WASHINGTON — Ted Olson, solicitor general under President George W. Bush and stalwart of the conservative establishment, shocked the legal world three years ago when he announced his crusade on behalf of same-sex marriage.
Teaming with David Boies, his Democratic adversary in Bush v. Gore, Olson went to court to overturn California’s Proposition 8, in which voters changed the state constitution to recognize marriage as existing only between a man and a woman. The goal, Olson said, was to establish that there is a federal constitutional right for same-sex couples to marry no matter where they live.
Olson has won each step of the way, but his last legal victory in that quest gave the former without the latter.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in San Francisco overturned Proposition 8 but said there was no reason to decide whether the Constitution mandates that same-sex couples have the right to marry.
Olson reluctantly told the Supreme Court recently there was no reason to disturb the appeals court’s ruling, which effectively limits the right to marry in California and leaves the larger issue unresolved.
“It was with strong mixed emotions, and I think you can tell that” by reading the filing, Olson said in an interview.
“But in the end, we represent real, live people, and if the court doesn’t take the case, we’ve won and our clients and thousands of others in California can get married.”
It is all but inevitable that the Supreme Court will have something to say this term on the topic of same-sex marriage.
Besides the appeal brought by proponents of Prop. 8, there are a slew of cases awaiting the justices regarding the constitutionality of part of the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). It prohibits the federal government from extending benefits to same-sex couples legally married in the states that provide for it.
A string of federal district judges and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit have said the law violates the equal-protection clause of the Constitution. The Obama administration also says the law is unconstitutional, leaving defense of a law signed by President Bill Clinton to a group formed by House Republicans.
But the DOMA challenges have nothing to do with the constitutional right to marry, since the plaintiffs in those cases were already married. Six states and the District of Columbia extend such privileges to same-sex couples, and voters in other states, including Maryland, will consider this issue this fall.
The effort by Olson and Boies was designed to bypass such a piecemeal approach. It sought recognition of a constitutional right to marry. Two years ago, a federal judge in San Francisco agreed, saying marriage was a fundamental right that was violated when voters attempted to “enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples.”
But the 9th Circuit took a different approach. It said there was no reason to look at the broader question.
Instead, it focused on the fact that gay couples in California for a brief time had the right to marry — 18,000 took the leap after the state Supreme Court in 2008 said they could not be denied — and that California voters took the right away.
“By using their initiative power to target a minority group and withdraw a right that it possessed, without a legitimate reason for doing so, the people of California violated the Equal Protection Clause,” the court ruled in a 2 to 1 vote.
The panel said its decision was based on a 1996 Supreme Court ruling that struck an amendment to the Colorado Constitution that prohibited state or local governments from outlawing discrimination against gays. It was in response to local governments that had extended such protection.
Prop. 8 proponents have appealed the 9th Circuit decision, but Olson and Boies argue that the challenge is unwarranted. The ruling faithfully applies the Supreme Court’s Colorado decision in Romer v. Evans, they say, and there is no lower court conflicts for the justices to settle.
Still, the crusaders can’t quite give up the fight. They also tell the justices that same-sex marriage is the “defining civil rights issue of our time” and that their case “is an attractive vehicle for approaching — if not definitively resolving — that issue.”
“This case comes to this court on a fully developed factual record — indeed, the most comprehensive record ever developed in a case challenging a restriction on the right to marry,” Olson and Boies wrote. “Moreover, quite fortuitously, the case comes to the court contemporaneously with challenges to the federal Defense of Marriage Act.”
Many gay rights groups have long held that it is better for their cause if the court first addresses DOMA and leaves the fight over the constitutional right to marry for another day. Indeed, officials from San Francisco, who are on Olson’s side, counseled just that approach.
“The landscape of legal rights and recognition for lesbian and gay families continues to mature,” the officials said in their brief, and it would be better to wait for other lower courts to weigh in.
Olson said he could not presume to guess what the justices might do this fall when they consider the cases. His on-the-one-hand, on-the-other filing was a delicate matter, he said.
He and Boies wanted to preserve their clients’ victory, he said, while “saying what we wish we had said” if the justices decide to review the matter after all.



Same sex marriage is immoral, it isn’t any more complicated than that. A man and a woman raising a family within the institute of marriage is the cornerstone of a healthy society. Allow homosexual marriage and our next fight will be multiple partners. There is currently a case before the courts by a polygamist using the exact same arguments as the homosexuals for their cause. Change the current definition of marriage and you have no legal argument to deny them. No matter how the activist try and twist it, marriage has always been between a man and a woman.
But the bible says you can have multiple wives .
It also says you can have slaves, sell off your daughter and many other things we choose not to do anymore.
You do not get to choose to have slaves or sell of your daughter because there are laws that says you can’t
Marriage is a legal institution, a churches blessing is frosting on the cake (pun intended). This approach may be correct, to overturn unconstitutional DOMA and then champion for SSM nationally.
That’s not the question in this case. The question here is whether it is legal or if there is basis to take away rights granted to a minority group simply because you disapprove of them morally. The 9th circuit has said no.
cp444 your “polygamist using the exact same arguments” is not the same thing and it has been pointed out more than once that it isn’t.
Wasn’t polygamy one of the earliest forms of marriage found in the Bible? Doesn’t polygamy predate Christianity?
Indulgence of the rich and powerful, regardless of religion, for millennia.
Why do you continue to misinform readers on the Brown case??? They are not asking that their marriages be legally recognized by any civil governement, but that they not be prosecuted under Utah law. The subsequent marriages were “religious” ceremonies conducted as part of their religious beliefs …..
I believe birth control is considered immoral by Catholics, is everybody in this country expected to not use birth control? Should we pass a law banning birth control? The fact that you consider SSM immoral doesn’t mean everybody feels the same, it is just like birth control, not all consider it immoral even within the Catholic Church.
SSM should be allowed country wide.
Quite obviously, the majority of Catholics ignore the “sin” aspects of birth control.
Considering that SCOTUS has determined that personal opinion and views on morality are not just reason to discriminate under law, and that your fear mongering is nothing but speculation, do you honestly think this will help you in court?
And your “cornerstone” is a sham with divorce rates so high. Why do you never decry that? Seems to be a far greater threat to your theocratic wed dream than positive treatment of gay citizens.
Really? Is that all you have?
You claim that same sex marriage is immoral. You may , and I am sure in your mind you feel you are, right or you may not be. If this was a question of morals you might possibly win. However it is not. It is about the rights of individuals in our society to have the same rights as others in our society currently enjoy. Nothing more , nothing less. The arguments you use are no different from the same exact arguments that were used when interracial couples sought the right to marry.
Wonder what other “lifestyles” cp444 deems immoral and if he is actively seeking to deny or recind their right to enter into a civil marriage contract? Revilers, drunkards, Pagans, those with children born out of wedlock…….?
Given all churches that do preform guy marriage the only real way to protect freedom of religion in American is to get the churches out the way of the civil law.
I never understood how churches marrying people was not the State establishment of religion, so anti- American, anyway. But that is not the point, now.
The point is if freedom of religion is to be protected for all, and all religion don’t agree on who they will marry, then allowing the religious to define it, or to decide who can marry, become irrelevant, beyond in their own congregations.
Equal treatment under the law, is not just about the couples being married,
it also about the government respecting other church’s beliefs about gay marriage, too.
How can all religions be free to do it their own way, until they all can really do it their own way ?
I realize that fundamentals just short circuited and turned off as their internal breakers flipped, because they think only their church and beliefs matter, so I’d best spell this out again.
If your church does want to marry gays, fine, I doubt many people really care.
Do your own thing.
But down the street, the Episcopalians are marrying gay people, aren’t they ?
So whose freedom of religion is right or wrong and which should the government
support ?
Do you really think going there is the right thing for America and for freedom of religion …. YOUR freedom of religion ?
Remember, if America became a theocracy your religion might not be the State Religion.
Might it not be, the Latter Days Saints who win that fight, because they have so experience getting out the vote and governing Utah , for example ?
Or the Catholics, who are just everywhere, very well organized and structured, too, aren’t they ?
Now , while you cannot ever prove a negative, it is easy, in the pragmatic sense to respect the rights of those being negative: “Okay, then don’t marry gay people.
That is your right.”
What more could one want than that ?
But to really to support everyone’s freedom of religion the government has to respect other church’s right to marry people too, because who but God has the power to decide who is right and who is wrong when two religions say the opposite things are both immoral ?
In fact, that is exactly how is a YES vote supports your freedom of religion.
The faithful are free to what they think is moral, and they should have enough faith to accept it is for God, not you, to judge the “sins” of those who have different a perspective on what moral responsible actual is.
So a YES vote protects your freedom of religion, best, really doesn’t it.
Well, since same-sex marriage isn’t immoral at all, your reasoning must be flawed.
These are couples who have been blessed to find each other in this world, and wish to affirm their commitment and protect the lives they build together with civil marriage.
We should celebrate more people wishing to enter into marriage, not decry it.
This is really quite simple…..it’s called Nun Ya. As in it’s nun ya business if a same sex couple wants to get married. No one is asking or demanding that you marry someone of the same sex are they? No…..then why is it ANY of your business what a same sex couple does in their life so long as you are not required to do it also? It isn’t any of your business…try spending more time worrying about you and YOUR business and less about what other consenting adults are doing in THEIR business.
Well then I guess it’s nun ya business if I chose to post here in defense of a man/woman marriage now is it. Dont care for my comment then mind your own business and remain quiet about it. I happen to be concerned with the direction our society is headed,you apparently don’t care or just have a sophomoric liaises faire attitude about the whole thing….or perhaps you too are deeply entrenched in the homosexual lifestyle.
What a BRILLIANT response…LOL. The ‘homosexual lifestyle’ Is that anything like the ‘heterosexual lifestyle?’ You’re hilarious and are clearly an uneducated, fear driven, fool who seems to think you are entitle to special rights and privileges that other people are not entitled to – such as marriage.
The ‘defense of man/woman marriage? Ummmm what exactly are you ‘defending’ it from? All the idiots who keep getting married and divorced and remarried and divorced and so on….? You aren’t concerned about the divorce rate in this country? No of course not … just conveniently same sex marriage…. because some same sex couple (whom you don’t even know) wants to be able to get married to each other just like any other American couple. The 14th Amendment (i.e.the Constitution) doesn’t state anywhere that the inalienable rights of being an American citizen only applies to white, heterosexual, bible thumping Americans….they apply to ALL AMERICANS. Same sex couples are Americans and thus are entitled to same same rights and responsibilities under the law as any other American citizen is….whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
Your ‘being concerned with the direction our society is going in’ is one thing- your attempt to denigrate other fellow Americans who want to be treated the same under the law is ridiculous and frankly nothing more than homophobic. And as so far as my ‘sophomoric attitude’……well I’m confident that my attitude is far more informed and well rounded than your Pre-K attitude which is based on nothing more than fear and ignorance. Do try again.
Judging from your little rant I’d have to say my post was spot on ;)
In your world I’m sure you think it’s ‘spot on.’ LOL
Understand what you are trying to share …. but calling posters names is not the best way to get your points across. There is enough name-calling from other posters here …. we need to take a deep breath and counter their arguments with facts not personal attacks (that is what they do when they don’t have a valid legal argument).
And I understand what you are trying to share, that being said…. select people (such as cp444) who post here are not interested in ‘facts.’ They only care about stereotypes and putting forth an opinion which has absolutely no basis derived by any kind of empirical or factually based evidence. Their posts are based on nothing more than fear and ignorance…would you call anyone wanting to deny fellow Americans fair and equal rights under the law (gay or not, minority or not, etc) a well educated and well informed individual? I most certainly would not. What do you term someone who is clearly homophobic or racist or xenophobic? If cp444 was offering the same invalid opinion about black people I would be pointing out he was a racist- if he were offering disparaging remarks about females I would be pointing that he was a misogynist…..these are the correct terms in describing someone’s negative and denigrating behaviors which are directed toward others….if that means I am ‘name calling’ I can live with that.
Not sure why my comment was put on hold for a moderator.
No ….. it was the use of fool and idiots I was referring to. Personally I find his continued attacks on other posters, his bald-faced lies and his posting and re-posting of misinformation and debunked pseudo- science completely invalidates his argument and his calls for civility (his opinion should be respected but not others). They also, IMO, are what he uses to “justify” his ‘victimhood’ for his beliefs.
So then, you get an opinion and no one else does? That how it works?
If you don’t understand the basic differences of what somone does behind closed doors, and what you are doing on a public forum, then I don’t think you really know what Nun ya means.
Actually you need to get up to speed. TLM was the one telling me I had no right to an opinion on here…..unless of course you agree with them :) try to keep up
That actually wasn’t what he was saying, at all. But yeah, I should keep up.
Um….. you want to cut and paste the statement that TLM made directly telling you that you “have no right to an opinion on here”? Or are you telling another untruth?
If YOU think that same-sex marriage is immoral then don’t get one.
According to your Bible, living together without marriage is immoral. Divorce is against Jesus’ teaching. Are you fighting against those two things? Do you feel the same contempt for people living together without marriage or those who divorce?
United States law and policy should not be dictated by one group’s interpretation of the Bible. There is no place for religion in politics.
The definition of marriage has been changed many times since Biblical times. Marriage used to be between a man and several women, a man and children, and then only allowed by two people from the same race. It has been defined and redefined many times.
How many slaves do you have now?
I think there will be several of these small/narrow question wins during the next few years, with DOMA obviously being struct down along the way, and then finally someone will pursue the broad question.
Despite the screeching about “liberal activist judges” the judiciary branch is generally conservative in their rulings, trying to address things as narrowly as possible. However, with all these wins in several different circuits already, it won’t be long before they have to give a broad ruling.
I wanna marry my dog!
Sorry Homer… animals cannot enter into civil contracts.
Sorry to disappoint.
But I’ll bet he does not want to marry you.
Well Homer I would say you have some issues if you think your dog can enter into a civil contract when it does not have conscious thought, cannot give informed consent, cannot read a contract and cannot sign a contract.
Just wondering, has any state where SSM is now legal moved to extend marriage rights to animals? It really would help your “red herring” argument if what you are posting was really happening somewhere.
Even worse than a very red herring. Totally preposterous, lacking in sanity.
I’m sure your dog would decline….
Rick? Rick Santorum, is that you? Hey, I have a bone to pick with you about your out-right lie in your convention speech.
Wow, quite a different response from your earlier advice just moments ago. Bi polar much?
Do you condone lying? Would that be for any old reason or just to ‘justify’ your opinions? You have a tendency to repeat them and make things up to justify dehumanizing certain people….