AUGUSTA, Maine — The contest surrounding a ballot measure that asks voters whether they favor legalizing same-sex marriage appears to be tightening, according to two new polls released Thursday that are the first public surveys on the subject since June.

In addition, one of the polls — conducted by the Portland-based Maine People’s Resource Center — shows incumbent U.S. Reps. Mike Michaud and Chellie Pingree with comfortable leads over the Republicans trying to unseat them.

The Maine People’s Resource Center and the North Carolina firm Public Policy Polling on Thursday released second rounds of polling data on the heels of results the firms released Wednesday that showed Angus King’s lead shrinking in the campaign for Maine’s open U.S. Senate seat.

The Maine People’s Resource Center — which is affiliated with the left-leaning Maine People’s Alliance, a statewide advocacy group — surveyed 856 registered Maine voters Sept. 15-17; its survey carries a 3.35 percent margin of error. Public Policy Polling — which was founded by Democratic pollster Dean Debnam — surveyed 804 likely Maine voters on Monday and Tuesday; its poll has a 3.5 percent margin of error.

The Maine People’s Resource Center found 53 percent of voters saying they would vote “yes” on a ballot question asking, “Do you want to allow the State of Maine to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples?” Forty-three percent of respondents said they planned to vote “no,” while 4 percent of voters were undecided.

Public Policy Polling, which asked, “Question 1 would allow the State of Maine to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. If the election was today, would you vote yes or no on question 1?”, found 52 percent of voters saying they would vote yes, 44 percent no. Four percent of respondents said they were undecided.

Both polls show that the edge for same-sex marriage supporters has narrowed. The two surveys are the first to be conducted since Maine Secretary of State Charlie Summers — also the Republican candidate for Maine’s Senate seat — finalized the ballot question wording at the end of July.

A poll by the Portland firm Critical Insights conducted June 20-25 found a 57-35 edge for same-sex marriage supporters, and a survey conducted by the MassINC Polling Group for the Boston public radio station WBUR June 13-14 found 55 percent of voters supporting the same-sex marriage initiative, compared to 36 percent opposing it. The Critical Insights survey asked voters, “Do you want to allow same-sex couples to marry,” and the WBUR poll asked voters if they supported a law that would allow same-sex couples to marry and “protects religious freedom” by not requiring clergy to perform same-sex marriages.

“The poll that came out today continues to show strong majority support,” said David Farmer, spokesman for Mainers United for Marriage, the primary campaign leading the effort to legalize same-sex marriage.

Carroll Conley of Protect Marriage Maine, the primary campaign working against the same-sex marriage ballot measure, said polls have typically underreported the level of opposition to same-sex marriage.

“You see the underreporting of those opposed to it, and then you also see the heavy weight of undecideds going in the direction of traditional marriage or holding the status quo,” Conley said.

Public Policy Polling president Dean Debnam agreed that undecided voters tend ultimately to vote against same-sex marriage. “Despite the 8 point lead for passage this should be seen as a very close race,” he said in a statement.

In the congressional races, which were only polled by the Maine People’s Resource Center, Michaud led his 2nd District challenger, Kevin Raye, 56-37, while Pingree led challenger Jon Courtney 60-32 in the state’s 1st Congressional District.

The Michaud-Raye results were virtually unchanged from the Maine People’s Resource Center’s April survey, which found 53 percent of second district voters backing Michaud to 37 percent for Raye.

Those results contrast the last public survey sizing up that contest, which has been seen as potentially competitive by national Republican groups. The Portland firm Critical Insights found a closer contest when it polled voters in June. At that point, Michaud was leading Raye 47-35.

If poll results continue to show the race decidedly in Michaud’s column, it could determine the extent to which outside groups invest in the contest.

The closer results in June helped attract some support for Raye from outside Republican groups. The National Republican Congressional Committee elevated Raye to “Young Gun” status after the June poll, a label the committee reserves for candidates it sees as promising. More recently, Raye received the endorsement of the National Federation of Independent Businesses. And both he and Michaud have taken to the airwaves with television ads recently.

On Thursday, the Raye campaign announced it’s received the endorsement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. In Maine’s Senate race, the Chamber began a $400,000 ad campaign attacking frontrunner Angus King just days after announcing its support for Republican candidate Summers.

Michaud spokesman Dan Cashman called Thursday’s poll results “encouraging” while Kathie Summers-Grice, a consultant to Raye, said the poll oversampled Democratic voters, meaning the race is actually much closer.

“I think that’s, given the oversampled size, real good news [for Raye] and not very good news for Mike [Michaud],” she said.

Some 43 percent of resource center survey respondents identified themselves as Democrats, 32 percent as Republicans and 25 percent as independents. But that number reflects how people chose to identify themselves, not how they’re registered, said Mike Tipping of the Maine People’s Resource Center.

In November 2011, 33 percent of Maine voters were registered Democrats, 28 percent were registered Republican, and 36 percent were unenrolled, according to data from the secretary of state’s office.

Pollsters generally don’t weigh their results by party identification. “Most fundamentally, it is an attitude” that changes depending on outside circumstances, the Pew Research Center wrote on its website in August, “not a demographic.”

How voters identified their ideology is a more reliable measure, Tipping said. Some 44 percent of the survey’s respondents identified as “somewhat conservative” or “very conservative” compared to 35 percent as “somewhat liberal” or “very liberal” and 29 percent as moderate.

In the 1st Congressional District, Pingree’s 60-32 edge over Courtney also has changed little since the Maine People’s Resource Center’s April survey, when Pingree led Courtney 61-28.

Courtney has struggled to gain traction in his challenge against Pingree. His fundraising during the second quarter of 2012 amounted to about a tenth of what Pingree collected. He had $19,000 in campaign cash on hand as of June 30.

He also won the Republican nomination for the 1st Congressional District by a razor-thin margin over political newcomer Patrick Calder, and he has struggled to gain the attention of national Republican organizations like Raye has.

The Maine People’s Resource Center found job approval numbers for Gov. Paul LePage are virtually unchanged from the group’s last survey in April. The most recent poll found 39 percent of respondents approved of the Republican governor’s job performance, compared with 54 percent who didn’t approve. In April, 39 percent approved while 56 percent did not approve.

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  1. Gays and lesbians are as good and decent as everybody else–are the Republicans disputing this?  Absolutely not.   But somehow, although the GOP says they are as good and decent as the hetero citizenry, if they get married, it somehow, suddenly, creates something bad and wrong.

    In other words, the GOP is being inconsistent. And it is reasonable to conclude that the GOP is a closet homophobe, and ought, at least, have the decency to come out of the closet :)

    1. This is one issue that does not fall along party lines.  I know many Rebublicans who support gay marriage and many Democrats who oppose it.

      1. http://mittromneycentral.com/on-the-issues/same-sex-marriage/

        Summary: Mitt Romney on Same-Sex Marriage

        Marriage should only be between a man and a woman.Supports a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as between a man and a woman.

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        [Ron] Paul has also said that at the federal level he opposes “efforts to redefine marriage as something other than a union between one man and one woman.” He believes that recognizing or legislating marriages should be left to the states and local communities, and not subjected to “judicial activism.”[143] He has said that for these reasons he would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, had he been in Congress in 1996. The act allows a state to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries, although a state will usually recognize marriages performed outside of its own jurisdiction. The act also prohibits the U.S. Government from recognizing same-sex marriages, even if a state recognizes the marriage.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Same-sex_marriage

        1. Obama swayed for the votes.
          Obama had cited religion in opposing same-sex marriages as he campaigned for president, but in December 2010 declared his position was evolving. That position was widely viewed as a wink and a nod to supporters of gay rights, who believed the president was withholding a public declaration of support out of concerns about alienating some key voters. 

          1. What makes me strange?  That my mother wants me to be happy and that she looks forward to my boyfriend being her son-in-law?

          2. I would have used something other than a dash.  The dash signified that my mother said that.  Yes, I should have used quotation marks, but I was parroting the previous sentenced that also looking like a quote from Fanny.

          3. lol – NOW I get it.
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            My misinterpretation was actually quite funny, wasn’t it?
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            Hope you get to see your wedding day soon! And your Mom rocks.

          4. “Anti-discrimination laws prohibit gay-only housing, but projects can be made friendly toward gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people through marketing and location ” – Heterosexuals already “demand” this.  They are called nursing homes.  The only difference between other nursing homes and this one is that it will be specifically LGBT friendly.

      2. Yeah, I don’t think it’s so much party lines.  It’s all in the mind of the person. People fear what they don’t understand.

          1. LOL, “marriage” is totally against nature! I have yet to see any species other than humans trade wedding vows, file taxes jointly, or even wear wedding rings.

          2. So what if it is? How does it affect you? Will it make your life more difficult to live? Will same sex marriage force you to have to make major changes in your life?

        1. True libertarians  support full marriage equality even though they tend to be conservative on many other issues.

          The government does not belong in the business of deciding which two consenting adults get to be married.

  2. Gay marriage is going to pass this time. Let’s get with the rest of the northeast. The sky hasn’t fallen for them and it won’t fall for us either. 

    1. If not, then maybe in the next four years, eight years, twelve, etc….I’m straight and support it.  I just don’t see how it would affect my life personally.  I’m not on this Earth to tell others how to live or what they can or can’t do.

      1.  Homosexual couples in Maine are free to live in life long relationships with their partners already.  The state is not in the business of registering life long relationships between same sex individuals.  If I went to the town hall to register my life long loving and endearing relationship with my sister or my best girl friend that would be silly.  They are in the business of registering heterosexual relationships because of the children that result from the physical union of that relationship.  It is the children that the state has the interest in.  The education and well being of the children.  The children will carry on the culture and society.  The children will be paying for our national debt.  The children from the heterosexual union will be the ones paying for the health care and social security of all people – heterosexual and homosexual.  That is why the state is in the business of registering heterosexual relationships. 

        1. You’re right, the state of Maine is not in the business of registering same-sex marriages, but this law will change that and then, yes, they will be.

          Not all straight couples have children and right now there are gay couples that do have children.  I can see what you are saying, but allowing same-sex couples to marry will not stop children from being born into the state to carry on our culture and society.  You do mention that the children from heterosexual unions will be “paying for the health care and social security of all people – heterosexual and homosexual.”  If you want to look at it that way, shouldn’t, then, gay couples carry their weight by being members of that same group and be able to marry and have children?

          1. Just look at Romney.  Marriage in his mind is defined as “One Man, Several Women”.  It’s part of his religion though so you can’t question it.  God forbid we question a persons Religion here in America. Unless they are, or are believed to be Muslim.

        2. By calling it a civil union would probably make it easier to attain versus having it defined as a marriage.  My thought is that most hetrosexual people are offended by the thought of same sex “marriage”.  Your thoughts?

    2. In reading the article it struck me that as the election approaches the high ground is to confront people with the reality that no one must marry anyone that that do not want to marry.
      That includes both preachers and their church both individually and collectively.
      So why would anyone vote against love and individual freedom ?

      Now, knowing the arguments, I must write off the vote of those who say it is a sin because the Bible told  me so.

      So, let’s do only that, write off their vote, politically, BUT respect them, and simply point that the law is written to do so as well. 

      Politically, what are the opposition’s points ?
      Conservatives opposing individual rights is ironic enough to win the day
      with those who can be swayed by logic.

      But making it about the details, not the big points like freedom and liberty, rather about;
       
      > how the tax code makes gay households file separately, so pay higher taxes, 
      > how end of life decisions with gay couples really do default to medical panels making the decisions, because the primary care giver has no legal standing,
       >and real family values   
      …. is the better political approach at this late date.

      In short, it boils down to the fact that supporting equal right makes it easy to be the better Americans, politically speaking.

      Barring dogmatic fundamentalism at play in politics, which can readily be seen as  being problematic, elsewhere, taking the world wide view, supporting equal rights for all also feels like the Christlike, if not also, arguably, the more Christian thing to do, too.

      Test my point here.
      Pragmatically, I believe being nice and respectful to the opposition here,
      will do more to  sway the undecided, provided the “moral  majority” do not resort
      to false flag dirty tricks or misrepresentation of the facts, as they did, with lots of out of State money, the last time this was before the we, the people of Maine.

      Pass or not, I say let’s make it about class, now, and which side of the issue actually has it.
      We’ll feel better on the first Weds. of November for doing so.

    3. You are not correct.  Gay marriage has not survived a vote of the people anywhere in the northeast.  It has been mandated by judges and legislatures but has never won an actual vote of the people.

      1. I am correct. I did say anything about how gay marriage was implemented elsewhere. 

        We will be the first in the country to approve it by popular vote. I’m glad we will have that honor. 

          1. It pathetic how you have to change the subject to come up with a response. You’re throwing things at the wall and trying to get things to stick. Day in and day out people refute the garbage you spew and you continue to spew it. 

            Just admit that you have disdain for gay people and leave it at that. Quit trying to pretend like you have this principled stand against them. It’s a sham. You don’t like gays and that’s that. Quit pretending there is a legal or constitutional argument for your position.

          2. I don’t hate anyone. It was a simple question put to you in response to what you said. Care to try answering it like an adult?

          3. It’s not relevant. You claimed it wasn’t in the best interest of society to endorse immorality. I defended that and proved you wrong. It isn’t my burden to address every stupid and irrelevant comparison you can come up with. The issue is homosexuality, not polygamy. 

            I’ve already proven you wrong time and time again on this. Your argument doesn’t fly in circles that matter. Go into a court room and see how well your polygamy subject changer works. I can tell you already that it doesn’t. So move on. 

          4. You said our laws are not based in morality. I’m asking you why polygamy is not allowed if what you said is true. Waiting for your answer…

          5. As was rape.  If a man raped an unmarried virgin, the “punishment” was that he had to marry her.  Basically, the bible had a “you break it, you buy it” policy on marriage.

          6. When liberals resort to abuse and name calling, it means they have lost the argument.

            Congratulations for winning. 

          7. Your questions “Why is polygamy not allowed?” is normally followed by “Why is marrying my dog not allowed?” or “Why is marrying my mother, daughter, father, son not allowed?”

            cp444 your slipping

          8. I’m sure Bob Carlson would have supported SSM.  Then you would have said, see, members of the religious community support SSM. 
            You cannot redefine marriage.  What is next?  Redefine adult to make all those pedophiles happy. You could also say that if you allow gay marriage then you must allow a bisexual to marry one member of their own sex as well as one member of the opposite sex.  You seem to have all day to post on homosexual topics.  

          9. “I’m sure Bob Carlson would have supported SSM.”

            Ah yes the inevitable Carlson comment. Carlson was for SSM, it’s a known fact. Carlson was a pedophile, that is a known fact now. Carlson did not speak for the entire religious community.
            ~~~~~
            “Then you would have said, see, members of the religious community support SSM.”

            But there are many religious leaders who are not pedophiles, hold legitimate degrees from schools of theology and do support SSM. There are also Christian denominations that support SSM on a national level.
            ~~~~~
            “You cannot redefine marriage.”

            The definition of marriage has been redefined twice in my lifetime, 1967 and 2004. That horse left the barn years ago.
            ~~~~~
            “What is next?”

            Nothing
            ~~~~~
            “Redefine adult to make all those pedophiles happy.”

            Could you please show which states that allow SSM or Civil Unions have made a move to change the laws surrounding pedophilia?
            ~~~~~
            “You could also say that if you allow gay marriage then you must allow a bisexual to marry one member of their own sex as well as one member of the opposite sex.”

            Could you please show which states that allow SSM or Civil Unions have made a move to change the laws surrounding polygamy, bestiality, etc…?
            ~~~~~
            “You seem to have all day to post on homosexual topics.”

            You sure seemed concerned about what other people do. But that seems to be the hallmark of those opposed to SSM…concern about what other people do that does not impact them one iota.

          10. More than just Bob Carlson. “The Religious Coalition Against Discrimination (RCAD) is a statewide interfaith network of clergy and lay religious leaders in Maine whose mission is to educate and publicly advocate for the civil and human rights of all people, including lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender persons, within our diverse Maine congregations and communities.”  My minister is also a member. Check them out here: http://www.rcadmaine.org/
            Stick to the topic.  It is allowing one adult to marry another adult of the same gender.  If something comes up to “redefine adult,” then let’s address that topic at that time.
            As for having “have all day to post on homosexual topics,” you might want to address sonofbangor, too.  He’s got some sort of fixation.

          11. Bob Carlson did support “gay” marriage. 

            He was the most influential voice in the state on behalf of allowing homosexuals to “marry.”

            But his tearful pleas on behalf of gay marriage and homosexual marriage were proven false and wicked when he jumped off the bridge near Bucksport. 

          12.  Mitt Romney declared that marriage has been between one man and one woman for over 3,000 years!
            .
            Mitt Romney’s great grandfather had 12 wives … all at the same time.
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            oops

          13. Yes, immorality is not good for society.  That’s why I’m against the immorality of prejudice and bigotry, and for the freedom to marry. 
            I’m for marriage — it promotes family stability, commitment, and fidelity.  If these family values are good for straight couples like my wife and I, they are also good for gay and lesbian couples.  They should be treated fairly and justly under the law, and should have the same freedoms and benefits we have.  Because I support marriage, I support the freedom to marry.
            My religious faith says that it’s time we abandon the sin of prejudice, and treat everyone the same under the law.

          14. They aren’t taught that, the Bible says Homosexuality is wrong, doesn’t matter if you believe in the Bible or God, it’s written in there.  Saying it isn’t is like saying  Cinderella road in a cucumber, Bill Gates got his money working on shoes and LePage doesn’t want to hurt the elderly who have carried the tax load for 60 years.

          15. The Bible also says that if a woman is not a virgin on her wedding night, she should be stoned to death, but I guess we’re just ignoring that one now…

          16. The Bible doesn’t say “Stone Homosexuals” so whats your point?
            The Bible also says Lying is a sin, but I guess none of that has gone on either has it, like these stupid misleading charts.

          17. If read literally, the bible actually does say to kill gays.  Leviticus 20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.  There are plenty of different interpretations, but that is for another debate…

            Yeah, we are ignoring the lying part also.  The point is that people are trying to legislate from the bible while ignoring parts that might be “inconvienent” for them.

          18. I don’t think it’s so much people are trying to use the Bible as law as much as they are saying Yes it is in the Bible no matter if you believe or not, saying it isn’t in there is like saying there is no sun and no taxes.
             Denying lying, we already know that which makes it nearly impossible to believe anything else you say,, crying wolf too often  works against you not for you, don’t you get that? Because you all have lost supporters because of it.

          19. “I don’t think it’s so much people are trying to use the Bible as law as much as they are saying Yes it is in the Bible no matter if you believe or not, saying it isn’t in there is like saying there is no sun and no taxes.” – People don’t try to say that it is not in there anymore, people try to say that it is not relevant anymore.  And yes, by making same sex marriage illegal, they are trying to use the bible to make law, no matter if you believe it or not.   Saying they aren’t is like saying there are no taxes and there is no sun.

            ” Crying wolf too often  works against you not for you, don’t you get that?” – Really? The entire religious right is built on their own “martyr complex”.  They screech “freedom of religion” because they are not given special treatment to be jerks to the rest of the country.

          20. TeaPublican right wingers endorse immorality night and day.  They endorse war and the machinery of war, they endorse pollution, they endorse attacks on voting rights, attacks on civil rights, LIES of all kinds, attacks on women’s rights, attacks on the middle class, attacks on working families, attacks on the poor, attacks on healthcare, attacks on education, attacks on the elderly, attacks on children, attacks on people of different races, ethnicities, and religions, and now, of course, attacks on people of different orientation and consenting adults who want to make their own commitment choices. They endorse all of this as they get down on their knees and smooch the toenails of their corporate puppet masters doing all they can to help them buy more mansions while everyone else struggles.  Right wingers are the poster children for the corrupt and the immoral.  Just listen to the contempt in which their standard bearer, MittTwit RobMe, holds for the “47%”; or in other words the elderly, veterans, retirees, the working class, the middle class, children, and the poor.  SHAME ON THE ENDLESS IMMORALITY OF THE RIGHT WING TEAPUBLICANS.

        1. So why did those judges rule in favor of it?
          What are those ruling based upon… 

          … so if you oppose the US Constitution  what are you,
          …. and what kind of government do you demand, instead ?

        1.  
          Who is John Galt?

          John Galt is a stereotypical character so shallow and seeped in hyperbole as to be cartoonish in nature. Galt’s character was created by a Soviet, atheist, illegal immigrant, amphetamine addict who used the pen name Ayn Rand. After benefiting immensely herself from government funded education and living arrangements, Ms. Rand suddenly decided to make a profit writing silliness about how no one else should ever have similar benefits.

          There is an eerily similarity between the flowery “he-man” descriptive language Rand uses to describe John Galt and the nearly identical way the primary male hero is often described in the most tawdry of romance novels.

          This fictional figure has endeared a near cult (aka “fan-boy”) following with many of the most extreme among self described “conservatives” in America. No one who understands literature, politics or philosophy can figure out why. However, studies of arrested development (the abnormal human state, not the television show) do give us some very good clues.

          1. It is appropriate for a preteen maturity level and I had grown beyond that sort of drivel by the time it was published. I did read it when one of my children became enthralled (he soon grew out of that immature phase as well).
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            It is silliness that the author came up with to make a few bucks by stringing along naive people. Even she recognized that her swooning followers met the P.T. Barnum quote about fooling people to a T. She used to joke about those buying her works and make fun of them regularly at parties.

      1. Unless people against  gay marriage start moving in non gays like the gays are doing to pad the vote, it’s going to loose by dishonest voting. I saw a bunch get off a plane yesterday at the airport, and renting cars.
        If anyone starts looking at New voters list you’ll see a serge right now, you’ll also see a decline in population after the election.
        Oops I gave away one of the secrets.

        1.  Voters are in serge? Is it a worsted twill serge? I really like the worsted variety.
          .
          Folks are coming to Maine to help with the campaign. They are not registering to vote here unless they have decided to move here too.
          .
          Telling lies to try to discredit people just because you disagree with them pretty much assures everyone reading your comment that you have no valid points in your favor,

          1. Right no gays has lied have they, like the constant “Bible doesn’t say being gay is wrong” 3 teenaged boys murderd Charlie Howards cat. They murdered him just  because he was gay and not because he was chasing them around the mall being vulgar and acting like a pedophile at them..
            You want to bring up honesty lets start with how much lacking in honesty has come from the Gay camp.
            And I guess I wasn’t lying about them showing up was I how about you?

          2. If you want to bring up dishonesty, fine.  Let’s play that game shall we?  I do believe that it was the anti-same sex marriage side who repeatedly stated that churches would be forced to marry gay couples.  This was proven false and they knew it.  Yet they continued to repeat that lie.  So, which side is being dishonest again? 

            Right no gays has lied have they, like the constant “Bible doesn’t say being gay is wrong”” – You mean, *gasp* people might have different interpretations of the bible!

          3. How do you say it’s understood different from different groups? Seems to me most of it is  very clear.
            Leviticus 20:13,22:5, 23:17-18
            Gensis 9:24
            Samuel 20:30, 20:31-33
            1st Kings 14:24, 15:12,22:43-46
            2nd Kings 23:7
            Isiah 3:9
            Daniel 11:37
            Romans 1:26-28
            1st Corinithinans 6:9-10
            1st Timothy 1:10
            2nd Timothy 3:3
            Jude 7:8
            Revelations 22:15

          4. First, this has nothing to do the post you replied to.
            Second, if you want to go this route, fine.  You know what else the bible is clear on?  I’ll tell you…
            Kill disobedient children: Deuteronomy 21:18-21
            Kill non-believers: Deuteronomy 17: 2-5
            A woman must marry her rapist: Deuteronomy 22:28-29
            Kill those who work on the Sabbath: Exodus 31:15
            Women must be silent: 1 Timothy 2:12

            And before you try to weasel out of this with a “well those are the OLD testament, that doesn’t apply anymore”, A. you yourself quoted Old Testament, and B. Jesus says to follow the Old Testament:
            “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” – Matthew 5:17-18

            So, some churches understand that we don’t do certain things that the bible “clearly” states to do. 

            As for Leviticus 20:13, it says to put gays to death.  So you are saying that you think all gays should die.  Now, don’t try to back out of what you said.  If you are following what the bible “clearly” says, then you must kill gay people.  Glad to know where you stand on that issue.   If you don’t follow all the other things the bible “clearly” says to do, and instead focus on the verses against homosexuality, that tells me that really, you are just trying to justify a prejudice and hide behind a 2000 year old book.  Until you follow all of what the bible “clearly” says to do, then I guess you are just a hypocrite.  

          5. My point is BELIEVE in the BIBLE or NOT, follow the BIBLE or NOT, thats what  is written and I said nothing about following it, denying it’s in there is  B.S. Old Testament or new.
            And thats something else again, is reading things in peoples comments that are not being said.
             So if you want to play whats not being said and before you try to weasel out of it,  why do gays want to include with this gay marriage law the right  to murder children, kill non believers and force women to marry the man who raped them?

          6. Then how about those who, as you claim, don’t believe in the Bible, allow the gays to marry and those who DO believe, just not participate in SSM?  I’m sure there are scores of legal activities right now that aren’t compatible with some people’s religious beliefs and those people are free to not participate in those, so what’s the difference with this?

  3. TODAY is the one year anniversary of the repeal of DADT.

    (I don’t see any BDN articles on it, though)

    To all the liars that said it would cause a disaster – YOU WERE WRONG.

    Just as wrong as you are about SSM.I’m not judging you, though.  

    HISTORY is going to do that just fine.

  4. The message I have seen from those opposed to same-sex marriage this time has been “gays and lesbians can already protect themselves with domestic partnerships, they don’t need civil marriage”

    I applaud the fact that their argument now agrees that we should be treated equally under our laws, but their argument that we already have these rights is fundamentally incorrect. There are over 1,100 benefits and privileges that our government extends to us based on our marital status. Many of these benefits cannot be obtained outside of a civil marriage certificate.

    There is nowhere in our nation where civil unions or domestic partnerships come close to reproducing the breadth or depth of protections that come from a $40 civil marriage license.

    I hope that most Mainers will join me this November in voting YES on question 1, because ALL Maine families need the important protections of civil marriage, so we can protect the lives we build together, and the children we raise together.

        1. Maybe because teh gay marry is part of a Swedish-Soviet plot to increase government to the point where we’re all Communist slaves to those who are more equal than others.  Or something like that.  I can’t keep up with the latest theory….

          1. NO, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.  Gay marriage is a Chinese plot to take over the US.  If we legalize gay marriage, then everyone turns gay and no one has babies.  If no one has babies, where will we get new ones?  Where we get everything else, China.  China then ships over led lined babies to the US, giving all of our politicians led poisoning from kissing the babies.  Without proper leadership, our country is easy pickings for the chinese government.

  5. Homosexuals have made a personal choice to pursue a lifestyle that is contrary to natural law and every admonition that compels decency. Notwithstanding, these modern day sybarites are at liberty to pursue their own road to perdition. But when they amass like schools of invasive hagfish hell-bent on destroying the institution of marriage and the family, then they are no longer to be pitied. Arrogance and anger frames their illogical and fallacious arguments, while shame forces them to flee from the truth to a more vapid and lonely place.

    1. Actually, there is agreement from those who have examined the issue that sexual orientation is not a choice we make. I am not saying there is a genetic cause for homosexuality (though we may find that out through more scientific study), I am saying that sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic.

      It is immoral and unethical to treat an American differently under our laws. This is true for sexual orientation, and it’s also true for some things that ARE clearly choices, such as one’s choice to be a practicing Catholic.

      Even so, it’s important to note that our churches are free to deny marriage ceremonies to anyone for any reason, and that will continue to be true. Our First Amendment protects religious views, and our Fourteenth Amendment demands we treat Americans equally under our laws.

      This is why civil marriage for same-sex couples will be a reality nationwide, and our nation will be better for it— for the more we learn about each other as human beings, the less reasons we find to senselessly oppose each others pursuit of happiness.

    2. What happened? This is like reading Aristotle, and the next page is missing.

      Did the Thought Police arrest you like they do in Canada for saying sodomy is wrong? 

      1. Is that what they do in Canada?  I would be interested in learning more about that.  Can you please provide some references?

    3. Thanks for so enlightening those of us who as straight people completely support gay marriage.  No doubt you have no qualms about single parents–through divorce or death–as threats to marriage. Or should we eliminate their rights too? And remove any children from their homes? The real shame is someone who can’t grasp the fact that gender preference is not a choice and cannot be readily changed. Hating gays and lesbians as you obviously do doesn’t affect that fact of life. 

          1. Witholding gay marriage from Maine citizens does real and demonstrable harm. Offering same-sex couples in Maine access to civil marriage allows for more protections of children being raised by same-sex couples.

          2. Actually my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are in need of protection from bigots and homophobes.

      1. Do you feel the same about straight people who participate in similar parades during carnival, etc.?  Should straight people also not be allowed to marry?

        I doubt you’ll answer this.  Many people here who bring up such examples as a reason why I can’t marry the man I love COMPLETELY ignore similar activities among straight people.  

        I’m still waiting for someone to come down on the person who talked about “suicide queens.”  Those who oppose SSM here never ever notice that sort of behavior either.

        1. There will be none who will call out the “suicide queens” comment …. comments like that get pointed out to them and they plead ignorance: they didn’t see it … they never see them, “if I had I would have addressed it” … convenient and selective vision difficulties.

      2. Why do you watch?

        Why do you go?

        Good grief man, I’m gay and I don’t watch them or go.

        You’re starting to show why you have this obsession… it excites you, doesn’t it?

      1. So relative to everyone who says human sexuality is a life style choice:
         
        How and when did you discover,  then decide, to pursue a  heterosexual life style ?

        Those are stories I’d like to hear !

    4. How can my right to marry or not destroy or diminish your own marraige?! Your level of ignorance is more frightening than annoying. You are truly to be pittied.

    5. Whether homosexuals live openly as such or live in the so-called closet, their sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. That old saw has been pretty much put to rest, except, perhaps, in the minds of those who fear, thus resist, their own inclination in that direction (as a lawyer with a shaky case might put -“when in doubt, go on the attack”). As research has long shown, the proportion of humans who are homosexual seems to be about the same no matter which society is under the microscope – even those where homosexuality can lead to execution by the state, or worse, by the crowd. Isn’t it possible that the presence of homosexuality and bisexuality in human society are as much a result of “natural law”, as you put it, as any other sexual orientation? 

    6. Never mind that you’re wrong scientifically and socially speaking, your political  point is to oppose personal choice  in America, in favor of what ?

    7. Wow.  Such vivid metaphors both high and extremely lowly.  Trouble is (for you) they have no relevance to the issue.

    8. Bigots have made a personal choice to pursue a lifestyle that is contrary to natural law and every admonition that compels decency. Notwithstanding, these modern day sybarites are at liberty to pursue their own road to perdition. But when they amass like schools of invasive hagfish hell-bent on destroying the institution of marriage and the family, then they are no longer to be pitied. Arrogance and anger frames bigots’ illogical and fallacious arguments, while shame forces them to flee from the truth to a more vapid and lonely place.

  6. This should not be a political issue but a people issue.  Those people will vote on Nov 6th.  until then be patient.  Each person is entitled to their beliefs and opinions.

    1. When your beliefs and opinions interfere with and dictate how other citizens live their lives, there is something really messed up.

  7. This is an amazing story of the intersection of deceit, debauchery and violence. Video accounts of LaVallee-Davidson’s testimony April 22 at the civic center was actually used to promote the same-sex marriage law before it was revealed he was facing manslaughter charges from a killing that occurred just four nights earlier. 

    On the positive side, the voters of Maine voted down the same-sex marriage proposition – like so many others across the nation. But, less than a month later, Maine’s top legislators were meeting with homosexual leaders to plan the next move in imposing same-sex marriage on the people of Maine. antimisandry.com http://antimisandry.com/discrimination-sexist-double-standards/same-sex-advocate-s-m-killing-26803.html#ixzz26w3siow5

    1. By your logic we should not allow ANYONE to get married, because some human beings are terrible people who commit crimes.

      1. No, by my logic we should not trust EVERYONE who says that same sex marriage is healthy and normal, because MANY or ALMOST ALL homosexuals engage in sex practices which are UNHEALTHY and which are not  something to base marriage on.

          1. Do they have records where they have studied your brain, and understand where this deep-seated obsession with demonizing homosexuals comes from?

          2. I am not obligated to do your work for you.

            Online statistics based on CDC numbers give the rate for homosexuals as from 44 – 100 times greater than the rate for heterosexuals.

            Google “AIDS rate for homosexuals compared to AIDS rate for heterosexuals.”

            What do you estimate it to be?

            The same?

            Twice as high?

            Three times as high?

            What number do you propose?

          3. Well, I might be part of those ignorant Americans who can’t do math that sonofbangor was talking about, but I do seem to recall that 50 is not 70.  And really, in a range from 0 to 100, it’s wildly off from 70.

          4. When one is debating AND that person wants to be believed, it is good practice to back up your claims.

            Otherwise, one could say things like, “My cat told me that when my cat worked in the mines of South Manitoba, it was the law that all cats were required to work 12 hours a day, seven days a week, for just a handful of kibble!  And that was as recent as 2010!!!  What?!??   You don’t believe ME?!??!  Well, then, look it up yourself!  You can’t expect ME to do YOUR work for you!!!!!”

            Of course, you do say that last part.  But it really is preposterous to make wild claims and then say that you should just be believed with no questions.

            I know you won’t answer this, but I’ll still pray for you.

          5. The CDC graphs speak for themselves.

            The number of AIDS cases for homosexuals is twice that for heterosexuals, although homosexuals make up only a small percentage of the population. 

            But yes, I know! The CDC is bigoted! a hate-filled organization! 

          6. So, then, you are saying that the graph shows that 70% of the cases are made up of gays and that gays are only 3% of the population?

          7. Why only focus on the homosexual community SonofBangor?

            Overall, CDC’s new incidence estimates continue to show that Gay and bisexual men remain the population most heavily affected by HIV in the United States. CDC estimates MSM represent approximately 2% of the US population, but accounted for more than 50% of all new HIV infections annually from 2006 to 2009 –56% in 2006 (27,000), 58% in 2007 (32,300), 56% in 2008 (26,900) and 61% (29,300) in 2009.

            African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos are the racial/ethnic groups most affected by HIV. African Americans represent approximately 14% of the US population, but accounted for 44% (21,200) of all new HIV infections in 2009. Hispanic/Latinos represent approximately 16% of the total US population, but accounted for 20% (9,400) of all new HIV infections in 2009.

            Overall, in 2009, African American men had the highest rate of new HIV infections (103.9 new infections per 100,000 persons), followed by Hispanic/Latino men (39.9 per 100,000), and African American women (39.7 per 100,000).

          8. I think sonofbangor is making up stats.  If they were true, I’m sure he would pass them on as fast as he could

          9. Do you not see the nonsense of your argument? You want to say that homosexuals are promiscuous, but then you want to deny them the ability legally strengthen their monogamous relationships? That makes no sense. 

          10. Sure, sure…

            Just like Bruce LaValle-Davidson claimed to be monogamous, and “married in the eyes of God”  that Friday night with two other homosexuals, four drugs, three guns, and a flying trapeze…

            We can see the general level of sexual morality in the homosexual community from their Gay Shame parades. 

            So spare us the tearful, Bruce LaValle-style preaching. 

            Sick, sick, sick…

            America is sick, and getting sicker.

          11. What’s sick is that you pick one example and pretend that it represents the whole. Guess what, there are straight people living with HIV/AIDS — guess that eradicates your entire argument. There are heterosexuals who have killed their spouses — guess that eradicates your entire argument. 

          12. It doesn’t matter. Your Bruce LaValle example represents 1 out of the entire gay population and you’re still using it to smear the whole bunch. Quit being a hypocrite here. If you want to say all gays are like Bruce, fine, but then that means that all straight people have HIV/AIDS and they all kill their spouses too.

            You created the standard, now stick to it. 

          13. Please take it up with the Center for Disease Control.

            The statistics on AIDS are published there for everyone to see.

            Using simple math, anyone can see that homosexuals contract AIDS at approximately 100 times the rate of heterosexuals. 

            Logic tells us that if AIDS is a sexually-transmitted disease, then clearly there is something wrong with the sexual practices in the homosexual community.

          14. Now wait a minute…

            How can it be “one example” if there were three people involved, and it was part of a wider organized activity?

            Find me one example of someone who killed someone in a crazed, drug-fueled sadomasochistic act of debauchery, then testified on behalf of traditional marriage four days later. 

            Something is rotten in Denmark, and something is a whole lot rottener in San Francisco.

          15. One incident, one example. Even if it is 3, that’s a pretty poor excuse to stereotype and smear the whole bunch.

            I can find at least 3 heterosexuals with HIV/AIDS and at least 3 heterosexuals who have killed their spouses and worse. Guess straight people are just as bad as gays then. 

            Do you have a real argument here or just your double standards? 

          16. Find me ONE example of someone who killed a person in a drug-fueled act of debauchery then made a tearful plea on behalf of monogamy and  traditional marriage four days later.

            You want us to believe that all is sweetness and light in the homosexual subculture despite the Shame Parades, the promiscuity, and the rampant AIDS.

            The words and the facts just don’t match up. The image your movement is trying to portray  doesn’t match up with reality.

            Gays  =  healthy and good
            Heteros and Christians  =  sick and evil 

            Something is clearly wrong with your equation. 

            I think “gay marriage” is proof this society is very sick indeed. 

          17. LOL, what absurdity you spout in your frothing obsession on this!

            Find me ONE example of a hearing held to determine whether civil marriage should be offered to heterosexual couples.

            And your straw man you attack bears no resemblance to those of us fighting for marriage equality.

            I support BOTH traditional heterosexual marriage AND same-sex marriage!

          18. I’m not ignoring facts or forcing myself to believe anything. What I refuse to do is listen to someone spout bigoted nonsense. Someone who finds one bad example and harps on and on about it. 

            There are plenty of heterosexuals who have killed their spouses. Even plenty who have killed their own children. There are plenty of heterosexual drug users and abusers. That’s reality. But guess what, we don’t judge everyone by the misdeeds of strangers. That’s wrong. It’s stupid to do in fact. Your blind hatred is what is sick. 

          19. I am sorry, but I do not have time to teach you how to read a graph.

            The graph which shows the number of people living with AIDS shows that in absolute terms, the number of homosexuals with AIDS is TWICE that of heterosexuals!

            And this is even though homosexuals make up only 3% of the population! 

          20. You’re a bigot. Plain and simple. Quit pretending you have facts on your side. You’re just lying because you hate gay people. 

          21. I am a bigot, I do hate gay people. Can’t all of you find it in your heart to forgive me? After all don’t you all just want everyone’s voice to be heard? You know, everyone just to be treated equally? Please don’t say, o.k. I hate you too, that would be hypocritical.

          22. Well, I have heard it said that “The truth is hate only for those who hate the truth.”

            When presented with the truth of the CDC graphs, you all resorted to abuse and name-calling.

            Beware the homosexual rights movement, people. 

          23. OH PLEASE, NAME CALLING? You’ve been screeching all day and smearing gay people and now suddenly you’re being victimized? Pathetic. 

          24. From the CDC

            African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos are the racial/ethnic groups most affected by HIV. African Americans represent approximately 14% of the US population, but accounted for 44% (21,200) of all new HIV infections in 2009. Hispanic/Latinos represent approximately 16% of the total US
            population, but accounted for 20% (9,400) of all new HIV infections in 2009.

            Overall, in 2009, African American men had the highest rate of new HIV infections (103.9 new infections per 100,000 persons), followed by Hispanic/Latino men (39.9 per 100,000), and African American women (39.7 per 100,000).

          25. The CDC graphs speak for themselves.

            The graphs show that the rate of those suffering from AIDS is astronomically higher for homosexuals than for heterosexuals.

            Anyone who wants the truth can just go look at the graphs.

            Again, the graphs speak for themselves. 

          26. If there are 10 people in a group and 5 are male, then that rate is 50%.
            If there are 500 people in a group and 50 are male, then that rate is 10%.
            The groups that you are referring to have differing numbers within their populations, so it’s possible that a small group can show a high rate while larger group can have a lower rate but still have a higher total.

          27. I am sorry, but you are misinterpreting the CDC graphs.

            One graph clearly shows that the total number of AIDS cases among homosexuals is approximately twice that of AIDS cases among heterosexuals despite the fact that homosexuals make up a small percentage of the population. 

            The larger group has a LOWER rate and a LOWER total number of cases. 

          28. Okay, that may be.  (There are MANY graphs on that site).  But really, what is your point?  That people with AIDS shouldn’t be allowed to marry?

          29. From the CDC

            African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos are the racial/ethnic groups most affected by HIV.

            African Americans represent approximately 14% of the US population, but accounted for 44% (21,200) of all new HIV infections in 2009. Hispanic/Latinos represent approximately 16% of the total US population, but accounted for 20% (9,400) of all new HIV infections in 2009.

            Overall, in 2009, African American men had the highest rate of new HIV infections (103.9 new infections per 100,000 persons),
            followed by Hispanic/Latino men (39.9 per 100,000), and African American women (39.7 per 100,000).

        1. I will base my marriage on sincere love, complete trust, and total commitment to the man I am spending my life with.

          You tell me you are only interested in marriage for sex?

          1. You can live your life with the one you love, the only thing that’s different from living your life with your brother or best friend is your irresistible urge to have sex with that person.Stop being dishonest.

          2. When two people want to share their life together, there is far more to the relationship than any “irresistible urge to have sex with that person.”

          3. Yeah, I know plenty of straight people who get such an irresistible urge who do not really ever plan to marry.  And that’s in states where the gays are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex only!

          4. So the love you have for your spouse (assuming you have one) is just the same as the love you have for a sibling or a best friend?  And you only married because of your irresistible urge to have sex with that person? 

        2.  Studies have shown that people with the level of extreme homophobia that you project are very, very likely suppressing gay tenancies themselves and are just incredibly frightened of their own innate longings.

          1. No, actually I’m very fair and even-handed about criticizing each and every one of the degenerate aspects of this civilization.

            The purple plague of perversion simply happens to be the aspect of degeneracy which is under discussion now.

            Tomorrow it will be the corrupt art, the bad music, the boundless greed and penny-licking  which has given all Americans a bad reputation worldwide. 

            Now back to the discussion about the level of extreme AIDS, this wholesome, healthy, happy, family-loving movement has… 

          2. Because the homosexual marriage movement is based on lies and deception, of course it was important to ignore my original question!

            The question under discussion was the RATE of AIDS cases in homosexuals compared to the rate in heterosexuals.

            The graphs you provided proved my point by showing that the RATE is astronomically higher in homosexuals.

            We were not discussing the incidence of new cases. 

          3. You’re the liar. You can’t even respond to real facts. All you have is hate and falsehoods. So disgusting.

          4. Perhaps you have been dishonest enough to go back and edit your original comments, but that is NOT what your comments said. You said that 70% of all AIDS comes from homosexuals.

            It doesn’t. You lied.

          5.  “The fastest growing group of new HIV/AIDS cases ( In the U,S.) is among African American and Hispanic women.”

            “In 2004, HIV was the fourth leading cause of death for Floridians between the ages of 25 and44.*” http://www.nmanet.org/National

            “Among African Americans in this age group, HIV infection is the leading cause of death.”

            “Many of these young adults likely were infected in their teens and twenties. *” *CDC, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/fa

            Source – http://www.doh.state.fl.us/dis

            “WOMEN now have the highest rate of new HIV infections. Women of
            color are especially affected: AIDS-related illness is now the LEADING
            CAUSE OF DEATH for African-American women in the U.S.”

            “TEENAGE GIRLS have the fastest-growing rate of new HIV infections among people under 25 years old”

            “In the U.S, African-Americans have the highest case rates of any native, ethnic group, followed by Latinos, American Indian/Alaska natives, whites, and Asian/Pacific Islanders.”

            http://www.nctraining.ncgov.co

        3. And, again, many straights engage in the SAME sex practices that you say are “UNHEALTHY and which are not  something to base marriage on.”

          And, please correct me if I am wrong, don’t many marriages actually end up with the two people having LESS sex?!?!? 

    2. OMG!  I just LOVE Angelina Jolie!!!  What’s the name of that movie, again?  I must show it to my church as a reason why they should vote against SSM!

      1. Regular Joe, that was the movie called “The Changeling” about the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP murders. 

        If you showed it in your church, very few people would vote for same sex marriage after viewing it — that is true. 

        1. Too bad it is a fictionalized account of the murders and doesn’t bother to mention the mothers involvement in incest, sexual abuse of children and murder.

  8. These polls are nothing but propaganda and are about as believable as polls conducted by NBC regarding the Presidential race. 

    The fact of the matter is more people are against SSM than there are in favor of it. Michaud and Pingree’s seats are both in jeopardy and both they know it as does the DNC.

    Obama’s reelection bid is in trouble as well which is why the socialist controlled mainstream media is working over-time distorting the facts about anything that comes out of Romney/Ryan’s mouth. If you believe that I’m wrong consider this little fact. Just today Andrea Mitchell eluded that the 14 year old video of Obama stating that he believed in the redistribution of wealth may be a fake even after Obama’s own people admitted that it in fact was a video of Obama.

      1.  Really. Thanks for pointing that fact out to me. Apparently I have been confused all this time because I thought they were against your Country!

        1. No— upholding our Constitution is important to me, that’s why civil marriage for same-sex couples is absolutely the right thing to do, to abide by our equal protection clause.

    1. Hey Mountain Man

      The NBC polls are conducted in conjunction with the Wall Street Journal.  Now please tell me how the Journal is a liberal rag when it is owned by Murdoch.

          1. Yes, it’s quite clear.  Whenever anything positive is in the news, the gay mafia is behind it.  Rational and level-headed straight people would never publish such filth without being tricked or coerced by those dandy-campers.

          1. How DARE you!  No self respecting gay man would ever be caught in one of those “Zoot Suits”!  Haven’t stereotypes taught you anything?

          2. Then how will we know who the Mafia members are?
            .
            oh noes!
            .
            The gay mafia could be behind that bush RIGHT NOW!

  9. I have no idea where you got your numbers from, but they are completely false. Firstly, the rate of known cases in Gay men is somewhat higher based on the fact that we started educating our brothers early on in the Pandemic. As a result we are more likely to be tested and know our status. Unlike you, HIV does not discriminate.
    I feel that it’s important to note that you want to play the AIDS card; yet appear to have an issue with Gay people wanting to marry and settle down. Do you even stop and read what you write, or does it just flow out of you like vomit unchecked. Sorry, this was in response to sonofbangor.

  10. Michaud needs to go!!!! He does nothing for Maine or the Country. When will the people in the County wake up, this is not Canada.   Maine is in last place for a reason, the people of this state are not that smart at picking Congressmen!!! 

  11. Same canned comments posted by paid pumpers, or stay at home entitlement recipients who have all day to opine on the virtues of homosexual marriage.

    1. The opposite is true. I care about this issue, so I am paying money out of each paycheck toward Mainers United for Marriage. 

      I come here to respond to these hateful, hurtful attacks to share that there is nothing immoral about two people who have built a life together and wish to protect it and their family with civil marriage.

  12. Just one point I’d like make. If same sex marriage is so popular why has it never passed when put on a ballot? An April 27-29, 2012, poll by Public Policy Polling revealed that 55% would vote for the amendment, while 41% would vote against it, and 4% were undecided. This was a PPP poll on the North Carolina SSM Amendment that passed by 61 % of voters.

    1.  Same reason interracial marriage kept getting overruled for so many years.

      Bigotry takes time to correct but as the younger generation takes over it will happen everywhere.

      1. It is not bigotry. It is morality.

        And the proof is that the homosexual subculture is plagued with AIDS and many other diseases.

        So stop calling people names. 

        1. Might want to do some fact checking before making claims SonofBangor.

          “The fastest growing group of new HIV/AIDS cases ( In the U,S.) is among African American and Hispanic women.”

          “In 2004, HIV was the fourth leading cause of death for Floridians between the ages of 25 and
          44.*” http://www.nmanet.org/National_Programs_HIVAids.htm

          “Among African Americans in this age group, HIV infection is the leading cause of death.”

          “Many of these young adults likely were infected in their teens and twenties. *” *CDC, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/youth.htm

          Source – http://www.doh.state.fl.us/disease_ctrl/aids/Basic_HIV_AIDS_info.pdf

          “WOMEN now have the
          highest rate of new HIV infections. Women of color are especially affected: AIDS-related illness is now the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH for African-American women in the U.S.”

          “TEENAGE GIRLS have
          the fastest-growing rate of new HIV infections among people under 25 years old”

          “In the U.S, African-Americans have the highest case rates of any native, ethnic
          group, followed by Latinos, American Indian/Alaska natives, whites, and
          Asian/Pacific Islanders.”

          http://www.nctraining.ncgov.com/aids/aids_text_only.htm

          1. Preposterous.

            The graph proves that in absolute terms, homosexuals have approximately twice the number of AIDS cases as heterosexuals, despite the fact that they are a small percentage of the population. 

            We were not talking about the rate of new cases.

            We were talking about how sexual practices within the homosexual community led to astronomically higher rates of a sexually-transmitted disease, AIDS.  

            No wonder America ranks near the bottom of industrialized nations in math. 

            It is one thing to be in error, but to willfully disregard the truth is quite another. 

            Now that you have seen fit to join the conversation, perhaps you can explain why homosexuals, who are a small percentage of the population, represent 63% of the serial killers. 

            If everything is sweetness and light in the homosexual subculture, why are they over-represented among serial killers, the worst example of which is the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS? Unless you can think of a worse example, that is.

          2. Why do you ignore the involvement of the mommy dearest in the “WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS”?

            Mommy dearest committed incest with her son.

            Mommy dearest sexually abused the victims and in at least one case murdered her victim.

            If you are going to tell the story why not the whole story?

          3. That is not the main point of the story, is it?

            Isn’t the main point the horrific nature of these crimes, and the lack of normalcy in the homosexual subculture? 

            Something is clearly wrong there, or is it all sweetness and light, except for the sexually-transmitted diseases and the the over-representation in serial murders and other horrific crimes?

          4. No, the main point of the story was and is two pedophiles (one a woman and her son) sexually abused children and murdered them. Both were convicted (mommy dearest received a life sentence and her son the death penalty) of the murder(s).

            You wish to overlook those parts of the story which are inconvenient to your agenda.

          5. Besides reading about the murder in southern Maine and seeing that Angelina movie, what other qualifications do you have that makes you an expert on the gay subculture?
            And how can you ignore the immoral actions of a straight women in all that?  Are you saying that that’s okay because she wasn’t a part of the gay subculture?

          6. Well, I do know that the “Father of the Gay Rights Movement,” Harry Hay from Greenwich Village, was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. 

            I do know that he modeled your movement on Stalin’s definition of what constitutes a minority. That is, he set about to redefine homosexuals so that they could be a minority and have their own civil rights movement.

            I do know that the movement started when two transvestites in drag upset over Judy Garland’s death started a riot in a bar in Greenwich Village in 1967.

            I do know that the term “The Sexual Revolution” was invented by another Communist, Wilhelm Reich.

            I do know that the AIDS plague spread worldwide after Mayors Harvey Milk and Ed Koch refused to close the bathhouses in San Francisco and New York. 

            I do know that Ted Bundy engaged in homosexual behavior. 

            But what else do I not know about the movement?

            Perhaps you could enlighten us.

          7. You appear to know myths, rumors, and falsehoods.  And what little fact is there you have spun to suit your bias.
            You have implied that we have connections with Communists and that we want this country to be Communist.  I guess we are really envious of the way gays were treated in the USSR and are currently being treated in Cuba and North Korea.
            Even if it were true, so what if a couple of drag queens started the movement.  And it was 1969, not 1967. In any case, the link to Judy Garland’s death is an urban myth.
            It’s disingenuous to link the spread of AIDS worldwide to bath houses being kept open-how did that affect the crisis in Africa?  You are also ignoring the link between drug use and transmission of the virus.   Also, Harvey Milk died in 1978, three years before AIDS was first clinically observed.  And he was never the mayor of San Francisco.
            If Ted Bundy did engage in homosexual behavior, I am not sure what your point is about that.  I know you try to tell people that the vast majority of serial killers are gay, but you have yet to convince us.  You can come up with a few examples, perhaps, but I would think that to back up such a wild notion, you’d have to do a little more research.  Probably even a study!
            So, I hope you are more enlightened now!!  So, please stop spreading this false information.

          8.  I stand corrected.

            It was in 1969 that your movement started in Greenwich Village when a transvestite, after drinking heavily, committed felony assault on an officer of the law.

            This occurred, I believe, two days after Judy Garland’s death. 

            The incident was followed by several days of rioting, was it not?

            And Harvey Milk was not Mayor of San Francisco, but rather a City Supervisor, who passed a strict gay rights ordinance.

            Now, please answer my question: 

            Is it not true that Harry Hay, the Father of the Gay Rights Movement, was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party of the United States?
             

          9. Who cares?

            It’s also true that Francis Bellamy, author of the pledge of allegiance, was an admitted socialist… does that make ALL baptist ministers (which he was) socialists?

            Your generalizations point to a very shallow mind and a very sheltered life.

            You’re a great ally though: do you even realize that?

          10. When a Communist invents and outlines the strategy which turns homosexuality into a civil riots movement, then yes, it is a Communist-inspired movement.

            And it has as its ultimate goal the destruction of the family and the collapse of our way of life.Don’t think that it won’t happen once you have removed the words “father” and “mother” from the Maine Statutes. 

            Or do you deny that Harry Hay, “Father of the Gay Rights Movement,” was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party? 

          11. You really are insane.

            Good grief.

            There’s nothing to deny… it’s meaningless.

            Unless all baptists are socialists, and your over-reaching, sheltered little brain is on to something. After all, Bellamy was a baptist and a socialist, so all baptists (according to your logic) must therefore be socialists.
            You’re pathetic.

          12. Medical science proves the Bible’s warning against homosexual practices.

            “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:27) King James Bible, the Cambridge Edition.

            The homosexual subculture is blasted with disease because of unnatural sex acts and promiscuity.

            The people of Maine must NEVER put this on a par with marriage, which is wholesome and live-giving!

          13. Honestly, your ranting has just gotten funny.  I’m surprised you even know how to turn on a computer.  Speaking of computers, you do realize that you have a gay man to thank for computers, right?  You also realize that both Apple and Microsoft support same sex marriage?  Oh, and Google too.  By the way, did you know that 15,429,942 websites use Google Analytics?  It’s true!  So, everytime to go online to rant against gays, you are most likely, in some way, supporting same sex marriage!  And the only thing you can do about it is to never use a computer again!

          14. Your buy-bull is meaningless… The vast majority of gay citizens (roughly 8.4 million of the 9 million estimated by the Williams Institute) are free of disease. Which leads me to ask, why are you so afraid? Unless you’re on the down-low (cuz we know you’re dancing with the King of Narnia in the back of that closet), why are you so concerned?

            The buy-bull is YOUR CHOICE. It is NOT our civil law. In fact, the vast majority of your “sins” are perfectly legal in this state and this nation. We’re not a theocracy… just a simple fact.

            I know no homosexuals with disease… just like you know no homosexuals.

            The people of Maine won’t have to do anything. You’ll lose this battle in court.

            Life giving? Sorry my closeted little buddy… millions of married couples have no children. Procreation has nothing to do with it.

            It’s people like you that insure our victory: you sound just like members of the KKKlan. That doesn’t bode well for you.

          15. Well, you should tell that to the CDC right away, because they say that one in five homosexuals have AIDS.

            That would be 20%, not the 5% figure you gave above.

          16. In 21 US cities… you forgot to include that part, as well it’s one in 5 GAY MEN, not women. You ALWAYS leave lesbians out of your tirades. It also cites that most new cases are among african-american men: you want to start screaming about black folks now too little bigot?

            Expected though… your kind never include the full statistics.

            CDC statistics show ~51% of those living with AIDS are gay citizens… that’s ~600,000 people. The Williams Institute working with the US Census beureau estimates that there are ~9 million gay citizens in this country.

            Keep it up little KKKman… you only help my side.

          17. That’s a lie.

            They said 1 in 5 men who have sex with men in 21 US cities.
            Been gay my entire life and I’ve NEVER known anyone with HIV/AIDS, just as you’ve NEVER known a gay person in your life.
            Why do you only tell part of the story?

          18. PS: Just so you know, little peon, how your generalizations don’t apply to everyone, I’ve never been promiscuous in my life. Sorry to disappoint.
            I’ve been with the same person for over 20 years. However, I’m sure you’ve been divorced at least once. No one in their right mind would put up with such a slime-ball as yourself.

          19. One man did not start this movement.  And no gays I know are Communist nor do they want this country to be such.

          20. Apparently he was a Communist, yes.  But not all gay Americans share all of his views, just as you don’t share the views of all straight Americans.
            What is your point, though?  Do you think that we want this to be a God-less Communist nation?

          21. But anyway, when you claim to know something, make sure that your data is correct.  When you make errors in a comment detailing how much you know about something, your credibility falls even further than it already was.

          22. Would you like to have a conversation about Christian radicals killing doctors and blowing up abortion clinics. They do not represent all Christians and your horrific stories do not represent me and my beautiful family. God Bless. 

          23. I live with my partner and our children. They are honor students and athletes, one is military and college, one is in college. We are normal. We are educated, tax paying, American citizens. Whether you vote this in or not, we will still love each other forever. You will still be full of hate and anger. I will not because I forgive you for hating me. God Bless. 

          24. Interesting how straight sex practices have led to astronomical rates of HIV among straight people in Africa…

          25. Interesting how straight sex practices have led to astronomical rates of HIV among straight people in Africa…

          26. Interesting how straight sex practices have led to astronomical rates of HIV among straight people in Africa…

          27. I would suggest that you educate yourself on how HIV/AIDS is transmitted but I doubt if you care based on your comment. But in the interest of educating others here are the methods of HIV/AIDS transmission:

            “HIV infection can happen through anal, vaginal or oral sex if you don’t
            use a condom. Unprotected (condom-less) oral sex is not as risky as
            vaginal and anal, but still can spread HIV, especially when there are
            cuts, bleeding gums or canker sores in the mouth.

            Sharing any of the equipment to inject drugs can spread HIV.

            Without treatment, an HIV positive woman will transmit HIV to her child during pregnancy or childbirth about 25% of the time. Babies can also become positive through breastfeeding.”

            Source – http://www.aidshealth.org/learn-about-it.html/2/

            Transmission is NOT dependent on homosexual or bisexual contact.

        2. Pointing out that you are behaving like a bigot is coming directly from your own actions … behaving like a bigot.

          1. Perhaps you are a heterophobe.  If we are going to redefine marriage, what is next redefining what an adult is. That sure would make all the pedophiles happy.

          2. A “heterophobe” who was married to the same incredible woman for over 50 years?
            .
            You are desperate, aren’t you?
            .
            btw: You are aware that the legal definition of the what constitutes an adult has already changed, right?
            .
            Many states did not allow 18-20 year old citizens to vote just a few years back. The law was changed to redefine any American over 18 as an adult for the purpose of obtaining the legal right to vote. Prior to that change the definition had varied state to state.

          3. The only desperation is coming from you.  Why don’t you talk to victims of homosexual abuse who were children at the time.  Sounds like you would like to redefine adult.  You would probably also be okay with a bisexual marrying two people one of the same sex and one of the opposite sex.  Are you so open minded that your brain has fallen out?  This is a very dangerous slope.

          4. They said the same thing about interracial marriage.  In a few years, you will be thought of in the same way as we think about the people opposed to interracial marriage.  Have fun with that…

          5. BEing Gay does not equal being black.  YOu are being a racist.  This is why the majority of the African American Community is opposed to same sex marriage.  People like you are what provokes states to pass state constitutional amendments against gay marriage.  Would you also prefer to redefine adult so that people can marry someone of the same sex underage can get married.  How about bisexuals, they should be able to be married to two people, one of the same sex and one of the opposite sex, that way they can double their marriage benefits.  

          6. Hmm, a group of people being denied marriage licenses based on the person they want to marry, yeah, no similarities there (sarcasm).

            As for your scare tactic about children, there is SCIENCE, a.k.a. FACTS that shows why children cannot consent.  There are no such FACTS as to why same sex couples should be denied the right to marry.  As for bisexuals, just stop.  You are showing your ignorance about what it means to be bisexual.  Following your logic, if a straight man is attracted to two different women, he should be married to both.  Your ignorance about bisexuality is no excuse to deny people their rights.  It would actually be funny if you weren’t serious.

          7. Sigh…more perpetuation of propaganda devised by NOM and its ilk-the blacks versus gay scenario just isn’t true.
            And, really, comparing blacks to gays is being racist?  Like being gay is inferior?
            Say what you want, the facts are that the majority of people were against inter-racial marriage and now they’re not.  That is a fact.  Oh, and another fact is that more people are okay with same-sex marriage now than even a few years ago.  I have provided links to show that and will again if you wish.
            And….again….polygamy is not the issue here.  Same-sex marriage is.

          8. And there are victims of heterosexual abuse who were children at the time.  You want to stop straight people from getting married?  I hope not because some of my best friends are straight and they want to get married!

        3. And of course you do know (and never mention) that lesbians have the the lowest rate for HIV/AIDS, right?  Lower than heterosexual women …. for whom rates are increasing yearly.

        4. It is bigotry hotshot…

          As for morality, that’s just your opinion… and won’t help you in court.

      2. I would say that you are a bigot for equating same sex marriage with interracial marriage.  Being gay is not being black.  

  13. Glad to see the morality in Maine starting to come around even with a largely democrat poll.Vote no in november

  14. Wow you would think that with all the door to door  knocking the homosexual marriage cult would have this in the box by now.   Hopefully Mainers will see this movement as a cult and ignore it like all cults out there

    1. Yeah I hate having those Mormons knocking on my door.  I wonder if Mitt ever went door to door peddling his religion?

    2. Since our country’s inception there have been groups that have seen the promise of our Constitution, and petitioned our society for equal rights, access to government, and legal protections. And all along the way there have been people predicting doom and gloom and national destruction if we extend these things to one more group, race, sex, or other minority.

      And every time they have failed, and every time our nation has failed to self-destruct. This is just the next way in which our constitution is fulfilling its promise to ALL Americans.

    3. Wow, a cult? SSM has been legal in other countries for many years. The homosexual movement has been fighting since the 1940’s. Perhaps you  should research. God Bless. 

  15. Is this the biggest issue this country has to face, same sex marriage… I have made a choice  to be hetrosexual.. Am I the only one who has made a sexual preference choice?..  

    1. Well someone seems to have missed the memo that according to the marriage is one man one woman folks homosexuality is a choice but heterosexuality is not.

      Might want to check the talking points in the future.

    2. Do you remember the month, day and year you made your choice?  What were the circumstances  …. did you go eeny meeny miney moe … or a pro/con list … or did you just look in the mirror one day and decide you would be attracted to the opposite sex?

    3. It is the biggest issue my household faces, for we need the important protections of civil marriage.

      Let us agree to treat all Mainers equally under the law, allow same-sex marriage, and move on!

    1.  Reading the story instead of just the headline would explain that.

      edited to note that pushy deleted the entirety of his comment that I was referring to and replaced it with the sneaky little innuendo game you now see.

    2. It’s all part of the vast left wing conspiracy! Huge, nefarious and undercover mission to present biased information and dupe voters! And it was working until YOU caught on!

  16. The BDN’s dog and pony show using Stone presenting polls from radical left wing biased sources and Eric who?’s graphics to present a picture of biased stats in favor of the radical left.  
    “THE PORTLAND BASED Maine People’s Resource Center — which is affiliated with the left-leaning Maine People’s Alliance, a statewide advocacy group — surveyed 856 registered Maine voters Sept. 15-17;”
    AFFILATED???  MPA says they are a SISTER organization. LEFT-LEANING? That would put them in the center leaning left. ABSOLUTELY NOT!! Go to their website. They are radical left liberal. Registered with what Party? If the calls were made in the Portland area you can take an educated guess at the majority in the area.
     
    The PORTLAND firm Critical Insights conducted a poll in JUNE NOT SEPTEMBER. 
     
    the MassINC Polling Group for the Boston public radio station WBUR
    The poll asked 506 likely voters about their preferences  
    HUH??? That’s reaching out for another liberal poll. Boston Public Radio?? This one is likely voters!! WHERE???.
    And oh yes. THIS ONE WAS CONDUCTED IN JUNE TOO!!!
     
    This is a blatant Liberal media’s attempt to skew referendum results BEFORE the vote.
     
    Didn’t see one commenter look into the article credibility. AND THAT’S WHAT THE BDN IS COUNTING ON. PEOPLE GIVING UP BECAUSE IT APPEARS, AS THEY INTEND, THAT THE NUMBERS ARE IN A MONTH AND A HALF BEFORE THE ISSUES AND CANDIDATES ARE VOTED ON.   

  17. Raye can’t get the Penguin’s stench off  of him.  Charlie Webster took Washington County R’s back behind the wood shed and Raye turned his back . I’m surprised this jack pot is getting any R funds for his campaign.

  18. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness folks if you want to marry a man, a women, a sock puppet or an 1981 honda civic you have the right to.

      1. But there is.  Just look south of us.  West of us.  East of us.  And north of us.  We are surrounded by the gay marry!

        1. Just look at slavery in Alabama, Georgia, and Louisiana, all of which had laws allowing slavery. Yet no one in those states ever had a right to own slaves. 

          Similarly, you will never have the right to be “married” to someone of the same sex no matter how many laws are passed.

          1. Militant homosexuals are demanding a right which cannot exist in the law.

            Worse, they are seeking to remove the concept of “mother” and “father” from the law.

            This will result in the eventual dissolution of the family and the collapse of our society, which was after all, the ultimate goal of the Father of the Gay Rights Movement, Harry Hay, who was  a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. 

          2. For something that cannot exist in the law, there sure are a lot of laws that are contingent on it.

            Over 1,100 benefits and privileges are extended by our government based on civil marriage. You can deny our humanity all you want, but our government should be treating us equally.

          3. The law would make it exist in the law.  That’s sort of how laws work.
            And now you raise one more red herring!  The hits keep coming!  Who said anything about removing “father” and “mother”??
            And you continue to perpetuate the weird idea that that we are bent on destroying America and making it into a Communist paradise.  The Cold War is over, brah.  False accusations of being a Communist don’t have the same impact anymore.

          4. So when grandparents raise children how do they answer the mother father dilemma in paper? The purpose of parent or guardian 1 and 2 has nothing to do with SSM, It is about people who are raising children that heterosexuals dont want. 

      2. Wrong little man.

        I see you’re here with your favorite obsession again… Thought of two hunks locked in man-love gets you all riled up, don’t it little man?

  19. If “they” want to be united fine BUT DON’T CALL IT MARRIAGE!  Come up with some other term like male or female bonding, or unification…………anything but marriage.  All the straight married couples should not be bunched with the immoral couples.

    1. You do know that not all straight couples agree with what you said and many that I know would love to see me marry my boyfriend.  It’s rather presumptuous of you to speak for them all.

    2. There is nothing immoral about two people blessed enough to find each other in this world, to form a committed, lifelong, supportive relationship with each other.

      If you want to call it something different, we should discuss eliminating civil marriage altogether from the law books, and create civil unions for everyone. That would fulfill our obligation to treat Mainers equally under our laws.

        1. The civil contract does.

          It’s only a perversion because that’s how you choose to view it.

          You’re a petty, sheltered little man.

          1. BWA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAA!!!! 

            So now you get to decide which laws are “valid” and which ones aren’t?

            Oh, please please please go out and let the cops know that laws don’t apply to you… please! Show them through bold and brave action that laws don’t apply to you because you don’t like them.

            Maine would be a better place.

    3. But it IS marriage… a civil contract.

      Nothing more.

      As for morality, sweetheart, that’s nothing but your opinion.

  20. Okay, so you do not deny that Harry Hay, “The Father of the Gay Rights Movement” was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party.

    By resorting to name calling, you are also admitting that you have lost the argument. 

      1. It’s all he ever does.

        He has no rational arguments, so he tries to use fear of things he doesn’t understand.

        Like why his willie stands up when he talks about gay folks… he doesn’t understand, so he’s afraid.

    1. You deny that the baptist minister who wrote the pledge of allegiance (with no mention of sky-daddies, btw) was a socialist.

      But WHO CARES?! It means nothing. There’s nothing in such a vacuous argument to be lost.

  21. Let’s again remember that at one time people were APPALLED at the thought of Blacks riding on the bus or eating in the same restaurants with white people.  GROW UP scaredy cats…it won’t bite you, you can’t catch it and it’s not a disease. 

    1. I think it is so funny how you choose to ignore the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Africa, where a vast majority of the people suffering are heterosexual and got the virus from either birth or heterosexual intercourse.  I guess, by your logic, that is a sign that heterosexuality is wrong…

    2. Please tell us what this has to do with marriage?

      The sad part is you don’t see how promoting marriage could stop this awful trend of irresponsible behavior… you’d rather see people hurt.

      And if you’re not sleeping around, why are you afraid of AIDS?

      Lastly little closeted peon, tell us where procreation is required in marriage? Where one must be married to “create new life”?

      Such hollow red-herring arguments are a sign that you really have nothing.

    3. There are people born with both sexes, there are people born with 2 sets of DNA.  Thankfully the state of Maine is getting smarter as polling shows more and more favorable toward gay marriage every year.

  22. God is against same sex couples, abortion and sleeping around.  If more people would follow the bible then all these stats would go down.  Vote NO!

  23. Would someone with the BDN please respond as to why there is a pie graph rating Lepage  in an article about the elections in November?  

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