ROCKLAND, Maine — The father of a 5-year-old Rockland boy whose hand was severed in a freak accident last month has sued the child’s grandmother over the incident.
A lawsuit was filed July 18 in Knox County Superior Court by Anthony Pignone of Dennis, Mass., against Sharon Setz of Rockland.
Setz was the driver of a car on June 26 in downtown Rockland in which her 5-year-old grandson Noah Keene was a passenger. The boy had tied a jump-rope around one of his wrists and dangled the other end out the window. The rope got caught on the wheel of the vehicle and severed his hand.
Rockland police initially had said the rope had become caught in the wheel of a passing vehicle, but that later was determined to be incorrect.
The boy was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston and surgeons were able to reattach his hand.
The community has come out in support of the boy and his mother. More than 500 people turned out for a July 9 event at the Trackside restaurant in Rockland to raise money for medical expenses. Fundraisers have collected more than $30,000.
Pignone’s lawsuit claims that Setz acted negligently in her care and supervision of her grandson. Pignone claims that the negligence included allowing the boy to dangle the rope out the window.
The lawsuit says Pignone is suing as parent of both Noah Keene and his twin brother, Patrick Keene. Pignone’s lawsuit claims that the twin was in the car when the accident occurred and suffered emotional and psychological trauma.
The lawsuit does not specify the amount of damages being sought.
The Bangor Daily News sent a message to Setz through Facebook on Thursday and she said she had no comment.
Pignone is represented by attorney Daniel Kagan of Lewiston.
It was a tragic accident. The grandmother apparently had her eyes on the road in order to drive safely and I am sure she will be haunted by the horrorific situation her entire life. She had her grandsons in the car, which would indicate she is/was an active and important person in their lives. I am sure it was traumatic for ALL INVOLVED, but the father wants to compound and add to that tragedy by suing the grandmother? He’s looking to make a few bucks off the suffering of his children and their grandmother that loves them. Shame on the lawyer that took on this case; of course, he stands to make a hefty amount if this lawsuit is successful… very sad.
i’m going to have to disagree with you on that. If you are given the care of small children then you need to be attentive to everything they are doing. It may have been an accident but it was one that was easily avoidable by a simple glance in the rear view mirror to pay attention to what the children are doing. If I was the father I would do the exact same thing.
If i was the father i would do the same thing? okay, now we know there are two quill heads in this world.
If Disqus would let me, I would give you another 100 likes.
You forgot the lawyer that took the case :) so that is 3
I would bet that the grandmother couldnt have seen the jump rope dangling out of the window anyway. I am reasonably sure that because the grandmother was driving that the front passenger seat head rest would have obscured the view. Also side view mirror wouldnt have helped either. The only way the grandmother could have REALLY noticed the jump rope is if she took her eyes completely off the road. I actually gasped when I saw the title of this article. Obviously the father places absolutely NO value on family. This grandmother and these poor children have been traumatized enough over a FREAK accident without the father pursuing this asinine lawsuit. I wonder if the childrens mother had been driving instead, if he would have sued her too? UNREAL.
“Obviously the father places absolutely NO value on family.”
Since the children have a different surname than his and he lives on Cape Cod, I don’t believe he’s much of a ‘family man’ either! If he didn’t trust her with his kids, why wasn’t HE caring for them? And just how many people aim their mirror at the LR wheel! Pure bovine scatology coming from this guy.
Yes, I would like to propose that “we the people” sue the father for negligence in allowing someone that he felt was incapable to care for the children. Never mind the fact that he is wasting good court time to do this … After all, I don’t believe “idiocy” is a legit case :)
who gave him the jump rope? responsibility is a big responsibility, especially when little children are involved. accountability. someone’s got to be held responsible, i don’t blame the dad.
how do you know the grandmother gave him the jump rope? Maybe the dad did? In any event, as far as hospital bills, if the parents cannot afford the bills, hospital will write them off, and there are fundraisers going on. Family is more important than money. The grandmother could put a claim in with her auto insurance maybe? Dont know how that works. In any event, go sit in the drivers seat of your car after you place a jump rope dangling outside the rear passenger window, and let me know if you can see it with your car mirrors. If you cant, then that proves that this was merely a freak accident beyond anyones control.
It makes sense to sue her. Either she has insurance that is going to cover this or uninsured motorist part of the father’s coverage will cover this. Her insurance will cover the bill for her attorney. If there is insurance coverage available and a permanently harmed little boy, its insane to leave that money on the table simply in order to spare the grandmother’s feelings. Once they do recover something, and they will, it would be a terrible shame if that money is squandered rather than used to benefit the boy in the long term. Its fairly common to see close relatives sue one another over negligent conduct and we pay regular (expensive) premiums so that if we do harm someone, especially if we harm them to the extent they can never be made whole, they can at least recover some monetary damages. That should be especially so if the person we harm is also someone we love. Imagine how awful this grandmother would feel if, after paying for insurance, its not tapped into in order to benefit her grandson under these circumstances. The father is represented by an attorney from a sophisticated personal injury firm, they made sure that coverage existed before they went ahead and sued her.
With my ongoing experience with trying to settle with a insurance company this may be the own way to get them to step up to the plate and offer a fair settlement. The State of Maine is letting the insurance companys run the insurance commission
We all pay for insurance and our policies have limits on what they will pay out. If she has the minimal amount required by law (as many of us do), they will go after everything and anything she has. Disgusting!!!!
If they don’t sue her, they won’t recover any insurance money, no matter how minimal. It might come in handy for the little boy. They’re not going to go after everything the grandmother has because those assets, if they are in fact minimal, are almost certainly exempt. If she has more than minimal assets, she probably also has more than minimal insurance coverage. Your knee jerk reaction is to feel bad for the grandmother, but what about this boy? What if he needs some sort of special accomodation as a result of this injury and neither his parents nor his grandmother can afford it. This is precisely what insurance is for.
I think you’re wasting your time trying to explain it here. These people don’t understand it. All they can think about is, “Shame on you! It’s awful, suing the poor grandmother, who must feel awful about the accident . . . .”
These people person…LOL
Thank you for demonstrating. Some are so stupid they can’t even understand it when it’s explained to them.
So you are saying that insurance will not pay anything unless she is sued? I disagree. They will cover what her policy’s limits are. By the sound of it, this grandmother has worked hard to help her daughter and grandsons because the “father” does not contribute and is not in the area. Maybe the “father” should be sued for back support and for future support… that makes a lot more sense to me.
Do you disagree based upon a person experience you had where an insurance company just coughed up the limits of a policy when asked? They really don’t do that. This has nothing to do with child support. Because the plaintiff is a minor, court will need to approve any potential settlement that is reached and, in particular, how the proceeds of the settlement are going to be used to benefit this boy. The opportunities for a father, especially an estranged father who is not involved in the day to day life of this boy, to enrich himself are quite limited if they exist at all.
An insurance company WILL pay what you are covered for in a situation like this. I would assume since she has been helping to support her grandsons while her daughter went to school, she probably has the minimum insurance coverage that is legally required in the State of Maine. To pay out $300k , for example, would be NOTHING to an insurer in an accident such as this, and that won’t go far and will not cover all of the costs (past, present or future). Of course they don’t want to pay beyond what the policy limits are, and why would they?
It’s all speculation on what her insurance coverage is; perhaps if she had a policy that would cover millions, there would be a court battle because it might be worth the insurance company’s time and legal fees to fight.
Should the insurance company get sued and have to put out more $ than the grandmother had covered on her policy, they will not hestiate to go after her and any assets she may have. As well, they will sue her for legal fees…. either way, this “father” is looking to make a buck off the tragic situations those boys went through. It must have been horrific for all involved. I have a feeling that all of a sudden he is going to try to be the best “father” out there. The boys are only four years old and there is plenty of time (esp with a greedy lawyer) to take control of any $ they would be awarded in a lawsuit.
This four year old boy and his twin brother (and the mother, and the grandmother) are going to need much help (medical/psychological/financial) to deal with this accident. Suing the grandmother is not going to better anyone!!!
The insurance company can’t get sued, only the grandmother can be. And no body is going to collect legal fees from anyone here. Insurance companies manage risk- their own. They’ll pay as little as they possibly can and when it comes to determining what they are obligated to pay, they generally want to have something to say about that and that discussion takes the shape of a lawsuit or threat of suit. Not a trial necessarily, but a claim and a process of negotiation between attorneys.
crapola
please give us the name of your insurance company.sounds like the best one ever.
You my friend are wrong about this. Working as a claims administrator I have personally paid out many claims for the policy limits. If there is coverage of $50,000 and bills of $250,000 there is nothing to argue about, we just pay the claim and get it closed. There is a saying in the claims business which is ” a closed claim is a good claim”. Contrary to what you see on tv (thanks joe bornstein) insurance co’s want to get rid of claims as quickly as possible. If there is clear cut liability and clear damages there is no reason any insurer would stall or try to pay out less than the value of the claim. Now if you get a simple case of whiplash and insist on a $20,000 payout, yes you are going to have problems.
As a side note on Joe Bornstein, most of the attorneys who work there aren’t even licensed to practice in a court of law. If your claim actually goes to court they have to hand it off to another attorneys office because they can’t go to court. Until I worked in insurance I thought this was a powerful law firm, just shows what good advertising can do for you.
I had someone run into me and I was injured so as unable to perform my job I have held for over 30 years…..I had $100,000. coverage….SHE had $50,000. coverage. Now just who do you suppose was paying more in premiums? My medical bills came to over $29,000. I lost $50,000. a year in wages. Originally, I wanted just my medical bills to be taken care of….the insurance companies refused and I had no choice but to hire a lawyer. The woman who ran into me is still able to work, do things she enjoys. Me? My credit was ruined because of the unpaid medical bills, I can no longer do the work I enjoyed and was well paid for. I ended up “suing” her, her insurance company and my own insurance company in order to get just the medical bills and legal fees taken care of.
UNTIL I was involved in a car accident and was injured, I looked down at the “sue happy” creeps…now I am much more understanding…
not to defend or offend bornstein or anyone, but many attorneys are not at the bar, it doesn’t mean they have less education, better or worse jobs within the legal system or anything of the sort. they just do a different part of law work than going to trial court.
maybe crissy30 is referring to doing the right thing and not being a money hungry villian in an already tragic tale
how do you know the father gives nothing?I didn’t see that in the article.
When I saw that a comment was posted by Paul Harvey, I thought we might get to hear The Rest of The Story. After all, if you’re going to communicate from the great beyond, what better forum than the comments section of the BDN.
I know because these people are my friends. My years long real life wonderful friends. The “father” is negligent in any care for these boys.
As a claims administrator who handled many claims of this type I can say that you crissy30 are correct. The father does not need to sue to collect damages for this incident. He simply needs to establish a claim with the grandmothers insurance company. The ironic thing is that everyone thinks they should go to an attorney so they can get more money, yet they fail to recognize that 30% will go to the attorney. Rarely does having an attorney represent you increase the value of your claim by more than 30%. He would have been better off to quietly handle this between himself and the grandmothers insurance company, rather thank look like a fool suing her within weeks of the incident. No insurance company will pay anything until the boy is completely recovered anyway so I am not sure what his hurry is. This will likely be an easy claim for the insurance co because it will just be a matter of writing out a check for the policy limit, unless she has some insanely high limits. Yet another reason he is stupid for getting an attorney and paying 30% of the money to attry. This is a case of clear cut liability, grandma was responsible for child and failed to take necessary precautions to ensure child was safe. Which means the insurance co will have no problem paying out.
It’s true that the insurance company won’t settle until the child has reached an end point in his medical treatment and has completely recovered, but not that this is a “clear cut” liability case. It was a freak accident involving unusual facts, a five year old child in back, and a grandmother driving in an area that requires a lot of careful attention to the road and other traffic. It’s by no means a slam dunk on liability. And when you say you’ve handled “many claims of this type”, I’m sure you mean accident and personal injury claims in general, not claims where a child riding in the backseat of his grandmother’s car wraps a rope around his wrist, dangles it from a window, and has his hand severed, correct?
It is a shame so many women just have to have children with such upstanding men. The world would be a much better place if they wouldn’t give losers the time of day.
No they will pay only a set amount of medical per incident then you have to sue for the rest.
The fundraising that has been ongoing for this little boy has already reached an excess of $30,000…while it ‘s not yet known how this injury will impact him in the future, that money is surely going to help! Why put that family thru more pain by suing the grandmother? I’d be willing to bet she will have nightmares about the incident for the rest of her life, isn’t that enough? I think the father must be a pretty heartless person to sue FAMILY, although a previous poster had a good point in mentioning the children don’t even share the father’s surname. I think there’s something to be said about that!
It is this mentality that is directly responsible for the high insurance premiums we are all presently enjoying. You can be certain they will increase further as people continue to look for dollar signs in every tragedy.
The little boy’s medical expenses would be covered in part by the Medical Payments coverage on the Grandmother’s auto policy, which is likely a limit of $5000. Anything else may possibly be covered under Bodily Injury but it all depends on the circumstances and the state min for BI is $50k per person/per incident. Dad doesn’t need to sue unless the insurance company is refusing to pay. He only needs to submit a claim. I suppose it is possible the Dad is just trying to cover expenses. I guess the only way we will have any indication would be if the $$$ amount he is seeking is disclosed.
And precisley why ALL of us pay outrageous premiums for any insurance we carry.
and ruin her. and he says he doesn’t care about her emotionally, it’s all about money – nice lesson for the little boy too.
Well and truly said. It’s hard to see past the emotion, I know, but ultimately this lawsuit is to benefit the boy and his continued care. Dan Kagan is about as good as they come when it comes to loosening the pockets of the insurance companies — who, if given the opportunity will screw the kid over in a heartbeat.
I see what you mean with this comment, however….I would hope that it isn’t out of malace and that it is for the benefit of the children. I would hope that the matter had been discussed prior to the lawsuit. I do have a problem with this being plashed all over the news because of possible missunderstandings of the outsiders of the situation and their reactions and perhaps negative attitudes and or actions toward the family members involved. So sorry for this poor child. Accidents happen all the time… as hard as we all try and as much as we pay attention and try to safeguard the children, we are not everywhere and all seeing all the time.
If there’s money to be gotten from the insurance company, it should go to the parent raising these kids. He lives out of state so I’m guessing he doesn’t have the children 1/2 of the year. The money should either go to the mom or be put in the bank for the twins. JMHO.
do you complain aboout insurance rates
Would you sue your own mother? How about your mother-in-law? Is that different?
A glance in the rearview mirror only shows a certain view… your comment does suggest that you would do the same thing as the father!! Shame on you, too!!
After saying : ” If you are given the care of small children then you need to be attentive to everything they are doing. ” , how can you also suggest : ” It may have been an accident ” ?
You make no sense unless you get to have it it both ways at once.
That is hallmark of conservative politics.
Are you politically conservative ?
I only ask that here because if so, at least conservatives might be consistent,
if not logical, which would help me in my personal struggle to find any reasons to respect those who will not compromise, even when they have been proved
wrong, sir.
I keep shaking my head at this comment; how many young children have you raised, supported, cared for and been with on a regular basis. Stuff happens and anything more than a simple glance in the rearview mirror puts everybody in the car (and on the road) in danger.
I happen to have two very young kids and yes I make sure they are constantly supervised only by those I fully trust to give constant attention. I know exactly what my kids are doing and what they are playing with while I am driving, and if you can’t process everything you see in the rear view mirror in a glance then you should either not be transporting kids or should not be driving in general
Wow, you keep your eyes on your kids all the time? That’s a visual that’s disturbing.
a person has to also be looking at the road.it is physically impossible to do all of those at the same time
((+_+))
If you were a father is the key phrase here.What you have commented here gives the impression to your readers that you have either never driven with children, or have you never been around children? Good Grief…….. have some brains, you could put a child in a plastic bubble, and they could get hurt! Listen to what you are saying….. need to be attentive to children….. for crying out loud she was driving a car! Avoidable with a simple glance! Good luck to you in father hood!
That would make you a loser like him.
there is no way to be “attentive to everything they are doing”…if you have never suffered such an accident you are lucky, not more conscientious than I am. my rear windows do not roll down, they fan out slightly. the dangling rope could not be seen in either my rear view or side view mirrors. your judgment of a situation you have no knowledge of is ignorance. i forgive you…and pray nothing of this magnitude ever happens to your family…and especially that strangers would not then pass judgment on you; which oddly enough, still hurts.
Like you can see a kid in the rear view .
Have you ever actually ridden in a vehicle with small children? It is impossible to monitor every little thing that they do.
It only takes a second to stick your hand out the window.
It was an accident, nothing more.
I hope he loses his case, I really do.
This was the freakiest of freak accidents. Evidently Pig-none believes this Grandmother hasn’t suffered enough.
BS BS
It also only takes a second to take your eyes off the road to glance in the mirror and hit a tree killing all three of them. This is an unfortunate accident. Suing the grandmother is just sleazy in my mind.
If you dont know how to drive it only takes a second.
Wow! It is wonderful to know there are really perfect people still wandering this planet! Bet you never made a mistake in your life, bet you never had an accident. It is impossible to know everything kids or anyone else is doing. If this father is so perfect as to never have any accident occur why did he ever entrust the care of his sons to anyone else!?? Think about it! Accidents happen everyday to intelligent, well-minded people, it could even happen to you.
unbelievable! You make me sick.
Silly grandmother! What was she thinking, focusing on the road?!
I wish there was a LOVE button for your post.
So is the poor Granny that he is suing Mr. Anthony Pignone of Dennis, Mass. mother-in-law , or not ?
It is a fact that is germane to to understanding the situation , I must think.
If he has the stones to sue his own mother-in-law, you kinda gotta admire the fool.
But if she is not, he is a silly sissy.
I wish they made it so you can hit like more then once. I totally agree with you and I would have to say at this point you have 222 likes and that is the most I have ever seen on here maybe it is a record?
Up to 297 likes this AM!
394 likes now. It’s remarkable that such an uninformed and just plain wrong comment can get so many likes. I attribute it to the fact that most people don’t have a clue about tort law, insurance, and settlements on behalf of minors.
Agree with everything except eyes on the road… You as a driver are supposed to know what is going on inside your vehicle, ESPECIALLY with small children. I realize some drivers look straight ahead the entire time, never over their shoulder or in any of their mirrors. I’m always aware of everything inside and surrounding my vehicle.
That’s why I never let children in back have their windows down if they have anything in their hands or their reach.
Amen- couldn’t have said it better myself! This is yet another example of out-of-control litigation in this country.
What a falacy of so many posting here that you truly believe that any
person can do every thing to ensure that accidents cannot happen. Every
single person can only do the best they can. Accidents happen every day,
that is why we have such a word in our vocabulary. Using insurance
companies to provide for the future of this child is why we all pay so
much, using the law to pervert the meanings of whatever it is one wishes
to pervert is why people hate lawyers and are so suspicious of the
legal system. Anyone who can’t see this is part of the big problem in
America. For what is is worth, Crissy30, whoever, you are, you get it!
Glad to know there are still some real human beings left in the world,
and they’re not all money grabbing, high-horsed hypocrites.
I must disagree with your comment. I think (hope anyway) that the father is suing without malice. I think he is looking after the future of his sons and the only way that can be done is through the courts to force the Insurance C0. to take responsibility and pay up. The daughter will not sue so he must take it upon himself to protect the children from future medical expenses. I hope i am right and the farther is not doing this for himself.
They have to sue her. If we didn’t have a fault-based system, we’d need universal health care . . . .
looking to make a few bucks off the suffering? i’m sure his medical bills are not too cheap.
“The Bangor Daily News sent a message to Setz through Facebook on Thursday and she said she had no comment.”
Are you kidding me??! The poor lady has gone through this entire ordeal- then has the BDN hounding her even when she logs into Facebook? Let this family handle their matters outside of the media for goodness sake.
Since when is sending a Facebook message hounding?
Right? I mean did they actually expect her to be all smiles and say “Sure BDN I will be delighted to give you an interview, come over to my place and we can talk over my nice oven baked cookies and a glass of milk”
Some journalists and their ideas……
BDN continues on that downhill slide of quality journalism.
jump ropes and five year olds only go together when they’re being used for their supervised function, kinda don’t blame the father. what a tragic situation. in response to “don’t spend much time around 5 yr olds.. i have a five year old smarty cakes that doesn’t play with jump rope, rope, belts or string unsupervised. and no on the barbie supervision, unless they’re shaped like rope and can cut off circulation to extremities.
Haven’t spent much time with a 5 year old, have you?
Really?! My 5 yr old has a jump rope and I don’t surpervise him with it.. Far more dangerous things I’m worried about then a jump rope.. Freak accidents happen all the time.. Do you think little girls should be supervised playing with their barbies also?
Oh, nevermind. Curious as to where mom is?
I’m just… This isn’t going to help anyone. It was a freak, horrible, tragic accident and to sue? Is very petty and so very wrong. People sue for everything these days.
Accidents happen. Sh*t happens. It could have easily have happened if he’d been in his father’s care.
Dad should concentrate on his son and his recovery and not on placing blame when the grandmother likely has enough guilt to deal with as it is.
Suing grandma huh? Good thing your sons trauma can be used as a get rich quick scheme…
“The lawsuit doesn’t specify the amount of damages being sought.”
They’re looking for the limits of the insurance coverage, whatever that amount is.
and I’m sure that
Anthony Pignone is all up to date on his child support and provides his children with insurance coverage right?? R I G H T
It might come back to bite him in the butt — more eyes on what he provides for his children and how involved he is in their lives.
I hope if some judge does rule in the father’s favor it is stipulated that all funds awarded go to his SON in the way of a college fund or some other trust. The father shouldn’t profit off this accident and misfortune. SHAME on him to even think about a lawsuit. Good grief.
In most states, settlements on behalf of minors have to be approved by the court, the proceeds are put into a court approved fund until the child comes of age and, I believe, requires the court’s approval to withdraw funds. These things are carefully supervised by the court for the child’s benefit.
You shouldn’t criticize the parent for this. Actually, it’s probably in the child’s best interest that his father is doing it. The family is obviously going after any insurance coverage that would apply on account of the accident. That’s what insurance is for.
WOW….. This is the problem with America, sue sue sue….
I hope the lawsuit is a formality, filed so the children’s medical/psychological needs can be met. I hope the suit isn’t representative of an irreparable family rift over the injury to Noah. The best gift these relatives could give to these young boys is a united, concerned, family unit. I continue to wish for healing, and comfort, for all concerned.
Well stated.
Reminds me of the day I broke my arm and they had me waiting on a gurney in the hallway of the hospital outside of a room where they rushed a girl in cardiac arrest after OD’ing on heroin. After they shocked her back to life with those paddles her obviously estranged mom and dad got to the hospital and immediately began fighting over whose fault it was. Who cares that our daughter died on the table and had to be brought back, let’s just argue over something stupid. This guy must have been with me at the hospital that day.
It isn’t a family rift, Naran. The parents are doing this for the benefit of the child. (In fact – and this will draw a lot of shock and outrage from commenters here who don’t understand – the parents could be criticized if they didn’t bring a claim for their child’s benefit if there’s available insurance coverage).
The grandmother isn’t surprised or being treated unfairly. I’m sure this was all explained to her very carefully before any claims were made. There’s nothing unusual about it. Her insurance carrier will provide defense and indemnification under the insurance contract. The parents are going after any insurance coverage that applies; it’s very unlikely they are going after more than the coverage limits.
Any settlement for a minor child has to be approved by the court, and the settlement proceeds only released for the child’s benefit with the court’s approval.
Really, it’s not a big deal. Any lawyer understands it.
You are completely wrong. This was a surprise, actually. Also, Noah’s grandmother is not being sued by the “parents” as you’ve stated. She is being sued by Noah’s absent father who has never stood up and taken care of his children. He has barely ever even seen them, by choice.
You’re right about one thing. It’s the father who’s suing, not the parents.
Actually, I would be surprised if the grandmother is surprised by this, but I’ll give you a chance to set the record straight on this. Do you know the grandmother, have you talked to her about the lawsuit, what has she said about it, and what has she said about being surprised?
You say that I’m completely wrong. Do you disagree with what I said about how the court would have to approve any settlement and how the proceeds can only be released for the child’s benefit, and only with the court’s approval? If you disagree, please say so and tell me the legal and factual basis for your disagreement.
Yes. I have, and yes we are friends. Can you top that?
“Yes. I have . . .”
Yes you have what? Please be clearer about what you’re saying. Since your comment is in reply to my comment replying to Cassie Carey, and you claim to be friends of the grandmother, take a few minutes and respond to the questions I asked Cassie Carey.
no need to go further cassie…you know the truth and it needs no defense.
Wrong. I am friends with Sharon. You are talking out of your….yeah that.
You know who should get to sue? The kid who got banged in the shower by Jerry Sandusky. You know who should get to sue? This kid when he’s older if his hand doesn’t heal right. But you know what? He won’t because he loves his grandma and will look back on it when he’s older and know it was a tragic accident. You know who shouldn’t get to sue? Some punk who may or may not care about his kid beyond the extent that his kid can help him get something. Someone who I’m sure has taken his eye off his kid for more than 5 seconds at a time before. Maybe if he lived in Maine and was closer to his kid he’d have been the one taking his kid somewhere that day instead of Grandma who was doing his job for him. Go crawl back under your rock.
He would not be able to sue later in life because of the statue of limitations whether he wanted to or not. If you do not get a fund to help him now then you never will. Not that this is most appealing or noble thing to do, but maybe just maybe the father knows that he needs to help him out now because it cannot be done later. If his hand does not work right in life then his options become very limited as to jobs, sports, and hobbies available to him. If you know the father was not involved in his life please enlighten us you have not shared their family history and circumstances I am curious to know. Sometimes courts are very unfavorable towards fathers when determining who is responsible for upbringing and if the poor kid was in his mothers care then who was responsible? Seems quite a stretch to blame him if he did not have custody.
Steve, why don’t you do your homework and track down the boys’ mom and get her take on the whole matter. She might be able to enlighten you on the track record of concern shown for the boy’s by the father and their other grandmother. Especially with regards to financial support for the boys.
You’re wasting your time when you try to reason with commenters here, particularly when it’s a matter of a lawsuit against a grandmother, a freak accident, an injured child, and a parent who lives in Massachusetts.
The scenarios that some readers come up with based on absolutely no evidence and knowledge of the law are amazing.
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“Rockland police initially had said the rope had become caught in the
wheel of a passing vehicle, but that later was determined to be
incorrect”?? Then how was his hand severed? The BDN report should’ve said the “situation leading up to the accident” was incorrect. Regardless, it’s tragic all the way around. A lawsuit is just going to prolong everyone’s suffering. Perhaps there’s more to the story? Did the grandma previously endanger the welfare of her grandson? If that’s the case, then the situation is different. If the grandma isn’t rich… well, as the saying goes, you can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip
The rope got caught on the wheel of the vehicle and severed his hand.Rockland police initially had said the rope had become caught in the wheel of a passing vehicle, but that later was determined to be incorrect. It got caught in wheel of the grandmothers car.
Guy probably never sees his children or contributes to their care…if he gets a dime I hope it all goes back to the children.
This grandmother on trial is a friend of mine. She has joyfully spent years and years of time and energy devoted to the nuture and support the life of those two boys and her daughter, their mother. I can testify to seeing this true blue grandmother moonlighting to help pay the bills, supporting her daughter as she got a nursing degree and cleaning the house, and buying the groceries day after day week after week year after year. This lawsuit will be followed by all of us and I know that this sperm only dad will reap a fine reward for his foolishness.
Please tell your friend that there are many people out there that are in her corner and do understand it was a tragic accident and nothing else. I can’t imagine how much she has suffered through this ordeal. She sounds like an amazing mother and grandmother. My heart goes out to her.
I cant believe that your comment hasnt gotton more likes! Took me awhile through to see this one. That is exactly what I had figured was the case. A *sperm donor* father out trying to sound like this big tough guy who adores his children and would do anything for them ya de la da shyt. I hope that they can prove that he is the scumbag that he probably is and have his lawyer shove it. Please tell her that I support her and looks like alot of others on here do and to keep her head up and good luck! :)
Is the father even active in his children’s lives? I know Mrs. Setz and the boys mother are, but this is only the second time I have heard anything about the father. I hope there is more to this story, but from what little I have heard of him, he sounds like he might be a real scumbag, trying to make a quick buck from his sons suffering.
“trying to make a quick buck from his sons [sic] suffering.”
It’s obvious that you don’t know what you’re talking about, but if you think you do, go ahead and explain how the father could make money from his son’s suffering, referring particularly to how the law regarding settlements on behalf of a minor would permit that. If you think it would help, tell us everything you know about tort law and insurance that would apply to this case.
No, you appear to be doing just fine. Explain away.
I’ve already explained it, as have a few other commenters here, in other comments. If you want to know how the settlements and payments from the proceeds of a settlement on behalf of a minor are disbursed, read the other comments on the points.
i understand completely how disbursements are made to minors and it is clear the money would go into an account for the injured child…but please explain to me why this would be done by the absentee parent as opposed to the custodial parent who lives right here in maine?
That’s a good question, and I don’t know the answer other than to say that if the mother believes that she, as the custodial parent in Maine, would be better suited to administer the funds, she could seek to intervene in the case and persuade the court that such a change is in the best interests of the child.
That is about what I [and most of those commenting] was thinking. Disgusting! That poor woman! I hope things work out for her.
In all likelihood, the father has to “sue” the grandmother in order to get the auto insurance company that Granny has been paying premiums to for the last 4o+years to pay the grandchilds medical bills.
The lawyer that is representing the plaintiff ( the childs father) will probably get at least 30%. IF the insurance company had stepped up and covered the claim, that would have been 30% more the child would have had. Probably the grandmother has $100,000. worth of liability insurance…that means $30,000. for the lawyer….$70,000. for medical bills and pain and suffering. Probably the medical bills alone are at least twice that amount. Don’t be too harsh on the the childs dad….probably grandmother understands too…if you are going to be upset with anyone, blame the insurance company for forcing people to hire lawyers to force the insurance company to honor the contract that they sell to policy holders in the form of automobile coverage.
I want to add that this money should go either for medical bills, or into a trust fund for the children. NOT to finance a trip for mommy or daddy to the Bahamas!
Why wouldn’t the insurance company be paying the expenses directly?
Lawyers don’t work that way in Maine.. They can get 30% plus all expenses, so in some cases it can be 80% of the total settlement
hmmm, you must have taken that “new” math I have heard about. My calculations are that subtracting 30% from 100% leaves 70%…..( minus expenses) where did you get 80 %?
Really? If the grandmother only had the required amount of car insurance (which many of us do), they will go after any assets that she has (her home, retirement fund, etc) in order to collect whatever they can. How do you know the insurance company is not paying the claims presented and has to be sued? I don’t know this family but from reading all the comments, it sounds like the father of these boys is not an active part of their lives, which is probably why the grandmother has been so involved, picking up the slack. My sincere sympathy to the mother, grandmother, and these two little boys.
Really?
Cna someone at the BDN please explain why my other post was deleted? It violated no terms of the agreeement?
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Once again. I hope and pray nothing like this ever happens again to such an innocent child. Many of us support the dad in the claim that there was wrongdoing on behalf on the childs legal guardian at the time. This was a terrible event that hopefully many can learn from. I personally hope the dads estate is victorious.
IS there something wrong with that post?
My comment was removed in response to your comment – so I will try posting again… and try to be a little more PC this time. According to people who directly know the family and the grandmother, the father lives in Massachusetts and very rarely ever sees his kids, he back-owes child support to the mother, and the grandmother is the one that is there day-in and day-out helping out the mother of these kiddos. If all of this is truly the case, then why does he see the need to sue for any other reason than to make some $$ for himself out of the situation? AND if that is the case, then I personally hope he is not victorious.
He won’t make any money for himself. Any settlement/recovery will have to be approved by the court and funds only disbursed for the child’s benefit.
Who will be in charge of the money — dad who doesn’t even pay support or care for the children? I’m sure he’ll make good use of the money under the guise of “taking care of his kids”
The court will be in charge of it inasmuch as any expenditures of the money before the child reachs his majority will require the court’s approval.
What is your factual basis for saying the father doesn’t pay support or care for his children? I ask the question because I don’t think it’s mentioned in the article.
She must have money.
She must have insurance.
You ARE clueless! Perfect screen name.
I’m sure the grandmother would like to help her grandson, and her insurance company is being a pain, I’d want my insurance company to cover it if I were her…
I suppose I could reply individually to several erroneous comments I have found here. The sad thing is that they are interspersed with comments already pointing out the answer. If only people would try reading comments already posted before they add one.
Anyway, it’s more or less standard practice to sue a friend or relative when it’s their insurance company that will be paying out. Sometimes the insurance company will just decide to pay the policy limits and then the plaintiff dismisses the lawsuit. It could be that the insurance company has already agreed to pay the auto insurance policy personal injury limit do that but she also has a PUP (personal umbrella policy) that covers additional liability. It’s not uncommon to have at least a million dollars PUP coverage on top of the auto and home insurance. Lawyers often agree to take a lower percentage unless it goes to trial in these type of cases. The son and his lawyer probably know how much insurance coverage grandma has. The goal would be to get it all quickly without setting foot in a courtroom.
“…it’s more or less standard practice to sue a friend or relative when it’s their insurance company that will be paying out. ”
Standard procedure as set by who? Immoral lawyers?
In the majority of cases I think the insurance company lawyers are the culprits.
What a rotten thing to do!!! As if this grandmother is not suffering enough! Looks like Daddy sees an opportunity to cash in at his little boy’s expense. If he does get anything I hope the judge orders $$ to go towards an account to fund future medical & therapy.
The grandmother suffering because of the lawsuit? Baloney! You don’t know what you’re talking about.
I just can belive what I just read – this is plain wrong!
I would argue on the grandmothers defense that the father should have been more aware of who his children were with. Maybe he is negligent for putting his children in the care of someone that he now believes is incompetent because of the accident. However as a mother of twins and three children. Driving these days is dangerous and little boys are busy and quick! I know as a grandmother i would sue my own insurance to get those bills paid! It’s not her fault! Accidents happen!
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The grandmother feels horrible, i’m sure. No reason to add fuel to the fire. Let the little boy get over this accident and move on. No need to drag it out in court. If he’s that hard up for money this is pathetic.
Seriously? Sue this poor grandmother that I would assume loves her grandkids maybe even more then the father does and he decides he is going to sue her? It was a horrible accident, and I am sure if she was able to do it all over again it would be different. Actually you could think that way, if she were to do it again would she of looked over her shoulder taking her eyes completely off the road and scolded the child and possibly got into a car accident doing worse damage to everyone in the car? It was not intentional so how can you have the nerve to sue her and make her feel way worse then she already does?
Wow, this guy is pathetic! All he cares about is making a buck! Not saying a child should be able to have a jump rope in the car, much less let it dangle out the window, but I wasn’t there to say whether she was negligent or not. I guess after seeing this, it’s not wise for a grandparent (or anyone) to watch someone else’s child just because of idiots like this.
This is a simple case of the father seeing all the money raised for his son for this tragic ACCIDENT, and being blinded by the almighty DOLLAR($) sign. He is obviously trying to get his greedy little hands on that money and has no problem with throwing the grandmother in the mud to get it.
Is this your professional opinion based upon the information you read in the article? Please explain……
I really can’t see how a lawsuit will fix anything. If will probably just succeed in causing more harm to this family. Money cannot fix everything.
Harm the family? Utter nonsense.
You seem to be on the bandwagon for the father — is it true that he doesn’t have anything to do with his children (doesn’t see them or pay child support) as is stated in many of the comments — you seem to think whatever is written is truth so are these statements true?
“you seem to think whatever is written is truth so are these statements true?”
More of your nonsense, along with your belief that I’m on the bandwagon for the father. I’m not on anyone’s bandwagon here.
But since you’re telling me what I think, please tell me exactly what statements have been written (i.e., “whatever is written is truth”) that you claim I have accepted as true.
To those of you who see this as an excuse to make a misinformed rant, you need not read further. It won’t make a difference. To those of you who have genuine curiosity and want to learn something, read on:
This father will not benefit $0.01 from this. It is entirely to benefit the boy who lost his hand. The boys’ recovery goes into a protected account, monitored by the court, exclusively preserved for the boys’ benefit. The money this father will have secured for his boys from this action will hopefully pay for an assistive device, college tuition, or something else to improve the boy’s quality of life. Someday, when all of this passes from the media cycle and we have forgotten about it, this boy will still have a lost or debilitated hand.
If Grandma is not 100% on board with this I would be surprised. She has been paying for insurance for years presumably. If not now, when is that insurance ever going to do more good?
The likelihood here is that the insurance company agrees to pay, the money goes into a trust for the boys, and everyone moves on. Dad is doing the right thing.
If this is the case — Good! If not and he’s a deadbeat dad then the money should go to the parent that is raising the children and providing for their care.
It is the case. Read LaxAttax’s second paragraph again, very carefully.
Rude much? I did read LaxAttax’s comment and comprehended it. I don’t however take every word stated in a comment section to be gospel.
Stupid much? Then tell me what there is in LaxAttax’s second paragraph that you disagree with and give me the factual and legal basis for your disagreement.
Still rude, I see.
Why should she/he take LaxAttax’s word as gospel in the comment section of the newspaper? There’s absolutely no reason to take their word, my word or anyone else’s word over any others here. Anyone here could claim to be anyone they wanted to be and we’d never know the difference.
Fine, don’t make judgments, be stupid, don’t use common sense, and don’t separate the good from the bad. But I make judgments, and when someone knows what he’s talking about, like LaxAttax, on how settlement proceeds will be used for the boy’s benefit rather than the father’s, I understand what he’s talking about and accept what he’s saying.
And you know this how? How are you so sure that LaxAttax knows what he is talking about?
Because I’m a lawyer and have handled cases involving settlements for minors.
Exactly — well said!
Trackside restaurant in Rockland to raise money for medical expenses. Fundraisers have collected more than $30,000. this is his problem
It was an accident, no ones fault. Why sould the insurance have to pay. Im sure her coverage has bodily injury included. It is lawsuits like this that make our insurance premiums so high. If Gram thinks her premiums are how now, they are nothing compared to what they will be if he wins the lawsuit.
Yes, I am sure the policy that she has been paying for has bodily injury but i am willing to bet the insurance company has not paid one cent. Our insurance premiums are high because of the greed of the insurance companies. They have attorneys on their payrolls, just to represent them so as to weasle out of paying legitimate claims. AND if the lawsuit is won ( as it should be) it will not affect grandmas premiums one cent.
If you want to know why our premiums are so high, take a look at the profits of the insurance companies…the wages and bonus the CEOs make. Look at the $ 3 million the insurance company in bangor paid this last week to have their name on the side of the auditorium. Just where do you think that money came from?
I agree the little boy should have whatever medical expenses he incurs covered, and I think the insurance would/should cover that amount. My heart goes out to him and I hope his recovery is quick and as comfortable as possible. But since when did getting into a tragic accident mean that the insurance company (or whomever you are suing) should pay to help put you through college? If that is what this father is looking for, he is still not doing the right thing. Insurance is supposed to indemnify you, not make you better off than you were before. That is what I take issue with. This society has become all about greed and trying to take each other for all we can get, at any and every opportunity. It’s really sad.
Psst. The father isn’t involved in the childs life. I don’t even think he pays child support. Toss the book at him. Complete A-hole. Anyone who sides with this guy is a nut job as well. Maybe the Grandmother saw the jump rope told the child to untie it. He’s a child how often do they react fast when told to do something.
There’s disagreement about how involved the father was in his child’s life. MaineSkier gives a different account. There’s nothing about it in the news article.
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It’s always about the good old dollar…….How much can we sue for……sue sue sue…all you hear….ka ching ka ching ka ching….it was a horrible accident, and the grandmother i’m sure feels bad enough…..
Why?
This is pretty sick! A “parent” that has had virtually no involvement in this boys life is suing the grandmother, who for years, has picked up his slack emotionally and financially. Is this out of the best interest of the son??? NO! It’s for his own personal gain. No judge, after seeing how little this father has done for his “son” over the past five years, would allow this to continue further. This is just plan wrong!
Why? Have you never heard of a accident?Shit happens all the time to kids should the state take all our kids away? You make no sense!!
This makes me sick…
Is he insane?? This is just another sign that society has dropped to a new low….
Accidents tend to happen as unfortunate as they are, now to have the capability mentally to think that it’s OK to now go ahead and sue the driver?? When does it stop….you read something like this and think there is no hope….
Good luck sleeping at night….time to get a subscription to Ambien
All I have to say to this is if there is anyone that should get any money out of this it should be the boy that was hurt in the accident. He is the one that has to suffer the rest of his life. Any money gained from this law suit should be put in the child’s name until he is 18. This father just wants money for himself and it isn’t him that has to deal with the pain and suffering. This father might have the right to sue but not the right to make out on the deal.
How do you know what the father wants or why he’s suing? Do you know anything at all about the law concerning claims and settlements on behalf of minors?
How is a father suing the mother-in-law going to impact the boy in years to come? No matter what the outcome of the lawsuit it can’t be in the best interest of a child’s mental and emotional health.
Honestly, that’s ridiculous.
No, unfortunately I am speaking from experience. Lawsuits take time, money and an emotional toll. Children always know when this turmoil is going on and it does effect them.
I would be surprised if this child knows what a lawsuit is, much less that he’s the subject of one. His mother, the custodial parent, isn’t a party to it. His grandmother is obviously a party, but she’s covered by insurance no doubt, and her insurance carrier pays for her lawyer and, if it comes to that, indemnification. I can assure you, speaking from many years of experience, that there’s rarely an emotional toll from this type of lawsuit. Moreover, the lawsuit is for the child’s benefit and will most likely be settled.
Bandbox, with all respect, I read all your comments and replies posted here and in those comments I hear little compassion for the child, mother and grandmother involved. Why?
It’s a fair question, and I’ll answer it. That I haven’t expressed sympathy for them doesn’t mean I don’t have any. I do. It was a freak and awful accident and must have been horrifying for them. Lots of other posters have expressed sympathy for them, but also hatred of the father because he has brought a lawsuit on his son’s behalf against the grandmother. Now I understand why a lot of people feel that way, but I’m a lawyer, I understand the legal issues involved, and look at it from a lawyer’s point of view. That’s appropriate because the article is about a lawsuit.
In my opinion, and I’m not going to go into all the reasons, I think the father has acted approprately, and if you read all my posts carefully you should understand why I say that. If my comments here have tended to be testy, it is, frankly, because so many commenters here have said things about the situation that are unfair to the father and just plain wrong on the law.
Sounds like another dead beat Dad looking to cash in on a tragic accident. Would like to know more about this guy; up to date on child support, ever in the twins life, loser looking for a buck or genuinely concerned? Doubt the last.
Yeah but daddy suing grandma won’t be ‘traumatic’ in anyway for the two boys…what a TOOL.
yeah massachussetts,another great citizen
the grandmother wont pay a dime, it will be her insurance company
Attempting to secure funds at the expense of your child’s unfortunate situation may be the epitome of disgusting parenting. This father’s actions are intentional while the grandmother’s role in this was a complete accident. Disgusting.
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Only a Masshole would bring a suit like this.
Hopefully the judge in this case is one of those old school hanging judge types that will look the father right in the eye and say: “Sir, this is the most despicable thing I have EVER seen.” Then he’d toss the case out and declare that the father needs to pay the legal expenses of the grandmother. Let’s get some lawsuit reform going too…oh wait, I forgot, all of the legislators for the most part used to be lawyers, never mind.
The father doesn’t even live near his kids so if he gets any money where will it go? The kids since he is saying it is for them or to him since he is the one doing this? Why is it that no matter what happens and who is involved people feel they must sue….. This is a sue happy world we live in.
He has to sue in order to get a fair payment from her insurance company. Insurance always tries to settle for low-ball amounts and suing is the only remedy.
Anthony Pignone sues the grandmother Sharon Setz, Judging by the last name i am guessing it is his mother in-law.. I admire him for that but it isn’t right to think that she is not traumatized as well from this freak accident.. If the grandmother is worthy of suing then she prolly was not worthy of watching over these children alone.. That being the case then the father is at fault.. And where was the mother during all this? What does she have to say about her husband suing her mother? Sounds like a dysfunctional family to me..
U know ppl these days really make me sick! First of all his son is alive! Let’s at least THANK GOD for that one! Second kids are resilient and they will get over this as they get older. It will not last forever! IF WE as adults or those that SHOULD BE ADULTS don’t make a big deal about it afterwards.. Third it seems to me Daddy is not in the picture? Mama is working needed grandma to watch kids?? So where was Daddy and why was he not offering to watch them? And where is his mind anyways?? Would you rather your child be dead because Grandma decided to run into something while trying to stop the child from his playing with the jump rope? Maybe she was getting ready to pull over to get the jump rope from him when this happened? It was an accident! And I have to agree with Crissy30 what a greedy lawyer to be taking this case! I wouldn’t! This is a shame a damn shame!
No, the grandmother is suffering because of the accident that injured her grandchild. The lawsuit is just adding to her misery- so I will say you don’t know what your are talking about.
Dad has no choice but sue grandma. Grandma has insurance on her car; that will pay medical bills and set aside a fund for the boy in case he has medical problems in the future. The money will not be a windfall to Dad; the Court should insist that it be kept in fund specifically for the benefit of the boy, and one that will require Court permission to access for each expenditure. The only way to get at the insurance policy limits is to sue Grandma. Accident or not; family or not — a suit is the only way to get at the policy. The insurance company will not just hand over money.
I disagree. The insurance company on their own will try to resolve this case to prevent from being sued. Sperm donor just beat them to it.
I was in an accident a few years ago and my insurance company wanted to settle a quickly as possible for the full amount I was insured for.
My heart breaks for Grammy, Noah’s mom who has done such a fabulous job raising these boys on her own because sperm donor does NOTHING and for Noah and Patrick. None of them need this. Accidents are accidents.
If that is the case, then why can’t the mother sue on behalf of the boy? I think the sperm donor has big dreams of deep pockets.
I am appalled by the father’s lack of compassion. What a money grubber. Can anyone say Lawsuit Lottery?
sue sue sue… insurance company pays…lawyers gets big bucks….family suffers….
Anyone think that maybe this is what society is today and we are responsible for all this to begin with for our failure to take responsibility for our own actions and pass the blame on others.
it doesnt matter what anyone thinks of the father even if he is a deadbeat dad for some reason they dont fault the father anymore it sucks but they dont and for the father to sue is almost a joke he must be an ignorant person the grandma im sure is upset enough as it is most grandmother give the children every thing they want and love spending time with them accidents happen tragic or not and we have no control over them they are beyond our control back to the father why wasnt the kids with him???????Well at least the little one is okay but i am sure it was very traumatic and he will always remember it but he will be ok and thats all they should care about the wealthfare of the child.. Nice father isnt he.
Now the fathers mother has set up a bank account in Mass and is posting online to a group called WE CAN to get donations. something smells fishy. its on the villagesoup site.
Obviously Grammy was deemed responsible enough to provide free babysitting.
Obviously Grammy was deemed responsible enough to provide free babysitting.
on what grounds?
Because he’s from Massachusetts (referred to up here as a Masshole), he’s suing a grandmother, and most of the people commenting here seem to dislike him?
Hey Everyone – this is the deal. The father is involved with the boys. He pays child support and sees his boys as often as possible. It’s the mother who chose to move to Maine after the relationship with the Father – occurred in the town where the father now resides – ended. Any funds as a result of this claim will go into a restricted account to be used only for the medical related bills for the injured boy. The father will have no financial gain. I understand where all your comments are coming from – based on limited knowledge – but now that you know the situation – hopefully you can understand why the mother and father are trying everything they can to raise funds for the son’s long recovery – expected over many years – of physical therapy and possible surgery – where health insurance may not pay all related expenses – including the costs of traveling back and forth to a Boston hospital and the parents missing work to bring their son to doctors and PT appts. Please remember there is always more to a story than what is reported by press or ‘hearsay’ or assumptions by people not knowledgeable of the complete situation. This is not a personal insult to the grandmother – but an effort for financial assistance for costs yet to be determined. That’s what insurance is all about.
i would love to know where you get your info? this definitely is NOT the deal.
It looks like there’s pretty strong disagreement between MaineSkier and you, so I hope he answers your question.
I’d like to hear from you, also. Where do you get your information? Do you know the father? Do you know the mother and the grandmother, have you talked to them about the lawsuit and, if so, what have they said about it and about the father?
ABSOLUTELY erroneous info. But nice try
MBMT, danger0517, banbox et al – You’re welcome to your assumptions and opinions…but unless you are responsible for this boy and his brother – you have no clue what has happened in the past, now or the future. You can listen to hearsay and second hand stories…I have relayed what I have witnessed but I refuse to turn this comment section into a Jackson-family style debate on who knows what and what is wrong or right. Airing family business in a forum is not healthy for anyone. It’s not your business nor is it mine to debate this terrible situation – we should only provide as much support we can to the entire family. Leave it to the parents to work out – with our support if they ask for it. Just don’t degrade the grandmother, father or mother for any actions they have taken or will take. You’re not living it; you shouldn’t judge…but if you ARE living it – we can continue this discussion in two years when all I have said is proven true.
2 years…when those boys turn 7? is that the magic year that this “man” will decide to be a grown-up and turn into a father? i agree, dragging the family’s business through the paper is terrible, but Mr. Pignone decided to do that when he filed a public lawsuit. i guess those of us that have watched the mother struggle to keep life afloat year after year will just have to sit back quietly for another two years. seems fair.
so true maineskier…which means that i know “what the deal is” and you do not.
Totally incorrect info. Where did you get this from? Daddy?
wow…you make this sound like the ‘parents’ are working together to make the best possible outcome for this child. which is totally UNTRUE. now and for the last 5 years.
A dead beat dad, who doesnt provide for his children trying to make a buck. Its sad!
What do you get if you cross a masshole with a lawyer? I don’t think its manna from heaven.