ORONO, Maine — The University of Maine expected Dayglow — a nation-hopping event that features digital music, dancers, acrobats, light displays and copious amounts of paint and confetti — to be more raucous than the usual on-campus performance.
Dayglow, branded as “the world’s largest paint party,” drew a crowd of about 3,000 when it visited UMaine’s Field House on April 25, according to Dean of Students Robert Dana, but it probably won’t be welcomed back in the near future.
The university reported 16 attendees were taken to the hospital by ambulance from the Field House. Dana said he’s not pleased with that number.
Their medical problems ranged from excessive alcohol consumption and dehydration to asthma and getting paint in their eyes, Dana said.
“With 16 transports, we’re very unhappy with that,” Dana said Tuesday, adding that the concert was a bit too boisterous for the university.
“We did know that Dayglow brought with it this sort of hyperexuberance,” Dana said. “Police and safety personnel were anticipating it.”
University and town officials said Tuesday that planning played a large role in ensuring responders were prepared to handle any emergency resulting from the show.
The UMaine Volunteer Ambulance Corps, or UVAC, handled nine of the 16 transports. Orono and Old Town fire and rescue crews took two concertgoers apiece. Capital Ambulance Services and emergency responders from Bangor also assisted by transporting the remainder of the patients.
Ambulances from Orono transported four other individuals from the campus that night, but those patients weren’t included in the university’s count because the ambulances picked them up in different spots on campus.
The day of Dayglow was also Maine Day, so many UMaine students were also celebrating a day off from classes. Orono Fire Chief Buddy Webb said some of those calls could have been related to Maine Day festivities rather than the concert.
Orono Town Manager Sophie Wilson said Tuesday that Orono won’t have to incur the costs of the ambulance runs to UMaine. The individuals taken to the hospital by the ambulance will have to foot the bill themselves, officials from the ambulance services said.
Myles Block, chief of service for UVAC, said his group’s staff of about 70 drivers and emergency medical technicians prepared well in advance of the concert.
Block said he did some research after finding out that Dayglow was coming to UMaine and found several stories about injuries and arrests at similar events in other campus towns.
In December, a Dayglow concert at Lehigh University in Northampton County, Pa., was classified as a “mass casualty event” when about 35 attendees had to be shuttled to area hospitals and six others were arrested, according to The Express-Times.
After reading that article and others similar to it, Block said he called other universities to see what officials did to prepare and ask what they would have done differently.
“I think we had just under 30 [emergency medical technicians] that were in field teams or [the] triage area,” Block said.
He also reached out to surrounding communities to ask for their assistance.
“We only have six ambulances available close to campus,” Block said, adding that Orono and Old Town need to keep at least one ambulance in their bays at all times in case an emergency arises in those towns.
Dana said he was pleased with the steps university staff and area emergency responders took to prepare themselves for the event and that the crews handled themselves and concertgoers well.
“Thousands of students had a wonderful time and a small number of people misbehaved and ended up in trouble,” Dana said.
Dillon Hough, 20, of Yarmouth and Brandon Bell-Colfer, 23, of Farmingdale were refused admittance to the Field House because they were visibly intoxicated, according to UMaine spokesman Ron Lisnet. Both men — neither of whom is a UMaine student — refused to leave and were arrested and charged with criminal trespass.
They were the only arrests of the night, Lisnet said.
“Most students, most participants had a fun time that was appropriate,” Dana said.
I had the misfortune of going to see Girl Talk at UMO last year. I’m a young 20-something myself (and at the time, a UMO student) but it the biggest crowd of drunk idiots I’ve ever seen in my life….and I’ve been to a lot of festivals/concerts. This isn’t a Dayglow problem. It’s UMO not being able to control a crowd.
No – not UMO being to control a crowd – it’s individuals who have no discipline and are paying all that money to go to school to drink.
I think letting people who are clearly drunk or the like is failure to control a crowd. They don’t serve alcohol at these events so it’s not like people aren’t pre-gaming or consuming at the event.
Agreed…..take some of that money funneled to the other depts and beef up security pre and post events. Duh. A lot of it is the freshman and sophomore attitudes….out of the house, no excuse though. Kill it for everyone. First that horrible death a few days ago and now this….gee, think someone ought to be able to figure it out. Maybe not off of campus, but start with on campus.
how about a breathalyzer on the way in. Well, I never understood why people get loaded for any reason but then to pay to go to a concert.
They don’t serve alcohol at these events so it’s not like people aren’t pre-gaming or consuming at the event.Thanks for making my point.
Well sometimes attempting to “police” a gathering of 3,000 students where some are drunk by removing them will cause a larger problem called a “riot” where a greater number of people would have been injured or worse.
“Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the peace corps”
It’s not a UM problem, it’s the students who don’t know when enough is enough, and how to act appropriately at a school-hosted event. UM doesn’t welcome the concert in the future for fear of how the students will behave. It’s sad, really.
Did you travel back in a time machine? “UMO” hasn’t existed for almost 30 years.
I’ve been living out of state for 30 years, so maybe you can tell me what the new nomenclature is: UMO, UMPI, UMFK etc aren’t used anymore? Or has the UMO campus been moved to another town?
It’s simply “University of Maine.” “UM” and “UMaine” are the abbreviated terms.
Thanx.
People in Mass prefer distinguishing our system with UM Amherst, UM Boston, UM Dartmouth….Makes it easier to know what’s being talked about.
Makes me wonder why Maine chose not to clarify; new one size fits all stationery? Or change for the sake of change. (Was that done at the same time as Voc Tech being changed to College?)
Considering there is only one University of Maine, what is there to clarify?
The University of Maine System has seven schools:
1. University of Maine
2. University of Southern Maine
3. University of Maine at Augusta
4. University of Maine at Farmington
5. University of Maine at Machias
6. University of Maine at Presque Isle
7. University of Maine at Fort Kent
So what I glean from that is UMO is now ‘THE’ University of Maine and the others are branches.
I’ll just leave that bit of trivia rest. Thanx.
They’re not branches. They’re separate institutions with their own presidents. All 7 share common services through UMS and have a chancellor to administer those state-level issues.
ryanrobbins, lighten up…everyone in Maine has been calling it, still calls it, and will continue to call it UMO regardless of whether or not it technically “hasn’t existed for 30 years”..it is a Mainer-ism.
“Everyone”? Not in my experience. Nobody I went to UMaine calls it “UMO.”
I went to UMaine for two degrees and I still slip and call it UMO with pride
Does it really matter ryan? Does calling the campus UMaine or UMO change the main point or the article or the discussion that resulted?
What town or city is the school located in Ryan? Orono isnt it? Yep, still UMO in my book..LOL
So UMaine means all schools . Why the name change ? At least it was simple 3 letters to say the UMaine Orono before.
“UMaine” means “University of Maine,” not “all schools.”
When the University of Maine System was created around the late 1960s, the state’s universities were renamed. Washington State Teachers College became the University of Maine at Machias, for example. The University of Maine was renamed the University of Maine at Orono.
In the mid- to late-1980s, the University of Maine regained the name it had had almost since its inception, dropping “at Orono.”
There is only one University of Maine, and it is in Orono. Thus, there is no need to name it (or call it) the University of Maine at Orono.
Thanks for the info . I do not get why schools change the name . like EMVIT is now EMCC .
How would you suggest that UMO control the crowd, demitasse? Obviously you haven’t ever been to a legitimate festival because our concerts don’t even scratch the surface when it comes to crowds of drunk idiots.
Perhaps they shouldn’t be allowed in to begin with or thrown out when it is evident they are 3 sheets to the wind.
Isn’t that what security is for?
How about arrest anyone who is underage and drunk? or kick them out of school?
A strict policy of kicking them out of school would solve the problem in a short time. But the tuition money means more to the administration. And they would have to stand up to the upset parents.
Have your “drunk idiots” concert off campus. Problem solved.
Actually, contrary to to your snide remark about how I “obviously haven’t been to a legitimate festival”, I have been to more than one giant music festival in various parts of the country. They were nothing compared to Girl Talk. I saw three people throw up in the Field House and one girl strapped to a stretcher because she was obviously high on something and trying to pull her hair out. I also saw a group of kids arrested in the parking lot next to Dunn because they were drinking inside their car.
Additionally, and for the record, I had a couple drinks before Girl Talk. I also arranged for a good and trusted friend to serve as the DD for the night and nobody in my party threw up or was hungover the next day. These events create an atmosphere for UMO students to get plastered and walk back their dorms hours later, I know it does. And for that reason, they’re a bad idea.
UMO doesn’t exist (and hasn’t since 1986).
So the vast majority again suffers at the hands of the few idiots…
Thanks a bunch, mate.
0.5%
“suffers” ??? Dude, you call not having Dayglow in Maine suffering? You must have never known any real suffering in your life or you might have chosen a different word to describe your discontent.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suffer
(transitive vs. intransitive)
bears_beets used the word correctly.
Alykins, it wasn’t really correct in this context. More of an exaggeration of the term. Ya know: “She suffered a cut thumb” as opposed to “She suffered third degree burns over 90% of her body” :)
Check the link if you don’t believe me, Buz. Bears_beets is using the transitive form of the verb suffer.
Transitive:
1. To submit to or be forced to endure (as in, the consequences of the few affecting the many)
2. To undergo, to experience (as in, the consequences..)
3. To put up with, especially as inevitable or unavoidable (as in, the idiots..)
4. To allow, especially by reason of indifference (as in, the consequences..)
Intransitive:
1. To endure death, pain, or distress
2. To sustain loss or damage
3. To be subject to handicap or disability
One could even use the intransitive form in this case, the loss being the concert.
Let’s not limit ourselves here!
I don’t need to check the link because I know that you’re technically correct (never suffer a fool). I also grate my teeth at the often poor use of our language– were/was, fewer/less than, ? and I/I and ?–but with it happening many times on these sites (along with some really bad spelling) the ‘context’ I alluded to was the context of this site in particular. Your admonition was just a bit over kill, especially with such a common word that isn’t analyzed to such depths too often. :)
Yep. Maybe the vast majority ought to shame the few idiots (even though I doubt they really care about anyone but themselves).
Was this to be some unfortunate version of India’s Holi festival?
http://www.holifestival.org/significance-of-holi.html Certainly the intention is different, and real paint is not used.
lol, shocker.
I can’t imagine why anybody in the University administration thought this was a good plan. The person who signed off on it should be fired.
That would be the student entertainment group, run by students. Its the students, not the university.
The administration can still say “no.”
So if the student entertainment group approves it, it is a “go”?? Admin is not involved at all?
I don’t get it? I must be getting old :(
Me neither but I’m sure there was someone that didn’t get the drinking, pot smoking and music when Stevie Ray Vaughan (while I was a student) came to UMaine either.
Excuse for students to act stupid. ’nuff said.
Dana is so clearly out of touch with the student body at this point that it is startling.
Can you name a point at which he wasn’t out of touch with the student body? The problem now is that he and the whole university system are losing their influence (and control?) over the student body.
Dana hasn’t been in touch with the real world for at least the last 20 years.
I agree entirely. I ran a university-sponsored road race last week side-by-side with Dean Dana. During my undergrad and grad at UM (the last 6 years), he was active in every organization I worked with. I don’t understand why everyone is blaming him, and not the kids who messed up!
Because it couldn’t possibly be irresponsible kids (note this is sarcasm)! It has to be the evil university dean!
You should have been on campus for Maine Day…heard Dean Dana was in a sorority sponsored dunking booth!
You “heard” or you “saw”?
Heard since I was not there to see…
Looks messy.
The university reported 16 attendees were transported to the hospital by ambulance from the Field House. Dana said he’s not pleased with that number.
I wonder just what number would be acceptable???
Zero?
15 ;)
I can see we need to put pressure on the police and the DA. to enforce underage drinking laws to the fullest extent of the law. We all know college kids drink but bring this kind of attention to it and you might find out it is not that funny.
Wow….0.0053% of the kids who attended were an issue….I’d call that a major success. Apparently, UMaine has set their standards higher than I ever remember them being before. I’d say Dana is aiming to exclude what the student body is interested in.
I see you’re a graduate of a UMaine statistics course. Sixteen is .53% of 3000. Apparently, Umaine has set their standards lower than I ever remember them being before.
So funny . My girlfriend took stats, cal, geo, alg11, trig was deans list and she could not look at a Suduko board and figure out what all the numbers would add up too. Took me less than a minute . Granted I can not spell. In psy101 the instructor asked what the sq rt of 100,000 was I was like 316.227766 (just happened to know the sqrt. of 10 to a few decimals . Then I repeated back you would not think someone with an IQ of 130 would work in a lumber mill. Haha. You would have had to been thier. The purpose of education is more to make the elite look better than it has to do with ability or learning.
In fairness to kaytt337 her only error was using the percent symbol. The percent symbol implies that the number is expressed as a fraction of 100. In this case 0.0053 is equal to 0.53%, either expression are acceptable in statistics. I’m not sure it is fair to criticize UMaine education for an incorrect notation.
If kaytt337 is enrolled at UMaine . I think it is completely fair . Now if Kat has a sixth grade education well he or she did OK. Like I said I never went to college just took a couple night classes . Never made it past algebra 1 in school. I was A slow learner special ED .
“In this case 0.0053 is equal to 0.53%, either expression are acceptable in statistics.”
Uh, no. Once you start using “percent,” you need to get your numbers in order. There’s a huge difference between “0.0053 percent” and “0.0053.”
Actually try using the number 0.0053 in a sentence without using the term percentage in any way and try to make sense of the result.
“Wow….0.0053 kids who attended were an issue” Head scratcher….
or “Wow….0.0053 of the kids who attended were an issue” Of course leaving in the “of the” Implies a percentage and is still wrong.
Sorry, I had posted on here quickly. Hope I can be forgiven!
We will forgive you if you hit the books and take this seriously .
Bob, thank you…but I have already graduated. It was an error in passing….maybe you should take posting on a news website just a little less seriously. I am sure you never did anything you considered ‘fun’ when you were college age and I am sure none of the others who were participating got out of hand. I didn’t participate in this event and never have done anything of the sort…but I don’t think an event should be turned away for those who did enjoy it and behaved themselves because a very, very small number couldn’t handle it appropriately.
I was kinda teasing . My point is most of these people are not supper smart. I am not either. They need to take things seriously . Most people in college today are not the gifted like the in the 70s . Just average or slightly above. The ones that do work hard things like this make employers lose respect. In my field 70% of people with a degree fail the written part of the State lic. exam . Well I was not LUCKY enough to get into college . I worked extra hard and passed my exam the first try. At that age I did “fun” stupid things . If I would have got into college I would have taken it more seriously than these kids. Maybe the post should say we have no defense. We were stupid and will not let it happen again. That would earn more respect trying to defend actions.
I certianly hope you do not go to UMaine It is .533333 Percent That is over 1/2 of 1% percent. I am not even educated. Try moving the decimal over 2 places. Maybe I should have gone to college .
OMG! Over half of 1%?!? RiDONKulous! Cancel that crap now!
;)
That is the percent sent to the hospital in one concert. I would be willing to bet money that that high of a percent of people fighting In are wars do not get sent to the hospital in any given day. This is not funny I think anyone who was involved in this foolishness should be expelled . Sorry a lot of people are not lucky enough to get into college . At least in my day we had respect .
What *luck* does it take to get into college, pray tell? I was taught that it is hard work to get in (and stay in) Don’t have money? Find financial aid. Not smart enough? Get a tutor.
College has absolutely nothing to do with luck.
And what “foolishness” specifically should cause a student to be expelled? IMHO, underage drinking should be dealt with by the law not the school officials. Was it you that suggested a breathalyzer at the gate? Wouldn’t bother me!
Here are some “Fast Stats” on ER visits:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/ervisits.htm
I’ll do the math for you, that’s over a quarter million people every day, about 115000 of them injury-related. Of only the injury-related visits, that is over 13% of US citizens going to hospital every day on average. And we aren’t even fighting a war here.
A quarter million people out of a population of 300 million would be 0.08333%.
115,000 out of a population of 300 million would be 0.03833%.
Not 13%. Are you another UM graduate?
My point exactly I am not formally educated . If fact I was a slow learner in special ed most of my schooling . Funny I know math better than these kids.
Thanks for the correction, GovernmentIStheproblem. I knew it didn’t sound right when I posted it but my math-addicted boyfriend was busy at the time.
I never went to UMaine & I’ve only completed 2 years of college. Math is obviously not my forte. *sheepishly backs away from the statistics comments*
I agree. I worked my butt off in High School and earned my scholarships and financial aid. I am on my own paying for college with no help from my parents. There is no such thing as being lucky and getting into college solely on that. Like I said in a previous post. I was 100% sober at this event. Why should I be expelled for purchasing a ticket legally to an event? Just because somebody is underage that doesn’t mean that they, a) drink, b) drink so much they are wasted, or c) are a bad student who doesn’t focus on their studies. Some of the smartest people I have met at the University still drink on weekends and party. America is just uptight with alcohol. If it was legally available at the age of lets say, 16 or 18, many people would be taught how to drink properly by their families and wouldn’t have to sneak around all the time and get wasted every time they drank. DayGlow is not to blame for these few incidents that happened. 3,000 people is a lot. The more people there are, the higher the chance of needing ambulances, police, security, etc, there is, just because there are so many people. Smaller concerts and events that are held on campus do not draw that big of a crowd. They cannot even compare to how fun and popular DayGlow is.
You are paying for college with the help or every tax player . Colleges are subsidized by tax money . So is financial aid . How many people were taken to the hospital alcohol related from the circus????
When I went to school loans were not given out all over the place at least know one told me how to get one. If you look at the facts people who come money go to college at a rate of 5 times higher than people who do not even when ajusting for Grade or IQ. I am way better in math than you are That is not 13% buddy . Try more like .0833—-% I did not go to college . You got in because hard work or smarts???? BS. Sorry I only took algebra1 . With the 300 that you scores in the math section of the SAT how did? you get in Yes you were taught it .It has little to do with hard work. That is the problem you were taught wrong. It just proves my point.
Your comments are getting harder and harder to understand, Bob. And I never actually said I went to college.
However, you’re right. My math was wrong. Language is my strong suit.
No one will *tell* you how to get financial aid, that is information that you need to seek yourself. It ain’t easy, Bob, but so many people are trying. Many students are working their way through without help from parents or loans. The story the other day about Maine students being #2 for loan debt in the nation? That girl will be in debt for the rest of her life if things don’t change ($20 payment doesn’t even cover interest?!)
I think we’re getting off topic…
Yes foolishness drives up the price. I can not type spell or even wright very well. I will admit that. We need to get schools back to the basics of learning and keep cost down. This spending millions more on sports than it brings in is nonsense. People who do not take school seriously need to go. I have an older browser on dial up no (spell check here) Math is probably my strong point. I have taught myself things Like RLC circuits , DB gain ,electrical theory . Another Issue I have with college is some things can be self taught .We are not getting the people with the highest aptitudes . Many students are working hard many go to play games and waist money. I would any day go up against the AVERAGE 2 year student at EMCC electrical power program on my theory of even math ability. Some would be smarter MOST would not. Why waist the money on a degree when you are not being the best you can be?? Back In my day some people were discouraged from going to college even with decent grades in HS. Today A below average SAT and you are in. What gets me is people who get a 3.33 in calculus and can not do simple math without a calculator .
Dana needs to get a spokesperson. Not very eloquent with his responses to university matters.
To the esteemed readers of the BDN,
As the student who put this show on I find much of the coverage about this show to be overly dramatized. I have learned in my senior capstone course this semester that the media tends to promote conflict as it gets better ratings, readership, etc. This story is no exception! UMaine concerts typically have an average of 10 transports per show. At past UMaine shows there have been the same amount of arrests if not more arrests than there were at Dayglow (2). It’s a concert with 3,000 kids and 16 people get taken to the hospital. This is 6 more people being transported than at usual UMaine concerts. Am I missing something? As was mentioned this is .5% of those in attendance. This is far below the national average for college concerts. Everyone relax! There are worse things kids could be doing than getting too drunk and showing up at a supervised college concert. There were 15 police officers, 40 private security guards, and 17 EMTs, not to mention fire personnel, crowd managers, etc, in attendance. This exceeds the industry standard for security to an almost obnoxious point. In addition, local hospitals were notified that this concert was happening and were on stand-by. To get into our concerts students must be patted down and wanded by a metal detector. When it comes down to it you’re never going to prevent college kids from going to college shows drunk. So we try to put on relevant shows that kids will actually attend. We try to do so in as safe and controlled an environment as possible. Maybe we just shouldn’t have shows and then kids will stop drinking, rainbows will appear, and all world conflict will come to an end.
I’ll sum up: There were 60% more students transported to the hospital than usual. Let the party continue.
16 is a lot more than 60% of the usual *1*. JNaboz is making up that “10”. UVAC might see a few students at an average concert but rarely is more than 1 taken *to* a hospital.
I was talking about our more “exciting” shows, Elizabeth. Not Janelle Monae and Fun. at the CCA or comedians. Im talking our big rap shows, our big electronic shows, maybe even one of our big country shows.
Keep right on trying to rationalize and justify your promotion of drugs, booze, and destructive events.
I totaly agree with you the powers that be I.E>” stuffed shirts” can’t stand not finding fault with young folks. Sounds like you did your homework. You just can’t satisfy some people. Keep up the good work.
You are correct, they are kids. When I was 19, I started my 21 years in the U.S. military, carried a .38; M-16, gas mask, mace, handcuffs (guarding nuclear weapons), was married, became a father……and wasn’t called a kid any more……my gang did more to keep the peace than your gang, but we did it so you would have the right to continue to be “kids”. Don’t you feel any responsibility for how these students get there while drunk?
Todd,
Thank you for serving. I have no idea what that must have been like and have great respect for anyone in the armed services. I think debating which generation is better might not be the most productive use of our time. Aren’t we all in this together? Its the UNITED States. Anyways, to address your concern about “responsibility for how these students get there while drunk.” As far as I know there were no concert related OUIs. Most kids came via the Bat Bus or walked (as the show was on campus). So, I guess I’m missing the point?
What I’ve read is you’ve taken a logical approach for a big party but do not consider the impact it had on the surrounding community response capabilities. When hospitals say it was a wall to wall pukefest at their location; experienced EMS stating the numbers were higher than other events; and a police/security force as large as the state police force is needed, that is a lot of resources potentially displacing regular emergency events by making themselves available for your event. I guess I’m from the “Animal House” generation where we just wanted a good time without the “caretakers” needing to be placed on standby so we could party.
I don’t think it’s a ‘better’generation thing. During all generations, there have been partiers. And god knows I was one when VN ( I didn’t serve. Nixon pulled us out first) was on and we legally drank at 18.
IMHO, I believe Todd was only trying to explain the old saying (paraphrased) “When I was a child I spake as a child. When I became a man, I put away childish things… Just his way of expressing what the label of Adult means to him (in reality, not agewise). :)
Shame on you, JNaboz, for attempting to make such a great sales job with your vocabulary. As they say often “the truth hurts” and “todd007” hit you with it square in the nose. We all know that college students will party and look for the ultimate experience. It’s the job of those that have been through it to maintain parameters and teach from the past. Doesn’t eliminate mistakes of those following, but should serve as a guideline.
You also stated that “only” 6 more people were transported in comparison to the claimed, but disputed further down in this post, average of 10. Well, my friend, that is still 60% more than the average …
There must be limits to allowed behavior and this event exceeded them. I just wonder how much worse it might have been had the university / organizers not been prepared. After the previous article and experiences from this event elsewhere, you’re lucky it even took place.
One more thing, what ever happened to “bumstock” … Oh, that’s right … not there anymore
Hhahaha. Everyone knows people in the military don’t drink or party.
Well…in England I advised the Officers Club manager to raise the chandeliers a couple of feet before a party because the prior year the “guests” did reach them….In Korea when our Colonel drank our jungle juice at a hooch party and exclaimed “mighty tasty!” I had to explain why the stirring spoon tip was melted; In Germany when you buy a round for the bar…you should leave right then, because the reciprocal drinks can cause scars when you fall and hit your noggin…..in Hungary when the owner of a horse ranch let’s you take his favorite horse for a ride after a wine tasting tour, you should at least know how to say “whoa” in Hungarian… when you are exchanging complimentary drinks during liaison meetings with a foreign agency and you offer a security official a coke to have on hand before he drinks what he’s told is American Palinka (actually was Everclear) and he says he doesn’t need it because he’s a big strong man;….have your interpreter read the bottle label to him while his throat burns. The interpreter turned and yells” What are you trying to do, kill him?” Yup, he drank the chaser. I’m no angel, but I didn’t have to have an ambulance crew placed on alert for any parties I knew of……with the exception of that Hootie concert in Bosnia…..
I am thinking a lot more than 2 people were underage and drunk. Maybe if an example was made of the ones that they could catch more KIDS would think twice about it. I do not think this is at all funny.
And how many underage drinking teens and young adults do you think took part in parties throughout Bangor, Orono, Old Town, Veazie and surroundings towns that DID NOT go to this concert? Did they have EMT’s waiting?? Were there ambulance close by? Was there security there just in case someone got a little to handsy with someone’s daughter? Nope….Honestly, we cannot stop kids from doing this…Its been tried. I vote for keeping it in an enclosed and somewhat safe environment rather than let them go out on there own with nobody but their drunk friends looking after them.
How many underage kids get charged with drinking? Seems like these college kids are somehow exempt. WHY? College kids are more educated and should know better , be punished harder because they should know better. I really pisses me off when I saw (years ago) a hockey player get out of trouble because he was one.
“I vote for keeping it in an enclosed and somewhat safe environment
rather than let them go out on there own with nobody but their drunk
friends looking after them.”
But I thought they were “adults”. If they were “adults” why do they need people to look after them?
In the Campus article it quoted a student saying that someone “peed” on them. Is that the action of an “adult”?
No JD, its the action of someone that was drunk. What is with all you cronies that post on here all the time and complain about the left, complain about benefits for the poor and complain about anyone having a good time. Life is not all about going to church every sunday working till your dead and not living life. My word, i have never seen a bigger bunch of str8 laced hypocrites in my life. I am 44 years old. I use to enjoy partying at Babe’s in Brewer, Johnny’s, the Show Ring, and even the infamous meat market known as the Bounty. Its not against the law to have some drinks with friend and act crazy. There are laws that need to be followed and for the most part it seems they were. Several kids got some paint in their eyes, so what…Anyone that knows how to google knows what type of show this was. They even previewed it on the evening news. IF things started to get out of hand and people wanted to leave, they had that freedom to do so. They also had the freedom to not go in the first place. If you are an ER worker and you dont like your job, then dont do it. Why is this one venue getting so much flack when the same number of trips to the ER could have been made from countless other parties that night if this concert had not gone on? If UMaine(sorry didnt realize we werent using UMO any longer) officials didnt like it, well i am sure the students arent all that privy to the millions of dollars the officals got in raises this past year either while tuitions keep going up and up. If you keep taking the fun out of going to UMaine, whats next, the football games?, than dont whine and cry when more and more kids start going OUT OF STATE to school, because tons of other schools all over the country deal with these same things every day and dont have half the old cronies whining as we have on this post board. Wake up folks, if they werent partying up there, they would have someonewhere else., maybe even right next door to where you live..Get over it , move on, and let them enjoy their 20’s like we did….lord knows i wouldnt mind having a few of those days back..
Jeff boy please don’t generalize about me. You don’t know me so let me clear up some facts about myself for you.
I have no “cronies” and folks like EJParsons and cp444 would take you to the wood shed for lumping me in with them and so would posters like luvGSD for lumping me in with them. I am not on the right or the left. While I am still a registered Republican I am much more in the camp of the Libertarians at this point.
I don’t work in the ER. I know many of them as I know many of the local police officers and firefighters too. I very much enjoy what I do, both my full time and part time job.
Why is this getting so much press? Because the number of students needing medical attention at an ER is saw far out of the norm. On a “normal” Friday or Saturday night 2-3 students might be transported for alcohol related issues from UMaine so a 8-fold increase is a pretty serious matter.
And using the excuse of “if they werent partying up there, they would have someonewhere else” is just that, an excuse and a really poor one at that.
Awww…The Show Ring…I’m sure I saw you there back in the day since you are my age, but how many times did 8 ambulances have to haul people to the hospitals from there?
Maybe I missed them.
Many ER workers I know love their jobs. It’s called “Emergency Room” not “Drink irresponsibly and tie up a bed for 12-24 hours to dry out.” That’s not an emergency. I’m all for college students having a little ‘fun’ but not at the expense of a whole lot of other people who have to put up with being puked on, yelled at, or worse just because the kids are entitled to have a little ‘fun.’ It’s not ‘fun’ for those who have to deal with these kids.
You are absolutely correct that it happens elsewhere with other parties, but not at the level it occured during this party.
Oh and ‘church’? I don’t go. It makes me itch.
Sassyfrazz, thanks for the chuckle, and the explanation. I can see now where this might have caused a bigger burden than normal. I can admit when i am wrong, and you sureley know more what the statistics are than I do. I have been down to the ER a few times when my boy got a little out of hand and i gotta say, the people down there are amazing. Even though he was beligerant, they were still very nice with him and with me, so i appreciate that.:)
“UMaine concerts typically have an average of 10 transports per show.”
Define “show.” I’m guessing it doesn’t include anything at the Collins Center for the Arts.
And cite the source of your “10 transports” claim.
I think your capstone course taught you to provide citations.
The Bangor Daily merely reported facts. How is this a bad thing?
and since this student wants to use percentages (.5%, as an example) then the “6 more” transports is a 60% increase in transports over the average of 10 (which is indicated as the number mentioned as the average???)
The cleanup for this show has been very extensive and time consuming as well. Whether UMaine continues with this type of show or not is up to them, but the “hey whatever it’s all good let kids get hammered” attitude will not fair so well in the real world.
I used a percentage to put things in perspective. I’m not trying to get fancy with all my UMaine book learning. What do you mean “its all good let kids get hammered” attitude? We didn’t ever have that attitude planning this concert. What do you mean by the real world? These shows happen all across the nation and are grossing more money than you or I would know what to do with. Is this not the real world? Apparently “your world” is defined by whatever you think to be the truth.
The clean up for this show took 6 hours. While I feel bad for those to had to clean up after the show I’m not sure that we shouldn’t do anything in life simply because its “extensive or time consuming.”
Couldn’t help but notice your ‘grossing more money than we know what to do with’. For who?
The 1%, or the students and school? Maybe for the healthcare workers cleaning paint from the eyes for the ones taking the chance? At least the ones in the front rows of that old, dreadful watermelon smashing comedy act understood that they’d get messy and wore tarps and goggles because they understood what was coming …….
I spoke with a UM admin last week who said the place took a ton of time and “it still wasn’t back to normal” and trust me college is far from the real world (having been in college, degrees earned).
If you put the effort into planning the show, why didn’t you help to clean up after?
Jd2008jd, lets just agree to stop. I could be wrong but it sounds like you work for the university or have a pretty good working knowledge of it. I’m more than willing to meet with you ANYTIME if you want to have this conversation in person. Im done responding to your comments. Were you there the night we were cleaning up? Or were you there the next morning at 6 am? It’s petty and immature so please stop. Thanks.
Sorry JNaboz I don’t work at UMaine. I have a fairly good working knowledge of how public safety works and what the areas available EMS capacity is and what happens when you take 8 ambulances out of the mix.Was I there for clean up? No and from your post it didn’t sound like you were either. So if you were my apologizes.Now who used the “petty and immature” card to end a conversation?
No Im not talking about collins center for the arts shows. The Bangor Symphony orchestra doesn’t really inspire the party mentality that some of our other shows do. I was just talking about the big shows in the Alfond or Field House.
Then you admit that you have deliberately skewed your statistics (for which you haven’t provided a source).
JNaboz what you fail to mention is the 8 Ambulances from 5 different agencies (Old Town-1, Orono-1, UVAC-1, Bangor-2 and Capital-3). When you pull that many trucks from service areas because of excessive drinking, etc…you increase the response time to other calls.
Then we have the increase in patient census at EMMC and St Joes which in turn delayed care to other patients that didn’t attend your event, increased hospital staffing to handle the “standby”, wasted healthcare dollars for the treating of underage drinking, etc…In the words of one medic and one hospital ER employee that I know it was “wall-to-wall vomit” at EMMC.
And who paid for the overtime cost of the 15 police officers and the pay for 40 private security officers? Was it UMaine which means Maine taxpayers or was it you (or some other form of private funding)?UMaine and you should strive for being better than average, not average.
jd2008jd,
The hospitals didn’t have increased hospital staffing as far as I know. I feel for any ER employee that had to deal with the drunk kids at our concert, I really do. I have family members who work in the ER and I can appreciate that some nights are worse than others. Lets be real though, the ER employees do this for a job and if they can handle people on bath salts they can handle some drunk college kids. I think your healthcare spending argument is faulty. We live in a country with the most expensive healthcare in the world. I’m pretty sure there more effective ways we could curb healthcare costs without banning college concerts at UMaine. I find it interesting this is the line of argument you take against the concert.
Additionally, perhaps you don’t understand how concerts work? Let me explain how they work. People buy tickets, revenue is generated, that revenue is used to pay for things like private security and overtime for police officers. Trust me there are many ways that taxpayer dollars our wasted in our state. UMaine’s concerts are not one of them.
In sum, I do strive for being better than average. If I was shooting for mediocrity I would’ve brought a show that generated little controversy and little excitement on campus. If you talk to 99% of the kids who attended this show, they would tell you it was a blast (no pun intended).
Spoken like a person who has never had to deal with a (usually underage) belligerent drunken snot (or 16) in an emergency room setting. Pick up a part-time job with Securitas in an ER and find out how fun it really is.
I think you ought to send a cake to the poor housekeepers who get paid diddly to clean up wall to wall vomit. Btw, they did INDEED have to call in people, and those people went in to assist because some kid decided to get drunk. Really? These people have families and lives of their own.
I sincerely hope you never, ever break your leg during a time that some “fun-loving’ UM student is tying up an emergency room bed drying out from his or her night of “fun” or someone in your family has a medical emergency and the ambulance is tied up.
To all who complain about Emergency Room wait times: This is what you’re waiting for a lot of the time.
Once again, i am assuming that if this wasnt taking place, the ER would not have to deal with drunken people from any OTHER venue, Please, think before you post…This was one event..if it wasnt going on, they would have been partying somewhere else…Lets wake up folks and stop playing the blame game here…They students were in ONE area, being students, and seems they have a GREAT time….too bad the UMO heirarchy cannot see it that way…Robert Dana has been against any student having a good time since he got up there so i am not totally surprised by his response. But the rest of you, obviously you have forgotten what it was like to be 21 and in college or school.
In influx of 14-16 students at one time to the ER in Bangor does tax the system. If you think it doesn’t, i suggest you volunteer with UVAC and learn for yourself.
No, I haven’t forgotten what it was like to be 21 and in college. I didn’t lose control of my drinking and force other people to have to deal with me and my ‘fun.’
Honestly, when people have the attitude of “gee, it’s all in a little fun” and ‘they’d be partying anyway’ it’s a small wonder we have so many young people who think it’s perfectly okay to behave like animals irrespective of how much work it causes others.
Please understand that Emergency workers have to deal with this from many venues, yes, but I can tell you that it’s only getting worse with time, and blase attitudes like yours seems to be isn’t helping the situation any IMO.
I suggest you spend a week shadowing a hospital security guard. You’ll see that the last thing on God’s green earth they need to deal with is a smart-mouthed, drunken punk.
Great posts.
Getting drunk is being a student? What?
Students study; they don’t look for an excuse to get drunk.
Agree, agree, agree.
Far too many of the “students” today in college do not belong there.
What it’s like to be 21 in college? It’s certainly not getting trashed out of my mind and being covered in paint. Also, in my own fun-loving-non-partying-college-student-opinion, Robert Dana is only “against any student having a good time” when it comes to those who can’t follow the rules. I have participated in many organizations on campus in which Dean Dana was an active part. I always had fun, as did all of the other students involved. I think that is an unfair statement. So, apparently, it’s not fun until somebody ends up in the hospital, or in this case, 16 people end up in the hospital. It appears as if I’ve had it wrong the whole time! Ho hum.
With your definition of “being better than average”, please leave Maine after you graduate and spread your garbage somewhere else.
why , yes, no one in maine drinks , or drives , or parties ( kinda wonder what some of the posters did in their youth(if they had one)
pass the allens
So are we to assume JD, that if this party concert was NOT going on, that No partying would be going on elsewhere in the surrounding areas, meaning that the ambulances could all wait at thier respective buildings and make that much faster a response call? Do you honestly believe that? Me thinks the kids at UMO are getting labeled as partying too much when in reality this seems to be a well thought-0ut, well planned venue for the college students and gave them something to do OTHER than get arrested at local bars, fights, or beating up on each other..Yeah i can see how this would be bad….silly me. BTW, has anyone talked to any of the 16 people brought to the hospital to see if they would do it again?, I bet they would…over half anyway.
I guess that is because they did not get taken to jail. I am thinking that is what should have happened . Someone could have died.
And if this had been a fraternity house they would have been closed down!
You mean like they did to my old house a couple of weeks ago? Once I heard the real story from someone who had a front row seat to what really happened, I called the alumni office and instructed them to never call me again for a contribution.
They weren’t happy.
Spent many evenings at your “old house” for different Greek functions. I was sad to see them close the doors, as to the story I only know what I read in the BDN.
Well, closed door, private St. Patty’s party, invites only, all 21 or older. A guest went outside to have a smoke and left the locked door propped open so they could get back in. The 2 minor girls were plastered when they arrived, and snuck in through the open door. One boasted that they were on ecstasy, and were also seen drunk at another house earlier.
The chapter President and others, arrived to a lot of commotion on the first floor. The 18 year old was puking and nearly convulsing in the bathroom, and barely coherent. The 17 year old was found on the 3rd floor, completely incoherent, to the point they thought she was dead.
They immediately called the police, who then called the ambulance. A breath test on the 18 year old revealed a level of 0.215. One of the major effects of that alcohol level is the inability to remember anything. Which begs the question: If so, how can they accurately describe what happened to them? Once they were sobered up, they would not remember a thing.
And the Dean of Students hung the fraternity out to dry for doing the right thing.
Nothing like the BDN reported! I don’t ever remember us having any issues at the house. Everyone behaved like perfect gentlemen and good fun was had by all. Hope the alumni can keep the house and recolonize when the suspension is over.
Of course you wouldn’t get the real story, the BDN only reported what they were told. How come they didn’t demand a look at the police report, with the names of the girls redacted?The University had to swat a fly with a bazooka in order to avoid any legal repercussions from either of the girls’ families.
I’m glad you had fun at the NU, and yes, we are nothing but perfect gentlemen! What’s the adjective my wife uses? Oh yeah, “disgusting”.
And by the way, we blew through 34 kegs of beer at my senior class send off party. A record that still stands, and we didn’t lose anybody!
JeffCol I have worked in public safety for better than 25 years so I can state with some authority that to have 8 ambulances from 5 different agencies in one area for one event is extremely rare.
Between “Chickenfest” (or whatever it was called) and this event it sounds like the UMaine student body is earning the label.
UMO doesn’t exist.
I worked on the UMaine ambulance for four years, graduating in 2010, and worked MANY, MANY concerts and events. I can tell you that we NEVER had ten transports from a single event (let alone 16), so you may want to consider the source of your facts…
Thank you.
What concerts did you work? Im not talking about shows at the CCA or some of student entertainment’s more tame shows. You’re lucky you didnt have to work bumstock. Im told our paint concert doesnt even compare to the insanity that used to occur on campus.
So much for you and the students attending to be proud of . (sarcasm intended)
What I’m wondering is how much Student Government money was spent on supplying the artists/DJs with booze? What JNaboz failed to mention is that the Student Government spent over $3,000 dollars (student “fees”) on booze to get Girl Talk (a past artist) to even show up at UMaine. How do I know? The members of your illustrious organization can’t keep their mouth shut.
Well maybe next time the Student goverment can get together and spend 3 grand on a poetry reader or someone to come up and bake cookies, or sing campfire songs…Lets see how many people show up to that ok…LMFAO!!!!
fresh baked cookies? i’m totally in
So you cannot have a good time without getting your “buzz on”?
Actually Jd, i havnt gotten my “Buzz on” as you so eloquently put it, in about 15 years…i never was a big fan of the hangover, but i can at least understand why these people enjoy it…maybe you never got to experience that..I would suggest you buy yourself a six pack and give it a try before you chastize everyone else for it.
The post was not directed at you Jeff…it was a general comment that still is waiting for an answer. Are you serious in stating that a person cannot have a good time without having a chemically induced “buzz”?
Right again JD, and i am proof of that. I spend a lot of weekends at friends house having BBQs and watching them get plastered while i am drinking Ice Coffee from Dunkins. I still have an awesome time…so yeah, its very possible..I am 44 though, not sure you could win the argument with me when i was 21
I guess in your opinion it’s better to encourage kids to become druggie, alcoholic losers.
That is what college is all about…. PARTY!!!!
No, not at all but i am realistic enough to understand that it DOES happen…and ya know what…many still graduate with degrees and go on to grow up and become just LIKE YOU…a self absorbed SOB
I think most of the “students” attending events like this have already are “self absorbed SOBs”.
Student Government is a non-profit that isn’t allowed to purchase booze. Sounds like you have something against student government. Anyone remotely connected to the organization knows that student government doesnt spend a dime on booze. Where do people come up with this crap?
More likely they were actually proud of it.
cute post and some good points, but you have a lot left to learn. Much of your post reflects what is done in many concert settings and also reports things that “kids” shouldn’t be doing. The article doesn’t go into much detail, but I would guess that of the 16, none were life threatening. Since they are young and still immature, with some experience and thicker skin these same people would probably just go home and sleep it off, wash out their eyes, etc.
Anytime you have a person so drunk they need to be transported to a hospital it is life threatening. Alcohol poisoning, passing out and puking then suffocating in their own puke…surely I don’t need to go on.
Maybe you dont need to go on, but you most suredly need to wake up. When is the last time you read in this newspaper or another someone suffocating in their own vomit? How about alchohol poisoning? Since my brother passed away of that very thing in 1987, i can assure you that there has been exactly ONE STORY in this newspaper of that happening….ONE…so get off your high horse and stop overdramatizing something that just plain doesnt exist…You are obviously watching way too much 700 club and Dr. Drew
I believe there was a UMaine student that died from that very thing 2 or 3 years ago.
And why can’t you make a point without launching into personal attacks of other posters?
Your right JD, i do tend to get heated about something when i post passionately about a subject that is close to me. I apologize for that. I just dont understand why some people that post on here cannot look at both sides of the story. We live in a state that already tries to control everything we do, and i guess i just cant understand why people cannot seem to remember when they were young and dumb…I know i sure can.
http://compelledtoact.com/Tragic_listing/Main_listing_victims.htm This list is only college students that have died. And you might do some research before being a behind.
Nationwide since 2004 or before, i have read the article before. Thanks for referencing it. I dont see where it pertains to my post. In the state of MAINE, i cannot recall, one instance, in a very long time. Sassyfrazz is right, many families will not indicate a cause of death if it happened at home. I can agree with that. However, if we are to compare apples to oranges here, there have been far more young adults, teenagers and alike, killed because of texting as opposed to alchohol poisoning. As for being a behind, well i will not deny that either..have been known to be before, sorry for the attack though, JD was right, didnt need to make this personal.
I’m sorry you lost your brother.
There are many that aren’t reported. The obituaries will often read “died unexpectedly” for overdose (be it alcohol or drugs). Some families do not want that disclosed, and the newpapers will respect it.
Most that have lived here for years know the Bangor Daily News as the “Bangor Deadly”. Everything is spun to high drama to make up for an otherwise pretty quiet lifestyle here.
The BDN is what it is. Declining readership, they feel they need to scream louder and louder than years before to attract attention.
Carry on.
Looks like Dean (Dana) Werner is at it again…fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.
I was one of the three thousand students to attend this concert and I had a great time!! Upon arrival I was asked to put my cigarettes back in my car, I was asked to walk the line, I was wanded with a medal detector and I found the environment very safe. Everywhere you go there will be kids drinking in a college town. The University does as much as they can to discourage drinking and smoking! The University can’t control every student that goes into a concert drunk, it’s impossible. Chances are these kids who had to take an EVAC were drinking and doing drugs well before this concert, they may have been taken to the hospital during the same day but who’s to say that they wouldn’t have been brought to the hospital for these reasons anyway? It’s up to a STUDENT to be responsible enough to not binge drink or do drugs, this is COLLEGE, you need to be responsible of how you conduct yourself. The University is not your parent and if you need to be supervised at a campus event you are probably not mature enough to even be in college. We are all 18+ and we should be acting like adults not animals. With that said, JNaboz, I really appreciate all the hard work you did for this event. I had a really great time and I felt very safe, I felt that staff was well prepared and most of all respectful.
be glad the show even was approved to happen. try getting a “hip hop” act … the “insurance fees” are outrageous.
Of all the kids drinking how many were charged? I mean in real numbers . Look if you have to take kids to the hospital because they drank too much the numbers must be in the 100s My guess . Guess that will be swept under the rug.
Look at it this way if a person in a car can hit a motorcycle an not be charges than the kids should not be charged
If the Brownville mother can get 5 years because she let kid drink . Then these kids who are probably much more educated than her . Should at the very least get probation and community service for breaking the law. They should know better . She probable has some serious mental health issues and was not educated . I am not saying i have not dome anything wrong In my life but when caught I paid the price for being foolish. Set some examples and you will find kids on better behavior or out of school. Why should I pay taxes for these kids to get an education when I did not get one . No respect .
You are so uneducated in the facts you try to present… Clearly someone bitter towards a generation that you helped crate.
Tell me all about the Facts. I would like to learn
There was child endangerment issue in brownville as well as narcotics present. Hence the harder penalty. Plus you can’t compare middle school age kids to college age when it comes to having a beer here and there.
No narcotics at Day glow? I think not . The law is 21 for drinking . Now that being said I think 5 years was a bit much but to totally overlook underage drinking is just as bad. These college kids have the mental maturity of middle school kids from the post i see on here they can not do 6th grade math. Ok lets give them 2 years . I would bet $100 if MR. Almay and the police put is much work into this case we could have at least 100 in jail. I am just say they got the booze somewhere . I do not think the other case the woman should be doing 5 years by any means but my point is why are they not even getting probation . Oh the age difference . Where dose it say in the LAW it is OK for 17 or 18 year olds to drink???? Where those young kids rushed to the hospital? No . These kids were . Just saying the law applies differently for some. Someone Bought the BOOZE . Do your job police and DA.
When there is a performance on campus, where most of the students are under 21, there should be no one being taken to the hospital because of ‘alcohol’. More importantly, no one should be taken to the hospital because of the performance itself. So, no matter how much you defend the numbers(16 out of 3000 vs 10 out of 3000). There should be ‘zero’ tolerance for this kind of behavior on the part of the ‘students’, or ‘university’, when it comes to alcohol consumption. To know that these performances have, in the past, caused such a problem. The university should have thought twice about even allowing ‘Dayglow’ to perform under any circumstance. This is a two party problem and the headline is not even the focal point of the story.
Dehydration and asthma are not causes to ban a show. Also getting paint in their eyes seems a trivial thing to complain about, maybe a eye wash station would have been handy. Alcohol is a personal choice, not a group choice, punish the ones that caused the problems not the rest of the kids.
Let’s do a little more analysis. Of the 16 transports, how many were fatalities? How many were life threatening injuries? Serious injuries? None.
They were, as quoted from the article, “Their medical problems ranged from excessive alcohol consumption and
dehydration to asthma and getting paint in their eyes, Dana said.”
From this we know that not ALL of them were alcohol related. Dehydration, Asthma and Paint-in-the-Eye were also other cases besides alcohol consumption. So of these cases, how many were actually alcohol related? Well, we won’t know for sure but the point here is that people jump to conclusions and make unreasonable assumptions.
While one often associates the phrase hospital transport with words such as “fatal”, “deadly” and “serious” we can also associate hospital transports with non-life threatening injuries and staying on the side of caution.
Having gone to many concerts around the nation and also being in attendance to this one, my “expert” opinion was this was well controlled and quite timid. Perhaps some people here should visit some of the culture-shock concerts that can be found in our neighboring states to the South.
Also, quite clearly many of you haven’t seen the beginning of the school year where there are many hospital transports due to alcohol overdose (And aren’t related to concerts). This is a result of under-education and suppression of an underground culture that forces people into dangerous behaviors (Such as binge drinking). And yes, I understand drinking is a choice that no one is forced into doing but social pressure is a powerful force on a young person struggling to fit in. Compare the amount of hospital transports of 18 year olds to that of 21 year olds and you will see quite a difference.
Kids will always drink and party, and the sooner we realize this and change the laws to reflect a more responsible learning model, (IE lowering the drinking age to encourage education through learned experience and proper guidance at a younger age) the sooner we will reduce these risks. Then you could sell alcohol at concerts which creates an economic disincentive to drink that much (IE $6 beers) while fulfilling a social need to “fit-in”.
“IE lowering the drinking age to encourage education through learned experience and proper guidance at a younger age”
Charles it was tried and it didn’t work.
But that same 18 year old is competent and educated enough to lose his life for his country and vote?
and drive a motor vehicle, and work with dangerous equipment
Competent and educated have nothing to do with chronological age. In my position, I get to see first hand the maturity level of 18, 19 and 20 year olds. For the most part the are lacking direction in life, have a great deal to learn about the ways of the world and think FaceBook is about showing that they are “mature” by posting photos of them drinking.
Maybe the best thing we could do for our young IS to re-institute the draft with no deferments.
Yes and no. Many of the European countries have a mandatory 2 year service. When I lived in Italy, the military branch you served in was dictated by the month you were born. Was it a bad thing? I served after getting my college degree and I will say that the difference between the sailors I served with and our Italian counterparts was attitude. The Italians were marking time till they could begin their life, the Americans had chosen this path and were more dedicated (again my perception). As a sorority advisor, I deal with young women between the ages of 17 and 22 at two different college campuses. I also am a mother of a 20 year old college boy. In my humble opinion, the maturity level of the individual depends alot on the home he/she has come from. I raised my son to have high expectations for himself. He has not disappointed…dean’s list student, no alcohol related incidences, never been in trouble and is a respectful, hardworking young man. His future is very bright. I have also seen the opposite side of the coin in both young men and young women. As the president of a collegiate parent’s association, I’ve interacted with parents that are outraged at what the perceive as the school’s failure to “raise” their child. I’ve had parents call screaming about college is a place where kids learn to drink, his grades aren’t bad (really he’s nearly flunking out) I don’t understand why he’s been kicked out….really? I believe that we, as parents, all need to start actually raising our children in our own homes, have high, clearly communicated expectations, and hold them accountable for their own actions instead of trying to shield them from life’s unfairness/inequalities/losing etc. Life isn’t fair but how you react to it can make all the difference…and hard work never hurt anyone.
I agree with much of your post mainegirl it is honest and straightforward and lacking insult (which is a positive thing). So thank you.
In one of my jobs I am a supervisor of anywhere from 3-7 individuals and at times 2-3 of those individuals are 18-19 year old males. My comments are in no way meant (and I should have said as much) to paint all 18-20 year olds with the same brush.
” Perhaps some people here should visit some of the culture-shock
concerts that can be found in our neighboring states to the South.”
As if that is something to be proud of or to emulate.
No I actually do agree with him. A lot of people in Maine (let’s call them older people because usually they are) have this sort of rose-tinted view about things. They think a few people drunk at a concert is “shocking!” There’s such a lack of larger world reality and experience they’re unable to evaluate things like a concert, for example, with a rational viewpoint. A few people out of thousands at a concert got drunk or got something in their eyes…whoop dee freakin’ do, in most any other state that wouldn’t even rate a blurb in the paper let alone a whole article and official response.
Calling these drug and alcohol fueled events a concert is a laugh. And you think that only a “few” people there got drunk? I’ve got a bridge to sell you… Really. In fact I can get you a 3 for the price of 2 deal….
And you think it is rational to encourage young people to engage in self destructive hedonistic behavior.
Maybe leave out the X next time
this is bogus, thousands of people had the time of their life and 60 people are going to ruin the chance of dayglow ever coming back? Seems a tad unfair!!!!
College lesson #1 – Life’s not fair.
College lesson #2 – Poor decisions made by the minority often impact the majority.
Amen!
16 people**
Who paid for this, and how much?
The students. That’s what the activity fee you pay each semester covers (in part). Why were you about to make a snide little “taxpayer money” comment?
Alcohol should just not be allowed at any event. Or, people should not be allowed into events if they are intoxicated. Keep it in the bars or at parties. Leave it out of concerts, sporting events and shows. It does not matter how old you are, it’s that people do not know when enough is enough or how to control themselves. I went to a show where most people were in there 30’s and 40’s and they were some of the most obnoxious people I have ever been around. I just don’t understand why some people get sloppy drunk while at concerts or sporting events. If your life is so messed up that you need to be wasted to enjoy yourself at an event like that, I feel sorry for you.
I would just like to state that UVAC had 28 members dedicated to this this event and covering the campus. We staffed field teams, a triage/treatment area and 2 Paramedic Level Transporting Ambulances.I would like to thank our Mutual Aid Partners who came and helped us out, Orono FD (2 Ambulances and 1 Fire Engine), Old Town Fire/Rescue (1 Ambulance), Capital Ambulance (3 Ambulances), Bangor FD (1 Ambulance).
At this time UVAC maintain a roster of over 70 staff members, 85% are student volunteers for the service, the rest are Alumni members.
Thanks for the hard work and for clarifying the ambulance staffing. I was under the impression that Bangor Rescue 1 and 5 were sent but I now see that info is incorrect.
well after watching this video why in the heck would anyone want to be subjected to this show umm maybe its me but if someones spraying paint in my face thats not really fun , but just my 2 cents , but it is bad to have all area ems units tied to one show heaven forbid we had a bus wreck on rt 9 or an airplane crash at bia . but hope they had fun :)
BIA is in Bangor. Bangor EMS had nothing to do with Dayglow.
Bangor Rescue 1 and Rescue 5 were both dispatched to UMaine to transport patients to EMMC and St Joes. Capital sent 3 ambulance. UVAC had one on site and Old Town and Orono both sent 1.
i am laughing at you maine
your state is truly the laughing stock of the united states on so many levels from welfare dependency to sex offenders to young criminals to drunks
Better look closely at the mirror, MASS.
This coming from Mass?……….priceless.
Blows my mind…
When was the last time you spent some time in Lowell, Lawrence or Holyoke? There are countless others as well. I rather be ANYWHERE in Maine than those scumholes. Stay in Mass-ole.
“Lynn, Lynn the city of sin where no one comes out the way they went in”
Considering a lot of out of state students at UMaine come from Massachusetts what is the point you’re trying to get across?
I’m usually the first to agree my home state is a joke, but in this case I have to agree with the undersigned. I went to UMaine (only graduated a few years ago too) and there was sort of a campus “joke” that Maine was the New England state with the fewest representatives at the school. It’s kind of true too, it seems like well over half the people I met were from Mass, VT, New York, and tons from (oddly enough) Rhode Island.
Let’s just wait and see how many whacked out nut jobs are arrested at the July 2 concert before we start casting aspersions on these young people. Underage drinking hmmmmmmmm let’s see…….. you can join the military and die for your country at 17 but can’t have a beer until your 21. In 1972 the age was lowered to 18, if memory serves me. Did not matter to me as I was already over 21 by then. But there seems to be hypocrisy when you are able to kill and die for your country but not able to have a beer. Yes, it is ludicrous, when you compare the two.
You can also go to jail for 5 years letting underage people drink. Look at the case of the Brownville mother not to long ago. So why is you did not say anything about her case . Let the law apply the same to all and send who ever bought the booze to jail 5 years. How do you like that?
I just got so pumped up watching that video.
Just for a reference, how many people get sent for medical care from a Waterfront concert of 5,ooo-10,000 people. Was this more a result of immature underage college students not understanding their limits? Were the underage students cited for their illegal activity?
Justified immaturity and also downplaying the costs and risks too of this poor decision by umaine administration to allow this waste of resources !
Drunk Why don’t the police do thier job and arrest underage drinkers? I am thinking if I had underage people at my house drinking I would be in jail. That is the real problem if every time they saw someone underage drinking the got arrested I think the under age foolishness would end.
You can’t arrest someone underage just for drinking, that would be an illegal arrest. It is only a civil violation which results in a fine. Secondly there is no way you could keep up with a crowd in the numbers of 3000+.. Almost every drinks underage, its just college kids having fun. Relax.
I think It Is called disorderly conduct. Yes it may be hard to prove. But I would bet that would be enough to search someone if the were suspected of being drunk. I know some of these kids smoke weed . Someone supplied the alcohol . Its the law . College is all fun and games . That is the problem with kids today. Why should my tax dollars go to pay for kid that do not take education seriously? Seems to me if kids were not in college doing the same things they would be in jail.
No its not called disorderly conduct. Disorderly conduct is based upon a person actions and has nothing to do with “public intoxication”. Maine does not have a drunk in public statute. You can be hammered and as long as you aren’t causing an issue you’re good to go. The most it would be would be Possession of Alcohol by a minor. Civil infraction.
Shameless you Mainers and your state college.
Here is my opinion:
EVERY THING that comes out of UMaine is about drugs,booze, drugs, booze.
Here are other opinions:
“UMaine ranked 4th on website’s ‘druggiest colleges’ in the country list”
http://mainecampus.com/2010/12/13/umaine-ranked-4th-on-websites-druggiest-colleges-list/
Right, no other big schools have drug and alcohol issues.. Common now. 16 out of 3000 injured? most were ankle injuries from dancing and stumbling around. No news here..
outrageous MASSACHUSETTS. I am a graduate of UMaine, and am damn proud of it. There are tens of thousands of successful graduates of UMaine, myself included. I live in Boston now and work at a major medical center, but Maine is, and always will be my home. Your post proves your ignorance, so if that was your intent, congratulations.
Wasn’t it UMass-Anherst that had a riot when the Giants beat the Pats last February? Isn’t UMass-Amherst always ranked in the Top 10 “party” schools?
He is what Huff Post College says about UMass Amherst – “…the eager and over-excitable Scooby Doo is based on the eager and over-excitable students at the University of Massachusetts – Amherst. And students here have been known to live up to their Scooby-like reputation, with rowdy parties and students who enthusiastically seek out a good time. “The town is small, but the bar scene is really good for college kids.” “There is always a party and the opportunity to go out.” Unlike some other schools on this list where the sports teams regularly take home trophies, there are sports at UMass, but students report they’re mostly used as an excuse to drink.”
I think you have enough problems to take care of before you look north to Maine.
And as is always the case, when you speak in superlatives “EVERY THING….” you are always wrong.
Ossifer, I’m not drunk, I’m “hyperexuberant”
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^ Look at all the kids behaving like heathens, and all those dirty student volunteers who worked so hard to provide a show for the students. How can we allow this sort of thing to continue!?
That kind of post is going to help your cause. Not. Respond with information and you keep teaching and showing that you have the potential to be a good promoter for events. Respond with anger and you lose all ground.
He is just showing his real character.
Listen to all of you squabble on these posts! To the older generation: Although times have changed, people have been partying since before even you were born (hard to imagine), and partying isn’t going to cease anytime soon. With that being said, they way you talk on this post makes it seem as if more people from this generation party than did yours. If that is so, even though it is not, who is really to blame? This generation? Or the generation that raised us? I have an even better idea, go on with your day and stop worrying about conflicts that aren’t going to be resolved by you posting annoyingly on BDN.com
As a student at UMaine, I pay $20,000 a year to attend. I take my studies seriously and rarely drink. I was 100% sober at DayGlow and had an awesome time. I am so thankful that I could get some much needed relief from the stress of final projects and exams. The idea of fun for the majority of my friends, including myself, is dancing around to loud music with a bunch of other college students our age. It was fun. I think that all students deserve some controlled fun. It was also Maine Day. That means that many students were drinking all day long and finished off their day with the paint party. Am I in the wrong for wanting to have a good time while I’m in college?
If you get anything in your eyes, DO NOT GO TO THE ER. Vision Care of Maine has a 24 hour service and will CORRECTLY take care of your eyes. All MDs are NOT Ophthamologists and DO NOT properly take care of these issues.
Also, a concert has nothing to do with idiots who drink too much. Paint in the eyes? Sure. Being stupid and not knowing your limits? That’s your own problem.
So instead of providing organized entertainment opportunities, lets just have everybody go to house parties instead? That would be SO much safer…. (yes, I am being facetious)
After reading many post and responses here it just amazes on the level of stupidity I see. JNaboz’s jobs was to put a show on for the students and he did that. Yes, people did get transported to the hospital and that is something that is going to happen at a COLLEGE. These kids didn’t get drunk just for Dayglow lets be honest here if they weren’t getting drunk and going to the concert then they were getting drunk at a frat, in their dorm, or at the brew. You cannot prevent people from drinking before going to a show like Dayglow. As for the EMT situation, I’m sure the University thanks all the surrounding towns for providing EMT services. Next time we have a show like this well make not to ask any EMT’s to come and see how that goes. If there was a real emergency and they needed to leave they would have have left and UVAC would have continued their work. If you don’t like the way the concert was handled then to bad because the students loved it. Next year will make sure to get Simon and Garfunkel and go around the all the dorms before the show and make sure nobody is drinking. If anybody shows up drunk they will be kicked out of school on the spot and arrested. Its college if you expected more out of college then I really bad for you.
Ah Jacob once an ambulance has been dispatched to a call they cannot divert to another call under any circumstances…in legal terms it is called Patient Abandonment.
All U Maine sports programs should be cancelled because of the possibility of injuries. All events of any kind will be discontinued because students could show up drunk. Stay in your houses people. Also, if you were unfortunate enough to be sent to war, you are superior to everybody.
Perfect summay of the comments on this page. Anyone else who is reading you can stop here.
I wonder where all these “adults” parked their high horses? I’m a 22 year old, newly graduated student of UMaine. I drank on campus in dorm rooms, at frats, at house parties, etc. I’ve spent a couple of nights with my head in the toilet. It happens, a fact of life. How many of you “adults” can honestly say you’ve never been sick from drinking (assuming you drink) ever in your entire life?
Don’t act like you’re better than these kids who have been stressed out all semester and finally get a chance to relax, have fun and do what the Stein Song says, DRINK. Making memories, friends, and stupid decisions are all parts of growing up.
I learned a very valuable lesson when I was elementary school, when you point your finger at someone you have three pointing back at you. Let us grow up and make mistakes without being subjected to your not-so humble opinions.
I wonder where all these “adults” parked their high horses? I’m a 22 year old, newly graduated student of UMaine. I drank on campus in dorm rooms, at frats, at house parties, etc. I’ve spent a couple of nights with my head in the toilet. It happens, a fact of life. How many of you “adults” can honestly say you’ve never been sick from drinking (assuming you drink) ever in your entire life?
Don’t act like you’re better than these kids who have been stressed out all semester and finally get a chance to relax, have fun and do what the Stein Song says, DRINK. Making memories, friends, and stupid decisions are all parts of growing up.
I learned a very valuable lesson when I was elementary school, when you point your finger at someone you have three pointing back at you. Let us grow up and make mistakes without being subjected to your not-so humble opinions.
I wonder how this show compares to a GWAR show… fake blood sprayed liberally… but its not held on campus, rather at the small club on the outskirts.