Starting this fall, the state will no longer give Maine school systems money to help pay their first-year teachers a state-mandated $30,000 a year. However, schools must still pay that minimum salary.
The law change, approved by the Legislature in February, is expected to save the state about $300,000 a year. It will cost some school systems anywhere between a few dollars and several thousand dollars.
Maine created the minimum teacher salary in 2006. At the time, the average first-year teacher in Maine made about $27,000 a year. The American Federation of Teachers, one of the largest teacher unions in the country, ranked that salary 45th in the nation and the lowest in New England.
Supporters of the minimum salary hoped raises would make it easier to attract and retain teachers, especially in rural Maine.
For the 2006-07 school year, the state required schools to pay new teachers at least $27,000. The following year that was increased to $30,000, where it would stay.
“But of course (school) districts said, and understandably so, ‘We can’t just jump to $30,000 overnight. That has a big impact,’” Maine Department of Education spokesman David Connerty-Marin said.
As part of the law, the state subsidized the higher wages, paying school systems the difference between what their teacher contracts called for and what the state required.
In 2007-08, when the minimum salary was increased to $30,000, the state paid out $1.8 million in subsidies. As teacher salaries have increased over the years, fewer school systems had pay so low that they needed state help. Last year, Maine paid out less than $300,000.
“It was always intended to be a temporary measure until salaries caught up and until the districts were able to adjust for it, not to be a permanent supplement,” Connerty-Marin said. “The time has come.”
The state subsidized 37 school districts last year. The lowest subsidy was $10.70 paid to the East Machias School Department. The biggest subsidy was just over $31,000 paid to RSU 67 in Lincoln.
Most school systems in Androscoggin, Franklin and Oxford counties did not receive state help because they paid their teachers $30,000 or more. Last year, SAD 17 in Oxford got just over $27,400 in subsidy; Auburn schools got about $1,800, and RSU 16 in Poland got $474.
Cathy Fanjoy Coffey, business manager for SAD 17, said the district had been paying new teachers $27,000 to $28,000 a year and getting a subsidy of $2,000 to $3,000 per person to bump up that salary. But the Oxford Hills School District just signed a new teacher contract that brought the lowest salaries to $30,600, so it wouldn’t have been eligible for any subsidy this year, even if the law had remained unchanged.
“The subsidy has bought us some time in order to get our salaries up,” she said.
Auburn pays its new teachers about $29,700. With three new teachers hired for the fall, it would have gotten about $900 in subsidy from the state.
Superintendent Katy Grondin said her school system budgets every year for $30,000 per new teacher because that’s the salary required by law and she didn’t want to take it for granted that the state would continue to subsidize. She wasn’t surprised when the subsidy was cut this year.
“You never can count on anything, so we did budget and plan for $30,000. If it’s in the law, you have to do it,” Grondin said.
The subsidy, she said, has been helpful in the past. Now Auburn doesn’t need that help so much.
“The state’s intent was not to do it from here on out,” Grondin said. “The intent was to help support school districts to get to the $30,000 mark. We have gotten close to it.”



Ouch. Not good news for local school officials. And maybe not good news for representatives running for re-election.
And yet another smooth move by this smelly (mis)administration.
“It was always intended to be a temporary measure until salaries caught up and until the districts were able to adjust for it, not to be a permanent supplement,” Connerty-Marin said. “The time has come.”
The time has come for Maine people to dump this lousy, special-interest backed, on-the-dole
governor and his gang.
Gotta say, screwing the education system isn’t just this governor. When was the last time the state paid out what they are legally mandated to pay for education?
By cutting the teacher salary a ‘sudden’ $ 300,000.– appears. Gee, where does one think that ‘sudden’ $ 300,000.– is going to wind up ? I know ! A useless Highway study that’s already been done 3 times over the last 40 years that all say the same thing.
The highway study money will be returned to the state when the highway is built and operating.
That highway will not be built, as it is not needed, nor wanted by Mainers.
Speak for yourself. “Mainer”
Hopefully, you’re correct.
Another unfunded mandate passed on to local municipalities. Once again “putting students first” except for budgetary concerns, mismanagement, turnpike fraud, DHS incompetence, politics………
The state subsidy for this was “intended to be a temporary measure”…..it looks like many school districts realized that the monies were not intended to continue on forever and made the necessary salary and budget allowances to prepare…..and many others have increased the starting salaries to meet the standard themselves, good job….and good move, IMHO…..
You are so right – I don’t know why this blog turned into class warfare. This article is about a State Government initiative program that actually worked. It was intended to sunset, and it did (perhaps a just a tad early), but clearly, the wiser towns/cities were prepared and don’t see it as a very big deal. Kudos to Our State for a successful program that spent our tax dollars wisely for once.
It’s pathetic that some schools still need the subsidity. And it is more pathetic we are trying to lure the best and the brightest for the most important job in the state on the cheap. Shame.
Don’t you realize that many on here hold a grudge against anyone who had the nerve to actually get a college education, and stay here…..and educate our kids…and buy homes, spend money, pay taxes.
I don’t begrudge anyone what they make for what they do in life, but it amazes me that people complain about the “brain drain” and our young people move out of state to find jobs, yet some act like $30K is some huge amount of money for a teacher. In this day and age with taxes/fuel/heat/mortgages/rising food prices, $30K is very little.
If a district does not value a teacher enough to start them at $30K (remember that 4 year degree that is required), then that district should be embarrassed….maybe they just sit back and wonder why the teachers go elsewhere.
$30,000 isn’t a whole lot of money considering how much education is needed. Heck you can work in a grocery store and make that kind of money and more (been there done that), without needing to pay back student loans.
I have a lot of respect for teachers, all that time spent in college, and a job that takes up most of their life, for a very modest salary.
The average teacher salary in Maine is $45110, without adding in benefits, subsidies, pensions, accrued vacation time, and may not be much where you live now; but in Eastport and S. Paris it’s a lot of money, when compared to what others earn in the labor region.
Some teachers don’t get benefits. We work 180 official days. That doesn’t count the planning time and paper correcting outside regular work hours. We do not get vacation days. We make more money than some because we have more education.
I’m quoting from the local contract, suggest you read your’s and contact your UNISERV rep.
Many of think it’s about time you got paid based on your performance as a teacher; not your ‘certs’ and ‘education’.
Sounds like you wouldn’t survive a merit pay clause?
I work in education and am for the merit pay system………as long as we start with the same standards for the parents. (you know, where a good education begins”…but I am sure with your attitude, why would your kids (if you have any) value education. You certainly do not.
Oh, and “many think” it is time for people who do not further their education to stop whining about all of the pay and benefits they don’t get doing what they do for a living.
And who, wise one, will determine the worthiness of their performance? Let me guess-Commissioner Bowen and his pals with the deep pockets? Or maybe the Czar himself, Lepage, who wouldn’t recognize intelligence if it hit him in his face.
You need help.
We’re talking about starting wages. Quit distorting the issue by factoring in teachers with masters degrees and decades of experience. The starting wage is around 30,000.
Who pays for those masters’ degrees, by the way? Answer –> in most districts, it’s the taxpayers.
LOL and then the tax payer doesn’t benefit from it? Get real.
Sometimes it’s money well spent- sometimes it’s not.
Average cost of daycare in Maine (2011) $180 per week per child (5 day week). Teachers work 180 days per year, 180/5 = 36 weeks. $180.00 X 36 weeks = $6,480.00 So if there are 18-20 kids per class on the high end that is (20 x $6,480) $129,600.00. I dunno, $30,000 a year seems pretty reasonable in comparison.
You need to factor in the cost of maintaining your “daycare” facility, paying employer taxes, self-employment taxes, insurance, etc.
You haven’t figured in the health insurance and retirement costs per school employee.
Pretty sure it heath insurance and retirement isn’t $100,000.00 per person so it’s still a much better deal.
My insurance with Anthem cost the district about $8500. Full family is upwards of $18000, I think.
We PAY for our benefits. I pay $300 a month for health insurance for my husband and myself. That comes out of my salary- which is below what you said the state average is- and I’ve been teaching for 15 years.
What accrued vacation time are you talking about????? We get paid for the days we work and we CHOOSE to have our pay spread out over 12 months. We are not technically paid for time off.
No pension plan. It’s Maine State Retirement and it’s not a great plan either.
I love my job and I am not going to complain about what I get paid, but I don’t like when people are misinformed about things.
I’ve just read two contracts and I’m quoting from them. Please quote your provisions for vacation time, etc. I realize not all districts are the same; but damn close to it.
I don’t get paid for vacation time. Only the days I work on contract. Most extra work is donated because I care about my students. I facilitated a club every week for nothing but the personal satisfaction of giving an outlet to students. We teachers enjoy our unpaid time off in the summer and other breaks… and divide our incomes up in to segments so we can make the best use of our salaries. Those of you who want to have summers off without pay — go for it. That is NOT paid vacation time. Also I pay for my medical, dental and vision. Finally, I get a minute or two during the entire day to hit the restroom and about 10 minutes to wolf down the yogurt I bring from home.
many districts are worlds apart from others.
Not really, the MEA takes the ‘winning’ contracts and uses them in the next district to pry loose more benefits; and so on. It’s their bargaining strategy to use this ‘bandwagon’ effect.
Your very wrong here- the district next to mine makes much more than we do.. Contracts are not all the same.
What school districts are you citing that pay for “vacation time”. I got paid for my contracted 180 days ….. if sick time was not taken then I could accrue sick time up to 120 days, but teachers are not paid for nor do they earn “vacation time”.
$300 per month, for two people? Good luck finding that kind of deal in the private sector these days. You’d be paying 80% of the cost, if you even got health coverage.
So you’ve got three choices.
1. become a teacher and live off the fat o’ the land
2. find a private sector job that offers those benefits
3. stay put where you are and cynically complain
You might want to check again, because Maine State retirement is pretty good!
Did the others spend thousands on a college degree?
Organicgardener, I don’t think that teachers in Eastport and South Paris make the state average. Teacher contracts in southern Maine are much higher than those in the downeast region, and so they drive up the average. I encourage you to go to your local school district and read the teacher contract yourself. If there is something you disagree with, please either run for the local school board and enact change, or contact those already on the board and talk to them about it.
That’s your right in our country, and you should be pro-active about your thoughts. If you truly feel that teachers make too much, don’t complain about it anonymously in the BDN forums, change it.
[N.B., I completely disagree with you and think that teachers don’t make enough.]
Base salary at SAD 17, which covers S. Paris is $28,106
http://www.sad17.k12.me.us/jobs/contracts/Teachers%2011-12.pdf
I was referring to average salary, not base salary, given that you were citing the average salary for teachers in Maine.
Read the rest of the contract, if you dare.
No, that figure is very wrong. No teacher I know, long standing teachers, make 45,000
Every district in Maine is different, depending upon the location. Some make more than others.
I know a few who make over $100k. in the Portland area.
yea umm well, you realize Portland really isn’t Maine, right?
The average (mean) is a faulty measure of central tendency because outliers tend to distort. Give us the median salary and then we can talk.
Hey, remember when MBNA started….people could start at $28-$30K 15 years ago (without any college). Yeah, let’s begrudge teachers making $30k. There is very little value placed on education by a lot of people in the comment section of BDN. If you want healthcare as part of your benefits package, then get a job that offers it. If you can’t find it, go back to school like so many other people do and further your education. Yes, it comes down to that. College loans will haunt me for years, but that is the price I am willing to pay for a career I love.
Exactly what do some of you believe a starting teacher, with their education and qualifications should make?…….the same as the high school dropout who flips burgers? Maybe the college kid who works at the mall?
Curious as to what grocery store pays the equivalent of $15 an hour. Maybe upper management. $30,000 is pretty decent for Maine – especially central and northern Maine. Education should somehow be commission based – provide an incentive for teachers and faculty to *all* work hard at their jobs and not go through the motions.
The grocery stores that I have worked for (including Hannaford), department managers (not considered upper management) pay between $15-20 per hour, I made $19. Meat cutters make similar wages as department managers. Cake decorators can also make $15 per hour.
Meat cutters and cake decorators have specific skills that demand a higher wage, but neither one requires college, and skills can be acquired on the job.
Upper store management (store manager and assistants) are 40k and up. It’s not uncommon to see a store manager with experience and good management skills making 50-60k per year.
Ahh, so one does not necessarily need an expensive college education to make good money, that could be one of the points we are trying to make here. Should not teachers also be held accoutable as to the quality of the product they pass down/up the assembly line.If you get a special occasion cake from the store/bakery and the cake taste awful the frosting and decorations are all melted or blended together what do you do? You take it back and demand a refund. Some folks have even sued a bakery for the cake not being up to their standard for the event it was ordered for. And there is also word of mouth. ” That bakery S*U*KS go somewhere else” If you don’t like one of you kids teachers you may have to move to another town to get a different teacher in the elementary grades and in High school your kid can drop the class but maybe stuck in a study hall or some dumb downed class and worrying about haveing enough credit to graduate and having the right classes so they do not have to take the Remedial courses to go to college.
Not to mention, most school employees (like other public staff) receive Cadillac health benefits, for which they pay relatively little.
You want to pay them less, but have them do more and more — how is that going to work? how are you going to attract new teachers with that kind of attitude?
Yes, again, the nerve of somebody with a college degree to actually have benefits. Oh how we hate the educated in Maine.
We pay 17% of our premium- some districts more- some less.
Sure. Put them on an assembly line and make them fill their quota every day. Cookie-cutter education, now there’s an idea. Too bad so many communist countries beat us to it.
Especially with a family to support.
Whether the state pays it, or the schools pay it, you realize it’s the same people paying it, right? You people need to stop pretending that State or Federal money comes from this magical money tree. It’s OUR money.
And that fact is that we SHOULD pay for it. This is good spending. You really think 30,000 is going to attract the best and brightest?
When I started teaching in the 70s the head custodian came into my room one afternoon. He told me two things: that he made 3 times what I did(everyone’s salary was in the local weekly). and to leave his heaters alone.
LOL
We all remember those noiseyclassroom heaters. They looked like they belonged in a hampster cage. If the kid sitting next to the heat had a wet wool jacket on-it got pretty stinky by the end of that period. They have Gortex now.
Glad to see that you admit that teaching doesn’t attract the best and brightest. How is paying the teachers that are currently teaching going to change things. Paying the current teachers more isn’t magically going to make them the best and brightest. Pay teachers who do a great job more and teachers who do a poor job or even getting rid of them and you’ll attract a better caliber of teacher.
As it is now we pay teachers like interchangable widgets. As long as they continue to draw breath we pay them more every year for doing the same job.
I think it’s silly to pretend you’re going to get kids to pursue a career in education when the starting salary is what they could make elsewhere without a degree.
I think it’s dishonest to act like teachers aren’t held to a certain standard already. Attaching pay to it wouldn’t help. We already attach federal funding to school performance and it does little beyond having schools teach to the standardized tests. People screech about “merit based pay” but they rarely have any details about how exactly attaching pay to performance would work. I’ve never seen that happen really in the private sector either beyond with bonuses. Seems like a lazy excuse to bust the unions.
But whatever, I’m really not in the mood to engage with people who smear the teaching profession and don’t respect how much they do for us. It’s pathetic, childish and rude.
What is pathetic, childish and rude is charging the taxpayers $130,000 to “educate” a child and having him show up at college and require remedial classes. Have a little professional pride in your work and quit promoting children who have not learned the material just so no one will be held accountable for the failure.
I’m not a teacher. Don’t make assumptions and act like they’re fact. It kind of undercuts everything you say.
Paying teachers more, and giving more respect, will attract more of the brightest and the best. After reading this comment section, why would anyone want to enter the profession?
And yet there are no lack of teachers. When was the last time you saw a teaching job go unfilled?
How will paying the current teachers, who you admit aren’t the best and brightest, more magically make them better? Are they not doing their best now?
When it comes from the state, the money is derived from a larger community pot of money. When it comes from a small rural town, the resource pot might be a bit more strained.
So, in 2006 Maine’s starting salary was 45th in the nation and the state mandated a $30,000 minimum salary to make us competitive. Six years later, most schools have met that minimum without state subsidy. Does that mean that Maine’s minimum salary is now competitive? What is our rank today? It is hard to believe that the salaries in other states have not increased. I would suggest that, rather than eliminating the subsidy for districts unable to meet the $30,000 minimum, the state should revise its minimum salary upward. The governor is quite critical of the level of educational achievement in Maine, but when it comes to attracting the best and brightest to teach in Maine, we don’t seem to want to pay for it.
The State may be moving toward a Master Teacher Corps, all with MAT’s, paid for out of a State budget line, and assigned to the neediest schools….and all regarded as professionals with NO union contract.
My experience working with MAT student teachers has not been promising. Just saying . . . .
How about non-certified military teachers or Urban Teacher corps grads?
The MAT seems to be an emerging national standard, no?
Most Maine residents can no longer afford to pay for more increases to school employee salaries, after decades of steady increases for education budgets. Our own (RSU 21) has increased 285% since 1994 – from $13M to $36M. Meanwhile, we have 700+ LESS students today than we did in 1994.
In our district, a full 80% of the school budget increases since 1994 have gone to salaries and benefits. Many of Maine’s residents have no more to give, particularly with the increase to every other cost of living.
Expenses are higher because a) it is costing for Special Ed., because we are dealing with bigger caseloads, especially emotionally disturbed kids; b) fuel and health insurance costs are a huge chunk of the budget- and you know how those have gone up; and c) you are paying for administration to handle student data and testing. Teacher salaries are a part of it, but not the only one. And once again, you get what you pay for. Young people graduating from university are carrying way too much debt- going into education just isn’t as easy financially.
There are times I wonder if we can fund public education the same way.
Exactly. If you check current salaries, I am sure Maine is still in the lower 50%.
From the Teacher Certification web site:
Teacher Salary vs. State Average Salary: The average teacher in Maine makes 129% of the salary of the average worker in Maine
Number of Vacation Weeks Per Year: The average teacher in Maine receives 15 weeks of vacation per year” http://certificationmap.com/st…
Pretty sad that the average worker in Maine only earns $23,256 per year.
In Greenville, the teachers were in the top 5% of wage earners according to Maine DOL.
…and then you wonder why there is so much resistance in rural areas to school budgets and teacher pay & benefits.
Yes, it is sad. What’s worse is that the cost of living is higher than ever, and so are our taxes, due to the massive spending increases on all levels of government. Town, city, county, school, state, national.
When you add in all the benefits and subsidies; a beginning teacher—who is a provisional hire until they prove they can actually manage a classroom, still makes about $36/hr($28 + $8.40 benefits) for every teaching hour specified in the Union contract(don’t forget it only covers 175 days/year).
In most labor areas in Maine, that puts a beginning teacher in the top twenty percent of wage earners and makes them an economic elite! ….and then when they make the average teacher’s salary of $45110, they move into the top five percent in regions like Greenville!
…..now add in the income from summer jobs, coaching, etc. and those saved up vacation days.
Yep, we are just getting rich being in education. How dare we get an education and stay in our state and educate our youth.
Income from “saved up vacation days?”???????? IF a teacher also coaches (you do realize that is still more work, right?) just like if somebody else was working two jobs. You also realize that in many (probably MOST districts in Maine), that whopping $30K starting salary might only grow to $40K over 15 years.
Hmm.
..dental and eye care;
..able to retire after 15 years;
..sabbatical leave for a year at half salary;
..1 year child rearing leave;
..legislative leave;
..study leave;
.. professional leave;
..breavement leave of up to five days w/pay;
..General leave of up to 4 days, 1 of which can be taken to attend the scheduled parents’ weekend of a college student attended by a child of the teacher;
..17 days of sick leave a year, “accumulative to the maximum of 130 days”;
.. reimbursement/prepayment for study with a max of 18 credit hours per year for courses leading to a master’s degree, required textbooks and all academic fess are reimbursed or prepaid;
.. max. of 9 credit hours for non-master’s degree courses.;
..Stipend positions at the rate of $16.75/hr. ;
..getting paid $25/hr for curriculum work on non-school days.
Now compare that to your own job and tell me who is ‘suffering’? **These benefits were taken from a local district’s contract.
That is a heck of a contract. I have NEVER worked for any company OR school district that paid for eyecare. Yes, courses are typically paid for by districts. Of course teachers also need to be recertified every 5 years and 2 courses in that timeframe will meet that requirement. I think I have 2-3 personal days a year and not 17 days of sick leave (not that I know of many teachers who are out very often). The cumulative effect of unused days I see as a short term disability (if I ever had to have an operation, I could use any unused days. 1 year “child rearing” leave might be offered (as in that teacher would keep their job but I do not believe that would be PAID leave for a year…no way).
The ability to retire is set by the state. Retiring after 15 years is virtually meaningless because of the huge hit the teacher would take for every year under 60 he/she is. Professional leave is pretty standard (what type of “leave” should a teacher use to go to a conference or workshop…many times mandated by their district?
Military personnel can retire after 20 years (no college required). Do you hate them too?
You keep being envious of how good teachers have it in Maine. I am on my way out to look at a few Mercedes since I am apparently rolling in dough being in education.
I also think bereavement pay is available in private companies as well.
Stipend work at $16.75/hour (that could be anything?….coaching, overseeing a club, etc.
$25/hour for curriculum work in the summer sounds pretty standard. Not that there is much of that these days. Budgets are very tight and summer work is very rare in my district.
I was on the negotiating team the third and last year I taught. That process drove me out the door. Arguing over $200.00 a year at two in the morning was a big help to me at 25 years old. Teachers should know that they have skills that are highly desirable in the private sector.
You shouldn’t even reply to his comments. You just will encourage more lies from him. I think the majority of the people in this State appreciate teachers and what they do. Their job is probably much more important that his.
Where did you get the idea that a teacher can retire after 15 years? As for all the leave time you quoted, most school districts grant leave time without pay! If you are talking about starting wages most new teachers spend multiple hours every week planning and writing lesson plans, grading home work, and researching enrichment material outside of the textbook.
Who can retire after 15 years? You lose a certain percentage per year under 40 years. If someone retires after 15 years, they would lose more than 85% of their $30,000 salary. If my math serves me correctly, that means they would make $4,500 a year. Last I checked, you can’t survive on that- especially since a teacher cannot receive Medicare or any social security they may have paid in from a previous job.
As far as a year off for child raising? They don’t get paid for that. It just means they can get their job back. If you check with most professional jobs, you’ll see similar benefits.
Most maternity leave is 6 weeks in the private sector, you don’t come back you’re fired.
Give this some thought. I graduated from the University of Maine in the early seventies after paying about $8,000.00 for 4 years of college(tuition-room and board). My first salary as a public school teacher was $8100.00 in 1976. These kids are starting around $30,000.00 after investing around $70,000.00 or more (tuition -plus room and board). It’s worse than ever. I stayed for 3 years-that’s about average for a young teacher before they quit and move on to something else. Starting pay should be all of $50,000.00.
That was then; this is now.
Start low, and earn your way to the top with performance. Prove you’re worth $50k.
Why be a physics teacher for 30k when you could be a mechanical engineer earning 100k after a few years? Are you of the opinion that teachers have no other options in life? I’m curious about your educational background. You seem to have little regard for the investment teachers have made in their educations or the debt that they have to pay on such low salaries.
Something you’ll never hear on a college campus, “I couldn’t cut it in the colege of education, so I switched majors to engineering”.
In many cases that’s probably true-however- I think there are teachers in math and science that could have been engineers or research scientists. Female teachers at retirement age today faced some obstacles years ago that women have broken through today.They simply have more options. I tried to convince my daughter to become a science teacher at the college level. She’s a Pharmacist.
I was mentored by my biology teacher; she wanted me to major in it but I choose engineering. I’ll never forget the day she brought in caviar for us to taste, as an ‘education’. YUCK.
When I was in college in the 70’s I heard the opposite quite often. If you couldn’t cut the engineering courses your adviser would recommend you look into the college of education and switch majors.
Just keep trashing the profession- and see why you’ll have a teacher shortage in about 8 years.
There’s certainly no teacher shortage now. They way Maine demographics are lining up I sure hope there are fewer teachers in 8 years or we’ll have teachers teaching classes of 8 and 10 and paying the teachers more than we are now. If that happens we’ll be paying a quarter million for each child we “educate”. Heck, Dale McCormick could build a 1,000 square foot “affordable” apartment for that kind of money.
How about, “I couldn’t cut it in anything, so I bamboozled the easy ones and became their governor?”
Ha!
Getting old.
I know of 2.
What makes you so sure it is that easy to educate your “Little Sweethearts”?
For starters, 9 years of higher education, starting in a top rated engineering school, I read and comprehend very well; including another language.
Your turn.
Your turn to start being honest. Most of the people here seem capable of it, but not you.
I’m done for the day-I enjoyed the conversation that you owned this day. Have a great weekend!
Engineering school doesn’t make an engineer. I have worked with many who didn’t know how to turn a screw. I have also worked with some of the top Tooling Engineers in the East. I didn.t chriticise the wages of any of them. Maybe you should stick to the gardens.
Few teachers i know could get an engineering degree. They just could not handle the course difficulty.
Certainly the math/science/technology specialists could.
I know a LOT of extremely smart teachers. Why would you assume we are not smart? Because we chose to be teachers?
I took Calculus 1, 2, 3; Discrete Mathematics; and 45 other math credit hours, as well as Chemisty, Physics, and several other tough science and computer courses- and had a 3.2 cumulative gpa. I think I could handle the course difficulty.
My daughter’s science teachers at Brewer High were very smart people. She was able to get credit at UMO for her AP phyisics classes as well as other courses. Perhaps you don’t know all 12,000 teachers in our state.
You’re probably right, 90% of the teachers give the rest a bad reputation.
Tell all of us where you went to school. We’ll put out the warning to stay away.
Many of us are; some admittedly, are not.
Oh? And what, besides moving chairs around at town hall meetings, does the governor’s daughter do to earn her keep, which also includes free housing and meals?
Give the governor bit a rest at least once a day. Not the topic here.
Whatever happened to Incentive/ If the teachers are paid a decent salary , Or had something to entice them to be the best teacher they can, then maybe and hopefully , our students would have the positive attitudes to do their best. Currently this country is in a financial mess. We have bins in banks and stores to donate school supplies, the same supplies that many of the Boomers were simply given to them at school . That shows the decay of our educational money bank. It is time to treat our teachers with the respect they deserve.
Maybe if each teacher was paid a bit less then there would be plenty of money for supplies. Any time you start to think that the kids come first in education, remember that you never hear the superintendent say that he’s concerned that he won’t have money to pay the teachers. Instead he takes money from supplies and school maintenance to make sure the teachers are taken care of first. The teachers come first and the kids are an afterthought.
I agree with you partly. However, when teachers have a difficult time paying basic bills and Not living above their income, then often the financial drag does reflect on even the desire to be at school. That is the same for all professions. You are correct that superintendents do not spout concern about having funds to pay teachers salaries. The country on a whole is experiencing a financial turmoil and keep in mind that today, school supplies are not just pen and paper. We have electronics to supply and those are the expenses. Having said all that, it does seem to work out each year but I know many teachers who just barely get by financially. That is fact.
How about UMaine not costing so much?
Yeah, there’s an idea. Let’s cut their funding and funnel it all to the glorified correspondence schools that are Lepage’s darlings.
How about start with sports budgets. really pay Cosgrove $250k a year for a part time job when the sports program cost $8 million a year more than they bring it.
She only thinks about lepage. Any reasonable conversation will not be tolerated by that gal.
Medical and Dental – premiums taken from salary for additional adult and/or family (children)
Retire after 15 years – at a reduced rate than if working to retirement age
Sabbatical – yes, at half salary and generally taken to continue your education or medical emergency
6 weeks maternity leave – paid through sick time available … if you have 20 days of sick time accrued you get paid for 20 days …ex. if you take the full 6 weeks the remaining time you take is unpaid
2 personal days – for personal use like funeral of a non-relative or doctor’s appointment and must be approved by the admin.
12 sick days – max of 120 days
Reimbursement for university courses – with a max. of 2 courses (6 credits) per yearly contract, text books reimbursed if donated to employing school after course completed
Stipend positions at a set contracted rate for position
Workshops on non-school days (ie Feb. vacation, April vacation or summer) if mandated by the school district …. contracted salary divided by 180 days, per day. If not mandated by the school district ….. may be reimbursed if approved by school district
Retirement System – 7.65% of salary per year
.. Homwork gradeing
… test Gradeing
… drafting lesson plans
… parent teacher conferances
… pta
… detention halls
… lunch detail
…curriculum design
….Teacher workshops
…night school
Recovering from the germ factory!!!!!!!!!!!
More ecteras than you can shake a ruler at!
I should hope teachers put in extra time outside of that school day. The school day is 5 1/2 hours.
oldmainer… Our day begins at 7:18am and we are required by our contract to be there until 2:48, which is seven and a half hours. Add to that the time we spend doing reports (I am a special education teacher), IEP meetings, department meetings, grading papers, lesson plans, and on a typical day, I leave school around 5pm. In doing old fashioned mathematics, that adds up to nine and a half hours. Now before someone starts in about having summers off, that is when we learn new curriculum for our classes, attend workshops, take classes to keep our certifications, and clean our rooms to get ready for the next school year.
It would be wonderful if the students would all show up with respect for others, manners, and a desire to actually learn. Teachers are teachers because we want to be, not because we couldn’t do anything else. The good teachers come to the field of education from other careers, not because they couldn’t make it there, but because they wanted to make a difference.
You are way, way off on many of these.
Hey, you might want to compare some of those bennies to what our illustrious governor gets.
Our teachers at least produce a worthy product. Lepage? Well he sure serves as a fine example of the Peter Principle, if nothing else.
Worthy product??? 20% of our best and brightest students, who are given the “professional” teacher stamp of approval, are unprepared to begin college.
What has that got to do with starting wage for teachers? You think everyone should make less than you, regardless of education? How much wage and benefits do you make? Maybe we’ll critique your job.
Your math is totally off. There is no way of determining how many hours a week a teacher puts into their job. They don’t walk in the school doors magically prepared and then leave everything at school at the end of the day allowing papers to magically grade themselves.
We’re talking about STARTING wages. You’re factoring in teachers with decades of experience and masters degrees in order to distort the issue. That’s dishonest.
Hey, remember, education means nothing to many in the comment sections. We all should have dropped out of school after the 8th grade and gone to work on a boat or in the woods (both fine careers if that is what you like….but don’t loathe people who GOT an education AND stayed in Maine to work with Maine’s kids. Maybe starting teacher pay should be what?….$11/hour…or is that just a little too much?
Yeah, just let the private sector take over! It’s such a joke that we’ve come to a point in this country where we demonize educations. Where facts and academics are like these evil tools of the elite. Just so ridiculous.
ah, you hate the elite!
It must be their excellent and advanced education that’s the reason.
That’s not what I said in my comment at all.
If you’re going to hinge on a blatant lie, I think you’re proving that you’re an ignorant person and don’t have a great argument at all.
When your political ideology is based on pride of ignorance, how could you possibly value education?
When solid research is termed ignorance; I know I’m arguing with union goons.
You wouldn’t know “solid research” if it bit you in the A**.
Hang it up and save your energy, folks. Organic’s been messing with bs so long, it’s affected her or his brain.
I’m not in the union and I’m a smart teacher. Hmmm… I’ve thrown off your “generalization” of stupid teachers who depend on the union to get by. What’s your argument going to be now?
Do you support ANY profession at all or do you just not support teachers?
I doubt these conversations happen in Finland. The profession is highly respected there.
The republicans in Texas are trying to eliminate the teaching of critical thinking in their state and because Texas is so large it has an overreaching effect on textbooks that go to all over the country. Critical thinking!
We do not value education any more in this country. Jefferson, Madison, Washington….must be rolling over in their graves. So much for wanting to do what the Founding Fathers wished….educate the populace to keep away despots and keep democracy in the republic strong. The republicans want sheeple who will believe their lies.
Go ahead- put us on a time clock- I dare you.
these people making $45K per year often have advanced degrees (most have completed at least some graduate school) and have a decade or more of experience (especially in rural areas where it takes a _long_ time to earn that much money). I had parents with 30 years experience teaching and when they retired they had been making around $45K. Compare that to me — I took a job out of grad school for $50K, which was below market rate but I was able to stay in Maine, which added some value to the position (in my opinion). One year later I was making $65K, a few years later it was around 75K, and now I am making $90K. $50K – $90K in 7 years (and I could be making $110+ in Boston).
These people are not making that much considering their education level.
But remember education means nothing to most on here. I am finally making some decent money in education (FINALLY…many years and 2 grad degrees later), but yes, as you said, there are many districts in Maine where you have to work forever to get over $40K. That is ridiculous yet some on here will demonize your parents because they had healthcare as part of their benefits.
I am glad you are doing well and that your parents devoted their careers to helping kids.
Most school districts pay for the employees to get those higher degrees. You won’t find that at your average insurance company or working at a doctor’s office.
My sister got paid/reimbursed for her course work. She’s a nurse.
I think a lot of people, like myself, are just sick of hearing teachers whine incessantly about their career choice. I have some teacher friends on the ol’ FaceBook (aka narcissist central) and it seems they do nothing but moan and groan about how little they make for what they do.
I think a lot of us are just tired of hearing about them complain when they seem to have it so good compared to the rest of us for, basically, a part-time gig that is 100% taxpayer supported.
Sure would be nice to see a little humility is all. It grates on our nerves after a while, especially as the private sector is getting creamed in this economy.
When not moaning and groaning they are patting each other on the back telling each other how they are the best. All the poor teachers are in “other” schools.
We’re not whining about our career choice- we’re tired of taking the blame for kids who come from homes where education is not respected, of being asked to work with less than sufficient resources.
A lot of us work with incompetent customers or even incompetent bosses/upper management, and a lot of us are most definitely given less than sufficient resources, if any at all, to work with and are expected to do it for a lot less, financially and “fringe” benefit-wise. We can either accept that as a fact and continue on or we can bail. What makes teachers any different?
Schools are not the same as a business. Get that myth out of the way. Dealing with a parent, or an unruly student is not the same as a hard-to-handle customer- we will see them again, you might not see the customer again. And who’s to say non-teachers/administrators don’t whine about their situations?
Part-time gig?
Let’s see: nurses work 3 days a week, which means around 150 days a year (after taking out vacation days and such.)
My chiropractor works just 4 days a week and takes 5 weeks off during the year… Let’s see, that would equal 188 days.
One of my buddies works for a month on and then a month off for a contracting business. So he works a total of 20 days a week for 6 months a year. Hmmm…. 120 days
Are all of these part-time gigs too? Just wondering…
Actually, yes. I would also classify that as part-time and/or seasonal employment.
Considering that about 20-25% of Americans have college degrees, and teachers must have a college degree to work, is it wrong to (barely) put a teacher in the top 20% of wage earners? Should they instead do it for pennies on the dollar and sacrifice their economic well-being as well as that of their children?
From the Teacher Certification web site:
Teacher Salary vs. State Average Salary: The average teacher in Maine makes 129% of the salary of the average worker in Maine
Number of Vacation Weeks Per Year: The average teacher in Maine receives 15 weeks of vacation per year” http://certificationmap.com/st…
I don’t quite understand what point you’re trying to make here (I don’t think copying down statistics from some website without any commentary really says anything). Let me review the discussion: I was saying that teachers are professionals, and I was hinting that, in America at least, your education level has a lot to do with your salary. Since teachers are by default in the top 20-25% of all Americans in terms of their education, is it surprising that they may be in the top 20% of wage earners? And this is, of course, assuming that your facts are correct (which I maybe should be suspect of, since it appears you have an agenda against teachers).
And shouldn’t you be comparing their salaries to not the “average worker” in Maine, but those of similar education and training? That’s an apples to apples comparison. Why should we compare teacher salaries to those who work at Walmart, McDonalds, or even those who lobster? Why do you have a so much of a gripe with people earning a living?
I cite facts and provide sources, you do neither….but I have to believe you? huh…go ride your bike with the rest of the kids.
It is ridiculous to compare a teachers education with that of an engineer or attorney or doctor. All degrees are not of equal difficulty.
That is true- but, how important is the work of a teacher, or a group of teachers, to the future of a child?
and an “average worker” in Maine has what education, exactly? Let me guess, teachers should make what the burger flipper makes, right?…or maybe the part time waitress…or ……
Careful there, you really don’t know what is takes to be a good waitress or server do you?
Besides these people are paid for their performance; unlike teachers who for the most part are paid regardless of how well the students they teach learn. This what merit pay is all about.
I’ve been fortunate to be a teacher in Maine for a number of years and like most teachers have held a number of other jobs over the years to make ends meet. I have waited tables, gone sternman, painted houses, cooked, coached, clerked, tutored, worked at summer camps and never complained about it. I have also earned a master’s degree, volunteered countless hours and generally enjoyed life.
I expect to be treated fairly and compensated fairly.
Teachers in Maine are underpaid compared to our peers around the nation and yet continue to provide excellent results. Maine kids often score well on national measures yet we are 45th in the state rankings in pay – when does that merit pay system kick in?
I don’t worry too much about my compensation because I know what I make – a difference!
Counted in that average pay for Maine workers are a sizable number of entry level minimum wage jobs in the service industry that end up never paying more than $12 an hour.
So just because they are 129% of the average salary does not mean they are well paid or over paid for what they do.
The real relevance is what Maine teachers make compared to teachers elsewhere, which was quite low when the program was set up.
So what. Stop whining, get the training, become a teacher, and learn from inside what’s really going on, instead of being an unmarried marriage counselor.
In countries where education is a priority, teachers are in the highest 20%.
As well they should be. Unfortunately, Maine’s Lepage teaparty friends have done everything they can to denigrate teachers and push education to the bottom of the list. All this while Lepage has the nerve to hold himself up as a champion for Maine’s future. Sure. The Peter Principle in action, that’s what he is. Nothing more.
They want to privatize some more so that whoever is lining the Gov’s palms with some silver will make a bigger profit, regardless of the quality of teaching/learning.
I hate to tell ya gahhdnah, but the Teacher and his family still needs to eat 365 days a yeahhh!
That puts him right down there with the welfare group!
Dontcha Know!!!?
If you want good people teaching your children or administrating your schools, you’re gonna have to pay them. They can make more money doing other things.
It’s the old, “You get what you pay for.” You want rent-a-teachers? Pay them minimum wage or better yet, pay them Lepage’s “training wage.” You want poorly-educated students? Support Lepage and his behind-the-scenes puppet masters.
Please one post that has nothing to with lepage. Did he take away your livelihood , I mean social services? You certainly have it out for the guy.
Oh and for sure don’t forget to include all the summer hours they spend keeping up, by continuing their education. Now add in the loonng hours they spend grading papers every weekend. Oh did you forget those? Too bad we didn’t have a provisonal governor, but what we’re stuck with is a phony who dares to say he supports eduction, but conveniently forgets to tell us it’s the ALEC/MHPC teaparty type. Now there’s something to write home about.
Boy, it’s a good thing they don’t have to work at home every night putting together lesson plans and grading tests and papers, and that they don’t have to take ongoing education courses in the summertime, and that the state and the feds don’t continually change the rules about what they have to teach so kids can pass those pointless standardized tests.
Doctors and lawyers make over $100 per hour. Do you deny them their due? You probably don’t even know how much education a teacher needs to teach full time.
State to Feds: your unfunded mandates are unfair!
Towns to State: what about your unfunded mandates on us?
State to Towns: deal with it
Just get some free Obama money.
Duh.
Or you could do what ‘pubs do, don’t tax wealthy people nearly as much as Reagan did, have a military more expensive than the next 17 combined, double the deficit every presidential term,,,,
And by your logic we can cut the military and be invaded! Boy you are unreal!
You must be referring to martians. From some of these moronic comments, I’d say it’s already happened.
The union contract gives each teacher one uninterrupted, 40 min., block of time DAILY for prep, grading, etc.
Nothing is being distorted; these are facts gained from observation and close friends who are excellent teachers and have outside jobs and who have every day of the year programmed and scripted out…when they do that it becomes a much more routine job.
Have done a bit of teaching, I’ll admit the first five years shakes out the people not suited for the job; so why pay novices more than $30k, when they will either find another job; move to one in the burbs if they are good; or used the prof. development money to make a career move.
I regard teaching as a profession; not a factory job governed by a union contract. the AFL/CIO has destroyed this profession!…go build cars, stay out of our schools.
You are distorting the issue if the topic is starting and minimum salaries and you start throwing out average salaries of experienced teachers.
I don’t have a daily prep period. Maybe the school near you provides that, but not every school does.
The comments you have made on here do not show that you regard teaching in any respectful manner. It is a career choice that I made and I am very glad that I made it- except when I have to defend myself from those who are uneducated about what goes on in education.
I am not a teacher but I agree with you on the Gardener; hopefully he isn’t teaching local to me.
FACT: the AFL/CIO isn’t involved in any teacher unions in Maine.
My math is rather conservative. I’ve done a bit of teaching, and know more than a few of them. I’m quoting from the local contract re. prep/grading time with daily 40 min. blocks. Perhaps you should read your contract a bit more carefully.
$3333. a month is not bad for a new teacher, is it? They work about 9 months of the year–so that comes to $833. a week.
Your math is deceptive, since all districts pay teachers continually through the year, rather than just for the weeks worked from August to June. $30,000/52 is about $575 a week before taxes, Maine State Retirement, and any healthcare not covered by the employer. I’d be surprised if any new teacher took home much more than $900 every two weeks. That’s not much for a college educated professional.
If you want better teachers, you need to find a way to convince other college educated professionals to leave their jobs paying $50k+.
It’s also deceptive not to factor in their income from jobs outside of the school year. Teachers staff up many many summer businesses…camps, restaurants, etc.
Not true, they have a choice to have it spread out or take it all in 9 months!
Do they get to pay their student loans 9 months out of the year?
I take it you’ve never heard of OPPORTUNITY MAINE/
Not to mention the health benefits, which are generally far better than the private sector, and are at little cost to the school employees.
After 15 years that $30k becomes a lot higher; but if you can ‘retire’ and get some benefits, you can find a new job even at lower salary and use the pension as a cushion…not bad for someone in their early 40’s.
I’m taking this right out of the local district’s contract and it states this under the ‘early retirement clause’.
It’s taken right out of the local contract….parking lot is full of expensive SUV’s…hate teachers? I once was one.
Don’t mean to get personal, but couldn’t hack the job?
apples & oranges….nice try though!
Speaking of which, the College of Education at UMO only attracts people who score a hundred points less than engineers or business majors on their SAT’s. This is a national scandal and has forced the resignation of a number of heads of ‘teachers colleges’ in order to raise the entry level qualifications of future teachers.
If you want to attract the ‘best & brightest’ I suggest you start with Orono and do it with a professional challenge, not a monetary one. If you’re in it for the money, I suggest Detroit.
Perhaps the selectivity of engineering programs at the undergraduate level is due to the fact that more people want to enroll because the pay is so much better in the profession.
Raise teacher pay, there’ll be more applicants for teaching programs, and the university can be more selective.
I’m not ‘throwing them out’ these are benchmarks. The union has rigged the system so that there are ‘low’ starting salaries; something they use for propaganda purposes….then there is the escalation of step increases and how much more they receive five years after probation.
That’s why there is so much diff. between the $30k start, and the $45 k average.
From the Teacher Certification web site:
Teacher Salary vs. State Average Salary: The average teacher in Maine makes 129% of the salary of the average worker in Maine
Number of Vacation Weeks Per Year: The average teacher in Maine receives 15 weeks of vacation per year” http://certificationmap.com/states/maine-teacher-certification/#salary
And yet we’re still way below the national average. So are you really screeching because you hate unions or because you’re jealous of the benefits? What is it? We should pay them less? Get to your point already.
The amount of education they get paid for isn’t paying off…..or why do so many entry level people in UMS needing remediation; and why are the SAT scores well below average and….
The solution are merit pay with performance clauses in their contracts. Denver has got merit pay, and many other places are starting as well.
What to get paid the big bucks, earn it through improved student performance…..kinda like coaching, want the big bucks, let’s see some wins.
oh btw. WELCOME TO AMERICA, we have a market driven economy and people get paid to satisfy their customers; not on their college course credits.
What a joke. You can’t even answer the questions beyond flimsy, vague and dated talking points.
We’re not below average. Our schools rank 14th in the nation. We’re just not showing improvement as aggressively as some other states. It’s easier to go from an F to a D than it is to go from an A to an A+.
I meant in terms of pay.
The average Maine person does not have a 4 year college degree. What do you have for numbers when you compare teachers to others with 4 year diplomas? Take your time….
And where did you get the ‘number’ that the avg. Maine person doesn’t have a 4 yr. degree?
You have me on the documentation. The 2000 US Census states that 24% of Mainers had a college degree. Maine ranks high on High school graduation but I beleive somewhere around 33rd for college. Perhaps our rural setting keeps that number down. Maybe it’s financial side. Regardless, it’s low and the average Mainer is not a college grad.
I get the feeling that someone’s a little jealous. You could be a teacher, too, if you wished.
Maybe the issue isn’t that teaching pays too much and has decent benefits; the issue might be that other jobs don’t.
I get the feeling you work for the MEA or AFL/CIO and don’t like someone to reveal the truth.
Sorry. I’m self-employed. And I never could have started a business as complex as mine without excellent teachers.
There’s a positive return on investment for all of us if we invest in the best teachers.
You are citing marketing statistics for an online university which is about as scientific and significant as saying that 3 out of 4 dentists recommend Crest toothpaste.
So does the ‘average’ worker in Maine your talking about have a couple college degrees like the teachers? or are you talking about blueberry rakers?
And again LePage and his cronies pass the buck to the towns. I guess that’s what the Republicans mean when they say trickle down.
I was reading almost verbatim the union contract; not your resume.
Your another race car driver without ever being in the drivers seat. Reading the owners manual does not make you an expert driver. Try some pratical experience before you challenge the pros.
Keep paying your good teachers dirt and tax the living daylights out of them and we will keep taking them in Alaska where thy start at about $50 K!
I for one don’t care to hear what the teachers are being paid. It’s not enough.
So sorry I hit a nerve; I’ll destroy your resume.
You didn’t hit a nerve, you lied.
Actually he didn’t lie. In fact he also forgot to mention the interest free loans to buy computers and the mandated automatic pay increases after ataining their taxpayer paid masters degree.
That’s a common metod in these days to make a point. Exagerate the truth. The Governor does it all the time.
Another LePage Scandal. State saves money but forces the local communities to raise their land taxes. Time to vote out the Tea Radical Republicans out of the Maine Legislature this fall and Crush Them.
BS!
Continuing attacks on teachers by the Rs 9in cahoots with LePage). I wonder what the charter school teachers pay scales will be?
Poor teachers. They shouldn’t be effected by Obama’s economy. They’re elite ya know! So special they are…
Teachers have been getting low pay since George Washington was President. Obama has nothing to do with it.
The gov.and lawmakers seem intent on cutting everybodys wage but their own and their perks are a goodly portion of the states budget.No one else gets free vacations or kick backs like they do.Hopefully people will realize this in november at elections.Maybe brucies land coming out of the free forest tax will help but probably not.
Why is it that we spend far more per pupil than the national average despite ranking 40th in teacher salary? This is pretty low on the totem pole. Where is all that money going?
Maine has too many school districts largely do to the large geographic area.Do Millinocket and East Mill need their own High Schools? We’re simply too spread out. The children of 1.3 million people in New York City are not very far from each other are they?
I’m entering my 30th year as an educator. Every year there has always been some type of unfunded mandate – empty promises. At the same time we are expected to do more with less. Throughout these 30 years, my “vacation” time has been filled with workshops, coursework, sports tournaments and other duties that I don’t receive compensation for. Most days I am the first one to arrive and the last one to leave. I also work most weeks in the summer doing misc. jobs to make ends meet. Unless you’ve spent time as an educator, stop speculating and pretending to know what the profession is all about. I’ve spent 30 rewarding years in the profession but now that my own kids are in college, this is the only time I have had some regret entering the profession.
I left teaching in 1980 and have been in the private sector for 32 years. Folks that I started teaching with are now trying to retire on this huge pension that everyone seems to think exists. Thanks for your dedication-I’m sure hundreds and hundreds of kids are glad that you stayed in the proffession. I met my wife because I had to work on the weekends to get by when I was a young teacher of 24. Had I been paid a fair salary- I’d never had met her and my life would not have been as happy. The low pay also drove me to another proffession where I could afford to pay for my daughters education. I’ve always felt that the children of Maine public school teachers should get some kind of tuition break at our public colleges.
TIMES REALLY HAVE CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. IN 1952 I HAD A FULL LOAD OF CLASS WORK PLUS FOUR SPORTS TO COACH AND MY PAY WAS $1400 A YEAR…..AND NO SOCIAL SECURITY AT THE TIME AS WELL….THE MONEY MAKERS TODAY FORGET THAT THE TEACHERS MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET JOBS. BY THE WAY—-I LOVED MY JOB AND THE PEOPLE ON VINALHAVEN.
There are some teachers I wouldn’t mind paying twice the salary they get, but then there are a lot of teachers that I think should be sent along their way. The education system seems to drag along a lot of deadwood, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why half of them don’t get fired. Get rid of the ones who don’t achieve the results, and PAY well for the ones who do!
Every job has deadwood. Auto unions where the workers sat in the cafeteria because of a sluggish auto industry and collected much better saleries than the highest paid best teachers in Maine is just one example. Merit pay only produces boot lickers. That said I do agree that a teacher evaluation process with teeth in it would help. Lets face it teachers are underpaid in relationship to other professions with a college degree, even with summers off. Superintendents on the other hand do quite well.
Agreed Clyde. Very much agreed with the evaluation process. But I wasn’t talking about merit pay. Just salary. What I meant by teachers getting results, I”m not referring to teachers teaching to the test so kids who are behind will meet a standard… I’m talking about ALL the students in a class making growth. Evaluation tools such as the Northwest Evaluation Association (NWEA), which many Maine districts already use, show student growth on a continuous scale from 2nd or 3rd grade up through high school, unless the student gets into the very high range. I do not like testing like Maine Learning Results because there is only a reprimand to schools for too many not meeting the benchmark. As a result, our gifted and talented or our brightest students are no longer achieving what they COULD be achieving. I truly believe this is why our school scores across the board are not improving. We are striving so hard to the bottom raised, we’ve forgotten to push the top along too. And anyone who says that the bright kids will do alright no matter what you through at them are not understanding what kind of torture school is like for them. If you don’t keep a child with and active mind challenged in school and they are bored all the time, eventually they will become disengaged and find other things that peak their interest. We have had very few teachers that recognize this, and for the ones that did and knew how to handle a class with wide range of levels, I would gladly pay a LOT more money too.
You get deadwood because the pay is so low. Higher starting salaries would improve the candidate choice for every job. Someone detailing used cars with an 8th grade education can make moore than 5th year teacher with a BS or BA.
Ah yes, one more step down toward making the “great” State-o-Maine nearer the bottom of the education ladder. All in the name of saving $300,000. Mediocre pay attracts mediocre people equals mediocre education. It all adds up.
LePage is HILARIOUS he whines ‘everyone in the country thinks Maine students are nimwits and they all look down on people from Maine due to our education system’ THEN what does he do? Cuts funding to the education system BRILLIANT. LePage’s inept daughter gets paid more than a teacher in this state does- REALLY?????
One more way that LePage sticks it to the schools so that he can complain that they aren’t “doing enough.” Just like the national level GOP in Congress who have done nothing and then complain that Obama (who does not have the power to pass legislation by the very definition of his position) hasn’t done enough. Now the GOP says they want a rubber stamp president who will pass whatever legislation they send him. And I thought they were all about the Constitution which establishes a tripartite government organization in order to have a balance of power. The GOP should change the name of their party to Lying Hypocrites Party.
The State cannot afford to fund any more of John Baldacci’s projects.
John used alot of taxpayer money to aquire the 34% voter base he needed to win his last election.