Bill Rae knows a bit about panhandling.
He once was pretty good at it.
So when the executive director at Manna Ministries, who helps feed hundreds of needy people each night in the agency’s Bangor-based soup kitchen, passes by the panhandlers who hang out each day on Stillwater Avenue and near the Bangor Mall, he knows what answer he’s going to get when he offers them a hot meal and some help.
“They are not interested in a hot meal. They are not interested in food,” Rae said this week. “They want cash.”
Last week, he stopped to talk to a fellow with the “I’m homeless, please help” sign standing at the entrance of Walmart. Rae told the man that he would give him a ride to Manna to get some food and someone would give him a ride back.
“He tore up the brochure I handed him, told me to do something terribly obscene to my own mother and finally said, ‘Just leave us alone,’” Rae said.
Many of us have seen them. They are positioned in high-traffic areas, standing in medians, quietly and patiently holding their signs.
Last year I saw the same man nearly every day at his perch in the median at the I-95 exit ramp on Broadway.
Now there are many more and they are spread throughout the city.
Many of us are uncomfortable with them. Some of us feel guilty, some of us feel angry, some feel confused.
Bangor City Solicitor Norm Heitmann has begun researching other municipal ordinances and possible ordinance language that might curb this behavior, as some city councilors have expressed concerns and complaints and would like to try to find a legal way to get these panhandlers out of our sight.
You can take my word for it or not, but that ain’t gonna happen.
Unless the city of Bangor is legally craftier than, say, the state of Utah, the state of Michigan, the city of Phoenix, Ariz., the city of Chicago, the city of Detroit, the city of San Francisco, and the city of Seattle.
They’ve all tried it and every one of the ordinances and laws adopted have been overturned by federal courts based on the nagging First Amendment right to free speech.
At one recent Bangor meeting, Bangor police Sgt. Tom Reagan and Heitmann suggested the city might have more success pleading the safety issue.
“The concerns some councilors have expressed center on safety,” Heitmann said, providing examples of potential actions or situations arising from panhandling, such as a car getting rear-ended by another vehicle after slowing down or stopping for the driver to hand someone money.
Judges across the country seem to have seen through that argument. It doesn’t stand up in court.
The judges seem to know what the municipal leaders are really getting at, and that is exactly what Bangor City Councilor Pat Blanchette said most honestly.
“This is not an image I want to see Bangor have,” she said.
If Bangor does not already have it, what it can do is adopt an aggressive panhandler ordinance, which prevents anyone from begging within so many feet of an ATM, bus stop, or other public transit, pursuing someone after they’ve said no, touching or asking people who are waiting in line — in other words, a captive audience that can’t get away.
Aggressive panhandling ordinances have been widely adopted, are accepted by the American Civil Liberties Union and have not been successfully challenged in federal court.
However.
The men and women who stand in the medians on Stillwater Avenue with their “Homeless. Please Help” signs, would not qualify legally as aggressive panhandlers.
Does that mean all is lost?
It does not.
This issue is a perfect example of the community of Bangor and its neighbors stepping up to take care of a problem.
It is, of course, your decision. But make it an informed one. Should your heartstrings be tugged as you are waiting for that red light to turn green, perhaps instead of handing someone a few bucks, you zip down to the Bangor Homeless Shelter, or Manna or the Hope House, and drop off your donation there.
In Seattle they have started a “Have A Heart Give Smart” campaign to encourage residents, employees and visitors to the downtown to give their donation to a shelter or food bank rather than to a panhandler, suggesting that panhandlers are less apt to use your donation for food and shelter than for drugs or alcohol.
Bill Rae is sympathetic to the addicted and the homeless. He’s been both, and today he serves both, and he’s glad to do it.
“In 1968 and ’69 I was living in San Francisco with a bunch of others and we lived in a big old house and each morning we took off and went to different areas of the city and panhandled. We would come home at night and sometimes we would have as much as $600 or $700. It was lucrative as long as the people felt sorry for us. Us? We were having the time of our lives. A lot better than working.”
The city is not going to ordinance its way out of this issue.
If the panhandlers’ corner is no longer lucrative, they will move on.



How about a loitering ordinance?
Maybe we should investigate Bill He made %600 to $700 a day pan handling back in the 60s That would be like making $4,00 a day now what did he do with the money ? Drugs? That is as bad a stealing . Being a con man at the very least .
yeh the article pretty clearly states he was a pan handling drug addict but has changed and now is trying to help pull people out of that situtation.
How abut doing something to stop them from coming to Bangor in the first place. We have all these do gooders crying about the homeless but not one of them has ever taken one in. Try building another Hope House in their neighborhood and see what happens.They come here for all the freebees and the meth clinics. They want money to be able to support their drug habits. Maybe if Bangor wasn’t so welcoming for them they would go somewhere else. Funny to see someone “homeless” listening to his IPod or chatting on his cell phone. If everyone would ignore them, they’d might just go away.
They are not from elsewhere-majority are from Bangor. methadone clinics are everywhere (all states) as are homeless.
You know what’s funny, is we have people from out of state in maine to support the people coming from out of state. How is it when the economy was at it’s all time low and a couple years back the only person panhandling was the man standing by the broadway off ramp going south bound? Now all the sudden you have all these people working in shifts to get money because they are “homeless” or “traveling and broke.” This is completely and utterly disgusting. IF they were to put in half of the time in applying to jobs rather then standing there and trying to get our money WE earned by working 40 plus hours a week to pay our bills, they could have a job by now! You may laugh and say no way, but I drive all over the state on a weekly basis for my job and I always see “Now hiring!” signs at various fast food joints. These people are doing this because they are lazy and want to get that free buck, heck they could be some of the scum-bags that are breaking into peoples houses on a daily basis!? Homeless appears and crime rate is up.? hmmmm weird. Why don’t we all do them a favor and roll-up our windows and not give any of these people wearing Timberland boots, and toting Under Armor backpacks any money.
I would be more sympathetic to people if I didn’t know that my work was hiring entry level positions that just flat out cannot be filled.
Same problem where I work, we can’t find people to fill shift work with full benefits, it’s a rotating door of completely useless maroons. I don’t know what the answer is. I’m guessing that if we recruited right out of high school we could get good kids before they go to work for fast food companies, that’s all I got. BLEAK
I’ve worked as a staffing coordinator and you’re not lying.My favorite was a kid who came in and wanted M-T mothers hours(which we all want)He couldn’t work Fridays b/c he had probation/drug test.He couldn’t work weekends so he could be with his son(sure) and he could only work 9-3:30 due to the bus schedule.I had the bus schedules online so I knew that was a lie.FAIL.He was all of 19 with the backwards cap and tattoos everywhere.
Admittedly,to your point about shift work-is it rotating shifts?That is very difficult for most people.I did it for eight months until I took a job for less money but FAR better hours.
If people can’t find a job in six months, they don’t want one. Sometimes, if there’s no need for your field of expertise, you have to start at the bottom someplace else and work your way up again.
If a person is able bodied, not elderly or disabled, they should be cut off from all assistance after six months. People shouldn’t get anymore money if they have additional children while they’re on welfare, birth control is free, responsibility is free.
As for the low life parasites, it’s so simple that it’s ridiculous. If you start feeding a stray cat or dog, they will keep coming back. Except, I would have sympathy for a cat or dog.
i used to work in bangor and commute 120 miles each day…i made $9.50/hr at the casino but i stopped that.
I find it hard to believe that there are entry level jobs not being filled.What type of work is it?
I used to manage a convenience store. Trying to hire cashiers was no easy task. The only real qualifications are being able to do simple add/subtract math, and not be on drugs and not have a criminal record with theft, violent, or sex crimes.
I kid you not. In a week’s time I handed out 50 applications, I got six back, only one of which met my basic qualifications.
I’m not doubting that.It’s sad.Not sure how to fix it.I’ve seen some great young people who work hard,know how to speak like a human being and fill me with hope for the future.I’ve also seen older people who blame the world for their problems.SAD.
“begging within so many feet of a… bus stop, or other public transit … or asking people who are waiting in line”
this could work for Bangor. The BAT offers stops at most corners. As for people in line, how about cars in line at a light? Those would cover just about every intersection in town.
Technically the mall should be considered private property so mall security should enforce against panhandlers
the mall, yes. But the roads and medians are public property. Dont get me wrong, the panhandlers need to go, but Bangor needs to do this right, otherwise risk the wrath of the ACLU
from the other articles, watch em, and pick em up for littering….
i know its not illeagl for people to beg for money, but perhaps make it illegal for people to stop their cars in traffic to hand out money. it causes distractions to driving. i saw this happen on stillwater 2 weeks ago while I was leaving the bangor mall. 3 people were huddled together asking for cash and when the stoplight went green 3 cars stopped in front of me to hand money to the peoople.
They are unwilling to take any real help – a hot meal, perhaps even get them a hotel room for the night and maybe a new set a clothes – IDK if i was in that situation i’d gladly take that over any cash. But these people often want drugs, alcohol and other items that they can’t get and for the most part because they’re worthless pieces of trash that will do anything for those things.
Nobody’s a worthless piece of trash.A lot of these people make poor choices and that’s on them.Ask anyone who’s successfully completed a rehab program how an attitude like yours helps.Would you say the same thing to your golfing buddy if he said”I’ve been depressed and need to see someone about it?”Your statement speaks volumes.
really…then go to one of them and ask if they’d like a meal at the buffet at slots
Greater Boston (plus other places) tried a campaign to educate people to buy coupons for goods at area sandwich/pizza shops, etc. to hand out instead of money. What a flop! They’d throw them on the sidewalk or sell them for a buck to buy some rot gut. The litter got so bad the whole thing was abandoned.
its what people don’t understand about homeless people…if they are really in desperate need of a place to stay they would accept the bed for the night. if they really wanted food or needed a lift somewhere they’d take that. that’s why i’ll never give anyone any money again unless well of course they actually need it (my friends, co-workers, family). I was approached in line at the Zac Brown concert by a guy wanting 50 cents and asked everyone in the line. I didn’t even look at him and he stood there like i should give him something. Eventually he moved on. Not talking to these people also helps!
Years ago, a little old (off the wall) lady worked an area of Boston with the line ‘A dime for a cup of coffee?’ We used to laugh that coffee cost 75 cents at the time.
She was later killed by a taxi. When they were searching/cleaning out her little rented room, they found paper bags with $1.3 million! But she brought so much harmless color to the neighborhood that she was truly mourned! These days, it’s a different story.
Any family to get the money or did the State get it?
A State rep took a shine to her and got concerned for her health etc. giving him power of attorney.
About a year later she was killed, and when their arrangement came to light, there were investigations as to whether he had arranged to have the cab hit her. Nothing was proved, so the State got the money and he got the boot!
I beg to differ, I car pool and while I was waiting in a car one day after work for the driver to take care of some business I watched some panhandlers give up after the “after work” traffic died off and saw these poor homeless, starving people walk over to a better car than I own and drive off laughing counting their money.
You of course are allowed to go ahead and help enable them to continue this dishonest behavior.
People who are really hungry and homeless will graciously accept a sandwich or work and not tell people to have sex with themselves or mothers.
I enable nobody.Certainly there are some scam artists out there but that’s hardly the only human endeavor where such people exist(see Wall Street and insurance companies,for starters).My uncle(who suffered through the Depression) offered a coffee and a sandwich to those who asked for $$. Some said no,some others were extremely grateful for the gift.
I’m not accusing you of enabling anyone, but I’ve seen enough cheats and food in the ditches where they stood to not take them serious, but again if you choose to thats your choice.
I also had ancestors during the Great Depression who fed many a hungry families and took in children whose family couldn’t take care of them and the only difference was my grandparents always grew food for a crowd and not for just themselves and have the needy family help. He would not feed them if they didn’t help, he would let their young stay in his house but they too had to help in some way. People want hand outs they refuse to take care of themselves these days and standing with a sign is not helping themselves in my opinion.
i agree with you…there are a lot of people who enable this type of activity. if you are able bodied you should be able to find work. i agree there are a lot of scam-artist job agencies (@twitter-43453438:disqus AT WORK, MANPOWER) that even i’ve tried in my darkest hour (you have to pay them to train you for a job that doesn’t exist)… I was out of work for a year after I came back to Maine and have been working at a factory (a lot of people have misconceptions about that as well – I make $360/week and have full health insurance).
there are some jobs that I wouldn’t do – like fast food – mainly because I hate working with the general public but if you’re really desperate for money you’d do whatever you could for a job. there are exceptions including travel which is my biggest hindrance because I have graduated college but live in the middle of nowhere in Piscataquis County but the jobs I am educated to do are in bangor and travel is an issue. I used to work at the Casino for awhile and driving there just about took half of my paycheck.
The reality is though people who are “homeless” get by with their “disability” mainly because they make more money off of state programs including healthcare, welfare, foodstamps, and other programs in bangor. A lot of people will come on here and say that people need these programs and granted – there are some who actually do – but it has been proven and readily so that the vast majority of people on welfare, disability, SSI, and receive foodstamps and other care would rather be in that situation than to find work, and live with some sort of pride. Wouldn’t you?
I had the option to get welfare when I was out of work, but I have pride in myself not to accept help unless I absolutely needed it. Its one of the few respects I have in the world. Thanks mom and dad!
All right for you! Thank you Andy’s parents.
I don’t begrudge a person needing a little help for a little while.
I do agree there are people who would rather disable themselves then to have self-respect. I feel bad for them but I figure they are already living off my tax dollars and so I’ve done my share of charity, which should be tax deductable.
There are many legitimate charities to give money to if you want to help people who are truly in need. Why would people stop in the middle of traffic to give to those who are begging & risk causing an accident? If the people are really in that much need of shelter, food, clothing, etc. it is all available to them. So if they’re not using the available services, what is it they need cash for?
Brewer Wal Mart is hiring!
They’ve all tried it, and every one of the ordinances and laws adopted have been overturned by federal
courts based on the NAGGING First Amendment Right to Free Speech. THIS IS WHAT WAS WRITTEN MY RENEE ORDWAY IN THE ARTICLE ABOVE, WELL, I AM SORRY, BUT I FEEL THERE IS NOTHING NAGGING ABOUT FREE SPEECH. Do you know what you are writing Renee Ordway?? I do not think you do or are qualified to write here, NAGGING FREE SPEECH, well I am sorry, but, a lot of people died for free speech.
I believe that reference was what is known in the language arts community as “sarcasm”, pond. Do calm down.
I admit, her choice of words did rub me the wrong way. Sarcasm or not, that was not the best way to phrase it.
To Ben Hutchins, I must say, the last clean, pure, shining thing we have is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in this Country. The people who are now our leaders are so corrupt, so led by lobbyist, and greedy, and down right ignoring the We The People’s will, it is almost treasonable.
I cannot, and will not stand silent with the word NAGGING being used here.
Ironically, the First Amendment protects a person’s right to be sarcastic about the First Amendment. If it’s that sacred to you, then you’ve got no kick coming about Ms. Ordway’s phraseology. I mean, you can’t have it both ways. :)
(Besides, as I read it, it isn’t even sarcasm about the First Amendment itself, but about government figures finding it inconvenient because it blocks the simplest ways of banning panhandlers. It’s like making snarky references to that pesky dependence on oxygen we large mammals have.)
get a rid of em!
This is a business. I’ve seen it before. Different person different shift. They all work for someone.
I think I saw these guys standing in Ellsworth the other day! They must be making the rounds..lol Do not give pan handlers money! You are fueling their drug habit…give the money that you would have given them to the homeless shelter or food panty!
If they played a fiddle would it make you feel better?
Only if they played “The Devil Went Down to Georgia.” That always makes me feel better.
Give them “Welcome to Bangor” brochures to hand out to the tourists while they are begging!
The panhandlers could be displaced by hired sign holders promoting businesses. At the intersection of Stillwater Ave and the Home Depot access road, the Halloween Shop has a sign holder and the panhandlers are gone. Businesses and the city could co-operate in occupying these high visibility locations and force the panhandlers away.
At one of the big music festivals this year out West,they paid the panhandlers $20 a day to be living WiFi spots.
Notice in the headline that they need to be “curbed”as if they were dogs.
They are dogs!
my solution to this actually is not humorous as its going to sound – but we should have a volunteer service that goes around the city in passenger vans picking up street peddlers and taking them to the homeless shelter, hope house, or other place that helps the needy and drop them off there…or take them out of bangor
They do not want a ride.. They stay in a hotel. They want cash for drugs and booze. Their families will not give them a nickle, why should we…
Wow, you know a lot about these people.
Take ’em to Dysarts to the Greyhound station and give them a one way ticket to Boston.
There already is a van from one of the shelters that picks them up in the winter, it’s called streetlights or something like that. You could paint a vehicle similar and pick them up and then drop them off in T2R6, you would be providing an invaluable service to the community.
That was tried in Boston when it was below zero.A few morons wouldn’t take the ride,then at least one froze to death.
Maybe they should put a representative from the salvation army,dressed in the uniform and with the traditional bell to ring right beside the panhandlers….give them some honest competition! Which one would you give your money to? Put the panhandlers right out of business.
I have this memory of a man standing next to Texas Roadhouse at Christmas time last year, it was FREEZING. He had a ” please help sign ” as well as a guitar with a for sale sign on it. I felt really bad for him! I really think he really needed help. The ones I see now just irritate me- and I’ve given my share of money out to them in the past-stupidly- but not again. Thank you for bringing this to the public’s attention and keeping it there. The only way to stop them is to stop giving them cash.
That is a compelling story of someone who was truly in need. On the other end of the spectrum:
I usually just ignore them when I can, but one time at a light in a large intersection, we put the windows up and waved him on to another car. He got so upset that he climbed up and yelled through the open sunroof that he won’t be “dissed”! I remembered a cold chisel on the floor and had use it to fight him off my car! An extreme case that must’ve been from intoxicants.
I heard something interesting the other day, in a sermon on the radio. Everybody who has a job is literally working for food. There are jobs out there, therefore, quit telling me that you will work for food and actually get out there and do it!
Sure it’s easy. Let each of the bleeding heart liberals adopt one each.
They are 100% DRUG Addicts and Alcoholics…
Don’t give them A dime… That is why they do not want food…
Last year, I was staying in a great hotel near where 3 of them
were panhandling… I saw them in the street for 4 days… Then
one night when on the elevator, all 3 rode up the elevator with me…
they had 2 BAGS of BOOZE, and NO FOOD… I asked them
how much money they made that day, They would NOT answer…
They retained a good spot on a busy road because they took turns
asking for money… and then blow it all every night at a $110. dollar hotel,
with bags of booze and drugs… That’s where your $$$ dollars go…!!!
Too bad this post isn’t first above. It would receive a lot more Likes!
If I stood out with a sign stating I had a home, a job, and a car, That I only wanted ones to spend at the strip club, do you think I’d get a few?
What about adopting the laws said and enforcing laws already in place such as impeding the flow of traffic? Or what about a cop asking them to leave the median or sides of roads for safety reasons and if they fail to leave charging them with criminal mischief.
How about:
A) The City puts up professional looking road signs that say, “Please Don’t Feed The Bears” at all of the hot spots. Just like the National Park Service……
B) Organize legit organizations to beg right along side of them for a worthy cause.
If folks would stop feeding the birds-they might fly to someone else’s yard.
Here’s the solution: STOP giving them money!
The first thought in my head when I see one is “A fool and his money are soon parted.”
I once gave a man begging for food (note: food, not money) 2 sandwiches and a drink. I also gave him a referral to Manna.
Don’t be a sucker. These people know what they’re doing and furthermore, there is a myriad of services in this area. No one needs to panhandle.
They won’t even show thier faces, I bet that the two of them are not even homeless.
The last article on this subject showed a rather… BIG… man holding a sign panhandling and was shown on video getting money and stuffing it in his pocket. I saw this guy on the bus yesterday. He had with him a CELL PHONE… no doubt funded by his panhandling. I don’t believe he is homeless for a second if he carries a cell phone and a few other expensive looking things I saw him with. As far as panhandlers go, they aren’t looking for a meal or a place to stay. They just want cash and only cash… no doubt to support whatever drugs they decide to kill themselves with. Some are just too lazy to work or don’t even want to. You can’t just live on handouts and expect to get somewhere. About getting rid of panhandlers… well, I’ve heard stories about cities punishing the people who give panhandlers money. That would work to an extent because no one wants to be ticketed and fined a few hundred dollars for handing out a dollar or two. I agree that panhandling is a safety issue that must be addressed and taken care of. It’s nice the city is exploring options to take care of this issue.
ALL THIS ANGER toward panhandlers, many (most?) of whom are frauds, expressed so passionately in most of the coments below.
I see HARDLY ANYONE echoing Ordway’s suggestion to “zip down to the Bangor Homeless Shelter, or Manna or the Hope House, and drop off your donation there.”
“If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, ‘Go in peace. Keep warm and eat well,’ but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?” [James 2:15-16]
Pardon my contempt but hey people, get a life. Use your time and energy to DO something useful.
If it wasn’t lucrative, they wouldn’t do it. Maybe the IRS should send out a few field agents to see about recovering some of the taxes these people no doubt are not reporting while exercising their first amendment right of free speech.