BANGOR, Maine — A pedestrian was killed in a hit-and-run crash on Main Street in Bangor late Saturday night, and police are looking for information about the vehicle involved or its occupants.
The male victim’s identity has not yet been released.
The Bangor Police Department’s criminal investigation division is working the case, Bangor police Lt. Tom Reagan said Sunday afternoon. Reagan said he isn’t aware of any suspects or arrests in the case, but that police are following up on a number of tips.
“We’re getting a lot of calls,” Reagan said.
The accident happened just across the street from Saturday night’s Waterfront Concert featuring the Zac Brown Band. The show ended around 11:15 p.m., about 45 minutes after the vehicle struck the pedestrian.
Edwards said early Sunday that “there is no indication” that the victim was a patron at the concert.
Police are trying to find the vehicle involved in the hit-and-run, Bangor police Sgt. Paul Edwards said. As of Sunday morning, he said police were acting on information that a small or midsize, white or light-colored sedan was traveling toward Bangor’s downtown on Main Street in the left-hand lane at the entrance to Shaw’s Supermarket when it struck the man around 10:30 p.m.
Police suspect that the vehicle may have received front-end damage to its hood and windshield.
Anyone who witnessed the accident and has information about the vehicle involved in the hit-and-run or its occupant or occupants should call Bangor police at 947-7382. Callers can remain anonymous by pressing 6 to use the department’s tip line.
Detective Larry Morrill is lead investigator on the case, according to Edwards.
Someone needs to come forward. It was hopefully just an accident and the family of the victim deserves closure.
The ultimate act of a COWARD! In a lot of cases the person could be helped. I hope who ever you are you are caught.
Absolutely! Anyone who drives away after hitting someone, even if it was accidental, should face the same severity of charges as someone who had done it on purpose. The driver is a murderer as far as I’m concerned.
A murderer? So you think the driver fully intended to travel Main St so they could hit a person crossing the street in the dark? You prove my point of why someone might leave the scene. People no longer think, they only act.
So what would you call them?
I wouldn’t call them anything. What would you call them?
Murder is the taking of another persons life in a pre-meditated fashion. Unless the driver knew who he was about to run over, then purposefully ran them over, then he/she is not a murderer. Vehicular manslaughter. Call it for what it is.
Vehicular manslaughter is when a driver accidentally hits a pedestrian and they die.
Yes, this is what happened here, but the driver also showed
his/her complete disregard for the pedestrian’s life when they chose to drive
away instead of stopping, calling 911, and offering whatever assistance they could. That’s a lot more
than just a Vehicular Manslaughter charge in my book.
It’s still not murder. Yes, it was the wrong thing to do. Yes, it was a total disregard for human life, but it is not murder if you agree or not. Your book isn’t the law and way it is written. Any way you want to direct the situation, it is involuntary manslaughter with a motor vehicle. Yeh, the person was a douchbag to leave.
whatever floats your boat…………………………….yawn.
As you correctly point out, it’s not murder to accidentally hit someone. However, if you hit someone and then leave the scene without checking to see if they are still alive and calling 911 or offering assistance, then your deliberate act of leaving may well have been their last chance at surviving your accidental act. It’s your conscious decision to leave the scene, after hitting them and realizing that they are in dire need of immediate medical help, that makes it no better than murder.
i believe your incorrect, when they left the scene knowing for a fact that someone had been seriously injured, they entered murder statue…
I think murder includes intent to kill, and manslaughter is without intent.
great stuff
dianne1 did not say they intended to hurt anyone. She said that anyone who DRIVES AWAY should face the same severity of charges as someone who had done it on purpose.
There is nothing specific in the article about whether this was a witnessed accident, or if someone found him after some time had passed. Had the driver stopped, things MAY have turned out differently. 911 may have been called quicker, the victim taken to the hospital quicker, and possibly have lived. By fleeing the scene, the driver chose not to contribute to aiding this individual, and that may have been the final contributing factor to this man’s death.
I’m not saying I agree or disagree with dianne1, just saying that I can understand why her opinion is such.
Before anyone jumps on me about the fact that they have a rough vehicle description and that the driver was in the turn lane for Shaw’s so there MUST have been a witness, it doesn’t say HOW the police got that information. It COULD have been a witness, OR it could have been from area surveillance cameras. We just don’t know the answer to that.
Thank you jemileesmom.
Did I say that the driver deliberately drove down Main street so they could hit someone? NO I DID NOT. Stop trying to put your own spin on what my post is saying.
So you think that it’s OK for a driver to run away after hitting someone (accidentally or not) and leaving them to die? “Oh yes judge, I was justified in driving away after I hit that man because I was worried that society would blame me for the accident if I called 911 and offered assistance.” Ridiculous.
Anyone who DELIBERATELY DRIVES AWAY after they have hit a pedestrian is NO BETTER THAN A MURDERER in my book. Maybe if the driver had stopped and provided as much assistance as possible (You know – like calling 911? Duhhh) the injured man may have had a chance to live. The driver’s COWARDICE and utter refusal to help may have resulted in the death of that poor man (if he wasn’t killed instantly from the impact). The driver made the choice to take away any chance, no matter how remote, that the pedestrian may have survived if he had received immediate medical help. I call it utter distain for a human life, which to me no better than a murderer.
It doesn’t take much “thinking” on my part to come to this conclusion. Maybe it’s because I have a soul, and a brain.
Right. It’s called “depraved indifference”.
weather they intended to hit the person on purpose or not is not why they should face murder, their actions AFTER the accident is why they should. had they instantly stopped and called 911, they very well could have saved his life… so yes i do think they should be charged with at the least 2nd degree murder
no intent even if they were drunk.
let law enforcement and judge and jury decide this case, we all don’t know enough about it. very unfortunate situation for anyone.
Yes. Exactly. Liked.
I agree to committ murder intent is needed. See the passion of the mob already hung this man/woman.. All because they themselves were trumatized an ran.
no the person didnt intend to drive down main street and kill someone, but the murder part comes in when he or she drove away. if they had stopped and tried to do some thing it would of been an accident, but yes when you intentionally drive away it does change the status.
WABI news just reported they have found the car and the driver.
What’s will all the killings and robberies in Bangor, Geeish!
Maybe they know that justice is pretty slow in the Queen City these days – just ask Ralph Greenleaf’s friends and family. And we haven’t seen an arrest yet in the recent killing on First Street, either.
Well the concert series draws thousands and being a person that was there with his wife and daughter it was pure unorganized crap! People smoking weed- urinating on the grass- and beer flowing everywhere -fighting in the crowds (just a few) not bad given thousands of people-I suppose…some people were running in the streets infront of cars even( not saying this man did in any way what so ever)….. not that I am saying anything is wrong with weed and drinking cause to each their own..but not my idea of a controlled crowd
So you’re immediately laying blame on the guy who was killed? Not cool.
no not at all and I will re- word my comments
If a person walked out into traffic, yes they are fair game. Period. Do you want to see that happen? Of course not. If the driver left the road to hit the man, then the driver is to blame. This has nothing to do with anything going on at the waterfront. That is ridicolous. That is a busy street which is exactly what a vibrant area is. So sorry about this man losing his life over what was obviously an accident, but why was he in that situation to begin with? There is several pubs nearby and drunks wander into traffic sometimes, and sometimes can be hit. We don’t know if this victim was drunk, or just out for a walk. But we do know now that the driver was not connected to the concert. Don’t know that situation fully here yet, but plenty of people in Bangor (awesome) and once in awhile something will happen on any day of the week. Lift rock and come out to play!
So now you suspect the person killed was maybe drunk and how do you know for sure he was not in a crosswalk? and let me ask you if your going up Main St by Shaws and Patten Street -does every street have a cross walk to make it up Main Street? such as from the new Arena to the Irving Station is there a cross walk? or from the chinese restraunt by the interstate on ramp to go under the bridge heading towards Hampden..how does one get up Main Street? Maybe we should not patronize these businesses on foot? if we are all fair gamed. Point is you do not know maybe the driver was drunk and ran up over the sidewalk? mayhbe this man was in a crosswalk ..maybe this man was not…regardless it is not the point ..right now his death has nothing to do with the concert in which your so concerned about…as others witnessed and agreed here and some did not….it was a mess at the waterfront last night. my opinion
Others are saying that the drunks were thrown to the streets, assuming that it was a drunk that wandered into traffic. Others are suggesting that a drunk drove from the concert. Others are assuming this was created by the concert. I am defending only. There is no crosswalk where this man got hit. That is the facts. So, that means that someone was not in the crosswalk, and someone did not see him. Other than the fact that I know, I was there at the concert and there at the end. This situation was caused by a vehicle heading INTO town while the mass exodus happens after that. After that…. (whispers: after that). (tonight when more news comes out we will know more) (whispers again: after that.. INTO town)
Have the voices whispering in your head considered the possibility that the driver was at the concert, lives north of downtown, but parked south of the concert and left a little early to beat the mad exodus?
I was waiting for someone else to do the math!!
How is a hit and run “obviously an accident” I’m just curious…
it’s probably an accident that turned into a crime by running, what do you think?
I quote you:
So sorry about this man losing his life over what was obviously an accident
As far as I am concerned a hit and run is immediately beyond the point of an accident and is classifed a crime.
But since you seem to think pedestrians are fair game and you are on the drivers side anyways there really is no sense in any of us trying to reason with you.
Wow, you sound like you own the Waterfront Concerts, sooooo defensive. I didn’t see anyone say that it was the concerts’ fault, of course it isn’t. But anywhere there is an event that brings in a large crowd there is a higher possibility of accidents, that is just common sense. If I was driving through Bangor last night I would have been extra careful and would have been driving extra slow! I didn’t attend last nights concert but have attended quite a few here and I haven’t seen any better crowd control here than anywhere else. As a matter a fact one year I attended a concert at Gillette Stadium, after a few fights in the crowd, they shut down ALL alcohol sales for the rest of the night, I can only imagine how much money they lost out on, but it was the responsible thing to do, I wasn’t happy at the time but I completely respect their decision to prioritize safety over money.
You are paranoid. If you can’t take the city, stay in the countryside. Your seat won’t be empty. :)
Huh? Paranoid? Not sure what you mean, nothing in my comment indicates paranoia, or that I prefer the countryside. I simply compared the “crowd control” at the Waterfront Concerts, which you insist is stellar, to the crowd control that I have experienced at, it isn’t any better. I have been to concerts all over New England, many of them, and and from MY experience I have found that the larger venues actually have a bit better better crowd control…perhaps the larger establishments have more money to spend on security, who knows. I will continue to attend concerts at the waterfront, as I always have. No one has come out and said that it is the fault of the concert, what people are saying is many people were drunk and obnoxious, people were crossing the street everywhere, a lot of traffic, drug use and an out of control crowd, NONE of those things are the fault of the “concert” itself. It wouldn’t have mattered if it was a concert, baseball game or whatever…….It looks like people are just stating what their observations were last night in that area of town. Your reaction is sooo strange, like it is a personal attack on you that you have to defend. Your continuing denial that any of the other patrons observations of what they witnessed last night, or at other concerts borders on delusional! Of course people are going to talk about the concert since it happened right next to the concert, if it had happened next to the Bangor Mall on Black Friday, people would be commenting on the traffic, the mobs, the stores etc…..
You are NOT “fair game” if you attempt to cross the road where there is no crosswalk. Drivers always have the obligation to avoid hitting anything in the road in front of them, whether it’s supposed to be there or not.
I hope/assume that the concert promoters or organizers didn’t hire you to defend them or to be their spokesperson? You’re not doing them any favors in any of the BDN posts I’ve seen. You could do them a BIG favor if you just deleted all of your posts on this subject and remained mum. Nobody can legitimately yet put any blame on the concert for this unfortunate incident, and when we all find out more of the actual circumstances it will become more clear to all of us what actually happened and who is to blame, but having someone associated with the concert adamantly maintaining that pedestrians outside of crosswalks are “fair game” to run over in your car is NOT the sort of thing that is apt to endear the concert series to the voting citizens of Bangor.
In no way do I work for Waterfront Concerts, I do support however. But I also support every other thing going on in Bangor. I defend false assumptions and you will find my posts in the hundreds in every sector. Nice try though.
Also, if it is the obligation to avoid everything in the road then why do I find wildlife everywhere that used to walk at some point? In case you have not been educated, a crosswalk is where you cross traffic. But also, only when the hand is green (check color chart for what green looks like). What you do is use your brain. When travelling in a city that is busy with events, you slow down and pay attention. Simple math for you. If you are a pedestrian and you choose to ignore the law to walk in a cross walk your are jaywalking. So, that means you void your warranty. Understand? That may or may not be a driver’s fault. Now if the driver drives off, then of course that voids his warranty and then becomes only a warrant. K?
It will be interesting to see how many arrests were made related to the show. One of my business associates was a veteran border guard who was hired to head up security at Phish and Grateful Dead concerts in upstate NY and Vt in the 80’s and 90’s…. according to him …the first year was easy… after that was a security nightmare with exactly what you relate… inside the remote venues and in the nearby communities.
I do not understand why it has to be at the “waterfront” it is conjested there already, look at the deal the concert series made with Scarborough Downs they are having it at the remote track. I am ALL for the concert series but after attending the show I think that some serious thought needs to be given to the location. (just my opinion)..it really does not matter to me because my family will not be attending again…this is NO PLACE FOR KIDS
The concert series does write on their website who the show is suitable, a lot of them do infer it is for all ages, which I guess could be extremely misleading, especially if one has not been to a concert before in the area and doesn’t know what to expect.
Big Time Rush is coming to the waterfront, that will bring a lot of kids out, I hope that the BPD and the event organizers figure out a good way to keep things under control, and with the traffic in the area, before we read about a bunch of children being killed.
My condolences to the family who lost a loved one last night. I hope they find who was driving the car and justice is served.
Your correct and I am pleased to hear that they atleast make an attempt on a web site to recommend a particular concert for children or not. I have been to hundreds of concerts and seen alot but have to admit my wife and I was shocked at some of the behavior we seen.
Of course you have to take in to account there are going to be these types any where you go and people of low moral standards. We are far from prudes or even perfect and like to “raise hell too” in the right setting and surroundings and free of harrassing others.
Shameful is what we witnessed downtown. I hope the person that killed this man is caught and has one wondering was the drive without a license? was he drunk? or just ??? regardless justice should be served to the fullest extent.
Anybody he or she was with that night or any bars he or she was at could be enough to prove intoxication if this is the case. If this is not the case then just plain DUMB and reckless and cruel.
If you keep your child locked in a cage, he/she won’t ever be exposed to the realities of life. The same life that happens when you leave and go pretty much anywhere today. In the fifties, I think we acted that way but I hope we still don’t. That would be pathetic. Our kid heard a swear word at GodSmack, omg!!! OMG!!! lol.
It’s time for your meds again lol
lol
There is always control at every concert. This didn’t happen because of any concert. This is a traffic situation that happens everyday, everywhere. On with the show!
I brought our kid to Mass Chaos with GodSmack and Staind. Does that make you nervous? He had the time of his life. Mosh pits were there and also a well behaved crowd. He was treated good by the bands (given all kinds of stuff) and treated outstanding by the staff, crew and people that surrounded him. Hope this makes you feel better.
I couldn’t careless what you choose to expose your children to. if you think that’s appropriate entertainment for your kids, good for you!
um, nothing bad happened. this is not the fifties… is it? Great experiences are what it is about. I don’t drink, but if people want to drink a little at a show then they should be able to. I doubt at $7 a beer, people were getting that many.. lol
Remote shows do not stimulate the local economy. These shows stimulate the area and local economy. Simple math.
We have gained Best Outdoor Venue in New England for a reason. Three years and many more of outstanding crowd control and safety. This story has nothing to do with Waterfront Concerts. Accidents happen everywhere. A pedestrian was hit and killed several years ago on State Street. Was this connected to the concerts? Just two weeks ago a pedestrian was hit on Broadway, was this connected to the concerts? Wake up and smell your brain.
So what were the Victim and the car downtown for if not the concert??
You seem to know why people are in different areas of Bangor.
It states right in the article that there is no indication the victim was there for the concert.
David… People still do through downtown to go other places when there is a concert. But they should be redirected, ( redirected better). Not everyone goes there for the concert. Yes they could have been going by to hear it, but you can hear it all the way up on Hammond Street too, so it must be to get a glimpse. However there are still establishments open during the concert. For instance Shaw’s stays open there normal hours, and so does Dunkin Donuts. Downtown does not shut down either… I cannot say where the person driving the was coming from or going to because I do not know. What I do know is that until the person is found, and in jail we will never know what really happen. I hope for the family sake the person is found, the truth comes out, and justice is done. Hopefully someone has more that they could tell the police so they can find this car, and its driver.
Did you know that other things have electrical wires going into them for a reason? They are open. Other things have plumbing in Bangor, because there is other things in Bangor. Did you know we have a mall now since we sold the cattle? Did you know we no longer have mule racing so that we could have rabbit races. There is other things too, like the squirrel dunkins downtown. It’s great entertainment and brings people in. So the concerts are not the only thing making traffic on Main Street. Believe it or not people, there is traffic (I sweeeeear) on Main St for other reasons before, after, during every event. It is the craziest thing I have ever seen. Next year, we hope to gain the popular event: FEED THE NAIVE PEOPLE TO THE GORILLAS! This I want to go to… got my tix already!!!
Over the top. Time to stop.
but it’s fun… please one more hour!! lol. seriously though, let’s let law enforcement handle this.
Calm down….its is medication time? LOL how do you know what was concert related or not and actually I do not think this accident has anything to do with the concert..it could happen anywhere and does I agree what happens outside the gate has nothing to do with inside the gate within reason….sure there is going to be an increase of accidents or people being hurt or whatever on the roads more people equal more accidents…BUT that is not the “fault” of the concert or police…its life…so eduate yourself on my initial complaint…inside the gate and the illegal acts taking place and out of control situations I seen…of course PD cant be everywhere at once can they….UNORGANIZED lol But we will go with your thinking if your not in a crosswalk your fair game…=)
My answer ….Follow The $$$$$. The old ” Green Salve ” works well downtown. They will hire more law enforcement Very soon you will be seeing the motorcycle gang genre…. and the law enforcement will not be a problem .
Sir, you have this venue confused with others. Top-notch venue and well behaved crowds overall, and no single major situation ever. That is a track record we take pride in. If you step into traffic, you have only yourself to blame. If the driver left traffic to hit this man, then the driver is to blame. It has nothing to do with the security at waterfront venues. Great try though. If there wasn’t a show last night and this still happened where do you think the blame would be. Bath Salts right? Educate yourself.
I’d blame it on the darkness of the street and possibly the bad judgment and/or decisions of the pedestrian and/or driver depending on their conditions and the actual situation. However, there was a concert and there were crowds of impaired individuals out of control of themselves in the dark areas last night.
There is always something going on in Bangor. We are not the southern market. lol
You’re mostly right, but IF it turns out the hit and run driver was under the influence and became that way while drinking in the beer tent at the concert, then it seems to me that whoever runs the beer tent is partially liable just as any other local drinking establishment would be if a patron of theirs walked out the door, got into their car and ran over someone. But we don’t yet even know if the driver or the victim had anything to do with the concert at all so it’s way premature to place any blame OR to say the the concert bears no blame. We all need more information before speculating on who is to blame or not to blame.
no, you don’t understand. it was either the pedestrian or the driver at fault. the driver more now because he/she drove off. that is not being premature.
You obviously are confused about venues. This accident was not anything to do with cars or patrons leaving the concert. The concert didn’t get over till 11:15pm. Nice try. If you read the story, the car was heading into town. Who heads into town for a concert when it is almost over? Also, you say unorganized? You are confused. This venue is very much organized as it has been for years. Bangor has pulled off mass gatherings with such smoothness it makes you very confident. I see where this would give you reason to attach it to something that didn’t cause it. Bangor has become vibrant and robust. There are lots of people in town where businesses attract their spending dollar. A remote venue doesn’t stimulate the economy. I am a veteran of the waterfront events and there have never been any major situations at all. It is a track record that has been supported by the city of Bangor. The police have always been top-notch in their handling of mass gatherings. We do it like no others can. So to start something and then say that bad things are going on is unfair, unjust, and will be ignored. Sorry to hear a pedestrian was hit and killed but that lies on the pedestrian and has no bearing on the great things that are happening on the waterfront. The driver should have not drove away, that is what makes it a crime. But that lies on the driver of the vehicle. This has no relation to the outstanding staff, outstanding police and fire crews and Bangor’s ability to draw mass gatherings. We have been doing it for years, and will continue to do that. Awesome show last night, well behaved crowd as always. Top notch crew and great time. Remember, if you are not in a cross walk, you are fair game in any situation. Do not put the blame or try to put the blame anywhere else. It has nothing to do with anyone but the pedestrian who was struck and the vehicle that drove away. Thank you.
“So to start something and then say that bad things are going on is unfair, unjust, and will be ignored.” Really. Nice try to re-frame the situation. When thousands see first-hand what the situation is, they know the truth and do not need you to tell them. No one is saying to shut the concerts down, but there is a need for CROWD CONTROL and there is a need for BRIGHT STREET LIGHTS ON MAIN ST. to light up the area. Or detour all traffic off Main St. on concert nights from Railroad to Buck.
Thousands need to reply then. And yes there is some sort of blame already being attempted here to put this on WFC and the events we hold downtown and there is comments here to lead people to believe the Bangor Police Department has not done an excellent job so far after all these years. These comments are false and I will stay on them like flys on (censored). Now, if you ask me the solution to the situation, that was not anything connected to anything other then a simple unfortunate accident, then that would be to put in better lights. I agree. Is that the perfect answer? Don’t be crazy people. Yes, a man died. Yes, someone drove off. Two wrongs. But did we all forget the last 1,000 pedestrians that got hit somewhere in New England alone? They happen in the daylight, in the rain, in the night, under street lights etc., etc., etc. I am only here to defend any notion that this was a direct result of the concert last night. If you want to battle me I am suited up and ready to commence attitude. The concert attendees did not leave until at least 11:15 by foot, 11:30 by car. This vehicle was coming INTO town at around 10:40pm. Into town. Simple math people. This didn’t happen before the concert either, when people were heading INTO town. Do you see the light at the end of the tunnel now? Bring it people !
The actual striking of the pedestrian may have been an accident but leaving the scene was a deliberate act and therefore no accident. As for the “1,000 pedestrians that got hit,” perhaps that has something do to with the “fair game” attitude of vehicle operators. In my observations, I have noticed the number of motor vehicle operators violating laws regarding pedestrians is pretty equal to the number of pedestrians violating those laws.
If you can’t take the city, stay in the countryside. There are many deer however that will tell you, being a pedestrian in the country is very dangerous as well. Bangor is attracting traffic for many reasons. This is simply a case of an accident somewhere and someone driving off. That is all. Drivers AND pedestrians need to pay attention to their surrounding and adapt accordingly. I will be curious where the blame goes here. In the end, I am sure they will put in flashing crosswalks and better lighting. But that does not give people the right to relax their thinking minds. Think before you cross, and think before you drive.
We left Hollywood Slots and were passing through after the accident and while the out of control people were in the street. So were we just coming into town? No, we were already in town before the concert started and were going home (sober) through the area. We had nothing to do with the concert except to watch the drunk and out of control people walking and running between moving vehicles and falling over themselves while we tried to drive a car down through that mess. Sugar-coat all you want. Public safety needs to be addressed.
Very tragic. Btw, the audience exited at 11:15 by walk and 11:30 at least by car. So if the accident was around 10:30, the mob you think you saw wasn’t patrons of the concert. When a concert gets out, if you have been to concerts, there is a mass exodus of people who walk down the sidewalks to travel home. Thousands can be walking, no matter if its the Cumberland County Civic Center, The Comcast Center, etc. etc. There are police at the cross walks to ensure that traffic sees this mass exodus. Lights flashing, emergency rescue vehicles are there, Even a disaster relief mobile unit. Bangor is well intact in their security and emergency response. This is also paid for in large part by Waterfront Concerts. This venue is well equipped with the latest, modern equipment to ensure the safety of it’s patrons. There has been a hijacking of people that do not understand that and want to make something that happened down the street the cause and effect. There are signs everywhere that a concert is going on and it is really a very secure setting. To drive down the road not knowing that a concert was going on would be crazy. But here is the kicker: When the concert got out and thousands were exiting down the street, no situations happened once again. And this is the venue I have attended. No situations with crowd control ever. Every concert has been entered and exited with no situation whatsoever. Kudos to BPD, BFD, and WFC. And no I don’t work for the people I support. I am just one who doesn’t believe in keeping his opinion to himself. ROAR!!!
EVERY single concert I have gone to at WFC’s has been a good experience! I have seen no excessive violence issues or poor crowd control. Inevitably Terence, many people in Bangor don’t go to other cities often enough to realize that bleep happens whenever thousands of people gather for an event. I’m not talking about the tragic accident with the pedestrian because that happened DURING the show, but just general mayhem that goes on at any concert or Pro sports event that draws large crowds. As someone who has been to hundreds of concerts and pro sporting events, Bangor is TAME! Go to Foxboro when the Steelers are in town for the playoffs or to a sold out Metallica concert in Hartford or Worcester. Or how about a Bruins game against Montreal. It’s just ignorance of the world outside of Bangor that draws attention to a few drunks who try to ruin it for others.
It was like this in the 70’s when I used to go to concerts at the BA. A few isolated incidents would get blown out of proportion and make the “sleepy town news” and before you knew it there would be dumbbells that would call for an end to the shows. This stuff happens all the time in other cities. If you want to be a real city Bangor, it’s time to put your “big boy” pants on.
Thank You Steve! Great post as always… We are a city that is growing and it’s time for the negs to admit they have been marinating in their own stupidity for too long.
To say that the person that hit and run was not there for the concert or driving by for a free listen or look is laughable…Some people as well leave concerts before they are over. So you can not say for sure anything unless you was the driver of the car.
I as well can give my “opinion” which is the waterfront concert last night was horrible from what I seen in my area of the grounds.
I am not saying that the “police and others” do not do a good job in general I have no knowledge if they do or they do not I had not gone to another concert to know.
I do know what I seen last night and it was ridiculous and being at other major events in other states and city’s you would NOT have got away with what people were allowed to get away with last night- that I witnessed , because these other venues were more organized in my “opinion” not that it is to be labeled …truth. but “opinion”
I iwill continue to spread my opinion everywhere I go
It is not like at any other event things do not happen outside the gates… I have seen fights, accidents, heck even people breaking into cars and not to mention indecent exposure to relieve themselves (and not just men on this). Inside… Well there have been fights, drunk and disorderly conduct, and even indecent exposure there as well…. And I am still not talking about a Bangor event… This does and will happen at any large event that is inside or out.
What I suggest is for Main Street in that area to be shut down, except for local traffic of course. Depending on how they do it most business are reachable. This would reduce the possibly of cars possibly hitting someone if they are crossing the street. People go to these concerts and watch from outside. They have from the beginning, and they will continue to do so. Until changes are made, I feel this may be the correct course of action to help curb this from happening again.
To the family that loss their loved on Saturday night, I express my condolences. I hope no one else has to lose someone this way.
can’t argue with you your correct …although I will add that I think concert or no concert this accident may have happened…
I cannot argue on that either, except that the chances increase when there is a larger number of people than normal.
But you can’t shut down main st and turn it into a huge sidewalk. The commerce has been exciting and inviting… just pay attention people. This is a ‘any day of the week’ type accident. I know people have been paying attention on Main Street for years. Otherwise something probably would have happened in ten seasons of events on the waterfront, Don’t you think so?
Ahh but you can… Bangor has done it before for parades, so do not say it cannot be done. Please do not get me wrong, I am for the concerts on the waterfront. This is just an area where I know it has been a concern since the beginning.. Although people living on Third Street would probably be mad with me saying this, but send the traffic to that street. Every side street will get you to all the business, and to parking. It will even get you back to the main streets to get you downtown and to Brewer.
There is no feasible way to shut down main street for up to 5 hours, sometimes 7 hours, for a concert that the attendees are already in. There is no feasible way to shut down main street every time someone needs to go to the bathroom. Do you supposed we put in railroad crossings? Maybe that would work. Maybe we could all come by on a small train and toot, toot tooting!! I think what you are missing here is the fact that after three season with WFC, ten seasons with AFF and three seasons of KahBang, there has not been one single situation to this date. Understand man? Koooool
Settle down Terence… As I said I am NOT against the concerts, not the AFF, or even KahBang… All good things. You are correct, you cannot shut down for up to seven hours, but the problems comes after the concert begins… Unlike the AFF there is NO bus lane which by itself gets traffic to slow down (a little). The AFF is on a set weekend. It cost to get into the WFC and not the AFF (although donations are suggested), so crowds tend to be bigger along the roadside unlike the AFF. Look, I have seen the crowds, so I know this to be true, especially when it starts to get dark… You CAN get away with closing the road for 4 hours max, and like I said before you can get to all the businesses and parking using the side streets. Another option is to shut down one lane, which does slow down traffic, and allow them more time to see people. Will either of these be done? Most likely not, but it is an option. This is only as a suggestion/opinion.
ROAR!!!! ROAR!!! R O A R !!!! (lol) Thanks for supporting the concerts. I just like to throw stuff out there with push. Not really directed at you. It’s a voice. Love this stuff! (meow)
any day of the week this accident could have happened…
Relieve, not re-leave, if you’re talking about people going to take a whiz.
Don’t worry, I won’t charge you for the editing fees ;-)
Your opinion is important and I for one speak mine as well. Never stop barking your right to opinion but you also have to beware of others who will challenge you. That is what is great about the forum. At the end of the day, I also believe in opinions! My opinion is that your opinion is in the minority. The facts are the mass exit of thousands happen at 11:15-11:30pm. So there is no way the traffic leaving caused this when the driver was coming into town at 10:30pm or so. Now, onto the pedestrian side. This pedestrian could have been a patron of the concert but what does that have to do with anything? He could have been a patron of the many bars around, or maybe he was just someone out for a walk. There is no blame towards the show, that is already established. Now, on to the driver. Why did he drive off? Probably got scared or might have had warrants, who knows. That will come out later when someone sees that vehicle damaged. Who knows, but let’s put the show and the great crowd to rest. Thanks.
That’s great, when you do, be sure to use proper grammar:
1. It’s not “I seen” it’s “I saw”. You need a helping verb to use
seen, like I had seen, or I have seen.
2. city’s has no need for an apostrophe, it’s not a possessive noun
because there’s no noun after it, it’s simply “cities”.
I too, spread my opinion where I go.
And “you’re.” If the intent is to say “you are” and you make a contraction of it, it is “you’re.” If you speak about ownership, it is “your,” such as “your car.”
yes, that too!
Like a sports event, People do leave early.. Unless you were keeping track of the crowds. Nice try.
Pulling off the events and spending dollars downtown is worth a life to you?
Thank you.
Once you leave you do not reenter for these concerts. Its there policy.
“Pulling off the events and spending dollars downtown is worth a life to you?”. So what kind of a question is that? It seems that you comment on many stories looking to start something with someone. Maybe you should take some time and get out from behind your computer and do something fun, perhaps a concert?
great stuff DJOJ
Once again you assume things; that this person is involved with the concert. Somehow you manage to say nothing on a tragedy that may or may not has something to do with activities going on in a community.
Let’s ask you this; do the rules of the road and driver responsibility have anything at all to do with an event? You cannot blame anything other than the driver, concert or not.
good stuff rusjan. Davidvsgoliath is a longtime poster and we kinda like his viewpoint because it keeps things riled up here. Good stuff Davidvsgoliath, don’t agree but still respect.
thousands do not leave early from a major concert they have paid money to attend and create this disaster that is falsely being reported by a few people that can’t take our vibrant waterfront and need to go back to the countryside and watch the paint dry. That is what is trying to be started here, and I am only defending. What we are trying to prove here is that this mass disaster must not have happened at the same time as what that statement is being used for. Hence no disaster. Nice try though. We have a fast moving vibrant waterfront, don’t let it scare you. It’s awesome!
You are right the concert got over around that time, so i do not know why they are blaming it on people leaving at that time, and i have to admit most people at that concert were well behaved.
thank you very much dkenzie. i really appreciate your comment. there are more of us that will come forward if provoked. It is a landslide if they want it…
Your very welcome and thank you for your support on the concerts
Did anyone say it was people driving cars after the concert? I never saw it if they did.
I don’t usually comment on BDN because I know when to keep my opinions to myself, but I must comment on yours. First of all, to say that a pedestrian is “fair game” when not in a crosswalk is ignorant. Second of all, I have been to 99% of the shows on the waterfront, (including last nights show) rock, country, and all others. I have seen women get their teeth knocked out, dozens of fights, hundreds of drunks and a traffic disaster every time. I very much enjoy waterfronts concerts, and will continue to go to shows, but to say that they have no impact on last nights tragedy would be a lie. The beer tent over serves alcohol and police toss drunks out on Main St sidewalk when they cause a situation. Where are they to stumble to from there? Should Waterfront be held liable just like the bars when a person stumbles out of their establishment? As for the traffic, there should be more police presence at the 3 stoplights in that area. I myself was almost hit in the crosswalk, when the girl traveling INTO town was too busy looking around to realize she was coming up onto a red light. You are correct in saying that waterfront had nothing to with this tragedy directly, but that is not to say that they can not help to make it a safer area with the help of BPD and continue bringing great shows to Bangor.
Where do the drunks go or leave when they leave the bars, pubs, drinking establishments? Where do drunks go when they leave their house? If you think the Bangor Police Department, the security staff of Waterfront Concerts, and half the businesses downtown are not doing a great job with mass gatherings, you need to go to a bigger city like Boston and see the things that happen. Go to Portland’s old port and you see them everywhere, like zombies. If one wanders into traffic or one hits a pedestrian do you shut down Boston, or Portland? How about educate people with the dangers of alcoholism and drug abuse. How about educating people on how to cross a steet properly, or how to pull out into the street properly while looking both ways. If you have been to 99% percent of the shows, then why do you have the attitude that the event caused this, and traffic is disaster. I’m sorry but I have attended ALL the concerts and I am just not seeing what you have stated. Yes, a few fights break out which is normal in any venue. Less in ours. If you are experienced in concert attending you would know that concerts don’t make the people, people make the people. Nowhere in Waterfront Concert policy does it say that less-than-steller people are not allowed to attend. It says no backpacks, no weapons, etc. If you are in any mass gathering, you know that there is one or two minor situations that break out (don’t be afraid, lol), and you know that traffic can be a nightmare in most venues elsewhere. But here, we are even downtown and I have yet to see a major situation happen. We can park 5,000 cars like nothing. We can make sure everyone gets to their seat. We can make sure every event is properly entered and exited. We have been doing this for years, where have YOU been? You seem to link this story to the event and you are sadly being niave. Did you hear John Edwards the psychic is visting Portland? I think you will find him believable, but I don’t. I have different thinking I guess. Even to this day and after this story, I have yet to see proof of your misleadings. Do you have a photo or evidence of this craziness you see. It would be best, in the future, to submit some sort of truthful- not a slightly embellished reply. I am truthfully glad you support however. Thank you.
I agree with you and would like to know if the concert would still be enjoyable without the beer tent? Do we need booze to enjoy things in life? I went to see Reba, didn’t have one drink but enjoyed the music.
Were you at the concert last night? It was the most unorganized of all the shows I have been to. It was a drunken mess. Yes, the accident occurred before the concert officially got over but actually there were many people leaving at that point because it was before the encore began. There did not appear to be any traffic control at that point in time (besides what was there because of the accident) and there were hundreds of people, many of them EXTREMELY intoxicated, already leaving the venue at that point in time. It is very likely that the driver of the vehicle was intoxicated and left the scene because of that. Regardless of any of these points, it is very very sad.
Respecting your right to opinion, I have to say you need to come to a vibrant city more often. Stay awhile and it won’t seem like such an extreme change in climate. Yes, I do agree with your point that it is sad, but it had nothing to do with the show going on. This was seperate situation involving an inexperienced kid who probably should not have been driving, who chose to drive that night. More on that story is coming. This driver would have hit someone ‘any day of the week’.
I was surprised about how unorganized it was in the end. I’ve been to very small concert venues to ones with almost 100,000 people – the one with 100,000 people was also outdoor and in Tennessee – which was actually more organized that Waterfront was. I think even though Zac Brown is an immensely great band – the concert pavilion, its “Event Staff” and just the fact people from Maine don’t know how to act at concerts put it into motion.
Here’s what I thought was the worst of it all: When the gates opened, nobody could go to their seat? What is up with that. And even then people had to keep scanning tickets. I got asked several times if I had a ticket even though I had a beer wristband! I got pushed by event staff and told to “keep moving in the line” when there wasn’t any line.
Will I go to another concert there? No. Can I see why people got hit by a car there? Yes. And as for the homeless people going up and down the line asking for “50 cents for a bus ride” Bangor can take all of them back.
I agree with you.
Tennessee people know how to act at concerts? Are you Allen Funt? Where is the damn camera? Your seat will not go empty, enjoy Tennessee. lol
I was also pushed the whole time i was there. I have sent a email to alex gray and i have not got a response yet. Very unusual for this to happen at concerts
I couldn’t agree with you more. Last nights concert was very unorganized and uncontrolled by event staff. I was in the pit and the drinking of many were out of control. People were smoking pot, and acting obnoxiously toward those of us who were there for the concert. I don’t have a problem with drinking as long as you are not drunk and obnoxious to others. We were pushed out of the way, shoved, hit and about run over by a bunch of staggering drunks. I paid good money for tickets and had to stand the whole time and get shoved and pushed by rude drunks. I just love the pot smoke and cigarette smoke that I had to breath as well. Some of us just go to enjoy the music but when you have these type of people at a concert it is not fun. I loved Zac Brown band they were great and I was glad they came to Bangor Waterfront. With as many uncontrolled drunks that were there last night they are lucky only one person got hit by a car. I will not be attending any more concerts this year there , I think it has gotten out of control.
I am sorry for your evening. I had to explain to my 4 year old why 2 mid 20’s men had their penises hanging out relieivng themselves for all of us to see and step in after they were done, all th ewhile these two looking at eachother laughing thinking what they were doing was cool.
I was in the pit too my friend, I saw the one obnoxious person who was escorted out very fast. That was it. Didn’t smell any good stuff, didn’t see a lot of the nonsense you bark of.
Obviously you must of had blinders on either that you were close enough to the stage you didn’t receive the same treatment the rest of us did….Are you sure you were in the same place? I was with 3 other couples and they was not impressed either. Putting the chairs back in the pit would control a lot of the problems that were occurring Saturday night except for the drinking to excess that needs to be controlled by the beer tent and staff….
Wow, I am suprised you did not bring up that is why the arena should not be built and it is ultimately Hollywood Casinos fault. I live in the area, and I had no problems with the concert
Yeah, and people pay big bucks to put themselves in harms way. The AFF is one thing but this WFC series is a rip off.
I was at that concert and we had zero trouble and saw zero fights etc. We didn’t have any trouble walking to our car. We didn’t have any trouble getting into traffic and heading for home. What concert were you at???? and what does that have to do with a hit and run accident that occured 45 mins before the concert ended?
Late Monday night?????
Should say Saturday night. We’re correcting the error.
How does one mix up Saturday and Monday?
BDN should be very careful what it puts in writing, it could all kinds of problems down the line.
When the local paper gets information wrong, and it is inaccurate and misleading, it could cause legal ramifications.
I have a thing called screen capture, it takes screenshots, you take a screenshot, you now have proof of this page saying “Monday Night” — it is very easy to do and could hold consequences.
BFD
LOL
And other TLAs.
Ohhhhh, good one ! Had to look that one up !
What exactly are you going to do with your “screen capture”? I’m sure YOU’VE never made a mistake…..
If you missed the point, I can’t help you! It’s OK, I won’t hold it against you. Have a pleasant day!
“could cause legal ramifications”, “Could hold consequences” — like what?
Google, it’s a wonderful thing!
Google is a search engine, not your spokesman. I asked you a question. What specifically “could” be the “legal ramifications” and/or “consequences?
I’m not your researcher, take the time to look yourself, or better yet, comment on the actual article.
Dude, you made a claim now back it up. Or better yet, quit talking out of your behind.
Give it a rest, seriously. Let it go. Move on. Lets discuss the article, or are you getting some kind of kick out of harping on and on and on and on? Seriously man, take some kind of pill and let if go! Good grief.
Alright ,well I think you were the one who commited the hit and run. It had to have been you. I don’t have to prove it either since I’m not your researcher. Try google.
oh man, you busted me! Way to go Sherlock!
I can’t stop laughing. That person is hands down, the biggest D-Bag I’ve come across all day. hahaha.
I can’t stop laughing either, you really are hilarious. Run along dear!
Who really cares?
Obviously you do, since you took the time to reply!
the local newspaper article on the interweb is not going to affect the outcome of any trial…this is the dumbest thing i’ve read today.
Actually, I think you won the contest for dumbest, but hey, that’s OK, better luck next time!
Interweb?
it was a joke…al gore named it interweb when he first created the internet.
Cute. How current.
the joke is that al gore never said that he invented the internet.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Seriously, what possible consequences could a typo in a newspaper hold “down the line?”
I love how what I have to say is way more pivotal than the actual news article! Wow, I feel incredibly important today. Thanks guys! I love all the replies and the attention, screw the guy who was killed right? It is more important to make snarky replies to someone on the BDN wall!
Wow, who knew I was that influential.
lol.
LMFAO who cares!!!! What kind of consequences are they going to face because the wrong DAY was typed? It’s not like they wrote the name of the suspect and then said “Oh, just kidding” that is the kind of thing that would have consequences. Go find something to besides being a nimrod please and thank you.
Oh, my poor heart is so wounded at being called a Nimrod. Do you kiss your children with that oh so eloquent mouth? May I suggest soap and water first?
I forgot to write “do” after to… I hope you took a screen shot and submitted it to the FBI! Man, am I in trouble now.
No, I didn’t, primarily because I would rather spend my time discussing the actual news event that took place, but, I can’t help that you are a shallow person, carry on.
BTW, that would be “too” not to : )
Have a VERY pleasant day!
Go read my other comments on other articles, including the ones I wrote on here and then decide if I am shallow. Responding to you your ridiculous comment doesn’t make me shallow, it makes me well rounded. ;D
Actually, your first comment on THIS article was to ridicule me. I don’t care what you have said on OTHER articles, the very fact your primary focus was to try and poke fun at me speaks volumes about you, your integrity and what is important to you. It was paramount that you act like the tough guy and try and “bully” someone else by making fun of them and what they had to say. You didn’t care about the victim, the event, you only cared about joining in of the tar and feathering. Make you feel real good? Did you pat yourself on the back? Did you get your jollies for the day?
Good for you! Kudos! Well done, I am thrilled for you it made you feel better! Now, why don;t we all move along and discuss something more relevant. How about that?
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Really? That’s the important part of this story? That the author made a mistake and put what was obviously the wrong day? You’ve never mis-spoke what day was what?
No, actually it isn’t important, but apparently everyone who just HAD to reply to my comment thinks it is! In fact, some people don’t even comment on the tragic nature of the event, they just want to jump in and comment about my post. Amazing really! Who knew what I had to say was of that much importance to so many people.
Makes a lot of people look really silly and really shallow.
There are plenty of shallow people around, I’ll grant you that.
Enjoy your weekend…
you too.
BFD again ~
NMFF again!
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No, not nut jobs, bullies.
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You are probably right! ; )
Lets see how many MORE people think my comment is so much more news worthy than he actual event.
Sorry to the family of the victim that my comment become more important and over shadowed the loss of your loved one. I hope you find closure and justice when they find the driver of the car.
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A man’s life was lost and there are far too many people (9 out of 16 comments) concerned with an error that was easily corrected. I think it is pathetic that this coward took off and I pray he/she will be brought to justice. Possibly if people concentrate on the information given about the time, location and possible description of a vehicle and keep their eyes and ears open this person can be held responsible. There is always the chance that the coward who did this was under the influence and may fess up after they sober up but I doubt it. May God be with the family of this man.
No, apparently the most important thing right now is to comment on my comment; that is apparently way more pivotal than the actual event.
You are annoying now. It was funny at first but, now you are just being a jerk. Yes, this article is about a young man losing his life. It’s also about someone hitting him and leaving him in the road as he died. Not cool in any way. RIP young man. May your family find peace and justice for your death.
Funny how you want to comment on an OLD post, not one of the many newer ones I have posted about the situation at hand, but then again, you only see what you want to see.
Here is a little tip, if you find something annoying DON’T POST! That way the hub-bub dies down and everyone moves on to the more important things in the article, buy replying YOU Sir, are being the annoying one! Run along now.
Touche! BTW, I not a sir. Never name your pets when you fill out sign up.
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Bangahrang wrote, in response to frostylobomerlin:
Funny how you want to comment on an OLD post, not one of the many newer ones I have posted about the situation at hand, but then again, you only see what you want to see.
Here is a little tip, if you find something annoying DON’T POST! That way the hub-buib dies down and everyone moves on to the more important things in the article, but replying YOU Sir, are being the annoying one! Run along now. Link to comment
So no investigation is needed, since you have convited the driver already.
You have an excellent point, who knows what happened. Who knows if the victim caused the accident. Who knows the series of events that took place. Is it tragic, absolutely, but we can’t blame the driver without 100% of the facts, and since none of us were there, we can’t pass judgement!
It does not matter how the accident occurred. The pedestrian could have been on bath salts and deliberately ran out into the path of the car for all we know. People are not upset about who is to blame for the accident. They are upset because the driver drove away and left the injured person to die.
Correct Bangahrang
How can you not blame the driver for driving away? Who do you think caused the person to drive away? My god ya’ll are simply just not getting it!
So far, I havent really seen one person blame the driver for hitting the pedestrian, the comments against the driver are because the driver DROVE AWAY and LEFT A MAN TO DIE. You and half the other comments on this story are simply pathetic and I dont give a darn if that upsets you or anyone else.
SOMENOE DIED AND SOMEONE HIT THEM WITH A VEHICLE AND LEFT THEM TO DIE.
Who gives a crap whether it was related to a concert or not, or whether someone’s spelling or use of words is wrong or incorrect. And YOU, are just as bad as anyone else for keeping the comments going. You can stop your little fingers from replying any time.
MAN! Kindergarten!
For the victim’s family or friends who might be reading this, I am truly sorry for this unfortunate accident. I hope that they catch the person who hit and killed your friend/loved one.
Even if the accident was unavoidable, and the driver would not have been found to have been at fault, that person DROVE AWAY, and didn’t do what any reasonable and responsible human being would have done. That alone is a crime, and there is NO EXCUSE for doing it. For that (and that alone) yes, I have mentally convicted the driver already.
Agreed, the driving away is inexcusable!
I couldn’t have said it better myself jemileesmom.
It all depends on who the victim is and who the driver is… If the driver is from a promient Bangor family then it will go away. if the victim is then it will go the other. Sad but true.
I’m going to the lotto page!
Late Monday night? Or last night? Regardless, my condolences to the family of the victim.
Yes, the concerts at the waterfront are some what unorganized, but the BPD is a little under staffed, which probably doesn’t help.
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Shouldn’t you be more worried about Blue Hill, Greg, or off taking photographs?
The Bangor PD is not responsible for security and logistics of a private company’s for-profit venture. Don’t let this get spun to put all the blame on a driver who couldn’t possibly have seen the person he hit.
If it was dark fine, but you would have felt it… I’m sorry but in this instance, this IS the drivers fault.
If the driver stopped, and it was deemed the person was in dark clothing, it was dark, there were not street lights etc, etc and it was an honest to god accident that is one thing, but the driver FLED THE SCENE!
Fleeing the scene or leaving the scene is a crime, yes, but so is beating the hell out of or killing a driver who just killed your friend. Let’s wait and see what the situation was before we put all our anger on one aspect of a bad situation. It was a mob scene down there last night.
Aren’t you legally required to have x amount of police at a function like this or is it private security hired by the venue? I don;t know the answer to that, I am simply stating BPD is under staffed.
I don’t believe the concerts contracted with the Bangor PD. If I remember right they were asked about it last year and they said they would have their own security.
Thank you for the clarification : )
Do you think having the BPD contracted would help, or, at least have them monitoring the roads etc would be helpful? They have to know the area becomes a problem.
There were 12 BPD officer contacted. They were INSIDE the concert however for crowd control. BPD is at every concert.
Were you one of them?
OK good news, thanks for the info
Waterfront Concerts has always been a well organized event each and every time. Never any major situations and it only gets better. Do not try to attach this one instance to something that was not the cause.
He made no reference about the fatality… Any inference is yours.
Didn’t someone say something about camera’s near the casino? What about the gas station across the street? Both sets may not capture enough distance but it would be worth looking into anyways.
I think someone wrote something to that affect on facebook : )
Are you on my facebook… that would make this day a little awkward ;) lol.
Wouldn’t it just ; )
Haha I think that Detectives thought of that as well thank you.
I didn’t realize what I said was funny.
Nothing wrong with Bella putting down a decent thought. It’s a crime to state a thought, an idea, an opinion, BangorNorth?
Oh I forgot, it is the BDN comment section where people jump on others and lambast them for sharing an idea they have, and then others join in, poking sticks at them, and making fun, and inciting them, and then start yelling when the tiger bites back, acting as if its ALLLLLL the tigers fault after its been provoked!
Thank you for that!
And fine… you are not all that bad after all =)
You are welcome : )
Ok. I’m going to say this and you can jump all over me if you want but we drove down through there last night apparently soon after the accident. We almost hit several people ourselves in the darkness of that area. People were crossing everywhere on Main St., running all over the place, with no concern for their personal safety, hanging off each other even in the PD parking lot area and the curbs on Main St! That area of Main is already bad for pedestrians as it is wide and WAY TOO DARK and many have complained about it. You can see better on Harlow St. than Main St. and yet there has been no attempt to light it up properly, especially when there are crowds of people whose judgment is impaired. RIP to whoever got hit, and I hope the person who did it comes forward. I would’ve probably run too, in shock over what I saw had happened and knowing that in that highly charged environment my own life would be in danger. It was a mob scene down there last night and some common sense needs to prevail.
Great points.
Do you think when they build the bridge over from the new arena to the casino people will use that instead of trying to cross the road?
Main street 4th July for fireworks is very similar, people walking everywhere with no regard to the traffic.
Last night’s crowd leaving the venue was totally out of control. If the driver that hit the pedestrian goes to trial I will contact that person and offer to testify in court as to what I saw.
Yes, I am a major supporter of the walkway over Main St. from the new arena to the casino. It is something that should be put in later. Also, more lights around Shaws on the right hand side towards the waterfront should be considered.
Thats not being built any time soon.. got scratched from the current plans
Shame
Plans for a pedestrian bridge over Main Street from the casino to the arena were scrapped.
Running makes it worse… shocked or not. If you hit someone or something, you stop. THAT is common sense.
And I could be wrong, but if you are going at a crawl because there are tons of people then you may have knocked someone down, but if you caused front end/hood and windshield damage, than you were not being cautious…or maybe they didn’t need to necessarily drive cautiously because the time didn’t intersect with everyone leaving the concert… regardless… someone hit a person, they are fully aware they hit something, made the conscious decision for whatever reason to not stop, and hopefully they are found VERY soon and suffer the consequences.
Does anyone know what time the concert finished?
I am wondering if this took place well after the majority of the concert walkers had left. The article did state that they were not linking the victim to the concert.
It doesn’t take much to get damage to the front end of your car, and surely if the street was teeming with people from a concert 1) a lot of people would have seen the car/driver/incident and 2) the car may not have been able to drive away without people getting license plate etc, or, stopping it.
I didn’t catch the part about him not being linked to the concert.
I have never hit anything with my vehicle hard enough to cause damage, I came around a corner one time and hit a deer doing about 15MPH and it was LOUD, no damage luckily… so my thinking is this person 1. had to be going somewhat fast? Maybe? and 2. I personally don’t believe there is any way they didn’t hear or feel that they hit something.
But again, I have only tapped a deer once in my entire life so I am no expert by any means.
I don’t know either, but agree you had to feel something andf know you hit something, and 9 people out of 10 would stop and get out and see.
I don’t know, I wasn’t there, it is hard not to feel anger for the driver simply because someone lost their life. Then logic kicks in and I have to ask, what happened? What were the circumstances? Was the pedestrian to blame too? Then I have to also think, maybe he/she fled in panic, which doesn’t make it right at all, but, it is part of human nature to run when we are scared.
I don’t want to be too much of an armchair critic and read in to things I don’t know, which is difficult because we are all humans with emotions.
As for my “typos and legal ramifications” I would hate for anyone to get away with murder based on something as silly as a typo, stranger things have happened in life, and it is getting harder and harder for the justice system to get a conviction (I am thinking the kaylee Anthony trial etc)
Yup, agreed!!
See, I really am not THAT bad ! ; )
yeah yeah yeah ;D
hahahahahah!
Several people have told me the concert ended around 11:10 or 11:15.
so maybe not that many people walking yet? Not many cars?
The concert ended at 11:15, this person was hit at 10:40
11:15 pm. Did you read the story? The driver was heading into town at 10:40pm. The pedestrian was obviously not in a crosswalk and got hit. No cars were leaving the concert till 11:30 at least. No this was not connected to the concert attendees. This was a anytown, anyplace situation.
Terence20220- You are 100% sure not one concert goer left the concert early to avoid the crowds at the end?? Fill me in on how you know this. Please I am curious, have you started locking everyone in until the last song is over… The time lines are close enough that tell me it could have been a concert goer..
From you comments It seems you will protect the concerts at “any” cost.
Terence2020- The article was only just recently updated to include the time the concert got over. Your posts are becoming as tiresome and trolling as Banghrang’s tirade about the typo during the first writing.
If you want to raise awareness about how well the crowd control, etc is at the concerts that are so near and dear to you, please do so in a less defensive and insulting way. The way it is being done right now is just making people not want to read what you are saying, and that’s not effective for what you are trying to accomplish.
I almost clobbered someone too – at about 9:30. You cant always avoid people, when they hop out into the road. Running will only make it worse IF he’s caught. If they dont find him – then it actually made it better.
It sucks, but its a fact.
They found the person about an hour ago.
I was in that area a couple of nights ago and a company was painting lines/arrows on that street to Shaws. Not a light to be found and I didn’t see them until I was almost on them. They were using flashlights to light up their work area. Very Dangerous..
It is not a through street anyway I think the city gave that road to Shaws years ago and if so Shaws ought to be forced to light up that area/private Street. and are partially responsibile for the dangers in that area.
Better lighting would be the only correction needed. But if you step into traffic anywhere that is not a crosswalk, you have only yourself to blame. If you don’t know the area, main street is as busy as any main thoroughway in any city. Would you step into traffic in Boston? Not if there is not a crosswalk or light. The only crime so far here is the guy drove away.
If the concert organizers were responsible for policing, where were they in helping those leaving to cross over Main St. ? If they take your money for the entertainment, and the liquor, then they should be obligated to get the patrons out safely. That is only fair, since most are under the influence after 4 hours of alcohol. If our schools can maintain crossing guards to get our children home safely, and there is security present at sports games at our auditorium to help the traffic exit safely, then it is not too much to require to have one guard to cross over groups onto the safety of the opposite side…all in one crosswalk, not all up and down wherever they choose to cross, which happens often.
I guess you didn’t look at the map Terence. He was crossing at the light at Shaw’s. But then again, maybe you weren’t paying attention.
I don’t think there is a crosswalk there, not to cross main street, only to cross Shaws entrance. I went down to look .
Sir, you give people the extent of nothing for brains. People, if you do not have a brain and can’t cross a road without being hit then like this person’s comment. If you are a driver and you have no clue that people might cross when there is no crosswalk then continue rubbernecking the sites. Continue texting, continue putting on that makeup. I have lived here my whole life and I know when driving main st or any other main st in any other city, you (listen carefully here) You pay attention. It is simple and free to pay. When you come to Bangor and you come to the waterfront it is a lot like Hampton Beach. Expect people to be crossing the street. Pay attention. For the cross walkers and the Jay walkers: there are two places to gamble on main St. Hollywood Casino is one of them. Not being in a crosswalk in a dark area, you have the brains to know that it cross at your own risk. Wake the hell up!
Let’s not forget to mention the lack of people pushing the button to cross…..
Not that I am implying this is the case, but I am willing to bet the majority of people you saw crossing everywhere on Main St, had no intelligence to cross in a cross walk, push a button and dare I say it patiently wait their turn or even look both ways, I bet some of the crossed without doing one or all the above.
It’s too sad that we have another instance of someone getting hit in a crosswalk and this time it ends up being fatal. The person who did it should come forward, the longer they wait to tell their side of the story, the less believable it will be.
I was out and about last night on foot along Main/State and can say with confidence that I have never seen so many obviously intoxicated drivers, and it was certainly concert related. Bangor police were overwhelmed, it was a public safety breakdown. Extending hours on BAT for special events might be worth considering to give people an option but I’m not sure it would help. People who can’t handle alcohol will drink and drive when they know there is essentially zero chance they will be stopped, the lack of integrity in these people is just sad
My condolences to the family of this individual. I hope that the driver comes forward, and you are not left wondering who did this, what happened, etc for long.
First, my condolences to the family of this victim. And to the hit and run driver, take responsibility for your actions.
I love the Waterfront Concert Series, and have attended many concerts since 2010, but this tragedy does highlight some problems. It’s not light enough on Main Street to begin with, and with all the people trying to cross afterward, sometimes with police help and sometimes not, it can be dangerous. I hope the city considers adding MUCH more lighting on the stretch from Railroad Street to beyond the casino, because that’s where the majority of people seem to be walking to their cars. And I don’t know how many concertgoers exit drunk, but based on the number of people who invariably spill beer on me at EVERY concert, it must be at least a few. I wonder if there’s a way to bring in off-duty officers from surrounding towns to help with crowd control and to monitor drunk driving. The Waterfront Concerts are such an economic boon to the area; let’s figure this out before another tragedy happens.
Proud_teacher. Bangor is not going to Police the drunking drivers coming from concerts ever. That would turn off potential customers to the downtown pubs and eateries from coming to Bangor to get loaded and go to the concerts.. They don’t do Main Street or downtown unless they are called. Don’t mess with the businesses or their customers is the city halls moto. and it sent on to the Police Dept…
I was thinking along the same lines David. Where were the sobriety checkpoints?
Sobriety checkpoints would make traffic come to even more of a dead stop than it already is.. It would be a nightmare that would accomplish nothing.
That makes no sense.. there is no evidence of this. Plus they ticket illegal parking and arrest people out of downtown all the time.. Some bars were even recent;y cited for liquor violations.
OOOps your wrong . The bangor Police are like a Pack of Dogs against any Drunk Driving and I respect and give them Great Respect for there handling of the concerts here . I listen to the scanner throughout the evening of each show and am proud there here to protect us . There job is to get everyone in …safe while here and out safely . But , they can’t be everywhere at all times although I’ll tell you ….they were BUSSSSY with Bikers drunk drivers and crowd alllllnite . Cheers to The bangor Police for there Handling of this fairly new experience here in Bangor.
JustBob I hold the Police in high respect,,, You could park an Officer around any of the pubs and eateries and catch dozens of drunk drivers every night… Yet, I’m sure city hall wouldn’t like it. And that trickles down
Tragic.
Why run from the hit and run?
And turn a sad event into a long drawn out nightmare for all.
Many guesses as to the driver.
We will have to wait and see how it plays out.
The city should light up every crosswalk in the city with a street light. Driving around at night is tricky at times.
Something that should have been done years ago, nowadays safety is never considered until a fatality takes place.
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He was walking home, and appears to have been crossing at the light at Shaw’s.
When you drive by, its very easy to get distracted and look over at the concerts.
I would suggest the city with the help of Waterfront Concerts and Alex Gray to
install newer traffic lights that have the strobe lights and the cross walks that
have visual timers along with adjusting cross times at these intersections. They also
have in-road warning lights which this area would only makes sense for the safety
of both the pedestrian and drivers. The amber light–emitting diode (LED) lights flash in unison at a rate designed for maximum motorist recognition and are visible during the daylight as well as at night. The flashing lights are only activated when a pedestrian wants to cross and are automatically shut off after a set period of time, i.e., the time required for a pedestrian to safely cross the street. If installed in conjunction with the means to detect the presence of pedestrians while in the crosswalk, the crossing interval can be extended, in which case the lights would continue to flash and allow slower pedestrians to safely cross.
The victim lived on Patten St. he was probably heading home after walking around outside the concert, I doubt very much that he had a ticket. He probably crossed right there because there is a traffic light.
As an attendee last night.. I think the City should block traffic from going back down Main Street and force them up Union street to the intersate while all the pedestrian traffic is leaving the venue. It would help push the car traffic away from the people.. Sorry to hear someone lost their life…
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It does not matter where the pedestrian came from or was going to and it does not matter where the driver came from or was going to,, the driver hit a person and did not stop!! I will say as a person that does not drive that it is hard getting across the street, some people are kind and stop for walkers and some people will run right over you.
TO THE DRIVER: Why run away, you will be caught and it will go harder on you!!
Wow this is a tragic situation. I hope the person who’s responsible for leaving a man to die comes to terms with it and turns himself in. I just sat here and read 100 of these posts and I appreciate peoples’ concern and fervor, but it is also disturning to see the squabbling among eachother, this isn’t Facebook, or a debate. It is a chance for each individual to express his or her INDIVIDUAL thoughts, concerning the welfare of their community. Let’s just focus on what matters please.
Thank you . Josh deserves us to be civil here
When alcohol is sold for recreation………concerts or not, you will have deaths.
Who mentioned alcohol?
so redic how there is an advertisement link saying that The Zac Brown Band was “soulful” last night. I mean, come on now BDN. Stop focusing on your blogs and start focusing on the important stuff. CULTURE SHOCK, we lost the most soulful man i have ever met in my life on Saturday. Certainly was not the Zac Brown Band who was soulful that night. Catch you on the highs. Peace&Love RIP my brethren. I love you.
CULTURE SHOCK! DISCLAIMER: WE lost the most soulful man, on Saturday night, that i have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Certainly was not the Zac Brown Band! Come on, MAN! BDN! Really? Ya put an ad like that on the same page as this article! Stop focusing on yer blogs and start focusing on the important stuff, like the infrastructure of your establishment for starters. Put together a tight, however, reasonably modern budget plan and get back to the basics with a fresh pair of Asics. (there’ s a great selection at Epic Sports right down the road!) Catch you on the highs, PEACE&LOVE brethren, you will truly be missed.
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I agree… however, the person left. He/she convicted themselves. Regardless of what happened. I hope they find that person. Just not right.
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Why don’t they just close off the main street around the WFC area when there is a concert, simply no thru traffic in that area. IMHO, the Bangor waterfront has lost its innocence. In the beginning of its transformation, it was pretty nice but since they have opened it up for “profit and gain,” it is not a “safe” place any more. No small wonder that hit and runs occur in that “type of atmosphere.”
DING DING DING!! We have a winner folks!! Thats a No Brainer . allow shaws to unload out to the other side to empty twords the highway and allow traffic through Cedar over the bridge ….close the in between . Wow solved by a chat.
Yeah, when I suggested this earlier it was to close the street from Railroad to Buck. Whatever works is what should be done.
You can’t stop traffic on Main street, it is in route to the casino or to the downtown pubs and eateries.. All of this is about money, never think different.
There sure is a lot of blame but how about some personal responsibility?
1. The deceased (I guess his name has leaked out from what I read) maybe should have been looking around and hopefully he was sober.
2.The person that killed him with his vehicle probably was drinking or on something or they would have stopped to check on what they had done. I know I would have.
3. The promoter for Live Nation. When you throw 10k people into a tiny little area in a corner of the waterfront and let someone manage it that has had many challenges even managing a little bar in Orono, (UShuia was shut down by the city for underage drinking, violence, rapes, etc.) you have to expect crisis management as a strategy instead of being proactive. Block off the street, rope off the sidewalks, put visible crosswalks on the streets, there are a dozen other things to be done.
Big picture, the whole concert issue is small time. It should be run by professionals and people shouldn’t be carrying on the way they do on our taxpayer funded waterfront. Expect more of this until they decide to raise the bar and run an organized program.
My thoughts and prayers to the family.
Very sad that this happened during the concert as it does seem to make a lot of people blame the concert itself. Unfortunately this could happen during the parades that occur or the fireworks that draws in a mass crowd. It just so happened on a night that there were several thousand people in town. I too saw people crossing the road at all times, but I will say that the crosswalk signs don’t work on half the poles down there. We waited for several minutes at one and it never changed! As for the concert it was a great time and I enjoyed it immensely, although there were several situations throughout that I was disgusted with myself, but these things do happen at these types of things, it’s not the concerts fault, it’s the ignorance of people that attend. NOT saying all people, but some people have NO respect for others, and that is just something that you have to deal with when you attend these kinds of events or you don’t go, it’s as simple as that. It’s been going on for years… it’s not something new. I chose not to drink at these types of events, because for one, I don’t want to get hurt as I saw one girl being carried out on a stretcher last night after falling over the railing from the pit. What fun is that? I bet that is one expensive concert for her, when she had to go by ambulance. That’s her own fault! I chose not to drink because I want to remember the event. I chose not to drink because I want to get home after. These are my choices and we all have them, so what some chose to do at concerts is up to them. I think security did a pretty good job keeping the crowd controlled and I was pleased to see them several times to tell people to go back to their seats. Maybe the man that got hit was watching the show from that area because he didn’t have a ticket? maybe he wasn’t even watching the concert? We don’t know anything at this point, maybe he was crossing the road and didn’t see the car, b/c it didn’t have it’s lights on? Who knows, but to place blame on this one particular mellow concert is sad. What is going to happen when Ted Nugent comes to Bangor? If you don’t like him don’t go! As for the kids, I chose NOT to bring my 5 year old son to these, b/c I know how they are. Will I bring him to the Big Time Rush concert, most likely because that is for kids! For the poor man that was killed last night, may you rest in peace and I pray they find the person that did this. Whether scared or not, they need to turn themselves in.
people need to start paying attention, get off the cell phone and slow down, if you wouldnt wait til the last minute, you wouldnt be in a hurry to get where? ……. usually no where.
Sorry disgusted was not the word I wanted to use. Disappointed with is a better choice.
Something I wrote got flagged. Amazing. Don’t even know what it was but I can say that I never mean offense, never mean harm and only attempt to have other people see the unfairness of slanting the truth for their own needs. Meanwhile people have accused me of being the driver of the hit and run vehicle and that is still standing?
I got accused of being the driver too. Don’t let the bullies get you down!
Thanks. The bullies don’t get me down at all. I have heard a rumor about who the deceased person is, and though I have had no recent contact with the family, I used to know them when our children were friends in school on the West Side of Bangor and the parents and neighbors worked on everything together. Such a sad day.
That is really sad : (
Around 5 p.m. Sunday night, Bangor police removed a Pontiac Bonneville
from the garage of a home on North Main Street in Brewer. A green tarp
was placed over the car as it was loaded onto a trailer.
Neighbors tell TV-5 that the couple who owns the home is in Florida, but that their daughter is staying there right now.
WABI news just reported they have found the car and the driver.
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/06/03/news/bangor/police-have-suspect-in-fatal-bangor-hit-and-run/?ref=latest
Obviously you must of had blinders on either that you were close enough to the stage you didn’t receive the same treatment the rest of us did….Are you sure you were in the same place? I was with 3 other couples and they was not impressed either. Putting the chairs back in the pit would control a lot of the problems that were occurring Saturday night except for the drinking to excess that needs to be controlled by the beer tent and staff….
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zippy39- you don’t know me very well do you? I destroy people who are delusional and think Bangor is a crime-ridden city, Bangor has a casino and it makes crime, Bangor has a concert venue that is bringing death and disaster, Bangor has a new Arena that won’t draw, etc, etc. You are sadly uneducated at what I do. Try me on for size sometime. I do not work for the people I support but I will get in the ring with just about anyone my friend. Have a zippy dee do da day! lol
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you are delusional, get out more. If you choose to not use a cross walk, you make that decision. Does that give the driver the right to run you over? That is not what I am saying. When you jaywalk you give up the right for someone to notice you better. Understand? Maybe I am typing too fast for you… I’ll type slower. lol
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who said I am on the driver’s side or the victims side? plenty of my comments say the driver made it a crime when he left. accidents are not crimes my friend. But I really don’t care, just here defending the notion that the concert series is not a well oiled machine and not the disaster the few think it is. Yes, you would be surprised how this one headline can get the negs going just like every other headline. Well, i am here to stir things up a bit. If you can’t take my attitude, go watch some television. lol. I am not for the weak and negative. And I will go up against one or 1,000. Try me on for size!!
get a life. do you LIVE on this website Terence?
thank you jennifer C. good stuff
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good post Just Bob