it’s what works best. It’s determined by people who have experience and knowledge in treatment of opiate addiction, something that you clearly don’t have so you are NOT qualified to have an opinion on how addiction should be treated. You don’t even understand what addiction is.
I’m not QUALIFIED to have an OPINION? ANYONE can have an opinion and you cannot tell someone they can’t. And if what you say is true, how come this information isn’t put out there as often as drug abuse issues are? You can talk to anyone, anywhere and they pretty much have the same “opinion” I do!
Anyone can have an opinion, but you don’t have to agree with it.
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Exactly! I am, according to Zitake, not qualified to have one. :P
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I KNOW the difference between a fact and opinion.
Sometimes opinions can be proven wrong with the facts!
All personal “opinions” are based on what the opinionated individual experiences through their five senses.
I know, from working with them, that some babies ARE addicted. I know through experience that babies are ‘weaned” off this drug because they can’t retaliate against the reduced dosages.
I have seen methadone used inappropriately. I have seen children get their parents methadone doses and ingest them. I have attended funerals for some of these children.
I feel that methadone should not be provided at taxpayer expense.
I know through education and experience that methadone is not a cure for addiction.
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It’s not that you don’t have a rite to your opinion , but you should at least become informed on the subject before you criticise something or someone. I got addicted to pain killers after three major surgeries almost eleven years ago. I did not want to spend the rest of my life chemicaly dependent. So i sought out help and ended up at a clinic.That was the mistake of my life . I ended up addicted to methadone and that was worse than oxycodone, also i must say that a good portion of the others at the clinic were in the same boat. What i learned was that most people who start methadone treatment do so for the rest of thier lives and thats the truth. I thank god i found a dr. who had a better plan he put me on suboxone and within 45 days and six months of counciling i have my life back . It works if you work it but you got to work it , i know because i have no thoughts of useing any narcotics ever again. They are a double edge sword and sometimes the dealer wears a white coat.
Not the first time I’ve heard this. Was just talking about a friend’s family member who was put on methadone for an oxycodone addiction and wishes he was back addicted to oxycodone. So many years later and no closer to getting off.
The problem is there is a limit as to how many Suboxone patients a Dr can treat and this is AFTER they’ve jumped through hoops with rules and training and certifications. 30 patient…that’s it. 30 patients each. With approx. 1500 methadone receivers in Maine alone, that’s 500 physicians needed, and our state has less that than 250. Makes no sense they make it difficult for physicians to obtain permission to prescribe.
You sound like a salesman for Discovery House.
I have two grandchildren that have gone through addiction and recovery. I worked for 8 years in a jail and came up close and personal with many addicts.
I have seen people go through their own personal hell trying to free themselves of their addictions. I have yet to see Discovery House wean anyone off methadone. My one grandchild had to fight them tooth and nail to get off methadone.
Your statement that the infant isn’t born addicted, just dependent, is rediculous. All addicts are dependent. They are dependent on what ever drug they have been takeing. The younger one is turned on to drugs the more vulnerable they are to addiction. Every drug cartel in the worlk knows this. The big pharmaceutical companies know this. Every medical practitioner knows this.
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You are 100% correct. They don’t understand WHY they are this way, they don’t know what the drug is, and they don’t crave the high it would produce. They just have a need to survive.
The problem being for many addicts is that they just want to feel normal. There is a problem with that, in that they have been on drugs for so long that they have forgotten what normal is.
Ummmm no. Incorrect. Also, MANY of the people decide to get on methadone because they can get their dose (which will be INCREASED) in the morning and be rocked all day long. They can get high the legal way. People like ME who want to get OFF opiates, opt for suboxone. Not just another way to get high… Also, as for someone not being qualified to have an OPINION, that’s just silly. But if you want to know my qualifications- I’m an addict, I also used to work in the field helping people get off drugs… Kind of ironic.
But you’re working towards being a FORMER addict. Good luck to you. I hope you succeed. There will be alot of people proud of you……including yourself. :)
You can thank the greedy opiate peddling pharmaceutical companies and their servants at the FDA for this..just don’t smoke a joint, that would cripple society..
Just because people are prescribed narcotics does not mean they need to take them.
We are going to have an entire generation of addicts! These ‘mothers’ and I use that term loosely should be ashamed of themselves. It is one thing to go down that path and another to drag an innocent child down it with you.
A delivery nurse told me once that methadone babies have it harder even than heroin babies. It’s beyond awful.
‘Doctors say newborns aren’t really addicted, but their bodies are dependent on methadone or other opiates because of their mothers’ use during pregnancy’.
is there some sort of difference between dependant and addicted? no, no there isn’t. and plenty of these mothers wouldn’t be giving birth to methadone addicted babies if medicaid didn’t pay for it.
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Alcoholism is inherited (biological)……addiction to drugs is not. I have 4 kids……one went the drug route for a time…….thank God not for long. No one in my family or my ex’s was a drug addict……..it was unheard of when we were growing up. He DID NOT go to the methadone clinic or the suboxone clinic. He cleaned up himself and is now a productive member of society. So, it can be done!!
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Addiction is addiction, regardless of whether it’s to alcohol, cocaine or Valium. The disease is the same, with the same causes. In fact many addicts (alcoholics are addicts) switch drug of choice over time. Former alcohol addicts turn to heroin. Former heroin addicts turn to alcohol.
There is a genetic component to addiction, the drug doesn’t matter.
Also, addiction to things other than alcohol was not unheard of when you were growing up. For example, heroin addiction was a fairly common affliction in middle class American homes in the early 1900’s. I don’t believe you grew up before then.
it is very interesting that these ‘mothers’ don’t mind weaning their infants off methadone but refuse to do so themselves.
It’s not that they refuse to wean themselves. Many actually do wean themselves after the baby is born but doing so during pregnancy could kill the baby or cause lasting damage. It’s not advised to detox off opioids during pregnancy and no responsible doctor would advise a pregnant woman to do so.
that makes sense. though I do take issue with the ‘many actually do wean themselves’….not in rockland maine they don’t. not by a long shot.
All this starts off right in the doctors offices, everybody knows it yet won’t do anything about it.. They donate alot of money to politicans… Hey it looks like your in pain, here is a script that will stop all that pain….
I went to the doctor because I broke a bone. They insisted I have pain meds. I refused 3 times and they looked confused… I gave in and took the script, I threw it in the wood stove when I got home.. Pain meds are dangerous.
I have a 17 year old relative who recently had a severe kidney infection and was in pain. Along with the antibiotic the doctor wrote a prescription for vicodin. I was very upset at the large number of pills prescribed. A few I could see, but not the 30 prescribed.
If I wrote what I know on this subject, as I have done before, it would last seconds before pulled as true as it is.
All I will say is this…I’ll tell you later. I have to figure out how to code it.
This would be a sad enough story if each baby that went through this had a different mother. I would guess that many of these babies share a mother and siblings who have been through this before. I guess they just need another tax deduction.
The War on Drugs is doing a fantastic job of preventing drug addiction…
I have learned to live with having to wait 20 minutes before getting out of my chair in the morning. Yes, I said my chair I am unable to sleep in a bed, and I am never pain free I have RA,OA,Lupus,Elers-Danlos,and actually I could keep going but what’s the point,my joints dislocate almost daily so PLEASE those of you who don’t deal with what I deal with every day, Please don’t judge me because I take prescribed Methadone. I do not go to a clinic. I have monthly Drs. app. I truly feel methadone kept me from either jumping off a bridge or seeking help from street drugs. I follow my prescribed dose, because I have gone through withdrawal and for those of you that have not experience this complete hell, actually hell doesn’t even come close. I have had chemo and would choose the chemo over withdrawal. There really are not any words or thoughts I can use to describe this event, so again don’t be so fast to judge unless you know the whole story because without Methadone I wouldn’t be here.
You are using it for a different reason. People like you who suffer every day, do not fall into the catergory of abusing the system or program. I wish there was something that could be done, so you wouldn’t have to consider pain as your friend.
I suppose being born addicted to drugs is better than being born with alcohol syndrome. We are reaching an epidemic in uneducated and unfit mothers in this country. It’s such a hard vicious cycle to break. You would think education would be the key but too many kids don’t even want to be in school. The uneducated will outnumber the educated if it hasn’t happened already.
now this is really sad..Damn… some woman need to grow up and Realize its not just about me…*shakes head*
Glad this woman is finally getting help, but unfortunately, it took having a baby for her to do so. What are these women going to tell these kids when they are older?? Makes me sick!
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Ask EMMC how many pregnant Methadone addicts are sent directly to Bangor each year by other states so Maine has to pay the cost to care for them and their drug-addicted babies, who may spend weeks in the NICU. A nurse from New Hamshire admitted they send pregnant Methodone addicts to Bangor specifically so the New Hampshire hospital where she works doesn’t have to pay the long-term treatment costs. Why? Because Maine allows it to happen. Free instant food, housing and medical care when you cross the border for one and all, including convicted child molesters!
Blame Bush.
Sad, sad, sad, all the way around.
The very fact that doctors and mothers are allowing the methadone usage to continue through out a pregnancy is pretty disturbing.
Apparently the advice to eat cucumbers and bananas must also prevent pregnancies resulting from sex-while-addicted. Gee, maybe the reason the health nazis aren’t screaming “prevention” is that the solution involves (Shhhhh….) female morality…
I’m sorry but no one needs to have an addiction to know that WHILE YOU ARE PREGNANT WITH YOUR CHILD you STOP!!!! who cares if you are in pain, your life is no longer yours but yours and your kids. People who are addicted need to do something right away, its not the baby fault and a baby should not have to be put through that.
Wow.. Seems to me that alot of people need more knowledge about methadone treatment and what it really is….. I think people need to stop being so judgmental. it’s about helping people! and as far as Methadone treatment during Pregnancy, I have seen people go through it and have perfectly healthy babies, and they grow up to be just as healthy as a child whos mother was not going through methadone treatment during pregnancy. It’s up to you to take your treatment serious and stay off other drugs that ARE harmful to your unborn child. Most of these comments I have read are not only incorrect, but hurtful and I see alot of people getting offended by whats been said on here… Close down Methadone clinics? Are you kidding me? Methadone Treatment is a great way for people to have NORMAL lives and get back on track, get OFF the drugs and have a blissful life like everyone deserves….and the road to recovery is a long road, its impossible to beat your drug addiction in a short period of time. Every one is different, but in most cases; it takes awhile to get on a stable dose, then stay at that stable dose for a period of time so your not having cravings and/or at risk of relapsing, then once you feel as if its time, you can start to ween down off the methadone, but again this takes time, Methadone isn’t something you can just stop taking. The withdrawls are worse for some people then the drugs they were addicted to before hand. I needed to take a moment to express my opinion on this matter. Some of the comments I read really disturbed me, So I needed to state my opinion.
and if your are really badly addicted to drugs, you CANNOT JUS T STOP using, you could have a miscarriage…. you have to do it the right way and of course no unborn child should have to suffer thru ANYTHING once he/or she is born…. I just hate to read all these horrible comments … not all,but most are very cruel.
A miscarriage is probably the best possible thing that could happen with these women.
Thats a horrible thing to say
I think it is being realistic. Most of these women will be lousy mothers, not fit to be called a mother. The babies are drug dependent, many will grow up in drug environments with little chance at a happy or good life.
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People ARE capable of great things….
But I was commenting on the drug addicts.
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and so thats outta the way, most methadone clinics are NON PROFIT!!!!
At the expense of the taxpayers of this country. What are we getting in return? Certainly not people who are “clean” and pulling their own weight. Of course the people who work at these clinics are going to claim the program works! These are people who don’t want to lose their job! The workers of these clinics are living off our tax dollars, paid by the government thru grants, welfare medical programs etc All this program is doing is allowing the drug addict to remain a drug addict!
Thats certainly not true, I have seen many people successfully complete the program, and yes its sad but alot of people do abuse it, but most people need alittle help, and Methadone Treatment works as long as you do it the correct way.
Far more people are abusing the methadone program than are not. Where I live, there are ALOT of people on the program. I work at a store in my community, and you should see these people after they’ve had their dose. Some can’t talk, some are literaly drooling, some can’t keep their eyes open…….and most don’t even know where they are!……..and one of these severally incapcitated are driving a vehicle, which makes them a danger to be on the road. There have been known incidents when people coming back from the clinic have driven off the road and/or been involved in an accident with others.
I have seen this also, and these people are clearly on WAY to much Methadone. The people who are abusing it are the reason why so many people are against it. I’m just saying, MOST need more knowledge on the facts…..
my grandmother nearly died of a methadone overdose, she was put on methadone at 68 for a pain medication for her back, she was due to heave 4 vertebrae fused, and a whole lot more. X-rays 2 days before surgury revealed she could’nt have the surgery due to calsification of the area.. she stayed on methadone.. weeks later she was driving in the winter to pick up a grandchild in a snowstorm in 2003, had an accident, went to ER to get checked out.. they upped her dosage, she went home 2 days later would not wake up.. was a combination of Pneumonia, and methadone overdose, she was completely un-responsive for 5 weeks. lost all but 85 lbs. you tell me how great you think methadone is..
I can only speak for my area, but I know in my small town the crime rate has drasticly lowered since the methadone treatment center has opened, I am sure its like this in other areas as well.
I read this on another article on this website;
Babies who are born drug-dependent are more likely to have developmental delays and behavioral problems. They are also more likely to be abused, according to the DHHS report.
As bad as all of this sounds, Moran said the problem would be worse if the addicted mothers were not in the methadone or buprenophine therapy programs.
Opiate-addicted women who discover they are pregnant and try to quit on their own are more likely to miscarry and give birth prematurely, he said, and much, much more likely to relapse. The up-and-down exposure and withdrawal that come with active opiate use are extremely dangerous for a baby, he said, making methadone and buprenophine treatment the best solution for pregnant opiate addicts.
Ask EMMC how many Methodone-addicted pregnant women are sent to Bangor by other cities and states each year. They know EMCC will be obligated to accept the woman in labor and then care for the addicted baby in the NICU. Maine gives instant free care! A nurse from New Hampshire said her hospital frequently sends drug addicted pregnant women to Bangor for that reason. She said her hospital gets rid of them before they give birth because they know how expensive the care for the infant will be. Who pays for it? Maine’s taxpayers.
I myself have gone through addiction…But seriously going to the clinic for over a year is OUTRAGES! An being a pregnant women and going to the clinic is outrages too. Honestly if your pregnant an going to the clinic then i think CPS should be invovled an honestly i dont think you should have your child.