AUGUSTA, Maine — Compared with other Americans, Mainers envision a bleak future for their state. Yet, others give Maine high marks as an idyllic place to live.

Are we a bunch of grumps living in what others consider paradise?

In Gallup polling based on more than 530,000 interviews conducted between Jan. 2, 2011, and June 30 of this year, Maine registered the highest percentage of residents who believe that their standard of living will worsen during the next five years. Conversely, people who live in Hawaii have the brightest outlook on where they’ll be five years from now. Maybe it’s the weather.

Overall, Maine ranks 40th in the survey of livability. Utah tops the list. West Virginia occupies the bottom spot.

Mainers’ seemingly gloomy perspective on the future, as reflected by the Gallup findings, conflicts with recently released studies done by out-of-state entities. CNBC places Maine fourth from the top on its list of America’s Best States to Live in 2012. Kiplinger Personal Finance magazine rates Portland as the nation’s top city for empty nesters, and Parenting Magazine slots Portland at No. 3 in the nation for families and education. Smithsonian magazine this spring included Brunswick on its list of the 20 best small towns in America.

Friday’s release of the Gallup Economic Confidence Index, a composite of Americans’ ratings of current U.S. economic conditions and their perceptions of the economy’s direction for the first half of 2012, further complicates interpretation of the “standard of living momentum” results. It shows Maine’s confidence level rising 21 points from 2011 on a 100-point scale, the third highest jump in the nation. However, the index indicates that residents of all 50 states maintain a negative attitude toward the economy, and Gallup still classifies Maine’s economic confidence as below average.

Maine’s unemployment rate has been below the national average since 2008. Yet Mainers who responded to the Gallup poll questions look leerily ahead at the next five years, at least in comparison to how residents of other states view the near future.

Given the positive outlook from beyond our borders, does the Gallup result mean Mainers are just grumpy pessimists?

No, according to an array of Mainers surveyed in a far more informal fashion than the system Gallup uses.

Recent referendum patterns prove that Mainers aren’t pessimists, according to comedian Bob Marley.

“Every fall there’s a referendum to build a casino,” Marley joked Thursday while on his way to perform in Rhode Island. “Someone in Maine is optimistic enough to think they’re going to win.”

Marley describes Maine people as “survivors” and “stoics.” Noting that he has been in almost all 50 states and 15 countries, Marley said, “Maine people are really good at sucking it up. If you’re not from here, you’d say we’re kinda grumpy. It’s the Maine attitude.”

Thomas College President Laurie Lachance, who formerly headed the Maine Development Foundation and served as a state economist, echoed Marley’s sentiment that Mainers’ penchant for trodding a steady course through life probably tempered poll responses.

People in Maine “tend to be very humble,” Lachance said. “We downplay when good things go on.”

But it’s not all attitude. A stubbornly sluggish economy takes its toll on Maine’s group psyche, according to economists and workforce specialists.

“Growth has been so slow for the state’s biggest businesses and traditional industries,” Lachance said. ”When you see layoffs where they never were before, you tend to be negative.”

When those layoffs morph into long-term unemployment, the workers who lose their jobs and can’t find new ones “go through stages of grief and end up in a real bad funk of discouragement,” said Michael Bourret, executive director of Coastal Counties Workforce Inc., which offers retraining and support services in six counties, with a focus on workers displaced by the closure of Brunswick Naval Air Station in 2011.

Earlier this year, University of Southern Maine economics professor Charles Colgan cited the base closure as a key reason for the decline in Maine’s gross domestic product in 2011. That might contribute to Mainers’ angst, Bourret said, but “the discouragement we’re seeing here is tied to long-term unemployment across the country.”

If that’s the case, why do Mainers see more gloom on the horizon than people in states with higher unemployment rates?

Scott Moody, chief executive officer of the Maine Heritage Policy Center, believes it’s because Mainers are realists. Moody characterized the Gallup results as an indication that Mainers have begun to recognize that the state is on the cusp of a “demographic winter,” in which the state has “too few young people to support our current population.”

He said the population shift is leading to more communities in which the number of people older than 65 outnumbers those younger than 18.

“It’s having a major psychological impact,” Moody said.

Maine’s aging population also factors into residents’ outlook on the future.

“If you’re an older worker and don’t feel you could plug back into the economy … it’s harder,” Lachance said.

Young adults trying to make their way into the workforce encounter different frustrations, according to Elizabeth Lardie, a 20-something Bath native who splits her time between Maine and New York City in pursuit of an acting career.

“I feel like my generation is pessimistic in both states, perhaps equally but for different reasons,” Lardie said. “In Maine, it feels like jobs are particularly limited. I know people who graduated at the top of their class in both high school and college who are currently working as summer camp counselors.”

Unlike previous generations, which were able to parlay college into well-paying professions, college graduates encounter more uncertainty today.

“Education gives tremendous hope to people,” Lachance said. “With cost of education going up and incomes not, it makes education more of a stretch for people. That could be burdening people’s spirits.”

“Even though there is frustration,” Lardie said, “I feel like most of my friends in Maine are here by choice, content with the trade-off of taking a job that might not be the most strategic career move ever for a more down-to-earth lifestyle and lower cost of living.”

Comparatively, “I sense a little more discontentment and pessimism” in New York, Lardie said, noting that a more highly charged competitive atmosphere forces frequent job changes, which often represent “more of a change of scenery than progress.”

Brunswick resident Charlotte Agell, a middle school educator and children’s author, sees little pessimism among school-age Mainers.

“Students are optimistic by nature,” she said. “I think they have every reason to be, about both Maine and their own futures.”

Her travel experiences reinforce the notion that people who live elsewhere look longingly at life in the Pine Tree State. “Any time I’m traveling … and meet someone and they find out that I live in Maine, they say, ‘You’re so lucky,’” said Agell, who was born in Sweden and spent parts of her childhood in Canada and Hong Kong.

It may just be a matter of perspective. In comparison to longtime Mainers, “People who move here see tremendous opportunity and hope,” Lachance said.

“Mainers are cautious and humble,” said Nancy Smith, executive director of GrowSmart Maine, a Portland-based organization that plans to release an update of its 2006 “Charting Maine’s Future” report this fall. “We simply don’t tout our own successes; that would be rude. We don’t want to offend others or appear to be bragging. There’s also a bit of not wanting to jinx our good fortune.”

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  1. I think that the folks who were polled in this survey should be required to spend a few days in Northern Missississppi and a few more in West Virginia.  Then on the way home, they have to hang out in West Baltimore.  That would improve their outlook!

    1. But Virginia, Maryland, and New Jersey are all great states to live in. I have lived in all 3 a total of 51 years.  Maine is not my first choice even though I was raised here.

      1.  i loved virginia from the first time i ever went there..probably the greatest of all states, its got beach, cities, rural and country. perfect mix. now if i could sell my house in monson..

  2. Folks, look around you at the great rare beauty, the lack of urbanization and industrialization.  It is the commercials on TV that tell you to want things.   We have a gift all around us far more important than things.

    1.  Yup, I mentioned at work today I was on vacation for the next few weeks, and someone asked me if we were going somewhere.  I replied “we live in Paradise, why would we leave?”.

    2. ” Look around you at the great rare beauty, the lack of urbanization and industrialization”.
      Yet everyday you harp ” where are the jobs you promised Le Page, the jobs, the jobs.”

    3.  Priceless, in other words. I watch TV shows where the people look out on a city and say, “what a view.” I say my backyard is my beautiful than the view of any  city ever could be.

  3. Portland or Brunswick do not embody the rest of Maine’s opportunities, culture or economic outlook. Was the optimism survey done only in these two areas that were defined as the “best” cities? I think somebody in Washington county may have reason to not be optimistic!

    1. that was my first thought too. Did they poll both “Maines”?

      When can we start referring to it as “Portland, Massachusetts”?

      1. I think they spent too much time surveying those from Cape Elizabeth, because that is the awful agenda we had under Democrats. The ideas came from that area along with the rest of Lib land (Southern Maine). We are paying dearly for it too with our state headed backwards.

        1. I’m wondering…that awful country Canada has all this bad socialized medicine and stuff. Why isn’t there a constant flood of Canadian immigrants into the County?

  4. If the polls were looking for pessimism, they should have pulled up any article on the BDN website and scrolled through the comments.  Plenty there to choose from!

  5. Yeah THAT’s it – it’s the weather has absolutely NOTHING to do with LePage or the dimwitted folks in Disgusta….

  6. I think many Mainers have a schizophrenic outlook on their state. In terms of natural beauty, our state is second-to-none in the United States. But our government has been mismanaged for so long (by both political parties), it’s hard not to take a cynical view of the future. This being said, most life-long Mainers know that despite our economic problems the grass is not greener out of state. Yes there are better-paying  jobs elsewhere, but also more violent crime, pollution, traffic and incivility. Nobody lives in Maine to get rich, and many are willing to work harder for less money in order to enjoy the natural outdoor beauty and low population density our state offers. The explosion in crimes associated with narcotic addiction is a scourge on our land as is the lot for  those who are hopelessly sentenced to a life of abject poverty. But it seems practically everyone everywhere is struggling to survive (other than the 1%) and if one is going to struggle anyway, then struggle in a place of beauty where people are, by and large, honest and hard-working.

    Maine, The Way Life Should Be, if it should be cold and poor and beautiful. I have lived in a dozen other states but came back home for good in the 80’s. This is the place I was born to, the place I love most and the place that will one day have my bones.

    1. Your so right of course, but  it’s hard to enjoy the beauty on those weeks it’s not your turn to eat.

    2. “The grass is not greener out of state”.  Really because most folks I know who left Maine are doing well.   They all make nearly 5 times as much money for the same job in that state than what they did here.  The taxes are way lower in those states.  Those states clamp down on folks on welfare  by forcing them to at least head to the career center to search for jobs (what a concept for libs in Augusta).  These states are better off economically they don’t have to put up with the yearly garbage that comes from those welfare cases.  Them going to Augusta every budget shortfall making a huge scene on tv  so they can try  to stop legislators from cutting spending and them losing benefits when we have a budget crisis.  The fact is Maine needs to follow the same path these states do they will be better off in the long run.  They won’t have the problems they have now and things will improve for the better.  If we let the private sector do it’s thing  we actually might get help on fixing infrastructure , bring in more manufacturing and other businesses.  Instead of everyone living off the dole and bankrupting this state.

        1.  Obama has been “in charge” two years longer than LePage and has done nothing but divide the country and provide false hope and angst.

        2. Of course-that’s the easy way for him to keep people’s eye off the ball with the REAL looting of this state by Anthem,the TP 1% and others.When your hero is Rick Scott and your little buddy Gilligan(Tarren Bragdon) is already is FL setting things up,it looks good to be the Skipper.One term,out on your butt and collect the fat pension in the sun.

      1. Most of the people on welfare and in drug rehad are unemployable. they always will be. I wouldn’t hire them would you? The government offerings of living free has destroyed  whole generations.

      2. Do your out of state friends have a bigger paper route than they did here? 5 times for the same job? Could you describe this work opportunity for the rest of us?

      3.  You mean like the career center in Aroostook County that was closed and hasn’t reopened?Or the job training money that won’t be available to ME since the state can’t pay to get the program started?

  7. Let’s face it and be honest with ourselves. As the notable and brilliant author George Orwell said in his book “Animal Farm,” we are all “pigs at the trough.”

      1. That is what alot of folks say when they have left.  It’s unfortunate that Democrats have made a mess and a mockery of this beautiful state.  They all have gotten drunk with power and are punishing good honest folks who want to live here but have left.  Them  knowing that all the good jobs went away under abysmal economic policies created by the John Martin’s , Emily Cain’s, Justin Alfond’s, Troy Jackson’s of that party.  All of them have ran this state into the ground.  Because they think everyone should be “taken care” of by Maine State Government.  They think Mainers are too stupid to provide for themselves.  That Government is the answer to all of our issues.  Well it is not just take a look at how they ran this state.  Massive Job Losses,  Tax Increase, Massive Budget Shortfalls, Welfare running out of control, Borrowing for Liberal Pet Projects that luckily will create 10 jobs if it does at best.  While destorying the state economy and bankrupting the state and its taxpayers in the process.  Life is really good under Democrats it’s so good that folks think we should forget everything and drink that strawberry kool-aid they hand out.

  8. Maine’s downfall I think began with Ken Curtis, it began the Great Displacement of Maine People. Under Ken Curtis we were designated as the retirement and recreation State for the rich and well to do retirees from away. And in they came, by the thousands, oh we won’t change anything, was there call. Then the real estate dealers began the raising of home prices, the harbor industries had to go, chicken, sardine processing plants were just too dirty to have a yacht moored at. That is why we see so much hoop over the couple of boat builders, they finally conquered the coast. Ya know like, most Mainers are looking to put money down on a yacht this year, yeah. There leverage is high (100 percent taxes, and a 2 to 3 percent rise each year for the schools) taxes, low wages, and out of sight home prices, the politicians all dance around doing absolutely nothing for jobs in this state, well nothing if it might look dirty. The only parts of the State of Maine not yet conquered is Down East and up North,  but it is just a matter of time.  If you do not have a home, pay high rent, make low wages, have children, the natural beauty does little to get the bills paid, the car inspected, school clothes for the kids, then comes winter.
    The Great Gov wants to leave families without any help, I think I liked Muskie in the 50’s the best, Lapage is an absolute travesty to have for a Governor for Maine People,  he considers us all trash.
    So, if you are rich, yeah wow Maine is great, if you are working poor, yeah I can see lots of pessimist attitude, because there are very few life lines out of this dead-end, by design. I also find it very interesting, that, while Maine kids were slugging it out in Vietnam, Lapage was in Canada.

    1. You’re right about the contentment levels of poor and rich. We often tell one another that the rich aren’t really happy. It makes us feel better about our own miserable circumstances, perhaps. “Money and comfort don’t make one happy,” we say. Actually, like it or not, rich folks are happier than poor folks. They’re healthier, they are better educated, they get to see more of the world, they get their own way politically more often than not, they are more positive, they live longer. Being among the growing population of working poor is no bargain.But that shouldn’t be news to anyone. What should be news is that considering the  the general acceptance of that situation, despite its constant erosion of any hope we have of living and working in a democracy. 

      1. You had me all the way until the last word. We don’t live in a democracy nor do I every want to.

      2.  From Andy Capp”They say you can be poor and happy or rich and miserable.I’d like to have enough money and be sort of moody”

  9.  people who come here from other places tend to have money. Those of us who were born here tend to struggle.

    1. Keep in mind that a lot of those retired ‘rich’ people had to live their first 60 years where most of us would not spend the weekend. There’s a reason all the cars are headed north on Friday nights most of the year. I’ll stay right here.

  10. Negativity tends to lead to more negativity. That becomes a vicious cycle, and leads to a lack of positive changes because everyone gets so hung up on the problem, there is no focus on possible solutions. Or every offered solution is met with another reason why it won’t work. Henry Ford said it best: “Whether you think you can, or whether you think you can’t, you’re right.” We can psych ourselves up or psych ourselves down.

    1. I have never seen so many people blame “it” on the government. The next most hated group is “them”. Are there no mirrors in Maine? 
      Our florists buy irises from South America in February but our lobstermen can’t manage to sell over-abundant shedders in peak season. What’s wrong with this picture? Bangor to London airlifted softies could be the “Gold Medal” meal in two hours time. Blueberries and cream for desert! Perhaps there could be an “Olympic” lobster eating contest right alongside the Maine certified organic blueberry pie eating contest. Let’s go people. 
      Please call in your list of reasons why this won’t work to:
      What’s the definition of insanity? 555-999-0000.

  11. My brother sits in traffice for an hour and a half every day to get home.

    That is no kind of life.

    1. I can drive from Bangor to nearly Rockwood in the same time with light traffic. Tell him to get away from those flatlanders and move back to God’s country. 

  12. Maine should really be seperated into two states. They say are unemployment rate is below national average. Bull. They say spend a few days in Mississippi and West Virginia. They say Maine is the greatest place in the world. Well you are either from away and decided to move here from somewhere else, or you live south of Bangor somewhere. Northern and Down East Maine is dying folks. Right before our very eyes. Drive through our Main streets in Northern Penobscot, Aroostook, and Washington countie towns. They are all dead or dying. Their are no children left to fill our schools because people have been forced to move to look for work. Very few people from the towns we grew up in have decided to stay and if people have decided to stay, they struggle. You are forced to move. Only people moving to Northen and Downeast are the welfare people because the rent is very cheap. I grew up in Millinocket in the 80’s and 90’s and I knew everyone. Now I barely reconize anyone. I see young people walking there childern in strollers that I dont know. And I know for a fact they are not there for work! Welfare takes care of these people. But I can’t live there anymore because I have to work? This isn’t just Millinocket but affects all of us in rural Maine. All are manufacturing jobs or good paying jobs are gone. The drugs are out of control. All are local businesses are drying up. And they aren’t coming back. For us natives, the people of Maine who were brought up and bred here and to see this change so much in such a short time, are way of life change so much is heart wrenching. Pessimistic? We have every right to be.

    1. The County and Washington County have died many many years ago. It is over for that part of Maine. Just welfare, drugs and prison are the only options.

  13. How on earth are Mainers expected to be anything but pessimistic. Maine’s Governor has been in office for the entire period that the survey took place. In that time he has not said one positive thing about The State of Maine or her people. In fact he has done just the opposite. He has called Maine a welfare state and her people idiots,  stupid, unskilled, and has told us that we are looked down upon by everyone outside the state. 

    1. The facts hurt doesn’t it. That LePage is speaking the truth that most Mainers have known for nearly 50 years.  Maine is in indeed a welfare state that pays out very lavish benefits to those   folks who should be like everyone else working and earning their keep.  Instead they rather sit home like useless dolts watching tv living off average hard working Mainers.  It’s unacceptable but a common practice under Maine Democrats.   Until we put the hammer down and stop the welfare culture in Maine.  That includes also getting everyone else from Environmentalists, All Special Interest Groups, Lobbyists and Ex-Politicians ( hint : that phony independent running for senate and his buddies like Dennis Bailey) off the dole.  Maine will continue to be a welfare wasteland that will continue to spiral downward with no real future period.

      1. LePage wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the face and apparently you do not either. Mainers have always been known for their work ethic and anyone that says any differently is a liar. Yes there are way too many of our fellow citizens on public assistance of some type and I will grant you that there is some fraud in the system,  but the majority of Mainers get up every morning and go to work to support their families. I have owned and operated a business successfully in this State for over 28 years and I find the quality of the workforce to be second to none. You can rattle off your radical right tea party line of hate all you want but it will not make it the truth. The thing that will cause Maine to spiral downward are people like you who have a flawed ideology and take pleasure in putting down Maine and her people. 

        1. I agree that Mainers are known for their strong work ethics, however, what we have now is an influx of people that, call them Mainers or not, came here from other states STRICTLY for our generous welfare benefits, with absolutely no intention of ever being self supporting.  This is Lepage’s beef, and in that he is absolutely correct. This is not flawed ideology, it’s plain fact.

          1. That is not true. Maine for instance has the most lenient requirements for medicare in New England. It is why the legislature tried to scale it back.

      2. Welfare is necessary for those who are in a tough situation – it just should not become a way of life.  Better business & job opportunities are the answer to lifting people out of poverty and into being able to provide for their families without having to work 2 & 3 jobs. 

  14. I don’t know why they have surveys like this.  None of that stuff lasts anyway. (humor/sarcasm)

  15. Mainers pessimistic? lol. I wonder if it has anything to do with the mass exodus of all our jobs to China over the last 30 years? Or could it be the influx of part time jobs for big corporate America and their juicy “public assistance” wages? ChinaMart comes to mind.

  16. Paradise? Winter is around the corner and Maine is more like Siberia than Hawaii.  No jobs, slave wage jobs if you can find one, no benefits, housing sales in the tank, people one paycheck before welfare and a psychotic for Governor.

  17. My family moved here when I was 4 and I grew up in Maine. I moved away when I was 18 for the reasons kids leave small, rural areas.  I lived in Colorado and Virginia, both beautiful places but crowded. Came back to Maine to bring my kids when possible and sometimes it was tough to leave. Coming over the Kittery bridge was always a joyous moment and over the hill to see the church in my hometown, sweet. I moved back 8 years ago, I don’t make as much money but will not be dislodged. I love Maine with the passion of a refugee. Yes, we have a culture of ‘You leave me alone, I’ll leave you alone’ which some see as grumpy but when our neighbors need help, we’re there. Thank goodnesss that’s a part of Maine that goes beyond conservative or liberal. 

  18. Maine is wonderful, but we need to stop the thieves from taking our stuff and telling us we’ll be happier this way. Simple really.

  19. Let see Southern Maine has good paying jobs, the rest of Maine has its workforce taken advantage of .
    Bangor probably has more minimum wage jobs then the rest of the State combined. The difference in poverty and the rich is greatest north of Augusta.  Pessimists?  yes for good reason. The whole good old boy system is courpt.
    I can go to the same 50 box stores that Bangor has in any city in the country. what is so unique about that.

  20. Angus King put Maine on the top of electric rates, Maine fuel cost are higher, and the largest industry in Maine it the poverty industry.

  21. I don’t know about anyone else, but when my wife or I get that call-we tell them we’re on our way out. If I get a call from these particular people I’ll tell them I’m on my way out to enjoy the rest  my really satisfying life in Maine.I’ve been to the majority of the other states, I’ll stay right here. Polls don’t mean squat….

  22. Both points of view are correct:  If you are from away, then Maine is great and a good place to both visit and settle down seasonally or otherwise; If you are a rural  Mainer and have to work two or three jobs to pay your bills, then your pessimism is supported.  Still, most rural Mainers prefer staying in Maine, working hard and enjoying friends, family and the Maine lifestyle.

    (I do notice however that Maine seems to enable a lot of undeserving folks on the dole)

  23. The current Republican administration has a plan to turn paradise into a landfill,  be confident in that! 

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